**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 01 02:59:57 2009 May 01 03:38:03 what for AT+COPS=0? May 01 06:12:06 morning May 01 08:19:29 hi, I have to change the touchscreen, anyone knows if the upper plastic part is a standalone one or if it is one unique piece with the touchscreen? May 01 09:53:38 Hmm, I decided to try FSO (exploring what each distribution has to offer), but I'm struggling to find how to connect to a wireless network May 01 10:16:15 Is there a way to find the IMEI from software ? May 01 10:17:23 dial the *# number that gives you it May 01 10:17:39 cant remeber the code off hand, but it works on OM May 01 10:18:56 or in my case the number isnt very unique, being all zeros May 01 10:19:49 XorA: I tried that on SHR, and I just get a blank screen with "Data:" on it. May 01 10:20:12 *#06# May 01 10:20:22 SHR is broken then, it certainly worked in om2007.2 and qtopia May 01 10:22:03 Im running Angstrom so dont even have a dialer installed :-) May 01 10:28:13 alephnull: in settings-phone-modeminfo there's IMEI May 01 10:30:51 XorA: it isn't broken. it simply doesn't have support for that code. May 01 10:30:57 anyway the empty "data:" display clearly is a bug. dunno if it's dialer or framework though May 01 10:31:20 DocScrutinizer: it isn't bug. it want's to send ussd "*#06#" May 01 10:31:41 and if reply from operator is blank, it shows blank "data:" window May 01 10:31:42 :P May 01 10:32:05 dos1: it seems it doesn't work for valid USSD like *#61# as well :-( May 01 10:32:20 DocScrutinizer: for me it works May 01 10:32:22 replyn for sure isnt blank May 01 10:32:31 here not May 01 10:32:33 *100# May 01 10:33:13 bah, *#61# is kinda standard. *#100# is proprietary May 01 10:33:48 it's definitely broken May 01 10:34:22 what is *#61#? May 01 10:34:32 redirect? May 01 10:34:48 and what data should it return? May 01 10:35:41 the redirect destination number or "off" May 01 10:36:15 but it returns data in the same way as other operator ussds? May 01 10:36:29 as *100# for remaining cash ;p May 01 10:36:35 don't ask me May 01 10:38:02 but it works on other phones? May 01 10:38:56 phh you mean *101# which is nonstandard anyway as it is enabling (= "*" prefix) instead of querying ( "*#" prefix) May 01 10:39:43 dos1: can't you test yourself? ;) *sure* it works on other phones May 01 10:40:27 3digit USSDs are proprietary anyway May 01 10:40:37 2digit are IETF May 01 10:41:29 no, *101# in my network is for additional services (listing, enabling, disabling) May 01 10:43:05 yeah it's proprietary. that's my point ;D May 01 10:43:33 ;D May 01 10:44:09 btw USSD is "\*1<><>#" May 01 10:44:57 "[*#]<><>#" is service control May 01 10:45:32 so ussd works good May 01 10:45:41 that's service control which doesn't work ;p May 01 10:45:43 like *61*091130838545#, #61#, *#61# May 01 10:49:21 dos1: http://web.telia.com/~u47904776/gsmkode.htm#nummerpres May 01 10:51:31 *#61# May 01 10:51:32 Check status of divert on no answer May 01 10:51:54 it probably returns data is different way than ussd May 01 10:51:59 this table is prety non standard as well, but anyway May 01 10:52:20 and that "data" window is for ussds :P May 01 10:52:49 there's a generic way to transfer commands to network, which comprises sending "numbers" starting with "*" or "#" May 01 10:53:24 the answer of all networks is uniform enough so even my 9Y old nokia knows how to handle them May 01 10:53:36 and it's *not* USSD obviously May 01 10:53:56 DocScrutinizer: so bug fso guys ;) May 01 10:55:32 modern cellphones tend to hide all standard codes behind user menues, but still can operate *#61# as well, and probably do exactly nothing else then sending standard "*61* duh, I hope someone of FSO is reading this here May 01 10:56:04 * XorA wonders if he can yet find a suspendable kernel May 01 10:56:38 XorA: current shr-testing kernel suspends and wakeups quite fine here on gta02 May 01 10:56:44 otoh I'm not sure about dialer using framework at all, when I real all this chat about dbusification of dialer May 01 10:57:26 XorA: people.om.org/joerg/shr works fine for me ;-) 2009-04-16 May 01 10:57:28 Wonka: unfortuneately that seems to mean nothing with all the different GTA02 varients May 01 10:58:12 XorA: huh, gta02-variants? May 01 10:58:29 hw??? May 01 10:58:54 DocScrutinizer: Im yet to get either of my gta02 devices to survive a suspend/resume May 01 10:59:06 gta02a5 with 10pF-GPS-signal-fixup May 01 10:59:09 which variants are you talking about? May 01 11:00:16 DocScrutinizer: well mine are both prototypes May 01 11:00:33 hmm, shouldn't be a problem May 01 11:01:17 there wasn't any prototype after gta02A3 or sth that's significantly different wrt firmware May 01 11:01:54 or are you talking about GTA01A* protos, or even GTA03 protos? May 01 11:02:26 both my gta02 come from the batch of 200 originally made, neither of which have ever survived a suspend/resume May 01 11:02:45 the ones labelled with numbered stickers May 01 11:02:49 there's no hw reaon to that May 01 11:03:08 I'd bet at least May 01 11:03:33 I got 3 protos here May 01 11:03:36 or 4 May 01 11:03:44 shall test it eventually May 01 11:04:01 but I'm sure there wasn't any major hw redesign May 01 11:04:03 i have gta02v5 from first bath in mass shipping May 01 11:04:12 and suspend/resume works well and always worked well May 01 11:04:21 sure May 01 11:04:31 DocScrutinizer: no there werent, but Im guessing tolerances changed as some people report easy suspend resume, some never seem to work May 01 11:04:50 hmm, it's digital May 01 11:05:07 so tolerances shouldn't matter May 01 11:05:59 well from what I gathered from Andy research the white screen of death is very undigital in its cause May 01 11:06:03 i think that labeled devices and mass gta02v5 differs only which power leds fix... May 01 11:06:53 yeahyeah... :-S WSOD isn't exactly a "resume doesn't work" issue May 01 11:07:14 dos1: yup May 01 11:08:03 dos1: maybe Vsys buffer cap May 01 11:08:57 but as Vsys isn't powered down during suspend (we need the 3V3 anyway) this shouldn't have any impact on resume May 01 11:09:52 XorA: you might want to update nand uBoot possibly May 01 11:10:13 XorA: or try to use Qi May 01 11:10:28 not sure about which version (introducing which bugs) was on protos May 01 11:11:04 * XorA cant use Qi May 01 11:11:05 Thanks, DocScrutinizer May 01 11:11:32 my NOR flash is blank May 01 11:11:49 XorA: :-((( *bad* May 01 11:11:56 nasty even May 01 11:11:56 XorA: and you don't have debug board? ;x May 01 11:11:58 XorA: How did that happen ? May 01 11:12:07 they were never programmed in factory May 01 11:12:11 production glitch May 01 11:12:14 same as my IMEI were never programmed May 01 11:12:20 meh May 01 11:12:25 tsk May 01 11:12:29 :D May 01 11:12:42 no debug board v3 to fix it May 01 11:13:05 I could short it by hand, but Im lazy May 01 11:13:10 XorA: you're (ex) OM-employee, you know how to program IMEI, no? ;) May 01 11:13:30 DocScrutinizer: I never bothered, blank IMEI works in uk :-) May 01 11:13:36 hehe May 01 11:13:50 DocScrutinizer: but I could look it up yes :-) May 01 11:14:23 "good morning. i would like to block my imei as my mobile was stolen. it's: 000000000000000. can you do something?" May 01 11:14:24 ;D May 01 11:14:30 * DocScrutinizer thinks about a possible exploit-vector using IMEI to kick-ass provider's database XD May 01 11:14:47 hehehe May 01 11:15:31 signed vs unsigned e.g. May 01 11:16:14 Im not 100% convinced IMEI blocks even work in the UK May 01 11:16:30 I think they might only block for a couple of weeks or so May 01 11:16:44 well, they work for sure, but maybe aren't enabled/implemented May 01 11:17:17 or flakey implemented... ;-) May 01 11:17:34 DocScrutinizer: Ive seen a whole load of stolen/lost phones still functional without an IMEI re-write May 01 11:17:56 DocScrutinizer: either zero people ever claim the insurance or they are just not implemented May 01 11:18:45 very few people know about IMEI at all. And general opinion is a stolen phone will be re-IMEI'd anyway May 01 11:19:16 i read somewhere that it doesn't work outside the UK - so you just sell the stolen phone elsewhere in Europe, or vice-versa May 01 11:19:29 so they didn't care about IMEI lock for a long time here in Germany as well May 01 11:20:02 hmm May 01 11:20:03 i wonder May 01 11:20:38 if stolen neos are reprogrammed ;) May 01 11:20:57 now the last few years when stealing cellphones bacame a more popular habit, they reimplemented IMEI lock. and forced manufs to implement more secure IMEI scheme May 01 11:21:55 dos1: for now there's only very few people on earth who know how to re-IMEI a calypso ;-) May 01 11:22:21 espacially the OM variant May 01 11:23:06 nad there's nly one report of a stolen FR so far May 01 11:23:55 hmm... i wonder where is that stolen neo, and who wonders, what is it :D May 01 11:24:05 I can see a really gutted thief if they stole a FR May 01 11:24:31 DocScrutinizer: was that the one stolen from OM stand at tradeshow? May 01 11:24:41 yup, there was a lengthy thread about that which mentioned all these considerations May 01 11:24:58 XorA: never heard of that one May 01 11:25:12 DocScrutinizer: one of stand volunteers had their backpack nicked May 01 11:25:20 DocScrutinizer: but it might have been gta01 devices May 01 11:25:23 eeew May 01 11:25:55 the poor devices. probably all went to junk May 01 11:26:19 On SHR where are the feeds configured ? May 01 11:26:21 odd now the phone wont boot if the u-boot logo shows May 01 11:27:00 alephnull: why do you want to change feeds? shr-testing? May 01 11:27:05 hmm, boot from menu? May 01 11:27:23 dos1: Yeah, to unstable. May 01 11:27:44 DocScrutinizer: yeah that works, but unattended boot doesnt May 01 11:27:56 that's strange May 01 11:27:58 most off May 01 11:28:00 most odd May 01 11:28:01 alephnull: /etc/opkg/ May 01 11:28:14 Thanks. May 01 11:28:18 XorA: have you checked u-boot env? May 01 11:28:21 XorA: env issue? May 01 11:28:37 worked fine until I switched to andy-tracking May 01 11:29:08 update uBoot, lazy guy! ;) May 01 11:29:26 XorA: and update env, to load bigger kernel :P May 01 11:29:37 did that years ago May 01 11:29:44 lol May 01 11:29:52 last century May 01 11:30:12 check Ur env May 01 11:30:36 but in boot_cmd too? May 01 11:31:36 anyway. May 1. Gonna put on my sunglasses 8-) and head outside May 01 11:31:42 hehe May 01 11:31:54 Ill probably play with my beagle, it needs more love May 01 11:43:37 My phone's joystik is almost dead, what phone with EDGE and *nix shell can you advice? I need browser, jabber-client, irc-client, SSH-client, SMS and almost no need for voice calls May 01 11:46:17 ok, is it just me, or is busybox's "date" parsing completely whacked? May 01 11:46:43 root@om-gta02 ~ $ date +%Y%m%d -s "20090501" May 01 11:46:43 20110809 May 01 11:46:44 Xenius[xchat]: you're aware you are at #openmoko? OM phones don't have a joystick or EDGE (alas) May 01 11:47:11 busybox is FUBAR by design May 01 11:47:22 But may be you know other free phones May 01 11:47:59 rumor is Neo still is only free phone May 01 11:48:19 Weiss: lol May 01 11:49:36 But may be some non completely free phones can be reflashed to normal OM or Qtopia May 01 11:49:58 root@om-gta02 ~ $ date -s "124901052009" May 01 11:49:58 Mon Jan 18 01:05:00 GMT 2010 May 01 11:50:45 jr@halley:~/Documents/OpenMoko> LANG=C date +%Y%m%d -s "20090501" May 01 11:50:47 date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted May 01 11:50:48 20090501 May 01 11:52:50 root@om-gta02 ~ $ LANG=C date +%Y%m%d -s "20090501" May 01 11:52:50 20100809 May 01 11:53:20 i can't quite understand how it gets from what i type to what it sets May 01 11:53:28 http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework May 01 11:53:41 anyway: hwclock --hctosys and then just setting the time (which works) gets me accurate again May 01 11:55:00 jr@halley:~/Documents/OpenMoko> LANG=C date +%Y%m%d -d "20090922" May 01 11:55:01 20090922 May 01 11:55:02 ah, http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html has the recognised formats May 01 11:55:23 ~lart busybox May 01 11:55:24 * apt grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats busybox until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with May 01 11:56:26 bingo: root@om-gta02 ~ $ date "2010-05-01 12:56:10" May 01 11:56:26 Sat May 1 12:56:10 BST 2010 May 01 11:57:49 * DocScrutinizer refuses to continue conversation about such a rotten piece of sw May 01 11:58:26 * DocScrutinizer could install cygwin on winmoob6 as well May 01 12:07:08 * XorA prefers to install linux on windows May 01 12:11:00 Is there a busybox channel? May 01 12:11:17 Randomly - I'm trying to find a manpage for msh May 01 12:11:38 most busybox commands are only documented in the code May 01 12:11:51 :/ May 01 12:12:03 msh.c isn't pretty. May 01 12:12:33 I'm trying to work out how to reflash my router with a slightly custom image of my choosing. I have a root msh shell. May 01 12:12:49 * SpeedEvil stabs manufacturers that violate GPL. May 01 12:15:13 SpeedEvil: contact laf0rge! May 01 12:15:42 ? May 01 12:15:51 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r0b34c8da7024 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_csv_contacts.py: opimd: CSV_Contacts: support deleting and updating contacts May 01 12:15:52 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r9ca94c43c6e9 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: add some stub for updating contacts May 01 12:17:17 s/laforge/gpl-violations.org/ May 01 12:17:25 SpeedEvil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Welte ""for his activities in enforcing the GNU General Public License (GPL)"" May 01 12:17:26 did May 01 12:17:31 they can do nothing May 01 12:17:41 US companies only May 01 12:19:03 ? May 01 12:19:32 strange, i though they had their share of dealing with asian manufacturers as well May 01 12:22:04 As I understand it, their options are real limited for chinese manufacturers with no UK/EU arm May 01 12:22:22 (dynamode) May 01 12:24:52 Tangogps has a choice for "Save your route to log (for extending OSM)", and then it starts writing to timestamp.log w/the path from you activated the function - but is there any way to save "where i have been driving", after you have been there? May 01 12:27:10 you mean output historical path? May 01 12:32:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * raa61450fb3cf 10/docs/ogsmd/ti_calypso/modem: [TI CALYPSO] document +CCLK oddity May 01 12:41:42 mickeyl: you noticed dialog in this chan about USSD and servicecodes ~12:30 CEST? May 01 12:42:06 no, usually i no longer parse the channellog unless someone pings me May 01 12:42:12 let me scroll back May 01 12:42:16 k May 01 12:42:18 :) May 01 12:43:33 ok May 01 12:43:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07specs * r54312fcf90b5 10/opim/ (9 files): May 01 12:43:35 freesmartphone.org: add spec files for the PIM interfaces (opimd) May 01 12:43:35 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann May 01 12:43:39 there are two kinds of ussd May 01 12:43:48 i see May 01 12:43:52 actually May 01 12:43:54 only one kind May 01 12:43:58 but the others look similar May 01 12:44:04 "real" ussd get sent to the network May 01 12:44:09 "fake" ussd get parsed by the phone May 01 12:44:20 real ussd can use +CUSD May 01 12:44:24 fake usd need to use ATD May 01 12:44:48 isn't it the other way round? May 01 12:45:42 no, try May 01 12:45:46 the IMEI thing e.g. May 01 12:45:47 if they're parsed I wouldn't expect ATD May 01 12:45:50 does not work with CUSD May 01 12:45:52 but works with ATD May 01 12:46:31 CUSD does not go through the modem itself May 01 12:46:39 well, how can i put that May 01 12:46:43 it's not evaluated by the modem May 01 12:46:47 it just gets sent May 01 12:46:52 while ATD gets evaluated before May 01 12:47:04 hmm, I'm not sure about whether *all* could go thru ATD tho May 01 12:47:13 i think so May 01 12:47:18 +CUSD is a later addition May 01 12:47:24 yup May 01 12:48:33 well fact is a lot of *47*11# doesn't work as expected May 01 12:49:11 *#61# e.g. May 01 12:49:50 anyway I really need to run now May 01 12:50:22 bye May 01 12:50:28 cu May 01 12:51:01 *#61# works fine May 01 12:51:09 atd*#06#; May 01 12:51:09 35465101160223440 May 01 12:51:09 OK May 01 12:51:18 oh May 01 12:51:22 #06# vs. 61# May 01 12:51:25 what does 61 do? May 01 12:51:39 mickeyl: some forwarding May 01 12:51:46 check status forwarding May 01 12:52:03 so that numbers can't be called by SendUssdRequest? May 01 12:53:22 never tried the codes for which "real" commands exist May 01 12:53:33 ussd are merely useful for balance checking etc. May 01 12:53:48 Yeah, whenever I do any of those *#06# type numbers, it just opens a window that says "Service Data:" and nothing else. May 01 12:53:54 mickeyl: yep, it works in SHR (balance chenking wtc.) May 01 12:54:07 Digital_Pioneer: cause it's called as ussd May 01 12:54:08 And I use SHR-U. May 01 12:54:28 And what (forgive my ignorance) is USSD? May 01 12:54:49 Unstructured Supplementary Service Data May 01 12:55:39 OK, and why does that make it not work? May 01 12:56:34 well, it works May 01 12:56:37 for some commands May 01 12:56:39 some not May 01 12:56:50 which and which not depends on your network, SIM issuer, and modem May 01 13:04:26 IC. May 01 13:11:20 [FSO] Is there a suported way to upgrade FSO 5.0 to 5.1, without re-flashing my root filesystem? Also, is there a 'current stable' kernel to use with FSO? May 01 13:12:38 Is there a 'current stable' kernel to use with any distro? ;D May 01 13:13:05 Actually, I've not had any trouble so far with kernels except for accelerometer quirks. May 01 13:13:55 Wifi seems to be a problem at the moment. May 01 13:14:08 But since I couldn't get knjMokoWifi to work anyway.... May 01 13:14:23 stable as in "not being changed all the time", or stable as in "works"? May 01 13:15:04 'Mostly works' would be the most to ask for, I guess... May 01 13:16:00 i haven't had any particular kernel problems using the tip of andy-tracking for a while, but others may disagree.. May 01 13:17:05 Oh, I have relatively little trouble with Wifi, I just can't find a GUI that works with it. :D May 01 13:18:25 (i actually use drm-tracking, but it's "just" andy-tracking with some glamo bits messed around with. don't go there..) May 01 13:23:56 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r29fb45059828 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: fix importing fields many times from the same backend May 01 13:23:57 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * re19e25452517 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_csv_contacts.py: opimd: CSV_Contacts: fix deleting May 01 13:24:02 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rbf641ad11316 10/docs/ogsmd/ti_calypso/modem: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework May 01 13:31:05 hi. just in case anyone of you get the urge to compile, say, enlightenment on the phone, be discouraged. it is very slow. May 01 13:31:54 =) May 01 13:32:09 (14:53:23] never tried the codes) that's the problem May 01 13:32:21 could be May 01 13:32:33 but i don't see much value in using these codes May 01 13:32:40 they're for featurephones May 01 13:32:57 nope, they are foundation of services May 01 13:32:59 forwarding, PIN on/off, etc. is better operated with the dedicated commands May 01 13:33:39 I'm not averse, as long as the basic *xx# work as well May 01 13:33:49 sure May 01 13:33:52 and it looks it does May 01 13:34:02 at least for things like checking balance May 01 13:34:03 basically these are all network-defined May 01 13:34:43 nope, balance check is a "real" USSD conprised of 3 digits May 01 13:35:11 whereas *61*number# is a generic service control command May 01 13:35:27 why do you need *61*number#?` May 01 13:35:30 as well as *#61#, #61# May 01 13:35:49 duh, because I *want* to use it May 01 13:36:06 and i have for now, as there is no servicemenu in SHR May 01 13:36:22 SpeedEvil: yes, i think so May 01 13:36:33 ok, then if it doesn't work with CUSD and not with ATD, then it's broken in the modem or the network or the card issuer May 01 13:36:46 or a combination of those May 01 13:36:57 Drove for an hour w/tangogps yesterday, but forgot to turn on logging before i left - is there any way to save it after? May 01 13:37:02 it seems to work, but answer isn't displayed May 01 13:37:44 there's an empty "data: " screen, for *#06# as well as for *#61# May 01 13:38:13 well, the first one does not work via CUSD May 01 13:38:25 either the dialer or fso needs to have an exception list May 01 13:38:28 for those fake codes May 01 13:38:32 since those need to go via ATD May 01 13:38:35 the second one also shouldn't May 01 13:38:56 I think all should go via ATD May 01 13:39:08 no May 01 13:39:11 as that's what I actually want it to be like May 01 13:39:12 you can't define the charset May 01 13:39:23 CUSD allows you to define the charset you want to receive the answer in May 01 13:39:27 that's better than via ATD May 01 13:39:45 duh, I don't care. My 9Y old nokia doesn't care May 01 13:39:50 simply works May 01 13:40:19 yo, check with Dieter, perhaps something wrong in the firmware May 01 13:41:43 mickeyl: is there a way to start subsystems in different processes? May 01 13:41:55 using call.Initiate you can send any code May 01 13:42:14 mickeyl: i want to test opimd sim backend, but restarting whole frameworkd takes forever May 01 13:42:23 :P May 01 13:42:30 you can limited the subsystems to start May 01 13:42:38 use -s May 01 13:43:05 mickeyl: i know, but i want to have "frameworkd -s odeviced,ousaged,ogsmd" in one process and "frameworkd -s opimd" in second May 01 13:43:14 and only restart that opimd May 01 13:43:29 you need to patch something then May 01 13:43:40 somewhere it checks whether org.freesmartphone.frameworkd is already registered May 01 13:43:43 it bails out, if so May 01 13:43:49 remove this check or outcommet May 01 13:45:00 [2009-05-01 14:51:10] atd*#06#; May 01 13:45:01 [2009-05-01 14:51:10] 35465101160223440 May 01 13:45:03 [2009-05-01 14:51:11] OK May 01 13:45:09 [2009-05-01 14:53:50] Yeah, whenever I do any of those *#06# type numbers, it just opens a window that says "Service Data:" and nothing else. May 01 13:45:32 So this seems to be a dialer problem, not calypso firmware May 01 13:45:52 dos1: ^ May 01 13:46:25 dialer just displays window "Service Data:" on incoming ussd signal from frameworkd May 01 13:47:29 so then it's a frameworkd problem not accepting answers other than a mere OK from ATD May 01 13:47:55 whatever it is, it needs to be fixed! May 01 13:49:10 mickeyl: ^ May 01 13:49:11 someone could enhance the SendUssdRequest to use ATD for several classes of requests, and synthesize the service data signal May 01 13:50:07 open a ticket :) May 01 13:50:19 bbiab, painting some furniture May 01 13:54:35 * DocScrutinizer away burning some cars ;-) May 01 14:00:24 mickey|gardening: well at least "*31#telnumber" seems to work ;-) May 01 14:40:08 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r7e107d192583 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: opimd: SIM_Contacts_FSO: implement deleting contacts and remove requesting/releasing GSM resource May 01 14:40:09 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r94fbe64d87b2 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_contacts.py: opimd: SQLite_Contacts: fix backend properties to be more accurate ATM May 01 16:00:09 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r5e762d827495 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: May 01 16:00:09 freesmartphone.org: opimd: Contacts: return successful merge when trying to add contact, which already exists May 01 16:00:09 freesmartphone.org: It should close "Don't duplicate contacts when calling InitAllEntries twice" ticket on my paper-trac :) May 01 16:38:40 fso-unstable is Om 2009.X :) May 01 16:42:55 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rd1fa4df75446 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: ignore special _backend fields when merging May 01 17:19:14 dos1: please do me a favour and include some means to disable automatic readout of SIM conatcs (or of any database for that purpose) on opimd-startup. I really don't like to have my SIM contacts imported over and over again - but also I don't like to delete them from SIM. Idea is to import them once, then delete the undesirable ones in local db May 01 17:21:29 dos1: occasionally I even use a friend's SIM for test purposes. For sure I don't want his contacts to be imported unconditionally May 01 17:22:05 DocScrutinizer: contacts aren't imported. they are only read and stored on one session. May 01 17:22:20 on second session you have to read they from sim again May 01 17:22:30 hmm, so no local db at all? May 01 17:22:49 there are backends May 01 17:22:52 sim, sqlite, csv May 01 17:23:13 ok, so this doesn't change the request anyway May 01 17:23:24 on initallentries, backends reads contacts May 01 17:23:36 they are saved only in memory May 01 17:23:43 it's kind of cache May 01 17:23:48 there is no importing May 01 17:24:18 still I want to disable SIM readout May 01 17:24:58 or, alternatively, have a filter to hide all sim contacts in "cache" May 01 17:31:14 ahoi May 01 17:31:35 dos1: to elaborate: in local db I might have "bob 1234 5678". On SIM I have "bob-office: 1234" and "bob-home:5678". I like to keep it this way, and I don't want the SIM contacts to show up usually May 01 17:32:18 we can support categories on sim in opimd May 01 17:32:49 but of course, there should be ability to disable backends in frameworkd.conf May 01 17:33:07 :-) May 01 17:33:13 great May 01 17:35:36 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r239ed9e29d37 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: init all entries on startup May 01 17:40:37 dos1: btw:what's meaning of "we can support categories on sim in opimd"? AFAIK sim can't handle categories - that's why I had to resort to dirty workarounds like the one sketched above May 01 17:41:49 DocScrutinizer: there was some ticker on om trac, and it should be easy to implement May 01 17:42:46 DocScrutinizer: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2085 May 01 17:46:37 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r10c83916c3eb 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: add Init() method to Source May 01 18:12:03 dos1: (#2085) I suggest to use a regex instead of hardcoded scheme May 01 18:12:43 dos1: use braces to define precedence of truncation May 01 18:14:53 dos1: plus a set of tuples in config to set clearnames of categories May 01 18:16:25 hmm, might become a bit of work May 01 18:16:35 nevermind May 01 18:25:07 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r306f7b159914 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: don't init entries from backends disabled in config May 01 18:37:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r3f733b42ccc3 10/src/opimd/ (4 files in 2 dirs): May 01 18:37:42 freesmartphone.org: opimd: add opimd_contact_update May 01 18:37:42 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann May 01 19:12:30 ok. I have a freerunner, i haven't set it up yet. I it to act as a stable phone for 2 weeks, what distro should i load on it? May 01 19:12:56 shr May 01 19:12:57 shr May 01 19:13:08 ok, thanks May 01 19:28:29 hmm, killed my first FR battery May 01 19:28:33 lucky I got spares :-) May 01 19:30:01 XorA: how did you manage to do THAT? May 01 19:30:30 DocMobilizer: no idea, it just doesnt charge anymore, but it was one of the really early batteries May 01 19:30:39 DocMobilizer: GTA02v3 era May 01 19:30:53 hmm May 01 19:31:18 have a pile of spares though May 01 19:32:09 would really like to know what broke exactly May 01 19:33:15 DocMobilizer: email me your address May 01 19:35:30 but not to my old OM address :-) May 01 20:02:53 ~seen Dave May 01 20:02:56 dave was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 15d 18h 21m 40s ago, saying: 'hahaa'. May 01 20:05:22 so shr has testing and unstable. download page says unstable is recommended, shr page says testing is recommended. any idea? May 01 20:06:55 unstable May 01 20:07:09 but it's my opinion May 01 20:08:49 ok, on unstable there seems to be lite and non-lite variant May 01 20:08:53 whats the diff? May 01 20:09:00 more software May 01 20:10:20 more software is generally good. my main concern is i need stable calling for the next 2 weeks. will that matter? otherwise i would assume non-lite May 01 20:10:29 Ian00: shr is recommended ;) May 01 20:10:47 DocMobilizer, yes, i'm doing shr, but trying to pick between the 3 variants May 01 20:11:04 unstable lite, unstable, or testing May 01 20:11:08 :) May 01 20:11:18 which of those is recommended? May 01 20:11:21 testing unlite May 01 20:11:37 k May 01 20:11:52 i'm using my testing as of04-16. srable May 01 20:12:16 I recently flashed the 04/22 version of shr testing May 01 20:12:27 getting a lot closer to being usable May 01 20:12:48 om-testing was pretty nifty (nice and fast), but lacking in software May 01 20:13:02 mirko :) May 01 20:13:11 hi DocMobilizer May 01 20:13:31 came just in time to hear sth nice being said about om-testing ;) May 01 20:14:14 don't get too inflated, I flashed it back over to the latest shr testing :) May 01 20:14:20 hehe May 01 20:14:22 no worries May 01 20:14:28 but that being said, I do like where it's headed May 01 20:14:46 btw lacking software in what sense? May 01 20:15:21 didn't see much in the way of anything but bare necessities May 01 20:15:31 ah May 01 20:15:31 dialer, sms, and a clock May 01 20:15:41 hehe, yeah paroli ;) May 01 20:15:51 behind it is the usual illume thingy May 01 20:15:55 I do like how quickly it responded though May 01 20:16:06 nice May 01 20:16:31 shr is usable, but can be a bit jumpy sometimes May 01 20:17:05 the wiki links i found for for shr testing is broken: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02 May 01 20:17:12 what is a good link? May 01 20:17:15 k, I should really use this weekend to finally take a look at shr May 01 20:17:40 k, coke&rum and then sleep ;) May 01 20:17:44 the 04/22 release of shr-testing somehow managed to fix the buzz issue in software for me May 01 20:17:51 I thought that was a hardware fix May 01 20:18:33 ian: grab openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090422-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 and uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr81c61a7d1abb03aecd13f5395aba355e996a1641-r3.4-om-gta02.bin May 01 20:18:35 ndnihil: pureincidence May 01 20:19:29 ndnihil, ok, from where? paste a link to the directory May 01 20:19:29 not that mine was buzzing very badly at all in the first place May 01 20:19:32 it was very usable May 01 20:19:52 there is also sth that can be done software wise May 01 20:20:02 ian: the shr repositories May 01 20:20:06 some channel settings between modem and sw, me thinks May 01 20:20:27 mirko: I did that, but there was still a slight hum, not bad, but noticable May 01 20:20:34 mirko-paroli: nope May 01 20:20:35 noticeable May 01 20:21:19 ndnihil, ok, what directory in the shr repo? from here http://build.shr-project.org/ May 01 20:22:32 you can set At%N for different noisegate level May 01 20:22:32 hrm, looks like it got moved to shr-testing-bad May 01 20:22:33 DocMobilizer: i got that from nytowl May 01 20:22:35 for some reason? May 01 20:22:50 i don't really use phones much these days May 01 20:22:56 ya, whats bad about it? lol May 01 20:23:53 mirko-paroli: dunno where from nytowl got that May 01 20:24:17 the screen lock doesnt work, gprs config settings dont hold when made through the gui, and there is a screen redraw issue when switchind modes May 01 20:24:21 maybe it only reduced it May 01 20:24:24 urban legend May 01 20:24:26 but hell, that's no worse than the previous release May 01 20:25:56 ndnihil, so i should disregard the -bad move? May 01 20:26:13 not sure, I don't know why it was marked bad May 01 20:26:41 anyone from shr project around? May 01 20:28:16 and the list archives are only as recent as january May 01 20:28:46 for announce anyway May 01 20:29:25 ndnihil: The testing branch was moved to -bad because the feed was bad (for doing your own build) May 01 20:29:29 the images out there should be fine May 01 20:29:37 ah May 01 20:29:46 thanks for clarifying that May 01 20:29:51 yw May 01 20:29:59 yes thank you May 01 20:30:02 ian: flash away May 01 20:30:06 mrmoku marked it bad yesterday. I'm surprised it wasn't already fixed May 01 20:30:36 MRMOKU May 01 20:31:02 He's on in openmoko-cdevel May 01 20:32:03 ndnihil, so you told me to get 2 files, on the flashing instructions there are 3 files, it seems the kernel is the one you didn't mention, should i get that too? May 01 20:32:14 uImage is the kernel May 01 20:32:29 bootloader is third May 01 20:32:31 ok :) May 01 20:32:31 third file is probably bootloader (uBoot or qi) May 01 20:32:48 yes, the bootloader May 01 20:32:51 should i update that? May 01 20:32:57 I wouldnt bother May 01 20:32:57 its with what came with the phone now. May 01 20:33:03 ok May 01 20:33:08 and in fact May 01 20:33:11 havent bothered May 01 20:33:16 mine is still running the uBoot it came with May 01 20:35:44 heard u need new uboot to ger resume reason. nobody using that for now:-/ May 01 20:37:01 only thing that has made me consider updating is the image backup ability May 01 20:37:18 can flash to the phone easily enough, but reading the flash and dumping to file doesnt work May 01 20:37:36 yup May 01 20:38:08 heard that rumor ;-) May 01 20:55:01 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r13cd1b7d8538 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/api_overview.txt pimb_csv_contacts.py pimd_contacts.py): May 01 20:55:01 freesmartphone.org: opimd: Contacts: implement Update(); allow backends to use sync() after deleting or updating; May 01 20:55:01 freesmartphone.org: CVS_Contacts: use sync(). May 01 20:55:16 mrmoku: please :) May 01 20:56:46 generally, i can activate a number & sim on another phone, then swap the sim into the freerunner, right? May 01 20:57:25 ian: yep, I swiped the sim and 2G uSD from the brokeberry work gave me :) May 01 20:57:56 free unlimited data plan ftw May 02 00:09:26 moin raster :) May 02 00:13:27 DocMobilizer: BOOOO May 02 00:14:04 Has any other mobile phone stacks started using FSO on their phones ? May 02 00:15:18 nup May 02 00:15:28 android has its own thing May 02 00:15:34 symbian - is.. symbian. yeah right May 02 00:15:48 FSO will eventually die before it's complete ! May 02 00:15:52 android re-invented everything so they arent going to go suddenly change May 02 00:16:20 CVirus: nonsense May 02 00:16:33 it cant die as long as people work on it May 02 00:16:39 and it works on some platform somewhere May 02 00:16:57 the fact is that currently there are no "open" phones other than gta02 May 02 00:17:12 not to talk about the cloudy meaning of "complete" May 02 00:17:20 (that you can readily buy - prototype engineering ones exist) May 02 00:17:44 yeah "does it work and do the things i need" is all it needs to achieve May 02 00:17:53 the things "i need" depends on your platform and goals May 02 00:18:43 but pretty much seems the state of py framework. no it's going vala for performance May 02 00:19:04 s/no /now / May 02 00:19:05 DocScrutinizer meant: but pretty much seems the state of py framework. now it's going vala for performance May 02 00:21:27 personally i dont agree with/like the idea of doing it all in python first - then switching langs entirely to make it usable May 02 00:21:36 i'd alwasy do it in the final lang first May 02 00:21:55 cant seem to back up to andy-tracking 2.6.28 kernel from 2.6.29rc3 May 02 00:23:44 FSO is going vala ? May 02 00:23:52 yes May 02 00:24:05 wtf May 02 00:24:23 raster: link ? May 02 00:25:19 dunno May 02 00:25:22 it is though May 02 00:25:27 ask the fso guyus May 02 00:25:41 this is utterly stupid May 02 00:26:29 well doing it in 2 langs is - yes May 02 00:26:37 but doing it in python at all was stupid May 02 00:26:45 it eats through memory May 02 00:27:02 ah they're just porting to vala while keeping the python stuff ? May 02 00:27:15 python stays until vala port finished May 02 00:27:18 then i guess it dies May 02 00:27:25 now this is stupid May 02 00:27:34 they should have gone with C/C++ in the first place May 02 00:27:42 we haerd that already, CVirus May 02 00:27:48 DocScrutinizer: sorry May 02 00:27:56 thats what i said May 02 00:28:13 agreed May 02 00:28:22 personally i think "lets do it in python to prototype it" then change to a complete new lang to do it right -= was silly May 02 00:28:31 i would have always done it in c to begin with May 02 00:28:37 yes - its longer and more footwork May 02 00:28:42 but you save totally re-doing it May 02 00:28:53 and its easy enough in c anyway May 02 00:29:08 i've whipped up dbus daemons in c before several times - small ones May 02 00:29:20 and itsa easy to change the api etc. etc. May 02 00:29:37 but - thast in the past May 02 00:29:39 python was not a bad choice I believe ... it's good for RAD May 02 00:29:47 fso is now using vala May 02 00:29:49 * SpeedEvil passes raster 1.21JW. May 02 00:29:59 SpeedEvil: hahahaha May 02 00:37:28 * SpeedEvil wants his hoverneo. May 02 00:41:28 sort-of-ontopic - is htere a supported USB2->VGA adaptor under linux? Contemplating for a fixed device that may also have phone functionality. May 02 00:43:27 none i know of May 02 00:43:49 lucky that glamo makes usb2 bandwidth look good! May 02 00:43:54 * rooly snickers May 02 00:43:58 hey, 700 aint that bad May 02 00:44:15 hey raster May 02 00:44:17 guess what i bought May 02 00:44:21 700? May 02 00:44:29 Mbps May 02 00:44:34 rooly: you bought... an icecream? May 02 00:44:35 ct90index.jpg (JPEG Image, 600x375 pixels) May 02 00:44:39 nope May 02 00:44:41 crap... May 02 00:44:49 http://www.littlecartrader.com/zhondact90/ct90index.jpg May 02 00:44:52 there we go May 02 00:44:59 no no - more like 70mbit May 02 00:45:21 rooly: its a yerrow scooter! May 02 00:45:59 its not a scooter! May 02 00:46:19 oh it is.. just with big wheels May 02 00:46:24 engine is scooterish May 02 00:47:12 scooter has a foot platform in front of the seat May 02 00:47:17 motorcycle has pegs May 02 00:47:35 i'll go so far as to accept motorbike May 02 00:47:43 but at least you didn't call it a moped... May 02 00:48:01 sexy May 02 00:48:25 AKA 'mini-moto' ? - current scourge of council estates in the UK. May 02 00:48:39 Or is it not actually child-sized May 02 00:48:48 its a full size vehicle May 02 00:48:52 lemme show you a picture of me on it May 02 00:48:54 ah May 02 00:49:15 there exist about 1/2 scale almost exact copies May 02 00:49:20 the engine isnt full sized May 02 00:49:21 :) May 02 00:49:21 http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs036.snc1/3281_1053388614225_1211070044_126061_1384597_n.jpg May 02 00:49:44 * rooly points to the fact that its a 42 y/o trail bike... May 02 00:50:17 You may not want a hugely powerful engine on a trail bike :) May 02 00:50:41 Falling off raster is a bad thing May 02 00:50:44 s/ras/fas/ May 02 00:50:45 SpeedEvil meant: Falling off faster is a bad thing May 02 00:50:56 lol May 02 00:51:00 * rooly snikers May 02 00:51:38 me be needing to pack May 02 00:51:43 raster: idly considering what to do with bifferos.com - 26 UK pounds for a 486/133 with USB2 and little other IO. May 02 00:51:51 raster: hence the VGA question May 02 00:51:55 raster: wave May 02 00:52:23 SpeedEvil: the site runs off that device? May 02 00:52:38 raster: not AFAIK May 02 00:52:43 oooh May 02 00:52:46 raster: in principle, it could. May 02 00:52:47 you just have one May 02 00:52:49 hmmm May 02 00:52:57 well usb2 and ethernet May 02 00:53:00 Integrated 10/100 as well as USB May 02 00:53:09 you have one? May 02 00:53:13 I don't have one, I'm trying to think of a use for it first. May 02 00:53:34 to be honest - looks like like a "microcontroller" like intended use May 02 00:53:42 Trying to reduce my 'oooh shiny!' budget May 02 00:53:50 raster: not really May 02 00:53:55 raster: not enough GPIO May 02 00:54:14 well iw as thinking via usb May 02 00:54:15 raster: with 20 GPIO, that'd be damn cool. May 02 00:54:20 ie break out a usb parallel port May 02 00:54:23 or somethingf May 02 00:54:53 yeah. Not as good as a built in I2C/SPI module though May 02 00:55:02 sure May 02 00:55:09 but i personally would pass on it May 02 00:55:14 just not enough io May 02 00:55:27 and a pretty slow powered system May 02 00:55:40 at 29pounds - its cheap May 02 00:55:56 but proportionally expensive compared to a beagleboard for example May 02 00:56:04 tho it is smaller May 02 00:57:58 IUt's a pricee/feature-point that hasn't been availble before - a slightly different mix would make it attractive for more than the basic stuff it can do now. May 02 00:58:00 Needs LCD to be more fun though, and attaching one is hard. May 02 00:59:19 yeah May 02 00:59:30 as i said - i'd personally not go for it May 02 00:59:46 i prefer the plethora of io yu get via an overo + summit May 02 01:00:00 or they have a new lcd board for overo coming with 4.3" 480x272 lcd May 02 01:01:05 not to mention it'd be many times the performance May 02 01:04:08 * SpeedEvil needs to finish his usb->LCD board for ebay May 02 01:29:59 Does anyone know where I can find the package which contains "libode" ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 02 02:59:57 2009