**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 14 02:59:57 2009 Mar 14 03:00:25 interesting Mar 14 03:00:29 I can ping inside the network Mar 14 03:00:46 but if I ping 208.67.222.222 the packets go byebye Mar 14 03:07:38 SeligArkin: read the "USB Networking" wiki page if you haven't already done so Mar 14 03:07:45 looking through now Mar 14 03:07:57 and I can ssh to the neo Mar 14 03:08:05 and the neo can ssh to my laptop Mar 14 03:08:19 but when I try to leave my network,it goes LALALALA I DONT HEAR YOU Mar 14 03:09:23 Probably something to do with a default gateway, ip_forward sysctl, or NAT configuration on the laptop Mar 14 03:10:56 hmm Mar 14 03:11:06 or its my half-broken wifi Mar 14 03:11:14 I think I am going to flash to SHR Mar 14 03:11:49 because 2008.12 is horrible Mar 14 03:13:18 If you have a wifi connection from the Freerunner to a router then you should use that as your path to the Internet, not the USB network Mar 14 03:14:20 * mmontour has not tried SHR or 2008.12 so can't advise there Mar 14 03:19:23 mmontour: how do I tell it to not use it as a path, I know I saw it somewhere but I can't find it again Mar 14 03:20:31 The command is "route". "route -n" will show the current settings. The default route is the "0.0.0.0" entry Mar 14 03:32:24 grah Mar 14 03:43:28 mmontour: what do you use? Mar 14 03:45:21 I'm not a good example - my rootfs resembles fso-unstable but I've got a lot of other packages installed. I also don't have it working as a phone at the moment, because I'm more interested in hacking on lower-level stuff Mar 14 03:46:01 But in the past, I was able to do networking over wifi with a fairly standard wpa_supplicant+dhcp configuration Mar 14 03:58:39 .... Innntttttttttttteeeeeeeeeeeresting///// Mar 14 04:14:44 ... HATE... Mar 14 04:15:10 I flashed SHR onto it... now it won't even act as a usbnet... Mar 14 04:16:12 Did you update your kernel as well? Could be a kernel/modules mismatch Mar 14 04:58:16 SeligArkin: or more likely you need to reboot after the first boot for setup to complete ... Mar 14 04:58:26 yeah I realised that Mar 14 04:58:33 though it still isn't working... Mar 14 04:58:42 meh I will mess with it in the morning Mar 14 04:58:46 too much fucking drams Mar 14 04:58:49 drama happen tonight Mar 14 06:50:01 I'm having a problem with dfu-util, it doesn't list anything when run with -l. It used to work, but I updated a lot of stuff... anyone know what I may have done to break it? Mar 14 06:52:36 ah, might be that I don't have /proc/bus/usb working. Mar 14 06:53:14 nope. It's mounted now and -l still shows nothing. Mar 14 08:13:00 slaxxin: solved the gtick-thing? Mar 14 08:39:58 :o Mar 14 08:46:15 good morning Mar 14 09:45:43 Hi, I just want to congratulate the SHR devs with their latest unstable release as it fixed all my previous issue, thank you guys !!! Mar 14 09:49:03 good night Mar 14 09:49:22 i'm fucked Mar 14 10:09:04 If you know people working at Openmoko, please add here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/People Mar 14 10:11:35 rhkfin: harry tai has left Mar 14 10:11:39 and jorg too Mar 14 10:21:46 rhkfin: I'm on "unlimited holiday", not 100% left OM Mar 14 10:27:22 hi, i installed an 8gb minisd card on my nep1973 Mar 14 10:27:32 but at boot when i try to do mmcinit Mar 14 10:27:37 i have this message: Mar 14 10:27:45 ===============> MMC CMD Timeout Mar 14 10:27:50 mmc_block_read: err SDIDSTA=0x00000020 Mar 14 10:27:52 .. Mar 14 10:27:54 geaaru, the neo1973 won't work with sdhc-cards Mar 14 10:28:05 only freerunner can eat those Mar 14 10:28:36 e.g. anything over 4gb is a no-go on the neo1973 Mar 14 10:28:44 but if i start with flash... card is see correctly Mar 14 10:29:00 are you sure you have the neo1973? Mar 14 10:29:04 yes :) Mar 14 10:29:08 and not the freerunner? Mar 14 10:29:16 then maybe update u-boot? Mar 14 10:29:22 GTA01Bv4 # Mar 14 10:31:06 i have a partition of 50MB, 1 with 3500MB and another partition Mar 14 10:31:14 i never update u-boot Mar 14 10:32:07 DocScrutinizer: raster is there something wrong with the management/leadership in OM - I have the feeling that relatively many people are leaving/left the company..? Mar 14 10:32:50 rhkfin: i think i've said my bits on this before :) Mar 14 10:33:44 ok :) Mar 14 10:34:04 * rhkfin must have missed it but I guess it's somewhere in the ml archives .) Mar 14 10:34:58 * DocScrutinizer isn't inclined to comment on this. "doesn't compute - input missing" Mar 14 10:35:11 thought so .) Mar 14 10:43:57 tom: I thinky you're confused Mar 14 10:44:04 tom: SDHC is over 2G Mar 14 10:44:18 I have a 4G in my neo1973, and it works just fine Mar 14 10:49:40 Hi, I'm in SHR and I was thinking about the menu, is it possible to put directories with more icon in the enlightenment interface (cause I have too many icon anfd I want to do something about that, put them in directories per category for exampl). So is that possible and if so, how ? Mar 14 10:55:28 i confirm, if i boot from flash i see my 8gb minisd card Mar 14 10:55:34 on neo1973 Mar 14 10:56:49 In this case you can boot kernel only from nand, but no problem have rootfs on minisd card Mar 14 10:59:51 ok, i will try to use minisd only as rootfs, but kernel partition of flash it is small :'(... thanks for reply Mar 14 11:01:43 嚜瞟eaaru: you can use kexec for a biger kernel :) Mar 14 11:03:23 sdhc is >4gb Mar 14 11:03:33 and old firmware versions don't support it Mar 14 11:03:47 shellevil, please, check with the wikis Mar 14 11:04:44 sdhc >=4gb, pardon me Mar 14 11:05:05 tomboy64: firmware version of the bootloeder? Mar 14 11:05:16 geaaru, of u-boot Mar 14 11:05:55 but so, if boot is done from flash, neo can see sdhc <=8gb Mar 14 11:05:57 SDHC and SD should both work in a FreeRunner if you have u-boot from 2008-07-23 or later. Mar 14 11:05:58 ? Mar 14 11:06:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD Mar 14 11:06:46 so? Mar 14 11:07:04 because i use a neo1973 i can see correctly a 8gb sdhc (not boot from sd) Mar 14 11:07:25 you might be able to boot with a more recent firmware Mar 14 11:07:31 sdhc is >=2G Mar 14 11:09:07 geaaru: u-boot don't support sdhc (at last stable version, I didn't try other branch) Mar 14 11:09:58 on the neo1973 Mar 14 11:10:19 ok ok, i understand, but i don't know if i will update u-boot because if there are problems i can't use yet my neo :'( Mar 14 11:10:29 right? Mar 14 11:11:17 geaaru: unless you get it unbricked by someonme with a debug board. Mar 14 11:11:20 geaaru: you'd need debug board Mar 14 11:11:42 i know but i haven't it :'( Mar 14 11:11:45 SpeedEvil: how are you, you old dog ;D Mar 14 11:12:35 geaaru: personally I don't think that upgrading u-boot is harmfull, but it won't resolv the problem of sdhc boot. Mar 14 11:12:38 Or who is willing to desolder the flash from their running gta01, solder it into yours, boot yours, desolder the flash from the one to be repaired, resolder a new one, reflash, and reinstall donor flash in original gta01. This is almost as easy as using the debug board. Mar 14 11:12:43 geaaru: where U located? Mar 14 11:13:00 italy (turin) Mar 14 11:13:01 :) Mar 14 11:13:51 geaaru: recently I heard about debubo for giveaway, maybe on buzzfix parties Mar 14 11:13:56 * SpeedEvil wishes the channel could help with his GTA01 problems. Mar 14 11:14:06 Mainly 'where is my USB lead' Mar 14 11:14:20 SpeedEvil: I'm working on sdhc support on u-boot :) I have the same issue :) Mar 14 11:14:56 There is an old patch on mailing list for this. It works for card detection, but I can't read sector for the moment Mar 14 11:15:46 And I agree, using debug board is as easy as solder/resolder flash :p Mar 14 11:16:01 geaaru: anyway there's enough debubo-owners in Germany at least, who undoubtly would debrick your 1973 if you send by mail or sth Mar 14 11:16:03 (that was partially a comment on the flex-cable) Mar 14 11:17:51 starox: don't forget sdxc Mar 14 11:17:56 :) thank you very much for support. Mar 14 11:17:59 arf :) Mar 14 11:18:33 SpeedEvil: isn't the flash in GTA01 embedded in the processor too? Mar 14 11:18:46 Wonka: I was thinking the same Mar 14 11:19:02 Wonka: I think it's a seperate chip Mar 14 11:19:12 Wonka: it's a dual chip on the fr Mar 14 11:19:27 uh... Mar 14 11:19:33 I could be wrong. It's happened before. 1992 I think it was. Mar 14 11:19:40 /download/schematics/gta01 Mar 14 11:19:44 :D Mar 14 11:20:09 but still, finding someone with a suitable debugboard should be easier than finding someone with such soldering skills Mar 14 11:20:23 of course. :) Mar 14 11:20:39 Wonka: that's been evil kidding Mar 14 11:20:42 I should probably mention that the above would likely not work. Mar 14 11:21:23 s/ev/speedev/ Mar 14 11:21:23 DocScrutinizer meant: Wonka: that's been speedevil kidding Mar 14 11:21:35 lol Mar 14 11:21:45 eeevil speedo Mar 14 11:24:39 actually using debubo isn't any difficult for people used to playing mikado or good at wrist watch repair :-) Mar 14 11:25:08 a little harder for steelworkers ;) Mar 14 11:25:49 or bricklayers Mar 14 11:26:45 Hmmm and compiling skills to find a working version of openocd :) Mar 14 11:27:03 lol, bricklayers prone to brick Neo Mar 14 11:28:35 bricked neo layers Mar 14 11:36:33 does anyone know a better wifi manager than mofi that runs on shr ? Mar 14 12:05:50 Found my stylus again :D Mar 14 12:05:56 :) Mar 14 12:12:22 ahoi Mar 14 12:24:45 everybody, how may spare bat cells vame with your stylus? Mar 14 12:24:56 none, as far as I recall Mar 14 12:24:58 s/ay/any/ Mar 14 12:24:58 DocScrutinizer meant: everybody, how many spare bat cells vame with your stylus? Mar 14 12:25:30 I think it has 3 or 4 cells Mar 14 12:25:48 oh, you didn't get the stylus can then? Mar 14 12:25:53 yes, I did Mar 14 12:25:59 I just don't recall any cells in it Mar 14 12:26:14 This could be failing memory though Mar 14 12:26:44 seems there's 3 spare cells, but 4 inside sylus :D Mar 14 12:27:15 ebay has all sorts of cells cheap Mar 14 12:30:49 I have the feeling that alsa isn't running on SHR-unstable, how can I verify that ? Mar 14 12:32:46 SpeedEvil: still it's funny Mar 14 12:33:41 yeah. the cells are _way_ overdrawn as they are asked to provide stupid current. So to get any battery life at all, you need quite a big resistor to cope with the voltage variation Mar 14 12:33:46 Why doesn't SHR-lite have alsa-server installed, isn't it required to have sound ? Mar 14 12:34:15 SpeedEvil: yup Mar 14 12:34:46 * SpeedEvil has a 10180 cell for a silly torch - it's the most power out I can find in that form. Mar 14 12:34:59 (10mm dia*18mm) Mar 14 12:36:06 (To replace a tritium keychain. A li-ion cell, a half watt LED, a tiny solar panel, in a 14mm*30mm transparent case. Recharges by high power LED beam, or sunlight. Mar 14 12:40:07 tritium o.O Mar 14 12:41:46 fusion-powered ;D ? Mar 14 12:42:36 what do i need libusb/usbutils for? Mar 14 12:42:45 is both for usb-networking required? Mar 14 12:51:55 hello; I'm using stable -stable kernel (Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc2 #1 PREEMPT Fri Mar 13 17:12:12 CET 2009 armv4tl unknown) and using ar6000 driver, but after modprobe-ing, I can't see the wireless interface Mar 14 12:52:15 is alsa broken in SHR ? Mar 14 13:33:10 uhm...is that normal that network over usb does not work after booting with Qi? Mar 14 13:33:26 usb0 is up on both, desktop and freerunner Mar 14 13:33:42 Defiant-: try eth1 on desktop Mar 14 13:33:50 oh, no, never mind. Mar 14 13:34:04 Have you started & restarted it after flashing? Mar 14 13:34:14 yes, started 3 times Mar 14 13:34:29 ok.. don't know.. Mar 14 13:34:55 just flashed uboot => connection works Mar 14 13:36:54 weird Mar 14 13:43:35 * rhkfin found his lost 512MB 猶D :) Mar 14 13:45:39 no ideas? Mar 14 14:19:39 INST_MIRROR=http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian QI=true SINGLE_PART=true ./install.sh all Mar 14 14:19:48 But still it tries to format swap partition Mar 14 14:20:00 to /dev/mmcblk0p2 that doesn't exist.. Mar 14 14:20:01 tips? Mar 14 14:24:54 rhkfin: got url to the install.sh? Mar 14 14:25:51 lindi-: http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh Mar 14 14:32:36 rhkfin: here's a patch http://paste.nerv.fi/73356782.txt Mar 14 14:33:32 lindi-: I'll try.. Mar 14 14:33:47 rhkfin: sent also pkg-fso-maint mailing list Mar 14 14:33:54 great :) Mar 14 14:34:28 yep, got past where it got stuck earlier. Kudo! Mar 14 14:34:32 kudos.. Mar 14 14:49:20 Hi... any idea what's the endianness on openmoko GTA02 plateform ? Mar 14 14:49:37 little Mar 14 14:50:06 great thx Mar 14 15:05:14 hi, i upgrade u-boot Mar 14 15:05:25 to version dec-17 2008 Mar 14 15:05:44 congratz :p Mar 14 15:06:07 but when i try to call mmcinit Mar 14 15:06:19 i have always same error :'( Mar 14 15:06:25 ===============> MMC CMD Timeout Mar 14 15:07:15 is there a version that support 8gb minisd for neo1973 Mar 14 15:07:48 i have a uboot from august i think, and that supports it... Mar 14 15:07:59 (i think you mean microSD btw) Mar 14 15:08:13 there is a table with known microsd cards that work on the gta02 Mar 14 15:08:21 don't know anything about the neo1973 Mar 14 15:09:45 but i think that is a problem with bootloader Mar 14 15:10:02 because if i boot from flash i see minisd Mar 14 15:10:43 where i can found uboot of august? Mar 14 15:10:55 can you supply me link, please? Mar 14 15:11:33 geaaru: i don't have one, i'm sorry Mar 14 15:11:46 you could also ask in #openmoko-cdevel, they are more technically skilled than i am Mar 14 15:11:57 ok, i try Mar 14 15:11:59 :D Mar 14 15:12:06 thanks Mar 14 15:12:24 geaaru: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.9/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin is onie from november Mar 14 15:12:31 but i doubt it will improve you situation... Mar 14 15:12:44 thank you very much Mar 14 15:13:41 http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/obsolete-images/Om2007.11/images/neo1973/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.0+git20071201+svnr3484-r0.bin ; a u-boot for the gta01b4 from 2007 :) Mar 14 15:13:53 btw: the first link is for GTA02 Mar 14 15:13:59 not neo1973 Mar 14 15:16:37 mmm... i download u-boot from here http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.12/ Mar 14 15:17:01 probably is newer of your link to 2007.12 tree Mar 14 15:17:15 geaaru: what do you need uboot for? Mar 14 15:17:53 to start neo1973 from minisd(8gb) Mar 14 15:19:16 well this is progress Mar 14 15:20:52 I am typing this on my freerunner connected via wifi and using my bluetooth keyboard :) Mar 14 15:21:27 but my problems are relative to a bug of the u-boot or other? Mar 14 15:22:28 The problem is probably u-boot, but it is also probably not so much a bug as it is that the u-boot in the neo1973 was not designed to handle the timing your card requires. Mar 14 15:22:51 It's probably also not going to get fixed, as nobody is working on u-boot anymore on any of the devices. Mar 14 15:23:32 The correct solution is probably to boot a minimal kernel from NAND flash, and use that kernel to kexec the real kernel from the uSD card. Mar 14 15:23:42 But that software system/image has not been completed yet. Mar 14 15:31:27 ... I think SHR broke usb... Mar 14 15:31:36 it is not recognised as a device at all now Mar 14 15:33:20 SeligArkin: is thisafter using mofi by any chance? Mar 14 15:33:35 or wicd Mar 14 15:33:53 no, just default shr install Mar 14 15:34:02 reboot Mar 14 15:34:14 yep try a reboot Mar 14 15:34:44 the first install of any image seems to play up until its first reboot Mar 14 15:35:24 I have installed a fresh install of shr testing here today and usb is working fine:) Mar 14 15:35:38 posting from it now :P Mar 14 15:35:48 TIG Mar 14 15:35:53 DAVE Mar 14 15:36:31 Dave my freerunner is usable for mobile irc! Mar 14 15:36:39 hah! Mar 14 15:36:47 yeah, I used to IM and IRC from it Mar 14 15:36:49 heh Mar 14 15:36:54 but it was really just for novelty Mar 14 15:36:59 and got old quite fast Mar 14 15:36:59 still crap as a phone mind:) Mar 14 15:37:03 :D Mar 14 15:37:08 as long as I can ssh using it,I can use IRC device. :P Mar 14 15:37:17 first I need to get internets woking on it Mar 14 15:37:31 I have a bluetooth keyboard though which makes a big difference :) Mar 14 15:37:51 I wish I had a nice one :( Mar 14 15:38:13 Woot Mar 14 15:38:37 I have even checked google mail on it using minimo which is a metric arseload better than midori Mar 14 15:38:48 even via https too Mar 14 15:40:03 tig|: but slow.. It's nice that it supports ssl and all other stuff, for example gmail works nice, but sloooooooooow (and not developed any more ./ Mar 14 15:40:24 haha Mar 14 15:40:30 yeah midori unfortunately blows :P Mar 14 15:40:38 yeah it is not that quick but i can't even get to gmail on midori Mar 14 15:40:46 Dave: please contribute here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Browser_review Mar 14 15:41:05 flashing red AUX = kernel panic, right?> Mar 14 15:41:06 mwester: k, thank for reply Mar 14 15:41:07 oh.. tig| I meant.. Both of you :) Mar 14 15:41:11 SeligArkin: right Mar 14 15:41:18 whoopsie Mar 14 15:42:06 Sir, yes sir! Mar 14 15:42:11 hmm i wonder if i can get access to the pub's wifi Mar 14 15:42:22 GOOD LUCK Mar 14 15:42:29 Don't cause any meltdowns in the process ;) Mar 14 15:42:43 oh i will just ask for the key Mar 14 15:43:06 huhu Mar 14 15:43:13 what is this, neopwn? ;) Mar 14 15:43:26 if i can't i will have to extend my wlan about 150 meters or so Mar 14 15:44:27 ohh Mar 14 15:44:34 shr has a prettyer shell Mar 14 15:46:01 MMmmmmmmmm MMmMMmmmmm mmmmm! Mar 14 15:46:15 <3 sshfs Mar 14 15:46:33 * mwester successfully avoid actually saying anything bad about colored text. Mar 14 15:46:49 <3 pretty colours Mar 14 15:48:47 ... fail Mar 14 15:53:06 * SeligArkin pokes eth0 Mar 14 15:53:15 whysononexistant? Mar 14 15:57:30 Hmm... Mar 14 15:57:39 question Mar 14 15:57:48 is wpa_supplicant on the shr working? Mar 14 15:57:49 bssid / frequency / signal level / flags / ssid Mar 14 15:57:49 00:0f:66:91:c6:c5 2462 201 Mar 14 15:58:06 ^^ notice it shows no SSID Mar 14 15:58:24 or is that because it is hidden.. Mar 14 15:58:40 on my laptop it shows as if it is hidden Mar 14 16:00:44 from download section what is file gta01bv4-lowlevel.bin? Mar 14 16:04:02 hmm Mar 14 16:04:10 I got internets to work over usb Mar 14 16:04:27 now to get wifi working so I can connect without using the laptop Mar 14 16:06:56 ... you can connect to hidden networks on the open moko... right? Mar 14 16:17:06 SeligArkin: seems you made kinda progress :))) Mar 14 16:17:17 indeed Mar 14 16:17:24 I just wish I could get wifi to find my network Mar 14 16:17:44 yeah, a few hours of sleep sometimes change things drastically Mar 14 16:18:13 * SeligArkin looks if you can tell wpa_supplicant to connect by bssid Mar 14 16:18:20 SeligArkin: wifi has some nasty gotchas AFAIK Mar 14 16:18:23 then on to my next project, finding a better keyboard Mar 14 16:18:37 so I can actualyuse the terminal from the phone Mar 14 16:18:39 wpa-supplicant for sure is nasty Mar 14 16:19:04 not sure mofi does hidden networks Mar 14 16:19:10 not using mofi Mar 14 16:19:24 using /etc/network/interfaces + wpa_supplicant Mar 14 16:19:28 more flexibility Mar 14 16:20:21 SeligArkin: tried qwo? or are you talking about HW keyboard? Mar 14 16:20:29 softkeyboard Mar 14 16:20:59 hehe, /me got a silicone keyboard. *very* soft Mar 14 16:21:32 * SeligArkin stabs it Mar 14 16:21:36 connect you pos Mar 14 16:22:11 ... Mar 14 16:22:21 wpa_cli <=> wpa_supplicant connection is shit Mar 14 16:22:24 SeligArkin: ok, qwo is nice :) Mar 14 16:22:26 it keeps disconnecting... Mar 14 16:22:30 SeligArkin: try wpagui Mar 14 16:23:52 It keeps saying it found scan results... Mar 14 16:23:55 but is not connecting Mar 14 16:23:58 intregueing Mar 14 16:24:44 O-o Mar 14 16:25:07 ok then, on the laptop, if it finds a hidden network, it notices it is hidden,and tries to get it's name Mar 14 16:25:16 on the open moko,it just leaves the name as null Mar 14 16:26:41 hidden ESSID is a very special case, even in "robust network-clients" Mar 14 16:27:22 as there's no way to "get the name", you just have to try to associate by applying the right name by "yourself" Mar 14 16:27:46 which is considered a mild security issue Mar 14 16:28:15 at least if done nadvertedly Mar 14 16:29:23 as your network-manager had to try all know ESSIDs against all hidden networks n vicinity Mar 14 16:31:13 also hiding network name is nonsense basically, as everybody can find out as soon as a client is associated -> the name is sent by the other client, so "hacker" could find out easily Mar 14 16:32:31 in the end, due to all those reasons, it's deprecated to hide ESSID Mar 14 16:32:48 Yep. Best description I've heard for that is that a hidden SSID is like a closing your office door at work -- there's no security at all; it's just a way of saying to the world that you'd prefer nobody enter. Mar 14 16:35:13 mwester: I prefer names like "Virus Detected!" Mar 14 16:35:22 XD Mar 14 16:36:10 i've seen "localhorst" Mar 14 16:36:16 lol Mar 14 16:36:36 and many other more or less funny names Mar 14 16:36:51 one could try for buffer overflows... Mar 14 16:36:52 "" is nasty Mar 14 16:37:07 "RoamAbout Default Network Name" Mar 14 16:37:24 "" Mar 14 16:37:32 It stops just plain old idiots walking by from connecting, which is what I am worried about,really Mar 14 16:37:53 we all know the 'fritzbox' right? Mar 14 16:38:05 but did you know there is a 'horst box'? Mar 14 16:38:06 :-p Mar 14 16:38:10 henk: d-link. Mar 14 16:38:14 SeligArkin: nothing stops an idiot from connecting, except decent encryption Mar 14 16:38:34 I would like to have one... Mar 14 16:38:35 henk: yup I know. Too expensive Mar 14 16:38:48 i was actually rofling when i saw it... Mar 14 16:38:52 http://www.d-link.de/?go=gNTyP9CgrdFOIC4AStFCF834mptYKO9ZTdvhLPG3yV3oVox7haltbNlwaaFp6DQoHDruzidK/4gAAw== Mar 14 16:38:53 * doc|home stabs d-link Mar 14 16:39:05 "The problem with idiot-proofing is that the idiots are so d**m ingenious!" (my electronics lab instructor in college) Mar 14 16:39:13 interesting.. Mar 14 16:39:19 henk: the name obviously is a pun on Fritz!BOX Mar 14 16:39:43 mwester: build a foolproof system and only fools will want to use it Mar 14 16:39:53 that's good too! Mar 14 16:39:59 mwester: invent a foolproof system and the world will invent a better fool Mar 14 16:40:15 :-D We have one, we elected him. Mar 14 16:40:17 Wonka: i guess that's why i think it's so funny 'g' Mar 14 16:40:32 mwester: twice. or are you talking about another fool? Mar 14 16:40:39 my next toy will be this: http://ubnt.com/products/rspro.php Mar 14 16:40:43 Programmers try to create better more foolproof systems. Universe creates better fools. Mar 14 16:40:48 I'm from Illinois -- we have the best politicians money can buy! Mar 14 16:40:51 universe wins Mar 14 16:41:40 In Illinois, governers serve two terms. The second one behind bars. Mar 14 16:41:43 and also, i will try to couple CologneChip XHFC to PC by USB, using an atmel uC maybe. Mar 14 16:44:30 Wonka: FTDI chip offers 16IO IIRC Mar 14 16:44:47 or was it 24 even Mar 14 16:45:36 Wonka: you could use a debugboard ;) Mar 14 16:47:56 so, what's peoples' opinions of the pre? Mar 14 16:47:56 * DocScrutinizer curses MAEMO random unannounced reboots Mar 14 16:47:59 * SeligArkin puts debian on her flash card Mar 14 16:48:27 hmm, the install.sh failed Mar 14 16:50:12 do do do lokoing out my front door Mar 14 16:51:34 SeligArkin: manually run the stage that fails and continue with the next Mar 14 16:51:48 henk: thats what I did Mar 14 16:52:03 ah good Mar 14 16:52:03 running now Mar 14 16:55:03 * SeligArkin sings Mar 14 16:55:16 oh noo please don't Mar 14 16:55:50 DocScrutinizer: i want to develop a generic USB ISDN interface Mar 14 16:56:21 DocScrutinizer: and misdn drivers for it Mar 14 16:56:55 Wonka: I want to be a world-class whore, will you pay for the SRS? Mar 14 16:56:58 ;P Mar 14 16:58:42 Yay, I scared someone off! :O Mar 14 17:00:13 Wonka: as a usb gadget device? Mar 14 17:05:48 hehe Mar 14 17:06:38 SeligArkin: where's the podcast? ;-) Mar 14 17:07:05 huh? Mar 14 17:07:14 [2009-03-14 17:55:03] * SeligArkin sings Mar 14 17:07:33 hehe Mar 14 17:09:02 * SeligArkin watches install.sh go Mar 14 18:27:13 * SeligArkin fails @ installing Mar 14 18:27:42 I defiantlydid something wrong Mar 14 18:29:36 * SeligArkin staresat Poisson Mar 14 18:34:16 I'm having a problem with dfu-util, it doesn't list anything when run with -l. It used to work, but I updated a lot of stuff... anyone know what I may have done to break it? Mar 14 18:38:21 dufflebunk: can it be a faulty cable problem? Mar 14 18:38:48 dufflebunk: And check with lsusb (and dmesg logs) that the device is really there before starting dfu-util. Mar 14 18:40:03 It's listed in /proc/bus/usb/decides Mar 14 18:40:16 ... wtg Mar 14 18:40:19 wtf* Mar 14 18:40:33 dufflebunk: and what is the lsusb output for that device? Mar 14 18:42:20 hun, weird. lsusb doesn't show anything but my mouse. Mar 14 18:43:25 I wonder why it would show up in /proc/bus/usb/devices but not lsusb Mar 14 18:46:57 dufflebunk: probably can't be enumerated? Have you looked at your dmesg? Mar 14 18:47:40 Mar 14 11:47:26 [kernel] usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 29 Mar 14 18:47:44 Mar 14 11:47:26 [kernel] usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices Mar 14 18:47:46 Mar 14 11:47:26 [kernel] cdc_acm 4-1:1.0: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is no modem. Mar 14 18:47:50 Mar 14 11:47:26 [kernel] cdc_acm 4-1:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device Mar 14 18:47:54 that's what I get in the syslog Mar 14 18:48:48 ... WTF Mar 14 18:49:02 I had wifi working, now it is pretending the device doesn't exist again! Mar 14 18:49:06 sakjfsdagnskjadnjksanfkjvasncvfjdsnvhskjfahsklfjahsdkjfhsadkjfhsakdjfhadsf Mar 14 18:49:53