**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 11 02:59:57 2009 Mar 11 03:19:21 SeligArkin: Thanks for the help. I think I found my problem listed here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/036358.html Mar 11 04:19:41 hows the fso-paroli os doing anybody have todays image installed Mar 11 04:30:15 ¬_¬ Mar 11 05:12:43 no rootfs Mar 11 05:12:51 no gui Mar 11 05:14:19 fyp3.01 next Mar 11 05:14:36 does it work dave? Mar 11 05:48:38 ooo nos Mar 11 05:50:24 Starting download: [######################################### ######## Mar 11 05:50:37 i hope thats not bad Mar 11 08:08:16 good morning Mar 11 08:15:58 'ning Mar 11 09:28:27 morning Mar 11 10:12:07 openmoko: 03werner * r4957 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/patches/ (4 files): Mar 11 10:12:07 openmoko: Patches to recover from Qi's denial of clock surprise attack. Mar 11 10:12:07 openmoko: Fixed a misnomer as well. Mar 11 10:46:01 openmoko: 03werner * r4958 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/patches/ (NOTES series use-camera-clock.patch): Bring it to state as posted. Mar 11 11:43:44 how is openmoko these days? Mar 11 12:07:51 matholio: busy with gta03, having all kinds of fun solving issues with gta02. Mar 11 12:13:38 anybody interested in a German (European) bulk order for https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=111 Mar 11 12:39:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode_.28aka_Y-Cable.29 Mar 11 12:58:22 DocScrutinizer, you have any idea how to tell the hg-fetcher not to try for mirror-fetching? Mar 11 13:19:29 nope, sorry Mar 11 13:23:27 Hi, I'd like to know wether it's a a known bug that it's impossible to get to the SMS maker thing in shr-unstable Mar 11 13:23:57 and also the sound doesn't seem to work while I'm calling (I can't hear whether my mums phone is ringing or not) Mar 11 13:27:37 Bert_2: Hi, I'd like to know wether it's a a known bug that it's impossible to get to the SMS maker thing in shr-unstable Mar 11 13:27:39 I had this problem too. I also had it with zhone & fyp then flashed om2008:12 to read messages Mar 11 13:27:46 then when I flashed fyp again sms maker worked. No idea why or if it is a registered bug Mar 11 13:28:45 anttna_: I use FSO on my NAND with zhone and that works fine Mar 11 13:29:04 here in SHR I can read the messages but I can't reply or write new ones Mar 11 13:33:37 fyp is nand too Mar 11 13:33:43 if that helps Mar 11 13:34:04 I tried Fyp on my SD card Mar 11 13:34:13 (I'd like to keep FSO on NAND as a backup) Mar 11 13:34:34 on my system fyp had problems with my GSM (it didn't find it) Mar 11 13:34:45 (GSM meaning the modem) Mar 11 14:06:19 * SeligArkin looks arond Mar 11 14:07:30 *look at SeligArkin* Mar 11 14:07:46 * SeligArkin throws a ball of bacon at Bert_2 Mar 11 14:08:26 * Bert_2 eats bacon Mar 11 14:17:57 :) Mar 11 14:33:06 hello! anyone have success with MOKO11 GSM flash? Mar 11 14:33:15 Info! Mar 11 14:33:29 and yes, a couple who have tried here reported success :) Mar 11 14:34:26 with the dd command... do you change the name on output, or leave as-is Mar 11 14:34:28 dd if=flash-moko11-2.image of=/dev/sdb1 Mar 11 14:34:30 I've done three so far. Only one to go, but I don't remember which GTA0x it is that still needs flashing... Mar 11 14:34:49 Infoport: change it to your sd card! _not_ a partition on the sd... Mar 11 14:35:18 Infoport: there is a README.txt that explains the process. Mar 11 14:35:25 oh ok...I'll give it another try Mar 11 14:36:06 where is the README.txt? I found two identical explanations, in Community and GSM Flashing (both wiki) but neither gave cut-n-paste type detail Mar 11 14:36:27 Infoport: flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz in that tarball Mar 11 14:36:36 Infoport: there's the .image and the readme. Mar 11 14:38:03 thanks!! I didn't notice the readme file, b/c I extracted it into a directory that already had files Mar 11 14:40:04 hehehe, I guess the wiki also says to untar to the *device*, but it really helps to have been given an example as the README does Mar 11 14:41:38 Info :P Mar 11 14:41:42 yep! Mar 11 14:41:53 pester Zorkman if need be ;) Mar 11 14:43:18 Infoport: i did Mar 11 14:43:37 i just followed the readme Mar 11 14:43:52 dd'd it to my microsd card and everything went fine Mar 11 14:44:19 ItA BACON!1!1111onenoneoneoneone Mar 11 14:44:37 mmmmm bacon Mar 11 14:44:45 you have some eggs to go with that SeligArkin? Mar 11 14:44:53 Zorkman: nope Mar 11 14:44:53 it looks better now, seems to be doing something Mar 11 14:45:33 i got some error message about btusb and hci usb failing but you can just ignore them Mar 11 14:52:02 does the GSM update finish with text in lime-green and white? I cant tell if it says D_o_n_e above the Angstrom logo Mar 11 14:52:40 iirc there is green text when it's finished. Mar 11 14:53:45 they should really RECONSIDER that text.white text on a green background it hard toread Mar 11 14:54:58 Infoport: yes that is correct Mar 11 14:55:19 Infoport: remove batt and reboot, everything went well Mar 11 14:55:44 got to run now Mar 11 14:55:46 bye Mar 11 14:57:37 Zorkman: mind returning thismovie forme? Mar 11 15:20:54 green means "done". no need to read actual writing Mar 11 15:21:24 very, um, "windows-like". :p :-D Mar 11 15:21:34 maybe I should reword that a little Mar 11 15:22:51 well it's a quick&dirty beta approach anyway. And I didn't find any decent fontsize for console Mar 11 15:22:56 How's things, DocScrutinizer? Any new projects come your way yet? Mar 11 15:23:10 is there a gui on fso for WLAN? Mar 11 15:23:36 alsa still on todo list. Mar 11 15:23:44 morricone: fso distro or fso reference implementation? Mar 11 15:23:47 ~_~ Mar 11 15:23:48 STOP DOING THAT! Mar 11 15:24:37 lindi-, dist, milestone 5 Mar 11 15:25:04 decent uSdImage also pending Mar 11 15:25:24 hot Mar 11 15:25:40 morricone: no idea about the dist Mar 11 15:25:58 morricone: debian dist has plenty of wlan UIs already not specific to freerunner :) Mar 11 15:29:23 theres a working wifi gui on fyp 3.01 Mar 11 15:44:05 what's happn slaxxin? Mar 11 15:44:16 Heinervdm: Any ideas what to do with opkg.org..? Mar 11 15:44:36 or anyone else..? Mar 11 15:45:00 did something happen after the post on the mailinglist? Mar 11 15:46:04 Some packages have been fixed but many still fail, I think because opkg.org code.. maybe.. I don't think anything changed there. Mar 11 15:47:35 someone mentioned dpkg-scanpackages last time Mar 11 15:47:54 i think that tool would be the best to use Mar 11 15:49:08 slackpkg Mar 11 15:49:10 dpkg \o/ Mar 11 15:49:11 :) Mar 11 15:49:16 slaxpkg? Mar 11 15:49:36 MokoDave wats up? Mar 11 15:50:28 dpkg-scanpackages works fine with opk and ipk packages Mar 11 15:50:55 :D Mar 11 15:53:22 Tips for a place to easily set up a mailing list? Google requires gmail account to join?! Mar 11 15:53:42 maybe that these files comes from everywhere, instead of from a single server Mar 11 15:53:59 could that be the cause?? Mar 11 15:54:05 slaxxin: ~they aren't, they're copied to opkg.org Mar 11 15:54:11 oo Mar 11 15:54:17 The problem is with the opkg.org repsitory Mar 11 15:54:26 kill it Mar 11 15:54:47 rhkfin: did you have debian an tried dpkg-scanpackages? Mar 11 15:54:51 repository sounds like a better idea than isntalling packages with urls.. Mar 11 15:54:54 Heinervdm: nope.. Mar 11 15:55:18 i try it Mar 11 15:55:41 nice! Mar 11 15:56:10 If tobias can't help I think we'll need to ask for him to give access to the server or create a temp/mirror repository.. Mar 11 15:56:38 tobias/opkg.org Mar 11 15:57:44 too much alfa software Mar 11 15:58:39 slaxxin: yes/no.. There are many apps that are nice to demonstrate the capabilities of FR.. Mar 11 16:10:33 dpkg-scanpackages: command not found Mar 11 16:10:56 operator malfunction probly Mar 11 16:12:00 slaxxin: its in dpkg-dev package Mar 11 16:20:10 Can someone suggest a root/kernel image that works on GTA01 ? Mar 11 16:20:56 my old GTA01 has been running QT, but since they discontinued it and I need to get pand on it for some testing, I thought I'd toss on a current FSO image. Mistake; doesn't finish booting. Mar 11 16:21:57 hi, how can i run application on my laptop with displaying it on Freeruners display? I tried it according to wiki, but there is something wrong and i do not know how to figure out what is wrong. Mar 11 16:24:20 so i had logged on freeruner "ssh root@192.168.0.202", runned "xhost +" on it, and then i tried "DISPLAY=192.168.0.202:0 tangogps" on my desktop, but i was not able to connect on X Server (the message was something like there is no display) Mar 11 16:25:31 joejoe: what does 'xhost' on the FR say? Mar 11 16:25:50 root@om-gta02:~# xhost + Mar 11 16:25:50 access control disabled, clients can connect from any host Mar 11 16:26:39 and the message on my laptop was: $ DISPLAY=192.168.0.202:0 tangogps Mar 11 16:26:39 (tangogps:5937): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: 192.168.0.202:0 Mar 11 16:26:57 ah right. that's probably because the xserver on the FR isn't listening on the network. Mar 11 16:27:17 so where i should start in /etc/X11 ? Mar 11 16:29:03 gmaxwell_: SHR works on GTA01 Mar 11 16:29:34 joejoe: i'd use sshs X11Forwarding Mar 11 16:29:42 * DocScrutinizer ordered 3pcs 5pol-extension ;-) Mar 11 16:32:42 i have right now found "-nolisten tcp" in /etc/X11/Xserver Mar 11 16:32:47 PaulFert`, Thank you! Mar 11 16:33:25 joejoe: yes, but there's a reason 'nolisten' is the default... Mar 11 16:33:42 gmaxwell_: Do not think it's as "polished" and "end-user friendly" as qtopia, but it has a great potential. Mar 11 16:34:10 joejoe: it's unencrypted, almost no authentication available and generally considered insecure. Mar 11 16:34:16 joejoe: why not just use ssh? Mar 11 16:34:29 because it is not working Mar 11 16:34:38 works fine here... Mar 11 16:34:45 PaulFert`, Frankly I don't care how well it works. I need something with a working kernel, working bluetooth, and working alsa. (using the GTA01 as a second endpoint for some voice over bluetooth walkey talky stuff :)) Mar 11 16:35:38 $ ssh root@192.168.0.202 Mar 11 16:35:38 root@192.168.0.202's password: Mar 11 16:35:38 root@om-gta02:~# ssh -X imlich@192.168.0.200 Mar 11 16:35:38 WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-X' Mar 11 16:35:38 Host '192.168.0.200' is not in the trusted hosts file. Mar 11 16:35:39 (fingerprint md5 d4:8f:ff:0a:ee:6e:10:4a:cd:f8:22:c6:b4:fa:ac:c0) Mar 11 16:35:41 Do you want to continue connecting? (y/n) y Mar 11 16:35:43 imlich@192.168.0.200's password: Mar 11 16:35:45 imlich@192.168.0.200's password: Mar 11 16:35:47 Linux imlich-laptop 2.6.28-8-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Thu Mar 5 21:49:36 UTC 2009 i686 Mar 11 16:35:49 The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software; Mar 11 16:35:53 the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the Mar 11 16:35:55 individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. Mar 11 16:35:57 Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by Mar 11 16:35:59 applicable law. Mar 11 16:36:01 To access official Ubuntu documentation, please visit: Mar 11 16:36:03 http://help.ubuntu.com/ Mar 11 16:36:05 *** System restart required *** Mar 11 16:36:07 Last login: Tue Mar 3 19:41:14 2009 from brokenmoko Mar 11 16:36:09 imlich@imlich-laptop:~$ tangogps Mar 11 16:36:11 (tangogps:6706): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: Mar 11 16:36:13 imlich@imlich-laptop:~$ Mar 11 16:36:15 i do not know i see "ignoring -X" Mar 11 16:36:31 joejoe: 'WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-X''? Mar 11 16:36:38 joejoe: wtf? would you PLEASE NEVER DO THAT AGAIN!? Mar 11 16:36:48 joejoe: that's what pastebins are for! Mar 11 16:36:50 :D Mar 11 16:37:28 sorry, did not know better way, i will use pastebin nexttime Mar 11 16:38:28 joejoe: ah, your 'ssh' is probably 'dbclient', a small ssh client from the package dropbear. Mar 11 16:38:39 yep Mar 11 16:38:43 thats correct Mar 11 16:38:43 gmaxwell_: i don't own a GTA01, so i can't really say if any reasonably recent kernel works :( It's supposed to work, some people use it, but some users (who can't say what exactly is wrong) has troubles. So it can be possible you'll be stuck with .24 on GTA01 unless you compile something yourself and be prepared to debug a little (that's a guess). Mar 11 16:39:15 joejoe: 1. place "DISPLAY=:0.0" before your ssh command 2. dbclient doesn't know Xforwarding. you probably need openssh for that. Mar 11 16:39:22 joejoe: I'd think you need to use this ssh command at your PC, not at FR ;-) Mar 11 16:39:41 gmaxwell_: also if you plan to use SCO profile be prepared that it's routed to PCM interface by default and some cool trick is needed to switch it to usb (HCI). Mar 11 16:40:10 Hi, I'd like to know wether it's a a known bug that it's impossible to get to the SMS maker thing in shr-unstable Mar 11 16:40:13 and also the sound doesn't seem to work while I'm calling (I can't hear whether my mums phone is ringing or not) Mar 11 16:40:15 PaulFert`, Well, I can debug, but I'd rather work on other things. .24 should be fine. I'll see. Mar 11 16:40:34 PaulFert`, I'm not using bluetooth audio. So all is good. I'm using bluetooth to carry datagrams. Mar 11 16:41:18 [2009-03-11 17:35:38] $ ssh root@192.168.0.202 Mar 11 16:41:24 [2009-03-11 17:35:38] root@om-gta02:~# ssh -X imlich@192.168.0.200 Mar 11 16:41:47 this doesn't look to me like making much sense Mar 11 16:43:30 DocScrutinizer: it's for showing an app that's running on the host on the fr Mar 11 16:44:03 yeah that'S what it looks like Mar 11 16:46:35 okay, thank you guys, i have installed openssh-ssh package and it works right now Mar 11 16:47:15 :) Mar 11 17:02:38 Hi, I'd like to know wether it's a a known bug that it's impossible to get to the SMS maker thing in shr-unstable Mar 11 17:02:39 and also the sound doesn't seem to work while I'm calling (I can't hear whether my mums phone is ringing or not) Mar 11 17:03:17 Bert_2: "unstable" Mar 11 17:03:19 Bert_2: reinstall alsa states, probably you messed them somehow Mar 11 17:04:57 henk: I know, but I just want to know whether I did something wrong or not Mar 11 17:05:11 PaulFert`: that'll fix the sound, right ? Mar 11 17:05:19 PaulFert`: how about the SMS stuff ? Mar 11 17:05:33 Bert_2: i can't see how can the sound not work when you have the right alsa state files. Mar 11 17:06:03 Bert_2: as to the SMS, you don't post a single error message, how can anyone guess what's going wrong? Mar 11 17:07:17 PaulFert`: it gives me the usual error message that it sigfaulted, what button do I have to press to get more info then ? Mar 11 17:07:34 Bert_2: start it from the terminal and pastebin the backtrace? Mar 11 17:07:39 bert did u reboot? Mar 11 17:08:03 Bert_2: btw, can you try to move/remove your sqlite database with the messages (is there any in SHR?)? Mar 11 17:08:07 slaxxin: I'm booting into SHR now to have a look at that stuff now, just waiting for the auth to come up Mar 11 17:08:54 Bert_2: no, really. If the application segfaults, you're supposed to show the backtrace. Mar 11 17:09:23 Bert_2: and don't forget that all elementary apps segfault when DISPLAY is unset. Mar 11 17:09:32 (that's ok, will be fixed upstream later) Mar 11 17:11:22 PaulFert`: as you can see here: http://pastebin.ca/1358309 there's no extra info, it just segfaults Mar 11 17:12:48 Bert_2: no backtrace == i have nothing to say Mar 11 17:13:43 PaulFert`: got any idea how to get more info ? Mar 11 17:14:34 Bert_2: imho the best you can do here is provide SHR devs with backtrace Mar 11 17:15:20 well - best is a patch. But... Mar 11 17:15:55 PaulFert`: how can I get a backtrace, in /var/log/ there's nothing useful, and if I call it from a terminal is just segfaults without any extra info Mar 11 17:16:40 Bert_2: ensure that your DISPLAY is set properly. Then do "gdb `which openmoko-messages`". Then "run". Then after it segfaults "bt full". Mar 11 17:17:21 Bert_2: does openmoko-messages use a DB for storing messages? If yes, try to remove it. Mar 11 17:17:35 Bert_2: if you don't want to help to debug the problem, of course. Mar 11 17:17:56 PaulFert`: of course I want to help debug the problem Mar 11 17:18:13 Bert_2: then please provide the backtrace as suggested :) Mar 11 17:18:26 gdb command not found :s Mar 11 17:18:45 PaulFert`: is it possible that I don't have the command Mar 11 17:18:54 . o O (also, you could try moving the dir/file instead of remove, so you can put it back later) Mar 11 17:19:08 Bert_2: it is. opkg install gdb should help Mar 11 17:19:29 PaulFert`: and what does that app do ? Mar 11 17:19:35 Bert_2: gdb? Mar 11 17:19:45 PaulFert`: yes Mar 11 17:19:52 Bert_2: GNU Debugger Mar 11 17:20:01 Bert_2: helps to debug obviously Mar 11 17:20:48 mrmoku`: ping. Do you think it's worth trying for an end-user to help to debug segfault in openmoko-messages? Mar 11 17:22:43 PaulFert`: gdb 'which openmoko-messages' was it, right ? Mar 11 17:22:58 Bert_2: no, it should be backticks Mar 11 17:23:33 okey, and then ? Mar 11 17:24:02 Bert_2: after you run gdb, you have gdb prompt. In that enter "run" and press enter. Mar 11 17:24:02 PaulFert`: and then ? Mar 11 17:24:04 Bert_2: irc != verbal conversation. you can scroll up! Mar 11 17:24:40 well, obviously _you_ can't, but theoretically your irc client has the possibility... Mar 11 17:24:42 henk: do you know how to use OE debug packages btw? Mar 11 17:24:43 henk: I did scroll up but I tought he mistyped something because if I do run it errors Mar 11 17:24:53 PaulFert`: nope Mar 11 17:24:54 Bert_2: show the output Mar 11 17:25:07 PaulFert`: Ne executable file specified. Mar 11 17:25:12 henk: because i've never needed to use external symbols files. Mar 11 17:25:21 PaulFert`: me neither... Mar 11 17:25:23 Bert_2: what does "which openmoko-messages" say? Mar 11 17:25:25 Use the "file" or "exec-file" command Mar 11 17:26:21 PaulFert`: undefined command: "which". Try "help". Mar 11 17:26:31 Bert_2: not inside GDB Mar 11 17:26:55 ow woops Mar 11 17:27:13 Bert_2: right... very sensible... Mar 11 17:27:17 * henk shakes his head Mar 11 17:28:05 PaulFert`: it return /usr/bin/openmoko-message Mar 11 17:28:28 Bert_2: then i see no reason why gdb `which openmoko-message` can not work. Mar 11 17:28:34 layer 8 Mar 11 17:28:49 PaulFert`: and if I say in gdb "exec-file openmoko-messages" and then type run it seems to start debugging Mar 11 17:29:17 Bert_2: ok, if you want it that way... Have you ensured your DISPLAY set properly? Mar 11 17:29:36 PaulFert`: I'm doing it right on the moko so I don't have to Mar 11 17:29:39 Bert_2: it'd probably have started as well if you had done what PaulFert` told you... Mar 11 17:29:44 Bert_2: ok, that's good enough. Mar 11 17:29:50 Bert_2: did it segfault? Mar 11 17:30:40 it says a lot of times (no debugging symbols found) and then asks whether I want to continue or not Mar 11 17:30:46 I guess I want to continue, right ? Mar 11 17:30:49 Bert_2: yes Mar 11 17:31:21 this time there was some info about GSM mode checking, ignore it and continue ? Mar 11 17:31:36 Bert_2: yes, continue until it segfaults. Mar 11 17:32:15 the app came up now, should I do the opperation that makes it segfault ? Mar 11 17:32:23 Bert_2: yes Mar 11 17:32:57 after the operation gdb seems to make it hang Mar 11 17:33:06 bert bert bert Mar 11 17:33:21 I get some info about functions that are called Mar 11 17:33:21 Bert_2: that's ok. Do "bt full" and pastebin the relevant output. Mar 11 17:33:28 but none seem disturbing Mar 11 17:33:50 it still asks to press return to continue Mar 11 17:33:55 continue or quit ? Mar 11 17:34:08 Bert_2: continue Mar 11 17:40:50 rooly! Mar 11 17:41:00 yo yo Mar 11 17:41:35 \o/ Mar 11 17:41:36 * rooly asks dave what's up Mar 11 17:41:45 just workin' hard :P Mar 11 17:41:57 good for you Mar 11 17:42:01 i have a date tonight Mar 11 17:42:08 ooh Mar 11 17:42:16 anything good? Mar 11 17:42:24 quite Mar 11 17:42:31 anyone I know? :P Mar 11 17:42:40 gimme 5 minutes to watch wozniak make a fool of himself, and then i'll show you a picture Mar 11 17:42:42 PaulFert`: http://pastebin.ca/1358335 Mar 11 17:42:47 hah, okay :) Mar 11 17:43:05 PaulFert`: that's the full report Mar 11 17:44:27 Bert_2: Probably that'll be enough for the SHR devs to debug the issue. Can you describe in detail what you do to trigger it? Mar 11 17:45:06 Bert_2: Also, are sure you're fully updated/upgraded? Mar 11 17:45:48 PaulFert`: I can start the messages app, I can view text messages and delete them but as soon as I try to compose a new one or answer a message the app segfaults, also trying to sms someone from my contacts segfaults Mar 11 17:46:10 Bert_2: ok, good description. Give me a minute. Mar 11 17:46:44 PaulFert`: I upgraded a few hours ago and I'm checked again a minute ago and there seem to be no new updates (don't forget I'm running unstable and not testing) Mar 11 17:50:44 Bert_2: ok, this is comfirmed to be a know bug in the shr-unstable, related to the usage of new revision of EFL. It was announced on the mailing list and investigation is ongoing. Mar 11 17:50:58 Bert_2: thanks for your patience. Mar 11 17:51:16 PaulFert`: okey cool, I tried searching for bugs but I couldn't find a bug tracker, is it private ? Mar 11 17:51:56 Bert_2: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/report Mar 11 17:52:23 PaulFert`: ow, are those odd tickets bugs :S Mar 11 17:52:31 [SHR] why is /dev/mmcblk0p2 mounted on /media/mmcblk0p2? nothing about it in /etc/fstab. just installed and rebooted SHR-Testing... Mar 11 17:52:37 DaveMoko: here ya go: http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1292/215/108/1545750073/n1545750073_30089449_3546.jpg Mar 11 17:53:07 * DocScrutinizer screams and swears. Stupidity everywhere. Scientific TV-mag: "these computers need as much energy as a atomic plant can produce PER YEAR" Mar 11 17:53:16 Bert_2: I'm not sure what the state this bugtracker is in. But anyway there was an announcement of your particular problem at the shr mailing list. Mar 11 17:53:35 what computers, DocScrutinizer? Mar 11 17:53:37 DocScrutinizer: rofl, which one? which station? Mar 11 17:53:50 3sat, nano Mar 11 17:53:54 maybe a plant of atomic size... Mar 11 17:54:20 PaulFert`: okey, that's good news I guess, now I just have to find out how long it will take before they release a new version of shr-unstable or when they will upload a fixed package Mar 11 17:54:25 nah, power != energy Mar 11 17:54:35 Exactly Mar 11 17:54:59 energy = power * time Mar 11 17:55:30 DocScrutinizer: looks like journalists all over the world don't try to understand anything even at school. Mar 11 17:55:40 yup Mar 11 17:56:11 but for a SCIENTIFIC MAG i'd expect a higher standard Mar 11 17:58:45 rooly: (which computers) whole internet infrastructure Mar 11 17:59:27 so...okay... Mar 11 17:59:31 incl server farms Mar 11 17:59:54 yo Mar 11 18:00:38 rooly, good luck man :) Mar 11 18:00:59 anyway if you replace s/per year/per minute/ nothing will change, the statement doesn't take this time value Mar 11 18:03:40 Bert_2: at least now you know how to produce a backtrace (btw, if you want it to have even more info, just opkg install libframworkd-phonegui-efl-dev or whatever package you want to debug (with -dev suffix)). :) Mar 11 18:04:33 PaulFert`: okey, thanks Mar 11 18:04:52 PaulFert`: if I ever start doing compile-able languages I can atleast debug them :p Mar 11 18:13:56 i am thinking, that i found and repaired bug in tangogps Mar 11 18:14:13 is here someone who have problems with unstability of 0.96? Mar 11 18:14:28 so any tester? Mar 11 18:16:50 couldnt change the maps to /media/card Mar 11 18:17:23 it is what shr testing has -correct? Mar 11 18:17:35 slaxxin, that bug exists since at least 0.9.5 Mar 11 18:17:42 ok Mar 11 18:17:53 rooly: I'm more interested in wozniak making a fool ;-) Mar 11 18:17:59 lol Mar 11 18:19:09 rooly: of course that's not been any statement about your GF in spe :D Mar 11 18:19:41 :D Mar 11 18:20:08 teletubbie going mad in a gay pride parade." Mar 11 18:20:12 yikes Mar 11 18:20:12 damn fool Mar 11 18:20:55 watch out be careful Mar 11 18:24:15 I'm trying to install knjmokowifi (on FSO m. 5) using the knjrepositiry, but apparently php526 isn't available from that repository? Mar 11 18:25:36 Yay! My phone shiped today Mar 11 18:27:05 SeligArkin: Wow Mar 11 18:27:16 SeligArkin: what are you going to do with it first? Mar 11 18:27:37 PaulFert`: don't know yet. :P Mar 11 18:27:40 * mwester suggests to throw it out the window after stomping on it, just to save time. Mar 11 18:28:38 \o/ Mar 11 18:28:42 ROBOTS Mar 11 18:28:59 SeligArkin: i'd suggest upgrade GSM firmware ;) Mar 11 18:32:15 PaulFert`: I am going tosee if it works with my sim card beforeI do anythinglike that, because I am parinoid about stuff like that. :P Mar 11 18:32:54 SeligArkin: you can't brick GSM modem AND moko11 fixes 2 quite nasty bugs, so i recommend to do it anyway. Mar 11 18:33:25 I see Mar 11 18:34:51 and I think I locked up thunderbird Mar 11 18:35:22 you can't brick the modem? Mar 11 18:35:35 I thought that you could in principle stomp the bootloader Mar 11 18:35:45 OR CAN YOU!? Mar 11 18:36:05 SpeedEvil: you can't stomp the ROM bootloader. Mar 11 18:36:21 paulproteus: :) Mar 11 18:36:27 SpeedEvil: i'm not Mar 11 18:36:45 I'm scheduled to get it the 13th Mar 11 18:37:00 "can't" sounds like a challenge! Mar 11 18:37:09 yeah Mar 11 18:37:11 :P Mar 11 18:37:28 SpeedEvil: as i've already said numerous times, a dedicated person can render his gsm modem unusable by damaging the calibration data. But simple typo is really not enough for that. Mar 11 18:37:54 PaulFert`: k - I've managed to miss that I think every time you've said it. Mar 11 18:38:06 * SpeedEvil tattoos it on his left earlobe. Mar 11 18:39:03 Awww why are they uding ground shiping? I am only 300 miles away! Mar 11 18:39:04 SpeedEvil: but it won't be bricked even after that, technically speaking ;) ROM bootloader RULES :) Mar 11 18:39:13 They should just parachute it out of a plane! Mar 11 18:39:27 PaulFert`: indeed - I'm liking the stm32 - RS232 ROM bootloader. Mar 11 18:40:05 PaulFert`: how about making it possible to backup the data? Mar 11 18:40:37 :P Mar 11 18:40:58 SpeedEvil: For that you can use JTAG as well. But LPC2xxx has it too, and AT89C51 and many others :) But if you're a developer, you've SPI or JTAG programmer anyway :) Still being able to flash via UART is cool, i agree :) Mar 11 18:41:03 lindi-: it is possible. Mar 11 18:41:56 lindi-: but i wouldn't suggest to publish any instructions, because it will be misinterperted and used to damage the data instead ;) Mar 11 18:42:26 * SpeedEvil wants a phone set to 47W output. Mar 11 18:42:44 :O Mar 11 18:42:53 Does not phonepute! Mar 11 18:43:42 I want a tazer phone Mar 11 18:43:51 :D Mar 11 18:43:54 like mike made on burn notice Mar 11 18:44:06 or from bond Mar 11 18:44:17 indeed Mar 11 18:44:21 that would be epic Mar 11 18:44:28 easy too Mar 11 18:44:41 someone needs tomod the openmoko that way and publish an idiots instructions NAO Mar 11 18:44:44 I wonder if it would be better at making phone calls than the freerunner :p Mar 11 18:45:01 :P Mar 11 18:45:10 Sadly, this is likely. Mar 11 18:45:31 eep Mar 11 18:46:16 how hard is it to type on the moko? Mar 11 18:47:10 easy. Mar 11 18:47:18 I can get 100wpm on the GTA01 Mar 11 18:47:26 if I use it to prop up my keyboard. Mar 11 18:47:42 I see... Mar 11 18:47:50 Really, the best I've gotten on the on-screen keyboard (some time ago) was about 20wpm Mar 11 18:47:56 but that's on a very old keyboard Mar 11 18:48:20 * mwester uses his gta01 as a dual-function device. Mar 11 18:49:06 http://www.tesco.com/superstore/product/promo.aspx?prodId=56082421 Mar 11 18:49:08 oops Mar 11 18:49:49 Not logged in... Mar 11 19:06:37 i would think , after building/having an application like zhone-- someone would have implemented a caller log/something to zhone what happened? Mar 11 19:21:09 did i miss it? Mar 11 19:25:22 slaxxin: zhone is a testing app for testing frameworkd. Mar 11 19:28:40 moin moin, my company is developing a mobile application and I want to make sure we work on OpenMoko Mar 11 19:29:12 :/ Mar 11 19:29:21 the java page makes it seem like j2me isn't yet available for OpenMoko Mar 11 19:29:26 What's it written in? Mar 11 19:29:35 j2me thus far Mar 11 19:29:38 xHans: no, it's available. With jalimo, iirc. Mar 11 19:29:43 SpeedEvil: this afternoon a huge silverish white object moved up the sky and vanished in the clouds some distance from my flat ;-) Mar 11 19:29:53 PaulFert`: cool Mar 11 19:32:48 SpeedEvil: which is quite strange as airport is some 3km away Mar 11 19:33:25 was it full of space aliens, or was it in fact just an ordinary object that some might be unable to identify ;) Mar 11 19:34:04 (here in the US we can tell the difference quite easily; the REAL flying saucers only appear to people with few teeth driving beat-up old pickup trucks down dark country roads. Mar 11 19:34:05 ) Mar 11 19:34:32 hm... jalimo isn't 1:1 if compare to j2me as I know Mar 11 19:34:39 xHans, I suggest you to test it Mar 11 19:35:09 max_posedon: don't worry, we'll test :) Mar 11 19:37:28 xHans: anyway, OM users strongly prefer native applications ;) Mar 11 19:39:08 mokoapps Mar 11 19:42:47 PaulFert`: yeah, but it's easier for me to sell a port than building a new application :) Mar 11 19:43:08 but, since we're talking about it, what's the native stack based on? Mar 11 19:44:35 xHans: if you're talking about generic GUI development, then you can use almost any gui toolkit you like. EFL and elementary is all fancy now, but you can as well choose Gtk, Qt, wxWidgets, FLTK etc ;) Just make sure it's already in OE. Mar 11 19:45:13 PaulFert`: OK, danke Mar 11 19:46:21 xHans: in general, if you can start your j2me app on a PC using only free software, it should be somehow possible to start it on freerunner too. Except if some arm-specific error creeps in. ;) Mar 11 19:46:43 PaulFert`: excellent Mar 11 19:47:24 xHans: after all freerunner is just a small arm computer. Many people run Debian on it. Mar 11 19:47:25 our app is based on a Free Software application and our goal is for it to remain Free Software Mar 11 19:48:12 xHans: cool :) Mar 11 19:48:19 In practice, I don't think any of the existing stacks really support java. Mar 11 19:51:01 SpeedEvil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java#Status_on_Openmoko looks promising Mar 11 19:52:03 promising, yes. Mar 11 20:05:24 Mar 11 20:05:02 om-gta02 user.warn 2009.03.11 20:05:02 frameworkd.resource WARNING Can't register resource GSM since ousaged is not present. Enabling device Mar 11 20:05:41 is that meaningful wrt to me getting a ppp connection? Mar 11 20:07:38 yea fyp-debian leaves me with about 50 megs left an no media player by default Mar 11 20:08:56 as long as i have a good 8 gig+ micro card it works Mar 11 20:15:56 http://slexy.org/view/s2cmN4lG3Z Mar 11 20:16:22 trying to figure out what's going wrong there. Mar 11 20:17:10 there's got data from child: 'ppp error: "TypeError: \'NoneType\' object is not callable\\n"\nppp output: \'Connect script failed\\n\'\n' before the chat output... Mar 11 20:17:43 SM2k: your ppp output states CME error Mar 11 20:17:53 SM2k: That's the main culprit Mar 11 20:17:57 pretend I'm an idiot... :-) Mar 11 20:18:34 so the CME error is not related to the traceback above, it happens to *be* teh realo problem? Mar 11 20:19:09 SM2k: if you're sure that the pin is not needed or already entered and you still have CME error, try some more times. Probably it's some network-related thing or a calypso wierdness. Mar 11 20:20:15 I'm not sure at all that I need no pin TBH, I think I have t-mobile Mar 11 20:20:31 SM2k: Do you need to enter pin to make normal calls? Mar 11 20:20:32 amusing that I'm not even sure what carrier these phones are using Mar 11 20:20:43 I don't use this phone for anything at all Mar 11 20:21:03 at least other than programming Mar 11 20:21:46 one of these phones does receive calls and text messages periodically. might I have any luck if I switched SIM cards do you think? Mar 11 20:22:38 SM2k: you might, yes. Also it's probable that you need to enable GPRS service for your contract. Mar 11 20:22:50 I'm betting it is fwiw Mar 11 20:22:54 but I'll check Mar 11 20:23:04 (clearly I'm not paying the phone bill here) :-) Mar 11 20:24:18 SM2k: btw, what distro are you using? Mar 11 20:24:28 FSO on one and 2008.12 on the other Mar 11 20:25:18 I'm just starting to become aware of the role frameworkd is playing here. so perhaps that is part of my as-yet unsolved GPS issues Mar 11 20:25:55 SM2k: btw, is that sim 3G-capable? Mar 11 20:26:04 SM2k: and have you upgraded your GSM firmware? Mar 11 20:26:22 I don't know Mar 11 20:26:48 is there an easy way to know that? Mar 11 20:28:16 SM2k: i'd recommend to upgrade GSM firmware anyway for the sake of compatibility with all sim cards out there, also moko11 has 2 nasty bugs fixed. Mar 11 20:28:56 moko11? don't know what that is Mar 11 20:29:59 SM2k: GSM firmware version Mar 11 20:30:09 ah Mar 11 20:30:52 I wasn't aware any of the firmware on these devices could be altered Mar 11 20:32:07 SM2k: i'd recommend to do it. Read GSM/Flashing at OM wiki. Mar 11 20:32:15 thanks Mar 11 20:32:47 SM2k: if you're not comfortable with typing commands, then you may want to try Joerg's uSD image that will do everything automatically. Mar 11 20:33:01 I couldn't do it via ssh? Mar 11 20:33:14 and fwiw, the FSO's keyboard isn't bad Mar 11 20:33:28 SM2k: you can, just follow the wiki (but read it all and use ROM bootloader from the beginning) Mar 11 20:34:09 rgr. well I've swapped sim cards. I'll give that flashing a gander in a minute Mar 11 20:34:32 SM2k: and flashing is actually safe unless you _really_ mess with fluid.exe Mar 11 20:34:46 good to know Mar 11 20:34:51 honestly, if you don't have a very recent kernel, but an empty uSD, the uSD-image way is much less stress and easier Mar 11 20:34:59 SM2k: Mar 11 20:35:06 any idea on how to change fyp background? it seems not using lxde setting Mar 11 20:35:32 what's a fyp? and an lxde? Mar 11 20:35:51 mwester: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Fyp Mar 11 20:36:27 DocScrutinizer: I'm not afraid of complexity... :-) thanks for the tip. Mar 11 20:36:38 np Mar 11 20:37:00 actually flashing manually can be fun Mar 11 20:37:16 And fast Mar 11 20:37:42 and it works Mar 11 20:37:44 hmm, relative ;) Mar 11 20:37:46 Joerg... hahahaha Mar 11 20:37:49 Yes... fun... >:) Mar 11 20:37:59 Kind of how we so enjoy breaking things... ;) Mar 11 20:38:17 :) Mar 11 20:38:26 Does the 'community' repository still exist? How dicfficult it's to get apps to the 'official' repos. Just crossed my mind thinking of opkg.org situation.. Mar 11 20:39:07 rhkfin: the most reasonable way is to get stuff to OE Mar 11 20:39:19 swapping chips yields new errors :-) Mar 11 20:39:26 Joerg, which reminds me, when I get a chance later this week, I'd like to discuss some more design flaws I found... Mar 11 20:40:36 Dave: sure Mar 11 20:40:53 http://slexy.org/view/s2XNpQCG3B Mar 11 20:41:14 that looks quite a bit healthier tho Mar 11 20:41:33 in a what-the-heck-do-these-logs-mean-anyways sort of way :-) Mar 11 20:42:28 SM2k: +EXT ERROR Mar 11 20:42:36 yep Mar 11 20:43:05 SM2k: probably you didn't wait enough for it to register to network? Mar 11 20:43:42 so... that's the time between when I ran frameworkd -s ogsmd --daemonize and attempted the connect script? Mar 11 20:44:05 :) Mar 11 20:44:18 Mar 11 20:43:47 om-gta02 local2.info chat[1629]: +CME ERROR Mar 11 20:44:18 yay. :-P Mar 11 20:44:46 Sheesh. You broke your CME. Mar 11 20:45:05 CME is what exactly? Mar 11 20:45:18 PaulFert`: oe.. I guess so.. Any instructions anywhere how to do it or something.. about 100 times harder than okpg.org.. Mar 11 20:45:48 rhkfin: opkg.org is a mess, you know it like no other ;) Mar 11 20:46:35 SM2k: this other SIM ever worked in FR? Mar 11 20:46:48 PaulFert`: I do but it was nice to be able to easily upload apps there. Submitting to OE makes it a lot more difficult.. :/ Mar 11 20:46:54 I get wrong numbers calling me... Mar 11 20:47:05 and text messages from tmobile warning the minutes are about to expire Mar 11 20:47:24 rhkfin: proper app management needs enough effort, as i see it. Mar 11 20:47:40 SM2k: in freerunner? Mar 11 20:47:46 yp Mar 11 20:47:48 yep Mar 11 20:48:09 SM2k: so gprs should work provided it's enabled by you provider. Mar 11 20:48:17 s/you/your/ Mar 11 20:48:18 PaulFert` meant: SM2k: so gprs should work provided it's enabled by your provider. Mar 11 20:48:19 PaulFert`: right.. On the other hand I'd say some 60% of the apps in opkg.org are stuff that should be 'built in' in the OS.. Mar 11 20:48:52 rhkfin: To be part of the OS it's even more needed to be in OE. Mar 11 20:49:23 PaulFert`: right Mar 11 20:49:32 PaulFert`: also provided I don't need to update the firmware Mar 11 20:49:48 How does APN setting work? Mar 11 20:50:14 SpeedEvil: in which distro? Mar 11 20:50:23 FSO, it's just an arg to the dbus call Mar 11 20:50:24 SM2k: you still should upgrade firmware. Mar 11 20:50:36 PaulFert`: right. let's start there then Mar 11 20:50:36 SM2k: btw, are you sure you have your APN set right? Mar 11 20:50:55 SM2k: wap looks suspicious to me :-/ Mar 11 20:51:04 PaulFert`: I've tried both wap.voicestream.com and internet2.voicestream.com per the docs Mar 11 20:51:19 SM2k: the second sounds better Mar 11 20:53:43 by the way, I have to killal python; frameworkd -s ogsmd --daemonize to get frameworkd to init gsm, but that disables all othert subsystems. is there a config setting I'm missing somewhere? Mar 11 20:55:35 SM2k: usually users just start frameworkd (without options) and then start Zhone or other dialer. Mar 11 20:56:02 Does the bash of 2008.12 know functions? Looks like it doesn't.. Mar 11 20:56:44 is it bash you speak of, or is it the built-in sh (which is a link to busybox)? Mar 11 20:57:05 But functions are pretty basic, and even the busybox /bin/sh knows about functions. Mar 11 20:57:28 built-in sh Mar 11 20:57:50 function this { } Mar 11 20:57:52 this Mar 11 20:57:54 etc Mar 11 20:58:47 PaulFert`: I didn't even have a dialer installed.... :-) Mar 11 20:59:03 SM2k: opkg install zhone then Mar 11 20:59:14 Installing zhone (0.0.2+gitr0+d9d0a80e5444cd24b5e14082bb10e8d2cdd01fe8-r11) to root... Mar 11 20:59:14 Collected errors: Mar 11 20:59:14 * ERROR: Package zhone (parent zhone) is not available from any configured src. Mar 11 20:59:14 * Failed to download zhone. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? Mar 11 20:59:18 eh? :-) Mar 11 21:00:23 and I did update immediately before running that command fwiw Mar 11 21:03:10 SM2k: hm, what version are you running? Is it pre MS5? Mar 11 21:03:27 I have 5.1 Mar 11 21:03:42 actually... I think this is unstable Mar 11 21:03:47 yep Mar 11 21:04:38 and zhone doesn't appear to be in any of the unstable srcs Mar 11 21:04:56 is there any guide on how to set a background pic on OM 2008.12? Mar 11 21:09:20 spydon: let me know if you find how to do it Mar 11 21:09:31 I'm using illume-theme Mar 11 21:10:30 rhkfin, okay Mar 11 21:16:53 rhkfin, isn Mar 11 21:17:19 isn't there a graphical tool in illume to change wallpaper? Mar 11 21:30:52 aww man, that GSM flashing was *easy* :-) you guys had me all tripped out with that ZOMG BRIKKIT mumble Mar 11 21:32:18 it's just as easy as reading the instructions Mar 11 21:32:24 8-) Mar 11 21:32:39 Far too many things are waaay too hard with Om; it makes it difficult for people to believe that some things (like the GSM firmware) are really quite easy. Mar 11 21:32:54 I've learned that one must pay close attention to commands and sequences listed in the wiki Mar 11 21:33:04 BRIKKIT? Is that like a social news site for gadgets that don't work? Mar 11 21:33:32 I think it's LOL catz for Oh my god you're gonna break it. :-) Mar 11 21:34:03 I lost my BUKKIT! Mar 11 21:37:56 How do I make illume not crash all the time :P Mar 11 21:38:13 http://slexy.org/view/s21NgKjLMm Mar 11 21:38:44 truly. what in the hell is the point in starting syslog with no logging? :-) it's like /dev/null for system messages! Mar 11 21:38:54 is it to save disk churn? Mar 11 21:39:00 spydon: why are you using such an experimental window manager if you are not developing it? :/ Mar 11 21:39:29 lindi-: cause nobody told any of us it's developmental? :-D Mar 11 21:39:32 SM2k: Saves wear on your flash memory, which has a limited lifetime. Use logread to read the log buffer. Mar 11 21:39:36 lindi-, isn't it quite stable on sht? Mar 11 21:39:41 shr* Mar 11 21:40:02 SM2k: is it in any of the mainstream distros? Mar 11 21:40:32 illume? enlightenment? Mar 11 21:42:07 SM2k: e17 Mar 11 21:42:20 lindi-: I'm running it this very moment Mar 11 21:42:36 Foresight Linux fwiw Mar 11 21:44:20 lindi-, do you know how to set the wallpaper with asu then? Mar 11 21:44:26 lindi-: that said, I admit to packaging it my damn self, cause I found it convenient for etk development. :-) Mar 11 21:45:07 SM2k: that doesn't count then ;) Mar 11 21:45:23 spydon: xsetroot should work everywhere? Mar 11 21:45:44 sure it does. :-) foresight will be shipping a version of the distro that uses E by default at some point soon. Mar 11 21:46:09 SM2k: but this is the first time i've heard of foresight :) Mar 11 21:46:59 it's worth a look if you feel froggy. it's the largest desktop distro built with conary Mar 11 21:48:01 "feel froggy"? no, I have no urge to eat flies at the moment. Mar 11 21:48:11 NOM NOM NOM NOM Mar 11 21:48:46 lindi-, I have no idea how to use that and I didn't find it on the wiki :P Mar 11 21:50:26 spydon: but it's not openmoko specific in any way Mar 11 21:50:59 lindi-, i see, do you know the command for it? Mar 11 21:51:07 hm. frogger.... Mar 11 21:51:07 spydon: yep, 'xsetroot' Mar 11 21:51:20 could someone port "frogger" to OM, please? Mar 11 21:51:24 lindi-, I don't have that on my phone :( Mar 11 21:51:25 spydon: it was written in 1987 and is a core part of X Mar 11 21:51:47 I have xset but not xsetroot Mar 11 21:51:49 spydon: so it's surely in fedora, ubuntu, debian, suse, ... Mar 11 21:52:28 $ dpkg -S xsetroot Mar 11 21:52:28 x11-xserver-utils: /usr/bin/xsetroot Mar 11 21:52:52 a 22-year-old standard utility that just works :-) Mar 11 21:53:32 spydon: if you want to invent something fancier you better at least know the original one :) Mar 11 21:53:32 I don't get it... Am I going to set the wallpaper with xsetroot on my ubuntu box to my phone? Mar 11 21:53:44 spydon: funny thing is, you can actually do that Mar 11 21:54:05 err right :P Mar 11 21:54:39 spydon: maybe i'm bit too openly critical here :) Mar 11 22:37:40 isn't there any guide anywhere for how to change the wallpaper? Mar 11 22:38:08 why would you want to do that? Mar 11 22:38:25 That could bring down the phone network! Mar 11 22:38:40 What? Mar 11 22:39:30 I don't know,I was being random Mar 11 22:39:49 also, woot Mar 11 22:39:56 my phone is on it's way Mar 11 22:48:17 where is the enlightenment config? Mar 11 22:48:39 spydon, which distro? Mar 11 22:48:50 om 2008.12 Mar 11 22:49:38 spydon, I think it has e config manager hidden Mar 11 22:49:52 okay Mar 11 22:50:18 spydon, try looking for the bin name and running it from the terminal maybe? Mar 11 22:50:40 it has a wallpaper section Mar 11 22:51:05 ok, i will try thatr Mar 11 23:47:20 hi there! i'm trying to get xtscal to work, but it just says "XCALIBRATE extension missing: Success" which seems a little odd.. anybody knows this or has a suggestion on how to find out what's the problem? Mar 12 00:14:56 swab_: xdpyinfo? Mar 12 00:18:24 lindi-, http://rafb.net/p/MDr29s61.html Mar 12 00:20:52 swab_: well, you can see right there that XCALIBRATE is not supported. Mar 12 00:26:03 lindi-, ah ok, now i see it, sry.. can i enable it? or what exactly is it that would need to support it? the xserver? Mar 12 00:26:58 you would need bacon... and likly to compile it yourself Mar 12 00:27:00 swab_: X server or some module of it Mar 12 00:27:49 ah, okay.. then i'll try to get a compiler working first :) Mar 12 00:34:26 what ever happen to the gentoo build for openmokok Mar 12 01:01:29 nuclear_eclipse Mar 12 01:07:12 haha, I hope rooly's having a good time :) Mar 12 02:04:10 fyp looks better Mar 12 02:12:01 ok I hate thisphone now (My old 8525) Mar 12 02:12:38 the mail client is unuseable now Mar 12 02:16:52 That's ok. You'll hate the Freerunner just as much soon. Mar 12 02:17:10 It has no mail client at all, by-the-way. Mar 12 02:17:26 telnet mail.your.isp pop3 Mar 12 02:18:03 haha Mar 12 02:18:12 I ment mail as in SMS also. ;P Mar 12 02:53:28 :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 12 02:59:56 2009