**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 17 02:59:57 2009 Apr 17 03:05:21 OK, so whenever I try to play sound to my bluetooth from my FR, the bluetooth just starts playing whatever it hears from the mic. Apr 17 03:05:54 Nevermind, I got it.... Apr 17 03:10:12 OK, so the problem still is that the FSO dbus interface for bluetooth is screwed up. Apr 17 03:12:37 so hows shr testing today? Apr 17 04:46:04 hi.. can anyone tell me (or point to me any reference doc) how does openmoko s/w stack uses SMedia Glamo 3D accelerator? or how can an application make use of 3D accelerator? Apr 17 04:57:01 pundiramit: check [community] as well as [devel] and [kernel] lists. Search for "glamo" and "raster". You'll find more than you can read in one day about the whole topic. Bottom line: it's useless Apr 17 04:59:10 thanks DocScrutinizer.. i will check that Apr 17 04:59:21 http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=site%3A+lists.openmoko.org+glamo+raster&btnG=Suche&meta= Apr 17 05:00:23 oops Apr 17 05:00:27 http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=site%3Alists.openmoko.org+glamo+raster&btnG=Suche&meta= Apr 17 05:13:52 pundiramit: simple answer. u cant use the 3d. no drivers Apr 17 05:13:55 no public docs Apr 17 05:14:01 even if you could - you'd be heavily limited Apr 17 05:14:17 cant do fullscreen 3d Apr 17 05:14:21 u'd have to drop to qvga Apr 17 05:14:25 or sub-screen rendering Apr 17 05:14:32 max text size of 256x256 limits it for a lot of things Apr 17 05:14:37 no render-to-texture Apr 17 05:14:44 and u'll have slow texture uploads Apr 17 05:15:00 and the engine isnt that fast if u read the specs Apr 17 05:15:07 that is *IF* u had drivers Apr 17 05:16:30 sucks dont it Apr 17 05:16:50 sucks not having drivers Apr 17 05:16:56 or sucks not being publicly documented Apr 17 05:17:02 or just the chip sucks in general? Apr 17 05:17:08 yeah leak the suckers Apr 17 05:17:24 glamo wasnt intended for vga Apr 17 05:17:28 :D Apr 17 05:17:35 it u read the docs u will see it was very much intended for qvga Apr 17 05:17:37 and below Apr 17 05:17:38 whats sdl Apr 17 05:17:51 vga it can just manage - at an outer limit Apr 17 05:18:00 cause i dont think the moko sdl+sdl is cool with each other Apr 17 05:18:16 apt: glamo is http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alists.openmoko.org+glamo+raster Apr 17 05:18:17 okay, DocScrutinizer Apr 17 05:18:18 er moko+sd; Apr 17 05:18:53 i'm retardely messed up Apr 17 05:19:29 smoko-kernel/2007-October/000306.html - Similar pages Apr 17 05:19:29 Xorg / Glamo ? Apr 17 05:20:10 so anyway (sorry pastecache) Apr 17 05:20:58 apt: glamo is also a piece of shit Apr 17 05:20:59 DocScrutinizer: please, watch your language. Apr 17 05:21:18 pfff Apr 17 05:21:24 :D Apr 17 05:21:53 ~die Apr 17 05:21:54 * apt takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. Apr 17 05:23:39 ~glamo Apr 17 05:23:40 glamo is probably http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alists.openmoko.org+glamo+raster Apr 17 05:23:42 somedude >"i heard from a friend that glamo is cool and all opengl-es but i never saw the fruits of it" Apr 17 05:25:07 ntfn: and that friend read anything about the chip other than what was on the "brochure" sheet...? Apr 17 05:25:27 i dunno the openmoko wiki aswell Apr 17 05:25:31 thats more than I was looking for :) thanks... btw can't we put all this info (3D limitations) on openmoko wiki.. it may be beneficial for the next rookie Apr 17 05:26:53 its a wiki Apr 17 05:26:56 anyone can put info there Apr 17 05:27:01 go ahead and put it there Apr 17 05:28:26 ok i will do that Apr 17 05:31:27 :D Apr 17 05:31:47 i still think my phones the bomb Apr 17 05:32:07 i need to do that buzz fix Apr 17 05:32:18 *still* Apr 17 05:33:44 though we could talk about what to buy into next Apr 17 05:34:07 how are those other phones running illume Apr 17 07:26:10 can anybody give me a pointer to the current opimd git repo (if there is one) ? Apr 17 07:34:27 munga: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git Apr 17 07:35:45 duh !! it's a subsytem of frameworkd ! thanks :) Apr 17 07:42:12 munga: it starts with o and ends with d ;-) Apr 17 07:43:07 OD of o and d Apr 17 07:44:30 yes, I tought it wasn't integrated yet in the main tree ... Apr 17 08:30:57 morning :) Apr 17 08:43:48 bad luck,make fso-gta02-milestone5-image fail Apr 17 08:44:39 log is,ERROR: Could not include required file sato-icon-theme.inc while parsing sato-icon-theme_0.1.bb Apr 17 08:45:03 i do find those two files in same dir Apr 17 08:46:12 hi, where can I download the edje-tools? Apr 17 09:20:13 ahoi Apr 17 09:22:35 hey Apr 17 09:23:08 fso 5.1 illume doesn't come with much, does it? I only got htop, snapshot, numpty and terminal Apr 17 09:24:14 use shr that is fso illume based and it has apps included Apr 17 09:28:34 with shr I can't receive sms's that were sent to me before I power up Apr 17 09:29:25 but it works in fos? isn't it the same software? Apr 17 09:29:53 I can't pinpoint where the fault is Apr 17 09:32:00 ERROR: '/home/moko/SHR/shr-testing/shr/openembedded/recipes/shr/shr-contacts_git.bb' failed Apr 17 09:32:08 make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. Apr 17 09:32:15 building shr-testing Apr 17 09:41:19 dns53, it's probably the phone stacks they use Apr 17 10:05:07 no gsm on fso 5.1ms under stable kernel? Apr 17 10:06:15 nm Apr 17 10:06:27 it requires zhone to be run... :P Apr 17 10:07:07 hello guys Apr 17 10:07:19 does the media player on shr work ? Apr 17 10:07:26 pythm? Apr 17 10:07:35 and with headphones Apr 17 10:08:02 I've heard it works with headphones Apr 17 10:08:15 I'm gonna try headphones now on fso 5.1 Apr 17 10:10:46 well and it seems, there is no media player :) Apr 17 10:10:53 any recomindation ? Apr 17 10:10:57 and a web browser to Apr 17 10:12:38 where should i enter wifi info ? Apr 17 10:13:47 mplayer Apr 17 10:13:50 minimo/dillo Apr 17 10:14:11 one sec Apr 17 10:25:07 VLC is also a nice player :) but you need to find small players, else they won't fit in the memory Apr 17 10:26:14 regarding wifi info, /etc/network/interfaces Apr 17 10:26:32 (and) wpa_supplicant.conf Apr 17 10:26:40 but you should read up Apr 17 10:27:03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko Apr 17 10:27:13 anyone get minimo up and running in fso? Apr 17 10:27:19 tried --force-depends Apr 17 10:28:38 dillo won't install either Apr 17 10:28:57 any idea if Tremor runs well/at all on the Freerunner? Apr 17 10:29:20 i just opkg mplayer Apr 17 10:29:24 but nothing shows Apr 17 10:29:32 does it need frontend ? Apr 17 10:29:43 does the freerunner have hardware floating-point? Apr 17 10:30:22 rhaeder vlc work good on om ? Apr 17 10:30:34 I'm guessing vlc would be kinda slow Apr 17 10:31:46 vlc's slow on my Athlon XP 2800+ system Apr 17 10:31:56 mplayer works much better Apr 17 10:32:23 ok :) Apr 17 10:32:32 i just installe dmplayer Apr 17 10:32:36 i just installed mplayer Apr 17 10:32:43 what frontend should i use ? Apr 17 10:35:50 ill try this http://www.opkg.org/package_21.html Apr 17 10:37:21 damn it wont show to ? Apr 17 10:40:02 gfather: intone is a decent mp3 player. much better than pythm (imo) Apr 17 10:40:24 only mp3 , no video ? Apr 17 10:40:55 husku i want video more than audio Apr 17 10:41:11 gfather: only music. the creator is starting to work on videoplayer also, but i have not tested anything yet... Apr 17 10:41:48 husku any recomnd for video player ? Apr 17 10:42:19 gfather: no, i've used plain mplayer-xglamo but only twice :) Apr 17 10:45:14 husku i just installed mplayer , but it not showing ? Apr 17 10:45:40 gfather: plain mplayer does not have gui :) Apr 17 10:46:12 husku i just installed http://www.opkg.org/package_21.html Apr 17 10:46:20 as a front end , didnt show to Apr 17 10:46:25 any other front end ? Apr 17 10:50:18 gfather: i dont know Apr 17 10:51:30 :S Apr 17 10:51:41 im trying pythm now Apr 17 10:56:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r9a6069992625 10/ (ChangeLog gsm0710mux/channel.vala gsm0710mux/transport.vala): Apr 17 10:56:09 freesmartphone.org: Prohibit reding (hence transferring more input) for a virtual channel, if the modem sets Apr 17 10:56:09 freesmartphone.org: the FC bit for this line. Apr 17 10:59:03 whats the vlc package name ? Apr 17 10:59:24 gfather: pythm is only for music also... afaik Apr 17 10:59:46 yes , i figured that out :( Apr 17 11:00:06 damn , its like nothing available for video playback Apr 17 11:06:57 im trying this now http://www.opkg.org/package_203.html Apr 17 11:08:56 can't get this 2.5mm adapter to work right Apr 17 11:09:02 Motorola E398 Apr 17 11:13:41 badcloud: where's the problem? either it's the correct adapther (see wiki. think I elaborated on pinout there) or you'll never get it to work Apr 17 11:14:51 well, I can hear from it when it goes in 2/3 of the way Apr 17 11:15:11 and once by chance the speaker went off and the headset worked completely Apr 17 11:15:15 (all the way in) Apr 17 11:15:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r89e9e7be8ca2 10/src/Makefile.am: fix typo in Makefile.am Apr 17 11:15:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r50079c58e6f4 10/ (AUTHORS MAINTAINERS): Apr 17 11:15:39 freesmartphone.org: Add required MAINTAINERS file. The tarball for this release is now at Apr 17 11:15:39 freesmartphone.org: http://www.freesmartphone.org/sources/ Apr 17 11:15:40 so it's wrong adapter or wrong pinout of headset/phones Apr 17 11:16:18 badcloud well i should have origonal one for om , and yes it dosent work right Apr 17 11:16:32 hae to be half way or 2/3 to get it full working Apr 17 11:16:44 and when i put it , speakers from om dont stop Apr 17 11:16:55 I knew it Apr 17 11:16:56 usual e.t is (from tip to base): left, right,(mic), gnd Apr 17 11:17:17 I bought the M. E398 adapter because a few months back it was on the wiki page Apr 17 11:17:21 now it's gone... Apr 17 11:17:38 i have the om headset bought from pluster Apr 17 11:17:48 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#Analog_wired_Headset Apr 17 11:17:53 gfather: that's nonsense. sorry Apr 17 11:18:10 DocScrutinizer ? Apr 17 11:19:48 http://www.pulster.de/ Apr 17 11:23:31 can't get the volume app to work on fso Apr 17 11:26:29 speaker (one!) can't switch off if jack isn't completely inserted. speaker mode will result in sound on one channel of headset only. insert jack all the way! if userland doesn't correctly switch to headset mode, do 'alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoheadset.state restore' -> headset will work *real* stereo Apr 17 11:28:33 and speaker mutes Apr 17 11:30:21 no such file Apr 17 11:30:51 so correct the spelling please :-/ Apr 17 11:31:28 right Apr 17 11:31:32 sorry :) Apr 17 11:32:52 ok, tried it but no dice Apr 17 11:33:56 wait, headset.state worked Apr 17 11:34:00 nice Apr 17 11:35:20 not very strong output Apr 17 11:35:26 but great nonetheless Apr 17 11:35:30 thanks! Apr 17 11:38:24 which is the default scenareo? Apr 17 11:38:35 *scenario Apr 17 11:40:03 there's no such thing like default Apr 17 11:40:52 right Apr 17 11:40:57 well then, for handset Apr 17 11:41:02 usually you'll want *speaker*.state to playback clicks and ringtones Apr 17 11:41:27 for phone u usually need gsmhandset.state Apr 17 11:42:04 for phone via wired headset: gsmheadset.state Apr 17 11:42:22 I bet u guessed that one Apr 17 11:42:36 sure Apr 17 11:42:54 but now there's no sound playback from the speaker after restoring the handset Apr 17 11:43:40 gsmhandset is for GSM via earpiece Apr 17 11:43:55 usually you'll want *speaker*.state to playback clicks and ringtones Apr 17 11:43:57 ah, should have guessed that Apr 17 11:45:18 usually FSO should do all this switching for you. I suspect the alsactrrl bug is still around Apr 17 11:45:58 well, I can't seem to get sound from the speaker now Apr 17 11:46:01 the headset works Apr 17 11:46:41 wait Apr 17 11:46:53 'stereoout' is the one for speaker output Apr 17 11:47:01 weird, I'd have thought it to be mono Apr 17 11:47:23 remove headset plug, 'alsactl -f ..bla../*speaker*.state restore' Apr 17 11:48:15 ok, sorry. yeah its probably stereoout. it's been stereo on 1973 Apr 17 11:49:13 still on FR it's actually mono as you got one speaker only Apr 17 11:50:46 right Apr 17 12:03:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rbe461a8c713c 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/audio/alsa-scenario.vala: fix alsactl invocation bug. Spotted by DocScrutinizer -- thanks! Apr 17 12:32:10 ok, I have a BT headset now. mmh, how to connect it to the FR Apr 17 12:32:14 * spaetz checks OM wiki Apr 17 13:18:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwVDCLIvW4E Apr 17 13:42:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r114044266a09 10/ (ChangeLog MAINTAINERS Makefile.am configure.ac): release as 0.3.3 Apr 17 13:48:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r0c713f42f078 10/ (AUTHORS ChangeLog MAINTAINERS Makefile.am configure.ac): release as 0.3.3 Apr 17 14:12:21 does om2009 come with the gms reregistering workaround? Apr 17 14:13:59 Hi ! Is there a way to put the wireless chip in master mode ? I want to turn the phone into an access point ... Apr 17 14:14:05 nope Apr 17 14:15:11 no way to turn it to an access point :( Apr 17 14:15:19 mwester: the answer was for Think-Free I suppose? Apr 17 14:16:56 Answer was for Think-Free --- I have no idea what workaround you speak of. Apr 17 14:17:18 bipak_: the 1024 bug? Apr 17 14:18:48 I found that package : http://www.opkg.org/package_176.html who seems to do what I want but I'm using debian and it doesn't work Apr 17 14:19:10 so i suppose it's possible manually ... Apr 17 14:19:12 ndnihil: yes Apr 17 14:20:15 Think-Free: not sure what kernel you're using, but there are bugs in the wifi driver/module Apr 17 14:20:16 Think-Free: ad-hoc ist not master mode Apr 17 14:21:15 An acces point isn't in ad-hoc and that seems to provide an access point Apr 17 14:21:59 with ad-hoc you can only have one client Apr 17 14:24:00 no Apr 17 14:24:16 you can have more then one clent with ad-hoc Apr 17 14:24:19 *client Apr 17 14:25:05 so if i turn the card to ad-hoc I can provide internet access to more than one client ? Apr 17 14:25:20 yes Apr 17 14:25:27 great :) Apr 17 14:25:34 i will try it :) Apr 17 14:25:38 tks Apr 17 14:32:14 bipac wheres this 2009 u speak of? Apr 17 14:33:15 brian_: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ Apr 17 14:33:39 slaxxer: https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 Apr 17 14:34:59 ok i have unstable an it works well an has zhone an paroli working Apr 17 14:35:24 2.6.29 kernel Apr 17 14:35:33 ah ok Apr 17 14:35:42 thanks Apr 17 14:35:51 are you affected by the #1024 bug? Apr 17 14:36:19 reregerstring? Apr 17 14:36:24 yea Apr 17 14:36:31 no not at all Apr 17 14:36:50 i have a v5 phone Apr 17 14:36:54 never? Apr 17 14:37:00 hm i have v6 Apr 17 14:37:09 well i did back on 2008.8 Apr 17 14:37:57 so you say unstable works "stable"? :) Apr 17 14:38:27 on the community list somebody mentioned that it will be possibly break in the coming days Apr 17 14:38:30 i havent tried wifi but yes it works ok Apr 17 14:39:08 i used daily from a few days ago Apr 17 14:39:30 what kernel are you using that wifi works under? Apr 17 14:39:34 ok cool with zhone or paroli? Apr 17 14:39:56 both are on there an working Apr 17 14:40:03 bipak_: om2009 uses FSO, that means it has a workaround for #1024. Apr 17 14:40:13 PaulFertser: ah ok, great Apr 17 14:40:22 paroli comes out of suspend very fast Apr 17 14:41:15 i mist some sms with zhone already :( Apr 17 14:41:16 bipak_: but if you often experience it, it's better to disable calypso deep sleep in config once and for all (instead of adaptive behaviour). Apr 17 14:41:22 maybe switching to paroli is the better idea Apr 17 14:41:37 PaulFertser: a it can be changed in a config? great :) Apr 17 14:41:39 where? Apr 17 15:21:23 Well, I've got A2DP working really nicely. Apr 17 15:21:38 whats it Apr 17 15:21:39 ? Apr 17 15:21:48 My FR now works very well as a portable media player. Apr 17 15:22:09 Digital_Pioneer, what software do you suggest? Apr 17 15:22:11 Bluetooth profile. Stereo sound and all that. :) Apr 17 15:22:55 max_posedon: mplayer. You have to have a bluetooth device in your /etc/asound.conf (very easy to make) and a line in your ~/.mplayer/config to make it use bluetooth. Apr 17 15:23:05 and may be anybody know, is it possible neo - a2dp - bluetooth - 3.5mm jack? Apr 17 15:23:57 max_posedon: The FR has a 2.5mm jack, I believe. A2DP works for me, and that's just a specific protocol of bluetooth. Apr 17 15:24:59 yes, I just want have some device Apr 17 15:25:17 bluetooth device, where I can connect my phones Apr 17 15:25:25 (need 3.5mm jack on it) Apr 17 15:25:41 max_posedon: Bluetooth has no jacks. Apr 17 15:25:46 s/phones/Headphones Apr 17 15:25:59 as protocal - yes) Apr 17 15:26:02 I just bought this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875978056 which may be a bit to pricey for you, but it's a great bluetooth headset. :P Apr 17 15:26:04 but may be some device present Apr 17 15:26:29 max_posedon: Unless you want to run a hardware mod, I hear headphones on the FR don't sound very good. :\ Apr 17 15:26:49 Digital_Pioneer, you doesn't understand me) Apr 17 15:26:59 No, I guess not... :( Apr 17 15:27:44 "A[neo] - a2dp - B[bluetooth - 3.5mm jack]" <- I what B device Apr 17 15:28:14 B will "speak" with neo by a2dp, and provide me 3.5mm jack Apr 17 15:31:03 Oh. Why on earth would you want that?? P Apr 17 15:31:04 :P Apr 17 15:31:23 I would think it would be easer to do the hardware mood. Apr 17 15:31:25 *mod Apr 17 15:33:17 I need this because I want use my Sennhieser HD555 headphones, Apr 17 15:33:34 I already have 7mm -> 3,5mm jack converter Apr 17 15:34:13 if I'll add 3.5mm->2.5mm it will be more ugly and unusable Apr 17 15:34:29 also, I think neo can't produce enough power for it Apr 17 15:34:50 ROFL!! That would be hilarious. Apr 17 15:35:06 so, such bloototh device with few power battery(3V?) can help me Apr 17 15:35:40 I've never heard of such a device... A laptop will do it, but I don't know of any dedicated devices for it... Apr 17 15:36:02 Doesn't mean they don't exist, by any means though. Good luck, wish I could point you in the right direction. Apr 17 15:36:43 another solution, is just buy regular bluetooth device, and make it myself) Apr 17 15:36:53 True. Apr 17 15:38:26 (actually I don't even dream about such device with 7mm jack) Apr 17 15:38:38 Yeah, LOL Apr 17 15:38:42 hehe Apr 17 15:39:13 Googling found me several devices that take 3.5mm input and transmit it over BT, but nothing that does what you need. Apr 17 15:39:50 Where does shortom keep its config file? Apr 17 15:54:24 tell me - has the shr unstable/testing swap happened? Apr 17 15:54:37 reflash Apr 17 16:46:40 I am a bid confused. I tought that GTA03 was canceled but now someone hase made a mailing list to discusse idears for it (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2009-April/000011.html ) Apr 17 16:47:50 it wasn't canceled, it is postponed Apr 17 16:47:56 k Apr 17 16:48:04 how long? Apr 17 16:48:34 who knows... Apr 17 16:49:09 the people who desicde when Debian is stable :) Apr 17 16:49:16 noone :) Apr 17 17:04:18 max_posedon: no, gta03 was effectively canceled. Postponed is just a fancy way to say that. Apr 17 17:05:44 so why has someone made a mailing list to descusse gta03 if it has been canceled? Apr 17 17:05:46 wwhich doesn't mean discussion on future phones is entirely pointless. Apr 17 17:05:50 just mostly Apr 17 17:05:58 I'm optimistic person, and I'm ready use neo say 3 years Apr 17 17:06:20 0.5 year already passed., so all what I want. smth interested to buy in 2.5 years Apr 17 17:06:40 PaulFertser, I don't think that OM have so `long` plans. Apr 17 17:07:33 Is Om2009 worth a try? Apr 17 17:08:06 I dont noe about others but if there was a gta03-sort-of-phone (gta02 +something new -buzz) I would by it right now or whenever it is going to be released Apr 17 17:08:42 har, and just to think there almost was a glamoless gta02 as gta03 ... Apr 17 17:08:44 beer_, gta02A8 will released soon (-buzz) Apr 17 17:09:20 azaghal: I was using OM2009 around 2month ago and there it have someproblems when people caled. I dont know if it have been fixed by now Apr 17 17:09:30 beer_: Thanks ;) Apr 17 17:10:02 azaghal: have you tried qt extended imrpoved? Apr 17 17:10:10 Hm... I don't think so. Apr 17 17:10:32 max_posedon: Then they just need to make some new on it Apr 17 17:11:13 azaghal: I like that bether than OM, but it is a mather of taste Apr 17 17:11:26 I might give Neovento a try. Apr 17 17:11:36 I still haven't tried that one :) Apr 17 17:11:43 tried that, it is simpe but nice Apr 17 17:11:45 I did try Qtopia earlier, though. Apr 17 17:12:18 qt improved extened looks like qtopia 4.4.3 with a bit of bugfixing Apr 17 17:12:50 I have also tried Android but there was to much noise when I was taling with others Apr 17 17:14:11 beer_: the "noise" is the gsm buzz, and is a hardware problem -- all distros will have that; it can only be fixed by a hardware fix. Apr 17 17:14:49 mwester: it was even worise than the gsm noise Apr 17 17:15:32 normal I would not hear that noise bit on andorid I did, and people could not hear me. Normal they can but have problem Apr 17 17:15:57 Anyone know if there's a way to make Intone change mplayer's nice to -10 or so? :P Apr 17 17:19:30 Digital_Pioneer, are you sure that you want it? may be just increase cache value? Apr 17 17:27:54 mmcinit;ext2load mmc 0:1 0x10400000 /boot/uImage;bootm 0x10400000 Apr 17 17:28:07 doh, sorry misdirected paste Apr 17 17:37:42 max_posedon: True.... Apr 17 17:55:57 if gta03 is dead why are they still discusing it at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2009-April/thread.html ? Apr 17 17:56:11 beer_: it isn't dead Apr 17 17:56:29 it won't happen the way we all thought it would happen Apr 17 17:57:48 beer_: they discuss a new project, basically. Apr 17 17:57:51 what is going to happen then? Apr 17 17:57:59 sound nice Apr 17 17:58:24 so that was the "plan b"-thing? Apr 17 17:59:22 beer_: plan b is unknown to general public yet. Apr 17 17:59:22 beer_: it's secret at the moment - but yes, it's "plan b" Apr 17 17:59:39 beer_: nobody knows what is going to happen, future is hard to predict right. Apr 17 18:00:42 yees it is but it is nice to know what the present looks like Apr 17 18:00:51 * shellevil wants his present. Apr 17 18:04:26 OT: does anybody know a simple way to clean laptop's heat sink (the hard being a full disassembly)? Apr 17 18:06:48 compressed air? Apr 17 18:08:14 bruce_c: i'm afraid it will leave all the dust inside, and it will get back to the heat sink pretty soon. Apr 17 18:12:10 PaulFertser: possibly. Some will be removed, but it's possible it'll be blown into the PSU etc. causing more damage Apr 17 18:12:58 bruce_c: yes, that's another reason why i wouldn't try it. But the fact is: most laptops should be cleaned after about 1-2 years. And i can't believe all servicemen are going through painful complete disassembly procedure. Apr 17 18:13:29 soak in dilute antimatter. Apr 17 18:13:50 I've used a vacuum cleaner. Apr 17 18:14:00 sealed onto the fan outlet Apr 17 18:14:42 shellevil: did the fan start to glow and smoke? Apr 17 18:14:50 I was just going to ask that Apr 17 18:15:07 I've burnt up fan bushings doing just that Apr 17 18:15:20 Oh fuck Apr 17 18:17:06 worked for me - on several fans, without issue. Apr 17 18:17:24 I can see it destroying fans - I wouldn't do it for more than a second Apr 17 18:17:45 Second is definetely not enough for a 2-years dust layer. Apr 17 18:18:06 as long as the vac doesnt make the fan spin too fast it should be fine Apr 17 18:18:24 "too fast" is the key word here. Apr 17 18:18:25 they get unstable at ~12k rpm :) Apr 17 18:18:36 No consistent way to ensure that. Apr 17 18:18:46 stick a paper clip in the fan blades through the vent slot Apr 17 18:18:52 keep it from spinning Apr 17 18:18:59 * DocScrutinizer considers starting a terrorist carreer. nmap==hackertool; searchengines==1Y prison (piratebay); german police going to censor DNS and you can't even control them. GRRRR >:-(( Apr 17 18:19:19 linux==suspicious Apr 17 18:19:26 there was some simple fix when usb networking does not come up on the moko Apr 17 18:19:28 ifup usb0? Apr 17 18:19:35 doesn't quite seem to work Apr 17 18:19:36 welcome to the NWO Apr 17 18:19:40 see blog.fefe.de and also the blog on schneier.com Apr 17 18:19:41 heh symantec even flag netcat as a hacker tool Apr 17 18:19:46 modprobe something? Apr 17 18:20:48 DocScrutinizer: we should be careful not to have our FR panic in public - everyone knows small objects with blinking red LEDs are bombs Apr 17 18:21:15 IDIOTS. I *hate* all those ignorant politicians Apr 17 18:22:36 and the lazy third of people knowing better but not stopping then nevertheless Apr 17 18:24:44 Gromgull: 'depmod -a' and then a reboot might be worth a try Apr 17 18:24:57 s/then/those politicians/ Apr 17 18:24:58 DocScrutinizer meant: and the lazy third of people knowing better but not stopping those politicians nevertheless Apr 17 19:31:25 guys I'm having problems following this guide: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain , while installing perl-module-tie-refhash (libedje-dev dependency) it throws stupid error: sh: rm: command not found, I checked $PATH etc, everything is correct Apr 17 19:32:17 lakeman: sorry for not providing a solution, but most devs here use OE. Apr 17 19:33:05 ok ;( Apr 17 19:49:15 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r280074afeaa1 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/powercontrol_neo.py: Apr 17 19:49:15 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: fix USB Host mode with latest kernels. Patch by Paul Fertser. Apr 17 19:49:15 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Paul Fertser Apr 17 19:49:35 lakeman, you should check the wiki toolchain page for "Troubleshooting" or the "Talk" version of the page of the page. It sounds familiar, but I can't check at the moment. Apr 17 19:58:01 PaulFertser: "fix usb"? what was it this time you broke? ;-D Apr 17 19:59:50 DocScrutinizer: usb hostmode didn't work because driver name changed from s3c2410-ohci to s3c-ohci. Apr 17 20:01:11 tztztz, can't you keep the the name? I told ya changing it every other week won't do any good ;D Apr 17 20:01:46 It wasn't me in the first place. And btw, it makes sense as this driver is generic and can be used on s3c6410 too. Apr 17 20:02:27