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Apr 20 03:43:40 <BillK> Digital_Pioneer: k, thats on my todo list - interested when you solve it !
Apr 20 03:53:38 <Digital_Pioneer> BillK: OK, I'll do my best. Let me know if you come up with anything.
Apr 20 06:42:21 <methril|work> morning
Apr 20 07:06:52 <rhaeder> morning all :)
Apr 20 07:07:17 <KenYoung> Good morning.
Apr 20 07:16:56 <Hopscotch> good morning
Apr 20 07:18:51 <DocScrutinizer> *yawn*
Apr 20 08:00:07 <nullix> hi all
Apr 20 08:01:27 <nullix> Yesterday night i got my wifi working. It seems there is no way to have a WPA-TKIP with hidden ESSID working, when i broadcast the ssid it works, if i hide it it don't.
Apr 20 08:01:57 <viq> nullix: and why exactly do you want to hide your ESSID ?
Apr 20 08:02:09 <viq> It _decreases_ your security, not increases it.
Apr 20 08:02:48 <nullix> hiding essid decrease security ? interesting to know. Why ?
Apr 20 08:02:53 <DocScrutinizer> nullix: yup, like viq said. And it's a known issue afaik
Apr 20 08:03:49 <nullix> i though it increase security that's why it wa&s set up like this, and it was working with my other device ( eepc )
Apr 20 08:04:40 <viq> nullix: every frame transmitted has essid in it so to learn it you just need to listen. And when it is not hidden the WPA key is salted with it, not so when you hide it.
Apr 20 08:05:10 <viq> So there is no real reason to hide it, and there are reasons not to hide it.
Apr 20 08:05:18 <DocScrutinizer> (decrease security) e.g. as your client usually has to probe all known ESSIDs when trying to associate. So your privacy is severely getting worse
Apr 20 08:05:19 <nullix> good, thanks for that. really interesting
Apr 20 08:06:26 <nullix> where are all those known issues ?
Apr 20 08:06:36 <DocScrutinizer> also you easily might become victim of rogue APs
Apr 20 08:06:50 <nullix> it seems i hit them one by one, then before ringing you again i would prefer to know them before
Apr 20 08:08:46 <nullix> each time i hit a new problem i learn something interesting :-) 
Apr 20 08:09:20 <nullix> viq  DocScrutinizer thank for those comments. helpfull.
Apr 20 08:15:02 <DocScrutinizer> nullix: np. Anyway hiding ESSID is strongly deprecated for quite a number of reasons. Alas this rarely helps if you have to deal with AP doing that which you have no admin access to
Apr 20 08:15:53 <nullix> DocScrutinizer: fortunately it is not the case, i control my wifi access point
Apr 20 08:16:03 <DocScrutinizer> :)
Apr 20 08:16:29 <nullix> ( and i hope i am the only one :-) )
Apr 20 08:17:01 <nullix> i should not mention i am working for a security company. i should know that.
Apr 20 08:45:46 <Feisar_> Hi, Im updating my freerunners gsm firmware, just checking that 10 is the most recent stable release
Apr 20 08:45:47 <Feisar_> ?
Apr 20 08:52:08 <Psi> is there an option anywhere in the SHR gui to force fast charge?
Apr 20 08:52:16 <Psi> on gta01
Apr 20 08:53:24 <dns53> fast charge? i thaught that was based on the hardware
Apr 20 08:54:38 <Psi> it has to query the usb port to find out if it can handle the high current
Apr 20 08:57:27 <Psi> i wanna make a 1A 5v wallpack with usb plug on the end
Apr 20 08:57:41 <Psi> then just click to force fast charge on the phone when its pluged in
Apr 20 08:58:07 <dns53> i'm just happy that this week i finally have a phone that suspends and actually resumes
Apr 20 08:58:12 <Psi> gta02 has a system to detect resistors on a dumb usb port to determin if it can handle the current but i dont think gta01 can do that
Apr 20 08:59:07 <dns53> probably
Apr 20 09:13:33 <Arigead> shr-unstable I'm trying to setup USB as Host mode to take something off a USB Key. I remember setting this up in Settings before but now I've lost it. Has this functionality been removed?
Apr 20 09:16:43 <PaulFertser> Feisar_: 11 is
Apr 20 09:17:12 <Psi> does 11 add anything important over 10?
Apr 20 09:17:52 <PaulFertser> Psi: yes, quite so.
Apr 20 09:19:01 <PaulFertser> Psi: there's a changelog. But basically it's hardware flow control support (esp. important for GTA01 users) and GPIO setting for resume on incoming call/message to always work properly.
Apr 20 09:21:09 <Psi> cool
Apr 20 09:21:17 <PaulFertser> Psi: (fast charge switch) I think it's not implemented in FSO yet, so no SHR gui (unless you ask dos1 to add ad-hoc support ;) ) :(
Apr 20 09:22:02 <Psi> thanks
Apr 20 09:22:53 <PaulFertser> Psi: if you're comfortable with Python, it'd be a matter of 30-60 minutes for you to prepare a patch for FSO.
Apr 20 09:23:03 <Psi> heh
Apr 20 09:23:08 <Psi> i know no python
Apr 20 09:23:37 <Psi> does anyone know exactly how much damage it does to the battery when gta01 full discharges it 
Apr 20 09:26:11 <PaulFertser> Psi: not exactly an answer, more like a general interest site: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/ (lots of information about various battery types)
Apr 20 10:14:29 <Arigead> Sorry people me again I'm really struggling with setting usb host mode. The wiki documents using "echo host > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode" but that file doesn't exist on the latest shr-testing which I've just downloaded
Apr 20 10:16:34 <Arigead> Found it /sys/devices/platform/s3c-ohci/usb_mode
Apr 20 10:29:01 <tig|> Agrajag-:  isn't there an option on the Connectivity Page of the Settings program?
Apr 20 10:29:20 <tig|> Sorry that should have been to Arigead 
Apr 20 10:32:58 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07opimd * re945a1ff12ca 10libframeworkd-glib/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 
Apr 20 10:32:58 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: opimd: add wrappers fro sources interface
Apr 20 10:32:58 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Apr 20 10:32:59 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07opimd * raae989c07be4 10libframeworkd-glib/src/ (frameworkd-glib-dbus.c frameworkd-glib-dbus.h): 
Apr 20 10:32:59 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: dbus: const correctnes for connect_to_interface
Apr 20 10:33:03 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Apr 20 10:33:05 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07opimd * r8176de3c87f0 10libframeworkd-glib/src/opimd/ (2 files): 
Apr 20 10:33:07 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: opimd/contacts: keep the DBusGProxy for queries
Apr 20 10:33:09 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: This is needed, because opimd remembers the query cursor
Apr 20 10:33:11 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: for each client connection...
Apr 20 10:33:13 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Apr 20 10:33:15 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07opimd * r9c43c1aa4116 10libframeworkd-glib/src/opimd/ (frameworkd-glib-opimd-dbus.c frameworkd-glib-opimd-dbus.h): 
Apr 20 10:33:18 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: opimd/sources: add missing dbus connect functions
Apr 20 10:33:20 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Apr 20 10:33:22 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07opimd * r32aca2c5a5c4 10libframeworkd-glib/src/opimd/dbus/ (contacts.h contacts.xml): 
Apr 20 10:33:27 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: opimd/contacts: implement GetMultipleResults
Apr 20 10:33:29 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Apr 20 10:33:31 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07opimd * r8abecf8adf5e 10libframeworkd-glib/src/opimd/frameworkd-glib-opimd-contacts.c: 
Apr 20 10:33:34 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: opimd/contacts: fix messages/contacts typo and add missing cast
Apr 20 10:33:36 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Apr 20 11:03:02 <PaulFertser> Digital_Pioneer: i've read the source and it looks like frameworkd communicates with bluetoothd every 10 seconds and when it finally sees the headset, it writes some messages to log. Why it doesn't work for you requires more debugging (at least check if there're any bluetooth-related messages in the log).
Apr 20 11:29:14 <Feisar> how do I restart enlightenment from the terminal?
Apr 20 11:29:57 <Derick>  /etc/init.d/<x... something> restart
Apr 20 11:30:05 <Feisar> thanks
Apr 20 11:31:43 <Feisar> Whenever I try to close the clock gadget in shr thought the giu E crashes, how can I do it from the terminal?
Apr 20 11:32:07 <Derick> do what?
Apr 20 11:32:22 <Feisar> close the clock gadget
Apr 20 11:32:27 <Feisar> im new to E
Apr 20 11:39:11 <dns53> not really possible, you could delete your .e directory and start again
Apr 20 11:41:02 <Feisar> ok cheers
Apr 20 12:51:53 <Digital_Pioneer> Feisar: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
Apr 20 12:52:03 <Digital_Pioneer> Feisar: Or killall -HUP enlightenment
Apr 20 12:52:05 <Digital_Pioneer> Your choice.
Apr 20 12:52:38 <Digital_Pioneer> BRB, nVidia is screwing up as usual.
Apr 20 12:57:06 <PaulFertser> Digital_Pioneer: btw, i tried nodm restart several times from the FR itself, wasn't very pleased with the result (the script was killed after loosing terminal and X never came back until i got home).
Apr 20 12:57:32 <PaulFertser> Digital_Pioneer: so probably nohup or screen should be used.
Apr 20 12:57:41 <Digital_Pioneer> PaulFertser: Interesting. I can't restart frameworkd and you can't restart X.
Apr 20 12:58:06 <Digital_Pioneer> http://xkcd.com/571/ :)
Apr 20 12:58:13 <PaulFertser> Digital_Pioneer: i can restart X if i'm cautious enough, i guess.
Apr 20 12:58:22 <Digital_Pioneer> Heheh
Apr 20 12:58:46 <PaulFertser> Digital_Pioneer: seen my messages wrt bluetooth?
Apr 20 12:58:56 <Digital_Pioneer> Haven't checked yet.
Apr 20 12:59:19 <Digital_Pioneer> Which log does it go to? dmesg or syslog? Some other one?
Apr 20 12:59:23 <Digital_Pioneer> frameworkd.log?
Apr 20 13:00:11 <PaulFertser> Digital_Pioneer: it depends on the configuration. IIRC on SHR frameworkd uses syslog.
Apr 20 13:00:35 <PaulFertser> Sorry, got to go.
Apr 20 13:00:52 <Digital_Pioneer> OK
Apr 20 14:02:34 <soul9> hi
Apr 20 14:02:43 <soul9> anyone had any luck compiling the qemu port?
Apr 20 15:07:03 <qknight> i use shr
Apr 20 15:07:20 <qknight> can i somehow disable the gps module from going to suspend?
Apr 20 15:07:40 <max_posedon> settings
Apr 20 15:07:54 <max_posedon> gps - Auto->Manual - Off->On
Apr 20 15:08:39 <qknight> max_posedon: ah cool
Apr 20 15:33:56 <beer_> hi
Apr 20 15:33:57 <beer_> did something interested happening today
Apr 20 15:46:35 <awwaiid> is it my imagination, or does FSO not handle SMS messages with an image?
Apr 20 15:48:30 <alphaone> awwaiid: image?
Apr 20 15:48:47 <alphaone> that would be mms messages?
Apr 20 15:48:59 <awwaiid> sure
Apr 20 15:50:05 <awwaiid> though for some reason I thought that there was some non-mms photo mechanism in sms. but that makes no sense now that I say it aloud
Apr 20 15:51:27 <Digital_Pioneer> awwaiid: Since SMS can only take transmissions of ~160 bytes (unless I'm mistaken, which is quite possible) I doubt there is any actual transmission of JPEGs or whatever it be over that protocol.
Apr 20 15:51:55 <awwaiid> indeed
Apr 20 15:52:43 <mjr> 140 bytes
Apr 20 15:52:56 <awwaiid> so now that I know to search for mms instead of sms, I am finding that openmoko doesn't do mms?
Apr 20 15:52:59 <SpeedEvil> IIRC the minimum size of a JPEG is under 140 bytes
Apr 20 15:53:07 <mjr> (160 characters using a 7-bit charset
Apr 20 15:53:11 <SpeedEvil> (but that's largely irrelevant)
Apr 20 15:53:16 <Weiss> there's that thing where you include a code and the phone displays a little icon
Apr 20 15:54:09 <awwaiid> I ask because people send me images and I have yet to figure out how to view them :)
Apr 20 15:54:17 <awwaiid> or how to even get their binary data from FSO
Apr 20 15:55:02 <PierreN> hi 
Apr 20 15:55:32 <awwaiid> maybe I just need to write my own listener for the IncomingMessage signal. I'll try that.
Apr 20 15:59:21 <Blu3> awwaiid, im trying to do that too
Apr 20 15:59:44 <Blu3> in shr, i'm needing to edit sms.py
Apr 20 16:00:37 <Blu3> instead of decoding the binary data, it just assigns it a line of static text; ~ "This message is binary"
Apr 20 16:01:07 <awwaiid> yeah. I'd rather it pass it on :)
Apr 20 16:02:04 <Blu3> i need to figure out how to decode it
Apr 20 16:27:42 <PBeck> ahoi
Apr 20 16:28:34 <Blu3> 'lo
Apr 20 17:19:02 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r151bd77f10c4 10/libfsoframework/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: add NullLogger
Apr 20 17:19:03 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rfd2adc41d789 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/common.vala: 
Apr 20 17:19:03 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: fsoframework: set NullLogger as default logger. log_to = none (or omitting log_to completely) also uses the
Apr 20 17:19:03 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: NullLogger from now on
Apr 20 17:19:06 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * reba8a4648e2e 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/transport.vala: fsoframework: transport: fix detection for IN and HUP conditions
Apr 20 17:19:11 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * r93508cc61208 10/ (configure.ac src/main.vala src/reader.vala src/terminal.vala): 
Apr 20 17:19:12 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: improve shutdown handling
Apr 20 17:19:14 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: this is version 0.1.0.0
Apr 20 17:19:18 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * r477f2a96c709 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): reintroduce check for vala version; yank ChangeLog
Apr 20 17:29:13 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5301c124b3c8 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/transport.vala: fsoframework: check whether delegate is actually set before calling it
Apr 20 17:31:29 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * raf1b80c7ded0 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac gsm0710mux/transport.vala): 
Apr 20 17:31:29 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: fix checking for HUP and IN conditions in transport
Apr 20 17:31:29 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: this is version 0.3.4
Apr 20 17:47:20 <xXDuffmanXx_> hi wir die bande, duff brauerei suchen noch aktive member bei intresse pls pm me...
Apr 20 17:56:27 <bumbl> spam flooding the chan
Apr 20 18:11:04 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r8a7ae7b7d297 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: zone handing rewrite
Apr 20 18:11:05 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r4789f2ada3e9 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: more work
Apr 20 18:11:06 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * ra1f846286566 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: bugfixes
Apr 20 19:03:49 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * rfd34408c23bf 10/ (src/main.vala src/reader.vala vapi/readline.vapi): read and write readline history
Apr 20 19:28:47 <CIA-41> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * r7e9b56e861f0 10/src/ (main.vala terminal.vala): remove two warnings
Apr 20 20:23:22 <rhaeder> hi. I cannot build fso testing image
Apr 20 20:23:27 <rhaeder> here is the output: http://rafb.net/p/VpY6Oe89.html
Apr 20 20:29:45 <bernt> rhaeder: you could try to edit conf/local.conf and set GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_US.UTF-8"
Apr 20 20:33:50 <rhaeder> bernt: when it works, I add it to the matching Talk page in wiki
Apr 20 20:37:20 <bernt> rhaeder: 3 days ago, I tried to build images with fso-makefile, and I was only able to compile something in fso-milestone5. Some errors I removed, but not all so that I did not get the final image.
Apr 20 20:43:36 <rhaeder> still failing to build the same package :/
Apr 20 20:50:20 <rhaeder> doh? temporary failures???
Apr 20 20:52:08 <rhaeder> now it fails on ta_IN
Apr 20 20:52:18 <rhaeder> before on kw_GB
Apr 20 20:53:38 <rhaeder> it said ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "1" needs to be set, too
Apr 20 20:57:30 <rhaeder> need to go to bed, bye
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Apr 21 00:41:03 <azaghal> lindi-: Were you the one who recommended me some LiOn batter for Neo? :)
Apr 21 01:19:54 <vancel> I just upgraded my SHR-testing to the most recent release.  The wiki says that the USB networking will work after the first reboot, but I'm on my 3rd with no luck.  I also have no icons, so I can't get a shell either.  Is there anything I can do other than reflash my freerunner?
Apr 21 01:30:14 <mwester> vancel:  you need to reflash, you can't upgrade via opkg.
Apr 21 01:33:41 <vancel> dang
Apr 21 01:34:33 <vancel> I just rebooted to my microSD while I was waiting... oh well, and it's too late to back up now.
Apr 21 01:37:26 <azaghal> :)
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