**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 09 02:59:57 2009
Apr 09 04:34:47 <fredrin> gah, unstable internet 
Apr 09 05:09:42 <fredrin> how long does it take to get my data into the he openBmap db?
Apr 09 05:10:36 <re-peat> i still need to register an account
Apr 09 05:10:51 <re-peat> thats a cool program eh?
Apr 09 05:11:16 <fredrin> i did
Apr 09 05:11:20 <fredrin> and uploaded my logs
Apr 09 05:11:29 <fredrin> and got an ok back for the upload
Apr 09 05:11:32 <re-peat> wireless econnaissance
Apr 09 05:11:34 <fredrin> but can't display the data 
Apr 09 05:11:37 <fredrin> on the web
Apr 09 05:11:39 <re-peat> r
Apr 09 05:11:42 <fredrin> or can't see them
Apr 09 05:13:10 <re-peat> give it some time
Apr 09 05:15:33 <playya> fredrin, is the package on opkg a daemon to log data or only a viewer?
Apr 09 05:15:48 <fredrin> playya: a program
Apr 09 05:15:52 <fredrin> you must start it and let it run 
Apr 09 05:16:01 <fredrin> then it collects data 
Apr 09 05:19:04 <fredrin> re-peat: how long do i have to wait for the data to show up? 
Apr 09 05:55:07 <re-peat> fredrin: and i would know because?
Apr 09 05:56:34 <fredrin> :)
Apr 09 05:57:26 <re-peat> i cant even get a frigen image to build
Apr 09 05:59:03 <fredrin> me neither, but maybe i'll give it another try today
Apr 09 05:59:18 <fredrin> either my laptop dies or the compiler 
Apr 09 05:59:45 <re-peat> its not like compiling openwrt or rockbox
Apr 09 06:00:28 <fredrin> openmoko should have build machines that you could use 
Apr 09 06:07:39 <jc> fredrin: bulid machine for building ?
Apr 09 06:08:01 <fredrin> jc: hmm
Apr 09 06:08:01 <re-peat> just ignore it
Apr 09 06:08:07 <ndnihil> why would they have build machines for everyone to use?
Apr 09 06:08:10 <ndnihil> waste of resources
Apr 09 06:08:20 <fredrin> for the comunity 
Apr 09 06:08:27 <ndnihil> boot the leenooks, and install the toolchain
Apr 09 06:08:39 <fredrin> not open access, but for some people that do work and don't have so much power
Apr 09 06:08:45 <re-peat> i have a build machine you want a shell?
Apr 09 06:08:47 <fredrin> then you could use the neo to developon
Apr 09 06:09:12 <ndnihil> er
Apr 09 06:09:13 <ndnihil> huh?
Apr 09 06:09:14 <fredrin> re-peat: :) 
Apr 09 06:09:29 <ndnihil> if you have a FR, you already have one you can develop on
Apr 09 06:09:44 <ndnihil> setting one up halfway across the world for you to develop on doesnt make much sense
Apr 09 06:09:50 <fredrin> i'm doing it now, but i'm just playing with a webserver
Apr 09 06:10:06 <re-peat> what like use the sd card for space
Apr 09 06:10:13 <re-peat> biggest one i have is 2GB
Apr 09 06:10:19 <ndnihil> I'm almost afraid to ask what a webserver has to do with it
Apr 09 06:10:23 <fredrin> you can have 16
Apr 09 06:10:38 * ndnihil wanders back to whatever he was doing
Apr 09 06:11:26 * re-peat opkg upgrade & echo pray
Apr 09 06:11:34 <fredrin> ndnihil: :)
Apr 09 06:12:18 <jc> fredrin: you might want to send mail to Angus, he is managing distributioin right now.
Apr 09 06:13:41 <fredrin> jc: k, but i don't need a build machine right now, slow internet is even a bigger issue, but maybe in the future 
Apr 09 06:13:53 <fredrin> right now i'm just playing with a python webserver on the neo
Apr 09 06:13:59 <fredrin> don't need to build anything 
Apr 09 06:14:48 <jc> fredrin: slow internet for openmoko server?
Apr 09 06:14:56 <fredrin> for me
Apr 09 06:15:26 <fredrin> eh, never mind
Apr 09 06:15:38 <jc> fredrin: where are you living? I might check that.
Apr 09 06:15:46 <fredrin> uruguay 
Apr 09 06:15:49 <fredrin> right now
Apr 09 06:16:23 <jc> openmoko's website and others currently co-locate in germany.
Apr 09 06:18:36 <fredrin> ok
Apr 09 06:19:46 <jc> fredrin: do you think if the website in US could help?
Apr 09 06:20:17 <fredrin> jc: but i don't need a webserver
Apr 09 06:20:51 <fredrin> i'm playing with a webserver on the neo, i think it could be nice to have a webserver fitted for the neo
Apr 09 06:21:02 <fredrin> like where you could access it over lan wifi
Apr 09 06:21:06 <fredrin> and share stuff
Apr 09 06:21:10 <fredrin> like at work or at friends
Apr 09 06:22:22 <jc> fredrin: a web server on neo, sounds great.
Apr 09 06:23:42 <fredrin> this http://sourceforge.net/projects/snakelets
Apr 09 06:27:26 <re-peat> brainbleach
Apr 09 06:27:31 <re-peat> i need some
Apr 09 06:28:04 <fredrin> eh
Apr 09 06:28:14 <fredrin> beer?
Apr 09 06:41:15 <re-peat> maximus confusionous
Apr 09 07:31:50 <beer_> morning
Apr 09 07:32:36 <jc> beer_: morning.
Apr 09 08:10:40 <sebbs> i dropped my moko on asphalt today
Apr 09 08:11:20 <mirko-paroli> sebbs: did it survive ?
Apr 09 08:11:22 <sebbs> still did not break, ive dropped it like 102389102 times (i have motorskill issues). just amazes me that it has not broken yet. but it made me think that openmoko should have a backup tool
Apr 09 08:11:26 <sebbs> mirko-paroli: yes
Apr 09 08:11:30 <mirko-paroli> nice
Apr 09 08:11:37 <sebbs> yea :)
Apr 09 08:11:49 <henk> it's pretty robust i must say too :)
Apr 09 08:11:58 <sebbs> yeah i am impressed
Apr 09 08:12:02 <sebbs> only thing is the back shell thing
Apr 09 08:12:09 <henk> at least compared to a nokia phone which once dropped looks like shit
Apr 09 08:12:25 <sebbs> the old nokia you can drop alot. (i know from experience
Apr 09 08:12:28 <sebbs> ;)
Apr 09 08:13:21 <sebbs> i have alot of stuff on my phone, i think im gonna try to make some sort of automated backup solution
Apr 09 08:13:39 <sebbs> problem as i see it that when the phone goes into hibernate cron does not run
Apr 09 08:13:42 <henk> it will still work, but it will look like shit...
Apr 09 08:13:45 <sebbs> (atleast not from my testing)
Apr 09 08:13:51 <sebbs> henk: ^^ hehe
Apr 09 08:29:38 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rf7e40ab0c795 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: 
Apr 09 08:29:38 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: odeviced: Fix time and format problems in the RTC interface
Apr 09 08:29:38 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: This fixes FSO bug #374 and brings the RTC interface in line with the
Apr 09 08:29:38 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: spec. Also fixes the time offset some people (probably everyone not in
Apr 09 08:29:38 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: UTC) experienced between calls of SetWakeupTime and GetWakeupTime.
Apr 09 08:29:41 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: See http://docs.python.org/library/time.html for the different
Apr 09 08:29:43 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: conversions "seconds since the epoch" <-> "{local,UTC} time".
Apr 09 08:40:37 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * rb784a1e0a0f3 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Correct some typos in GSM.SMS interface description
Apr 09 08:40:38 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * r8f7faacf27f9 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Correct parameter type in SetWakeupTime call
Apr 09 08:58:22 <Psi> what was the name/website of that gta01/02 case thing i saw in Sean's powerpoint
Apr 09 08:59:21 <Psi> nevermind, found it
Apr 09 08:59:43 <Psi> damn, leather, ow well
Apr 09 08:59:55 <Psi> maybe i can make one myself based on the design
Apr 09 09:23:55 <sebbs>  why is openmoko marketed as a mobile phone? it would have been alot more clever to market it as a PDA with phone capabilities 
Apr 09 09:26:42 <Psi> i dont think it really matters atm
Apr 09 09:27:17 <Psi> when it goes mass market maybe they will call it a pda
Apr 09 09:28:59 <tig|> well it is marketed as a smartphone which is a phone/pda hybrid
Apr 09 10:55:50 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r1f7acaee18d3 10/framework/persist.py: persist: having no persist data for a subsystem is not an error
Apr 09 11:20:35 * PaulFertser has just bought an airplane ticket to Dusseldorf, ~300EUR. Will get to FSOSHRUDCON (if only they give me a visa :-/)
Apr 09 11:21:02 * PaulFertser wonders if it's a wise move to do book some hotel at Essen without intent to pay or stay there...
Apr 09 11:21:23 <shellevil> visa? within the EU?
Apr 09 11:21:29 <shellevil> or maybe /me is confused
Apr 09 11:21:32 <shellevil> PaulFertser: 
Apr 09 11:21:35 * shellevil sighs
Apr 09 11:22:33 <PaulFertser> shellevil: if only i was within the EU...
Apr 09 11:22:42 <bumbl> shellevil: russia != eu
Apr 09 11:22:58 <shellevil> oh
Apr 09 11:23:19 <bumbl> hmm well PaulFertser: how hard is it to get a visa?
Apr 09 11:23:22 <PaulFertser> shellevil: yeah, we're not clever enough to integrate in EU :-/
Apr 09 11:23:25 <shellevil> Sorry - for some reason I thought you were in belgium.
Apr 09 11:23:32 <bumbl> it is for "educational purposes"
Apr 09 11:23:43 * shellevil has no clue why.
Apr 09 11:24:50 <PaulFertser> bumbl: in theory it's not hard; but i might get a refusal without any explanation whatsoever. Moreover, i'm supposed to somehow "prove" my "accomodation" in Germany despite the fact that for me even forest is enough of accomodation and it can't confirm booking obviously.
Apr 09 11:25:18 <shellevil> GPS of tree.
Apr 09 11:25:44 <mokel> hi, when i send an email to the mailinglist and cc it to my adress i do not get the mail from the mailinglist. so i do only receive 1 copy, the one of the cc. is that behaviour normal?
Apr 09 11:25:59 <bumbl> PaulFertser: well it might help if you book and stay in a cheap youth hostel if you can afford
Apr 09 11:26:27 <bumbl> (300€ flight for a few days are expensive though)
Apr 09 11:26:47 <PaulFertser> bumbl: i'm going to stay there for 9 days.
Apr 09 11:27:15 <PaulFertser> mokel: that's mailing list probably dropping you because you sent it yourself.
Apr 09 11:27:18 <bumbl> ah so not only fsoshrducon
Apr 09 11:27:48 <mokel> PaulFertser: mmh, i didnt know that the mailinglist is an intelligent one :)
Apr 09 11:28:04 <mokel> but that should be the answer
Apr 09 11:28:04 <PaulFertser> bumbl: want to fool around there for some time, yes. And i think i can afford a hotel but i won't do it because i like sleeping on the ground, not in some "comfortable" room.
Apr 09 11:28:59 <PaulFertser> mokel: and btw beware, community mailing list _always_ _forges_ Reply-To: header.
Apr 09 11:29:33 <mokel> i know
Apr 09 11:29:49 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03laforge * r4966 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/ (Makefile.am configure.ac doc/Makefile.am): make sure the manpage is installed during 'make install' (Michael Scherer)
Apr 09 11:29:59 <PaulFertser> bumbl: do you know who was in contact with LinuxHotel.de? 
Apr 09 11:30:27 <bumbl> stefan_schmidt i think but i am not sure
Apr 09 11:30:32 <PaulFertser> (probably they can send me fake booking proof)
Apr 09 11:30:53 <mokel> the mailing list replaces the header so that cc's and other receipients aren't shown, right?
Apr 09 11:31:20 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r4e06384680d8 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd/networkdb: each network must have an MNC
Apr 09 11:31:44 <shellevil> PaulFertser: you can stay with me! :)
Apr 09 11:31:49 <shellevil> (though UK, not DE)
Apr 09 11:31:59 <PaulFertser> mokel: i guess community mailing list does two things: first, it adds/replace Reply-To header to a forged one; second, it drops those already subscribed from Cc.
Apr 09 11:32:12 <mokel> ok
Apr 09 11:32:14 <mokel> thanks
Apr 09 11:32:31 * hipitihop gestures  hello at the the residents
Apr 09 11:32:49 <mokel> another question: anyone knows where i can get the capacitor for the buzzfix in germany? i searched reichelt and conrad but could not find the right
Apr 09 11:32:55 <PaulFertser> shellevil: It'd be very nice but unfortunately of no help as FSOSHRUDCON will take place in Essen, Germany :)
Apr 09 11:33:04 <mokel> yesterday i had found one but is was minimal too big for the case
Apr 09 11:33:21 <hipitihop> does anyone know if navit works well on shr unstable ?
Apr 09 11:33:32 <PaulFertser> mokel: write an snailmail to Joerg, he'll mail the necessary parts (cap and R) back.
Apr 09 11:33:48 <mokel> ok, thats what i did :)
Apr 09 11:34:24 <mokel> but at the moment he is out of parts
Apr 09 11:34:42 <DocScrutinizer> huh?
Apr 09 11:35:13 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: morning :)
Apr 09 11:35:16 <DocScrutinizer> don't think so
Apr 09 11:35:18 <DocScrutinizer> o
Apr 09 11:35:21 <DocScrutinizer> mooo
Apr 09 11:35:56 <DocScrutinizer> mokel: send me a self addressed envelope!
Apr 09 11:36:36 <mokel> where can i get your adress?
Apr 09 11:36:40 <PaulFertser> mokel: or join one of the buzzfixing parties
Apr 09 11:36:50 <gfather> PaulFertser hay m8 
Apr 09 11:37:00 <PaulFertser> gfather: hey :)
Apr 09 11:37:01 <gfather> somone aske dfor you @ openmoko-cdevel 
Apr 09 11:37:12 <gfather> *asked for you 
Apr 09 11:37:29 <mokel> PaulFertser: i have found a person who would fix it for me so its easier to get the parts
Apr 09 11:38:31 <PaulFertser> gfather: can't see any pings, but thanks anyway :)
Apr 09 11:42:22 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, 300EUR it is with return ticket?
Apr 09 11:43:00 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: sure
Apr 09 11:44:58 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: how much would it cost for you? 
Apr 09 11:46:53 <max_posedon> I don't know, year ago I have fly to frankfurt/main for 430EUR(luftphansa)
Apr 09 11:47:45 <max_posedon> but it's expensive for me, payments in belarus different than in Moscow
Apr 09 11:47:45 <bumbl_> http://xkcd.com/350/ <- rofl
Apr 09 11:49:05 <bumbl_> hmm i am still searching someone who does the bugfix as it would be cheaper to buy a new nokia than to send in the neo or come to a bugfixparty in person
Apr 09 11:50:15 <shellevil> where are you bumbl?
Apr 09 11:52:43 <bumbl_> shellevil: austria
Apr 09 11:54:07 <bumbl_> (it would be cheaper than flying
Apr 09 11:54:08 <bumbl_> )
Apr 09 11:56:20 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, I just check, basic prise 180EUR, but it isn't real cost. ( http://belavia.by/belru/reserv.htm )
Apr 09 11:57:10 <DocScrutinizer> bumbl_: nothing is cheaper than buying a new nokia (with contract) ;P
Apr 09 11:57:20 <henk> max_posedon: where in austria are you? perhaps you know someone experienced in soldering? perhaps you know someone in the physics department of a near university?
Apr 09 11:57:37 <max_posedon> henk, sorry, I'm from Belarus
Apr 09 11:57:50 <henk> d'uh sorry...
Apr 09 11:57:55 <henk> bumbl_: that was for you :)
Apr 09 11:58:37 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: base here is also 194EUR...
Apr 09 11:58:38 <bumbl_> henk: the second moko user in town is off for >1,5 months
Apr 09 11:58:42 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: max_posedon: you're considering to join fsoshrcon?
Apr 09 11:59:10 <bumbl_> DocScrutinizer: even without contract it would be cheaper if all one needs is telephony, sms, calendar
Apr 09 11:59:24 <henk> bumbl_: i wasn't asking about other moko users ;)
Apr 09 11:59:29 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i've already bought a ticket. Hoping to get visa, but i'm afraid i'll need to provide some "proof" that i'll have a place to live there (and i want to stay from 22 May till 30 May).
Apr 09 11:59:35 <bumbl_> henk: well he works at university
Apr 09 11:59:49 <max_posedon> DocScrutinizer, as for me, I'm still only thinking, but really want), but visa....
Apr 09 11:59:50 <DocScrutinizer> greeeeaaaAAAATT
Apr 09 11:59:53 <DocScrutinizer> :)))
Apr 09 12:00:03 <henk> bumbl_: ah that's not too bad then... so just wait 1.5 months, perhaps the software is usable too then 'g'
Apr 09 12:00:18 <bumbl_> henk: ;)
Apr 09 12:00:49 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: I'll send an official invitation to you, if that helps
Apr 09 12:00:53 <bumbl_> s/is off/has been off/
Apr 09 12:01:33 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: Official invitation will definitely help, but i'm afraid its too much of a hassle (for you). And i still hope it's possible for LinuxHotel.de to send me a "fake" booking confirmation for the whole period... Need to ask Stefan to negotiate about it.
Apr 09 12:01:58 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: sure I'll do that if you need some
Apr 09 12:02:02 <max_posedon> DocScrutinizer, can you also do it for me also?
Apr 09 12:02:24 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: np
Apr 09 12:04:10 <hipitihop> I have just tried to install navit on shr opkg install http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-current_armv4.opk and it complains about unsatisfied speechd and flite can someone advise ?
Apr 09 12:05:55 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: the problem with getting visa is that the process is highly non-uniform among different countries and non-transparent. One never knows what is really enough and what is not. :-/
Apr 09 12:06:25 <DocScrutinizer> for visa from Germany? hmm
Apr 09 12:06:28 <SpeedEvil> I thought that in soviet russia, visa got you.
Apr 09 12:06:31 <SpeedEvil> Sorry.
Apr 09 12:06:41 <DocScrutinizer> maybe I can talk to them directly?
Apr 09 12:08:02 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: you might give me the tel# of the embasady you're contacting for the visa
Apr 09 12:08:14 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: that's visa rules of Schengen countries, nothing specific to russia.
Apr 09 12:08:59 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i'm afraid it doesn't work that way. I guess i'll do some more research on the topic and will tell you my findings then :)
Apr 09 12:09:08 <hipitihop> can someone please point me to speechd and flite packages
Apr 09 12:09:09 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, no-no
Apr 09 12:09:11 <max_posedon> it works!)
Apr 09 12:09:24 <hipitihop> I'm trying to install navit on shr
Apr 09 12:09:40 <max_posedon> I 2 times get visa with to the Germany, and both times I haven't "paper invitation"
Apr 09 12:10:08 <max_posedon> both times Germany company called to embassy, and it *really* helped
Apr 09 12:10:33 <max_posedon> (just my expierence)
Apr 09 12:10:38 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: well I'm not exactly a company, but anyway ... ;-D
Apr 09 12:10:52 <DocScrutinizer> you're probably right
Apr 09 12:11:21 <max_posedon> so, DocScrutinizer what kind of invitation you going to send? "private" or it will be invitation to the conference?
Apr 09 12:11:50 <DocScrutinizer> whatever you think will be appropriate. maybe both?
Apr 09 12:12:46 <DocScrutinizer> I'd guess a private one usually is less problem than an "official" one
Apr 09 12:13:22 <hipitihop> did the world just end we're the only one left on irc ? why did almost the netire list quit ?
Apr 09 12:13:31 <SpeedEvil> server split
Apr 09 12:13:50 <hipitihop> wow in all the years I've never seen it before
Apr 09 12:14:05 <DocScrutinizer> duh, really?
Apr 09 12:14:10 <SpeedEvil> You must either be very unobservant, or extremely lucky.
Apr 09 12:14:19 * hipitihop thinks "once again, you learn something every day"
Apr 09 12:14:44 <hipitihop> trust me I'm pretty observant... so it must be luck
Apr 09 12:14:47 <DocScrutinizer> I got 304 users here, and "quiet earth" syndrome isn't that unusual
Apr 09 12:14:50 <DocScrutinizer> ;)
Apr 09 12:15:19 * hipitihop contemplates buying a lottery ticket
Apr 09 12:15:50 <DocScrutinizer> hipitihop: I have one for you ;-)
Apr 09 12:16:11 * hipitihop then realises he has once again demonstrated his noobness to the community
Apr 09 12:16:45 <hipitihop> DocScrutinizer: sure, how much ? ;-)
Apr 09 12:17:29 <DocScrutinizer> hipitihop: with warranty *one* of us both is winning some money ;D
Apr 09 12:18:14 <hipitihop> DocScrutinizer: :-) that's a sure bet
Apr 09 12:18:22 <hipitihop> I'd still like my navit dependencies sorted though
Apr 09 12:19:03 <DocScrutinizer> yup! ;P I'd even share all the money with you 50/50 no matter wgho's winning
Apr 09 12:19:31 <Zoup> any idea what is this ProjectB thing?
Apr 09 12:19:52 <SpeedEvil> It's clearly a cream-cracker holder.
Apr 09 12:20:03 <DocScrutinizer> yup, but mustn't talk about. And isn't a topic for this channel anyway
Apr 09 12:20:11 <Zoup> hahaaha :)
Apr 09 12:20:20 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: it's not running any OM related stuff?
Apr 09 12:20:24 <Zoup> Boohahahaha :))
Apr 09 12:20:26 <hipitihop> SpeedEvil: you'll have to educate us aussies here as to what a cream cracker is exactly
Apr 09 12:20:32 <SpeedEvil> Umm.
Apr 09 12:20:49 <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cream_cracker
Apr 09 12:21:21 <Zoup> it looks like kind of 'reader' thing
Apr 09 12:21:25 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, plz notify me, if/when you find some info about linuxhotel.de 
Apr 09 12:21:37 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: ok :)
Apr 09 12:21:55 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: huh? what about the URL?
Apr 09 12:22:25 <DocScrutinizer> what kind of nfo?
Apr 09 12:22:29 <DocScrutinizer> Info
Apr 09 12:22:32 <max_posedon> I don't mean url, I mean, does they can send some confirmation about reservation
Apr 09 12:22:39 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: whether they can send a "fake" booking "proof" or not.
Apr 09 12:22:51 <max_posedon> I even agry for non-fake)
Apr 09 12:22:56 <DocScrutinizer> should I contact them to ask?
Apr 09 12:23:07 <max_posedon> Will be *really* nice.
Apr 09 12:23:22 <DocScrutinizer> just a phonecall for me to find out I guess
Apr 09 12:23:44 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: there's no fake in that
Apr 09 12:24:32 <max_posedon> I think conf invitation+smth that proof booking hotel will be enough
Apr 09 12:24:43 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: please take into account that i'm not going to really stay at linuxhotel (except paying my part for conference, of course). I'm going to visit the conference and then fool around for a week (till 30) staying in some campings. For visa they require booking reservation for the whole period (for me it's 22-30 May).
Apr 09 12:24:53 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: PaulFertser : please send me detail (your address etc pp) via PM
Apr 09 12:25:23 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks a lot in advance! :)
Apr 09 12:25:53 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: nope. No camping for you ;) you have to stay in my attik for the whole period :P
Apr 09 12:26:18 * PaulFertser *hates* attics 
Apr 09 12:26:21 <hipitihop> SpeedEvil: aah, you mean a Sao
Apr 09 12:26:24 <PaulFertser> Scary
Apr 09 12:27:15 <DocScrutinizer> please also both of you include international telnr of ambassady you'll contact for the visa
Apr 09 12:27:28 <DocScrutinizer> maybe plus name of contact
Apr 09 12:27:33 <SpeedEvil> shr: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ENGRAVED-RECTANGULAR-CURVE-SILVER-CUFF-LINKS_W0QQitemZ250402538637QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_JewelleryWatches_MensJewellery_Cufflinks?hash=item250402538637&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1688|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 might actually work
Apr 09 12:27:35 <SpeedEvil> oops
Apr 09 12:27:41 <DocScrutinizer> tztztz
Apr 09 12:28:01 <max_posedon> DocScrutinizer, I'll do it (and describe all what I need) today at evening (CET+1)
Apr 09 12:28:11 <DocScrutinizer> np
Apr 09 12:28:31 <max_posedon> btw, DocScrutinizer do you understand that embassy usually prefer "paper" invitation?
Apr 09 12:28:50 <DocScrutinizer> I'll give Linuxhotel an informational call right now then, to see what they can do
Apr 09 12:28:52 <SpeedEvil> max_posedon: vellum I think.
Apr 09 12:28:52 <hipitihop> so, in totally poor channel form, I'll ask again, someone surely knows where I can get speechd package for shr
Apr 09 12:29:35 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: np, but it's much easier to get all this right the first time, if you talk to them prior to sending any fax etc
Apr 09 12:30:00 <max_posedon> yes, thanks, I'll find as much info today as I can.
Apr 09 12:34:02 <Dave> :)
Apr 09 12:34:10 <Dave> Hey rools
Apr 09 12:35:18 <saracen> hipitihop: Use opkg? *guess*
Apr 09 12:38:49 <hipitihop> saracen: yes I'm using "opkg install ...." and hget unsatisfied recommendation : speechd & flite and then as gtk+-fastscaling as unsatisfied dependency
Apr 09 12:39:43 <spaetz> those navit packages depend on gtk+-fastscaling it seems
Apr 09 12:39:48 <spaetz> they should just fix it
Apr 09 12:40:51 <hipitihop> spaetz: what do you suggest ?
Apr 09 12:41:46 <hipitihop> spaetz: zorry, not sure if this is something I can resolve, hence the question
Apr 09 12:42:09 <spaetz> 1) have them fix their package, 2) override wrong dependencies with -force-depends or whatever
Apr 09 12:42:32 <spaetz> gtk+-fastscaling is just gtk+, really
Apr 09 12:42:38 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: max_posedon: linuxhotel guy is absolutely ok with getting a text by PM and "cramming this on some official sheet of paper". Kind guy :-)
Apr 09 12:43:14 <max_posedon> nice
Apr 09 12:43:21 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: amazingly nice info. Thanks a lot! :)))
Apr 09 12:44:30 <DocScrutinizer> I'd guess it's up to you creating a short english "invitation/reservation-confirmation" and send it either to linuxhotel directly, or to me to handle it
Apr 09 12:45:10 <DocScrutinizer> probably best is to attach it to the info-PM you're going to send to me
Apr 09 12:46:31 <DocScrutinizer> You both talked to Ainu/Stephan wrt "seats" (>>we have 20...<<)?
Apr 09 12:48:00 <max_posedon> as for me - I don't(will do soon), is it a big problem if number will be little bit bigger?
Apr 09 12:48:10 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: max_posedon: ATM there are 18 ppl listed for participation on http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/FSOSHRUDCON'09
Apr 09 12:48:24 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: dunno
Apr 09 12:51:41 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: it was stated that some 24 will still be "ok".
Apr 09 12:53:06 <mmp> hello; I'm using latest SHR unstable; is there any utility to lock the screen when pressing aux ?
Apr 09 12:53:07 <DocScrutinizer> You're checking this with Ainu & stefan anyway
Apr 09 12:53:18 <mmp> and also some way to enable display dimming
Apr 09 12:53:26 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: sure, we do :)
Apr 09 12:54:27 * DocScrutinizer away (soon ;)
Apr 09 12:55:29 <lord-carlos> spaetz: hey, i just joined the channel an saw that you were talking about gtk+-fastscaling, if i want to install Minimo (webbrowser) on SHR testing, it says gtk+-fastscaling is missing. Do you know how to resolve this problem?
Apr 09 13:00:35 <spaetz> 14:42 < spaetz> 1) have them fix their package, 2) override wrong dependencies  with -force-depends or whatever
Apr 09 13:00:45 <spaetz> 14:42 < spaetz> gtk+-fastscaling is just gtk+, really
Apr 09 13:01:30 <spaetz> packages depending og gtk+-fastscaling are obsolete and broken, in my opinion
Apr 09 13:02:10 <hipitihop> ok, simpler question... can someone tell me how to configure the desktop in shr. I only want a handful of apps
Apr 09 13:02:41 <lord-carlos> yes, i installed it with -force-depends. ut now i can not zoom. But maybe there is something frong with the webbrowser. 
Apr 09 13:02:43 <lord-carlos> Thanks
Apr 09 13:03:27 <|Marco|> mmp: screen-lock something.. I think
Apr 09 13:04:14 <Weiss> spaetz: i would have to agree. i REALLY with gtk+-fastscaling would just die
Apr 09 13:04:54 <|Marco|> It's in the shr-testing image.. but I haven't seen it in unstable
Apr 09 13:07:01 <mmp> |Marco|: I don't even see it in unstable repos...