**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 04 02:59:57 2009
May 04 03:30:36 <gustavold> is there any graphical package manager ?
May 04 03:51:52 <slaxxer> wassa
May 04 04:50:14 <MadTBone> What's the status of opimd?  Will we see anything soon?
May 04 05:02:14 <CdK1> ji *
May 04 05:02:45 <CdK1> the cellphone OpenMoko neo...  can it have a cam?
May 04 05:03:13 <CdK1> can i plug a cam to it
May 04 05:20:33 <rozzin> Via the USB port, presumably.
May 04 05:23:40 <rozzin> erp.
May 04 07:15:15 <rhaeder> morning. just received my FreeRunner this weekend. I have updated to 2008.9 and 2008.12 doesn't want to update while flushing kernel
May 04 07:25:47 <methril|work> good morning
May 04 07:31:29 <PaulFertser> rhaeder: OM2008.x is dead for quite some time.
May 04 07:31:36 <PaulFertser> rhaeder: why do you think anybody cares?
May 04 07:32:38 <rhaeder> I can still install packages with the 2008.9 kernel/rootfs :)
May 04 07:33:14 <PaulFertser> rhaeder: what does it prove?
May 04 07:38:06 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: Hey :) BTW, wrt wifi. Do you know about dos1's work on providing a gui to connman? You might want to borrow some of his code/ideas.
May 04 07:43:43 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: wifi is working in paroli, finished it yesterday, it also uses connman
May 04 07:43:55 <mirko-paroli> and has a basic, but functional gui :)
May 04 07:44:09 <mirko-paroli> you can scan, deactivate wifi and conenct as well as disconnect from netwoks
May 04 07:46:17 <CM_work> mirko-paroli: Talked to some intel guys last week about moblin
May 04 07:46:32 <mirko-paroli> CM_work: how bad was it?
May 04 07:46:41 <CM_work> They had no idea connman worked on arm.. They are so into x86
May 04 07:47:15 <CM_work> At least they knew of OpenMoko, but they didn't want to talk about anything that didn't run an x86 core
May 04 07:47:32 <mirko-paroli> hehe
May 04 07:48:18 <PaulFertser> CM_work: how can CPU architecture make any difference for connman?
May 04 07:48:36 <CM_work> PaulFertser: I wonder that too
May 04 07:48:38 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: cool, does it support WEP/WPA-PSK already?
May 04 07:49:00 <CM_work> They really liked saying "x86 is so much better than ARM because you don't have to port everything"
May 04 07:49:00 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: yes, connman is very easy to use that way
May 04 07:49:15 <CM_work> I suggested a recompile, but they insisted that it's never that simple.. :-)
May 04 07:49:31 <PaulFertser> CM_work: so, are you saying that some intel guys (developers?) said they don't care about cross-platform compatibility at all?
May 04 07:49:33 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: and to be fair I did get inspiration from Dos' work
May 04 07:49:46 <mirko-paroli> just not the gui bit :)
May 04 07:50:20 <CM_work> PaulFertser: No, this was mostly marketing people, working with moblin. Or at least trying to get companies to try it
May 04 07:50:39 <PaulFertser> CM_work: how can x86 be any better than ARM for mobile targets? Are they, like, insane?
May 04 07:51:00 <CM_work> But it really sounded like they had no intention at all in helping people to get things running on anything but Atom-cpus
May 04 07:51:17 <PaulFertser> Assholes.
May 04 07:51:37 <CM_work> They didn't like it when I compared the wattage of some ARM socs and their Atom stuff
May 04 07:51:49 <CM_work> It's an order of magnitude between them
May 04 07:52:05 <CM_work> But they insisted that arm wasn't powerful enough.. Pfftt. 
May 04 07:52:12 <PaulFertser> Either they're are stupid or they're fucking liers. I guess both.
May 04 07:52:34 <CM_work> They liked talking about "the new platform comming soon" that would be really great
May 04 07:52:35 <vininim> Does it run crysis?
May 04 07:52:37 <CM_work> We'll see..
May 04 07:53:08 <CM_work> I wouldn't mind having an arm-based netbook with really good battery life :-)
May 04 07:53:59 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: are you going to add some interface for certificates-based WPA access? Or do you think users who need that are smart enough to manage wpa_supplicant.conf themselves? And btw, how does connman fit into a regular "vi is the ultimate configuration tool" paradigm?
May 04 07:56:34 <PaulFertser> I mean, can connman co-exist sanely with a hand-crafted configuration or not?
May 04 07:58:03 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: many questions ;) I would assume who wants the cert stuff will figure that one out
May 04 07:58:16 <mirko-paroli> I do not follow the paradigm ;)
May 04 07:58:25 <mirko-paroli> and about the co-existing I do not know
May 04 07:58:54 <mirko-paroli> I am not that much into wifi actually, so i would much rather hand over the wifi part of the paroli-settings to someone who knows that stuff
May 04 07:59:04 <mirko-paroli> and then does good things with it :)
May 04 07:59:13 <mirko-paroli> for now it is only very simple connect and such
May 04 07:59:25 <mirko-paroli> good enough for walking around a city and using open networks
May 04 07:59:30 <mirko-paroli> to download mail and such
May 04 07:59:46 <mirko-paroli> no power-user interface :)
May 04 08:00:20 <PaulFertser> Well, it's still nice it works for most use-cases. :)
May 04 08:00:36 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: I hope so :)
May 04 08:04:01 <nullix> hi all
May 04 08:04:33 <nullix> i borke my aux button, my freerunner fall on the floor badly.
May 04 08:05:07 <nullix> now i wonder how i will fix that, i am not very good at soldering things
May 04 08:05:33 <nullix> and i have to find a replacement button since i borke it too by trying to fix it.
May 04 08:05:44 <nullix> s/borke/broke/ ( stupid fingers )
May 04 08:09:17 <mirko-paroli> sry had a little prob with my optical input device
May 04 08:11:34 <spaetz> DocScrutinizer: with Regard to the Mokomaze ipkg, that doesn't help me getting it into the SR repo
May 04 08:11:57 <spaetz> I need to adapt the ttf fontdir (which seems different from debian's)
May 04 08:12:25 <spaetz> and passing "make FONTDIR=/blah" works on my ubuntu build env, but fails in OE/bitbake
May 04 08:12:40 <DocScrutinizer> maybe. anyway did the trick for me on SHR
May 04 08:13:20 <spaetz> there are no .bb recipes for those ipkg by any chance?
May 04 08:13:20 <DocScrutinizer> (the three opkg installs)
May 04 08:14:56 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 04 10:14:48 <gaudenz> I have a problem upgrading current shr-testing because some packages are renamed (eg. libeina0 -> eina).
May 04 10:15:09 <gaudenz> How do I convince opkg that it should remove libeina0 and install eina?
May 04 10:15:39 <gaudenz> It just complains that eina wants to install a file that is also in libeina0
May 04 10:19:36 <alephnull> gaudenz: Use a daily rootfs image. 
May 04 10:19:55 <alephnull> shr-testing was broken last week.
May 04 10:20:06 <ndnihil> it's broken this week too
May 04 10:20:34 <ndnihil> just flashed it an hour or so ago
May 04 10:20:42 <ndnihil> keep getting module load failure on boot
May 04 10:20:58 <ndnihil> and the gprs settings still arent persistent
May 04 10:21:09 <alephnull> I used Friday's image for shr-unstable and things are better.
May 04 10:21:29 <alephnull> GPRS is now persistent. Wifi works, etc.
May 04 10:22:02 <ndnihil> the 05/02 image?
May 04 10:22:13 <gaudenz> alephnull, but then I'll loose all my configuration. Is there no way to upgrade?
May 04 10:23:04 <ndnihil> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/
May 04 10:23:08 <ndnihil> that's what I just flashed
May 04 10:23:25 <alephnull> gaudenz: You can copy all your stuff to the SD card in a directory bind-home and that will be bind mounted as your home directory.
May 04 10:24:05 <alephnull> ndnihil: I used http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/
May 04 10:24:21 <ndnihil> ah
May 04 10:24:22 <alephnull> ndnihil: The phone doesn't suspend automatically though. Keeps waking up.
May 04 10:24:48 <ndnihil> no persistent settings, and the power button is broken
May 04 10:25:04 <ndnihil> brings up a thin line in the middle of the screen and freezes there
May 04 10:27:06 <alephnull> ndnihil: Try the new om2009 testing image :)
May 04 10:27:13 <ndnihil> I did
May 04 10:27:15 <ndnihil> it's nice and quick
May 04 10:28:03 <ndnihil> I tried the paroli version
May 04 10:28:37 <gaudenz> alephnull, Yes I know that I can save my stuff somewhere and restore it after flashing the new image. But I'd like to know if there is no procedure to replace one package (or set of packages) with another with opkg if after the operation all dependencies are fullfilled again.
May 04 10:29:03 <alephnull> gaudenz: If you do find a way, do post it on the wiki.
May 04 10:30:01 <ndnihil> I wonder what todays shr-unstable looks like
May 04 10:42:42 <lambda> hi do you really think debian is usable on gta02
May 04 10:43:37 <lambda> or is it only the desperate attempt to legitimate the extreme portability of the dstro?
May 04 10:44:28 <dos1> lambda: why it would be not usable?
May 04 10:44:31 <dos1> it's only distro
May 04 10:45:09 <lambda> it's maybe not *optimised* ?
May 04 10:46:44 <PaulFertser> lambda: i use Debian for several months now, on my only cellphone. Never tried anything else though ;)
May 04 10:47:08 <lambda> ok, i , glad to hear that
May 04 10:47:20 <mirko-paroli> ah PaulFertser good that you mention it, you asked me about porting paroli to debian
May 04 10:47:54 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: I asked at the ml you once gave me, but never received an answer, got a route to paroli on debian?
May 04 10:48:12 <lambda> which terminal do you use PaulFertser ? do you happen to use an on-screen keyboard ? which one please?
May 04 10:48:21 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: yeah, that was me. But i understand that it can be too involving because you need to use almost latest E stuff and Debian is too conservative for that.
May 04 10:48:42 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: ah ok, sad to hear though
May 04 10:49:37 <PBeck> ahoi
May 04 10:49:45 <PaulFertser> lambda: i used xterm, matchbox-keyboard, illume keyboard, some people like xvkdb much.
May 04 10:50:30 <lambda> ok
May 04 10:50:33 <lindi-> xvkbd here
May 04 10:52:11 <PaulFertser> lindi-: do you by any chance have an idea if debian users are interested in paroli?
May 04 10:53:49 <lindi-> PaulFertser: not sure, i prefer something dead-simple that works right now
May 04 10:54:20 <PaulFertser> lindi-: are you a typical debian-on-freerunner user? ;)
May 04 10:54:39 <lindi-> PaulFertser: hard to say. i think most people want reliable calls :)
May 04 10:56:37 <lambda> do you think it is acceptable to use debian-on-freerunner without the Xglamo driver ? in a way to save battery ?
May 04 10:56:54 <lindi-> lambda: use xf86-video-glamo
May 04 10:57:01 <XorA> save battery?
May 04 10:57:02 <dos1> save battery?
May 04 10:57:05 <dos1> lolwut
May 04 10:57:24 <lambda> ok lindi- 
May 04 10:57:24 <dos1> using Xglamo saves battery :P
May 04 10:57:39 <dos1> s/Xglamo/xf86-video-glamo/
May 04 10:57:39 <apt> dos1 meant: using xf86-video-glamo saves battery :P
May 04 10:57:49 <dos1> cause Xglamo is deprecated ;p
May 04 10:57:56 <XorA> xf86-video-glamo unfortuneately still has rendering errors :-(
May 04 10:58:31 <lindi-> XorA: really?
May 04 10:58:37 <XorA> lindi-: yes
May 04 10:58:52 <lindi-> XorA: 451398a21 is ok, latest has rendering errors
May 04 10:59:06 <XorA> lindi-: ah regressions then
May 04 10:59:09 <lindi-> jep
May 04 10:59:16 <lindi-> XorA: latest is also 50% faster in x11perf :)
May 04 10:59:23 <XorA> awesome
May 04 10:59:28 <lindi-> XorA: larsc is working on figuring hw where the rendering errors come from
May 04 10:59:41 <XorA> who woulda thought someone would turn that crappy code of mine into something sane
May 04 11:11:11 <ndnihil> well, answers that
May 04 11:11:20 <ndnihil> todays shr-unstable is borked
May 04 11:11:34 <dos1> as supposed
May 04 11:14:54 <Kronk> Is yesterdays Testing SHR Image any good ? Anyone tried it ?
May 04 11:21:45 <ndnihil> Kronk: power button doesnt work (thin line freezes on screen), settings aren't persistent, etc..
May 04 11:22:22 <Wonka> Collected errors:
May 04 11:22:22 <Wonka>  * Failed to download http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/all/Packages.gz, error 200
May 04 11:22:25 <Wonka>  * Failed to download http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/Packages.gz, error 200
May 04 11:22:29 <Wonka>  * Failed to download http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/om-gta02/Packages.gz, error 200
May 04 11:22:32 <Wonka> WTF?
May 04 11:26:07 <dos1> Kronk: settings aren't persistent?
May 04 11:26:10 <Wonka> ah, /var/volatile full. 59MB x.log. *hate*
May 04 11:29:43 <rhaeder> Wonka: download it to your host, bzip2 it and keep it for debug purposes. then remove it from your neo and add a cleanup script to your /etc/init.d/ directory
May 04 11:29:52 <rhaeder> my idea for this "bug"
May 04 11:30:03 <rhaeder> I think too insensive debug messages...
May 04 11:30:53 <Wonka> /var/volatile/log is a tmpfs, so it's empty on every boot
May 04 11:31:00 <rhaeder> oh
May 04 11:31:08 <rhaeder> never mind :)
May 04 11:31:10 <Wonka> the FR is up for 4 days now
May 04 11:31:15 <rhaeder> but this needs to be fixed, somehow
May 04 11:31:30 <Wonka> and there's just 59MB of logs accumulated in that time
May 04 11:31:33 <Wonka> ack
May 04 11:31:44 <rhaeder> kinda a lot
May 04 11:31:47 <lindi-> i just use logrotate
May 04 11:32:01 <rhaeder> lindi: is it a opkg ?
May 04 11:32:07 <lindi-> no idea
May 04 11:32:15 <lindi-> bug logrotate has been a standard tool for ages
May 04 11:32:21 <lindi->   s/bug/but/
May 04 11:32:29 <rhaeder> :)
May 04 11:33:58 <rhaeder> logger   logging  login    logname  logread  logsave <-- this is what I have on my FR
May 04 11:34:18 <Wonka> lindi-: won't help unless the fd is closed by X
May 04 11:34:19 <rhaeder> I entered log and pressed TAB twice
May 04 11:34:36 <Wonka> lindi-: i rm-ed the 59MB logfile, but the space was not released until i stopped X
May 04 11:35:10 <rhaeder> then the FR maybe has an exclusive lock on that logfile :/ my guess
May 04 11:35:26 <Wonka> because the fd is kept open by X, and as long as it is open, you can unlink it as long as you want, the inode will stay
May 04 11:35:30 <Wonka> and with it all data
May 04 11:35:40 <lindi-> Wonka: what's in the log?
May 04 11:35:59 <Wonka> no idea, i rm-ed it and restarted X in the meantime
May 04 11:36:10 <lindi-> Wonka: please read it next time .)
May 04 11:36:38 <Wonka> lindi-: will do. but i presume there will be much crap...
May 04 11:37:57 <lindi-> Wonka: which X driver are you using?
May 04 11:39:00 <Wonka> lindi-: this is SHR... the default there
May 04 11:39:01 <Kronk> Out of interest is anyone on here in the UK @ all. Just wondering on a recommendation for best provider to use freerunner on with GPRS included in plan ?
May 04 11:39:20 <lindi-> Wonka: I have no idea what that uses
May 04 11:39:59 <Wonka> aargh.
May 04 11:40:08 <Wonka> X is off. frameworkd is off.
May 04 11:40:10 <XorA> Kronk: im in the UK, I use t-mobile Web n Walk
May 04 11:40:22 <Wonka> /var/volatile still 59M used
May 04 11:40:34 <Wonka> du -xh /var/volatile shows << 1MB
May 04 11:41:00 <Kronk> Pre paid XorA ?
May 04 11:41:09 <XorA> Kronk: both
May 04 11:41:29 <Wonka> hm, lsof helps. wakerd still has x.log open
May 04 11:41:35 <Kronk> I was on their web site trying to get my head around how web and walk works ? Coverage in London and regional ok for T-mobile XorA ?
May 04 11:42:23 <XorA> Kronk: HSDPA over most of the contry now
May 04 11:42:33 <XorA> Kronk: of course GTA02 is stuck in the slow lane
May 04 11:43:04 <XorA> Kronk: I rarely use my GTA02 these days
May 04 11:43:11 <Psi_> someone was saying on the mailing list that they got a 3G usb stick to work on gta02 i think
May 04 11:43:44 <XorA> ouch the one of those I used pulls 1A from usb :-)
May 04 11:43:45 <SpeedEvil> shouldn't be hard in principle
May 04 11:43:46 <Kronk> should be possible
May 04 11:43:52 <Psi_> i was pondering making a 1cm thick backplate on the back of the phone and including 2 extra batteries and a 3g usb modem :)
May 04 11:43:54 <SpeedEvil> with external psu
May 04 11:43:57 <Kronk> happy to use gprs just to check a little web mail :)
May 04 11:44:28 <Kronk> throw a solar panel on as well ;)
May 04 11:44:29 <Kronk> lol
May 04 11:44:30 <SpeedEvil> Kronk: I'm on t-mobile pay-as-you-go
May 04 11:44:31 <Psi_> heh
May 04 11:44:38 <SpeedEvil> Kronk: 1 pound a day cap for GPRS
May 04 11:44:51 <Kronk> how does that work ? If it's prepaid ?
May 04 11:44:53 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 04 11:45:12 <SpeedEvil> you buy - say - 5 pounds of credit, and you can use the internet for 5 days
May 04 11:45:21 <Kronk> ah in advance cool
May 04 11:45:28 <SpeedEvil> (or make calls to that value, or download 70K/day for 10 days)
May 04 11:45:42 <Kronk> ta :)
May 04 11:45:42 <SpeedEvil> Or you can buy a 'web pack' for 5 days for 2.50
May 04 11:46:00 <Kronk> what's the diffrence there ? Better value ?
May 04 11:46:24 <SpeedEvil> half price
May 04 11:46:27 <XorA> if you actually want to use the phone you might find Solo is better value at 20 GBP a month for internet and unlimited texts
May 04 11:46:30 <SpeedEvil> if youu use it each of those 5 days
May 04 11:46:36 <SpeedEvil> yeah - if you make calls
May 04 11:46:52 <Kronk> cool just has to be prepaid not monthly plan only over there for a month or 2 @ most
May 04 11:46:52 <SpeedEvil> well - many calls
May 04 11:47:02 <Kronk> roaming in the rest of Europe ok as well ?
May 04 11:47:14 <SpeedEvil> Kronk: ok - but I'm not sure of data rates
May 04 11:47:21 <XorA> yeah you can roam, but you will pay 7.50 a M while doing so
May 04 11:47:24 <Kronk> np's
May 04 11:47:27 <Kronk> eek
May 04 11:47:30 <Kronk> lol
May 04 11:47:30 <SpeedEvil> Kronk: recently the max price was capped for voice calls
May 04 11:47:36 <Psi_> here they have a weird casual data plan were its 10c per 10KB up to 200KB then free from 200KB-10MB then quite expensive after that
May 04 11:47:50 <Kronk> ?
May 04 11:47:53 <Kronk> strange
May 04 11:47:59 <Kronk> thanks for the info :)
May 04 11:48:17 <SpeedEvil> Kronk: but - for a months access - even the PAYG option is only 6*2.5=18 quid 
May 04 11:48:31 <XorA> Kronk: of course large chunks of uk have free wifi
May 04 11:48:39 <Kronk> sweet :)
May 04 11:48:44 <SpeedEvil> well - large chunks may be exagerating
May 04 11:48:47 <Kronk> lol
May 04 11:48:52 <XorA> Kronk: as long as you like beer free wifi should be no problem
May 04 11:48:56 <SpeedEvil> kinda spotty where I am :)
May 04 11:49:04 <Kronk> I'm Australian Beer goes without saying ;)
May 04 11:49:05 <Kronk> lol
May 04 11:49:15 <XorA> SpeedEvil: your in a small chuck we keep trying to remove from mainland :-)
May 04 11:49:26 <XorA> Kronk: we have real beer here, you will be amazed :-)
May 04 11:49:36 <Kronk> lol
May 04 11:49:40 <rhaeder> http://pastebin.ca/1412042 <-- missing Packages.gz as well. are they disontinued?
May 04 12:53:23 <rhaeder> I have a kernel bug in 2.6.24 (2008.9) when it tries to sleep (suspend)
May 04 12:53:26 <rhaeder> is this known?
May 04 12:54:08 <lindi-> rhaeder: "a bug"? you might want to be more specific
May 04 12:54:13 <max_posedon> nobody can answer
May 04 12:54:26 <max_posedon> version is very outdated, and nobody support it
May 04 12:54:39 <max_posedon> rhaeder, you should flash shr or Om2009beta
May 04 12:56:13 <rhaeder> max_posedon: can I update through opkg as well? I installed a lot apps
May 04 12:56:30 <XorA> bloody hell someone actually used 2008.9
May 04 12:56:35 <rhaeder> ok, I have saved a custom setup script for installing them so it tooks me only time :)
May 04 12:57:07 <max_posedon> rhaeder, you can't
May 04 12:57:30 <rhaeder> and how do I revert to older GUIs? I like the one from 2008.8/9
May 04 12:57:37 <rhaeder> but now illume :(
May 04 12:58:15 <rhaeder> max_posedon: I check the images out on downloads.openmoko.org :)
May 04 13:01:09 <rhaeder> max_posedon: where is the exact download place? http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/build/ ?
May 04 13:02:44 <rhaeder> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/ ?
May 04 13:04:48 <max_posedon> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30%2C_2009
May 04 13:04:53 <max_posedon> here was link
May 04 13:06:12 <rhaeder> thx
May 04 13:09:00 <rhaeder> the wiki didn't state the differences between paroli and zhone.
May 04 13:17:18 <rhaeder> downloads.openmoko.org seems to be slow from here (Germany)
May 04 13:17:47 <rhaeder> oh, never mind.
May 04 13:17:53 <rhaeder> my proxy :/
May 04 13:40:13 <selke> hi guys, i always get an error if i try flashing the kernel with neotool, a popup opens with: "Some error occured while flashing the kernel. Error message: Lost device after RESET? Any other pending flashes will be aborted" and a message inside the console appears "not at least 2 device changes found ?!?" anyone know what's wrong here?
May 04 14:08:00 <alephnull> selke: Try using dfu-util from the command line and see what the error is.
May 04 14:12:42 <selke> okay and where can i find out the correct dfu-util command?
May 04 14:14:37 <XorA> selke: your using a usb hub?
May 04 14:15:52 <selke> XorA, no, and i have also already flashed rootfs and kernel two days ago but today there is a problem with the kernel
May 04 14:16:01 <mokel> anyone knows where i can get this keyboard? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a0b7812b479d5cb7c9732db9e84a0a2c.png
May 04 14:16:16 <XorA> selke: well command is dfu-util -a kernel -D uImage.bin
May 04 14:16:30 <XorA> selke: assuming only one dfu capable device on your usb
May 04 14:18:02 * mirko-paroli is more curious about the illume theme on the screenshot ...
May 04 14:18:03 <selke> XorA, on the other usb-ports are just a keyboard, a mouse and my external data storage
May 04 14:20:54 <selke> well with dfu-util there don't occurs any errors :)
May 04 14:21:55 <selke> alephnull, thanks for the tip
May 04 14:41:11 <skamster> hello all, i had a question about python.. i'm just a beginner, but want to connect to dbus on the moko
May 04 14:41:23 <skamster> bus = dbus.SystemBus()
May 04 14:41:36 <skamster> this line doesn't work
May 04 14:42:04 <skamster> i had it from a tutorial on freedesktop.org
May 04 14:42:28 <skamster> but it seems like the dbus-object hadn't a method systembus?
May 04 14:42:39 <skamster> how could i connect to the dbus?
May 04 14:45:14 <skamster> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'SessionBus'
May 04 14:45:45 <skamster> bus = dbus.SystemBus()
May 04 14:47:11 <skamster> does someone know anything about?
May 04 14:49:39 <skamster> no one here?
May 04 14:50:13 <dos1> skamster: what are you importing?
May 04 14:50:17 <dos1> "import dbus"?
May 04 14:50:20 <skamster> import dbus
May 04 14:50:22 <skamster> yes
May 04 14:50:22 <dos1> "from dbus import SystemBus"?
May 04 14:50:24 <dos1> hmm
May 04 14:50:35 <dos1> try bus = SystemBus()
May 04 14:50:35 <wurp2|working> dos1: He shouldn't need that
May 04 14:50:45 <dos1> wurp2|working: i know
May 04 14:51:41 <wurp2|working> skamster: Your error message says "no SessionBus" but the line you wrote here was trying SystemBus
May 04 14:52:00 <wurp2|working> Were you trying to access SessionBus?  IIRC the dbus on OM doesn't have a session buss
May 04 14:52:03 <wurp2|working> -s
May 04 14:52:40 <skamster> yes, i could connect with mdbus
May 04 14:53:15 <wurp2|working> I'm saying your error message doesn't appear to go with the line of code you copied here
May 04 14:53:21 <wurp2|working> Did you make a typo on one?
May 04 14:53:52 <skamster> mom
May 04 14:53:52 <skamster> http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=1741&key=6a99010e5fff4
May 04 14:54:02 <skamster> this is my example-code
May 04 14:54:39 <skamster> ah, yes, i try session-bus
May 04 14:54:43 <skamster> but it's the same
May 04 14:55:54 <skamster> could be a typo, but it's just the second line and i check it
May 04 14:56:02 <skamster> so i don't belive it is a typo
May 04 14:56:08 <wurp2|working> So you get an error "no SystemBus" when you try 'bus = dbus.SystemBus()'?
May 04 14:56:23 <wurp2|working> Yeah, I was just trying to understand the discrepancy between the line of code & the error message
May 04 14:56:54 <skamster> no
May 04 14:56:54 <skamster> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'SystemBus'
May 04 14:57:09 <wurp2|working> try "print dir(dbus)" before the line that shows the error
May 04 14:57:19 <skamster> ok
May 04 14:57:43 <skamster> ['__builtins__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', '__package__', 'dbus']
May 04 14:58:06 <skamster> it's after the import and before bus = 
May 04 14:58:13 <skamster> (the print)
May 04 14:58:39 <wurp2|working> You're getting some crap dbus module
May 04 14:58:56 <skamster> damn
May 04 14:59:04 <wurp2|working> Which release are you running?
May 04 14:59:13 <skamster> then it isn't a fault from me?
May 04 14:59:20 <wurp2|working> You don't happen to have a dbus.py* sitting in the directory where you're running this test?
May 04 14:59:23 <wurp2|working> Oh, wait
May 04 14:59:28 <wurp2|working> You didn't name your test dbus.py, did you?
May 04 14:59:32 <skamster> shr-testing, from 3. may
May 04 14:59:49 <skamster> ehm, yes
May 04 14:59:53 <dos1> ;D
May 04 14:59:53 <wurp2|working> Yeah, don't do that
May 04 14:59:58 <skamster> :D
May 04 15:00:04 <wurp2|working> :-)
May 04 15:00:17 <wurp2|working> I had just that bug a few months ago.  It was a bitch to figure out
May 04 15:01:07 <skamster> *g
May 04 15:01:22 <skamster> yeah, now it's does something more
May 04 15:01:23 <skamster> :)$
May 04 15:01:27 <skamster> thanks a lot
May 04 15:01:32 <wurp2|working> yw
May 04 15:04:43 <skamster> ehm, if i could ask one more question.. how must the last variable be? (test)
May 04 15:04:52 <skamster> test = gsm.org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessage(1)
May 04 15:04:56 <skamster> like this?
May 04 15:05:17 <skamster> (this is the exactly result from mdbus, but dosn't work)
May 04 15:06:41 <wurp2|working> skamster: I'm not sure... I would use mdbus to explore for the path to the object
May 04 15:06:54 <skamster> this isn't also the right thing test = gsm.RetrieveMessage(1)
May 04 15:07:05 <skamster> yes, i does that
May 04 15:07:17 <skamster> and i could retrive a message from dbus
May 04 15:07:22 <skamster> eh
May 04 15:07:23 <skamster> mdbus
May 04 15:07:30 <wurp2|working> Oh
May 04 15:07:40 <wurp2|working> Change Device to SIM then your code should work
May 04 15:07:56 <wurp2|working> the code you pasted earlier, not the code with the gsm.org.free...
May 04 15:08:23 <wurp2|working> See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus
May 04 15:14:49 <skamster> mmh, doesn't work.. access is denied
May 04 15:15:14 <skamster> and it's had a error name.. strange thing
May 04 15:15:36 <wurp2|working> You can view SMSes through the normal program?
May 04 15:16:36 <skamster> no, this is always crashing, but i think, it's another error
May 04 15:16:42 <skamster> with mdbus it's possible
May 04 15:16:58 <wurp2|working> btw, going afk to a meeting in 15 minutes
May 04 15:17:52 <skamster> mmh, i found a example on openmoko.org
May 04 15:18:05 <skamster> looks not like mine, maybe it work.. :)
May 04 15:18:51 <selke> how long can your openmoko run til the battery is empty?
May 04 15:19:40 <skamster> one - two days
May 04 15:19:42 <selke> mine just runs 6 hours... i thought that it could run 2 days or so...
May 04 15:19:53 <selke> what's wrong with mine?
May 04 15:20:11 <selke> it's just 4 days old
May 04 15:20:12 <skamster> which distro you use?
May 04 15:20:14 <selke> shr
May 04 15:20:20 <skamster> latest version?
May 04 15:20:27 <selke> yap shr-testing
May 04 15:20:31 <skamster> with suspend?
May 04 15:20:39 <skamster> i think, suspend is important
May 04 15:21:01 <skamster> without this, 6 hours are a good time :)
May 04 15:21:09 <selke> okay
May 04 15:21:13 <Zorkman> surely 6 hours is very good
May 04 15:21:17 <skamster> (one version doesn't go to suspend)
May 04 15:21:55 <selke> if i run tangogps and go to suspend mode, tangogps won't run anymore, will it?
May 04 15:22:09 <Zorkman> nope, it won't
May 04 15:22:14 <selke> okay
May 04 15:22:33 <selke> but everyone can call me and i can also receive sms?
May 04 15:22:36 <skamster> yes
May 04 15:22:37 <Zorkman> yes
May 04 15:22:49 <selke> okay nice
May 04 15:22:57 <selke> openmoko is really cool :D
May 04 15:23:17 <selke> a bit buggy, but that was clear
May 04 15:24:01 <selke> is it possible to make shortcuts with motion gestures? and if, how i create those shortcuts?
May 04 15:24:27 <skamster> mmh, someone had this idea
May 04 15:24:29 <SpeedEvil> not yet
May 04 15:24:44 <skamster> are you in the mailinglist?
May 04 15:24:51 <selke> okay what else can i do with motion gestures?
May 04 15:24:56 <skamster> mokomaze
May 04 15:24:59 <SpeedEvil> essentially nothing
May 04 15:25:05 <SpeedEvil> a game or two
May 04 15:25:08 <skamster> you could play games
May 04 15:25:10 <selke> yeah i subscribed, but i don't read everything
May 04 15:25:19 <selke> okay and also rotate my desk :D
May 04 15:25:31 <skamster> http://www.opkg.org/package_121.html
May 04 15:25:48 <Zorkman> selke: remoko was also nice, you could also use gestures, but i don't think that is updated for FSO-based distros
May 04 15:26:09 <selke> thanks for the link
May 04 15:26:13 <skamster> np
May 04 15:26:25 <skamster> opkg.org is a good site to explore packages :)
May 04 15:26:44 <skamster> (if you don't know it until yet..)
May 04 15:26:44 <selke> is there also an api for that gestures in python?
May 04 15:27:17 <selke> c would be also okay
May 04 15:27:37 <skamster> i think you could retrive all the gesture-signals over dbus
May 04 15:27:41 <skamster> with fso
May 04 15:27:45 <selke> okay
May 04 15:28:21 <skamster> try mdbus -s to explore that
May 04 15:28:21 <skamster> ;)
May 04 15:28:52 <selke> okay cool
May 04 15:29:25 <selke> hm its really hard to install mokomaze, cause my usb-connection doesn't work (i don't know why) so i must type it on the touchscreen-keyboard^^
May 04 15:29:56 <skamster> do you use linux?
May 04 15:30:02 <selke> yeah ubuntu
May 04 15:30:07 <selke> the connection also worked fine
May 04 15:30:19 <selke> but after i flashed new kernels
May 04 15:30:26 <skamster> also the internet-connection?
May 04 15:30:35 <selke> yeah over wlan
May 04 15:30:36 <skamster> or couldn't you connect to the phone?
May 04 15:30:46 <skamster> yeah, but from the pc..
May 04 15:30:54 <selke> i could, but now there is now usb0 device on my pc
May 04 15:31:10 <selke> and i don't know how to fix this
May 04 15:31:19 <skamster> ah
May 04 15:31:22 <skamster> try eth1
May 04 15:31:27 <Zorkman> Selke: it's ethx nox
May 04 15:31:27 <skamster> or eth2
May 04 15:31:40 <selke> there is just eth0 and that's my ethernet-connection i think
May 04 15:31:44 <dos1> selke: typing on illume keyboard is hard?
May 04 15:31:54 <dos1> i'm programming in python on train with illume keyboard :P
May 04 15:32:06 <skamster> wow :D
May 04 15:32:20 <selke> dos1, well its harder as typing on my hardware-keyboard
May 04 15:32:26 <dos1> selke: of course ;)
May 04 15:32:35 <selke> (as or than? [english is not my native language :D])
May 04 15:33:05 <selke> is illume keyboard the default terminal keyboard?
May 04 15:33:07 <dos1> i think than
May 04 15:33:15 <dos1> but english is not my native language too ;)
May 04 15:33:22 <selke> dos1, okay :D
May 04 15:33:23 <dos1> selke: in which distro?
May 04 15:33:27 <selke> shr
May 04 15:33:38 <dos1> selke: yes, it is
May 04 15:33:48 <selke> okay
May 04 15:34:11 <skamster> yiiiiiiiiiihaaaa, my first connection with dbus in python works
May 04 15:34:11 <skamster> :d
May 04 15:34:13 <selke> i'm afraid of the day where i'll lost my touchpen^^
May 04 15:34:18 <selke> nice :D
May 04 15:34:41 <skamster> dos1, do you know a method to read the content from a retrived sms?
May 04 15:34:46 <skamster> yeah, realy
May 04 15:34:57 <skamster> i was try this the last half our
May 04 15:34:59 <skamster> :)
May 04 15:37:53 <skamster> does someone know, how i could read the informations from a sms-object?
May 04 15:37:57 <skamster> in python?
May 04 15:38:22 <dos1> skamster: like array?
May 04 15:38:43 <mirko-paroli> dos1: I think it is the dict the framework sends back
May 04 15:39:25 <mirko-paroli> skamster: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.html;hb=HEAD#RetrieveMessage
May 04 15:39:46 <dos1> mirko-paroli: yep. so "for (field, value) in message" should work?
May 04 15:40:22 <mirko-paroli> I guess sth like that, I usually take the slower approach obj[attr]
May 04 15:40:28 <mirko-paroli> but both should be working
May 04 15:42:07 <dos1> skamster: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/pim.py - if you want to work on pim, that can be useful ;)
May 04 15:42:26 <dos1> in few minutes i will update it with Update() support ;)
May 04 15:45:09 <selke> mokomaze is really nice :D
May 04 15:48:59 <skamster> it's a array?
May 04 15:49:19 <skamster> i try print(sms['contents'])
May 04 15:49:34 <skamster> because i retrive just one message
May 04 15:49:39 <skamster> but it doesn't work.. :(
May 04 15:53:46 <skamster> ah, it works
May 04 15:53:46 <skamster> :)
May 04 16:00:42 <selke> why i can't set a ssh connection over my wlan-network to openmoko? is ssh just possible over the usb-connection?
May 04 16:01:07 <dos1> selke: edit /etc/default/dropbear
May 04 16:01:20 <selke> okay thanks
May 04 16:01:26 <dos1> it allows connection only by usb as default
May 04 16:01:59 <Zorkman> selke: look at the shr tweaks page
May 04 16:02:07 <Zorkman> (just google 'shr tweaksé')
May 04 16:02:43 <selke> ah another question, it's okay to set a root-password or will there be any errors?
May 04 16:02:59 <selke> (omg i think my english is really bad atm sorry^^)
May 04 16:03:33 <dos1> it's ok
May 04 16:07:51 <Weiss> selke: in fact, you SHOULD.. for a fairly obvious reason :)
May 04 16:08:25 <selke> yap :D
May 04 16:08:35 <skamster> ehm, what must i do, to add 2 widgets to a gtk-window?
May 04 16:08:44 <selke> i just had some fears how the startup then will work
May 04 16:08:46 <skamster> also in python
May 04 16:08:47 <skamster> :)
May 04 16:08:56 <dos1> skamster: why gtk?
May 04 16:09:39 <skamster> mmh, i'm learning python now, and if i could programm it python with gtk, i could use it everywhere
May 04 16:09:49 <skamster> also on the host, windows, mac, etc
May 04 16:09:59 <skamster> etk couldn't this, i think?
May 04 16:10:11 <dos1> no etk
May 04 16:10:16 <dos1> elementary ;)
May 04 16:10:27 <dos1> and it could i think
May 04 16:11:32 <skamster> mmh.. i learn a little bit in gtk.. so maybe i look in elementary later :)
May 04 16:11:57 <skamster> but it's should be possible to add more than one widget, i think?
May 04 16:12:04 <skamster> it always say, it isn't
May 04 16:12:05 <skamster> :s
May 04 16:12:29 <skamster> GtkWarning: Attempting to add a widget with type GtkLabel to a GtkWindow, but as a GtkBin subclass a GtkWindow can only contain one widget at a time; it already contains a widget of type GtkLabel
May 04 16:12:29 <skamster>   window.add(text)
May 04 16:12:39 <dos1> skamster: use boxes
May 04 16:15:59 <skamster> :D
May 04 16:16:00 <skamster> thx
May 04 16:18:48 <Zorkman> anyone knows where to get blueslee's keyboard: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a0b7812b479d5cb7c9732db9e84a0a2c.png?
May 04 16:52:44 <qknight> 18:51 < qknight> i have an error after opkg upgrade
May 04 16:52:44 <qknight> 18:52 < qknight> This is very bad. Enlightenment SEGV'd
May 04 16:52:44 <qknight> 18:52 < qknight> now i can F1 recover and F2 Exit
May 04 16:52:44 <qknight> 18:52 < qknight> both don't do much
May 04 16:54:36 <qknight> where to start?
May 04 16:54:40 <qknight> i removed the ~/.e folder
May 04 16:54:47 <qknight> but it didn't change anything
May 04 16:54:52 <qknight> the last time this made it work
May 04 16:55:00 <qknight> i had a problem with a packet on the upgrade
May 04 16:55:55 <qknight>  * ERROR: The following packages conflict with e-wm-menu-shr:                                                                                            
May 04 16:55:56 <qknight>          *  e-wm-menu *    
May 04 17:04:06 <qknight> where would i find the place to hook into e17 debugging?
May 04 17:04:14 <qknight> what program did seg'V?
May 04 17:18:00 <qknight> ah ok
May 04 17:18:01 <qknight> xinit /etc/X11/Xsession -- /usr/bin/Xglamo :0 -br -pn -dpi 285 -screen 480x640x16 -mouse tslib -hide-cursor -root-ppm /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash-vga.ppm vt1
May 04 17:18:05 <qknight> ps aux is my friend
May 04 17:18:11 <wurp2|working> Zorkman: I don't know, but bluetooth keyboards aren't working for me in shr for some time :-(
May 04 17:18:29 <qknight> http://rafb.net/p/1vNlZ634.html
May 04 17:25:17 <ChristW> Good evening!
May 04 17:26:23 <ChristW> Does anyone know if flite works in FSO, and if so, how to use it? When I run it, all it says is 'failed to open audio device /dev/dsp'. I googled a bit, and found a way to talk to ALSA, but I am unsure if flite knows how to read .festivalrc...
May 04 17:30:56 <qknight> where are the shr developers?
May 04 17:31:00 <qknight> are they on irc?
May 04 17:31:22 <qknight> it seems a needed packet dependency is not available anymore: opkg -force-reinstall install libevas-saver-png does not work since the packet is missing in the repository
May 04 17:32:01 <lambda_> openmoko-cdevel is your best bet qknight 
May 04 17:32:09 <Heinervdm> qknight: i thing the package is renamed
May 04 17:32:19 <Heinervdm> evas-saver-png without lib
May 04 17:35:10 <qknight> ok
May 04 17:35:33 <qknight> still it does not work (i've reinsalled that already) but even using -force-reinstall didn't help
May 04 17:42:36 <qknight> is there something like
May 04 17:42:39 <qknight> check-deps
May 04 17:43:00 <qknight> after i remove arbitrary packets (!system boot relevant ones)
May 04 17:43:03 <khiraly1> hi
May 04 17:44:52 <khiraly1> I just received my neo freerunner (5 minutes ago), I unpacked, and plugged in the wall charger. The question is, how can I type / into the terminal under 2007.x (the default distro)
May 04 17:45:44 <Defiant> khiraly1: iirc I also failed there...jjust upgrade
May 04 17:45:50 <dos1> khiraly1: change distro
May 04 17:46:01 <dos1> khiraly1: default image is baaaaaaaad
May 04 17:46:02 <qknight> khiraly1: and install qi (boots much faster here)
May 04 17:46:25 <dos1> 2007.2 was good... but not in default image ;x
May 04 17:46:47 <DocScrutinizer> bah, much can be no more than 5sec speedup
May 04 17:47:00 <khiraly1> ok. Just I suppose I need to set up usb networking for be able to upgrade
May 04 17:47:11 <Defiant> nope
May 04 17:47:14 <khiraly1> but almost every command requires / in terminal
May 04 17:47:20 <Defiant> khiraly1: read the wiki about flashing
May 04 17:47:35 <khiraly1> Defiant: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner
May 04 17:48:10 <Defiant> khiraly1: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner
May 04 17:48:18 <khiraly1> thisok
May 04 17:48:20 <khiraly1> ok
May 04 17:48:35 <khiraly1> thank you. I'll come back, when I finished reading
May 04 17:48:52 <Defiant> Is that a threat? :P
May 04 17:49:27 <emmentaler> is there a way to get /dev/dsp working?
May 04 17:49:37 <qknight> emmentaler: with alsa dsp emulation maybe
May 04 17:49:41 <khiraly1> by the way, the freerunner is beautiful in real life. (the rubber on the plastic housing is absolutely lovely)
May 04 17:49:43 <emmentaler> I loaded snd-*-oss modules but this wont work
May 04 17:49:47 <qknight> Defiant: just add some more text and links to the wiki
May 04 17:50:10 <khiraly1> from images it was ugly as hell... But in real life, its really shiny
May 04 17:50:10 <DocScrutinizer> emmentaler: best avoid using dsp
May 04 17:50:40 <emmentaler> DocScrutinizer, yes .. but the documentation of ALSA is a pain..
May 04 17:50:56 <DocScrutinizer> ack
May 04 17:51:40 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless there's no other soundcard driver. all other audio is just layers between alsa and app
May 04 17:52:02 <emmentaler> the point is, that my stuff already works with  dsp.. alsa==more work
May 04 17:52:03 <DocScrutinizer> and OSS aka /dev/dsp is a really nasty one
May 04 17:52:26 <qknight> yepee
May 04 17:52:27 <qknight> fixed
May 04 17:52:51 <emmentaler> sigh.. i already thought that i have to change this once
May 04 17:52:59 <DocScrutinizer> emmentaler: the point is: with dsp it's your stuff that's the only one that works then. dsp isn't muxing
May 04 17:52:59 <qknight> i just removed all packets named something like evas which didn't reinstall correctly (since not in any repo)
May 04 17:53:59 <emmentaler> jop, but i dont need something else if my app is running .. usually i dont phone and listen to mp3s 
May 04 17:55:15 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, great! :-( and when a call comes in, no ringtone playback, rather it will segfault or do other nasty things
May 04 17:55:36 <DocScrutinizer> you might use `aoss`
May 04 17:55:55 <DocScrutinizer> but honestly it's deprecated as well
May 04 17:56:14 <qknight> gps not found
May 04 17:56:22 <DocScrutinizer> Neo audio apps should use generic alsa
May 04 17:56:22 <qknight> somehow the updated updated my gps away
May 04 17:56:24 <qknight> how to fix that?
May 04 17:57:00 <emmentaler> my app is a call application that works with csd calls .. but there is a thing that i did not think about
May 04 17:57:12 <emmentaler> what if a csd call is active and a regular voice call comes in .. 
May 04 17:57:14 <emmentaler> hmm..
May 04 17:57:15 <lambda> according this tuto http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/xorg-glamo.txt i try to get my xf86-video-glamo driver on debian but the compil failed
May 04 17:57:17 <khiraly1> this is the right Qi image? http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu
May 04 17:57:42 <lambda> is there a more trivial way to install xf86-video-glamo?
May 04 17:58:07 <qknight> khiraly1: for gta 02 i have qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu
May 04 17:58:30 <khiraly1> qknight: thanks. So it is the right one
May 04 17:59:49 <sypher7> so what kind of battery life are people getting these days? last i heard it was about a day or so. i know it depends on the distro/software/usage but i'm just curious what people's experiences are
May 04 18:00:25 <dos1> with shr-unstable i'm getting 1,5 day with normal usage
May 04 18:00:29 <dos1> s/1,5/1.5/
May 04 18:00:30 <apt> dos1 meant: with shr-unstable i'm getting 1.5 day with normal usage
May 04 18:00:31 <DocScrutinizer> ~60h
May 04 18:00:44 <sypher7> fancy
May 04 18:00:50 <dos1> s/normal/mine normal/
May 04 18:00:50 <dos1> ;)
May 04 18:00:50 <apt> dos1 meant: with shr-unstable i'm getting 1,5 day with mine normal usage
May 04 18:01:24 <sypher7> shr-unstable seems to be pretty popular
May 04 18:02:29 <dos1> sypher7: looks like. i'm developer, so i have to use unstable to develop new things ;)
May 04 18:02:49 <dos1> sypher7: but at the moment i think -unstable and -testing are equal
May 04 18:03:17 <sypher7> yeah i read something recently saying unstable was merged up to testing
May 04 18:04:03 <sypher7> i'll probably try out a few different distros but i may settle on shr-unstable if i start messing with dev
May 04 18:05:27 <sypher7> i'm still waiting for UPS to deliver my phone though, so i'm mulling over options :-P
May 04 18:10:56 <lindi-> lambda: how does it fail? I have a xf86-video-glamo package
May 04 18:12:27 <khiraly1> hmm. When in u-boot menu (NAND) does the neo freerunner charges?
May 04 18:12:51 <khiraly1> because, maybe I was impatient, and didnt charged full my freerunner. And so, I cant switch on anymore
May 04 18:16:47 <khiraly1> nevermind. It seems u-boot (NAND) switched off
May 04 18:17:40 <Zorkman> khiraly1: it always switches off after one minut withouth keypresses, unles you edit it's variables
May 04 18:18:14 <khiraly1> but when switched off, I should disconnect from usb immediatly because gta02 cant be charged when switched off
May 04 18:18:19 <khiraly1> (I read on wiki)
May 04 18:18:37 <max_posedon> khiraly1, wiki contains information
May 04 18:18:46 <max_posedon> how to boot neo without battery at all
May 04 18:19:00 <khiraly1> max_posedon: it just turned off. The battery is fine
May 04 18:19:13 <dos1> khiraly1: WTF?
May 04 18:19:23 <dos1> gta02 can be charged when switched off
May 04 18:19:59 <mjr> yes, just not very fast. So, leave it 
,50
May 04 18:19:59 <max_posedon> really? or just with *very slow* charge speed?
May 04 18:20:28 <max_posedon> I suggest boot without battery
May 04 18:20:38 <dos1> max_posedon: it can with any charge speed.
May 04 18:20:41 <mjr> leave it charging for a good while. Perhaps after removing the battery for a while to make sure it's all dead.
May 04 18:20:44 <mjr> can it?
May 04 18:20:49 <dos1> max_posedon: but it only *CAN*
May 04 18:20:49 <dos1> ;D
May 04 18:20:55 <max_posedon> )
May 04 18:21:08 <mjr> boot without battery may be a good idea as well
May 04 18:21:48 <khiraly1> Neo FreeRunner does NOT charge when powered off, so be sure to turn it on and allow it to boot all the way to the GUI (Graphical User Interface). 
May 04 18:21:53 <khiraly1> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner
May 04 18:21:59 <khiraly1> at the middle
May 04 18:22:23 <qknight> why can't i use "kill -9 pid' on the openmoko?
May 04 18:22:28 <qknight> it never kills the pid as on my gentoo box
May 04 18:22:38 <khiraly1> I remembered as "cant be charged". my mistake
May 04 18:22:50 <lambda> lindi-, src/Makefile.am:27: Libtool library used but `LIBTOOL' is undefined
May 04 18:22:50 <lambda> 
May 04 18:23:25 <sypher7> did you try a "kill -15 pid" "kill -1 pid" and "kill -2 pid" first? those will normally quit stuff cleaner than a kill -9
May 04 18:23:36 <lindi-> lambda: you forgot dependencies?
May 04 18:23:43 <sypher7> if a proc is stuck in I/O for something that will block a -9 sometimes
May 04 18:23:51 <qknight> sypher7: no i didn't
May 04 18:24:03 <lindi-> lambda: use 'deb-src http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/debian destructive main' and apt-get --build source xf86-video-glamo
May 04 18:24:16 <lambda> :-)
May 04 18:24:19 <sypher7> qknight: maybe give that a shot. worth a try
May 04 18:24:27 <qknight> tried all
May 04 18:24:30 <qknight> none worked
May 04 18:24:38 <qknight> i crashed my openmkoko with that upgrade
May 04 18:24:39 <qknight> sigh
May 04 18:24:42 <qknight> how much i hate that
May 04 18:24:52 <qknight> suspend menu is broken
May 04 18:24:59 <lambda> destructive? such a beautiful name for such a beautiful repository, thx man
May 04 18:25:00 <qknight> tangogps won't work anymore
May 04 18:26:39 <max_posedon> qknight, good time to start send patches
May 04 18:27:20 <qknight> i think that opkg is broken in concept
May 04 18:27:25 <qknight> so i would have to fix that first
May 04 18:27:59 <khiraly1> ok. Need a bit assistance here
May 04 18:28:08 <khiraly1> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/
May 04 18:28:26 <khiraly1> the fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz   is for the sD card
May 04 18:28:37 <khiraly1> and .jffs2 for the NAND ?
May 04 18:29:43 <max_posedon> qknight, if you think that opkg broken in concept
May 04 18:29:46 <max_posedon> (btw I agree)
May 04 18:30:04 <max_posedon> you can begin port fso/shr to your favorite distro
May 04 18:40:07 <skamster> ehm.. does someone know, how i could do something, when the close-button is pressed in shr?
May 04 18:40:15 <skamster> (in python)
May 04 18:41:08 <skamster> i want to close the programm then, because it's just kill the gui
May 04 18:41:11 <skamster> not the programm
May 04 18:47:33 <qknight> what can cause a crash?
May 04 18:47:45 <qknight> my shr sometimes just crases and then the aux light blinks
May 04 18:48:20 <qknight> skamster: what exactly?
May 04 18:48:28 <skamster> i had it
May 04 18:48:31 <qknight> skamster: i would guess using that X button closes the program
May 04 18:48:33 <DocMobilizer> kernel panic
May 04 18:48:36 <skamster> nothing difficult
May 04 18:48:46 <skamster> no, it's own code
May 04 18:48:47 <qknight> DocMobilizer: so aux blinking == kernel panic?
May 04 18:48:51 <skamster> the x close the gui
May 04 18:48:56 <skamster> but not the whole code
May 04 18:48:57 <skamster> :)
May 04 18:49:16 <DocMobilizer> non-matching kernel and modules?
May 04 18:49:34 <qknight> mabe
May 04 18:49:35 <qknight> maybe
May 04 18:49:45 <qknight> i don't know since i didn't put it together
May 04 18:50:01 <PaulFertser> qknight: yes, blinking aux == kernel panic
May 04 18:50:28 <Heinervdm> skamster: http://docs.python.org/library/signal.html
May 04 18:51:02 <PaulFertser> qknight: is it reproducible for you? You might be interested in the ramconsole patch that enables everybody to capture panic message without dboard.
May 04 18:53:07 <qknight> PaulFertser: it happens when i do a lot of cpu usage
May 04 18:53:17 <qknight> PaulFertser: like this mass reinstallation
May 04 18:53:42 <qknight> PaulFertser: but a different issue buggs me even more
May 04 18:53:46 <PaulFertser> qknight: well, it'd be interesting to see the crash message
May 04 18:54:09 <PaulFertser> qknight: kernel issue?
May 04 18:56:09 <DocMobilizer> (blinking) except when uboot is detecting low bat and switches to charge bat only mode
May 04 18:56:37 <DocMobilizer> this blinking different freq tho
May 04 18:58:06 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r86b72dd8f52f 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_sqlite_contacts.py pimd_contacts.py): opimd: SQLite_Contacts: implement adding new fields to contact on Update()
May 04 18:59:14 <qknight> PaulFertser: sorry i really don't know
May 04 18:59:23 <qknight> PaulFertser: how to set this crash message thing up?
May 04 19:10:40 <qknight> PaulFertser: for i in `cat packet_list`; do opkg -force-reinstall install $i; done
May 04 19:10:47 <qknight> PaulFertser: in this list i have all currently installed packets
May 04 19:10:50 * dos1 tests
May 04 19:10:59 <dos1> s/tests/lulz/
May 04 19:11:55 <PaulFertser> qknight: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/cgi-bin/openmoko-bugs.py?q=ramconsole
May 04 19:19:02 <qknight> how to umount /mnt/card
May 04 19:19:08 <qknight> i can't find any reference to it
May 04 19:19:49 <alephnull> /media/card
May 04 19:20:19 <qknight> /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type ext3 (ro,errors=continue,data=ordered)
May 04 19:20:24 <qknight> i meant /media/card
May 04 19:20:26 <qknight> still i get
May 04 19:20:37 <qknight> umount: /media/card: device is busy
May 04 19:20:37 <qknight> umount: /media/card: device is busy
May 04 19:22:56 <qknight> i should probably create a ext3 instead of ext2 fs on /mnt/card
May 04 19:22:59 <qknight> /media/card
May 04 19:23:14 <qknight> i got errors on this the second time
May 04 19:23:27 <qknight> this time the osm dir where i store my Maps is not there anymore
May 04 19:23:39 <qknight> and tangoGPS seems to search for every single tile ...
May 04 19:24:03 <spydon> how do I get sd card to work on android?
May 04 19:24:57 <lindi-> qknight: sudo lsof | grep /media
May 04 19:25:22 <qknight> sudo? i'm alredy root ;-)
May 04 19:25:50 <qknight> lindi-: but i tried that already and i didn't find anything
May 04 19:25:53 <qknight> thanks anyway ;-)
May 04 19:26:09 <qknight> spydon: boot from sd or use sd to store data?
May 04 19:26:12 <lindi-> qknight: cat /proc/mounts
May 04 19:26:43 <spydon> qknight, to store data
May 04 19:26:48 <skamster> hey peobles, thanks for the tipps with python :) this woudn't be created without you! http://www.opkg.org/package_214.html
May 04 19:26:50 <skamster> :)
May 04 19:27:40 <spydon> nice skamster 
May 04 19:28:04 <skamster> thx :)
May 04 19:30:47 <Zorkman> skamster: just saw your app on opkg :)
May 04 19:31:00 <alephnull> spydon: Doesn't android need the sdacrd partitioned in a particular way ? /data is on the sdcard, I thought.
May 04 19:31:07 <skamster> :D
May 04 19:31:19 <skamster> it was just codeable cause this chat :)
May 04 19:31:28 <skamster> hope, it's useable
May 04 19:31:34 <spydon> alephnull, I have no idea :S
May 04 19:32:00 <alephnull> spydon: Check the wiki.
May 04 19:32:40 <spydon> alephnull, openmoko wiki or android wiki?
May 04 19:33:57 <alephnull> spydon: Either, both. It won't be a waste if you have no idea.
May 04 19:34:21 <spydon> alephnull, yeag but where did you read it? :P
May 04 19:34:24 <spydon> yeah*
May 04 19:34:48 <alephnull> I can't recall.
May 04 19:36:05 <khiraly1> did somebody tried the paroli image?
May 04 19:36:30 <khiraly1> how can I shut down the phone?
May 04 19:36:46 <khiraly1> (completely). Beside to tack off the battery
May 04 19:37:26 <khiraly1> and can I have a terminal?
May 04 19:42:19 <badcloud> hey all
May 04 19:43:07 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: yes, start it via ssh
May 04 19:43:22 <khiraly1> oh
May 04 19:43:35 <badcloud> anyone available to help me? can't seem to get the wifi or usb network to work
May 04 19:43:42 <badcloud> usb networking is ok
May 04 19:43:59 <badcloud> latest shr unstable
May 04 19:45:21 <badcloud> running ubuntu 9
May 04 19:45:25 <spydon> Does the koolu android image even support sd-cards?
May 04 19:46:04 <khiraly1> ok. I'll try shr first. This paroli image needs some polishing (like audio feedback, and sometime the buttons does not gets pressed)
May 04 19:46:10 <khiraly1> but the dialer is absolutely awesome
May 04 19:47:13 <dos1> khiraly1: i don't think it's good time to test shr ;)
May 04 19:47:19 <dos1> images like to be broken now
May 04 19:47:55 <badcloud> dos1, I second that :)
May 04 19:48:13 <dos1> but i think in few days it will be stabilized
May 04 19:48:38 <qknight> khiraly1: updates are broken here as well ;P
May 04 19:49:26 <mwester> It's all broken right now!   That's a good thing; it makes it easier to put it back together again.
May 04 19:49:43 <mwester> dos1 is fixing it all.
May 04 19:49:52 <qknight> yea cool
May 04 19:50:04 <qknight> could he fix my current openmoko desaster asw ell?
May 04 19:50:12 <mwester> I'm certain he can!
May 04 19:50:18 <mwester> Right dos1?
May 04 19:50:21 <khiraly1> I downloaded these:
May 04 19:50:21 <qknight> dos1: huhu
May 04 19:50:46 <khiraly1> openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090502-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
May 04 19:50:46 <khiraly1> uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.bin
May 04 19:50:55 * dos1 hides
May 04 19:50:55 <khiraly1> is it known to be broken?
May 04 19:51:38 <khiraly1> is there somewhere an archive to try a bit older image?
May 04 19:54:45 <DocMobilizer> khiraly1: try people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr
May 04 19:55:33 <max_posedon> every openmoko developer should have his own distro!
May 04 19:55:48 <DocMobilizer> hehe
May 04 19:56:19 <max_posedon> why in this case gentoo isn't main openmoko disto?)
May 04 19:56:37 * DocMobilizer still waiting for Ainulindales special jr-edition ;)
May 04 19:57:15 <max_posedon> you mean ncurses-based?)
May 04 19:57:20 <DocMobilizer> gentoo is err.. too err... gen
May 04 19:57:50 <sypher7> spydon: i think http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android_on_Freerunner is what you're looking for
May 04 19:58:19 <max_posedon> DocMobilizer, it is near ok now
May 04 19:59:02 <spydon> sypher7, aah thx, I didn't see that thing in the bottom with sd-cards
May 04 20:02:13 <badcloud> khiraly1, I think 8th of Feb worked the smoothest for me
May 04 20:02:25 <badcloud> but I'm not sure how it will run with the latest kernel
May 04 20:03:59 <DocMobilizer> 2009-04-16 is quite useable
May 04 20:04:57 <DocMobilizer> it's what i'm using this very moment
May 04 20:05:16 <DocMobilizer> to send these words
May 04 20:05:18 <emmentaler> how can i open a call using something like minicom?
May 04 20:05:32 <emmentaler> i mean, which device should I use with minicom?
May 04 20:05:46 <DocMobilizer> mickeyterm
May 04 20:05:51 <DocMobilizer> ATA
May 04 20:05:54 <badcloud> DocMobilizer, April 16th
May 04 20:05:58 <badcloud> isn't there
May 04 20:06:21 <DocMobilizer> huh
May 04 20:06:25 <DocMobilizer> ?
May 04 20:06:32 <badcloud> unstable?
May 04 20:06:51 <DocMobilizer> testing
May 04 20:06:57 <badcloud> ah, testing
May 04 20:07:13 <DocMobilizer> see joerg/shr
May 04 20:07:44 <badcloud> what's the domain?
May 04 20:07:47 <emmentaler> thanx.. mickeyterm was exactly what i was looking for
May 04 20:09:00 <DocMobilizer> emmentaler: still you need to 'alsactl restore -f bla/blub/gsmhandset.state'
May 04 20:09:13 <DocMobilizer> otherwise no audio
May 04 20:09:30 <badcloud> nm, found it
May 04 20:09:59 <DocMobilizer> badcloud: read scrollback
May 04 20:10:09 <badcloud> just did
May 04 20:10:12 <badcloud> :)
May 04 20:11:02 <badcloud> DocMobilizer, 'alsactl restore -f bla/blub/gsmhandset.state' <---- does that refer to the 14.4 image?
May 04 20:11:28 <DocMobilizer> haha
May 04 20:12:24 <badcloud> sewiously tho
May 04 20:13:28 <DocMobilizer> its true for all distros
May 04 20:13:49 <emmentaler> ok..  it was just a test to issue a csd call .. i do not really want to call that way
May 04 20:13:58 <DocMobilizer> s/bla/\/usr/
May 04 20:15:26 <badcloud> well, that is the default alsactl setting, isn't it?
May 04 20:16:04 <DocMobilizer> s/blob/share
May 04 20:16:22 <DocMobilizer> depends, usually not
May 04 20:16:37 <badcloud> '/usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/' I believe
May 04 20:16:44 <badcloud> at least in shr
May 04 20:16:47 <DocMobilizer> yup
May 04 20:16:56 <DocMobilizer> lazy here
May 04 20:17:03 <badcloud> heehee
May 04 20:17:04 <DocMobilizer> tiny kbd
May 04 20:17:47 <badcloud> I just know it by heart after making two desktop mini apps to go from stereoout.state to headset.state and vice versa
May 04 20:18:06 <DocMobilizer> usually stereoout default
May 04 20:18:27 <badcloud> so in which cases do you need gsmhandset?
May 04 20:18:39 <badcloud> stupid ques, I know
May 04 20:18:42 <DocMobilizer> phonecall
May 04 20:18:52 <badcloud> but isn't that enabled on startup?
May 04 20:19:08 <DocMobilizer> nope
May 04 20:19:12 <badcloud> ?
May 04 20:19:15 <badcloud> why the hell not???
May 04 20:19:16 <DocMobilizer> stereoout
May 04 20:19:45 <DocMobilizer> tsclick, ringtone.....
May 04 20:19:59 <badcloud> I was using the latest shr unstable
May 04 20:20:09 <badcloud> using only stereoout
May 04 20:20:20 <badcloud> and I could make phonecalls just fine
May 04 20:20:27 <badcloud> using the handset
May 04 20:20:33 <badcloud> no speakerphone
May 04 20:20:39 <DocMobilizer> honestly theres NO default
May 04 20:20:46 <badcloud> I figuree
May 04 20:20:46 <badcloud> d
May 04 20:20:49 <badcloud> *figured
May 04 20:20:59 <badcloud> but if stereoout is enabled
May 04 20:21:16 <badcloud> how do you explain being able to make phone calls using the handset
May 04 20:21:17 <badcloud> ?
May 04 20:21:29 <DocMobilizer> huh
May 04 20:21:48 <badcloud> you said that gsmhandset needs to be enabled to make phonecalls
May 04 20:22:02 <DocMobilizer> yup
May 04 20:22:05 <dos1> badcloud: frameworkd changes audio states automatically
May 04 20:22:12 <badcloud> aaaaah
May 04 20:22:22 <DocMobilizer> xactly
May 04 20:22:37 <badcloud> is that something that works ok in 14.4.09?
May 04 20:22:56 <DocMobilizer> not tho when ATA on mickeyterm
May 04 20:23:04 <badcloud> ata?
May 04 20:23:48 <DocMobilizer> read backscroll
May 04 20:24:28 <badcloud> couldn't put the pieces together from the conversation
May 04 20:24:31 <badcloud> but no bother
May 04 20:24:43 <badcloud> I'll just test and report
May 04 20:24:58 <badcloud> I'm not the best when it comes to the technical stuff
May 04 20:25:12 <badcloud> or rather, I'm no good at the tech stuff
May 04 20:46:54 <khiraly1> hmm
May 04 20:46:58 <khiraly1> how to switch off?
May 04 20:47:03 <lambda> lindi-, i get the xf86-video-glamo driver working with xserver-xorg-core                    2:1.6.1-1 
May 04 20:47:26 <lambda> and the guidelines on your website
May 04 20:47:46 <lambda> that seems much more responsive
May 04 20:47:53 <lindi-> lambda: good
May 04 20:48:08 <lambda> huomenta
May 04 20:48:15 <lambda> thank you
May 04 20:55:45 <badcloud> anyone have the binaries for the nes/snes emulators rafael made?
May 04 20:58:06 <czaks> hi, I have one question: I've recently bought a freerunner. everything seems to be ok, but the wifi module drives me mad - it can connect only once per reboot (kernel: 2.6.29-rc3, SHR unstable). i've tried reloading the module, but it doesn't work either. is there any method to make it connect, then?
May 04 21:02:58 <PaulFertser> czaks: how unloading doesn't work? Does it oops?
May 04 21:03:13 <czaks> PaulFertser, it doesn't help
May 04 21:03:20 <PaulFertser> czaks: does it connect after the first suspend/resume?
May 04 21:03:40 <czaks> yes, but only if I didn't connect previously
May 04 21:04:14 <PaulFertser> czaks: suspend/resume should be fully equivalent to reloading a module...
May 04 21:04:36 <SpeedEvil> hgave you trie with more than one AP?
May 04 21:04:49 <czaks> SpeedEvil, no, at the moment I can reach only one AP
May 04 21:05:55 <Zorkman> czaks: which distro do you use?
May 04 21:06:07 <czaks> SHR, as I've mentioned earlier :p
May 04 21:06:12 <Zorkman> czaks: if you use shr, try toggling the wifi sliders in settings
May 04 21:06:13 <czaks> unstable
May 04 21:06:28 <czaks> Zorkman, tried, still it doesn't work
May 04 21:06:30 <Zorkman> i can connect as many times as i want, IF i first turn the wifi device off
May 04 21:06:36 <Zorkman> then i'm out of ideas :p
May 04 21:07:03 <czaks> so, it isn't the known issue then? :p
May 04 21:07:51 <PaulFertser> czaks: absolutely unknown. Can you make sure you really do reload the driver (by looking at dmesg output)?
May 04 21:08:20 <czaks> PaulFertser, not at the moment, I'll try later
May 04 21:08:39 <max_posedon> funny, in semptember wifi was rock stable for me
May 04 21:09:23 <czaks> hm, maybe wpa_supplicant is the cause?
May 04 21:11:21 <PaulFertser> czaks: have you tried restarting it after reloading the module?
May 04 21:11:50 <czaks> PaulFertser, nope
May 04 21:11:59 <max_posedon> I suggest poweroff/poweron wifi
May 04 21:12:07 <max_posedon> after reloading module
May 04 21:12:23 <czaks> ok, thank you, I'll try that
May 04 21:12:38 <PaulFertser> czaks: for me wpa_supplicant survived suspend/resume with WPA APs. I suggest you restart it just in case.
May 04 21:13:27 <PaulFertser> Actually poweroff/poweron wifi (as implemented in FSO and therefore in SHR Settings) should be fully equivalent to module reloading.
May 04 21:14:21 <czaks> i see. anyway, ar6001 is hard-mac, isn't it?
May 04 21:14:32 <mwester> ar6000 is hard-mac
May 04 21:14:54 <PaulFertser> :(
May 04 21:15:06 <czaks> and monitor mode hasn't been implemented yet?
May 04 21:15:17 <czaks> because I saw some posts on a mailing list
May 04 21:15:32 <czaks> which suggested, that there is a possibility for that
May 04 21:15:48 <PaulFertser> And it looks like it will never be. Atheros seem to refuse to fix even nasty reproducible (they confirmed they could reproduce) firmware-crashed bugs. :(
May 04 21:17:11 <czaks> i see... ar5k is a pretty nice device, on the other hand
May 04 21:18:51 <lambda> hmm...  /etc/init.d/nodm is no longer working
May 04 21:19:21 <lambda> what is a cheap way of launching X at startup please?
May 04 21:21:17 <fredrin> ~seen dave
May 04 21:21:18 <apt> dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 18d 19h 40m 3s ago, saying: 'hahaa'.
May 04 21:21:21 <fredrin> seen dave 
May 04 21:31:21 <mwester> The mokos got dave.
May 04 21:31:38 <khiraly1> [281107.400193] eth1: duplicate address detected!
May 04 21:31:40 <SpeedEvil> He's been kidnapped to work on project B.
May 04 21:31:49 <DocScrutinizer> (hard-mac) nevertheless for most hardmac wifi it's (theoretically at least) possible to write a softmac driver
May 04 21:32:01 <SpeedEvil> OM is solving its funding problems through radical employment methods.
May 04 21:32:09 <khiraly1> hmm, neo got the same networking name as my ethernet card
May 04 21:32:09 <SpeedEvil> Hangon - someone at the door.
May 04 21:32:25 <DocScrutinizer> heheheh
May 04 21:32:34 <DocScrutinizer> famous last words ;DD
May 04 21:33:37 <mjr> so yeah, did someone happen to know about the announced always innovating touch book, spesifically GPU matters and openness thereof?
May 04 21:34:23 <DocScrutinizer> ""hi. My name is peter chang, and these are my brothers bud and arnold. The OM HR wants to talk to you"
May 04 21:34:29 <fredrin> is shr-testing fucked now? 
May 04 21:34:47 <DocScrutinizer> no, but you are if you use it XD
May 04 21:34:55 <mwester> I'm not sure about it's sexual status, but it's not very useful as a phone stack right now.
May 04 21:35:04 <fredrin> is the CEO of openmoko a columbian? 
May 04 21:35:42 <DocScrutinizer> speedevil prolly never seen again ;)
May 04 21:36:28 <czaks> do you know maybe if debian's KDE4 can run on the gta02 without swap?
May 04 21:37:32 <fredrin> DocScrutinizer: fuck
May 04 21:38:21 <khiraly1> re
May 04 21:38:25 <mjr> Ok so yeah, it's using that powervr bastard. Not surprised, but disappointed :I
May 04 21:38:56 <khiraly1> where is the opkg repository? I want to get libsdl-ttf as invidual file
May 04 21:39:06 <khiraly1> like packages.debian.org
May 04 21:40:17 <Toaster`> khiraly1: if it's not linked directly from opkg.org, try your distros repo.
May 04 21:40:30 <khiraly1> yepp, just dont have net on my neo
May 04 21:40:39 <khiraly1> so I want to download via my regular pc
May 04 21:40:47 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: or OM repo: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/experimental/armv4t/
May 04 21:41:01 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: htank you!
May 04 21:41:12 <czaks> khiraly1, did you try to make a masquerade?
May 04 21:41:35 <khiraly1> nope. Its to late. I installed 3 distros, and want mokomaze. Thats it for today;)
May 04 21:41:58 <khiraly1> (my neo just arrived 6 hours ago)
May 04 21:42:29 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: if you don't have any tricky firewall rules, masquerade for moko should be just one command away)
May 04 21:42:32 <czaks> i see. i've got mine for, i think, 3 days
May 04 21:43:40 <czaks> when I make my phone fully usable, I'll probably participate in the development
May 04 21:43:53 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: Im behind a normal wifi router. So my notebook has a 192.168.1.101 address I think
May 04 21:44:01 <PaulFertser> czaks: lol, it might take longer than you think
May 04 21:44:45 <czaks> PaulFertser, i know that :p
May 04 21:44:56 <khiraly1> czaks: paroli looks awesome. Just lacks some audio-feedback, and some button does not have pressed image (cant really see, when pressed). But much more responsible as shr, where I need to wait 5-10 sec for every application
May 04 21:45:48 <khiraly1> and the top bar (the enlightenment one) works like a charm. Animate, big buttons, really good. And under paroli I miss it
May 04 21:46:00 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: and i assume you have your neo connected via usb to the laptop? Then "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.202 -o wlan0 -j MASQUARADE" and "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
May 04 21:46:02 <khiraly1> would be nice to mix shr with paroli. 
May 04 21:46:06 <czaks> i didn't try paroli yet, but shr's phone stack is great
May 04 21:46:30 <czaks> at least for my needs
May 04 21:46:37 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: I'll try it. But you solved my homework (some hours rtfm)
May 04 21:47:11 <czaks> if all i wanted was just a phone, i'd rather have bought the flat motorola one :p 
May 04 21:47:13 <khiraly1> czaks: paroli is much more responsible, bigger fonts. Looks like it is built to be a phone;)
May 04 21:47:43 <khiraly1> czaks: yepp. The best would be install paroli under shr
May 04 21:48:17 <czaks> the best would be that with more packages :p
May 04 21:48:56 <khiraly1> paulfertser: iptables v1.4.1.1: Couldn't load target `MASQUARADE':/lib/xtables/libipt_MASQUARADE.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
May 04 21:49:00 <czaks> i have a need for more generic ones, like (real|tiger)vnc viewer
May 04 21:49:03 <czaks> MASQUERADE*
May 04 21:49:11 <khiraly1> doh
May 04 21:49:13 <khiraly1> thx
May 04 21:49:13 <czaks> i made the same mistake :D
May 04 21:49:35 <khiraly1> hmm
May 04 21:49:36 <khiraly1> and working
May 04 21:49:51 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: ensure good /etc/resolv.conf on freerunner
May 04 21:50:04 <khiraly1> I can ping google.com
May 04 21:50:28 <czaks> another problem with SHR is the GTK environment
May 04 21:50:45 <czaks> which just isn't suited to the phone, like E one
May 04 21:51:03 <khiraly1> awesome
May 04 21:51:08 <khiraly1> works great this mokomaze
May 04 21:51:14 <khiraly1> just blank icon
May 04 21:51:17 <khiraly1> but who cares
May 04 21:53:14 <Toaster`> czaks: Which gtk apps are you talking about.  Most of the SHR apps are in elementary.
May 04 21:53:32 <khiraly1> Toaster`: there is a sketch application;)
May 04 21:53:43 <czaks> Toaster`, at least mofi and midori
May 04 21:53:44 <khiraly1> it is gtk, looks like
May 04 21:53:46 <Toaster`> khiraly1: That's not a SHR deveolped app
May 04 21:53:54 <czaks> when mofi is not a problem, midori is
May 04 21:54:11 <Toaster`> it's included, but not specific to it
May 04 21:54:16 <czaks> or even pidgin
May 04 21:54:43 <khiraly1> with midori I couldnt launch it without net
May 04 21:54:50 <czaks> i mean, it's hard to scroll
May 04 21:54:54 <khiraly1> so viewing local .html files is impossible
May 04 21:55:12 <czaks> and some gtk apps just don't fit on the screen
May 04 21:55:33 <czaks> but i get the same on my netbook
May 04 21:57:33 <khiraly1> hmm
May 04 21:57:48 <khiraly1> how do you have location in midori?
May 04 21:57:56 <khiraly1> so how can I type an address in it?
May 04 21:58:02 <khiraly1> it loads google by default
May 04 21:58:05 <czaks> khiraly1, put the arrow on the right
May 04 21:58:09 <czaks> it should appear
May 04 21:58:22 <khiraly1> nothing happens
May 04 21:58:25 <czaks> click the arrow*
May 04 21:58:36 <khiraly1> I have a permanent warning message, that Im superuser
May 04 21:58:58 <khiraly1> czaks: I did. It appears Location.... Ctrl-L, but after clicking on it nothing happens
May 04 21:59:25 <czaks> khiraly1, hm, right
May 04 21:59:30 <czaks> then try preferences
May 04 21:59:39 <czaks> and somewhere select Icons
May 04 21:59:48 <czaks> wait a moment... i'll locate that
May 04 22:00:26 <khiraly1> ok
May 04 22:00:27 <khiraly1> found it
May 04 22:00:29 <khiraly1> thanks
May 04 22:00:35 <czaks> ok, no problem :p
May 04 22:03:01 <khiraly1> hmm
May 04 22:03:16 <khiraly1> my demo .html page does not work under midori
May 04 22:03:25 <khiraly1> my world domination plan screwed
May 04 22:04:47 * Weiss plays Mokomaze while waiting for his kernel to compile
May 04 22:04:57 <Weiss> i'm very impressed by how much memory and CPU it *doesn't* use
May 04 22:20:40 <DocScrutinizer> Weiss: what? mokomaze or the build?
May 04 22:21:59 <Weiss> mokomaze
May 04 22:22:08 <Weiss> i only have one core, so the build absolutely kills my computer :(
May 04 22:22:11 <Weiss> hence the mokomaze
May 04 22:43:11 * DocScrutinizer wonders how Weiss could possibly bother cpu-usage while playing mokomaze ;-D
May 04 22:45:56 <DocScrutinizer> btw mokomaze has a deadtime that's quite annoying. maybe readout of gmeters could be sped up a little
May 04 22:46:46 <DocScrutinizer> or is this 5fps with dublebuffering?
May 04 22:47:24 <czaks> ok, the wifi has disconnected me
May 04 22:48:37 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I should have posted this on cdevel :-/
May 04 22:51:06 <Weiss> DocScrutinizer: i was curious..
May 04 22:51:23 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
May 04 23:01:26 <fredrin> chau hackers
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