**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 03 02:59:58 2009 May 03 03:51:19 no May 03 03:51:47 dfu-util -R -D fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 May 03 03:52:04 ./dfu-util -R -D fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 May 03 03:52:11 for me May 03 03:52:55 nope May 03 03:53:06 thats not it either May 03 03:53:25 you need to specify the part of flash to write to May 03 03:53:32 dfu-util -R -D fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 May 03 03:53:45 dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D May 03 03:53:49 yea May 03 03:54:03 oo May 03 03:54:43 dfu-util -a kernel -R -D May 03 04:16:51 i got it May 03 04:17:00 now i'm trying to figure out how to get the wifi towork May 03 04:17:56 i have a terminal open and iwconfig reports no no wireless extensions on any of the three things listed, lo, usb0, and pan0 May 03 04:18:15 i don't have a sim card installed though either May 03 04:38:21 inputio: wifi interface is eth0 May 03 04:39:36 PaulFertser- so it seems to be missing or something? May 03 04:40:14 inputio: wifi needs to be turned on. On raw FSO it's done via a dbus call to FSO (can be done with cli utility ``mdbus'' or with cli-framework), on SHR there's a knob in SHR Settings. May 03 04:41:38 inputio: if you go via mdbus route, just "mdbus -s", then "mdbus -s odeviced.freesmartphone.org" etc. Use ``1'' to mean a boolean true to enable power of wifi. May 03 04:42:44 inputio: there's a decent api doc at freesmartphone.org. And if you're an end-user, you should have installed SHR or latest OM2009, both based on FSO. May 03 04:43:30 yea- maybe that is what i should do May 03 04:43:31 (though i'm not sure OM2009 has a gui to toggle wifi power) May 03 04:43:59 PaulFertser: we do actually May 03 04:44:08 someone suggested the FSO milestone 5.5. May 03 04:44:12 mirko-paroli: Nice :) May 03 04:44:13 not quite complete yet, but that is the main goal for today May 03 04:44:31 btw do you know what to use for the whole bt shabang? May 03 04:45:12 mirko-paroli: sounds like a nice thing to do at weekend :) (bt shabang) what's that? Something bluetooth-related? May 03 04:45:43 well build call forwarding and delivery-report yesterday, so wifi comes naturally ;) May 03 04:46:13 PaulFertser: yeah, which program/lib/dbus-thingy to use to scan, pair etc May 03 04:46:42 mirko-paroli: yes, i know some :) May 03 04:47:04 mirko-paroli: to pair there exist a simple python program ``simple-agent''. May 03 04:47:05 oh, btw PaulFertser did you read that there is a switch in paroli now, which allows to toggle between fullscreen and non-fullscreen ? May 03 04:47:23 PaulFertser: wrt bt: to use on the FR? May 03 04:48:06 mirko-paroli: yeah, yeah, read about it. Congratulations :) (and sorry for not showing appreciating in time ;) ) May 03 04:48:52 PaulFertser: thx, no worries, just wanted you to know, that I do in fact listen and do try to make things usable and usefull :) May 03 04:49:00 mirko-paroli: yeah, simple-agent can be used from cli only but you can easily integrate bluez4 support if you use that agent as a reference. May 03 04:49:15 mirko-paroli: there're a (semi-)working instructions on using a BT headset here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner May 03 04:49:35 mirko-paroli: i've no doubt in that for months :) May 03 04:49:51 PaulFertser: ah nice, thx for the pagee May 03 04:49:52 hehe May 03 04:50:05 well, it seems I had a hard time convincing some people ;) May 03 04:50:19 how are you anyways, shouldn May 03 04:50:25 't it be the middle of the night there May 03 04:50:29 like 4:49 or sth? May 03 04:50:37 mirko-paroli: no, GMT+3, 8:50. May 03 04:50:52 oh, that's not moscow May 03 04:51:00 or is it? May 03 04:51:05 mirko-paroli: It is :) May 03 04:51:10 oh May 03 04:51:12 hmm May 03 04:51:13 ok May 03 04:51:21 hehe May 03 04:51:32 mirko-paroli: yeah, actually it's UTC+4 now, DST already. May 03 04:52:20 oh May 03 04:52:25 i see i have to update my map ;) May 03 04:52:38 mirko-paroli: beware, it seems that there's no decent api docs for bluez4, so i can't give you an immediate reference how to e.g. perform a scan; some examples in bluez4 distribution don't work at all. May 03 04:52:53 oh May 03 04:53:04 well then I'll have to try and try and try I guess May 03 04:53:14 at least it won't cost as much as SMSing all the time ;) May 03 04:53:32 spend some 10 euros last night getting deliver report working ;) May 03 04:54:55 mirko-paroli: but simple-agent works flawlessly :) And for some (yet unknown to me reason) the instructions i mentioned don't fully work, somehow framework doesn't see a headset (it is supposed to check every 10 seconds if it appeared and bluetoothd (bluez4 daemon) should notify it). I've read through the code several times but couldn't understand why it fails to actually use the headset. Never tried to debug it because i lack a headset and end-user May 03 04:55:01 ... who do (hey, Digital_Pioneer) lack the skills. May 03 04:55:38 hehe May 03 04:56:07 mirko-paroli: oh, 10EUR seems like an overkill. Nice it finally works anyway :) Do you have a free number to call (like operator balance information)? May 03 04:56:27 well i don't have a local sim card May 03 04:56:32 so it was all roaming :( May 03 04:56:56 it's the price I had to pay for being stupid and working badly May 03 04:57:16 mirko-paroli: unfortunately i gtg now else i would help you to deduce bluez4 from the source ;) Anyway, some examples in the source work, you need to give them a try. May 03 04:57:25 would try to help May 03 04:57:31 k, thx a lot for the pointer :) May 03 04:57:41 and have fun whatever you are up to :) May 03 04:59:54 mirko-paroli: yeah, meeting with old friends from applied maths and IT department outdoors :) May 03 05:00:13 PaulFertser: What's up? May 03 05:00:28 Digital_Pioneer: read the scrollback :) May 03 05:01:43 PaulFertser: old friends and outdoors sounds good, nice thing to do on a sunday :) May 03 05:02:28 mirko-paroli: unfortunately, they're going to do some bbq, but they have prepared enough vegetables to make me happy too :) May 03 05:02:37 hehe May 03 05:02:47 PaulFertser: Aww, I was hoping you had found someone who knew how to make bluetooth work. May 03 05:03:13 Digital_Pioneer: are you too shy to ask shoragan himself? ;) May 03 05:03:32 shoragan: WAKE UP AND SOLVE ALL MY PROBLEMS!!!! May 03 05:03:36 :) May 03 05:04:32 PaulFertser: He seems otherwise disposed at the moment. :( May 03 05:07:45 Digital_Pioneer: early sunday morning in DE, no wonder. May 03 05:08:00 Well, now really gone :) May 03 05:09:15 Heheh May 03 07:07:59 mirko-paroli: Shoragan is familiar with bluez4 May 03 07:08:24 alphaone: ok, will ask him later, or whenever I see him, for now it is all wifi :) May 03 07:08:39 :-) May 03 07:08:42 okay May 03 07:08:51 alphaone: and it works btw ;) May 03 07:08:58 yay :-) May 03 07:09:53 we are slowly getting somewhere here May 03 07:10:01 cool stuff May 03 07:10:06 What are you working on? May 03 07:10:08 btw is the mutli-sms thingy working out? anything I can do to help? May 03 07:10:11 paroli wifi manager May 03 07:10:12 BT support for paroli? May 03 07:10:18 yes that would be the next thing May 03 07:10:51 don't always want to rely on gprs to get my mails onto my neo ;) May 03 07:10:54 nice May 03 07:13:50 alphaone: i am trying to get away from the image of some fullscreen app blocking everything ;) May 03 07:14:21 mirko-paroli: I just need to implement the FragmentUserData function... May 03 07:15:41 mirko-paroli: But if you avoid putting close to the maximum amount of characters in an SMS you should be fine now May 03 07:16:13 what is the max? May 03 07:16:16 1020 ? May 03 07:38:11 homies May 03 07:39:06 raster: ahahah May 03 07:39:55 :-P~ May 03 08:24:36 tehm.. why there is on buildhost only testing-bad? what is it?? May 03 08:51:55 hi, i'm searching someone who have fyp on his neo. i need all files from /lib/modules/ May 03 08:52:34 Linkas: why not download those from the repo? May 03 08:53:31 i can't find it. i need tarball with modules from fyp kernel May 03 08:54:09 Linkas: where did you search? May 03 08:56:40 lindi-:nowhere-i don't know where it can ba May 03 08:57:26 be* May 03 08:57:26 Linkas: it's in the pkg-fso repo May 03 08:58:35 lindi-:i'll try find it there May 03 09:41:59 Hi May 03 09:42:04 is OM not developed any more? May 03 09:42:24 it's still being developed May 03 09:42:34 they've just put a hold on the next version of the phone May 03 09:42:39 hm ok May 03 09:42:44 i see om 12 is still atest May 03 09:42:46 latest May 03 09:42:48 and its old May 03 09:43:13 it's still being worked on May 03 09:43:18 frankS2: ah so you are talking about the distro May 03 09:43:24 frankS2: thought you were talking about hw May 03 09:43:30 yes i am May 03 09:43:39 confusing names May 03 09:43:48 SHR seems to be the popular dist for regular use May 03 09:43:58 yes May 03 09:44:00 but i dont like it May 03 09:44:01 its buggy May 03 09:44:12 its all buggy May 03 09:44:29 frankS2: yes Om2009 is being developed and yes it also has its flaws May 03 09:44:47 * frankS2 sighs May 03 09:44:56 hard to get this phone wokring as a phone May 03 09:44:57 lol May 03 09:45:04 I use mine regularly May 03 09:45:12 more than I did the brokeberry I swiped the sim out of May 03 09:45:31 frankS2: I also think that using the FR is doable, quite easily, I heard good things about SHR and OM2009 is also usable May 03 09:45:36 i'm trying to figure out why people sometimes complain they can't understand what I say over phone May 03 09:45:46 ofc it is not a nokia/motorola/... May 03 09:45:47 ndnihil: do you ever hear such comments? May 03 09:46:08 mirko-paroli: om 2009 is not out yet May 03 09:46:20 frankS2: nope, 2nd testing image came out friday May 03 09:46:56 lindi-: nope, I had a slight buzz, but 04/22 shr testing seems to have gotten rid of that in software somehow May 03 09:47:02 I haven't done the hardware fix yet May 03 09:47:33 ndnihil: well, I have the buzz fix and I can't figure out anything wrong when I do test calls. yet sometimes people complain May 03 09:47:39 mirko-paroli: uhm where can i get the image? May 03 09:47:47 could just be a busy repeater May 03 09:48:18 sometimes calls get crap quality because the repeater ups compression as it gets more loaded May 03 09:48:34 they try to keep a certain percentage of available bandwidth free May 03 09:48:43 ndnihil: repeater ups compression? May 03 09:48:50 increases it May 03 09:48:56 which lowers voice quality May 03 09:49:06 ndnihil: really? I thought gsm supported only two compression modes May 03 09:49:15 between phone and repeater yes May 03 09:49:18 ndnihil: and the half-rate was not really used May 03 09:49:22 but between repeater and CO no May 03 09:50:24 how do I compile tangogps from source for the FR? May 03 09:50:33 apt-get --build source tangogps May 03 09:50:49 sorry but that's how I do it May 03 09:50:55 i am running the shr build May 03 09:50:56 frankS2: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/daily/om-gta02/20090501/ May 03 09:51:06 lindi-: you on debian? May 03 09:51:16 frankS2: for paroli take the fso-paroli image May 03 09:51:25 mirko-paroli: whats the most usable u think? May 03 09:51:26 if you prefer zhone take the other one ;) May 03 09:51:29 ajuonline: yep May 03 09:51:44 i made some changes to the source want to compile and try it out on the phone May 03 09:51:55 ajuonline: what sort of changes? May 03 09:52:02 frankS2: well the only diff is the main phone app May 03 09:52:12 ok May 03 09:52:16 lindi-: just tinkering, trying to learn by experimenting May 03 09:52:18 ajuonline: run the environment setup scripts and type make May 03 09:52:20 I personally don't like the look and feel of zhone, guess it comes with the job ;) May 03 09:52:27 i see only rootfs there mirko-paroli, is there any uImage? May 03 09:52:38 ajuonline: sounds dangerous :) May 03 09:52:39 ndnihil: where do I find those scripts? May 03 09:52:42 frankS2: very bottom May 03 09:52:44 lindi-: i know :P May 03 09:52:51 comes with the toolchain/utils May 03 09:53:00 there's links and instructions on the wiki May 03 09:53:07 ok May 03 09:53:10 lookin May 03 10:13:18 ahoi May 03 10:33:31 does liedekef join this channel? May 03 10:34:03 anyone using liedekefs qtextended versions? May 03 10:44:55 lindi-: (confusing names) that's name confusion of ppl not caring ;-) May 03 10:45:28 DocScrutinizer: imho the distro and company should have different names still May 03 10:45:56 OM is the Inc., OM200x is the sw, the devices are Neo, either neo 1973 or neo FR May 03 10:47:59 moin btw :-) May 03 11:02:28 lindi-: gsm has halfrate, fullrate, enhanced fullrate, and afaik adaptive rate now May 03 11:03:31 HR = 4800, FR = 9600, EFR = 14400 (also iirc) May 03 11:03:50 * shellevil stabs the lack of easy CSD. May 03 11:04:31 hmm, GSM *has* May 03 11:04:35 yes May 03 11:04:50 not easy as it takes ages to sync, and is costly and unavailable often May 03 11:05:04 Last I looked, I can't enable it on my SIM May 03 11:05:10 that's another topic May 03 11:05:19 yeah May 03 11:05:29 But it would be nice for 'SMS' type apps. May 03 11:05:50 For example, connect, send 9600 bits of un-error-corrected data in 1s, disconnect May 03 11:06:11 usually outbound csd is possible. for inbound you usually need dataplan and dedicated number May 03 11:06:47 9600 even has EC May 03 11:06:58 IIRC it takes ages to sync though May 03 11:07:08 raw bw is 14400 May 03 11:07:18 hey, will the GTA03 have this feature? http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/03/microwaving-a-cellph.html May 03 11:07:38 pff May 03 11:07:40 GTA03 is not being developed May 03 11:07:45 ATM May 03 11:07:48 oh May 03 11:08:01 well somebody should put that on the wishlist May 03 11:08:39 dunno what U r talking about, DrRabbit May 03 11:09:47 see the video May 03 11:10:52 pff, not going to happen May 03 11:10:58 :< May 03 11:12:36 DrRabbit: it's unpolite to urge people to watch videos (on unsuited devices like cellphone or tablet even) to even get to know what U r talking bout at all :-( May 03 11:13:04 Oh May 03 11:13:22 Sorry :< May 03 11:13:38 and from name of url I think it's a pun anyway May 03 11:14:48 Hmm, I should probably upgrade my Neo May 03 11:15:34 so I shurely won't go to start midori and dl some mb of html-data just to know May 03 11:15:56 via GPRS! May 03 11:16:03 ouchie :< May 03 11:16:33 and it takes my mom like 30 minutes to download something 50 MB over her 3G connection May 03 11:16:54 * DrRabbit stick wif wifi, wired if possible kthx May 03 11:29:25 I love this channel. May 03 11:40:05 /join #telepathy May 03 11:41:39 nielsle: what for ? May 03 11:42:22 Hmm.. aparently my irc client doesn't support command line arguments :) May 03 11:42:29 lol May 03 12:37:18 okay now I have an actual problem/question May 03 12:37:55 hmmm.. May 03 12:38:46 when I run opkg update, I get a bunch of 404s May 03 12:38:53 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404 May 03 12:38:56 times four. May 03 12:39:13 Om2008.8 *very* outdated May 03 12:39:27 and not supported, you should flash smth new May 03 12:39:30 I though I had 2008.12 May 03 12:39:39 thought I did... :/ May 03 12:39:41 how can I be sure? May 03 12:40:43 2008.12 *very* outdated too May 03 12:40:53 nobody care about it too May 03 12:40:53 oh okay. May 03 12:41:10 I wish I had more time to keep up with all this :< May 03 12:41:24 you should select from latest images from shr/Om2009/qtextneded May 03 12:41:43 or may be android. May 03 12:41:55 I hate google :< May 03 12:42:34 did they ever work out 3D acceleration? May 03 12:42:41 openmoko, tha tis May 03 12:42:43 that, is May 03 12:48:26 max_posedon: where do I find Om2009? May 03 12:49:13 ah, http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ May 03 12:49:34 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30,_2009 May 03 12:55:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rfae8af942bb7 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): edje.vapi: add skeleton May 03 12:55:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * re3af8f23b468 10/vapi/eina.vapi: eina.vapi: (whitespace only) sync layout with other vapi's May 03 13:13:20 Why the hell does om-manager need ImageMagick? May 03 13:40:03 Does OM2008.12 use those anti-echo AT commands? May 03 14:10:04 http://3x3cut10n3r.mybrute.com/ <-- have fun & good luck May 03 14:11:25 Lucky russia diddn't invade, as the place is clearly russian soil, as it's got russians in it. May 03 14:11:27 :) May 03 14:11:35 oops May 03 14:16:37 Hmm, any idea why I can't get wget to work on SHR? May 03 14:27:21 Alesis-Novik it works here.. May 03 14:28:54 Hmm, I tried getting the debian install.sh, and it gave the Bad address line May 03 14:38:53 Alesis-Novik: bad address line? May 03 14:39:29 It gives me bad address : pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org May 03 14:39:54 Alesis-Novik: dns broken? May 03 14:40:19 When I try to access it on Midori it looks fine May 03 14:41:32 Alesis-Novik: can you ping pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org? May 03 14:50:33 lindi-, no, and now that I noticed it, midori stops working after about a minute of the connection start (I'm connecting to a wi-fi network) May 03 14:51:15 Alesis-Novik: ok, you need to figure out that. the unofficial debian installer can't fix your network yet May 03 14:51:31 Alesis-Novik: the official debian installer would know how to use DHCP to configure your network May 03 14:52:37 I'm not even getting the installer May 03 14:53:39 Alesis-Novik: ah, then the installer surely can't help you with that :) May 03 14:54:49 yeah, I'm wondering if anyone else had this problem on SHR May 03 14:58:09 You're never going to get that downloaded or installed over the wifi -- set up the usb networking and try again. May 03 15:46:19 Question: My ssh keys are no longer accepted by my FR, I know they work, but I keep getting asked for my password when connecting. Anyone have any ideas as to what I can do? May 03 15:47:00 Toaster`: Accidentally trying different user? That was my problem last ten times I had that problem. :) May 03 15:47:37 Could be wrong permissions of the key files on either side, too May 03 15:48:34 thrashold: maybe, but I have both my root and user public keys there. If I flash to a new image and copy over the same keys (they're on my uSD card), it works fine. I'm using a connection script on my end, so I know the commands are the same in both cases May 03 15:49:17 Toaster`: No, I meant ssh 192.168.0.202 instead of ssh root@192.168.0.202. That's what I usually do accidentally :) May 03 15:50:28 Also, openssh has options to disable key login. I don't know about dropbear May 03 15:51:16 hrm, let me check the permissions... May 03 15:52:08 Also, for the keys, my authorized_keys is 644 (I think it should not be writable by anyone but the user to work), id_[rd]sa is 600 (it shouldn't be readable by anyone else), and id_[rd]sa.pub shouldn't matter, but its 644 here May 03 15:52:43 odd... my /home dir is uid:gid 1000:1000 whilst everything else is root:root May 03 15:53:43 Yep, the owner should also match. May 03 15:54:21 bing May 03 15:54:22 o May 03 15:54:36 thrashold: Thanks for the idea ti check permissions May 03 15:55:16 You're welcome. :) May 03 16:22:41 re May 03 16:36:45 hey, if i run opkg update the paket-manager trys to download http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//all/Packages.gz but at the moment the folder shr-testing is named shr-testing-bad so that the download fails - how to fix this? May 03 16:37:45 selke: wait until a new full build of shr-testing is ready? May 03 16:39:57 hrm okay, the problem is i have my openmoko just 3 days or so and i want to install some apps... but so i must wait... isn't it possible to correct the path on my openmoko? May 03 16:46:46 Toaster`, what do you think, how long does it take to the new full build of shr-testing? May 03 16:48:18 selke: not sure, I run unstable here May 03 16:48:47 Toaster`, how unstable is unstable?^^ May 03 16:49:02 selke: depends on the day/update :) May 03 16:49:07 better than testing right now (testing is broken!) May 03 16:49:18 but it still has some troubles... May 03 16:49:21 okay so i flash my openmoko with unstable :D May 03 16:49:31 I use my FR as my daily phone, though I have very few calls texts in/out. May 03 16:50:04 okay May 03 16:50:27 selke: word of advice, keep a copy of your last good working images for you rootfs and kernel. just in case :) May 03 16:51:03 well but testing-bad is my only working image at the moment^^ May 03 16:51:39 Well, when you are falling off a cliff you may as well try to fly :) May 03 16:54:00 hehe! Good analogy... May 03 16:54:37 :) I forget where I stole it from... probably B5 May 03 17:03:56 thinking of using FDOM, thoughts? May 03 17:07:40 Anyone? May 03 17:09:17 can anyone tell me whats wrong here? http://pastebin.ca/1411321 May 03 17:09:24 while trying to compile tangogps from source? May 03 17:21:47 flashing... May 03 17:22:23 So thrilling May 03 17:22:26 I don't know why. May 03 17:46:11 now, after flashing shr-unstable sudo ifconfig -a doesn't show any usb0-device... i don't know how to connect now to my openmoko... May 03 17:48:11 any suggestions? May 03 17:52:34 selke: read the wiki on the usb0/eth1 host issues? May 03 17:52:58 ok^^ May 03 18:19:33 selke did u figure it out? May 03 18:19:55 had the same problem May 03 18:20:24 ifconfig -a shoe an eth 2 or something? May 03 18:20:36 w May 03 18:21:04 :) It's a feature. May 03 18:21:30 linuxxr, no nothing May 03 18:22:18 linuxxr, if i unplug the device ifonfig -a is the same as if it is connected May 03 18:22:28 same here May 03 18:23:47 i tried to use an previous kernel but i cant seem to back up to an older kernel May 03 18:25:13 it keeps on showing up as 2.6.29 rc3 even if i flash a 2.6.28 kernel May 03 18:25:25 that sucks May 03 18:26:08 they said shr-unstable would be broken ,,an it is May 03 18:30:44 There is no 2.6.28 kernel; the package name lies. May 03 18:31:15 If you flash the latest unstable kernel and image, you'll have a working usb network. May 03 18:31:46 Have you flashed both image and the matching kernel? May 03 18:47:23 there was some error while flashing kernel, i think this might be the problem... May 03 19:07:26 okay, tiem to try SHR May 03 19:09:10 larsc: is your email blacklisted? I keep getting ': host mx-in-1.synserver.de[217.119.50.218] said: 554 ip address 194.29.192.26 is blacklisted (ix.dnsbl.manitu.net), see http://postmaster.synserver.de/554_IP_ADDRESS (in reply to end of DATA command)' May 03 19:13:48 lindi-: i got at least one of your mails. but the error message looks as if your mailserver is blacklisted May 03 19:15:45 larsc: so it seems, argh May 03 19:15:54 larsc: i resent one mail from my work address May 03 19:16:00 ah, ok May 03 19:16:10 larsc: the one that has the headers and all May 03 19:16:21 going to call my ISP next :) May 03 19:16:21 lindi-: have you been spamming again? May 03 19:17:20 larsc: as usual it is very difficult to get out of these blacklists May 03 19:18:51 lindi-: yep May 03 19:18:52 larsc: what's metafoo.de? May 03 19:19:14 larsc: whois says its your own domain? May 03 19:19:18 yes May 03 19:19:42 larsc: and the MX is this mx-in-1.synserver.de which thinks my ISP is blacklisted May 03 19:20:36 yep May 03 19:22:14 larsc: http://www.spamcannibal.org/cannibal.cgi lists one spam email that apparently was sent from netsonic which is my ISP May 03 19:28:29 It's going to horribly malfunction on any large ISP that doesn't have the users send their own mail May 03 19:28:45 one spam by a virused user, and ... May 03 19:30:08 larsc: i'm not sure whom to contact here. either your MX is using an unreliable blacklist or my ISP is really not handling its spam problemwell May 03 19:31:37 lindi-: i guess you should contact your isp and tell them that they are blacklisted at ix.dnsbl.manitu.net. May 03 19:39:42 yeah May 03 19:39:56 It's - strictly speaking - the ISPs fault. May 03 19:40:28 But the only way to ensure you get no spam coming from a smarthost serving thousands of users is to read every one. May 03 19:42:57 3000 emails from i person is a real good indicator May 03 19:43:43 larsc: yep sent them email May 03 19:44:05 larsc: got some alternative address I could use? ;) May 03 19:44:18 yes - but that blacklist will fire from the first email from the user May 03 19:44:46 (if it happens to hit the blacklists hole) May 03 19:47:08 Or to have absolute control over software installed on machines, which is similarly impractical in environments other than corporates. May 03 19:51:39 are there any games which you control with the motion sensors? May 03 19:52:02 selke: mokomaze May 03 19:52:05 quite fun :) May 03 19:52:07 or is it possible to use this sensors as shortcuts?^^ May 03 19:52:11 johnsu01, thanks May 03 19:52:18 selke: there is also acceleroids May 03 19:52:21 selke: mokomaze, openmoocow, mokofight May 03 19:52:32 which is like asteroids, I found that one harder to control but I think it'd be possible to get used to it May 03 19:52:59 thx May 03 19:59:38 opkg doesn't find mokomaze May 03 20:00:34 therre is no mokomazze pkg for shr yet May 03 20:00:42 okay May 03 20:00:49 must leave now May 03 20:00:54 thanks for your help guys May 03 20:01:04 openmoko rocks :D cu May 03 20:01:13 i'll get it ffixed this week May 03 20:23:31 In OM 2009, how do i get access to the 3rd party tools i install? May 03 20:23:39 they do not appear on the program list May 03 20:43:15 frankS2: in that case, either launch from a terminal or manually create an icon (add a file in /usr/share/applications) May 03 20:43:23 or nudge the author to add a proper launcher.. May 03 20:44:36 Weiss: i got no launcher for terminal :P May 03 20:45:43 frankS2: d'oh.. do you have a terminal installed? May 03 21:28:56 [2009-05-02 19:58:18] DocMobilizer: opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/experimental/armv4t/libsdl-ttf_2.0.3-r1_armv4t.ipk May 03 21:29:07 [2009-05-02 20:06:34] DocMobilizer: opkg install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/785/libode_0.11-ant1_armv4t.ipk May 03 21:29:18 [2009-05-02 19:54:26] opkg install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/782/mokomaze_0.5.0-1_armv4t.ipk May 03 21:29:40 spaetz: ^ May 03 21:29:57 Selke:^ May 03 21:30:11 thanks to PaulFertser :D May 04 02:07:52 a may testing shr May 04 02:11:55 Installing kernel-2.6.29-rc2 (2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2) to root May 04 02:12:07 what does that mean May 04 02:52:50 i get no sound on bay 3 shr testing May 04 02:52:58 may 3 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 04 02:59:57 2009