**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 03 18:36:14 2009 Apr 03 19:18:35 who uses android as the primary distro? Apr 03 19:18:42 bah Apr 03 19:30:36 * SpeedEvil rofls at PBecks comment. Apr 03 19:40:02 Is is posible to get a Neo Freerunner with Edge? Apr 03 19:40:37 OsteHovel^EEE: nope Apr 03 19:40:45 :( Apr 03 19:44:46 Do the GPRS drain a lot of battery? (with display off) ... Apr 03 19:44:58 *Data transfer Apr 03 19:45:08 OsteHovel^EEE: what kind of workload do you want to measure, how far away from the base station should i be? Apr 03 19:45:25 Just pooling e-mail... Apr 03 19:45:38 & a IM-client Apr 03 19:45:59 I currently have a HTC Touch Pro :D That i have 2 battery Apr 03 19:46:06 's for... becouse it sucks battery Apr 03 19:46:16 OsteHovel^EEE: it'll be better than that, five hours maybe Apr 03 19:46:33 ok :P Apr 03 19:46:49 OsteHovel^EEE: most energy is wasted by the main cpu since it runs at 400 MHz all the time Apr 03 19:47:19 With High Load(Xvid movie) will the battery drain in within 3 houres? Apr 03 19:48:01 OsteHovel^EEE: not sure if you can play xvid movie in full screen at least Apr 03 19:48:09 ... Apr 03 19:48:10 Ok Apr 03 19:48:18 youtube is playable Apr 03 19:48:37 (but they have different quality videos there too so it is not good benchmark) Apr 03 19:49:11 I play 350mb tv episodes on my HTC Touch Pro... using CorePlayer(CLOSED-SOURCE :'( ) and it plays OK(it skips some frames) at 640x480(screen resoultion) fine :D Apr 03 19:49:15 OsteHovel^EEE: i keep an extra usb battery with me (was only $14) Apr 03 19:49:28 OsteHovel^EEE: does it use any hardware for decoding? Apr 03 19:49:32 Nope Apr 03 19:49:36 Only software... Apr 03 19:49:43 But CorePlayer is highly optimized... Apr 03 19:50:12 OsteHovel^EEE: do you have some tv episodes to test with? preferably some that you can legally distribute Apr 03 19:50:38 (hmm they are legal for me but i cant send them to you... becouse then i violate the law...) Apr 03 19:51:15 buhhh Apr 03 19:52:02 HTC Touch Pro has a 528mhz ... i do NOT recomand buying that device... it is Heavy but have a NICE keyboard...(i love that) but Windows Mobile is Sluggish... Closed-Source.... Crashing......Slow to start.... Apr 03 19:52:30 The only good thing about it is it uses about 2-3 secounds to shutdown... (unlike desktop windows that uses 10 minutes) Apr 03 19:53:25 (I will buy a Freerunner or other Openmoko phone when it get's Edge....) Apr 03 19:53:40 OsteHovel^EEE: freerunner can do some video decoding in hardware but that support is not in any software currently (there's only a patch to mplayer) Apr 03 19:53:47 Ok... Apr 03 19:53:53 OsteHovel^EEE: heh, i use 3G usb dongle with mine Apr 03 19:54:19 Is the hardware decoding for any codec? Xvid? Apr 03 19:55:08 OsteHovel^EEE: mpeg i think Apr 03 19:55:11 My Touch Pro has HDSPA so i can get 7.2 mbit/s down but my mobile provider just gives out 3.6 mbit :P Apr 03 19:55:16 Ok... Apr 03 19:55:36 The WLAN in Touch Pro SUCKS... Apr 03 19:55:48 It OVERHEAT the device if used too much... Apr 03 19:56:10 OsteHovel^EEE: in freerunner it's only sometimes unstable Apr 03 19:56:14 Ok Apr 03 19:56:57 What i realy want the Freerunner for it so i can create my own programs for my phone.... becouse with Windows Mobile it sucks to create applications... Apr 03 20:10:48 Do you use a 3g usb modem connect to the freerunner when you want high speeds? Apr 03 20:17:11 * mmontour gives openembedded one last chance to successfully build an image... Apr 03 20:17:38 OsteHovel^EEE: yep Apr 03 20:17:54 I SO want a Neo Freerunner :D Apr 03 20:23:08 ... and it falls on its face again. Openembedded, I'd like you to meet my old friend "rm -r". Apr 03 20:23:22 mmontour: too many files. Apr 03 20:23:27 mmontour: mke2fs Apr 03 20:24:44 hammer Apr 03 20:24:44 SpeedEvil: I've got other stuff on that partition, otherwise I probably would do that Apr 03 20:25:48 I'll give Debian a shot next. If that doesn't work, I'll either try gentoo or else build my own distro with the OpenSuSE build framework (just for the sheer hell of it) Apr 03 20:30:20 Are it posible to "suspend" the Neo so it draws less power from the battery but still rings when its incoming calls? Apr 03 20:31:56 OsteHovel^EEE: yes Apr 03 20:32:19 If you leave it in "sleep-mode"/suspend how much battery do you have then? Apr 03 20:33:51 About 2 days AFAIK (it's still work-in-progress and I haven't tested it myself) Apr 03 20:35:01 Ok :P Apr 03 20:35:35 I can buy 2 Neo Freerunner for the price for one HTC Touch Pro Apr 03 20:51:45 rooly! Apr 03 20:52:31 i am that person who you highlighted Apr 03 20:54:44 * ezekiel-v3 is not that person Apr 03 20:57:16 * mwester isn't either. Apr 03 20:59:42 so... Apr 03 20:59:45 go ahead and speak, dave Apr 03 21:10:19 rooly grows impatient, I fear... Dave! Wake up! Apr 03 21:11:25 * mirko-paroli is not sure if Dave is ever going to say anything ... Apr 03 21:11:54 * rooly finished growing Apr 03 21:12:06 * rooly is now impatient and marches off with a huff Apr 03 21:15:02 * mirko-paroli wonders how rooly is, apart from grown up ;) Apr 03 21:15:26 doin okay Apr 03 21:15:37 i gave up on certain endeavors Apr 03 21:15:51 hehe Apr 03 21:15:53 such as ? Apr 03 21:16:02 didn't you say you moved from home ? Apr 03 21:17:23 no, i did that a while back Apr 03 21:17:43 * mirko-paroli has lost track of time Apr 03 21:17:49 Do the battery drain fast if the GPRS connecting is on all the time? Apr 03 21:18:03 it's practically a phone call Apr 03 21:18:25 Ok :P Apr 03 21:18:56 rooly: so what did you give up on? Apr 03 21:19:09 Becouse on my HTC Touch Pro i have EDGE all day long connected.... (and it do not drain much "extra" power than not connected) Apr 03 21:20:07 OsteHovel^EEE: you have to remember that phone's battery last around a day.5 at best Apr 03 21:37:54 hmm Apr 03 21:38:10 is there really no future for openmoko? Apr 03 21:38:40 sure there is Apr 03 21:38:44 the sure is Apr 03 21:38:45 *there Apr 03 21:38:47 there even is a present and a past Apr 03 21:39:35 depends what you mean by "openmoko" (the company, the official distro, the community of FR owners, ...) Apr 03 21:43:33 Do the phone rings if i have an active data connection? Apr 03 21:45:44 ostehovel1, with gprs? yes it rings. Your data connection will be paused until you hangup. Apr 03 21:46:20 ok Apr 03 21:46:28 That like my Touch Pro... Apr 03 21:47:35 I love im.. so im gonna buy a Neo FreeRunner and make a Pool-ing app so i can pool my server at home to check for new im-messages.... (pool every 10-30 minutes) :D Apr 03 21:47:54 hot damn Apr 03 21:48:03 this makes me even want to boot up my freerunner, onen ;p Apr 03 21:48:19 * Dave points the deeply-discharged pile of freerunners -------------_> Apr 03 21:48:22 Becouse now i have a HTC Touch Pro with FUll Keyboard... and i have always MSN open... : Apr 03 21:48:33 ostehovel, well, lucky you :p Apr 03 21:48:47 And do HATE MSN's memmory leak's... Apr 03 21:49:10 (the version for windows mobile) Apr 03 21:50:28 Nite everybody... Apr 03 21:50:39 (i got Unlimited Data Plan) :D and that is NICE! Apr 03 21:50:45 :P Apr 03 21:50:48 mazzelpik :P Apr 03 21:51:22 But it costs 599 NOK (about 70 EUR) a Month... Apr 03 21:51:32 :o Apr 03 21:51:44 hvor i norge kommer du fra? Apr 03 21:51:50 Oslo :p Apr 03 21:51:55 :D Apr 03 21:52:01 Har du en eller? Apr 03 21:53:20 No :( Apr 03 22:12:29 What would be the name of wifi module on Freerunner? Apr 03 22:12:49 it's called the DoesntWork-1375 Apr 03 22:12:55 eth0 Apr 03 22:13:15 or do you mean the kernel module itself? Apr 03 22:13:21 Kernel module Apr 03 22:13:26 ar6000 Apr 03 22:13:44 mwester: It shows up as eth1 here (and the damn unconfigurable neod thinks it's eth0). Apr 03 22:16:47 I mean the company, because I read, that openmoko is dead Apr 03 22:17:28 It's just resting. Apr 03 22:17:48 I don't think OpenMoko is dead. But I do think that FIC had missed a big opportunity. Apr 03 22:19:50 honestly, i haven't seen much progress in the past few months either... Apr 03 22:20:10 FIC isn't openmoko anymore as I understand it Apr 03 22:20:17 i suppose it's the "community" of developers needs focus Apr 03 22:20:47 Serdar: the company has shifted its main focus Apr 03 22:21:13 mirko-paroli: To what exactly, though? Apr 03 22:21:21 To not dying. Apr 03 22:21:26 azaghal: hehe, "Plan B" :) Apr 03 22:21:38 mirko-paroli: World domination with the use of nano-chickens? Apr 03 22:21:44 B like in Broccoli? Apr 03 22:21:45 i meant software development... it looks like everyone is baking their own cake... Apr 03 22:21:52 azaghal: darn, was it that obvious? Apr 03 22:21:56 Yep Apr 03 22:22:15 LittleIdiot: I guess that the main issue is that there's still no single really usable distro :) Apr 03 22:22:19 * mirko-paroli shies away and hides the beta chicken Apr 03 22:22:28 I hade a focus on android and qt-extended Apr 03 22:22:41 many people try to develop & port their $favourite_full_blown_desktop distribution Apr 03 22:22:48 ...instead of helping the others Apr 03 22:22:54 Heck, I've been planning on writing a keyboard/key application for ages now (lazyness prevented me) Apr 03 22:23:07 And historically OMs attitude to source hasn't helped. Apr 03 22:23:34 And I'm sorry to say this, but I think that switching to e17 wasn't such a bright idea :) Apr 03 22:23:46 It isn't sufficient to just throw out piles of source occasionally of new apps announced a few weeks/months earlier as 'will be cool' with no other info. Apr 03 22:23:57 Which is what's seemed to happen at times. Apr 03 22:24:22 Maybe some kind of work on standards would be better. Apr 03 22:24:42 Standards in the sense of GUI. (since frameworkd is rather decent atm, probably) Apr 03 22:24:56 there are standards, but they tent to change them very often Apr 03 22:24:58 I.e. define what are the basic apps that need to be written first. Apr 03 22:25:00 The fact that we Apr 03 22:25:20 ve only got suspend sort-of-working in hardware that's been out for what - 9 months? Apr 03 22:25:22 First of all - it's a phone, so you need to have applications for basic phone usage _first_. :) Apr 03 22:25:27 is _so_ broken. Apr 03 22:25:33 azaghal: do you read the lists? Apr 03 22:25:42 at first the gsmd, now the qt framework, ahh and then there's gsm0710muxd as well... hmm ;) Apr 03 22:25:47 mirko-paroli: As you might guess - no :) Apr 03 22:25:55 azaghal: ok that explains it Apr 03 22:26:00 mirko-paroli: Anything useful there? If yes, I should join? Apr 03 22:26:07 those apps were mentioned Apr 03 22:26:10 and are being worked on Apr 03 22:26:13 and are working Apr 03 22:26:18 not as stable as I'd wish Apr 03 22:26:24 but it is not as simple as I had hoped :) Apr 03 22:26:29 Ah, but that's the problem. I know they are working :) Apr 03 22:26:45 But the "not as stable" is the real issue ;) Apr 03 22:27:03 hehe, but you wanted standards and to know the apps that need work first Apr 03 22:27:03 I got horny about my phone again, so it could happen I jump into the wagon. Apr 03 22:27:12 all I am saying is: those are specified Apr 03 22:27:16 and being worked on Apr 03 22:27:50 It's been going rather slow, though. (not that I bitch about it because I haven't contributed a single line of code yet) Apr 03 22:28:24 azaghal: sure I would love our progress to be instant, however that might be difficult to achieve Apr 03 22:28:46 and just for the record, I am not denying certain lack of speed Apr 03 22:28:55 Hm... How can I force kernel to use name 'eth0' and not 'eth1' for wifi? Apr 03 22:31:55 mirko-paroli: I actually do think that it's a pitty FIC hasn't put more resources into the whole thing earlier, though. They had a great window of opportunity :) Apr 03 22:32:44 azaghal: I completely share that view Apr 03 22:33:09 and certainly hope there will be a free and reliable phone at some point soon Apr 03 22:33:09 After an initial dissappointment, now that I look at the device again, it's really not that bad at all. Apr 03 22:33:24 It has a better screen than N810, for example. Apr 03 22:33:35 The _device_ - even GTA01 was _quite_ fine for a phone Apr 03 22:33:41 azaghal: poke around in /etc/udev/rules.d, look for a rule associating eth0/eth1 with a mac address or something Apr 03 22:34:06 Could play QVGA preencoded video fullscreen no-probem forex. Apr 03 22:34:11 but .. Apr 03 22:36:50 Although, the _good_ thing is that it's Free Software, so basically we can keep going :) Apr 03 22:38:42 mmontour: Thanks, I think I've found it in 70-persistent-net.rules :) Apr 03 22:38:54 Now I can make a note on Hackable:1 trac ;) Apr 03 22:40:06 Oh, and the idea of that big pen as a stylus - very bad idea :) When I switched to using N770's stylus I felt like reborn ;) Apr 03 22:40:21 (only then did I realise how good/sensitive the touchscreen was) Apr 03 22:41:01 mmontour: It worked :) Thanks once again ;) Apr 03 22:41:11 np Apr 03 22:45:02 Do you people think it'd be an overkill to enable Composite extension and start xcompmgr just in order to have a transparent keyboard-window? Apr 03 22:46:28 yay. claws mail works now =] Apr 03 23:31:16 Nexuiz 2.5 Is out! :D Get it now! http://alientrap.org/nexuiz/ http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4821677 Apr 03 23:36:01 Wha'? It got ported to Neo as well? ;) Apr 03 23:44:49 hee Apr 03 23:45:04 lol :) Apr 03 23:55:12 so say I wanted to intercept SMS before passing it off to userland apps, would I be modifying ophonekitd, or frameworkd? Apr 03 23:56:07 I want to use sms to facilitate a push type mechanism for email (like the brokeberry) Apr 03 23:56:28 I figure since the modem is still active while the mail cpu is sleeping, that would be the way to do it Apr 03 23:56:34 s/mail/main/g Apr 03 23:56:35 ndnihil meant: I figure since the modem is still active while the main cpu is sleeping, that would be the way to do it Apr 03 23:56:39 * ndnihil stabs apt Apr 03 23:56:42 :O Apr 03 23:56:47 apt kill ndnihil Apr 03 23:56:55 * Dave sics apt on ndnihil Apr 03 23:56:58 heheh Apr 03 23:58:35 I'm thinking about a mail checking script/app on a server somewhere that monitors your inbox, and sends a public key token byw ay of sms that will wake the device up and tell it to check mail Apr 03 23:58:59 s/byw ay/by way/stabapt Apr 04 00:00:15 o_O Apr 04 00:00:17 this could be done with regular sms I'm sure, but I'd like to hide the mail check tokens from the user Apr 04 00:00:21 heh, bleh Apr 04 00:00:33 I dislike how people are totally abusing the sms protocol nowadays Apr 04 00:00:40 sure, maybe it's handy... but still... Apr 04 00:00:47 mostly it's for gimmicky shit though Apr 04 00:00:54 eh, do you have a better solution for those needs? Apr 04 00:01:01 can't leave the CPU awake all the time Apr 04 00:01:07 battery life would go to shit Apr 04 00:01:52 I imagine RIM is doing something very similar Apr 04 00:04:27 heh heh Apr 04 00:04:45 yeah, in their own rimmy push style ;p Apr 04 00:05:29 blackberry enterprise server is a bloated and unstable piece of crap Apr 04 00:05:55 have to re-register the device at least once a week Apr 04 00:07:27 right Apr 04 00:07:34 lollerbes Apr 04 00:08:19 I'd totally opt for a lightweight perl script cron'd at 5 minute intervals Apr 04 00:08:59 I'd even write it! Apr 04 00:09:01 ;D Apr 04 00:09:48 so which handles SMS before passing it to userland, ophonekitd or frameworkd? Apr 04 00:10:06 or am I missing something else entirely Apr 04 00:13:23 Haha, I didn't know Linus used Tango :P Apr 04 00:18:26 tangogps? heh Apr 04 00:19:28 hell yeah Apr 04 01:25:35 Anyone know what "Project B" is? Apr 04 01:25:49 its the demise of open phones Apr 04 01:25:52 apparently Apr 04 01:26:50 Key! Apr 04 01:26:53 Hey Ken :) Apr 04 01:27:10 Hi Dave - how are things Down South? Apr 04 01:29:16 oh heh Apr 04 01:29:23 Well now that the storm's gone... okay :) Apr 04 01:29:44 and I was able to macgyver up a freerunner jumping system with some paper and scotch tape and a couple scraps of wire Apr 04 01:29:48 so all in all, good Apr 04 01:30:04 I'm hoping to install the new version of tango and orrery on this one I jumped and play around with them tonight Apr 04 01:30:13 I've already updated some things, and have a position fix :) Apr 04 01:30:54 My efforts always end up more MacGruber than MacGyver. Apr 04 01:31:11 hehe Apr 04 01:32:03 wtf is alice, err mcgruber? Apr 04 01:32:44 A Saturday Night Live MacGyver parody. Apr 04 01:33:35 :D Apr 04 01:33:54 * DocScrutinizer thought it's impossible to make a parody of mcgyver. as he's actually nonsense enough out of its own Apr 04 01:33:59 Hooray, 4.20V! Apr 04 01:34:06 woohoo Apr 04 01:34:15 I'm fully charged :) Apr 04 01:34:30 prepare for detonation! XD Apr 04 01:34:31 * Dave gives Joerg a beer Apr 04 01:34:36 hahaha UH OH Apr 04 01:35:58 (beer) any left over now that you are fully charged? ;) Apr 04 01:36:19 oh hehe, yeah :P Apr 04 01:38:39 So... what to do now then? :D Apr 04 01:41:13 so when i get a freerunner, does it come with gentoo pre-installed? Apr 04 01:42:07 what? Noooo Apr 04 01:42:07 i am thinking of getting one, but i think i read somewhere that people were having troubles even with phone calls Apr 04 01:42:29 is it stable enough Apr 04 01:43:14 dyf, The situation has improved a lot. Many users (myself included) find it usable. Apr 04 01:43:33 ooompf gentoo preinstalled. the sources yeah, for native. XD Apr 04 01:44:07 sorry Apr 04 01:44:30 * DocScrutinizer still doesn't like gentoo Apr 04 01:45:38 the distributor here says they can install android on it Apr 04 01:45:43 before shipping it to me Apr 04 01:45:49 :) Apr 04 01:45:58 that reminds me... Apr 04 01:46:03 * Dave prods nuclear_eclipse Apr 04 01:46:07 hey rooly Apr 04 01:47:57 dyf: the whole point of Neo and OM is you install the software yourself Apr 04 01:48:39 and you for sure will want to do this anyway, if FR is the right device for you Apr 04 01:48:40 DocScrutinizer: i know, but i personally don't want to fiddle too much.. i mean i still want a usable cell phone.. Apr 04 01:49:09 dyf, If you don't enjoy fiddling, don't get an OM phone. Apr 04 01:49:16 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r98cb27d28291 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/unsolicited.py: Apr 04 01:49:16 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Acknowledge status report messages right away Apr 04 01:49:16 freesmartphone.org: Status reports need to be acknowledged with AT+CNMA=1, but we want to do Apr 04 01:49:16 freesmartphone.org: that every time. There's nothing to be gained from deferring this to the Apr 04 01:49:16 freesmartphone.org: DBus client. Apr 04 01:49:18 so I wouldn't advice you to buy a FR Apr 04 01:50:04 what would you guys do if you accidentally install something that screws up the phone and you had to leave for 2 days.. for camping or something Apr 04 01:50:13 you don't have a usable phone Apr 04 01:50:24 dyf, Reflash and fix it. Apr 04 01:50:47 Make sure you have it set up just the way you want, before leaving for a trip or anything Apr 04 01:51:17 take a fallback installation on uSD with me Apr 04 01:51:43 Boot from USB hard drive. Apr 04 01:51:59 so yeah Apr 04 01:52:02 * rooly sighs Apr 04 01:52:04 stupid stuff Apr 04 01:52:16 :| Apr 04 01:52:20 more trouble, rooly? Apr 04 01:52:23 or just same old shit? Apr 04 01:52:25 oh, no Apr 04 01:52:27 to be honest I have an emergency partition on every computer I use Apr 04 01:52:44 i didn't realize how many parts it takes to build a pringlantenne Apr 04 01:52:46 oh, so you're one of those? Apr 04 01:52:58 hahaha Apr 04 01:53:01 howdy Dave Apr 04 01:53:03 :D Apr 04 01:53:15 what's happen Apr 04 01:53:16 you sold your soul, right nuclear? :P Apr 04 01:53:20 we were just talking about android :p Apr 04 01:53:36 not my soul, just my rights ;) Apr 04 01:53:47 then I just brought a freerunner back from the dead, so I'm thinking... what can I do now that it's fully charged? Apr 04 01:53:55 play one of those old crappy freerunner games? Apr 04 01:53:57 NET Apr 04 01:54:00 play Duke Nukem 3D :P Apr 04 01:54:17 play wolfenstien! Apr 04 01:54:24 or casltevania Apr 04 01:54:27 wait Apr 04 01:54:30 you said freerunner Apr 04 01:54:32 it's ok Dave, I've been playing Net on both my PC and my G1 for months :P Apr 04 01:55:05 yeah... Apr 04 01:55:06 make a nice voltage vs time diagram of the bat discharging on modem until trickle jumps in Apr 04 01:55:08 I don't have those installed... Apr 04 01:55:16 Nuclear, it never gets old! Apr 04 01:55:34 Joerg, do we have an app to do that! or do you want me to just log the values? :) Apr 04 01:55:35 Dave: aptitudo install sgt-puzzles Apr 04 01:55:42 :D Apr 04 01:56:23 \o/ Apr 04 01:56:27 ahh a nice log is a good base for a diagram (use any decent spreadsheet sw) ;) Apr 04 01:56:35 it's been in the Ubuntu repos at least since 8.04 Apr 04 01:56:35 Also, my freerunner just traveled back in time again Apr 04 01:56:42 Joerg, yup! Apr 04 01:57:00 Hmm, I forget how to collect CELL ID's using AT Apr 04 01:57:45 * mmontour has one of those voltage graphs somewhere Apr 04 01:58:08 :D Apr 04 01:58:14 mmontour: I want another one ;) Apr 04 01:58:19 I need to quickly write an all important data logger for FR Apr 04 01:58:42 watch, mine will have asymptotes :p Apr 04 01:59:26 eeew, is there a medicine or other remedy for that? Apr 04 01:59:38 hehe Apr 04 01:59:41 oh god :P Apr 04 01:59:47 joerg++ Apr 04 02:03:05 my fso-console rootfs with updated patched kernel is charging bat all the time it seems. Apr 04 02:03:22 :) Apr 04 02:03:33 occasionally stopping every once in a while for 30sec Apr 04 02:03:57 (power -mblue) Apr 04 02:04:19 yeah Apr 04 02:04:22 that's by design Apr 04 02:04:25 s/-m/->/ Apr 04 02:05:03 that's mere nonsense :-) anyway I'm fine with it Apr 04 02:06:12 :) Apr 04 02:06:15 bat mnf surely didn't mean this 30sec when talking about stopping charging Apr 04 02:07:32 but I'm still sure there's no sense in switching off charging if it stopps by const-V anyway (current going to zero) Apr 04 02:08:04 no current to me means charging stopped Apr 04 02:09:07 but "manuf said bat will die if we don't stop charging" so we actually DO stop it for 30sec every 90min or so Apr 04 02:09:56 everybody happy. nonsense completed. goal reached XD Apr 04 02:15:04 Needless complexity, DocScrutinizer -- sometimes it seems inevitable. Apr 04 02:16:37 right Apr 04 02:16:55 Welcome to Openmoko! Apr 04 02:17:00 (or what's left of it, anyway) :\ Apr 04 02:18:00 anyway my bat is being "charged" for ~6weeks now without any negative effects Apr 04 02:19:55 Dave: still I'm not convinced bat won't reach the voltage where auto-tricklecharge starts again even when it's discharged to ~60% Apr 04 02:21:18 or let me put it this way: I think bat should reach a voltage where trickle starts, when bat is discharged to maybe 85%, not 50% Apr 04 02:21:33 charging re-started around 75-80% in my test (IIRC) Apr 04 02:21:40 how the crap do I avoid these segfaults using vagalume in shr? just when seems to becieving something Apr 04 02:22:27 *receiving Apr 04 02:27:11 mmontour: so my suggestion would be to implement a choice for a)max charge state all the time (keep constV on all the time) or b) max bat livetime (keeping bat between 75% and sth like 90% by using autotrickle and Vmax ~4.05 which will result in less ageing) Apr 04 02:31:42 I'd be a bit worried about a) if the manufacturer says not to do it. Might be safer to let it drain to 95-98% and then re-start charging Apr 04 02:32:22 A "max lifetime" option would be nice. I've often wished that my laptop could do that Apr 04 02:38:50 badcloud ;D Apr 04 02:41:34 Virus Apr 04 02:42:46 davey Apr 04 02:47:34 ;p **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 04 02:59:57 2009