**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 02 02:59:57 2009
May 02 03:47:41 <slaxxer> where can one get mplayer  for shr?
May 02 06:17:18 <sypher7> anyone know if GTA02 A7 is shipping yet? can't seem to find any recent news on it
May 02 06:34:34 <Ian00> so i loaded shr, how can i make a ringtone play. without recieving a call
May 02 07:07:32 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 02 08:29:35 * hipitihop waves good evening to the natives
May 02 08:29:56 <hipitihop> is there a seperate shr channel ?
May 02 08:32:42 <hipitihop> I'm trying the most excellent mokomase on shr-testing ... can someone pls point me to fsoraw package ?
May 02 08:33:02 * hipitihop weishes he could spell...meant to say mokomaze
May 02 08:33:16 * hipitihop sigh
May 02 11:02:50 <frankS2> Hi is there any way of adding contact to SHR within the command line?
May 02 11:06:02 <PBeck> ahoi
May 02 12:25:03 <DocScrutinizer> sypher7: there's no official policy to state shipment of minor board revisions. Why do you want to know?
May 02 12:26:27 <DocScrutinizer> sypher7: afaik fab is either shipping A7 or buzzfixed A6 (which is basically identical to A7) since some weeks now
May 02 12:40:49 <ChristW> I'm using FSO 5.1's kernel, with FSO's 5.0 root file system. I've installed knjMokoWifi, but all it says (when I scan for a new network) is say: 'Could not get aps: eth0 interface d....' (the rest is hidden). What can I check?
May 02 12:41:24 <max_posedon_> ChristW, uname -a && ls /lib/modules
May 02 12:44:20 <ChristW> http://pastebin.com/m7e645eda
May 02 12:46:02 <ChristW> Just a sec, this is a bit silly... I have my FR attached to another computer, so now I need to swich all the time. I\ll go to the other terminal.
May 02 12:47:24 <ChristW> Ok, that's a lot easier :-)
May 02 12:56:01 <ChristW> Meybe I'll just re-dlash my root filesystem as well, since audio doesn't seem to work, either...
May 02 13:04:34 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r052d81e78c14 10/src/opimd/dbus/ (contacts.h contacts.xml): 
May 02 13:04:34 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: opimd: fix double interface section for Contact interface
May 02 13:04:34 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
May 02 13:22:56 <hipitihop> can someone tell me the path to .desktop files in SHR please
May 02 13:38:41 <hiciu> hipitihop: /usr/share/applications/
May 02 13:49:35 <Wonka> http://build.shr-project.org/ - "shr-testing-bad" huh?
May 02 13:58:51 <hipitihop> hiciu: indeed, thanks
May 02 14:57:02 <solar_george> does anyone know how long the koolu beta6 image takes to boot after installing? It seems to be stuck at the koolu splash screen
May 02 15:01:33 <peelooo> solar_george: where have you find tutorial to install beta6?
May 02 15:02:13 <solar_george> http://freerunner.android.koolu.com/release-files
May 02 15:06:18 <Q-Master> anyone knows how to install that beta6 to uSD?
May 02 15:11:39 <solar_george> I don't suppose there's anyone here who is actually using android on their phone?
May 02 15:11:54 <XorA> me
May 02 15:12:24 * Q-Master is now using it
May 02 15:12:46 <solar_george> do you use it as you're only phone
May 02 15:12:57 <XorA> no way
May 02 15:13:14 <XorA> windows mobile is my real phone
May 02 15:13:43 <solar_george> :-)
May 02 15:15:12 <XorA> one day I hope my WM phone will run Android
May 02 15:15:15 <XorA> without issues
May 02 15:15:27 <solar_george> good luck
May 02 15:16:09 <XorA> main issue now seems to be my telco is blocking the google servers :-)
May 02 15:32:36 <rozzin> What's so exciting about Android?
May 02 15:33:21 <solar_george> nothing in particular - just wan to try it out
May 02 15:33:25 <solar_george> ^want
May 02 15:37:08 <rozzin> The technical descriptions that I've been able to find all make me go, `OK, it's... a java VM and a set of weird APIs? Why would I want that?'
May 02 15:37:31 <peelooo> one time I succeded to install android on my OM, interface is much snapper than any other, but wasn't able to get keyboard or phone working, want to try it again... 
May 02 15:39:20 <rozzin> I remember when Google first announced Android, and people went `Oh, I wonder what's going to happen to Openmoko now that it's competing with Google',
May 02 15:40:04 <rozzin> and `Wow! Android! This is a major thing for the entire *embedded* word!'
May 02 15:40:14 <rozzin> and `Wow! Android! This is a major thing for the entire *embedded* world!', rather.
May 02 15:41:14 <SpeedEvil> OpenMoko - completed - would compete directly for users with android.
May 02 15:41:14 <SpeedEvil> But - for the forseeable future, not.
May 02 15:42:01 <rozzin> How is that?
May 02 15:44:32 <ChristW> What package should I install to get 'flite' installed?
May 02 15:46:14 <rozzin> I mean, even ignoring that Android is software and Openmoko isn't....
May 02 15:47:38 <SpeedEvil> I mean - from a user perspective
May 02 15:48:13 <SpeedEvil> Assuming a stable phone stack, and some sort of easy way of picking and installing software, and ...
May 02 15:48:30 <SpeedEvil> And openmoko is both software and hardware
May 02 15:52:35 <lindi-> can you tell nokia and openmoko apart in terms of call quality? http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/call-quality/
May 02 15:56:13 <rozzin> Which is which?
May 02 15:56:54 <lindi-> rozzin: I can spoil you in /msg if you really can't tell them apart :)
May 02 15:57:19 <_charly_> i don't hear any difference... i have a bad quality ac97 onboard sound in my pc :/
May 02 15:57:53 <lindi-> ok, next I need to do the same in a more noisy environment
May 02 15:58:01 <rozzin> One of them sounds a little quieter.
May 02 15:58:16 <lindi-> which one?
May 02 15:58:44 <rozzin> I'm listening through my Thinkpad's inbuilt speaker, which is on the bottom of the laptop....
May 02 15:58:51 * SpeedEvil is listening to eeepcc
May 02 15:59:02 <SpeedEvil> which is even worse on 900A than 900
May 02 15:59:05 <lindi-> :)
May 02 15:59:16 <SpeedEvil> the 900 had decent audio quality if you balanced it on your head
May 02 15:59:32 <lindi-> note that these recordings were done in a completely silent room. it proves that there is no buzz but otherwise the environment is not very challenging
May 02 15:59:47 <khorben> which OM hardware revision?
May 02 16:00:11 <lindi-> khorben: V5 with buzzfix
May 02 16:00:15 <khorben> ok
May 02 16:00:32 <lindi-> and http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state
May 02 16:01:07 <khorben> thx
May 02 16:01:40 <lindi-> i think i'll make the "noisy background test next.." maybe a TV set will provide enough background noise
May 02 16:02:39 <DocMobilizer> lindi-: nice. but dl\o you have any plan what to do with the results of these tests?
May 02 16:04:41 <DocMobilizer> often those things start a life of their own. sometimes they grow up to monsters
May 02 16:06:25 <lindi-> DocMobilizer: i'll ask people who have audio problems to do these tests so that we can objectively talk about them
May 02 16:08:01 <DocMobilizer> so usually its better to have a clear Q and defina a  way to find A
May 02 16:08:18 <DocMobilizer> best a /N
May 02 16:08:31 <DocMobilizer> Y/N
May 02 16:09:05 <lindi-> DocMobilizer: the question is, why do people complain that they can't hear what I am saying :)
May 02 16:09:20 <DocMobilizer> than to have A and seRch for Q
May 02 16:10:05 <DocMobilizer> hard to answer Y/N
May 02 16:11:51 <lindi-> DocMobilizer: "can people statistically detect whether I am using openmoko or nokia without any special equipment?" ;)
May 02 16:12:52 <DocMobilizer> cool
May 02 16:14:00 <DocMobilizer> a good Q. a nice test
May 02 16:14:37 <DocMobilizer> full support here
May 02 16:22:49 <sypher7> DocScrutinizer: I ordered my openmoko a few days ago and was just reading up on the various issues so I was simply curious
May 02 16:23:27 <DocMobilizer> sypher7: ah, ok
May 02 16:24:42 <DocMobilizer> depending on reseller you should prolly get a fixed device anyway
May 02 16:24:46 <sypher7> I guess it's not all that important as i'm still stuck with verizon for the next several months anyway :-P. *hopefully* by the time my contract is up i'll be able to have my openmoko ready for a day-to-day phone but if not it's still going to be fun to play with
May 02 16:25:11 <sypher7> i ordered the $299 deal off of the openmoko website so i'm not exactly sure where it is coming from haha
May 02 16:26:12 <DocMobilizer> i dont think OM dare to ship uunfixed
May 02 16:26:36 <sypher7> from what i read on lists i suspect they'd be shipping fixed devices but i couldn't find anything definitive. i'll be sure to post something about whether i get a buzz-fixed or not
May 02 16:27:09 <DocMobilizer> good
May 02 16:27:17 <sypher7> not too big of a worry obviously, as otherwise i wouldn't have ordered it :-P
May 02 16:27:24 <Weiss> surely you can use your Verizon SIM with your FR?
May 02 16:27:54 <rozzin> Verizon's not GSM--no SIM.
May 02 16:27:55 <sypher7> unfortunately verizon is CDMA, so no SIM :(
May 02 16:28:07 <DocMobilizer> eew
May 02 16:28:13 <sypher7> yup. super eww
May 02 16:28:28 <rozzin> I use a prepaid SIM with my FreeRunner.
May 02 16:28:33 <sypher7> signed up with them years ago before i knew. *sigh* regrets. :-D
May 02 16:29:06 <sypher7> i'll probably get a prepaid SIM to test it out at some point. or maybe just go into the t-mobile store and see if they have something I can test with
May 02 16:29:16 <DocMobilizer> prepaid works great
May 02 16:29:57 <rozzin> Having a separate SIM for the FreeRunner certainly makes it easier for me to develop on the FreeRunner
May 02 16:30:25 <sypher7> rozzin: good point. i'm hoping to develop on it at some point too, so perhaps that's what i'll do
May 02 16:30:52 <rozzin> of course, my other SIM is my *main* phoneline.
May 02 16:31:27 <rozzin> If I had a landline, I guess it wouldn't matter so much;
May 02 16:31:38 <mwester> Buy a prepaid SIM -- I got a couple from eBay; works great.  The guys at the t-mobile stores (in the us anyway) can't do anything except try to sell you a phone with a SIM, they look at you like you are insane for wanting just the SIM card.
May 02 16:31:42 <rozzin> it's not like I develop much while I'm out on the town.
May 02 16:31:53 <rozzin> Actually, it's not like I go out, much....
May 02 16:32:07 * rozzin grins.
May 02 16:32:54 <DocMobilizer> crazy USA
May 02 16:32:56 <sypher7> mwester: yeah, i've been wondering what i would say to them... lol
May 02 16:33:22 <rozzin> mwester: Don't you worry that your eBay SIM was used in terrorist activities or something? :)
May 02 16:33:23 <sypher7> rozzin: i'm in a similar situation. right now i only have my cell line, and i work from home, on call 24/7, etc.
May 02 16:33:28 <Weiss> in the UK at least, loads of networks are giving away pre-paid SIMs at the moment
May 02 16:34:01 <DocMobilizer> here in D you get prepaid in every supermarket
May 02 16:35:01 <mwester> rozzin:  I'm already on the NSA/FBI/CIA watchlist.
May 02 16:35:19 <DocMobilizer> hehe
May 02 16:35:40 <rozzin> mwester: d'oh. Didn't the librarian offer to shred your records for you?
May 02 16:36:49 <DocMobilizer> hmm76% 7:36
May 02 16:36:57 <sypher7> alright i'm out of here. thanks for the advice everyone
May 02 16:37:12 <DocMobilizer> np
May 02 16:37:33 <mwester> This is Chicago where I'm at -- we have Bill Ayers living here (who killed a police officer with a bomb), we even have him TEACHING our children at a prestigious college.  Not to mention that our governers are all crooks, our Mayor is a crook, and all our judges are bought.  There's no worry here about "hot" SIM cards!
May 02 16:38:13 <lindi-> DocMobilizer: they seem to be surprisingly equal even when there is background noise: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/call-quality/moderate-noise/
May 02 16:38:13 <mwester> We make Somalia look honest.
May 02 16:38:31 <sypher7> mwester: haha good thing i live in dekalb -- chicago is a short trip for a sim card lol
May 02 16:38:35 <rozzin> In the US, I think that people generally have too much difficulty distinguishing between their *phone* and their provider for there to be prepaid SIMs in every supermarket.
May 02 16:38:54 <rozzin> Though, I did (surprisedly) see an `unlocked phones' section at Best Buy the othe rday.
May 02 16:39:21 <sypher7> somalia is honest, just misunderstood. that's what i learned from southpark anyhow
May 02 16:39:53 <sypher7> alright i'm actually gone now. later
May 02 16:40:03 <DocMobilizer> lindi-: no way to listen here on FR ;P
May 02 16:41:51 <DocMobilizer> lindi-: send again to docS to hilite @home backlog
May 02 17:12:35 <lindi-> DocMobilizer: what, your FR can't play it back? ;))
May 02 17:25:10 <DocMobilizer> can
May 02 17:25:41 <DocMobilizer> 't even call the page
May 02 17:26:24 <DocMobilizer> wothout painfull co[ying
May 02 17:26:32 <lindi-> DocMobilizer: no copy&paste?
May 02 17:26:46 <DocMobilizer> hard
May 02 17:26:59 <lindi-> i just select the text and choose copy from menu
May 02 17:27:36 <DocMobilizer> which fsck menu?
May 02 17:27:42 <lindi-> icewm menu
May 02 17:28:03 <DocMobilizer> pah
May 02 17:28:59 <DocMobilizer> then IF i open page
May 02 17:29:17 <DocMobilizer> whatt next?
May 02 17:29:37 <lindi-> you need to download 1M of audio :)
May 02 17:30:40 <DocMobilizer> dpubt there dl in midori
May 02 17:30:53 <PBeck> ahoi
May 02 17:31:39 <lindi-> DocMobilizer: just right click
May 02 17:32:22 * lindi- adds flac versions so you only need to download ~500k :)
May 02 17:32:29 <DocMobilizer> nfh-gdfii;dsty
May 02 17:35:02 <DocMobilizer> grr
May 02 17:35:37 * DocMobilizer finished cutting another match to shape
May 02 17:36:35 <PaulFertser> Oh man, first app that i tried that uses accelerometers, mokomaze! Fucking cool! :) And latest-kernels compatible ;)
May 02 17:36:43 * DocMobilizer curses FRcaze designers
May 02 17:37:24 <lindi-> PaulFertser: link to sources? ;) i'll make a debian package
May 02 17:37:26 <DocMobilizer> PaulFertser: opkg cmdline plz!
May 02 17:37:45 * lindi- hopes sources are available
May 02 17:38:20 <PaulFertser> lindi-: there's already a debian package. Unfortunately, it's not compatible with libode that exists in debian repo (the lib asserts). I hope you can resolve that ;) http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/781/mokomaze-0.5.0.tar.gz
May 02 17:38:33 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: opkg install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/782/mokomaze_0.5.0-1_armv4t.ipk
May 02 17:38:52 <DocMobilizer> eager to do an actual insrall via gprs :D
May 02 17:39:06 <DocMobilizer> lets see
May 02 17:40:32 <DocMobilizer> wooooohooooo downloading
May 02 17:41:06 <lindi-> PaulFertser: it's a shame it seems to require root privileges
May 02 17:41:38 <DocMobilizer> muahaha
May 02 17:41:46 <PaulFertser> lindi-: it's a shame i still run as root 
May 02 17:42:13 <lindi-> I just refuse to run programs as root, sorry :)
May 02 17:42:15 <DocMobilizer> :-/ no progress indicator on dl
May 02 17:43:23 <PaulFertser> lindi-: you're right. BTW, it's very good you do that as it (slowly) educates sane app developers.
May 02 17:43:50 <DocMobilizer> GO IMPLEMENT USERS TO SHR - N*O*W
May 02 17:44:14 <lindi-> the kernel is a problem here
May 02 17:44:24 <lindi-> there is afaik no way to grant a normal user the permission to use the vibrator
May 02 17:44:56 <DocMobilizer> bah, change perm of dev
May 02 17:45:10 <lindi-> DocMobilizer: it's in sysfs
May 02 17:45:26 <DocMobilizer> create group vibrator
May 02 17:46:07 <lindi-> DocMobilizer: i don't think that helps with /sys
May 02 17:46:20 <DocMobilizer> ok, soo kernel needs to create sysnode correctly
May 02 17:46:57 <PaulFertser> lindi-: fso was planning (and even implemented some) an interface to accelerometers. I guess it's not ready yet :-/
May 02 17:47:05 <DocMobilizer> group vib, 770
May 02 17:48:14 <lindi-> PaulFertser: one dbus call per action?
May 02 17:48:37 <DocMobilizer> also seen udev drivers to interface sysfs to dev
May 02 17:48:43 <lindi-> PaulFertser: that'll have insane latency
May 02 17:49:26 <PaulFertser> lindi-: one can implement a fast pty interface aptivated by dbus calls.
May 02 17:49:40 <DocMobilizer> lindi-: (dbus) right
May 02 17:50:34 <DocMobilizer> PaulFertser: what for activate via dbus?
May 02 17:51:01 <lindi-> PaulFertser: that'd still have one extra context switch per each write?
May 02 17:51:39 <DocMobilizer> dev node!
May 02 17:51:40 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: you ask the daemon to provide you an accel data (with particular parameters) via pty.
May 02 17:51:52 <Weiss> we could have the Direct Vibrator Infrastructure, like the Direct Rendering Infrastructure
May 02 17:52:11 <PaulFertser> lindi-: yes :-(
May 02 17:52:16 <Weiss> that includes all the necessary authentication, security etc
May 02 17:52:52 <DocMobilizer> for vib dbus is perfect
May 02 17:53:09 <lindi-> Weiss: oh no :)
May 02 17:53:33 <lindi-> DocMobilizer: perfect?
May 02 17:53:50 <Weiss> i don't really think sending the actual accelerometer data over dbus would help.. (?)
May 02 17:54:25 <DocMobilizer> opkg install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/782/mokomaze_0.5.0-1_armv4t.ipk
May 02 17:54:38 <DocMobilizer> fsck
May 02 17:54:49 <Weiss> hmm, ignore me (again) - i failed to read the scrollback properly
May 02 17:54:54 <DocMobilizer> c&p fails
May 02 17:55:47 <PaulFertser> lindi-: but now accells are just input devices that can be perfectly shared. Only access to configuration parameters should be done via FSO, no?
May 02 17:56:25 <DocMobilizer> error: missing libsdl-ttf
May 02 17:56:30 <lindi-> PaulFertser: well, i'm probably bit negative about FSO since I use it only for ogsmd
May 02 17:57:02 <lindi-> but now away for a while
May 02 17:57:41 <DocMobilizer> PaulFertser: libsdl?
May 02 17:57:54 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: yep. I'll provide a link, wait a minute.
May 02 17:58:16 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/experimental/armv4t/libsdl-ttf_2.0.3-r1_armv4t.ipk
May 02 17:58:17 <DocMobilizer> np :)
May 02 17:59:35 <DocMobilizer> done
May 02 17:59:55 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i just feel that FSO is reinventing wheels and is hard to debug ;)
May 02 18:00:23 <DocMobilizer> PaulFertser: dont think i have to repeat opkg inst mokomaze?
May 02 18:01:08 <PaulFertser> lindi-: fso is hard to debug because it doesn't have pdb integrated, in vala it'll be more gdb-debuggable. But overall fso idea and implementation is useful imho.
May 02 18:01:12 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: i guess you should repeat.
May 02 18:01:52 <DocMobilizer> :-/
May 02 18:01:54 <DocMobilizer> ok
May 02 18:03:23 <DocMobilizer> prolly should've done wget first instance
May 02 18:05:18 <DocMobilizer> WAAH! libode missing >:-(
May 02 18:06:32 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: opkg install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/785/libode_0.11-ant1_armv4t.ipk
May 02 18:12:21 <DocMobilizer> dl mokomaze third time
May 02 18:13:13 <DocMobilizer> yeah config mokomaze :)
May 02 18:13:47 <dos1> mokomaze is good, but scripts for preventing screen to be blanked sucks
May 02 18:14:05 <PaulFertser> dos1: what about fsoraw?
May 02 18:14:18 <dos1> PaulFertser: dbus-launch.
May 02 18:14:25 <dos1> instead of mdbus
May 02 18:14:30 <dos1> and it will be much better :P
May 02 18:14:54 <PaulFertser> dos1: do i understand it right that ophonekitd includes convenience calls for scripts (with refcounting) and that it won't work without ophonekitd?
May 02 18:15:04 <dos1> s/dbus-launch/dbus-send/
May 02 18:15:24 <DocMobilizer> that's really great!
May 02 18:15:27 <PaulFertser> dos1: there's a small binary fso-raw that requests the resources, starts the program and waits for it to exit. Works with plain fso.
May 02 18:15:49 <dos1> PaulFertser: yep, ophonekitd includes calls for scripts with refcounting
May 02 18:17:24 <PaulFertser> dos1: is it really useful? I think the same can be done with some simple external distro-independent wrapper, i think fsoraw is a good candidate for that.
May 02 18:17:52 <spaetz> even better, we should simply add the ccode ro mokomaze to always request the screen
May 02 18:18:01 <DocMobilizer> there's a ticket on fso addressing this
May 02 18:18:43 * spaetz prefers the fsoraw   way to ophoneekitd specific scripts
May 02 18:18:54 <DocMobilizer> created by joerg
May 02 18:19:48 <DocMobilizer> #393 ?
May 02 18:20:05 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: yep :)
May 02 18:20:23 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: will add a link to fsoraw app :)
May 02 18:20:34 <DocMobilizer> there"s a binary created to do exactly this
May 02 18:21:30 <DocMobilizer> away for more mazing :-)
May 02 18:23:15 <spaetz> dos my shr .bb for mokomaze is close to working
May 02 18:23:43 <spaetz> only adapting the fontdir is stil creating trouble
May 02 18:25:41 <dos1> dbus-send --type=method_call --system --dest=org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.ReleaseResource string:
May 02 18:25:41 <dos1> Display
May 02 18:25:48 <dos1> uh, it should be in one line
May 02 18:25:50 <dos1> and Request
May 02 18:25:53 <dos1> works way faster
May 02 18:26:45 <PaulFertser> dos1: way faster than fsoraw?
May 02 18:27:03 <dos1> than mdbus
May 02 18:27:14 <PaulFertser> Oh, i already have a feature-request for mokomaze -- cheating mode, when you turn it upside down, ball can't fall into a hole :)
May 02 18:27:58 <spaetz> hehe
May 02 18:28:03 <spaetz> fun idea
May 02 18:28:10 <DocMobilizer> hehehe
May 02 18:29:03 <Q-Master> 8))
May 02 18:29:17 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: that's a good idea
May 02 18:30:00 <DocMobilizer> well the desktop icon for mokomaze is missing / default
May 02 18:31:15 <PaulFertser> Heh, and it crashes in qvga :(
May 02 18:31:54 <spaetz> DocMobilizer: i get 2 icons with its .desktop file
May 02 18:32:23 <spaetz> i'll package it nicely for shr next week
May 02 18:32:24 <dos1> spaetz: Category is wrong, delete Application from it
May 02 18:32:37 <spaetz> yep, i know ;-)
May 02 18:35:34 <DocMobilizer> bbl
May 02 19:03:35 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: hi there...
May 02 19:03:53 <mirko-paroli> hi [Rui]
May 02 19:04:06 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: I flashed the fso5.5 testing image today. is it's paroli fairly recent?
May 02 19:04:35 <mirko-paroli> ehm can you tell me the link to the image
May 02 19:04:40 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: because I thought it was a little more advanced. but I guess it's enough for now when I find a way to import the contacts :)
May 02 19:04:56 <mirko-paroli> advanced in what sense?
May 02 19:04:57 <[Rui]> wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009
May 02 19:05:05 <mirko-paroli> ah om2009 testing
May 02 19:05:08 <mirko-paroli> yes that is recent
May 02 19:05:50 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: I must say that finally the "main" app has a readable clock :)
May 02 19:06:23 <dos1> [Rui]: Om2007.2 had readable clock ;x
May 02 19:06:29 <dos1> openmoko-today2
May 02 19:06:56 <mirko-paroli> [Rui]: can you say a word or 2 about the advanced thing?
May 02 19:06:59 <[Rui]> dos1: yeah, but it was slow as hell
May 02 19:07:11 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: I meant UI mostly UI wise
May 02 19:07:19 <mirko-paroli> ah more eye-candy
May 02 19:07:26 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: not really
May 02 19:08:02 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: I guess that the real problem is that it is fullscreen and removing paroli-theme didn't help :(
May 02 19:08:25 <mirko-paroli> ah [Rui], one sec
May 02 19:08:27 <mirko-paroli> that I can solve ;)
May 02 19:08:40 <mirko-paroli> give me a sec, just booted my testing
May 02 19:08:45 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: it does make me wish I had time to learn python :)
May 02 19:09:09 <[Rui]> paroli fullscreen and boot time are the main regressions from Om2008.12
May 02 19:10:00 <mirko-paroli> yeah, boot time is a big one
May 02 19:11:19 <mirko-paroli> [Rui]: can you ssh into your phone ?
May 02 19:11:27 <mirko-paroli> than we can solve the fullscreen issue
May 02 19:11:31 <mirko-paroli> there is a settings app in paroli
May 02 19:11:35 <mirko-paroli> which you just need to enable
May 02 19:11:45 <mirko-paroli> and then you can switch to normal illume
May 02 19:11:52 <mirko-paroli> with paroli running like any other app
May 02 19:12:05 <mirko-paroli> just tried it on my phone, works like a charm
May 02 19:13:48 <mirko-paroli> [Rui]: ?
May 02 19:19:07 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: sorry, I'm dividing the time with making dinner :)
May 02 19:19:19 <mirko-paroli> [Rui]: ah k
May 02 19:19:22 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: sure, I'm in
May 02 19:19:25 <mirko-paroli> nice
May 02 19:19:44 <mirko-paroli> do a: vi /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg
May 02 19:19:58 <mirko-paroli> and you'll find a section called settings
May 02 19:20:03 <mirko-paroli> set activated to True
May 02 19:20:07 <mirko-paroli> and restart paroli
May 02 19:20:28 <[Rui]> it is set to True, and I've restarted X before
May 02 19:20:41 <mirko-paroli> on the homescreen when you hold the aux button pressed for 2 s it should open the settings app
May 02 19:21:09 <[Rui]> yes it does
May 02 19:21:17 <[Rui]> I see... profile?
May 02 19:21:17 <mirko-paroli> there is a category Display
May 02 19:21:44 <mirko-paroli> and there you can click on profile, yes
May 02 19:21:54 <mirko-paroli> click once and it'll switch to illume
May 02 19:22:08 <mirko-paroli> might give some odd looking effects but after 3 to 4 secs
May 02 19:22:11 <mirko-paroli> you should have illume
May 02 19:22:38 <[Rui]> ah awesome how did I miss this?
May 02 19:22:45 <mirko-paroli> we haven't told anyone ;)
May 02 19:23:07 <mirko-paroli> I think angus wrote it in his announce mail, but no big fuzz
May 02 19:23:22 <mirko-paroli> yeah, so fs ain't no issue any longer :)
May 02 19:23:32 <mirko-paroli> finally ;)
May 02 19:23:39 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: well, it needs a matching theme
May 02 19:24:06 <[Rui]> because now it doesn't look that good. but even if I don't know how to do it, I guess it'll eventually happen :)
May 02 19:24:21 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: thank you very much! :)
May 02 19:24:58 <mirko-paroli> [Rui]: hehe, but not before e17 is finalized, they keep changing so many things all the time
May 02 19:24:59 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: one RFE I noticed immediately was that it doesn't play well in landscape mode. since I'm always running omnewrotate...
May 02 19:25:17 <mirko-paroli> yeah, that also is on my list
May 02 19:25:22 <mirko-paroli> haven't looked into that yet
May 02 19:25:27 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: well.... you know it's been finalizing for quite a few years, right? :)
May 02 19:25:27 <mirko-paroli> but it should be an easy fix
May 02 19:25:31 <mirko-paroli> just some edje stuff
May 02 19:25:33 <mirko-paroli> LOL
May 02 19:25:35 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 02 19:25:59 <[Rui]> gottac check on the rice, brb
May 02 19:26:05 <mirko-paroli> maybe the old asu theme still works ... it is b/w there is also a b/w e theme somewhere
May 02 19:26:08 <mirko-paroli> k
May 02 19:35:14 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: they'd have to be made to match
May 02 19:35:38 <mirko-paroli> hmm, that is a lot of work ...
May 02 19:35:50 <mirko-paroli> i would love if we could do that
May 02 19:35:58 <mirko-paroli> but it is only me on all that stuff for now
May 02 19:38:37 <[Rui]> mirko-paroli: those who know will have to have the itch :) those who don't, either learn or sigh :)
May 02 19:48:16 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r0c6c753d61f0 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: get rid of unwanted print command
May 02 19:56:25 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rbd9180c3a463 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: 
May 02 19:56:25 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Revert "opimd: Contacts: ignore special _backend fields when merging"
May 02 19:56:25 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: This reverts d1fa4df754461417dd2a26d134c03a1851d86f9d
May 02 20:01:20 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r78f5e82557de 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_contacts.py: opimd: SQLite_Contacts: implement Update()
May 02 20:44:04 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r99cae66827ee 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: opimd: SIM_Contacts_FSO: implement Update()
May 02 21:00:39 <staale> How do I install the OM2008.x messages application on SHR?
May 02 21:01:07 <staale> I tried searching the repository and opkg.org but I didn't find anything that seemed right
May 02 21:01:20 <dos1> staale: you can't
May 02 21:01:25 <dos1> that app is from qtopia/x11
May 02 21:01:35 <dos1> you need FSO compatible app
May 02 21:01:47 <staale> Ah, damn
May 02 21:01:50 <staale> That sucks, heh
May 02 21:03:32 <staale> dos1: Do you know if there's something similar to Qtopia Messages that is compatible with FSO?
May 02 21:04:13 <staale> The messages app that comes with SHR is kinda bad I think.
May 02 21:50:04 <ajuonline> how do I compile an app for the phone?
May 02 21:50:08 <ajuonline> i am running the shr build
May 02 22:57:58 <SpeedEvil> Is there actually a legal basis for that, or is it just that they can't draw genitals.
May 02 22:58:00 <SpeedEvil> oops
May 02 22:58:11 <mjr> There actually is.
May 02 22:58:43 <mjr> (funny how you can immediately deduce the context from that ;)
May 02 23:33:45 <mib_3uq7h5d9> so. 
May 02 23:34:40 <mib_3uq7h5d9> anyone in?
May 02 23:36:55 <SpeedEvil> no
May 03 02:56:49 <inputio> i'm trying to flash a freerunner phone with FSO Milestone 5.5 Preview Image.  have the following: sudo dfu-util -a 0 -R -D fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2
May 03 02:56:51 <inputio> is that right?
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