**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 20 03:00:02 2009 Mar 20 03:06:36 mwester: thats what mine did - lord howe island - would have been nice if I was really there - but I am in Perth :) Mar 20 03:07:54 BillK: same bug. Lord Howe is top of the list for AU in zone.tab Mar 20 03:08:42 i'm really getting to dislike opkg Mar 20 05:34:15 has the news been moved or is there no news? Mar 20 05:34:23 DOC? Mar 20 05:44:35 haha 3.18 fyp Mar 20 07:32:13 what daemon or process is responsible for finding the SIM card? Mar 20 08:04:35 i have a problem with qi he sad installing qi and then withe screen ever and ever Mar 20 08:04:44 can anybody help Mar 20 08:04:47 ? Mar 20 08:11:54 morning Mar 20 08:18:32 "he sad installing qi" lol Mar 20 08:25:00 Thou shalt not trust Him to install Qi when too sad is he. Mar 20 08:30:39 thou shall not fart in closed places Mar 20 08:36:16 good morning Mar 20 08:49:05 :) Mar 20 13:24:12 PaulFert1er_: You have a lot of trouble with that nick. :P Mar 20 13:25:08 Digital_Pioneer: No, i have troubles with perl scripts hogging cpu on BIP server. Mar 20 13:25:23 Heheh, what's BIP? Mar 20 13:36:34 hmm, gone. Anyway, bip is an IRC-proxy Mar 20 14:36:55 hi guys, is there any schedule for GTA03 ? In case, that the release is schedule on Q1 of 2010, then i could be interested about buying of about 10-15 devices.. Mar 20 14:38:38 joejoe, nobody knows, and those that can guess won't talk :) Mar 20 14:41:19 you know, right now is the time for requests on new lab equipment for next year and i was thinking about gta03. But i have to discuss it with my boss yet. Mar 20 14:42:39 joejoe, you should contract directly OM(FIC) Mar 20 14:44:59 joejoe: and i guess you might be interested to buy gta02 instead of gta03 even after it is released. Mar 20 14:47:20 joejoe: and i'd not hope to receive any answer from OM about eta for gta03. Mar 20 14:47:40 BTW, OM is not FIC anymore. Two different companies. Mar 20 14:49:45 you know, our research group is focused on computer vision, and because of some accident we are opening new lectures about mobile devices. The other guys want to buy iphones and g1s, and camera and openness of gta03 could be good argument.. Mar 20 14:49:57 joejoe: PaulFertser is right Mar 20 14:51:27 joejoe: right now you aren't even able to have an idea what gta0e will look alike (feature wise) Mar 20 14:51:48 *03 even Mar 20 14:54:23 ok, will see (i just write to request "some mobile devices" .. ) Mar 20 14:54:25 joejoe: I'd suggest buying FR anyway Mar 20 14:54:41 FR doesn't have cam Mar 20 14:55:23 vininim: who's telling you gta03 will have? Mar 20 14:56:16 nobody, but iphone has =P Mar 20 14:56:24 yup Mar 20 14:57:04 err, maybe. no iphone here :-P Mar 20 14:57:32 joejoe: btw, if you buy htc dream (g1) today from uk, you'll be able to easily "root" it. Mar 20 14:57:51 fwiw Mar 20 14:59:14 joejoe: but it doesn't have a free software to use camera yet, afaik. Mar 20 14:59:31 root hormone fertilizer ;P Mar 20 14:59:40 there is some problem with opencv and driver? Mar 20 14:59:42 joejoe: but iphone is not an option, even the kernel is non-free. Mar 20 14:59:59 joejoe: there's some problem with HTC and other motherfuckers who like proprietary stuff. Mar 20 15:00:54 LOL Mar 20 15:01:01 fuck proprietary stuff Mar 20 15:01:48 * DocScrutinizer away to send envelope with ridiculously lightwight small content across half the continent Mar 20 15:04:34 Are folks who like proprietary stuff really all guilty of incest, then? Mar 20 15:05:07 yes, and also child molesting Mar 20 15:05:41 mwester: no, i didn't imply that Mar 20 15:07:27 they're guilty of a much more severe crime: missing respect of freedom, out of mere stupidity Mar 20 15:07:50 I usually use the explecitives without intent of offensing anybody, btw. Mar 20 15:11:05 mwester: ther's no good reason to *like* proprietary stuff (except if you're selling it) Mar 20 15:11:52 or if it's plainly good. i liked nokia a long time. Mar 20 15:12:26 * mwester doesn't think it's quite so simple; he's very pleased that some of his work is considered valuable enough that people pay for it, and it's rather nice to have a roof over one's head and food on the table -- that's not free (no matter what Obama wants) Mar 20 15:12:48 you may like a good soft- or hardware, but never the concept of proprietary stuff Mar 20 15:15:06 DocScrutinizer: i disliked it for being proprietary, but that's not necessarily a factor for liking or not liking... Mar 20 15:15:20 mwester: so you're selling it. it's that simple. even then you take prop. for a measure to copyprotect. there's no beauty in prop. by itself Mar 20 15:15:52 for craft stuff there is Mar 20 15:16:20 but, code is so easily copied that there isn't much virtue in that Mar 20 15:18:31 anyway, have a nice start into weekend folks! me leaving now Mar 20 15:18:44 * henk waves Mar 20 15:19:15 wave Mar 20 15:20:49 Erasing failed write from 00020000-0003ffff Mar 20 15:20:52 =O Mar 20 15:21:59 mwester, i don't care if people charge money for an open source program package. as long as the code is freely available at no cost. the people getting the code aren't likely to pay for the software were it closed source. the people who do pay for it are likely to pay regardless of it being closed or open. Mar 20 15:22:54 You base the last sentence on your personal experience, or on some economic studies that prove that businesses will purchase software that is open source? Mar 20 15:22:57 There is a flaw in that logic Mar 20 15:23:19 proprietary software often is really crappy under the hood and in my past experience, it's crappy because it's rushed to market, driven by making sales. so a lot of shortcuts are taken by the engineers to satisfy the demand of the sales force Mar 20 15:23:27 * mwester has customers that purchase _support_ for certain opensource from Red Hat, but none that actually pay anyone for opensource. Mar 20 15:23:28 for example, I'd quite happily purchase a GPS map navigation system for my OM for 30 -50 quid or so. Mar 20 15:23:42 Or complete voice recognition. Mar 20 15:24:08 The former has legal problems preventing it being open-source, the latter is just hideously complex. Mar 20 15:24:19 and takes a lot of man-years of directed work. Mar 20 15:24:38 It's not vulnerable to random coders picking off a 25 line function at a time. Mar 20 15:24:47 Blu3: If the code is freely available at no cost, as you say, then why would a company send my company a check to pay for it? Mar 20 15:24:48 i base it on a lot of experience with dealing with both sides of the fence. people with money (and businesses) prefer to buy something because the transfer of money imbues a false sense of "better" Mar 20 15:25:08 because the company doesn't write or compile software, they just want something that works Mar 20 15:25:25 SpeedEvil: I did purchase a GPS map systeem for OM; I donated to the tangogps guy :) Mar 20 15:25:31 but isn't navigation, yeah Mar 20 15:26:14 mwester: software life cycle and requirements change justify investing on an (opensource) software project. Mar 20 15:26:21 Blu3: Do you have the names of any customers that actually do that? I will happily sell them pre-compiled versions of opensource. that's rather easy. Mar 20 15:26:31 vininim: translations? Mar 20 15:26:39 mind you, i didn't make a statement that said always. i said likely. there's no perfect answer. people will pirate closed source stuff Mar 20 15:26:47 cjb: no - a navigation package with rights to vectorised maps Mar 20 15:26:48 not every company sees information systems as IP Mar 20 15:26:52 sure. all the boxed linux distributions Mar 20 15:26:59 :P Mar 20 15:27:02 some see it as a mean to an end Mar 20 15:27:16 a minimal part of their bussiness process Mar 20 15:27:28 cjb: good vectorised maps that I can say '45 projected street, cambridge' and it'll get me there. Mar 20 15:27:48 Blu3: no, I think you misunderstand. I'm specifically exlcuding support contracts, which is really what those companies sell. Mar 20 15:27:53 speedevil, buying the gps product rarely gives you any rights other than the use of the product. the maps are still copyrighted. most software doesn't give you any ownership, just license to use Mar 20 15:28:21 Blu3: I know - I want the ability to purchase maps. Mar 20 15:28:32 * SpeedEvil is involved with OSM, /me knows all this crap. Mar 20 15:28:35 mwester: basically it's hard to see a company getting a final product wrt to software. Requirements will change Mar 20 15:29:02 vininim: this is why microsoft doesn't sell products. Mar 20 15:29:15 Oh - wait. /me checks microsofts market cap. Mar 20 15:29:17 But heck, this is a silly argument, I've been here many times before. I won't convince you that there is room for proprietary software, and you can't convince me that I'll continue to be paid if I give away all my work for free. Mar 20 15:29:27 i'm not touching propietary vs floss yet. =P Mar 20 15:29:49 I see that there is space for both Mar 20 15:30:18 mwester, i've spent the last fifteen years making software recommendations for a variety of products. businesses always want the one that costs the most (that they can afford). specifically firewalls, they see that "linux iptables" costs $0 and -completely- dismiss it and opt for a $50,000 HP firewall that is like kindergarten crayons compared to iptables for functionality Mar 20 15:30:23 :P Mar 20 15:30:32 But regardless of how one feels on the topic, I don't think vulgarities and insults are called for. Mar 20 15:30:33 just because it's not clear yet that floss is the ultimate process Mar 20 15:30:38 i didn't say there was no room for proprietary Mar 20 15:30:38 Which is how this topic started. Mar 20 15:30:43 And now it ends. :) Mar 20 15:31:07 please don't presume my position Mar 20 15:32:34 * SpeedEvil wonders if http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=projected street&lr=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl is a real street Mar 20 15:33:07 http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?source=ig&hl=en&q=Projected+St,+London,+Middlesex+County,+Ontario,+Canada&ie=UTF8&cd=2&geocode=FZryjwIdEVgn-w&split=0&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=6.881357,14.941406&ll=42.988419,-81.307626&spn=0.008711,0.017231&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr rather Mar 20 15:34:10 heh Mar 20 15:34:36 anyway, should I worry about ``Erasing failed write from 00020000-0003ffff'' ? Mar 20 15:34:59 during normal operation? Mar 20 15:35:29 The NAND flash is an unreliable medium. It has blocks go bad during use, this is expected, and there are algorithms to deal with it without data loss. Mar 20 15:36:03 This is expected. I don't however know if this is a 'situation normal' message, or a 'monkeys are about to fly out of your nose' message, as I've not read the code. Mar 20 15:36:08 dugin a nandwrite Mar 20 15:36:35 *during Mar 20 15:36:45 * SpeedEvil hands vininim a hanky. Mar 20 15:39:30 =~ Mar 20 15:42:45 vininim: try using flash_eraseall to erase the partition before using nandwrite Mar 20 15:43:06 I did Mar 20 15:44:03 then I guess it's a real bad block Mar 20 15:44:49 In theory this is normal for NAND, but I don't know how well Openmoko handles it at the moment Mar 20 15:47:08 does debian support yaffs2 somehow? Mar 20 15:47:41 I don't know Mar 20 15:48:04 Which partition did you see the error on? Mar 20 15:48:30 mtd7 Mar 20 15:48:41 it depends on filesystem and how it interacts with the mtd layer on how error correction and bad block management is done Mar 20 15:49:14 mine only goes up to mtd6 (rootfs) Mar 20 15:49:49 android qi changes that supposedly Mar 20 15:51:04 OK, I've never tried android. Anyway, my concern was that if it was in an earlier partition then it might mess up the offsets of all of the following partitions (see the "dynpart" u-boot command) Mar 20 15:55:57 vininim: what's in /proc/cmdline? Mar 20 16:02:29 vininim: you can use the u-boot "nand" command for further debugging. "nand bad" should show you the bad-block table. Also look at the "NAND bad blocks" wiki page. Mar 20 16:03:33 loglevel=4 console=ttySAC2,115200 init=/sbin/init rdinit=/init ro mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(qi),0x00040000(depr-ub-env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(depr),0x00040000(identity-ext2),0x04000000(system),0x0b6a0000(userdata) g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:68:4B g_ether.dev_addr=00:1F:11:01:68:4B root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=1 loglevel=8 Mar 20 16:10:07 root@om-gta02 /usr/share/applications $ DISPLAY=:0 xboard Mar 20 16:10:07 xboard: error while loading shared libraries: libXaw8.so.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Mar 20 16:10:10 oeps Mar 20 16:36:31 Zorkman,, you can install it from angstrom-distribution :) Mar 20 16:46:20 if i boot from SD, what dev can i use to mount the flash root filesystem? Mar 20 16:58:34 hi, does anyone know something about the design of the new GTA03? Mar 20 16:58:54 sory i meant someone .... Mar 20 17:05:14 Blu3: mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt Mar 20 17:07:49 thanky Mar 20 17:11:56 PaulFertser: Well, I've got about 50 minutes to work on BT. Your e-mail said to come, so here I am. :P Mar 20 17:12:43 PaulFert1er_: Same to you. Heheh Mar 20 17:14:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdfa86d77ef70 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: fix prefixmap for several free-format commands (spotted on HTC Touch Pro) Mar 20 17:22:57 mmm I could use a card reader Mar 20 17:27:20 vininim: it's possible to use the Freerunner as a card reader (remove the "g_ether" USB-networking module and load "g_file_storage") Mar 20 17:28:21 How do I clear bluetooth bonds that have been made? Mar 20 17:28:44 sell them? Mar 20 17:28:59 sorry that was a horrible joke Mar 20 17:29:13 mmontour: I mean, I just flashed FSO, so I can copy the android installer into a card, so I can use that to flash android. Mar 20 17:31:32 In my opinion, the fewer times you have to physically remove the uSD card the better. I really hate the card holder on the FR Mar 20 17:31:50 mmontour: agreed Mar 20 17:32:01 I put together a minimal rootfs that just exports the card over g_file_storage; less overhead that flashing a full distro Mar 20 17:32:16 s/that/than Mar 20 17:33:15 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-March/005135.html Mar 20 17:34:21 hallo Mar 20 17:34:59 ohai Mar 20 17:35:03 can haz bacon? Mar 20 17:35:09 * SpeedEvil realises a probable reason for google-live, other than the obvious. Mar 20 17:35:20 It - with a little software to read streetnames / point them to humans to read them - and a little smarts to work out stuff like road borders from edges, completely removes their reliance on external map providers. Mar 20 17:35:29 meaning they don't need to licence any data at all for viewers in google-live mapped areas. (in principle, in the future) Mar 20 17:36:24 * Dave cats seligarkin Mar 20 17:36:39 Meow! Mar 20 17:37:49 I should replace cat with a shell script again Mar 20 17:37:51 * Digital_Pioneer cat SeligArkin > /mnt/dog Mar 20 17:38:11 Well... Mar 20 17:38:14 s/mnt/dev/ Mar 20 17:38:53 echo 1>&2 'WOOf WOOf WoOF! MEEERRRRRROWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWw' Mar 20 17:39:36 cat > /dev/watchdog Mar 20 17:40:30 * SeligArkin turns into a lobster and pinches Dave's butt Mar 20 17:40:33 ALSA lib pcm_bluetooth.c:1569:(audioservice_expect) BT_START_STREAM failed : Success(0) Mar 20 17:40:44 Such lovely errors we get... Mar 20 17:40:56 indeed, Digital_Pioneer Mar 20 17:40:59 lol, SeligArkin's favorite error Mar 20 17:41:01 I got that yesterday Mar 20 17:41:14 Hahah Mar 20 17:41:34 from something completelseperatw ethough Mar 20 17:41:34 Error: Unexpected reply: `Success' Mar 20 17:42:40 the bluetooth code is so accustomed to something going wrong that it cannot cope with the possibility of it actually working Mar 20 17:42:48 Indeed. Mar 20 17:44:46 Bluetooth!? UCCEED!? THAT SHOULD CAUSE A KERNEL PANIC' Mar 20 17:46:07 ERROR: pipeline doesn't want to preroll. Mar 20 17:46:12 Ehh? Mar 20 17:46:13 :P Mar 20 17:46:22 ... WHAAA Mar 20 17:47:02 Pipeline is live and does not need PREROLL ... Mar 20 17:47:06 ERROR: pipeline doesn't want to preroll. Mar 20 17:47:39 Pipeline is PREROLLED ... Mar 20 17:47:49 ERROR: pipeline doesn't want to preroll. Mar 20 17:48:05 Very interesting output from gst-launch. Mar 20 17:48:43 "It doesn't need to do x, but we're going to fail because it won't do x. It has already done x, but we fail because it don't do x." Mar 20 17:49:00 s/don't/won't/; Mar 20 17:50:29 Well, I've gotta run. Later, fellow Freerunnerers. :P Mar 20 17:54:42 mmontour: cat > /dev/watchdog? wtf?! a tiger? Mar 20 17:55:06 woof! Mar 20 17:57:07 efff, arrr, effff eff Mar 20 17:57:16 scary :D Mar 20 17:57:56 a dog smaller than cat?! what'd you expect anyway? Mar 20 17:59:44 moo Mar 20 18:20:54 android beta 4 just kicked in, and this time it really did. =P Mar 20 18:21:46 oh snap! Mar 20 18:22:40 great great Mar 20 18:44:11 erm. oops. i made my top shelf icons too big it seems, now i can't tap on it to get the settings. what's the program name to launch so i can fix this? Mar 20 18:44:51 i'm using shr/illume Mar 20 18:47:03 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1b57e0a6bab4 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Mar 20 18:47:03 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Do not assume a range of 0-255 for +CLVL, rather Mar 20 18:47:03 freesmartphone.org: query the modem first. If the respective query is not supported, Mar 20 18:47:03 freesmartphone.org: _then_ assume 0-255. [QUALCOMM MSM] uses a range of 0-5. Mar 20 18:58:23 tig Mar 20 18:58:35 dave Mar 20 18:59:26 Dave! Mar 20 18:59:47 tig tag tig tag Mar 20 18:59:52 Dave :) Mar 20 19:00:07 hmm Mar 20 19:00:12 more beer needed Mar 20 19:06:42 :D Mar 20 19:33:21 opkg install beer && opkg install lasagne Mar 20 19:33:26 oops wrong window Mar 20 19:33:49 wrong order Mar 20 19:33:56 lasagna first Mar 20 19:34:29 opkg : error lasagne is installed in /dev/oven Mar 20 19:34:40 :) Mar 20 19:34:52 * SpeedEvil just had a balanced meal. Mar 20 19:35:07 Pork-pie, hot-cross-bun, chocolate-chip-muffin Mar 20 19:35:10 beer with a beer to drink? Mar 20 19:35:25 that is not balanced, there was no beer Mar 20 19:37:08 what's this remoko? Mar 20 19:38:14 remoko turns your freerunner into a bluetooth remote controll iirc Mar 20 19:39:11 I have not tried installing it for ages, I had it running on 2008.x and used it to control my mythbox Mar 20 19:39:33 really nice Mar 20 19:40:03 so I can Use my moko for presentations? :D Mar 20 19:40:07 yep Mar 20 19:40:24 well if the other machine is a linux box Mar 20 19:40:44 I don't know if it will work with anything else, it might do I have not looked at it in ages Mar 20 19:41:09 there is no need, maybe for macOS and Unix itself Mar 20 19:41:25 it probably does as iirc it just turns the fr into a bluetooth hid device Mar 20 19:47:02 hmm I wanted to buy a wii remote for presentations, but this sounds funny too Mar 20 19:49:16 So, I'm still trying to figure out what is supposed to provide this input.pc pkg-config file that ecore-x is complaining about Mar 20 19:59:18 Digital_Pioneer: Hey. I'm back. :) Mar 20 20:00:57 * balrog-kun tries to remember what the best way was to charge the gta batteries after not using it for quite a while Mar 20 20:01:30 in particular whether it was better to charge in the gta01 or 02 and whether it was better to have the device on or off during charging Mar 20 20:02:14 balrog-kun: there's some info on the wiki, search for flat battery Mar 20 20:02:40 Digital_Pioneer: To erase bonding, you just supply an extra dummy parameter to simple-agent Mar 20 20:02:49 PaulFertser: hopefully they aren't flat Mar 20 20:02:57 it depends. If you have a GTA02 battery that's completely dead, I would put it into a gta01 (off, plugged into USB) for about 15 minutes and then see if it has enough juice to boot your gta02 into Linux Mar 20 20:03:10 i just need to charge 3 of them before tomorrow (setting out on a travel and will need a gps) Mar 20 20:03:22 balrog-kun: if you have a nokia battery around of the same size then boot off that then while plugged into the mains adaptor swap the batteries over :) Mar 20 20:04:06 they are two gta01 batts and a nokia battery that is possible dead (and possibly can't be charged anymore), but the gta01 ones should be both okay and not flat Mar 20 20:04:10 once the batteries have a bit of juice in them the freerunner should be able to switch to fast charge mode even when off (this is from memory) Mar 20 20:05:24 * balrog-kun sweeps the dust off the cases :p Mar 20 20:05:32 balrog-kun: if you have gta02, then boot it until it negotiates 500mA via USB and charge all batteries hotswapping. Mar 20 20:06:15 he can charge in parallel (once booted), one in gta01 and one in gta02 (each at 500mA) Mar 20 20:06:19 PaulFertser: booting up to u-boot menu should be enough i think? Mar 20 20:06:24 PaulFertser: Yeah, finally broke down and started reading the code and figured that out. :P Mar 20 20:06:36 mmontour: i'm afraid gta01 wouldn't like hot-swapping or is it ok? Mar 20 20:06:46 you can't hot-swap on gta01 Mar 20 20:07:16 Digital_Pioneer: i told you about the dummy parameter several times already ;) Do you use away-log? Mar 20 20:08:07 PaulFertser: I never actually _set_ myself as away. Mar 20 20:09:18 Digital_Pioneer: ha-ha, always online, makes you feel better, doesn't it? ;) Mar 20 20:09:49 Meh, I just don't think about it. Mar 20 20:11:30 yup, the batteries still had juice :) Mar 20 20:11:43 Digital_Pioneer: so, are you going to actually try gsm calls with the latest FSO version? Mar 20 20:12:23 * balrog-kun wonders if the battery meter will work with new kernels... last time i used the gta02 it wouldn't work possibly because it's a v3 Mar 20 20:12:33 and a gta01 battery Mar 20 20:13:26 PaulFertser: Uhh, just plain old boring GSM? Mar 20 20:13:59 SHR uses FSO, no? So I guess I do that all the time. Mar 20 20:15:14 Digital_Pioneer: voip over bluetooth is more tricky, nobody actually implemented all the stuff to do it in a clean way, but i can give you some hints. But i'm not sure if alsa plugin works well with SCO and therefore i can't tell if any voip app will be able to use it. Mar 20 20:16:15 PaulFertser: I don't use VOIP, seeing as I don't have GPRS. Mar 20 20:16:20 Just GSM. Mar 20 20:17:06 Digital_Pioneer: yes, gsm. But you need recent framework for that. Do you already have that? Mar 20 20:18:55 PaulFertser: Yeah, it finally updated. Mar 20 20:19:32 Digital_Pioneer: you need to tell framework you have a headset. Use SetBTHeadsetAddress on org.freesmartphone.Phone. Mar 20 20:19:47 Digital_Pioneer: and enable it with SetBTHeadsetEnabled Mar 20 20:20:28 balrog-kun: hey, good to see you're back. can we expect the tickless clock soon? word is on the street, the kernel will get into its final stabilization phase Mar 20 20:21:58 mickey|tv: oh, maybe during the trip, i'll remember to clone the kernel tree on my laptop Mar 20 20:22:03 i'm leaving in the morning Mar 20 20:22:09 cool Mar 20 20:22:13 thanks Mar 20 20:23:32 PaulFertser: Just to be sure, uhh, frameworkd should be running right? So `pgrep frameworkd` should give a PID? Mar 20 20:23:39 Digital_Pioneer: :) Mar 20 20:24:06 frameworkd exits with 255 a few seconds after I run it. Mar 20 20:24:13 That could be problematic, no? Mar 20 20:24:18 Digital_Pioneer: run it from the console to see the output Mar 20 20:24:20 when my openmoko reboots it only displays the logo nothing happends but if i press the aux button i get into the menu and choose flash it works fine Mar 20 20:24:28 PaulFertser: It has none. Mar 20 20:24:58 zer have you attempted to flash uboot or qi recently? Mar 20 20:25:08 tig|: no Mar 20 20:25:30 zer: does it make a difference if the phone is plugged into a PC over USB when you reboot it? Mar 20 20:25:34 mickey|tv: i suppose we want it in andy-tracking first, not against mainline? Mar 20 20:25:38 FTR, I have frameworkd 0.8.5.1+gitr1227+fb14e3806f166d067ad0d961efa3f44aba3b0ef4-r0 Mar 20 20:25:38 i have only updated uboot once, when i got my phone and it was becuase it did not work at the time Mar 20 20:25:42 hmm Mar 20 20:25:45 mmontour: yes maybe Mar 20 20:25:49 mickey|tv: probably there aren't big differences there, but just to be sure Mar 20 20:25:51 balrog-kun: correct. andy-tracking will become the new stable one Mar 20 20:26:00 there was an old u-boot bug that would do that Mar 20 20:26:04 i expect very few changes in the future to andy-tracking Mar 20 20:26:10 so we have a chance to finally get something solid Mar 20 20:26:29 mickey|tv: what about getting something upstream? Mar 20 20:26:41 i booted it without the usb cable, it still just displays the openmoko logo Mar 20 20:26:41 balaji still working on that iirc Mar 20 20:26:47 i have to remove the battery to reboot it Mar 20 20:27:02 mickey|tv: i mean if it won't track upstream so closely, it can be more and more hard to do that... Mar 20 20:28:07 true Mar 20 20:28:20 but i'd rather have something completely diverged than tracking upstream forever Mar 20 20:28:24 i'm getting old Mar 20 20:28:27 i want a solid kernel Mar 20 20:28:31 and i don't care whether it's a bit old Mar 20 20:28:33 sorry Mar 20 20:28:40 haha Mar 20 20:28:48 old geezer Mar 20 20:28:52 zer: I have to go to a meeting now but I'll check back later if you're still having trouble Mar 20 20:28:52 And end with something like handhelds obsolete kernels for plenty of cool devices? Mar 20 20:29:05 mmontour: ok Mar 20 20:29:07 thanks Mar 20 20:29:09 PaulFertser: So what do I do when frameworkd exits without any output? :\ Mar 20 20:29:35 PaulFertser: the problem with handhelds kernel was that it was never finished _and_ diverging from upstream Mar 20 20:29:42 i don't care as long as everyhing works Mar 20 20:29:52 then i don't care about diverging any longer Mar 20 20:29:56 anyways, back to wifey Mar 20 20:29:57 l8er Mar 20 20:30:00 :) Mar 20 20:32:01 freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * r6ac870676f97 10/vapi/evas.vapi: evas/elm name_get|set Mar 20 20:35:02 Digital_Pioneer: ok, you version is recent enough. As to the silent exit... It shouldn't do it silently. Was your upgrade smooth? Mar 20 20:35:18 Yeah. Mar 20 20:35:41 http://pastebin.ca/1366494 <<< python -v /usr/bin/frameworkd Mar 20 20:38:40 I stole its configuration file, and it complained, but when I gave it an empty one, it still complained but also said this: Mar 20 20:38:48 2009.03.20 15:37:51.618 frameworkd.controller ERROR dbus bus name org.freesmartphone.frameworkd already claimed. Exiting. Mar 20 20:39:18 Digital_Pioneer: it means frameworkd already running. Mar 20 20:39:45 * Digital_Pioneer shrugs. How do I know? :P Mar 20 20:40:05 Ahh, pgrep just doesn't find it. Mar 20 20:40:33 After the long, arduous task of writing ps aux | grep frameworkd, I finally found it... Hahah Mar 20 20:41:50 pgrep wtf Mar 20 20:43:07 PaulFertser: OK, I'm playing with mdbus here, there doesn't appear to be an org.freesmartphone.Phone Mar 20 20:43:24 Digital_Pioneer: on the org.freesmartphone.ophoned bus? Mar 20 20:43:42 Oh, ophoned Mar 20 20:43:49 Yeah, GSM stuff Mar 20 20:44:44 So, since I've never really used mdbus before (except copy and paste) how do I do this exactly? :\ Mar 20 20:46:01 Digital_Pioneer: use mdbus -s to see available buses. Use mdbus -s bus to see available interfaces. Use mdbus -s bus interface to see available functions. Use mdbus -s bus interface function function arguments Mar 20 20:46:37 PaulFertser: All /org/freesmartphone/Phone/ has is GSM stuff Mar 20 20:47:37 Digital_Pioneer: have you actually restarted frameworkd after you upgraded? Mar 20 20:48:12 Well, it was SUPPOSED to do it automatically. Mar 20 20:48:25 But somewhere along the way, /var/run/frameworkd.pid got screwed up. Fixed it. Mar 20 20:49:12 freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * r3b35a90b8056 10/vapi/evas.vapi: return of const *char translates to a 'weak string' or we free too much. this works now. Mar 20 20:49:49 Ack, I'm just gonna reboot the thing. LOL Mar 20 20:50:07 Digital_Pioneer: only the frameworkd Mar 20 20:51:07 No, I'm rebooting the phone. Restarting frameworkd seems to have confused things. Mar 20 20:51:22 It wouldn't make calls anymore. Mar 20 20:54:21 zer: I'm back. Still having that booting problem? Mar 20 20:55:28 PaulFertser: OK, it's acting normal again now. But /org/freesmartphone/Phone appears to be empty. Mar 20 20:55:53 Digital_Pioneer: same for me... Let me look... Mar 20 20:56:59 * DocScrutinizer swears. tape of 100 0402 and no idea of type of component Mar 20 21:00:08 Digital_Pioneer: looks like headset.py line 103 causes problems... Mar 20 21:02:14 PaulFertser: Should I have that somewhere? Mar 20 21:02:45 Digital_Pioneer: in the frameworkd log Mar 20 21:03:38 Ugh, can I get a real `less` on this thing?... :( Mar 20 21:04:56 * DocScrutinizer kicks ass busybox >:-( Mar 20 21:05:19 Digital_Pioneer: to me it was python2.5 incompatibility Mar 20 21:06:09 how many of each of these enlightenment modules, i.e. wifiget, batget etc, should be running? multiple copies of each? Mar 20 21:06:26 Digital_Pioneer: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ophoned /org/freesmartphone/Phone works for me Mar 20 21:07:06 Yeah, works for me too, but how was I supposed to know I was supposed to do that? Hahah Mar 20 21:07:15 I'm stupid, remember? ;D Mar 20 21:08:02 Digital_Pioneer: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ophoned /org/freesmartphone/Phone org.freesmartphone.Phone.SetBTHeadsetAddress 00:11:22 ? Mar 20 21:08:23 Digital_Pioneer: btw, you should use at least part of the new rules.yaml file Mar 20 21:08:38 OK, where do I get it? Mar 20 21:10:35 Digital_Pioneer: in git it's in etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd, you should have http://pastebin.com/m2938e4 Mar 20 21:13:12 PaulFertser: And that totally replaces the "while: CallStatus()" section I had before? Mar 20 21:13:33 Or adds onto it? Mar 20 21:14:20 lxde defaults for a phone is not adequate Mar 20 21:14:31 Digital_Pioneer: http://pastebin.com/m22fab501 Mar 20 21:15:20 Digital_Pioneer: and don't forget to call org.freesmartphone.Phone.SetBTHeadsetEnabled Mar 20 21:17:40 freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * rf34ef380ce5c 10/vapi/evas.vapi: add Evas.Object.visible_get(). Tested. Mar 20 21:17:50 OK, do I restart frameworkd after changing rules.yaml? Mar 20 21:17:53 Digital_Pioneer: yes Mar 20 21:19:00 Digital_Pioneer: and repeat the calls to SetBTHeadsetAddress and then to SetBTHeadsetEnabled Mar 20 21:19:16 I haven't made them yet... Heheh Mar 20 21:19:51 Does it take frameworkd a while to get back on its feet or something?... Mar 20 21:20:06 Ahh, yes, there they are. Mar 20 21:25:20 PaulFertser: So theoretically, BT should work after doing all that? Mar 20 21:25:55 Digital_Pioneer: yes Mar 20 21:26:44 Digital_Pioneer: provided you have a good statefile. I don't know if the stock one is good enough, but you can at least try. Mar 20 21:29:05 PaulFertser: Restarting frameworkd killed my phone... Mar 20 21:29:12 It won't make calls anymore. Mar 20 21:29:23 Digital_Pioneer: but at least you'll hear static in your headset during calls, even if the state file is incorrect Mar 20 21:29:28 Digital_Pioneer: read the frameworkd log Mar 20 21:30:03 Ahh, my headset beeped, which means something connected to it... On restarting frameworkd. Mar 20 21:30:40 Digital_Pioneer: you need to use http://www.robsims.com/GSMBLUETOOTH.txt state file. Wait a bit, i'll tell you how it should be called. Mar 20 21:31:45 Digital_Pioneer: it should be called gsmbluetooth.state Mar 20 21:31:56 Failed to handle dbus error: Resource Device is not enabled, current status is 'disabled', 69 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code32 Mar 20 21:32:03 From dialer. Mar 20 21:32:43 Digital_Pioneer: you might need to restart ophonekitd after restarting frameworkd. Mar 20 21:33:07 Is there a good way to do that, other than killing it and starting it again? Mar 20 21:33:24 Hi all Mar 20 21:33:29 Digital_Pioneer: i still don't know :) Mar 20 21:33:34 Hahah Mar 20 21:34:01 * Digital_Pioneer waits for GSM to reregister. Mar 20 21:35:19 Hi All! Mar 20 21:35:36 Hi Mar 20 21:36:34 Does we have stable project currently on the Neo ? I mean use Neo as usual phone ? Mar 20 21:36:52 PaulFertser: Ugh, now the dbus call is erroring. Mar 20 21:36:58 /org/freesmartphone/Phone: SetBTHeadsetAddress failed: org.freesmartphone.Phone.HeadsetError Mar 20 21:37:51 any update , Mar 20 21:37:53 ? Mar 20 21:38:31 Digital_Pioneer: anything in the log? Mar 20 21:39:53 Inc_Vega3: some people (not me) are using the FR as their only phone. There is still lots of work to be done before it can really be called consumer-ready. "SHR" seems to be the most popular distribution at the moment. Mar 20 21:40:26 good Mar 20 21:40:33 still wait Mar 20 21:40:41 Digital_Pioneer: probably you're trying to set address while headset is already enabled? Mar 20 21:40:58 PaulFertser: Looks like it. So disable first? Mar 20 21:41:04 Digital_Pioneer: i guess Mar 20 21:42:05 I can see gentoo is developing :) Mar 20 21:50:21 Digital_Pioneer: have you stored the state file in the right place with the right name? Mar 20 21:51:29 I think. Mar 20 21:53:25 Digital_Pioneer: ok, so does anything work? :) Mar 20 21:55:10 GOT STATIC! Checking over statefile again. Mar 20 21:58:17