**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 08 02:59:57 2009 Apr 08 03:07:13 Hi, I just tried to flash moko11 to the gsm modem using the uSD image, however instead of the green done, it goes to the anstrom screen. I get the error (in blue), ...submission failed check fluid.exe does this mean it didn't flash? Apr 08 03:08:16 zeroedout: wait a linger longer.. I got some blue too but eventually got the green Apr 08 03:09:15 I got the green, but not a done, just the angstrom ascii text Apr 08 03:09:23 are there plans or is there already a keyboard available for shr which mimics a conventional phone nine key keyboard for sms ? Apr 08 03:14:59 hipitihop: some good keyboards at opkg.org Apr 08 03:22:53 hmm anyone know of a opkg package for vim? the busybox vi is fail. Apr 08 03:23:04 opkg install nano Apr 08 03:23:36 i sail vim Apr 08 03:23:40 or install the Debian package :p Apr 08 03:24:11 After 15 years, I still don't get why modal editing makes sense. Apr 08 03:24:51 i have a backup of my debian flash image, giving sha go right nowr Apr 08 03:30:56 mbufmanager Apr 08 03:46:04 fredrin: thanks... trying to download grdipad actually, seems like http://www.om.vptt.ch/ is down or something Apr 08 03:47:13 at least from here, anyone else can get to the page ? Apr 08 03:49:36 nope, I couldn't. Apr 08 04:00:19 anyone know if there is an alternate repository or location I can get gridpad_2.1-r0.1_armv4t.ipk & libfakekey0_0.2+svnr1455-r1_armv4t.ipk from ? Apr 08 05:19:44 well Apr 08 06:23:34 Hey gfather1 :) Apr 08 06:23:45 gfather1: how are you? Apr 08 06:24:28 is ther some whay to like delete a word with the illumne keyboard? Apr 08 06:28:07 backspace key Apr 08 06:32:46 ndnihil: that's just caracter per caracter, like if I type a name that's not in the dictionary, and then one of the first caracters of the word is misspelled, i need to hit delete many time's Apr 08 06:33:37 what kind of 20+ letter words are you typing that it becomes cumbersom one char at a time? Apr 08 06:33:46 s/cumbersom/cumbersome/g Apr 08 06:33:47 ndnihil meant: what kind of 20+ letter words are you typing that it becomes cumbersome one char at a time? Apr 08 06:33:51 * ndnihil stabs apt Apr 08 06:33:54 like i type 'f5edrin' and i need to delete letter by letter, like five times Apr 08 06:34:10 better to just delete the whole word and then start to write again Apr 08 06:34:26 install openoffice Apr 08 06:34:34 I'm sure it'll have a macro for that Apr 08 06:35:05 talking about the keyboard in illumne Apr 08 06:35:21 that's not a keyboard specific function Apr 08 06:35:25 that's application level Apr 08 06:35:31 like when you type sms, or names in contacts lists Apr 08 06:35:49 the keyboard uses a dictionary Apr 08 06:36:19 are you talking about predictive text? Apr 08 06:36:49 no, about the keyboard used in illumne.... or shr or openmoko distros Apr 08 06:37:54 applications use dictionaries and are what would handle whole-word delete Apr 08 06:38:02 the keyboard is an input device Apr 08 06:39:44 ugh, python is friggen annoying Apr 08 06:39:54 you have to re-indent entire code blocks when testing things Apr 08 06:40:10 good morning Apr 08 06:40:18 hi methril Apr 08 06:45:08 ndnihil: can't your editor do it for you with a simple short-cut? Apr 08 06:45:35 vi can do anything Apr 08 06:45:40 that doesn't make it not annoying Apr 08 06:46:23 ndnihil: why? If reindeting is a matter of pressing 2-3 buttons? Apr 08 06:46:45 ndnihil: in fact you can force it to always reindent on any change. Apr 08 06:47:38 and you've got a vi/vim recipe for that? Apr 08 06:50:05 ndnihil: "you can tell Vim to reindent the whole file every time you press enter in insert-mode." http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Indenting_source_code Apr 08 06:50:47 Guys, have anyone tried to disable slowing down uSD access when GPS is turned on (provided you have a hardware fix)? Apr 08 06:50:53 interesting, but regardless of editor capabilities, I find it a bit silly that python is so dependent on indentation Apr 08 06:51:05 * raster hi-5's ndnihil Apr 08 06:51:15 word raster Apr 08 06:52:00 python and the universe of raster.. do not mix well. a bit like milk and motor oil. Apr 08 06:52:14 that's very understandable Apr 08 06:52:32 ndnihil: the indentation debate is so utterly pointless that i'm amazed to see it that often. In real life it's maximum a minor inconvenience if not a win (considering python is aimed at inexperienced programmers). Apr 08 06:52:56 right, because quirks like that are just what make things easy for noobs Apr 08 06:53:10 ndnihil: it was created to be used in modern enough editors, sure "ed" is not up to the task. Apr 08 06:54:44 DAVE Apr 08 06:54:45 if that's the case, it was a poor choice for being used on a phone, where you get vi and very little in the way of "modern" editors Apr 08 06:56:19 I don't mean to spark a religious debate, but my personal preference is something styled more like C/perl Apr 08 06:56:34 or the almighty bash! Apr 08 06:56:51 problem with c is.. if u dev ON the device Apr 08 06:56:55 u need not just a good editor Apr 08 06:56:57 but gcc Apr 08 06:56:59 headers Apr 08 06:57:01 binutils Apr 08 06:57:08 yeah Apr 08 06:57:09 and in reality u also now need m4, autoconf,automake etc. Apr 08 06:57:15 already installed :) Apr 08 06:57:22 i'd ship that.. if u had like 1g of flash Apr 08 06:57:27 ndnihil: ahem, perl with all that funky ideas "do_that_thing unless something"? Apr 08 06:57:38 but on a small bit of flash like 128m or 256m it's not very practical Apr 08 06:57:42 but to be honest, I'm using sshfs and vim from the laptop Apr 08 06:58:03 the few C bits I've compiled were on the laptop Apr 08 06:58:06 raster: why not use some cheap SD instead? Performance issues? Apr 08 06:58:12 so I'm probably going to get rid of those packages Apr 08 06:58:23 got rid of a couple games too Apr 08 06:58:27 running low on space Apr 08 06:58:33 ndnihil: btw, vim (full) loads a bit slow on FR, but works ok. And it gives you time to think more ;) Apr 08 06:59:04 lol Apr 08 06:59:16 everything loads a bit slow on this thing Apr 08 06:59:27 not painful in most cases Apr 08 06:59:29 but noticeable Apr 08 06:59:58 PaulFertser tried to use the fatfingershell? Apr 08 07:00:03 * eolson wuggles python Apr 08 07:00:08 fredrin: not yet, i'm a Debian user. Apr 08 07:00:17 . o O (down with c) Apr 08 07:00:48 o/~ you down wit gcc? yeah you know me! o/~ Apr 08 07:01:07 ndnihil: anyway if your compile time is noticeable that will make you think in a more productive way, i hope. Apr 08 07:01:38 ndnihil, by the way, you can indent 10 lines in vim, by hitting "10", then ">>" Apr 08 07:02:00 and unindent with "<<" Apr 08 07:02:31 still a pain in the ass when you need to do that to 30+ lines just because you wanted to test without an if or a while Apr 08 07:03:00 ndnihil, i think it's a worthwhile tradeoff for code readability Apr 08 07:03:22 it's no more or less readable than any other scripted language Apr 08 07:03:47 ndnihil, depends on the programmer Apr 08 07:04:02 I'm big on going through and giving my code proper indentation, -after- I'm done working out the functionality aspect Apr 08 07:04:44 having to make it pretty while making it work is more effort Apr 08 07:04:54 more time Apr 08 07:04:55 etc.. Apr 08 07:05:18 it's a personal preference thing I guess Apr 08 07:05:33 maybe, but it's less typing, less keystrokes for me. All those c++ extra lines, brackets, etc. takes a lot more time Apr 08 07:06:48 ndnihil: with a proper editor it's "press tab for start indentation", "let the editor handle indentation for following lines" and "press backspace to unindent one level" Apr 08 07:07:07 vim does that Apr 08 07:07:11 as you're writing Apr 08 07:07:28 it can do that, if you want it to. Apr 08 07:07:34 but if you go back and modify something, you have to re-indent everything below it or it complains Apr 08 07:07:52 that's what you are doing anyway isn't it? Apr 08 07:08:06 no Apr 08 07:08:18 ok, not on modifying... Apr 08 07:08:46 the event that sparked my original comment was removing a while in a bit of code, and having to re-indent 25-30 lines below it for it to interpret properly Apr 08 07:09:08 don't get me wrong, i'm not fond of python (barely know it) or of that indentation "feature" (never used it but can't imagine that it's not annoying) Apr 08 07:09:46 that sucks. Apr 08 07:09:54 ndnihil, well, you could have replaced the while with "if 1:", but I can see if your used to doing things one way, it's not fun getting used to another way Apr 08 07:10:36 the "if 1:", was because you're debugging and you said you'd go back later and fix indents Apr 08 07:10:54 * ndnihil wonders if someone has already made a dbus perl module ipkg Apr 08 07:11:44 probably for the *wrt* thingies... Apr 08 07:49:28 good morning Apr 08 07:55:03 Hopscotch, Good morning Apr 08 07:55:05 good morning Apr 08 08:03:59 good morning :) Apr 08 08:04:11 morning. Apr 08 08:04:43 gfather: hey :) Apr 08 08:05:08 night :) Apr 08 08:05:15 morning M) Apr 08 08:06:31 PaulFertser hay m8 Apr 08 08:06:33 :) Apr 08 08:07:11 gfather: nice to hear your RTL dream is coming true ;) Apr 08 08:07:23 RTL? Apr 08 08:07:27 RTL? Apr 08 08:07:38 Right-to-Left Apr 08 08:08:03 A kind of perversion found in Hebrew and Arabic. Apr 08 08:10:09 yes :) Apr 08 08:10:14 its coming Apr 08 08:10:36 well at least i can say ., i did something for openmoko comunity :D Apr 08 08:12:54 is there anything strange when setting up shr as a nfs client? Apr 08 08:24:31 hi there, what you use to compile your openmoko image? i tried mokomakefile at ubuntu and different versions of suse, it doesn't work for me at all.. heared about toolchain, is this the tool i should use? Apr 08 08:25:26 (because the wiki is some kind of deprecated i think) Apr 08 08:25:41 the method described in the wiki works fine Apr 08 08:25:43 don't use openmoko (the distro) anymore mainly because it was so hard to compile Apr 08 08:25:49 +i Apr 08 08:25:57 mani|work, THe *only* thing I've gotten to work is mokomakefile, and I run Ubuntu. But I haven't rebuilt the thing in months. Apr 08 08:27:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Apr 08 08:27:14 ^worked fine on debian etch Apr 08 08:27:26 KenYoung: i already tried with suse 10.3, 11.0, 11.1 and an ubuntu version(don't know which one) .. one time it really did all precompile, but then it failed Apr 08 08:36:11 ah and btw, thanks ndnihil, i will try toolchain Apr 08 08:52:41 are there anything strange issues getting shr to be a nfs client? Apr 08 08:53:51 nothing stranger than normal NFS I'd imagine Apr 08 08:54:06 do you happen to know what the nfs opkg name is? Apr 08 08:54:26 opkg list |grep -i nfs Apr 08 08:54:45 it really depends on what repositories you have configured Apr 08 08:54:55 opkg list is a bit screwed Apr 08 08:55:08 opkg in general is a bit screwed Apr 08 08:55:12 heh Apr 08 08:55:29 what I do is after an opkg update, I opkg list > pkglist.txt Apr 08 08:55:31 and grep through that Apr 08 08:55:38 9999/win 13 Apr 08 08:55:41 doh Apr 08 08:55:43 s/ I / is /g Apr 08 09:05:03 where does nfsd log to, the neo keeps saying permission denied and i cant see why Apr 08 09:21:37 damn, cant even mount smb folder :( cifs and smbfs both look to be there, but does mount -t smbfs/cifs work, no :( Apr 08 09:23:05 sshfs works fine for me Apr 08 09:23:24 * Psi tries that Apr 08 09:29:02 i dont see sshfs on the neo, or in opkg list :( Apr 08 09:30:11 i need to mount a remote folder on the neo, not the other way around. Need to dd the sdcard to network share as a backup before trying different os Apr 08 09:34:44 Psi: dd + nc Apr 08 09:35:32 hm.. never used nc Apr 08 09:36:33 Psi: NFS? Apr 08 09:36:52 tried it, i cant figure out why it keeps saying permission denied on the neo Apr 08 09:37:16 Psi: nfs works for me well Apr 08 09:37:20 not even sure if its setup, there is no portmapper running that i could so Apr 08 09:37:22 Psi: start the nfs server with debugging options... what does your exports file look like? Apr 08 09:37:30 (shr-unstable, but it worked most of the time on any shr) Apr 08 09:37:43 im using shr stable, but want to try shr unstable Apr 08 09:37:50 need to backup sdcard first Apr 08 09:39:48 export file on server only has this.. /tmp 192.168.0.202(rw,sync,no_root_squash) Apr 08 09:40:40 Psi: showmount -e on the server says that too? Apr 08 09:41:13 showmount -e gives.. portmap getport: RPC: Success Apr 08 09:41:43 nothing else? then your exports are not really exported... try exportfs -ra and again showmount -e Apr 08 09:41:56 hm.. Apr 08 09:43:33 maybe i installed the wrong nfs server Apr 08 09:43:45 which one? Apr 08 09:43:55 i was using nfs-user-server Apr 08 09:44:02 in ubuntu Apr 08 09:44:17 ok, never used that one. i'd go for nfs-kernel-server Apr 08 09:44:26 yeah, thats what im doing now :) Apr 08 09:45:06 this looks better, its detected that my exports file is different to the custom one Apr 08 09:45:17 err, default one i mean Apr 08 09:48:03 heres what i get http://pastebin.com/d466c863e Apr 08 09:48:46 Psi: sudo... Apr 08 09:49:37 sudo gets rid of the last two lines of exportfs-ra but showmount -e is the same Apr 08 09:50:09 it shouldnt be saying 192.168.0.202:/tmp Apr 08 09:50:19 /tmp is local, not on the neo Apr 08 09:50:20 did you run both commands with sudo? i'm not sure about whether showmount works as a user. Apr 08 09:50:29 yeah, ran both Apr 08 09:50:45 Psi: nfs-kernel-server is running? portmap is running and listening not only on localhost? Apr 08 09:51:34 yay, its working now Apr 08 09:51:45 dunno what it was exactly but its mounting now Apr 08 09:51:51 cool :) Apr 08 09:52:05 showmount -e still only has that one line tho Apr 08 09:52:14 strange... Apr 08 09:52:36 thanks for your help Apr 08 09:53:51 welcome Apr 08 10:40:03 anyone online who has applied the buzzfix? Apr 08 10:40:29 the software or hardware buzzfix? Apr 08 10:40:34 I did the software one Apr 08 10:40:56 hardware Apr 08 10:41:01 it was better, but I think I might do the hardware one at a later point Apr 08 10:41:12 where are infos about the software fix? Apr 08 10:41:31 on the SHR tweaks wiki if I remember right Apr 08 10:41:58 that worked? Apr 08 10:42:03 it helped a bit Apr 08 11:24:35 feels like the community is going through a sour marriage; nothing left to talk about Apr 08 11:25:08 badcloud: git clone the kernel and start hacking ;) Apr 08 11:28:09 git? Apr 08 11:32:36 badcloud: yeah, the most popular DVCS Apr 08 11:33:41 anyone know which of the shr unstable images has working gsm Apr 08 11:33:46 for gta01 Apr 08 11:34:19 Didnt' work well for me last time I tried, but that was a March 20 build or so Apr 08 11:34:22 On GTA01 Apr 08 11:34:55 Haven't had any luck getting my 01 working with any distro since early march, and then it was only the vanilla FSO build that worked Apr 08 11:35:00 yeah, ive been using testing. but someone on the mailing list said unstable was just as stable and had much better apps Apr 08 11:35:19 i just tried one and it works except no gsm Apr 08 11:35:23 gta01 feels a bit left behind Apr 08 11:35:27 What kernel? Apr 08 11:35:28 gsm says it cant connect to dbus Apr 08 11:35:36 I had to use the 2.6.24 Apr 08 11:35:37 was 2.6.24 Apr 08 11:35:52 yeah, 2.6.28 wouldnt boot Apr 08 11:35:59 Heh, noticed that too Apr 08 11:36:13 debian has a 2.6.29 kernel for GTA02 that boots Apr 08 11:36:19 and works several hours Apr 08 11:36:24 i tried the full version, ie not lite Apr 08 11:36:29 but does not show battery data Apr 08 11:36:49 no idea about GTA01 though Apr 08 13:40:24 hello, how can i use "Minimal GTK gui" (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Python) on openmoko? with an desktop icon? Apr 08 14:09:12 is there a way to create a desktop icon to my own hello world application? Apr 08 14:09:23 sure Apr 08 14:11:54 can you give me a tip, what to search for? maybe a service or a library? Apr 08 14:12:19 searched for "openmoko desktop" "openmoko menu" "openmoko icon" X.x Apr 08 14:12:31 mani|work: afaik you have to put a file in some directory. i guess you will have to google for freedesktop.org desktop icon Apr 08 14:12:51 okay, thank you Apr 08 14:13:02 mani|work: or you could list the files of one of the application packages that provide an icon... Apr 08 14:13:27 thats a good idea, too :x Apr 08 14:43:19 openmoko dead? Apr 08 14:43:31 not yet, still kicking Apr 08 14:43:52 twitching Apr 08 14:43:53 the rumors of OM's death have been ... slightly exaggarated Apr 08 14:44:08 ZOM Apr 08 14:44:09 scratching the coffin Apr 08 14:44:11 (Zombie) Apr 08 14:44:22 It doesn't use batteries anymore, it uses Brains! Apr 08 14:44:49 It's clearly eaten it's founder's brain, quite some time ago! ;-) Apr 08 14:47:14 lets hope it's still around when I have some money, bye Apr 08 15:11:45 master of deception-openmoko Apr 08 15:12:27 u guys are just getting jerked around Apr 08 15:12:32 haha haha Apr 08 15:13:14 * mwester suspects linuxxr is typing into the wrong window Apr 08 15:15:00 sorry Apr 08 15:15:13 but your wrong Apr 08 15:17:12 Oh. But I fail to see whom you are responding to with your comments. Apr 08 15:17:56 his wrong? whose wrong? Apr 08 15:19:54 badcloud> feels like the community is going through a sour marriage; nothing left to talk about Apr 08 15:42:03 Oh fucking awesome. Now qte freezes upon boot Apr 08 16:02:02 Wow, nice! So many people here. Apr 08 16:03:28 moo Apr 08 16:03:49 not for long though Apr 08 16:04:06 How come? :) You mean the news hasn't filtered through yet? Apr 08 16:04:15 hrm, I may end up with someone's freerunner he doesn't want in a month or two Apr 08 16:04:36 and then I suppose I could go ahead with my magical überlisp environment stuff now that everything else is done Apr 08 16:05:21 Hmm... I actually wouldn't mind getting together with the rest of the people who might still be interested in openMoko stuff Apr 08 16:05:26 or, just give up and keep using my damn nokia 7610 that refuse to die Apr 08 16:05:36 Latecomer, I know, but it never came to our market anyway. Apr 08 16:05:42 sucks that the hardware is dead, but software lives on FOREVER Apr 08 16:05:42 * SpeedEvil ponders holding an openmoko conference. Apr 08 16:05:50 * SpeedEvil ponders holding an openmoko conference/gravel-moving party. Apr 08 16:05:57 What software> Apr 08 16:06:00 ?* Apr 08 16:06:07 unknown_lamer: the hardware may continue to exist. Apr 08 16:06:22 saracen: the entire fs.o software stack ... just because it is unfunded doesn't mean people won't be working on it Apr 08 16:06:30 as long as there are phones that can run gnu/linux ... Apr 08 16:06:37 ahoi Apr 08 16:06:52 unknown_lamer: rather - the hardware - GTA02 - looks like it's going to continue to be sold for the near future. Apr 08 16:07:09 SpeedEvil: sucks that things like the gsm recamping issue may be unsolvable :-\ Apr 08 16:07:10 It's the hardware design team that got - reportedly - mostly let go. Apr 08 16:07:35 unknown_lamer: though there looked to be progress on that on the ML perhaps Apr 08 16:07:39 shouldnt it have been the otherway around? ;x Apr 08 16:07:48 Sargun: ? Apr 08 16:07:52 sarac: Apr 08 16:07:54 SpeedEvil: the progress looks like oh no the chip gets too hot and ... well then, what really can be /done/ about that Apr 08 16:08:11 unknown_lamer: swap out the xtal Apr 08 16:08:13 I mean. The software can easily be continued by others. Hardware is a problem ;x Apr 08 16:08:17 SpeedEvil: 'tho 150 uA versus 30ish uA or whatever ... meh, uA don't matter so much Apr 08 16:08:37 saracen: the problem is _NOT_ the hardware. The GTA01 - (with some fixes) would have been a completely fine phone. Apr 08 16:08:54 oi, damn glamo mistake probably killed everything Apr 08 16:09:00 oh well, hindsight being what it is and all Apr 08 16:09:13 The unreadyness - in most cases - barring GSM buzz and stuff - forex. Apr 08 16:09:19 unknown_lamer: or foresight. Apr 08 16:09:26 I meant hardware is a problem for the community to continue. I don't mean, generically, it's a problem. Apr 08 16:09:32 unknown_lamer: /me is sure he posted this well before GTA02 launch. Apr 08 16:10:40 I wish everything wasn't written in python :) Apr 08 16:10:45 SpeedEvil, ? Apr 08 16:10:54 Sargun: sorry Apr 08 16:11:03 Sargun: my problem with completion again. Apr 08 16:11:15 How are you feeling? Apr 08 16:11:27 saracen: well, all hope may not be lost. TI is looking like they've gone from being proprietary nazis to normal proprietary people and so ... who knows, if /they/ can go from charging $$$ just to get info on their chips' instructions sets to sort-of supporting free software... Apr 08 16:11:47 Just been trying to clear up in garden - and not thinking of much - got 2* bulk bags of rubbish out. Apr 08 16:12:56 God damn old people talking about "old times" Apr 08 16:15:55 Ah, I remember when young whipper-snappers had proper respect for their elders, and didn't use foul language, and when they did, why, in my day, we used to wash out their mouths with soap, we did! Apr 08 16:16:14 * SpeedEvil haz pressure-washer with soap dispenser. Apr 08 16:16:18 mmm soap Apr 08 16:16:56 * tig| has general electric 7.62mm pram mounted toy launcher Apr 08 16:17:50 I can't get over how much faster SHR unstable is now :) Apr 08 18:13:18 recently heard openmoko is stopping producing mobile phones? is this correct? Apr 08 18:14:25 o rly? Apr 08 18:14:37 no Apr 08 18:14:42 jonsmith1982: GTA02 will still be produced for now. Development of future phone products has been suspended Apr 08 18:14:59 Over a ravine, with crocodiles in. Apr 08 18:15:07 Mmontour Apr 08 18:15:08 :) Apr 08 18:15:30 :) Apr 08 18:15:32 Thanks Apr 08 18:16:00 ~ugt Apr 08 18:16:01 methinks ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Apr 08 18:16:04 ~botsnack Apr 08 18:16:04 aw, gee, mickeyl Apr 08 18:17:48 why does it bother to say "any _other_ people" though Apr 08 18:18:17 I mean, it's not like the greetee's time matters Apr 08 18:18:18 just to insult you, mjr :P Apr 08 18:18:43 hehe Apr 08 18:18:49 apt, well, fuck you too! Apr 08 18:19:01 so is gta02 seen as capable of rivaling other smartphones or is the hardware lacking? Apr 08 18:19:30 i have a gta02 but have the buzz problem. Apr 08 18:19:38 well Apr 08 18:19:39 jonsmith1982: I heard that the Glofiish locks up more often than the Freerunner :-) Apr 08 18:19:42 hard to gudge Apr 08 18:19:45 judge, even Apr 08 18:19:53 parts of gta02 rock Apr 08 18:19:56 other parts suck Apr 08 18:20:03 jonsmith1982: Any buzz-fix parties happening in your area? Apr 08 18:20:04 as with every other device Apr 08 18:20:57 alphaone, not that i know of, i'm in the uk... only seen em for germany, haven't kept upto date with the mailing list recently though. Apr 08 18:21:26 maybe a new service provider will fix it for me ? Apr 08 18:22:14 changing service providers* Apr 08 18:23:03 general linux question. I have an external harddrive, with ext3 filesystem, i copy files with one user account to the disk, move the disk to another computer with another user name, now i get access denied, be cause of different users Apr 08 18:23:10 must be root to access the files Apr 08 18:23:41 Anybody here using qte-debian? Apr 08 18:23:43 can I have a more elegant solution, so that my files on my external harddrive is always accessible with whatever user? Apr 08 18:23:52 good morning by the way :) Apr 08 18:24:25 well, you could write them with enough permissions... Apr 08 18:24:55 you could probably create a permissive default acl on the root directory to make it default. If you mount with acls, anyway. Apr 08 18:25:02 mjr: i know, but can't i use some umask or sticky bit thing, not suere Apr 08 18:26:12 i should have formated it with ntfs filesystem, then it would have been a non problem Apr 08 18:26:30 add users to group externaldisk Apr 08 18:26:45 and mount it that way Apr 08 18:44:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2b3348c11b70 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (commandqueue.vala mediators.vala): fsogsm: modify command syntax for mediators Apr 08 18:48:57 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r804b44062f2a 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi interfaces.vala): Apr 08 18:48:57 freesmartphone.org: Add Display interface to libfsoframework Apr 08 18:48:57 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sudharshan 'Sup3rkiddo' S Apr 08 18:48:58 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r1cb344a72041 10/fsodeviced/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Apr 08 18:48:58 freesmartphone.org: Add kernel26_display. No abort errors here Apr 08 18:49:00 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sudharshan 'Sup3rkiddo' S Apr 08 18:49:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rde740627c948 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_display/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel26_display: whitespace changes; please use 4 spaces, no tabs Apr 08 19:36:55 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * redbba5e16113 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): Apr 08 19:36:55 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Convert MCC and MNC to int when comparing Apr 08 19:36:55 freesmartphone.org: This fixes http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/375 Apr 08 20:30:07 hi Apr 08 20:30:19 i have a console in ubbot Apr 08 20:30:29 can i change the menu to default ? Apr 08 20:30:36 i have sd cardfrist boot Apr 08 20:30:46 i want flash boot at first Apr 08 20:32:35 freerunnerlive: if you use Qi, you get flash first Apr 08 20:33:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi Apr 08 20:36:41 I've bought a dynamo-powered flashlight. After disconnecting the battery, the dynamo provides between 4 and 4,5 V DC and around 600-700mA. Apr 08 20:36:56 Do you think it would be a (fairly) safe bet to connect it to my Freerunner? Apr 08 20:37:18 According to the PMU datasheet of the freerunner (http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/datasheet/PMU/PCF50633DS_02.pdf), anything between 4 and 5.3 V should be ok, so... Apr 08 20:38:37 But I don't have much experience with hardware, so I thought I'd ask here first. :) Apr 08 20:39:15 It's sad that the openmoko team is going down Apr 08 20:41:23 nicfer: it's not the end Apr 08 20:41:23 I've read that service providers don't want more OSes for phones and that's what is halting OM's development Apr 08 20:44:18 After all, the freerunner can run full distros available for ARM like debian, gentoo or ubuntu Apr 08 20:47:32 I think that the freerunner has to be sold like a phone sized computer and not an smartphone Apr 08 20:53:20 Is there any phone that sells for less than 400 us$ without contract and has better features than a freerunner? Apr 08 20:53:45 * SeligArkin stabs opkg Apr 08 22:02:59 SeligArkin: cruel girl ;) Apr 08 22:05:07 PaulFertser: its refusing to install what I want it to Apr 08 22:06:18 SeligArkin: i've no doubt opkg has plenty of problems, but still ;) Apr 08 22:17:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8ac2650299b6 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Apr 08 22:17:35 freesmartphone.org: fsodevice: kernel26_display: overhaul Apr 08 22:17:35 freesmartphone.org: * fix API semantics (we're using percentages, not absolute values) Apr 08 22:17:35 freesmartphone.org: * get rid of display-helpers and use Posix.ioctl instead Apr 08 22:27:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r879d566b19b0 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel26_leds: use FsoFramework.AbstractObject for config and logging setup Apr 08 23:06:18 anyone manage to squeeze any audio out of scummvm under shr? Apr 08 23:10:21 anyone know a good mail programm for SHR testing? Something i dont have to compile myself Apr 08 23:18:50 does shr have a change log of some kind that tells me what changes each unstable build ? Apr 08 23:20:30 does anyone know who runs or why http://www.om.vptt.ch/ is not accesible ? I'm trying to install gridpad from opkg.org Apr 08 23:21:25 lord-carlos_: does mutt count? Apr 08 23:21:31 :D Apr 08 23:24:31 can I opkg update shr or is it advisable to reflash Apr 08 23:25:13 re-peat: no, it does not :) Apr 08 23:55:35 anyone have Qwo running on latest shr unstable ? Apr 08 23:56:42 does open moko use matchbox wm? Apr 09 00:04:20 2007 did Apr 09 00:04:34 what wm it got now? Apr 09 00:04:44 depends on the image honestly Apr 09 00:04:56 could you specify? Apr 09 00:05:00 shr uses e Apr 09 00:05:05 e17, metacity? Apr 09 00:05:13