**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 18 02:59:57 2009 Apr 18 04:34:37 <[_pablomino_]> Hello Apr 18 04:34:46 Hi Apr 18 04:34:48 <[_pablomino_]> Is anyone using QT Extended? Apr 18 04:34:59 Not me. Apr 18 04:34:59 <[_pablomino_]> I have some trouble with the volume of the speaker Apr 18 04:35:11 <[_pablomino_]> I would like to have it louder Apr 18 04:35:17 <[_pablomino_]> what are you using? Apr 18 04:35:48 2008.12+Kustomizer on one phone, and SHR on another. Apr 18 04:36:36 <[_pablomino_]> Do you have 2 neos? Apr 18 04:36:39 3 Apr 18 04:36:51 <[_pablomino_]> jeje Apr 18 04:37:04 <[_pablomino_]> I have a GTA02, but I bought a GTA01 just because Apr 18 04:37:14 <[_pablomino_]> and my boss told me I was mad.. Apr 18 04:37:23 <[_pablomino_]> now I see I am not that odd ! Apr 18 04:37:42 I don't see how anyone can get by with just one. Apr 18 04:38:10 <[_pablomino_]> that is so right! Apr 18 04:38:12 THere's a *reason* they're offered in 10-packs. Apr 18 04:38:31 <[_pablomino_]> Oh, that is the reason? Apr 18 04:38:58 'cuz I want 10. Apr 18 04:39:53 <[_pablomino_]> I am just a starter, I have many troubles setting up my phone but I enjoyed them all! Apr 18 04:40:11 It's not a phone. It's a hobby. Apr 18 04:40:41 <[_pablomino_]> that is what I explain to my friends and coworkers... Apr 18 04:41:53 <[_pablomino_]> I am trying to make my neo to work with a virtual keyboard i bought Apr 18 04:42:14 <[_pablomino_]> on the wiki the keyboard is supported and was tested by someone Apr 18 04:42:27 <[_pablomino_]> but I am still unsuccessful Apr 18 04:42:51 <[_pablomino_]> have you tried any bluetooth tech with the neo? Apr 18 04:42:57 I'm sorry, I'll be of no help - I've never used QT even once. Apr 18 04:46:16 <[_pablomino_]> I have been trying to configure BT via command line, but still unsuccessful Apr 18 05:10:27 yup thats what we need Apr 18 05:13:44 KenYoung: wait until you see the special case color I got here ;D Apr 18 05:14:12 Oooo - You've got a customized case? Apr 18 05:14:31 gold sprinkles? Apr 18 05:14:45 nope, probably a prototype from plastics mnf Apr 18 05:14:49 ivory Apr 18 05:14:56 yup sth like glitter Apr 18 05:15:06 I'd like a real ivory case. Apr 18 05:15:23 machined ivory:) Apr 18 05:15:35 sweet Apr 18 05:15:37 Maybe Tuxbrain will eventually offer one. Apr 18 05:17:03 * DocScrutinizer thinks about handcrafting one of the cases to cover with chips all over Apr 18 05:17:11 heh sprinkles Apr 18 05:21:48 DocScrutinizer, Will this spiffy new case be publicly available at some point? Apr 18 05:35:48 has anybody broken an lcd or case on a openmoko phone yet? Apr 18 05:36:54 i rember i dude said he was walking around an cracked the screen but thats all ive heard about Apr 18 05:37:01 em Apr 18 05:37:04 slaxxer: there are reports of broken LCD. Why? Apr 18 05:37:29 it seems the case design is very tough Apr 18 05:37:56 KenYoung: no plans yet :D Apr 18 05:38:11 Zut! Apr 18 05:38:27 were the screens broken at the edge mostly? Apr 18 05:39:16 dunno Apr 18 05:40:50 think the incident you mentioned was the only one I know of Apr 18 05:41:40 though someone else asked about replacement screen, but afaikndue to water damage Apr 18 05:42:08 There were afew broken screens last year (mostly dropped, a few possibly flexed too much) Apr 18 05:42:26 someone found a source in China and was able to source replacements Apr 18 05:42:38 duh Apr 18 05:42:43 plus ther were requests to the list for dead neos to canabalise Apr 18 05:42:50 never heard of this source Apr 18 05:42:54 pointer? Apr 18 05:43:13 see iff I still have the mail - might be before I started archiving the list ... Apr 18 05:43:39 there are archives in web Apr 18 05:44:01 pipermail.openmoko.org Apr 18 05:44:08 ugh! Apr 18 05:44:16 sth like that Apr 18 05:44:24 thats why I keep my own - searching sucks Apr 18 05:44:31 sure Apr 18 05:44:51 even sucks on kmail when you reach 70k Apr 18 05:45:00 mails :) Apr 18 05:45:21 not bytes Apr 18 05:46:12 searching my mailarchive takes ~30min Apr 18 05:46:32 on a 1.6ghz machine Apr 18 05:49:47 evolution is fast - done! - but only some contacts from when I broke/fixed the gsm antenna Apr 18 05:50:00 asking about how to open it as he had a cracked screen Apr 18 05:51:23 k, thanks anyway Apr 18 05:58:30 DocScrutinizer: googling finds the display TD028TTEC1 has suppliers, but Apr 18 05:58:44 there is a note that OM used an assembled LCD panel Apr 18 05:59:01 with a separate touchscreen component Apr 18 05:59:29 from memory, the original was able to source this as well (not sure if he transferred his, Apr 18 05:59:32 hmm, we got touchscreen integrated. so the mere display probably is a little cumbersome to replace Apr 18 05:59:37 or was able to get a full panel Apr 18 06:00:08 canabalisation looks like the way to go - got a deanun? Apr 18 06:00:26 s/deanun/deadun/ Apr 18 06:00:28 billk_ meant: canabalisation looks like the way to go - got a deadun? Apr 18 06:00:59 whastill no idea what that might mean ;) Apr 18 06:02:42 * DocScrutinizer just wondering whether he should finally kill a mistreated LCM by opening the metal case. never done this before Apr 18 06:03:39 go for it doc Apr 18 06:03:55 ahhhh, it hurts. poor LCM Apr 18 06:04:17 all in the name of progress Apr 18 06:04:43 on the other hand, looks like a minimal invasive surgery Apr 18 06:04:59 is there a place to get mplayer ? Apr 18 06:05:21 fso-unstable Apr 18 06:05:23 hehe, my swiss army knife Apr 18 06:09:11 pah, eeeasy Apr 18 06:10:09 but also not quite enlightening Apr 18 06:10:38 next step of operation Apr 18 06:11:30 what hot flash the touchscreen onto the monitor? Apr 18 06:15:30 hot flash?? Apr 18 06:15:51 hairdrier? Apr 18 06:16:11 freeing the actual lcd really hurts, and nasty noises as well o.O Apr 18 06:16:16 :-o Apr 18 06:17:28 anyway, the funny ideas about reworking the LCM by removing the backlite to get a transflexive type of display - they probably have to die ;D Apr 18 06:18:22 but you can get a nice pocket mirror from it Apr 18 06:18:36 like a sun light usable ?monitor Apr 18 06:19:05 yeah this one. I refused to even comment on that Apr 18 06:19:20 on [community] Apr 18 06:19:20 :) Apr 18 06:25:00 phhhoooo, sealed with silicone Apr 18 06:27:27 plain chip face down into the silicone slime. and what a nice chip: 20mm x 2mm Apr 18 06:27:56 serial number lasered to the waver backside Apr 18 06:28:28 into the silicon Apr 18 06:29:39 the WSOD crap **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 18 09:02:14 2009 Apr 18 09:37:11 Barcelona BuzzFix party 1th neo done !!!!8-) Apr 18 10:58:36 I am trying to settup networking with my freerunner and tried to fellow this guide http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking under " Simple Manual Linux Configuration " but with "sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0" I get a"Cannot find device "usb0"" What can I do? Apr 18 10:59:49 modprobe g_ether Apr 18 11:00:36 FATAL: Module g_ether not found. Apr 18 11:01:05 mh. no idea then. Apr 18 11:04:19 modprobe cdc_ether Apr 18 11:04:25 g_ether is for the phone Apr 18 11:06:06 "sudo modprobe cdc_ether" is done with no errors, then "sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0" and it still failes with Cannot find device "usb0" Apr 18 11:07:05 <_phil> perhaps it came up as eth1 Apr 18 11:07:30 <_phil> depends on the hwaddr wether it comes up as usbX or as ethX Apr 18 11:07:37 What dmesg says? Apr 18 11:08:53 I think it is eth1 since "[ 1237.463948] eth1: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:2d:9d" Apr 18 11:10:03 looks like it is eth1 Apr 18 11:10:10 now I can ping the phone Apr 18 11:42:23 is gzip support not included with SHR testing? Apr 18 11:53:51 how do I enter a new password for an old network on shr? Apr 18 11:53:58 (wifi) Apr 18 12:12:18 is there a problem with the SD card driver in 2.6.29 (shr-unstable)? I get told the filesystem device is larger than the physical device Apr 18 12:12:38 so I get loads of errors as it tries to read past the end of the device Apr 18 12:15:38 hm lol, i phone went into suspend while phoning... im using yesterdays om2009-fso unstable Apr 18 12:16:30 i have set supend after blank to off and even blank to off in illumes power menu. it doesnt seem to work :( Apr 18 12:16:32 at least it's living up to its name Apr 18 12:16:34 any idea? Apr 18 12:16:39 ndnihil: hehe Apr 18 12:16:42 should be technically possible - you just need the GSM and the codec running to phone, if i remember the schematics correctly Apr 18 12:19:34 gsm, audio mixer, psu all configured right when suspend happens Apr 18 12:32:07 Is the manteiner of http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu here? Apr 18 12:38:36 i've installed gesture support and now my screen rotates as i move my device, how do i turn it off or do i need to remove the packages? Apr 18 12:44:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r8c89f6c412c3 10/ (configure.ac src/main.vala): post-release version bump; restore original signal handler in signal handler Apr 18 12:48:43 hello i want to compile an elm program with the toolchain. what i have to do to include elm into the toolchain? Apr 18 12:50:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * rf15ff7c58946 10/mickeyterm/ (TODO mickeyterm): mickeyterm: if called without arguments, look for fso-abyss first, then fallback to gsm0710muxd Apr 18 12:51:39 IIRC you can install the libraries with opkg Apr 18 12:51:51 there were some talks on the mailing list how to extend the toolchains Apr 18 12:51:53 i don't recall the details Apr 18 12:54:59 ok, i read somewhere the command opkg-target but when i type this, it wasn't found Apr 18 13:21:37 How does one force fast-charge mode on a current SHR-Unstable? The wiki seems to be out of date. Apr 18 13:25:43 * bruce_c wonders why GPS settings aren't saved across a reboot Apr 18 13:26:09 why is such simple stuff still broken? Apr 18 13:26:28 bruce_c: gps settings? Apr 18 13:26:47 lindi-: yes, in shr-unstable Apr 18 13:26:51 the radio policy Apr 18 13:27:33 bruce_c: what's that? Apr 18 13:28:03 lindi-: it's the GPS settings applet that says whether the GPS radio is controlled automatically, always on or alway soff Apr 18 13:28:44 File a bug -- I expect that the designers of that did not expect one to wish that to be persistent. Apr 18 13:29:20 hmm ok. Seems GPS only works with the switch set to Manual - On Apr 18 13:34:03 i'm using the new testing image and my settings are not rememberd (wifi doesn't stay turned on after a reboot) is that normal? Apr 18 13:34:07 (SHR) Apr 18 13:36:29 File a bug -- I expect that the designers of that did not expect one to wish that to be persistent. Apr 18 13:38:00 thanks, i see. But if I turn wifi on and connect to my home network, when I turn my phone on in the morning I want it to reconnect - does that make sense? Apr 18 13:39:03 it sounds like it should be an option to do that, anyway Apr 18 13:40:58 cool, so I report that here http://trac.shr-project.org? Apr 18 13:41:05 yeah Apr 18 13:43:05 it's shr testing but how do I make it clear which shr testing it is? or don't I need to? Apr 18 13:45:11 For that problem, no, the exact testing version doesn't matter so much. But the info you need to record for the base testing image is in /etc/angstrom-version Apr 18 13:45:24 For kernel-related bugs, include the output from uname -a Apr 18 13:45:33 ok thanks Apr 18 13:50:02 that's my first ticket :) Apr 18 13:54:50 If I see another ticket that I agree with how do I 'support' it, add a comment? Apr 18 13:56:48 Feisar: can you say the trac number of the ticket you just filed? Apr 18 13:57:13 403 Apr 18 13:58:09 Feisar: if you see some ticket where developers have doubts/can't reproduce, you can add a comment confirming that you can reproduce it. But if it's clearly reproducible and you can't add anything valuable, refrain from it. Apr 18 13:58:39 ah ok, i get it Apr 18 13:58:51 Feisar: 403 on which trac? Apr 18 13:59:27 PaulFert: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/403 Apr 18 13:59:43 PaulFert: Sorry im not exactly sure what you mean by trac Apr 18 14:00:21 Feisar: ah, ok. I thought you're filing a kernel bug. trac -- software used for bugtracking by OM, FSO and SHR project. Apr 18 14:00:39 oh ok im with you Apr 18 14:00:49 Feisar: i'd mark you bug as invalid, to be honest. Apr 18 14:01:04 oh right, can you tell me why? Apr 18 14:01:48 Feisar: once you configured wpa_supplicant, it's configured. wpa_supplicant.conf persists over reboots. Apr 18 14:01:59 Feisar: i can't recognise a problem here. Apr 18 14:02:20 It's not wpa_supplicant, it's the fact that on boot, the wifi is not powered up. Apr 18 14:03:03 and even if I do power it up after boot, I have to manually connect to local wifi networks Apr 18 14:03:23 mwester: then he wants to wrap wpa_supplicant in a script requesting ophonekitd to occupy wifi resource and put it to his default runlevel. Apr 18 14:03:55 PaulFertser: you are thinking at the debian linux level. Apr 18 14:04:00 you need to think "phone" Apr 18 14:04:25 mwester: for a phone he should have filed a wishlist ticket like: "integrate a decent finger-friendly wifi manager". Apr 18 14:04:27 The phone user, unlike the debian command line user, uses a gui app that's part of SHR to enable wifi. Apr 18 14:04:39 46 Apr 18 14:05:00 I should have stated I was just refering to the gui side of things Apr 18 14:05:11 ~lart PaulFertser for excessive pedantry Apr 18 14:05:11 * apt gives PaulFertser a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" for excessive pedantry Apr 18 14:05:19 Feisar: what gui do you currently use to configure WiFi? Apr 18 14:05:39 Oh no! Not windows! not again! Apr 18 14:05:43 mofi, the one that comes with the testing image Apr 18 14:06:00 You should feel honored. It is EXTREMELY rare that I lart anyone. Apr 18 14:06:01 Serious punishment Apr 18 14:06:22 Ok, i'll try (to feel honored). Apr 18 14:06:39 Feisar: well, it's not obvious from the ticket. Apr 18 14:07:31 PaulFert: I realise now, I created the ticket completely from a 'phone' user point of view Apr 18 14:07:48 PaulFert: which was not too helpful Apr 18 14:08:13 it is a valid point though, just needs to be make right Apr 18 14:08:48 awwwwsome Apr 18 14:19:50 How does one force fast-charge mode on a current SHR-Unstable? The wiki seems to be out of date. Apr 18 14:20:47 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r35a869988bcf 10/src/gsm.vala: fixed typo in GSM.Phone.StatusChanged callback Apr 18 15:01:13 Hi Apr 18 15:01:26 what the status of this channel Apr 18 15:01:31 yea Apr 18 15:01:47 it is a long time ago that i've not join ... Apr 18 15:02:08 we are all here Apr 18 15:02:09 hi, speaking from the FR in Barcelonas buzz fix party! Apr 18 15:02:12 cool Apr 18 15:03:55 how it goes? Apr 18 15:06:55 8 fixes so far, mine included ;D Apr 18 15:14:10 buzz buzz buzz Apr 18 15:15:41 nice Apr 18 15:20:59 about parties: Does someone plan to make a party close to Ålboeg/denmark or somewhare else in DK? Apr 18 15:23:47 Scotland? Apr 18 15:23:49 :) Apr 18 15:23:57 Prolly not very close to denmark. Apr 18 15:24:32 stil a bid long to travel/send a phone Apr 18 15:25:15 come here, its sunny xD Apr 18 15:25:58 Sunny here too. Apr 18 15:27:07 here as well, though no bug fix party anywhere in a radius of 3k km ;] Apr 18 15:27:19 it is sunny in Ålborg atm as well. That is the reasion for me to sit indore with the curtairns in fron of the windows Apr 18 15:27:28 actually maybe there is one 3k km away, though not a lot closer. Apr 18 15:28:05 * mwester is going to attempt a buzzfix on his gta02; no buzzfixes happening anywhere close to his part of the world either. Apr 18 15:30:12 Could someone paste what mdbus -s returns on a functioning om2009 ? Apr 18 15:30:56 I see neither org.freesmartphone.frameworkd nor org.freesmartphone.ogsmd there. Apr 18 15:35:29 Are there any "sms-gateway" programs/server for the freerunner yet? Apr 18 15:37:04 ssh! Apr 18 15:40:14 hahah Apr 18 16:04:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * ra1fcae065315 10/ChangeLog: yank ChangeLog Apr 18 16:13:04 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * r2cd15459c689 10/ (Makefile.am src/main.vala src/reader.vala vapi/config.vapi): add banner and shut down gracefully Apr 18 16:19:19 mhm.. the screen of my freerunner is black and the aux-button is blinking... whta does that mean? oO Apr 18 16:19:59 death Apr 18 16:20:09 its gonna blow! Apr 18 16:20:43 battery's flat. Apr 18 17:01:17 i'm trying to connect a function def msgIn(sender, msg, prop) to a signal in cli-framework - Apr 18 17:01:37 and i came up with this : bus.add_signal_receiver(msgIn, 'IncomingMessage', "org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS", "org.freesmartphone.ogsmd", "/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device") Apr 18 17:02:02 is this the correct chan to ask for help in? Apr 18 17:11:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbfcbabbce568 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.gir fsoframework-2.0.vapi transport.vala): fsoframework: transport: refactor configure into base class Apr 18 17:11:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re1b6b140114b 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: implement missing createChannels() method in plugins Apr 18 17:21:50 Toaster`|away: doesn't /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc/* nodes work for you to force fast-charge? Apr 18 17:21:57 evening guys! Apr 18 17:22:34 Toaster`|away: usb_curlim and chg_curlim? Apr 18 17:33:14 Hi, I'm getting an error on shr-unstable while upgrading, how do I force opkg to overwrite http://pastebin.ca/1395850 ? Apr 18 17:33:33 hello all! seems like much changed in MokoMakefile since the last wiki updates on related topics... where can I read something up-to-date on how to get qemu up and running? Apr 18 17:34:25 Bert_2: Do not upgrade shr-unstable; please reflash... upgrades are guaranteed to fail and leave your device in a totally unusable state. Apr 18 17:35:02 nwe Apr 18 17:35:05 mwester Apr 18 17:35:08 mwe. Apr 18 17:35:18 mwester: guaranteed is probably a bit strong. Apr 18 17:35:21 mwester: lately I just did opkg update && opkg upgrade but put the latest kernel on my SD card (I was getting tired of reinstalling all my apps) Apr 18 17:35:30 mwester: I'm not sure even that is 100% reliable. Apr 18 17:35:40 phhht! Apr 18 17:35:56 Yeah, it's so unstable we can't even guarantee that it's unstable! Apr 18 17:36:02 lol :P Apr 18 17:36:08 well, it's pretty stable for me here Apr 18 17:36:19 I'm only hoping for shorter pick-up times Apr 18 17:36:38 Bert_2: in the past couple of days, a major reorganization of the package naming and structure was undertaken; upgrades crossing that boundary are bad. Apr 18 17:36:48 mwester: Apr 18 17:36:53 mwester: okey Apr 18 17:37:00 * Bert_2 turns of phone Apr 18 17:37:05 And the dev team for SHR has promised more of the same, as they push SHR into the OE repo. Apr 18 17:37:21 mwester: okey, cool Apr 18 17:37:41 mwester: do you also know what they're working on currently, is the pick-up speed on the list ? Apr 18 17:38:08 hehe - from community reaction, I think people were accustomed to rather a lot of stability in the unstable version! Apr 18 17:38:25 Bert_2: what is pick-up speed? Acceleration? Apr 18 17:38:33 holw Apr 18 17:38:35 hol Apr 18 17:38:41 how fast it attracts girls. Apr 18 17:38:46 * SpeedEvil stabs his keyboard. Apr 18 17:39:15 mwester: I mean when you press accept when a call comes in it takes 2 to 7 seconds before it stops vibrating and you can hear the other person (and he starts to hear you) Apr 18 17:39:17 my FR only attracts mockery Apr 18 17:39:46 Bert_2: Yes, people are aware of that problem. Apr 18 17:40:05 mwester: will it be possible to fix it or is it here to stay ? Apr 18 17:40:46 None (?) of the software is in its final 'release' quality state. Apr 18 17:40:50 Bert_2: No reason it can't be made much better, at least from the hardware point-of-view... there may have to be some significant software changes, though. Apr 18 17:40:54 It will _all_ improve. (hopefully) Apr 18 17:41:23 a release is just a point in time Apr 18 17:43:03 Bert_2: use uncompressed ringtone Apr 18 17:43:25 lindi-: is ogg compressed ? Apr 18 17:43:30 Bert_2: yes Apr 18 17:43:37 hi all, i installed a shr testing of yesterday and enlightment doesn't start at all, another thing is that root is mounted in ext4 while is created as ext2, it complains of circular references Apr 18 17:43:41 lindi-: should I use wave or sid then ? Apr 18 17:43:53 Actually, we need a kernel module from Sirius Cybernetics Corporation (the one they use in their elevators) so that we can handle the answering timing better. Apr 18 17:44:45 sirius cybernetics answering machines. Apr 18 17:44:48 Bert_2: uncompressed wave audio yes, for example http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/ringtone/ Apr 18 17:44:50 The possibilities are endless Apr 18 17:45:33 lindi-: okey, awesome, and then I would be able to pick up and hear the person more quickly, right ? Apr 18 17:45:50 Bert_2: well, that'll help at least a bit Apr 18 17:45:56 enlightmenet fails with BUS ERROR Apr 18 17:46:03 Bert_2: i only use ogsmd + kapula so i avoid most of the lag Apr 18 17:46:50 I am a bit confused. I have some midi files on my laptop and I want to transfter them to my Freeruner (that have qt extended improved). I have made a sftp connection to the phone, but I dont know where I shall put the files so the "media player" can find them (eg the "media player"'s home-thing) Apr 18 17:46:53 lindi-: I use shr-unstable, now sure what they're using Apr 18 17:48:04 lindi-: s/now/not Apr 18 17:50:00 I am planning on developing an application using openmoko and Freerunner, but this latest annoucement about freerunner being discuntinued is kind of a worry. Where are the discussions about that being made? Apr 18 17:50:54 Bert_2: debian Apr 18 17:50:59 As I understand it, Freerunner will not be discuntinued but gta03 will (Freerunner+1) Apr 18 17:51:09 Bert_2: ah they, they use everything frameworkd has i think Apr 18 17:51:17 lindi-: yes indd Apr 18 17:51:42 beer_: wasn't that more like freerunner-1? no wifi or gps Apr 18 17:51:56 beer_: I am completely lost in this topics, and I cannot find informationa bout that in the wiki... Apr 18 17:52:38 poli: it's very simple, the openmoko company doesn't have enough money to make a new mobile, so they're doing another project instead and will make a new mobile phone later Apr 18 17:52:40 lindi: What I ment with +1 was the next version after freeruner Apr 18 17:52:48 poli: the freerunner will still be supported Apr 18 17:53:08 poli: basically nothing changes for us I believe Apr 18 17:53:30 http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/documents/2009Bern/Slides/BusinessTrack/01_SeanMossPultz.pdf the info about it I could find Apr 18 17:53:56 There has been a lot discussion on the community-ml about this. Read the slashdot-Thread Apr 18 17:54:01 poli: you can also find the announcement in video version somewhere on the web (probably linked on the openexpo site) Apr 18 17:54:26 Defiant-: what was said on the mailing list (I didn't have the time to read it Apr 18 17:54:37 And the openmoko official news announcement at Mime2009. Apr 18 17:54:53 Bert_2: The same that has been said here. GTA03 is discontinued, GTA02 is still alive. Apr 18 17:54:53 Project B will be an invisible box. Apr 18 17:55:24 Defiant-: and to be honest that's perfect for me, I don't have the money to buy myself a new phone Apr 18 17:55:53 SpeedEvil: I'm pretty curious what it is, it looked like a GPS device or an mp3-player-ish thing Apr 18 17:56:17 that would be pretty much freerunner without gsm Apr 18 17:56:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re0a6916efe7d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: channel: add freeze() and thaw(), preparing for data call and pdp channel handover Apr 18 17:58:00 Defiant-: what do you think it is then ? Apr 18 17:58:07 I have no idea Apr 18 17:58:13 lol :P Apr 18 17:59:05 It's an electronic pizza box opener. Apr 18 17:59:16 coffee machine Apr 18 17:59:42 hair straightener Apr 18 17:59:55 Bert_2, beer_: so the current freerunner is still in production and will be for the foreseeable future? Apr 18 18:00:18 all-frequency-all-modulation wireless device Apr 18 18:00:22 Does a device to straighten hairs even exist? Apr 18 18:00:44 poli: yes it will Apr 18 18:00:56 beer_: good, thanks. :) Apr 18 18:01:27 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f2596299 lookes like someone is planing a new gta03-thing Apr 18 18:01:30 beer_: well, it is somehow hard to start a new product using a hardware that doesn't have 3G or a quad-band modem, but that's what we have available right now. Apr 18 18:01:40 PaulFertser: yes it exists, women use it all the time, apparently Apr 18 18:02:11 Bert_2: i've seen devices to make straight hair more curly, but never for an opposite, i think. Apr 18 18:02:16 now if it could re-grow hair, I might be interested. Apr 18 18:03:05 Bert_2: looks like women always do some kind of insane shit :-/ Apr 18 18:03:47 I bet if she has a straight hair, she dreams of nice curlies and if she has a curly hair, she wants to straighten it. Apr 18 18:04:09 * mwester 's experience has been the women tend to be more sane than most males. :p Apr 18 18:04:14 the meadow on the other side of the fence is always greener Apr 18 18:04:34 PaulFertser: hair is a lot of work, you have to wash it once a month Apr 18 18:04:55 Bert_2: you do? Apr 18 18:05:02 Well, you should - even if it doesn't really need it that often. Apr 18 18:05:11 shellevil: not sure Apr 18 18:05:22 mwester: lol :P Apr 18 18:05:26 Generally, my rule is to wash hair when I change my socks. Apr 18 18:05:33 Bert_2: if you like it short enough, it's sufficient to trim it to <= 12mm once a week and have a shower afterwards Apr 18 18:05:56 mwester: daily? Apr 18 18:06:12 no. Wear black socks, nobody can tell. Apr 18 18:06:15 Bert_2: know that, long hair is not the handiest thing to have. Though i do. Apr 18 18:06:17 Wonka: he means yearly Apr 18 18:06:33 mwester: not by sight at least - different thing is by smell... Apr 18 18:06:40 Ah. Apr 18 18:06:44 PaulFertser: I have hear of all kinds, I will not go into detail Apr 18 18:06:49 I have a dog to blame. ;) Apr 18 18:07:00 s/hear/hair Apr 18 18:07:06 bad spelling day today Apr 18 18:07:09 really bad Apr 18 18:07:10 those go stale after some weeks without food... Apr 18 18:07:17 (dogs) Apr 18 18:07:26 and smelly Apr 18 18:07:29 but more quiet Apr 18 18:07:56 Oh - you need a replacement then. Apr 18 18:08:01 my hair is longer than 20cm, and washing it is nothing i like to do every morning... Apr 18 18:08:39 When they get to that state, they're even more difficult to restart than a Freerunner with a totally flat battery. Apr 18 18:08:58 lol Apr 18 18:09:24 * Bert_2 just found out that spectrial is over, woops Apr 18 18:09:51 * Wonka wants an external OM battery charger Apr 18 18:09:55 and some spares Apr 18 18:10:05 Wonka: I have a USB charger Apr 18 18:10:07 and hibernate functionality Apr 18 18:10:29 Wonka: is what shr does hibernate or suspend ? Apr 18 18:10:42 Bert_2: i have a wall wart too - i meant a device to charge FR batteries outside of the FR Apr 18 18:10:56 Wonka: that would be nice yes Apr 18 18:10:56 mickeyl keeps reminding me that we need to get proper battery handling for the Nokia BL-6C in the Freerunner... Apr 18 18:10:57 lol Apr 18 18:11:07 Bert_2: most probably suspend - i meant some state you can resume from after pulling the battery Apr 18 18:11:17 Suspend Apr 18 18:11:19 and for the 5c... Apr 18 18:11:22 If they need all the people they had for GTA03 for a charger...this will be a super charger Apr 18 18:11:23 mwester: would be cool Apr 18 18:12:19 Well, I have time now... Apr 18 18:15:11 The things I would like to see with gta03 is a bether graphics chip and a faster CPU so we could have bether games on it Apr 18 18:15:48 faster GPU + CPU = less battery life? Apr 18 18:16:04 beer_: 3G would be nice if they had the time to make it, and wireless N, but of course we first of all need a better graphics chip Apr 18 18:16:11 bruce_c: better battery as well then :P Apr 18 18:16:34 Bert_2: I get the impression the problem isn't the battery but more the kernel doesn't support frequency scaling and sleep states Apr 18 18:17:13 bruce_c: ow, doesn't it support frequency scaling, I thought the CPU wasn't able to scale down Apr 18 18:17:36 I wonder if getting frequency scaling and sleeping into the kernel is something someone could do with a spare couple of months? I presume the ARM tech docs are available? Apr 18 18:17:45 Bert_2: the CPU does, but the kernel doesn't Apr 18 18:17:58 i have reinstalled from scratch latest shr-testing on a sdcard and i confirm : enlightment just crash, is latest testing working for you ? Apr 18 18:18:24 bruce_c: it's being worked on Apr 18 18:19:07 I've got a spare couple of months later this year, I'll see if there's something i can work on Apr 18 18:19:47 bruce_c: are you reading openmoko kernel ML? Or LAKML? Apr 18 18:20:16 say, in the default.yaml file, what's the maximum volume ? Apr 18 18:21:18 PaulFertser: I'm subscribed to the openmoko kernel ML but don't read it much - I'm more involved in hacking FreeBSD at the moment, but would like to do some work on openmoko too. At the moment I'm flat-out with my day job, but am being made redundant in a few months Apr 18 18:22:54 bruce_c: there were several patches lately (by Rask Ingemann Lambertse) to implement some cpufreq support Apr 18 18:40:48 PaulFertser: thanks - I guess I need to learn how to change the build environment first though! Apr 18 18:41:38 bruce_c: Change? To compile a kernel a cross-compiling toolchain is needed, nothing more. Apr 18 18:43:03 PaulFertser: well, I guess I'd probably want to put the changes into the openembedded build chain. I'm hoping to make other changes too Apr 18 18:43:22 like enabling PAM support in enlightenment so a can LOCK the phone Apr 18 18:43:36 s/a/I/ Apr 18 18:43:36 bruce_c meant: like enIbling PAM support in enlightenment so a can LOCK the phone Apr 18 18:43:41 The focus right now is on stablizing the kernel; that should happen (hopefully) soon, and then I would like to see work on the gta01 support, cpufreq, and battery/power support. Apr 18 18:44:30 is that work going on on mainline, or is there a branch I should be tracking? Apr 18 18:45:02 it's on the andy-tracking branch. Apr 18 18:45:19 Discussion on the openmoko kernel ML Apr 18 18:45:31 ah yes Apr 18 18:49:23 no Wi-Fi in GTA03 Apr 18 18:49:52 there's no such thing as GTA03 Apr 18 18:50:20 now it doesnt exists..but in coming time it will definitely be there Apr 18 18:51:40 what about Project B Apr 18 18:53:56 <[Rui]> WhiteParrot: now seriously, gta03 didn't seem like a better model, but the next model, which happened to be less featureful . anyway, it's dead in the water now and I'm also much more curious about B :) Apr 18 18:57:15 is it fine to buy GTA02 .or wait for Project B Apr 18 18:57:50 Project B is not a phone. Apr 18 18:57:52 B isn't a cell phone Apr 18 18:58:25 so if you want an om phone, 02 is it for the foreseeable future Apr 18 18:58:38 <[Rui]> WhiteParrot: if you're short on cash, you can wait a little until B is announced and check on which to invest :) Apr 18 18:58:41 We have, however, been told my Om's engineering organization that Project B is a hair-straightener. Apr 18 18:58:52 s/my/by/ Apr 18 18:58:52 mwester meant: We have, however, been told by Om's engineering organization that Project B is a hair-straightener. Apr 18 18:59:01 <[Rui]> what do you mean? Apr 18 18:59:42 I have no idea. That's what Wolfgang said in the last community update. :) Apr 18 19:00:21 <[Rui]> mwester: ok yeah, but I'm not very familiar with the expression "hair-straightener" :) Apr 18 19:00:41 Nor am I. I think he was joking. Apr 18 19:01:07 revolutionary! Apr 18 19:01:10 i think Project B is just for my Grand ma Apr 18 19:01:31 GTA02 is still for Geeks Apr 18 19:01:54 and the gta03 was also going to be for geeks Apr 18 19:02:32 but GTA03 is not goin 2 come in near future ..and it has less features also Apr 18 19:02:43 gta03 is dead Apr 18 19:03:00 there will be NO gta03... and that's a good thing, from what I've heard. Apr 18 19:03:01 ya u can say this Apr 18 19:03:05 Yes. Apr 18 19:03:19