**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 13 02:59:58 2009 Apr 13 04:22:34 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * rb9488c214fd1 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/interfaces.vala: Apr 13 04:22:34 freesmartphone.org: Add Info Interface Apr 13 04:22:34 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sudharshan 'Sup3rkiddo' S Apr 13 04:22:35 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * racfe7d4ea1b4 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/Makefile.am: Apr 13 04:22:35 freesmartphone.org: Fix a build error due to missing package inclusion Apr 13 04:22:39 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sudharshan 'Sup3rkiddo' S Apr 13 04:22:41 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * rfcedfc687954 10/fsodeviced/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Apr 13 04:22:43 freesmartphone.org: Add Info plugin Apr 13 04:22:45 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sudharshan 'Sup3rkiddo' S Apr 13 06:35:36 good afternoon Apr 13 06:36:53 i just read on http://blog.shr-project.org/2009/03/which-features-are-missing-in-shr.html that there is no pim and no rule manager ui. Apr 13 06:37:07 does that mean i can not manage contact groups on shr? Apr 13 06:38:21 and what about the rule manager? is just the UI missing? (can i set that up manually in a config file or something?) Apr 13 06:38:58 * raster rules all over eMBee Apr 13 06:39:30 * eMBee feels privileged Apr 13 06:39:37 wtf Apr 13 06:40:00 says the man bear pig Apr 13 06:40:04 :) Apr 13 06:40:26 dude i think i need to setup a compile cluster cause om just takes forever Apr 13 06:40:42 distcc + oe Apr 13 06:41:01 ManBearPig_: might help.. tho to be honest compiling itself is not most of the work Apr 13 06:41:10 ie using distcc wont get u a huge speedup Apr 13 06:41:20 it spends a LOT of time in configure, shell and python stuff Apr 13 06:41:26 in fact most of it is not "gcc" Apr 13 06:41:40 you best bet is to use parallel make in oe Apr 13 06:41:50 and get a 4 core cpu Apr 13 06:41:59 (or get 2x 4 core cpu's) Apr 13 06:42:04 oh -- and a but-tonne of ram Apr 13 06:42:06 linuxpmi? Apr 13 06:42:10 16g Apr 13 06:42:22 get that and u'll have a fast oe build box Apr 13 06:42:34 (once u've built oe once most of the io it needs will be cached) Apr 13 06:42:57 i'm trying to make my own image Apr 13 06:43:03 then.. patience Apr 13 06:43:08 go away Apr 13 06:43:11 do somehting else Apr 13 06:43:14 come back once its done Apr 13 06:43:24 rebuilds on updates will be much faster as it only rebuilds some things Apr 13 06:44:07 yeah oe is genious Apr 13 06:44:39 i'm super cereal Apr 13 07:27:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra21ea39cc5cb 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: set default speaker volume to maximum. Closes FSO #398 Apr 13 07:40:46 hmm, shr looks a lot more promising than om2008.12, but contacts and messages crash :-( Apr 13 07:42:57 eMBee, it happens if framework doesn't connected to GSM Apr 13 07:43:19 ah, thanks :-( Apr 13 07:43:24 so 1. reboot(restart) 2. don't try run this apps until gsm registration Apr 13 07:43:50 and still sometimes it happens anyway... Apr 13 07:43:52 i don't have a sim card, and i do expect to be able to access those without it Apr 13 07:44:11 is any owrk being done to fix that? Apr 13 07:44:30 s/owrk/work/ Apr 13 07:44:30 eMBee meant: is any work being done to fix that? Apr 13 07:44:36 ah, accesss to dialer and messages without sim?!.. Apr 13 07:44:50 not diealer, but contacts Apr 13 07:45:15 shr store contacts on sim, no any pim implemented Apr 13 07:45:23 oh, right Apr 13 07:46:41 is someone working on these things? Apr 13 07:47:38 I don't know, but they have it in plans Apr 13 07:54:35 * eMBee nods Apr 13 07:54:38 Hi, I just put the shr-unstable image of the 9th of april on my SD card and booted it, it seems to work fine but all parts of the settings manager now have their own icons, I had a look in /usr/share/applications and I see that all their .desktop files are in a specific directory, what do you guys or illume want to do with that ? (is it a bug or is there some kind of plan ?) Apr 13 07:55:20 Bert_2, as for me I just deleted that directory Apr 13 07:55:32 max_posedon: okey, so it's a bug ? Apr 13 07:56:12 or you don't know ? Apr 13 07:56:44 I don't know, shr team has 'implement categories on desktop' feature in plans, may be this is part of it(not fully implemented). Apr 13 07:57:39 max_posedon: it would be awesome if they did that, it would fix my icon madness issues Apr 13 09:03:02 OT: does anyone know how to force irssi to immediately reconnect to all servers (shown in /servers)? Apr 13 09:12:57 PaulFertser: try #irssi ;) Apr 13 09:13:30 bipak_: i'm afraid to go to uncommon places and to meet unknown people. Apr 13 09:13:39 haha Apr 13 09:15:10 there might me a script for it Apr 13 09:15:28 Strangers! go away! "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you!" Apr 13 09:15:29 the reconnect command doesn't seem to support reconnect to all servers Apr 13 09:17:09 bipak_: exactly my thoughts Apr 13 09:18:29 so i wasn't a real help :\ Apr 13 09:21:27 bipak_: i don't need help, i need lolz. Though help would be somewhat handy too, because it'd be reasonable to force reconnect immediately after pppoe connection re-appears. Apr 13 09:22:29 shell server somewhere + screen Apr 13 09:22:33 or static ip Apr 13 09:22:43 good idea. I just wait until the timeout appears Apr 13 09:23:46 shellevil: i have a shell server with bip. I don't want to run screen there though, i prefer to have it locally. Apr 13 09:27:03 DocScrutinizer, Did you recive my "spam" on Friday? How it is going about "papers"? Apr 13 09:28:22 sorry, where can I find a more detailed roadmap of SHR than the one on http://shr-project.org/trac/roadmap ? Apr 13 09:28:23 PaulFertser: ah really? i think ive lost the account data. please resend it to me :p Apr 13 09:28:43 max_posedon: i guess catolic "easter" is not over yet. Apr 13 09:29:03 oh... forget about it Apr 13 09:29:11 bipak_: do you have any relation to the bip software? Apr 13 09:29:11 *I forgot* Apr 13 09:29:37 aaaah sorry, lol. most people call me "bip" so i got confused :D Apr 13 09:36:23 Disaster! openmoocow is still not working on shr-unstable Apr 13 09:37:02 Bert_2: have you notified author that accelerometer interface changed 2 months ago? Apr 13 09:37:25 PaulFertser: I should do that, I know, but it's just such a funny app :P Apr 13 09:38:16 Bert_2: i think i should install it on Debian. But with broken assumption about accels it's of no fun, i'm afraid. I hope it doesn't need OSS, does it? Apr 13 09:39:33 PaulFertser: it's in the opkg repo's of SHR and it doesn't have any extra dependencies when installing it on the shr-unstable standard image (20090409) Apr 13 09:40:01 Bert_2: can it use alsa like any sane modern app or not? Apr 13 09:40:40 PaulFertser: atm it doesn't work at all, so I'm not sure :s Apr 13 09:41:00 PaulFertser: it shows the cow but tapping it or moving doesn't do anything Apr 13 09:41:37 PaulFertser: it should moo on tap so I'm going to check it Apr 13 09:42:23 you could do an "ldd openmoocow" and see if it depends on alsa libs Apr 13 09:42:38 Bert_2: if you checked the source, it'd give you more detailed and accurate info. Apr 13 09:43:08 PaulFertser: I'm not really a coder so I don't think it'll make sense to me (I'm just a webdev) Apr 13 09:44:06 Bert_2: shame on you :p Apr 13 09:44:08 PaulFertser: commandline output: "unable to ope audio: No available audio device" Apr 13 09:44:11 typical Apr 13 09:44:37 PaulFertser: I'm too lazy to learn C or C++, they'll teach me those in university after all :P Apr 13 09:44:44 Bert_2: do you have aoss installed? Apr 13 09:44:53 PaulFertser: don't think so Apr 13 09:44:57 * Bert_2 checks Apr 13 09:45:33 Bert_2: come to my institute to study, i'll teach you C ;) Apr 13 09:45:49 PaulFertser: what institute ? Apr 13 09:46:09 Bert_2: russian state technological university :D Apr 13 09:46:44 ahoi Apr 13 09:46:48 PaulFertser: I guess that's a bit far Apr 13 09:47:14 PBeck: hi Apr 13 09:47:23 PaulFertser: oss stuff I have installed: http://pastebin.ca/1390416 Apr 13 09:47:24 Bert_2: i'd like to go to study somewhere far. Apr 13 09:47:24 hi Bert_2 Apr 13 09:47:56 Bert_2: that's kernel module, i prefer userspace emulation. Apr 13 09:48:25 PaulFertser: so you think I need to opkg install oss to get openmoocow to moo ? :P Apr 13 09:48:42 Bert_2: can you try to start it like "aoss openmoocow" ? Apr 13 09:50:43 PaulFertser: Error: ld.so: object '/usr/$LIB/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignore and then the usual openmoocow erroring Apr 13 09:53:32 PaulFertser: got any idea what's going wrong ? Apr 13 09:54:32 Bert_2: aoss improperly installed. I guess it's a shell script and it doesn't find libaoss.so for whatever reason. Apr 13 09:57:12 PaulFertser: openmoocow is written in what looks to em as C++ Apr 13 09:57:29 PaulFertser: I'm reading through the source right now, though I'm not understanding everything Apr 13 09:59:15 PaulFertser: I think this does the audio stuff: http://pastebin.ca/1390421 Apr 13 09:59:57 PaulFertser: ow, I forgot to put audio_setup() in Apr 13 10:00:11 Bert_2: ok, i downloaded the source too. It uses SDL to emit sound. BTW, it's C, not C++. Apr 13 10:00:32 PaulFertser: they look quite similar to me, because I don't know them that good Apr 13 10:00:44 PaulFertser: can you see in the source what might be wrong ? Apr 13 10:01:01 Bert_2: probably you lack SDL alsa support? Apr 13 10:01:20 PaulFertser: probably Apr 13 10:02:03 PaulFertser: I only have libsdl and libsdl-image installed, do I need libsdl-mixer then ? Apr 13 10:02:48 Bert_2: and yes, accellerometers for freerunner do not EV_REL events anymore, as openmoocow expects, no wonder it doesn't work. Apr 13 10:03:04 Bert_2: (libsdl-mixer) probably, i don't know much about sdl. Apr 13 10:03:11 PaulFertser: but it should also work on a tap Apr 13 10:03:28 PaulFertser: I'll poke the developer :P Apr 13 10:04:25 Bert_2: try to install some relevant sdl library still. Apr 13 10:04:47 PaulFertser: I'm trying it out right now Apr 13 10:05:10 PaulFertser: libsdl-mixer-1.2-0 depends on libvorbis and libmikmod so I guess we're good Apr 13 10:05:56 PaulFertser: but it's still erroring Apr 13 10:12:02 Bert_2: in the modern kernel accell sysfs device node is not there where openmoocow expects to find it. For me it segfaults on start because of that. Apr 13 10:12:23 PaulFertser: okey, so I should really poke the dev Apr 13 10:12:40 PaulFertser: I'm searching for contact info, it's hard to find :S Apr 13 10:12:49 Bert_2: it'd be more fun to fix it yourself. Apr 13 10:13:16 PaulFertser: I'm a PHP dev. I don't know anything about C or SDL :s Apr 13 10:13:54 Bert_2: i don't say the same when i face some PHP code Apr 13 10:14:42 PaulFertser: how do you mean ? Apr 13 10:15:30 Bert_2: i mean when i for some reason need to understand php, i just do it :) Apr 13 10:17:08 PaulFertser: I understand some C, but I'm totally not understanding the audio sdl stuff, it's like chaos to me Apr 13 10:21:04 Bert_2: look here: http://git.bitwiz.org.uk/?p=openmoocow.git;a=summary Apr 13 10:22:05 PaulFertser: what should I have a look at ? Apr 13 10:22:15 Bert_2: so with proper sdl libs installed and the latest version from git it will fully work, including accels. Apr 13 10:22:30 cool Apr 13 10:22:56 PaulFertser: but to be honest I don't know a lot about git, how do I get it on my moko ? Apr 13 10:24:25 latest Git version of OpenMooCow knows about all the recent kernel changes Apr 13 10:24:37 Weiss: you're the man :) Apr 13 10:24:51 i think it's available in the SHR-unstable repository, but i don't think anything else has been updated Apr 13 10:25:06 Weiss: SHR-unstable uses the latest kernel Apr 13 10:25:07 i'm really thinking of rewriting its audio bits to use ALSA directly.. SDL seems to cause lots of problems :( Apr 13 10:25:14 Weiss: the one in the repo is having audio issues Apr 13 10:25:35 hmm.. possible "modprobe snd-pcm-oss"? Apr 13 10:26:16 Weiss: awesome, that fixed the sound issue Apr 13 10:26:42 PaulFertser: the accelerometer stuff seems to work too now Apr 13 10:27:26 Weiss: modprobe, is that permanent or until the next reboot ? Apr 13 10:27:38 Bert_2, until reboot Apr 13 10:27:51 you shoul create file at /etc/modutils.d Apr 13 10:28:03 and run modules-update(or update-modules) Apr 13 10:28:08 look there for examples Apr 13 10:28:42 it's nasty to have to do that, though :( Apr 13 10:28:44 btw. I still doesn't understand why ppp-generic still don't added to autoload in shr Apr 13 10:29:05 i wonder if the was SDL is built could be changed to do ALSA properly Apr 13 10:29:17 morning Apr 13 10:29:20 okey, it just stopped responding, just after I closed openmoocow and was trying to stop the terminal :S Apr 13 10:29:45 * Bert_2 reboots FreeRunner Apr 13 10:29:50 there are some really weird SDL audio problems on Debian, as well Apr 13 10:30:16 Bert_2: ick..did you successfully close OMC? Apr 13 10:30:31 Weiss: yes Apr 13 10:33:09 Weiss: why do you suggest to load oss emulation? Apr 13 10:33:25 because SDL always seems to want to use OSS rather than ALSA Apr 13 10:33:26 Weiss: i thought SDL should be able to work with alsa. Apr 13 10:33:31 so did i ;( Apr 13 10:34:04 MooCow's audio parts are very simple.. they just ask SDL to find a suitable audio device and then let it squirt samples at it Apr 13 10:34:51 Weiss: i already read that. Apr 13 10:35:44 join #openmoko-cdevel Apr 13 10:39:37 Weiss: (SDL alsa support) it can be as simple as OE misconfiguration. Apr 13 10:42:42 yeah, i suspect something like that Apr 13 11:54:58 how do i get a keyboard to use the terminal on SHR? Apr 13 11:58:50 eMBee: bring upper enlightment panel, top right QWERTY button. Apr 13 12:00:56 oh Apr 13 12:01:09 didn't look like a button to me :-) Apr 13 12:01:20 thanks Apr 13 12:11:31 eMBee: you only click on things that look like a button? in that way you'll miss alot of things :p Apr 13 12:12:39 max_posedon: here's easter monday. No use in calling officials or business. I'll start to check things wrt that tomorrow Apr 13 12:13:13 thanks, PaulFertser already said me about easter) Apr 13 12:16:43 today is a holiday? Apr 13 12:17:01 * ndnihil stabs religious freaks Apr 13 12:22:33 yeah, yesterday was zombie jesus day Apr 13 12:56:51 is there a tool like minocom or kermit? Apr 13 12:58:00 eMBee: where? Apr 13 12:59:02 sorry, for SHR Apr 13 12:59:28 * eMBee can't find anything with opkg search Apr 13 13:08:23 Does someone know a way to controll amarok2 or juk over ethernet with the openmoko? Apr 13 13:09:48 looks like mickeyterm is what i am looking for Apr 13 13:11:21 lord-carlos: i am not aware of one, but what you really need to be asking for is a remote MPRIS client :) Apr 13 13:11:47 (since that is player agnostic, bigger target audience and such) Apr 13 13:12:33 what is MPRIS? Apr 13 13:13:22 Media Player Remote Interfacing Specification :) Apr 13 13:13:32 ah ^^ Apr 13 13:13:34 ok Apr 13 13:13:38 http://mpris.org/ Apr 13 13:13:47 MultiPlayer RPG In Space!!! Apr 13 13:14:08 ndnihil: Your ideas intrigue me and i wish to subscribe your newsletter! ;) Apr 13 13:14:15 :) Apr 13 13:24:33 LEINIR! Apr 13 13:24:57 Eep! Apr 13 13:25:07 * leinir prostrates itself before Dave "Sir" :) Apr 13 13:29:40 ;) Apr 13 13:29:43 * Dave pets Leinir Apr 13 13:30:36 * leinir purrrs :) Apr 13 13:32:51 ;) Apr 13 13:52:34 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07zhone * r72d00e7bc606 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add polish translation Apr 13 13:54:59 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r4829beee73f6 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/info/plugin.vala: Correct a little debug message Apr 13 14:08:50 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r01d942a30827 10/etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/schema/phone.yaml: schema: change *-vibration and *-loop items type from int to bool Apr 13 14:13:18 7 Apr 13 14:20:11 hi, is anyone tried the automated android install Apr 13 16:20:48 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * r7547d4099776 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Apr 13 16:20:48 freesmartphone.org: otapi: API breakage: the network code will change to string Apr 13 16:20:48 freesmartphone.org: The reason is that the operatorcode consists of MCC and MNC and MNC Apr 13 16:20:48 freesmartphone.org: can be two or three digits long. Apr 13 16:20:48 freesmartphone.org: So int 1010 could either mean 010:10 or 001:10 and we can't really Apr 13 16:20:49 freesmartphone.org: tell... Apr 13 16:20:51 freesmartphone.org: This affects the following methods and signals: Apr 13 16:43:20 bitches+Dave Apr 13 16:50:17 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r6ebe8f358590 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/server.py: Apr 13 16:50:17 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix otimed GSMZoneSource Apr 13 16:50:17 freesmartphone.org: Convert mcc and mnc in GSM.Data.GetNetworkInfo lookup to int. Fixes Apr 13 16:50:17 freesmartphone.org: GSM time zone changes which got broken by commit Apr 13 16:50:17 freesmartphone.org: edbba5e161133c28cc41c96afb8d9ea98c46d3e0 Apr 13 16:50:21 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r72e147085d0f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Fix typo in logger string Apr 13 16:50:24 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r49ae8138679d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: ogsmd: GSM default codec now raises UnicodeError on errors Apr 13 16:50:27 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rde82fdffd96b 10/framework/subsystems/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Apr 13 16:50:30 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd, otimed: Catch up with API changes (operator code is string now) Apr 13 16:50:32 freesmartphone.org: This commit follows the API change that happened in the specs repository Apr 13 16:50:34 freesmartphone.org: in commit 7547d409977666eebb5117e4fc837ec6f19a4553. Apr 13 16:50:36 freesmartphone.org: Warning, this might result in your apps breaking! Apr 13 16:50:38 freesmartphone.org: Especially apps like cell monitors might be affected Apr 13 16:57:54 wassup Apr 13 16:59:05 using shr lite on 3.2 kernel -unstable Apr 13 17:18:41 what is the distribution for the freerunner that has the best battery life and power management schemes? Apr 13 17:19:08 KungFuJesus: i don't think it depends much of the distro Apr 13 17:19:31 well, it depends on the kernel I'm sure Apr 13 17:19:47 I heard the power management issues were resolved, I'm wondering in what release did that happen? Apr 13 17:21:16 KungFuJesus: resolved? Apr 13 17:21:55 meaning, the battery life is more than 3 hours Apr 13 17:22:04 I've been given numbers as high as a day Apr 13 17:22:18 KungFuJesus: those were in suspend Apr 13 17:22:29 KungFuJesus, all ditros trying to use same kernel Apr 13 17:22:39 hmm, so on average what's the battery life? Apr 13 17:22:46 idling Apr 13 17:22:48 48h in suspend Apr 13 17:23:12 and "suspend mode" is still able to receive calls? Apr 13 17:23:26 it's not suspend in the x86 sense, is it? Apr 13 17:23:55 yes it able, and yes in suspend in x86 sense Apr 13 17:23:58 (s2ram) Apr 13 17:24:05 gsm chim just can wakeup system Apr 13 17:24:16 ah I see Apr 13 17:24:43 4 seconds to desktop Apr 13 17:24:48 the proprietary operating system can attempt to wake up the system if it happens to be on a good mood Apr 13 17:24:51 what is better, om 2008.12 or FDOM? Apr 13 17:24:56 shr Apr 13 17:25:34 2008.12 from bytestore is a good 1 Apr 13 17:26:02 as in usable stuff included Apr 13 17:26:16 hmm, why is there no mail client for SHR? And will the mail clients available support PGP? Apr 13 17:27:41 also I just did simple test Apr 13 17:28:01 disable suspend, disable dimming screen, set brightness to 50% Apr 13 17:28:25 powerusage - 120mA -- neo can stay powered upto 10h Apr 13 17:28:34 Kung: you can get the claws mail client from the repositories Apr 13 17:28:37 even the lite shr current has those dang desktop settings icons Apr 13 17:28:49 there are also others, but I know claws works (on SHR testing) Apr 13 17:28:53 KungFuJesus, I think it is good enough Apr 13 17:30:03 what does "functions after resume" mean? Apr 13 17:30:12 in the table in the wiki here Apr 13 17:30:17 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Apr 13 17:30:37 it means you can suspend it Apr 13 17:30:39 then resume Apr 13 17:30:41 and it'll still work Apr 13 17:31:37 well why in the world would FDOM develop a distribution that doesn't support that? Apr 13 17:31:41 lol Apr 13 17:32:56 KungFuJesus, you know, shit happens Apr 13 17:32:59 because it's not finished yet Apr 13 17:33:42 hmm, FDOM looks really neat Apr 13 17:33:55 but it's not practical if it can't resume after suspend Apr 13 17:34:15 KungFuJesus, it depends on, I suggest you try all of them Apr 13 17:34:21 it does seem to support GPRS though. Something that my network can do, albeit expensively and slowly Apr 13 17:34:33 (qtextended, from, shr, android, etc....) Apr 13 17:35:05 most of hte packages are cross platform for moko based OSes, right? Apr 13 17:35:20 for example, tangoGPS? Apr 13 17:35:24 yes Apr 13 17:35:29 and Navit Apr 13 17:35:43 android is evil, I really want to avoid it Apr 13 17:36:49 why is it evil? Apr 13 17:37:42 it's google's way of taking a true open platform and then throwing billions of dollars at it so that openmoko can drown Apr 13 17:37:43 eMBee, hm... because it doesn't connected to *nix, at all? Apr 13 17:38:25 max_posedon Apr 13 17:38:28 oops Apr 13 17:38:35 and the whole store thing has me kind of pissed off, because that was why Openmoko was so much greater than the iPhone Apr 13 17:38:41 max_posedon: i don't call that evil but useless :-) Apr 13 17:39:16 * eMBee considers trying android as soon as it supports ssh Apr 13 17:39:32 well there's that Apr 13 17:39:44 I may consider buying a bluetooth keyboard or USB keyboard for the open moko Apr 13 17:39:51 fact is taht android current terminal is very limited Apr 13 17:40:35 bluetooth migh be simpler than usb Apr 13 17:40:47 likely Apr 13 17:40:48 usb would need an adapter no ? Apr 13 17:40:58 think so, but I've heard of it being done Apr 13 17:41:19 it would be kind of funny to carry a full size keyboard around for my phone, though Apr 13 17:41:22 lol Apr 13 17:41:44 i am still fighting to get my shr booting... i think i still didn't pass the -any moko sytem- exam Apr 13 17:41:54 KungFuJesus: no special usb adapter is needed, FR already has a fully-functional usb host which can supply power. Apr 13 17:42:11 eMBee, just few things Apr 13 17:42:46 1. I don't know did you will able use AndroidStore or not (I think not, for same reason why G1Dev can't use it) Apr 13 17:42:51 yup a whole dinky little battery full of power Apr 13 17:43:16 how much are those reasonably sized bluetooth keyboards? Apr 13 17:43:29 2. they restrict installing some type of applications (for example one, what makes android work as wifi-access-point) Apr 13 17:43:47 KungFuJesus: in fact i'm going to finally build a cable for that this evening. Apr 13 17:44:12 PaulFertser: it should have been shipped with the Y cable :) Apr 13 17:44:17 http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/ Apr 13 17:44:27 android is free software, right? so it would take a branch/fork to fix thise things Apr 13 17:44:27 ndnihil: yeah, first result or two on google Apr 13 17:44:32 those Apr 13 17:44:40 I'm tempted to get one Apr 13 17:44:49 eMBee, I can, but I can' Apr 13 17:44:56 it would go great with the stand I made for the FR Apr 13 17:44:57 t write app, that other will use Apr 13 17:44:58 lindi-: in fact if i was given a choice between a Y-cable and a green card with Lao Tzi saying, i'd choose the later ;) Apr 13 17:45:00 ndnihil: they can't be very usable Apr 13 17:45:24 it's bound to be better than using the on-screen keyboard Apr 13 17:45:28 eMBee, e.g. it is non free, because I can't "share" my apps Apr 13 17:45:29 and you save screen real-estate Apr 13 17:45:50 is the onscreen keyboard that bad? Apr 13 17:45:54 max_posedon: huh? Apr 13 17:45:56 it's just small Apr 13 17:46:09 and takes up a good portion of an already small'ish screen Apr 13 17:46:11 and why not use another openmoko to do the keyboard for the first one :-) Apr 13 17:46:27 lol, 300 dollars, it's only twice a bluetooth keyboard Apr 13 17:46:29 eMBee, if you have G1, I'm not sure, that google will not restrict my app. Apr 13 17:46:48 and I can't share you my app - no go Apr 13 17:47:01 you get a kinda strange nitendo ds with two openmoko interconnected :-) Apr 13 17:47:36 eMBee, android also has many problems from dev point of view Apr 13 17:47:55 I can't use any other API, except that android gives me Apr 13 17:51:13 bipak: /foreach server /reconnect Apr 13 17:52:59 hmm, void sounds enticing, is it usuable in 2008.11? Apr 13 17:53:01 err .12 Apr 13 17:53:18 KungFuJesus, don't ask, just try) Apr 13 17:54:18 well, I need some sort of voip provider first. SIP trunking I've thought about doing for quite a while now with asterisk Apr 13 17:54:36 is there skype support with any openmoko apps? Apr 13 17:56:03 linphone is avaible for openmoko as I know Apr 13 17:56:17 about skype - might be not Apr 13 17:56:42 well I'm excited, it should ship soon :) Apr 13 17:56:45 shr booting ! i am happy Apr 13 17:57:58 language : choose one, when there is only one choice that could be skipped... Apr 13 17:58:16 im moving back to the 20090325 shr-unstable Apr 13 17:58:23 profile : illume or illume_shr ? Apr 13 17:58:42 i am on a shr, well, i will see with that one. Apr 13 17:59:24 thanks for the feedback Apr 13 17:59:25 later guys Apr 13 18:02:05 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2cf4492d2e27 10/tests/dtest/ (README tests/sample.py): Apr 13 18:02:05 freesmartphone.org: dtest: Make dbus test case actually work Apr 13 18:02:05 freesmartphone.org: We need to import dbus... Apr 13 18:02:05 freesmartphone.org: README now explains rough goals, usage, ... Apr 13 18:04:35 PaulFertser: unbelievable, irssi has for all a solution Apr 13 18:05:53 bipak: and in case it doesn't have, it's a perl script as tweakable as any other :) Apr 13 18:06:55 /quit/quit Apr 13 18:12:37 PaulFertser: yeah, hehe Apr 13 18:13:37 /quit Apr 13 18:14:03 what is it today that is causing so much difficulty with /quit? :) Apr 13 18:17:37 hey therez Apr 13 18:17:48 man, that sounded less lame in my head Apr 13 18:19:25 TheRez? Apr 13 18:19:40 so what u got installed now badcloud?/ Apr 13 18:20:49 2008.12, mwester kernel Apr 13 18:21:11 suspends an resumes? Apr 13 18:21:57 only after idle time, but it's a bit iffy Apr 13 18:22:14 kustomizer .4 without the auto rotate Apr 13 18:22:47 yea that aggravating Apr 13 18:23:12 tell me about it Apr 13 18:23:12 manual rotate is ok with me Apr 13 18:25:24 what about you, slaxxer? Apr 13 18:26:40 just reinstalled shr unstable 20090325 on that newest kernel 3.2 Apr 13 18:27:15 att was up as soon as the desktop appeared Apr 13 18:27:48 rebooting to check again Apr 13 18:41:23 how's it running, slaxxer? Apr 13 18:43:18 no usb had to change kernel Apr 13 18:43:35 nuts Apr 13 18:43:38 wouldnt charge on usb either Apr 13 18:43:41 to which kernel? Apr 13 18:44:02 i am using latest.bin now Apr 13 18:44:26 good luck Apr 13 18:44:35 bot the 3.2 or 3.1 Apr 13 18:44:36 I'm gonna put my faith into 2008.12 Apr 13 18:44:57 what did you use before (distro) Apr 13 18:44:59 ? Apr 13 18:45:03 its ok but shr suspends great Apr 13 18:45:16 an resumes Apr 13 18:45:24 that's true Apr 13 18:45:30 2008.12 bytestore Apr 13 18:45:32 but it's so godawfully slow Apr 13 18:45:55 * Dave pulls Leinir's tail Apr 13 18:45:59 (not the resume) Apr 13 18:46:00 its faster than FDOM Apr 13 18:46:05 by orders of magnitude Apr 13 18:46:12 yes but if i dont have to reboot its not so slow Apr 13 18:46:20