**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 06 02:59:57 2009
May 06 03:22:47 <Digital_Pioneer> Hello, Openmokians.
May 06 03:23:08 <rooly> go away
May 06 03:23:15 <rooly> i'm too busy gloating over my recent accomplishment
May 06 03:23:33 <Digital_Pioneer> What's that? Did you increase the bandwidth to the video chip?
May 06 03:23:58 <rooly> oh, pshaw, nah, i'm too busy doing cool stuff like re-wiring the headlights on my motorcycle
May 06 03:24:06 <rooly> ....*headlight
May 06 03:24:15 <Digital_Pioneer> Oh, pointless waste of time then.
May 06 03:24:24 <Digital_Pioneer> :D
May 06 03:24:54 <rooly> well, with my freerunner, i can fiddle for 2 hours to get gprs working, then use that cli program to order pizza-hut and wait another 30 minutes
May 06 03:25:05 <rooly> or i can drive there on my bike and pick it up in 5
May 06 03:25:17 <Digital_Pioneer> ROFL
May 06 03:25:44 <Digital_Pioneer> I wish I had a decent GPRS plan.
May 06 03:25:57 <rooly> ...who said anything about having a plan
May 06 03:25:59 <Digital_Pioneer> Then I too could waste 2 hours getting it working. :D
May 06 03:26:03 <Digital_Pioneer> Hahah
May 06 03:26:20 <rooly> it'd cost you 40 bucks for a 10$ pizza, not to mention the initial 300-400$ investment for the FR
May 06 03:26:31 <rooly> HOWEVER
May 06 03:26:46 <Digital_Pioneer> Yes... One would hope you use your FR for more than a mobile pizza ordering device.
May 06 03:26:51 <rooly> you could show off to all your iphone buddies, "look what my phone can do"
May 06 03:27:02 <Digital_Pioneer> Heheh
May 06 03:27:11 <Digital_Pioneer> They're called iDrones, BTW. ;)
May 06 03:27:17 <rooly> nice word
May 06 03:27:36 <Digital_Pioneer> Or at least that's what I call them. Heheh
May 06 03:27:51 <rooly> of course, one iphone buddy with enough gumption (and a mac) would write his own software, sell it for 3.99$ and make millions off of your idea
May 06 03:28:13 <Digital_Pioneer> True.
May 06 03:28:27 <rooly> but the initial investment is much much higher there
May 06 03:29:05 <Digital_Pioneer> So long as he doesn't mind Apple dictating every little thing the program does, how it does it, how he licenses it, and claims a small fee for the trouble.
May 06 03:29:10 <rooly> 200-600$ for the phone (plan to no contract prices), plus the 1200 base price for a mac, and up, and then 100 for the iphone sdk
May 06 03:29:30 <rooly> vs 400 and some hackery
May 06 03:30:01 <rooly> so hmm...
May 06 03:30:13 <Digital_Pioneer> $400 max, I paid $250 for mine. (eBay)
May 06 03:30:25 <rooly> right
May 06 03:30:53 <rooly> not to mention variable pricing for the FR, and 120 a month for the iphone
May 06 03:30:58 <Digital_Pioneer> Of course, the batteries in the pen were almost dead, so it wasn't perfect...
May 06 03:31:12 <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, my FR has a GoPhone plan.
May 06 03:31:14 <rooly> meh, i lost my pen within 2 months
May 06 03:31:19 <Digital_Pioneer> Doesn't cost anything unless I use it that day.
May 06 03:31:23 <Digital_Pioneer> Hahah
May 06 03:31:24 <rooly> mine is 'on' a gophone plan right now
May 06 03:31:29 <rooly> i just need to find it...
May 06 03:32:08 <Digital_Pioneer> While the iBone costs about $3/day whether you use it or not.
May 06 03:32:31 <Digital_Pioneer> And that's with the cheapest plan.
May 06 03:32:45 <rooly> right
May 06 03:33:07 <rooly> vs as little as $.20 a day for the FR, and thats on at&t
May 06 03:33:10 <Undrwater> anyone know where i can get ffmpeg?
May 06 03:33:28 <rooly> possibly compile it yourself?
May 06 03:33:41 <Digital_Pioneer> If you can get the toolchain working. <Evil laugh>
May 06 03:33:48 <rooly> or you can compile it on the phone
May 06 03:33:52 * rooly has done that before
May 06 03:34:02 <rooly> of course thats if you don't care about not being able to use it for a few days
May 06 03:34:17 <Digital_Pioneer> ROFL
May 06 03:34:29 <Digital_Pioneer> I can't even build hello world on mine.
May 06 03:34:33 <rooly> oh?
May 06 03:34:35 <rooly> why not
May 06 03:34:43 <Digital_Pioneer> No iostream
May 06 03:35:16 <rooly> ???
May 06 03:35:18 <Undrwater> hmm...i've got gentoo on a stick...would i be able to transfer the binaries?
May 06 03:35:39 <rooly> Undrwater: x86 or arm9 (armv4t)
May 06 03:36:07 <rooly> or maybe it's powerpc
May 06 03:36:22 <rooly> btw, is PPC risc or cisc
May 06 03:36:48 <Undrwater> rooly: i'd emerge on the phone
May 06 03:37:02 <rooly> bow-chica-bow-wow?
May 06 03:37:25 <Undrwater> :D
May 06 03:37:32 <Undrwater> truly sexy
May 06 03:37:46 <Undrwater> all night (and day, and the next) long
May 06 03:37:59 <rooly> hmm
May 06 03:38:08 <rooly> i figure you'd probably take a few weeks to build
May 06 03:39:00 <Undrwater> for ffmpeg? really?
May 06 03:39:32 <mwester> Real Men cross compile. :p
May 06 03:39:34 <rooly> oh, no, gentoo
May 06 03:39:45 <rooly> mwester, real men use butterflies
May 06 03:39:58 <Digital_Pioneer> mwester: Real men have outdated libtools?
May 06 03:40:06 * rooly went there
May 06 03:40:35 <Undrwater> mwester: that's the easy way out! :P
May 06 03:41:00 <mwester> But I admit that there's a certain amount of "wow" to the idea of compiling software on a cell phone...
May 06 03:41:32 <rooly> yup
May 06 03:41:35 <Digital_Pioneer> Well, I'm gonna hit the sack. Goodbye for now. When I wake up tomorrow, I want someone to have a ipk for a bluetooth GUI that will autoconfigure GSM->BT headset ready for me.
May 06 03:41:40 <rooly> god, please tell me somebody got my joke
May 06 03:45:58 * Undrwater admits he didn't get it
May 06 03:49:05 <rooly> xkcd
May 06 03:49:15 <rooly> real programmers use butterflies
May 06 03:49:47 * Undrwater is a social worker dammit!
May 06 03:49:56 <rooly> and?
May 06 03:53:17 <Undrwater> is not a real programmer
May 06 03:53:30 <Undrwater> so won't get programmer jokes...?
May 06 05:13:39 <Wonka> hm... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs doesn't quite tell me where /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type has gone... anyone got an idea?
May 06 05:14:25 <Wonka> /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc/charger_type does not exist
May 06 05:39:20 <PaulFertser> Wonka: is information in /sys/class/power_supply/ enough for you?
May 06 06:43:13 <PaulFertser> lindi-: mokomaze author decided to build his own version of libode because the one in debian experimental is built with double precision (too slow for FR) and debug (some assertions are thrown, probably this should be fixed in mokomaze).
May 06 07:10:18 <Wonka> PaulFertser: i'm trying to fix up that battery.py script. that one read from /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type and derived the amperage the connected charger could deliver - 100mA, 500mA or 1A. I'd like to do that the "new" way.
May 06 07:10:34 <Wonka> PaulFertser: didn't yet find the correct place
May 06 07:14:24 <PaulFertser> Wonka: well, i'll try to find that out then.
May 06 07:15:14 <Wonka> PaulFertser: thanks :)
May 06 07:29:24 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 06 07:35:44 <PaulFertser> Wonka: are you interested in full description (that i'm yet to find out) or in the git commits that affect that?
May 06 07:36:18 <Wonka> PaulFertser: both won't hurt, but the latter might be enough
May 06 07:37:15 <Wonka> PaulFertser: if I had had to find out myself, I would have tried to find out which commits had removed /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type and where the functionality went
May 06 07:38:38 <PaulFertser> Wonka: well, the idea is that charger type was available from the old sensors-based pcf50633 (last commit removing it 6fde2330ccdf7a6817b664702c4c5e4c7e61a054). Currently we use a new mbc-model driver which has separate parts for ADC etc. So give me some time to see how the information is available from it.
May 06 07:39:55 <Wonka> PaulFertser: of course :)
May 06 07:40:22 * Wonka is at work atm and that work is not OM related...
May 06 07:43:16 <PaulFertser> Wonka: same for me :)
May 06 07:46:45 <khiraly1> hmm
May 06 07:50:36 <PaulFertser> Wonka: it looks like that information is no longer accessible from userspace. But if you insert a wall-charger, the kernel will promptly set 1000 for usb current limit (and chg_limut). 
May 06 07:53:00 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: are you using your phone from SD card?
May 06 07:53:57 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: yes
May 06 07:54:30 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: and i'm using Qi
May 06 07:55:50 <PaulFertser> Wonka: so, what else do you need to get from the kernel? If you're interested in the raw ADC value, i guess you'll have to make a kernel patch for that.
May 06 07:56:37 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: and what distro?
May 06 07:56:53 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: Debian
May 06 07:57:05 <khiraly1> aie
May 06 07:57:13 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: but it can't affect booting in any way.
May 06 07:57:33 <khiraly1> Im out of idea why my om2009 cant boot
May 06 07:58:09 <khiraly1> maybe I will try to install shr on sd, and erase shr from NAND
May 06 07:59:01 <khiraly1> hmm, just read you answered on mailing list
May 06 07:59:12 <khiraly1> ok. Im trying it right now
May 06 08:03:18 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: what kernel messages do you see with loglevel=8?
May 06 08:03:28 <khiraly11> one observation, as Im using uboot from NOR (because Qi in NAND try to boot the broken om2009 image from sd), the phone appears as usb0 before that it appeared as eth1
May 06 08:03:49 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: sorry, just network manager crashed when I plugged in my neo
May 06 08:03:50 <khiraly11> ;-\
May 06 08:04:01 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: yeah, it used to be usb0 but now eth1 is persistent.
May 06 08:04:17 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: hm, the idea of loglevel=8 is to see everything on FR's screen.
May 06 08:04:22 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: u-boot = usb0; Qi=eth1 ?
May 06 08:04:29 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: to be able to diagnose unable to mount root problems etc.
May 06 08:04:53 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: yepp, that what I want. To see where it stuck
May 06 08:04:55 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: not exactly. Modern Qi+modern image results in eth1. 
May 06 08:05:50 <khiraly11> with loglevel=8 I see only the messages, what I wrote on the mailing list.
May 06 08:06:06 <khiraly11> but, it was with the newlines
May 06 08:06:24 <khiraly11> ok. Let me try one more time. I write everything into one line as suggested
May 06 08:06:25 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: then it was wrong obviously and didn't had effect.
May 06 08:06:41 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: one line and no extra spaces around = is critical.
May 06 08:08:07 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: should I have some newlines at the end of append-GTA02?
May 06 08:08:11 <khiraly11> or does not matter?
May 06 08:08:22 <khiraly11> ok, time to try out
May 06 08:08:47 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: i'd put a trailing space at the end of the first line (there was a bug that is fixed for some time, but i'm not sure you're running a recent version)
May 06 08:09:02 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: otherwise, trailing newlines are not necessary.
May 06 08:09:09 <khiraly11> from Qi Im running the latest what I could find
May 06 08:09:18 <khiraly11> Ok I have one new line
May 06 08:09:40 <khiraly11> yepp I have more verbose output
May 06 08:10:19 <khiraly11> [214xxxx] Freeing init memory: 132K
May 06 08:10:29 <khiraly11> it stuck a little bit, but it continous now
May 06 08:10:47 <khiraly11> doh
May 06 08:10:57 <khiraly11> I got Angstrom logo and console login
May 06 08:11:23 <khiraly11> now everything is black. I assume e starts!
May 06 08:11:24 <khiraly11> finally
May 06 08:12:13 <khiraly11> Super;)
May 06 08:13:48 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: so, what was the problem then?
May 06 08:13:53 <Wonka> PaulFertser: it's not that I _need_ that value - it was shown before, so I wanted to port that functionality to the new interface. I'll modify battery.py so it shows chg_curlim...
May 06 08:14:11 <khiraly11> the append-GTA02 file contained loglevel = 8 with spaces
May 06 08:14:15 <khiraly11> and multiple line
May 06 08:14:51 <khiraly11> ok, now paroli is in fullscreen
May 06 08:15:06 <PaulFertser> Wonka: if you need anything particular that can be understood by reading the sources, feel free to ask.
May 06 08:15:06 <khiraly11> I'll try to edit the config file. Saw somewhere I can disable it
May 06 08:15:20 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: it is the very last setting in the file
May 06 08:15:31 <mirko-paroli> you'll need to restart paroli though
May 06 08:15:38 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: i wouldn't recommend running with high loglevel, it affects performance of boot and suspend/resume considerably.
May 06 08:15:59 <Wonka> PaulFertser: will do :)
May 06 08:16:06 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: I will erase then. Now, that it boots
May 06 08:16:19 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: why didn't it boot without append-GTA02?
May 06 08:17:40 <khiraly11> no idea. I do not remember I even tried to boot without append-GTA02. I saw append-GTA02 on the wiki and created one I think
May 06 08:17:54 <khiraly11> but do not remember exactly
May 06 08:18:26 <khiraly11> and I booted with the separate uImage, which can be downloaded separately. (and not the one which comes with the .tar.gz)
May 06 08:18:33 <khiraly11> dont know which way is the correct
May 06 08:19:22 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: the correct way is to compile the kernel from source like all the real men do ;)
May 06 08:19:44 <khiraly11> doh. Not correct.
May 06 08:20:11 <khiraly11> We all have the same hardware. So why every member should figure out the "one true kernel config" ?
May 06 08:20:24 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: there's kernel defconfig for you.
May 06 08:21:01 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: compiling from source allows you to easily test patches/various versions, look up particular details in the source etc.
May 06 08:21:02 <khiraly11> in the PC worls you are right, I can costumize the kernel image. But here, as everyone has the same hardware, we should have only one .config
May 06 08:21:47 <khiraly11> its one reason, but Im not testing the kernel but a distribution (which should shipped with a correct kernel)
May 06 08:22:36 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: now as you know how to properly use Qi, i suggest you repeat the test with the kernel included in the distro, if it doesn't work, try to analise the problem and report a bug to distro maintainer.
May 06 08:24:51 <khiraly11> hmm. I have [advanced-mode] activated=True in /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg. But it is fullscreen
May 06 08:25:13 <khiraly11> and the last setting is [error-message]
May 06 08:25:16 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: now hold the AUX till you see the menu
May 06 08:25:28 <PaulFertser> Or smth like that
May 06 08:26:14 <khiraly11> not working
May 06 08:26:27 <khiraly11> with the power button goes to suspend
May 06 08:26:38 <PaulFertser> Well, follow the white rabbit^W^W instructions recently posted on the ML.
May 06 08:27:11 <khiraly11> works faster than shr
May 06 08:30:03 <khiraly11> how to restart paroli btw?
May 06 08:31:18 <PaulFertser> Hm, you haven't restarted it after doing a config change?
May 06 08:31:38 <khiraly11> maybe [standalone] interfere with [advanced-mode]
May 06 08:32:02 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: I didnt change the config, because the [advanced-mode] was already set (True)
May 06 08:32:20 <khiraly11> but how to restart it btw?
May 06 08:32:28 <khiraly11> from commandline (ssh)
May 06 08:32:54 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: what exactly do you want to configure?
May 06 08:33:11 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: i do not want paroli in fullscreen
May 06 08:33:15 <mirko-paroli> k
May 06 08:33:17 <khiraly11> so windows mode
May 06 08:33:20 <mirko-paroli> do you have settings enabled?
May 06 08:33:28 <khiraly11> how can I check it?
May 06 08:33:28 <jc2> mirko-paroli: how do I pick up a call?
May 06 08:33:34 <mirko-paroli> it is the last entry in the config file
May 06 08:33:48 <mirko-paroli> jc2: a window will open and you click on answer
May 06 08:34:01 <jc2> em....
May 06 08:34:05 <mirko-paroli> if the window does not appear you have a bug in the framework, do an opkg update and then upgrade
May 06 08:34:06 <jc2> didn't see that.
May 06 08:34:41 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: http://pastebin.ca/1414036
May 06 08:34:50 <khiraly11> ^^this is my /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg
May 06 08:35:07 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: ah sry it is the second last
May 06 08:35:16 <mirko-paroli> [settings]
May 06 08:35:18 <mirko-paroli> set that to true
May 06 08:35:20 <mirko-paroli> True
May 06 08:35:49 <mirko-paroli> and the easiest way to restart p is to reboot
May 06 08:36:02 <khiraly11> ok, the second easiest?
May 06 08:36:24 <mirko-paroli> change the profile manually and then use the .desktop file ;)
May 06 08:37:04 <khiraly11> what is profile?
May 06 08:37:20 <khiraly11> something in   ~/.paroli dir?
May 06 08:37:24 <mirko-paroli> are you on the cmd line on the phone ?
May 06 08:37:32 <khiraly11> yepp. via ssh
May 06 08:37:35 <mirko-paroli> k
May 06 08:37:36 <mirko-paroli> do
May 06 08:37:38 <mirko-paroli> export DISPLAY=:0
May 06 08:37:40 <mirko-paroli> and then
May 06 08:37:47 <mirko-paroli> mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.Profile.Set
May 06 08:37:49 <mirko-paroli>  illume
May 06 08:37:52 <mirko-paroli> all in one line
May 06 08:38:18 <khiraly11>  mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/Remote
May 06 08:38:19 <khiraly11> Object org.enlightenment.wm.Profile.Set illume
May 06 08:38:21 <khiraly11> doh
May 06 08:38:25 <khiraly11> ok, all in one line
May 06 08:38:33 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 06 08:38:34 <jc2> mirko-paroli: do an opkg update could fix that?
May 06 08:38:47 <mirko-paroli> jc2: opkg update and then opkg upgrade
May 06 08:38:47 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: btw, what ringtone OM2009 uses by default? Because if it's mp3 it can slow down things, iirc.
May 06 08:39:02 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: I am not sure, let me check
May 06 08:39:11 <khiraly11> it tooks about 4-5 sec but I got back the command line
May 06 08:39:15 <jc2> mirko-paroli: that's what I mean. btw, will this be fixed?
May 06 08:39:21 <khiraly11> but what should happen on the phone?
May 06 08:39:29 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: and ogsmd DEBUG shouldn't be enabled for the fast response times.
May 06 08:39:47 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: most of these are issues for angus ;)
May 06 08:39:57 <mirko-paroli> jc2: this is fixed, just not on your image ;)
May 06 08:39:59 <khiraly11> oh. It diesappears and reappears. (drawing from top to bottom)
May 06 08:40:19 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: you should have the usual illume screen now
May 06 08:40:29 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: yeah, i know. Just fyi ;)
May 06 08:40:34 <mirko-paroli> hehe
May 06 08:40:37 <khiraly11> but I got the same screen as before
May 06 08:41:06 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: what does
May 06 08:41:10 <mirko-paroli> mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.Profile.Lis
May 06 08:41:11 <mirko-paroli> t
May 06 08:41:11 <jc2> mirko-paroli: that's too bad, I found something already fixed.  Now I have to find another one.
May 06 08:41:13 <mirko-paroli> give you ?
May 06 08:42:42 <khiraly11> ['paroli', 'default', 'illume']
May 06 08:42:49 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: ok
May 06 08:43:25 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.Profile.Get
May 06 08:43:44 <khiraly11> 'paroli'
May 06 08:43:52 <khiraly11> root@om-gta02:~# mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/Remote
May 06 08:43:53 <khiraly11> Object org.enlightenment.wm.Profile.Get
May 06 08:43:53 <khiraly11> 'paroli'
May 06 08:43:53 <khiraly11> root@om-gta02:~#
May 06 08:44:24 <mirko-paroli> hm
May 06 08:44:37 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: which image do you have?
May 06 08:46:08 <khiraly11> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz
May 06 08:46:42 <khiraly11> and with uImage from: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.bin
May 06 08:46:56 <khiraly11> copied over, and made a symlink as uImage-GTA02.bin
May 06 08:47:02 <khiraly11> (in /boot) 
May 06 08:47:29 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: more cmd line: cat /usr/bin/x-window-manager
May 06 08:48:09 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.com/m404f933e
May 06 08:49:15 <mirko-paroli> do you have the folder .e in ~ ?
May 06 08:49:47 <khiraly11> yepp
May 06 08:49:52 <mirko-paroli> very strange
May 06 08:50:07 <khiraly11>  .e/e/
May 06 08:50:09 <khiraly11> and many file
May 06 08:50:10 <khiraly11> s
May 06 08:50:17 <mirko-paroli> that the profile doesn't change after you told it to usually means that enlightenment can not find what you just stored
May 06 08:50:26 <mirko-paroli> and thus goes back to the standard thing
May 06 08:50:30 <mirko-paroli> which in this case is paroli
May 06 08:50:44 <mirko-paroli> k
May 06 08:50:54 <khiraly11> ok. I tar.gz up this dir, and put online
May 06 08:51:06 <mirko-paroli> vi /etc/enlightenment/default_profile
May 06 08:51:13 <mirko-paroli> and change paroli to illume
May 06 08:51:22 <mirko-paroli> as you probably don't want paroli in fullscreen anyhow ;)
May 06 08:51:32 <mirko-paroli> it is just my wild guess though ;)
May 06 08:51:50 <khiraly11> E_PROFILE="-profile paroli"
May 06 08:51:55 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 06 08:52:01 <khiraly11> to E_PROFILE="-profile illume"
May 06 08:52:02 <khiraly11> ?
May 06 08:52:04 <mirko-paroli> yepp
May 06 08:52:12 <mirko-paroli> and then
May 06 08:52:26 <mirko-paroli> mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.Profile.Set
May 06 08:52:27 <mirko-paroli>  illume
May 06 08:53:25 <khiraly11> doh
May 06 08:53:43 <khiraly11> after about 10 sec, the paroli screen disappears and come back as before
May 06 08:53:45 <khiraly11> no change
May 06 08:53:52 <Blackhex> Hello everyone. Since I'm not educated in mobile technologies, I would like to ask what is a theoretical maximal transfer rate of Neo Freerunner's through GPRS, please?
May 06 08:53:54 <khiraly11> I tried to push the AUX button, but no luck
May 06 08:53:54 <mirko-paroli> huh?
May 06 08:54:03 <mirko-paroli> do you have the top-shelf ?
May 06 08:54:11 <khiraly11> no
May 06 08:54:19 <mirko-paroli> ehm
May 06 08:54:27 <mirko-paroli> whatever you did on the phone ... 
May 06 08:54:34 * mirko-paroli doesn't get it
May 06 08:54:45 <khiraly11> [loudspeaker icon] default [space] [coverage icon] [battery icon]
May 06 08:55:07 <khiraly11> Ok. I restart the phone
May 06 08:55:11 <khiraly11> to see what happens
May 06 08:55:11 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 06 08:55:13 <mirko-paroli> good plan
May 06 08:55:25 <khiraly11> how to switch off by the way?;)
May 06 08:55:32 <khiraly11> long push on power button?
May 06 08:55:32 <mirko-paroli> take out the energy source
May 06 08:55:46 * mirko-paroli means remove
May 06 08:55:57 <khiraly11> doh, I just put back the back cover
May 06 08:56:36 <khiraly11> ok, it is booting again
May 06 08:57:33 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r64d217f36777 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: 
May 06 08:57:33 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: [#418] Add support for errors in XML specs
May 06 08:57:33 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 08:58:05 <mirko-paroli> btw anyone knows what this means :Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1
May 06 08:58:45 <khiraly11> hmm
May 06 08:58:52 <khiraly11> no top shelf
May 06 08:59:08 <mirko-paroli> my guess is, that there is sth odd with you installation
May 06 08:59:35 <khiraly11> ok. now when I push the aux button for two sec
May 06 08:59:42 <khiraly11> I get phone and display
May 06 08:59:43 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * rc99fd5ff6030 10/ (Makefile opim/Makefile): 
May 06 08:59:43 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Fix Makefiles to include opimd specs
May 06 08:59:43 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 08:59:49 <khiraly11> I think display should I choose
May 06 09:00:08 <mirko-paroli> yepp
May 06 09:00:17 <khiraly11> after I have profile     paroli
May 06 09:00:21 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 06 09:00:24 <mirko-paroli> if you hit that once
May 06 09:00:35 <khiraly11> ok illume now
May 06 09:04:07 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r4214e36ddd05 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: 
May 06 09:04:07 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Publish GSM.Call errordomains and throws specifications
May 06 09:04:07 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 09:04:08 <khiraly11> o yeah
May 06 09:04:08 <khiraly11> I have virtual desktops too. What the heck
May 06 09:04:09 <mirko-paroli> ah
May 06 09:04:09 <mirko-paroli> ok
May 06 09:04:09 <mirko-paroli> odd that it didn't work before
May 06 09:04:10 <khiraly11> hmm. I need to write the phone number before the actual message?
May 06 09:04:10 <khiraly11> doh
May 06 09:04:11 <khiraly11> cant push the next button
May 06 09:04:11 <mirko-paroli> it is a bit tricky, I admit
May 06 09:04:11 <mirko-paroli> but it works
May 06 09:05:25 <khiraly11> hmm, no feedback on next button, and I resulted saving two empy message, and got a strange music out of the device
May 06 09:05:35 <mirko-paroli> LOL
May 06 09:05:46 <mirko-paroli> the strange music was probably an incoming sms
May 06 09:06:10 <khiraly11> yeah, the only content was NEW
May 06 09:06:20 <mirko-paroli> once you hit the send button the display is blocked
May 06 09:06:26 <mirko-paroli> and it says "sending"
May 06 09:06:31 <khiraly11> hmm. shame on me. I sended (accidentally) on my own number
May 06 09:06:41 <khiraly11> no wasnt any send button
May 06 09:07:13 <khiraly11> I just typed the phone number (by the way why I should write the phonenumber before the message?), and tapped on the next
May 06 09:07:28 <mirko-paroli> after that window you get to the actuall writing of the message
May 06 09:07:29 <khiraly11> nothing happened. Tapped again, and again. And with a stylus too
May 06 09:07:45 <mirko-paroli> ah
May 06 09:07:48 <khiraly11> and got two incoming sms one with empty. And other with NEW content
May 06 09:07:51 <khiraly11> i think
May 06 09:08:01 <mirko-paroli> so you might have pressed send right away
May 06 09:08:41 <khiraly11> maybe, but not appeared the another window. I even could delete some number from the phone number
May 06 09:09:25 <khiraly11> and have difficulty how to get a keyboard without the illume top shelf
May 06 09:09:55 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 06 09:10:02 <mirko-paroli> in paroli it is opened once needed
May 06 09:10:07 <mirko-paroli> in any other app I think there is issues
May 06 09:11:54 <khiraly11> how can I cancel the text in the default keyboard layout.
May 06 09:12:09 <mirko-paroli> delete text?
May 06 09:12:16 <mirko-paroli> swipe to the left on the keyboard
May 06 09:12:32 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * rcb02f826ff01 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: 
May 06 09:12:32 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Fix method names that are registered names
May 06 09:12:34 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 09:13:04 <khiraly11> not working. I get random characters pop up
May 06 09:13:19 <khiraly11> in a zoom window
May 06 09:13:32 <mirko-paroli> I believe than your swipe is not long and fast enough
May 06 09:13:49 <khiraly11> ahh
May 06 09:13:52 <khiraly11> I get it
May 06 09:14:48 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r08467310f180 10/src/Makefile.am: 
May 06 09:14:48 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Add PIM specs to the build
May 06 09:14:48 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 09:14:49 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r44c32a8a0aae 10/src/ (5 files): 
May 06 09:14:49 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Regenerated from specs
May 06 09:14:49 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 09:14:51 <khiraly11> I definietly need a dict for this keyboard
May 06 09:15:07 <khiraly11> typing english is so much fun
May 06 09:15:19 <khiraly11> but not in my native language. Is pain in the ass
May 06 09:17:13 <khiraly11> hmm. I succesfully started paroli two times
May 06 09:19:32 <khiraly11> accents got question marks in the msg view window
May 06 09:19:37 <khiraly11> s/got/becomes
May 06 09:19:49 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: yepp that is an encoding prob
May 06 09:19:55 <mirko-paroli> i am more or less on it ;)
May 06 09:20:41 <khiraly11> this Next button is so small, and no feedback, that is really hard to interact with
May 06 09:21:03 <khiraly11> I believe i pressed on the right spot, but I fear I will send an empty message, if I try again
May 06 09:22:01 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: if it helps I am editing it right now
May 06 09:22:19 <khiraly11> I can update it from the phone, no?
May 06 09:22:25 <khiraly11> like git, or something
May 06 09:22:29 <mirko-paroli> yepp after the next build
May 06 09:22:32 <mirko-paroli> you get the opkg
May 06 09:22:35 <mirko-paroli> or oyu checkout the git
May 06 09:22:37 <mirko-paroli> sure 
May 06 09:22:46 <mirko-paroli> but then it would be hard to launch from the desktop
May 06 09:22:56 <mirko-paroli> or at least involve some niftiness
May 06 09:23:02 <khiraly11> hmm
May 06 09:24:00 <khiraly11> it is plain python
May 06 09:24:14 <khiraly11> I could just overwrite the files on my system
May 06 09:25:16 <mirko-paroli> sure
May 06 09:25:30 <mirko-paroli> I just find it nasty having to do that all the time
May 06 09:25:31 <mirko-paroli> but yeah
May 06 09:25:35 <mirko-paroli> in theory no prob at all
May 06 09:26:22 <khiraly11> hmm. I called myself and exactly 3 sec after I accepted the phonecall when the ringtones stopped
May 06 09:27:06 <khiraly11> ok, the vibration is instantly just the ringtone
May 06 09:27:17 <khiraly11> is paroli has a settings somewhere?
May 06 09:27:31 <khiraly11> or just I/O, People, Tele, Msgs what I have,
May 06 09:27:32 <khiraly11> ?
May 06 09:28:02 <mirko-paroli> settings is on aux
May 06 09:28:02 <khiraly11> ahh, rtfm
May 06 09:29:23 <khiraly11> yepp, I need 3 sec of pushing it
May 06 09:29:34 <khiraly11> but where it gets the ringtone?
May 06 09:30:57 <mirko-paroli> the ringtone comes from the framework
May 06 09:31:08 <mirko-paroli> there are currently no settings
May 06 09:31:10 <mirko-paroli> they are in the works
May 06 09:32:03 <khiraly11> how can I verify that it is not in mp3/ogg/etc format but plain .wav?
May 06 09:32:18 <khiraly11> need an mc on this phone
May 06 09:32:35 <mirko-paroli> it is either an ogg or a sid
May 06 09:32:37 <mirko-paroli> no wav
May 06 09:32:59 <khiraly11> I want to convert it to wav, maybe it will be more responsible
May 06 09:35:23 <khiraly11> I need a mc, cant find via opkg
May 06 09:35:35 <khiraly11> Its so difficult to discover the filesystem.
May 06 09:37:00 <khiraly11> there is none
May 06 09:37:29 <khiraly11> ahh found it
May 06 09:41:46 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: how can I restart fso-frameworkd?
May 06 09:42:01 <mirko-paroli>  /etc/init.d/frameword restart
May 06 09:43:31 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r7b61d8811368 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: 
May 06 09:43:31 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Rename 'call_status' to 'call_details' and rename CallStatusEnum
May 06 09:43:31 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 09:43:46 <khiraly11> hmm. I have no luck today
May 06 09:44:03 <khiraly11> after restarting it the screen is black, and dont react to anything
May 06 09:44:14 <khiraly11> I removed the battery
May 06 09:46:39 <khiraly11> hmm I need to manually start paroli (clicking on the paroli icon)
May 06 09:47:01 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * rf9551ac7c7cd 10/src/freesmartphone-gsm.vala: 
May 06 09:47:01 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Report call status renaming accordingly
May 06 09:47:01 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 09:48:46 <khiraly11> doh
May 06 09:48:52 <khiraly11> I succesfully started paroli two times
May 06 09:49:17 <khiraly11> when I called my phone I was in the wrong paroli. Could not answer the phone call
May 06 09:53:18 <Weiss> d'oh
May 06 09:53:34 <Weiss> khiraly11: my phone did that this morning, as well. coincidence?
May 06 09:53:41 <Weiss> (maybe related to the TV switching off thing)
May 06 09:54:56 <khiraly11> and after the active paroli throw a lot of dbus error message
May 06 09:55:03 <khiraly11> and I cant call the phone. 
May 06 09:55:12 <khiraly11> Im restarting, and will a bit more patient
May 06 09:55:21 <khiraly11> (dont start paroli manually)
May 06 09:56:50 <khiraly11> yeah. It starts automatically just so slow, I thought it didnt start
May 06 09:57:02 <khiraly11> like a minute or so
May 06 10:00:48 <khiraly11> this windowed paroli does not seem to work fine
May 06 10:01:02 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: it works just as the the other
May 06 10:01:08 <mirko-paroli> as both of them are actually windowed
May 06 10:01:09 <khiraly11> when I call the phone it ring and vibrate but the default screen is on
May 06 10:01:31 <mirko-paroli> can you check what it says in /var/log/paroli.log
May 06 10:01:36 <mirko-paroli> the last 10 - 20 lines
May 06 10:01:38 <khiraly11> of course
May 06 10:02:00 <mirko-paroli> th
May 06 10:02:01 <mirko-paroli> x
May 06 10:03:47 * ndnihil cant answer calls unless paroli is already running
May 06 10:08:50 <mirko-paroli> ndnihil: ?
May 06 10:09:11 <ndnihil> I have to keep paroli running to answer calls
May 06 10:09:26 <mirko-paroli> ndnihil: what else would accept phone-calls?
May 06 10:09:50 <mirko-paroli> you mean you need to have the winow open ?
May 06 10:09:55 <ndnihil> yes
May 06 10:10:04 <ndnihil> it doesnt automatically start when a call comes in
May 06 10:10:04 <mirko-paroli> the next testing image will have a dialog when you close the launcher window
May 06 10:10:17 <mirko-paroli> asking if you want to keep paroli running in the backgroudn
May 06 10:10:33 <mirko-paroli> if paroli switches off, you deregister from you mobile provider
May 06 10:11:00 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.ca/1414090
May 06 10:11:03 <ndnihil> it rings without paroli running
May 06 10:12:00 <khiraly11> I restart my phone
May 06 10:12:08 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: do you need anything else?
May 06 10:12:29 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: nope that'll give me enough to ponder on ;)
May 06 10:12:30 <mirko-paroli> thx
May 06 10:15:12 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: something in the framework had timed out
May 06 10:15:48 * mirko-paroli thinks the testing image is more unstable than our unstable images ;)
May 06 10:15:53 <PaulFertser> Digital_Pioneer: ayt?
May 06 10:15:57 <ndnihil> do the power and aux buttons with in the next testing image?
May 06 10:16:20 <ndnihil> er
May 06 10:16:23 <ndnihil> s/with/work/
May 06 10:16:25 * ndnihil shakes his head
May 06 10:17:02 <mirko-paroli> ndnihil: the aux button does work, the display of the action might not be accurate in that image
May 06 10:17:10 <mirko-paroli> the power button does result in suspend
May 06 10:17:19 <mirko-paroli> the power down rule however is buggy
May 06 10:17:21 <ndnihil> not on the image I'm using
May 06 10:17:33 <ndnihil> it's the unstable you linked me to the other night
May 06 10:17:47 <mirko-paroli> today's unstable?
May 06 10:17:54 <mirko-paroli> ah
May 06 10:17:55 <mirko-paroli> hmm
May 06 10:18:13 <ndnihil> 0504
May 06 10:18:20 <ndnihil> was the date on the files
May 06 10:18:42 <mirko-paroli> the profile in the top-left corner does not change when you press the aus button?
May 06 10:18:44 <mirko-paroli> aux
May 06 10:19:44 <ndnihil> throws exception handler for dbus
May 06 10:19:52 <ndnihil> aux does
May 06 10:20:37 <mirko-paroli> ?
May 06 10:20:54 <ndnihil> in paroli.log
May 06 10:21:16 <mirko-paroli> k then it is probably only the display that is not updated
May 06 10:21:20 <ndnihil> when I press aux, it does some retreiving speaker status stuff, then 2009-05-06 06:20:01,964 dbus.connection ERROR    Exception in handler for D-Bus signal:
May 06 10:21:26 <mirko-paroli> oh
May 06 10:21:28 <mirko-paroli> sry
May 06 10:21:40 <mirko-paroli> what are the lines after that?
May 06 10:23:00 <ndnihil> http://pastebin.com/d390a6074
May 06 10:24:39 <ndnihil> and the power button suspends, but only when paroli is running
May 06 10:26:33 <ndnihil> and I still haven't figured out how to use the alarm thing when you slide the clock to the right
May 06 10:27:37 <ndnihil> can toggle it off and on, but not set the time
May 06 10:30:06 <mirko-paroli> i just noticed it doesn't play any sound anyhow ...
May 06 10:30:08 <mirko-paroli> darn
May 06 10:30:22 <mirko-paroli> if you don't do it yourself :)
May 06 10:31:02 <mirko-paroli> ndnihil: for now and please note I desperately want to change this
May 06 10:31:09 <mirko-paroli> if you click on alarm on
May 06 10:31:12 <mirko-paroli> and then hit the clock
May 06 10:31:18 <mirko-paroli> the colon will start blinking
May 06 10:31:23 <mirko-paroli> you can then set the alarm time
May 06 10:31:29 <mirko-paroli> hit the clock again and the alarm is set
May 06 10:31:46 <mirko-paroli> however there is something fishy there, so that it doesn't play a sound
May 06 10:32:01 <mirko-paroli> I'll put time and alarm setting on the agenda for today
May 06 10:32:05 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: did the log helped?
May 06 10:32:24 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: I believe it is an issue that I solved last night
May 06 10:32:30 <mirko-paroli> someone else was having the same prob
May 06 10:32:35 <SpeedEvil> maybe if you turn alarm on/off, the clock blinks the alarm time for a few seconds to let you change it?
May 06 10:32:48 <SpeedEvil> (random thoughts, caveats are again I've not used paroli)
May 06 10:33:09 <mirko-paroli> SpeedEvil: I want to create the standard thing in settings
May 06 10:33:10 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: is in the git already?
May 06 10:33:15 <mirko-paroli> plain and simple time setting
May 06 10:33:17 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: yepp
May 06 10:33:46 <mirko-paroli> k a cig and then 90min break
May 06 10:33:57 <SpeedEvil> mirko-paroli: makes sense
May 06 10:34:14 <khiraly11> hmm
May 06 10:34:25 <mirko-paroli> the settings app was added later hence we had to have a way to make it work right away first
May 06 10:34:34 <mirko-paroli> but someone that didn't work out too well ...
May 06 10:34:41 <khiraly11> make tele not wait for cpu resource
May 06 10:34:46 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 06 10:34:59 <mirko-paroli> that is part of it
May 06 10:35:05 <khiraly11> ok, I git checkout, and see where should i overwrite in the system
May 06 10:35:17 <mirko-paroli> uu that is tough
May 06 10:35:34 <khiraly11> all over the place?
May 06 10:35:50 <mirko-paroli> well 2 places and you might need to recompile the edje files
May 06 10:36:36 <khiraly11> I can recompile the edje files on the phone, no?
May 06 10:36:48 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * rb6c46e162acc 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: 
May 06 10:36:48 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Enable parameter structs description
May 06 10:36:48 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 10:36:57 <mirko-paroli> yepp one sec
May 06 10:37:52 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: can you git on the phone?
May 06 10:38:13 <khiraly11> do it have git?
May 06 10:38:24 <khiraly11> I have ssh access and network set up (via usb)
May 06 10:38:38 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r54e826af51c9 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: 
May 06 10:38:38 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Explicit CallDetail struct
May 06 10:38:38 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 10:38:56 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r0605fce6be5e 10/src/freesmartphone-gsm.vala: 
May 06 10:38:56 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Explicit CallDetail struct
May 06 10:38:56 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 10:40:02 <khiraly11> I have internet on the phone, but opkg says for everything: * Cannot find package git
May 06 10:40:12 <khiraly11> but i can ping google.com for example
May 06 10:40:19 <mirko-paroli> opkg update
May 06 10:40:40 <khiraly11> ok it is downloading Packages.gz
May 06 10:40:50 <khiraly11> * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4/Packages.gz, error 404
May 06 10:41:18 <khiraly11> shouldn't be experimental? (and not testing)
May 06 10:41:25 <mirko-paroli> unstable
May 06 10:41:30 <mirko-paroli> but that doesn't matter
May 06 10:41:35 <mirko-paroli> git shouldn't have changed
May 06 10:41:45 <mirko-paroli> don't try to upgrade from testing to unstable
May 06 10:41:58 <khiraly11> ok i dont
May 06 10:41:58 <mirko-paroli> that'll break it
May 06 10:42:56 <khiraly11> this directory does not exists: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4/
May 06 10:43:09 <khiraly11> of course it fails to fetch Packages.gz
May 06 10:43:35 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 06 10:43:40 <mirko-paroli> you can ignore that one
May 06 10:43:41 <khiraly11> it is not a typo?
May 06 10:43:45 <mirko-paroli> nope
May 06 10:43:45 <khiraly11> armv4 vs. armv4t
May 06 10:43:54 <mirko-paroli> armv4t is also there
May 06 10:43:57 <khiraly11> it is downloading (the git)
May 06 10:44:00 <mirko-paroli> not sure why the other is still there
May 06 10:44:02 <mirko-paroli> ok
May 06 10:44:07 <mirko-paroli> I just comitted the launcher script
May 06 10:44:22 <mirko-paroli> in the commit message it says what ya need to do :)
May 06 10:44:24 <khiraly11> to prevent launching paroli two timeS?
May 06 10:44:29 <mirko-paroli> ehm no
May 06 10:44:46 <mirko-paroli> I have troubles with dbus so that'll take a bit
May 06 10:45:29 <mirko-paroli> http://git.paroli-project.org/?p=paroli.git;a=summary
May 06 10:45:31 <mirko-paroli> k
May 06 10:45:38 <mirko-paroli> will take a break here
May 06 10:45:41 <mirko-paroli> hope it works out
May 06 10:45:45 <mirko-paroli> will be back late
May 06 10:45:46 <mirko-paroli> r
May 06 10:45:57 <khiraly11> ok, I will report
May 06 10:46:03 <mirko-paroli> k thx
May 06 10:46:05 <mirko-paroli> :)
May 06 10:46:12 <khiraly11> and I need to figure out where to look for the .desktop files
May 06 10:46:12 <mirko-paroli> bye
May 06 10:46:16 <khiraly11> google time
May 06 10:46:21 <khiraly11> bye
May 06 10:46:23 <mirko-paroli>  /usr/share/applications
May 06 10:46:35 <mirko-paroli> cya
May 06 10:50:12 <khiraly11> omg, git is 39MB
May 06 10:52:05 <skamster_> hello there.. i had a little question.. i want to work with toolchain to compile a project (opendoom).. so i was looking in the wiki, but in the step with setup-env ist a problem.. there is no setup-env-file..
May 06 10:52:11 <skamster_> had someone a idea?
May 06 10:52:28 <skamster_> is the name changed?
May 06 10:52:36 <skamster_> or must i download this file seperatly?=
May 06 10:55:34 <PaulFertser> skamster_: are you sure you don't want to use OE?
May 06 10:56:01 <PaulFertser> skamster_: minimal toolchain is ok for kernel or bootloader, where there's no or little dependencies.
May 06 10:56:20 <skamster_> mmh, don't know exactly what's oe.. i just read this: http://unsyncopated.com/BrainSolvent/Doom%20Port/Development%20Comments
May 06 10:56:32 <PaulFertser> skamster_: and in case you want to use OE, there's a convenience makefile called SHRMakefile to setup everything for you.
May 06 10:56:37 <PaulFertser> skamster_: OE == OpenEmbedded
May 06 10:57:01 <skamster_> ah, ok.. that's nice :D
May 06 10:57:15 <skamster_> is it easy to install on ubuntu?
May 06 10:58:20 <PaulFertser> skamster_: it is usually easy, esp. for a programmer. From time to time OE is broken though... Just go to shr-project.org and look at "Building" section.
May 06 11:01:35 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r69dddc117da6 10/ (4 files): 
May 06 11:01:35 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Fixed pkgconfig name to fso-glib-1.0.pc
May 06 11:01:35 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: WARNING: This may break your build systems
May 06 11:01:35 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 11:02:48 <skamster_> PaulFertse: i undestand it right, i could use the shr-make-file to compile ANOTHER package, FOR the shr-system?
May 06 11:03:10 <skamster_> or is the shr-make-file just to compile shr?
May 06 11:04:33 <PaulFertser> skamster_: shrmakefile configures OE environment for you (and also implements some dirty hack called shr overlay ;) ), with OE you can compile any package. 
May 06 11:05:04 <skamster_> ah, ok.. now it's clear :)
May 06 11:05:05 <skamster_> thx
May 06 11:19:21 <khiraly11> doing opkg install -force-overwrite git takes ages
May 06 11:19:26 <khiraly11> like an hour or so
May 06 11:19:45 <methril|work> morning
May 06 11:21:33 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r63c60c1c0e88 10/src/Makefile.am: 
May 06 11:21:33 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Fix vapi name to fso-glib-1.0.vapi
May 06 11:21:33 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: WARNING: This may break you build systems
May 06 11:21:33 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 11:58:29 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r5f6282b43fe5 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in: 
May 06 11:58:29 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Introduce SIMAuthStatus enumeration
May 06 11:58:29 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 11:59:06 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r734b0d945146 10/src/freesmartphone-gsm.vala: 
May 06 11:59:06 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Introduce SIMAuthStatus enumeration
May 06 11:59:06 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 12:01:27 <qknight> how to find out which dialog is executed when pressing the power button on a running system (this shows the shutdown/suspend dialog) which is about 1px in width on my current broken moko
May 06 12:01:43 <qknight> i need to find the program and replace it by a different (so that i have a shutdown dialog again)
May 06 12:02:32 <lindi-> qknight: 1) lsof to see what has /dev/input/event* open
May 06 12:02:42 <lindi-> qknight: 2) strace those to find out what they do when you press power button
May 06 12:04:20 <qknight> cool, thanks!
May 06 12:06:08 <khiraly11> its some enlightenement builtin thing. I think
May 06 12:18:42 <qknight> khiraly11: i would guess so, too
May 06 12:20:37 <qknight> this is the dialog i'm serarchin for http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://dos.outofdate.org/openmoko/shr-unstable/shutdown.png&imgrefurl=http://dos.jogger.pl/2009/02/02/shr-sila-tkwi-w-spolecznosci/&usg=__Y18oKQUXY3V-bUcqWDm6nYl7tLU=&h=640&w=480&sz=134&hl=de&start=34&um=1&tbnid=y7IDR3M29EFOgM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dopenmoko%2Benlightenment%2Bshutdown%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Dde%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:de:official%26hs
May 06 12:20:53 <eolson> Hi, anyone know why a nokia BL-C5 battery phone won't fast charge in a GTA01?  I can only get "pre" mode and 100-200 mA.
May 06 12:21:45 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r69014c708af4 10/odevice/org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.xml.in: 
May 06 12:21:45 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Introduce IdleState enumeration
May 06 12:21:45 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 12:21:58 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * ra419e92f6acd 10/src/freesmartphone-device.vala: 
May 06 12:21:58 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Introduce IdleState enumeration
May 06 12:21:58 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 12:22:29 <eolson> s/battery phone/battery
May 06 12:23:20 <skamster_> PaulFertser: i let it make the make-process, but now, how could i compile a single package?
May 06 12:23:53 <skamster_> i doesn't see a package-dir like in the o-wiki
May 06 12:24:12 <PaulFertser> skamster_: have you already read some introductory OE material?
May 06 12:25:08 <PaulFertser> skamster_: don't count on OM wiki
May 06 12:25:19 <skamster_> no
May 06 12:25:55 <PaulFertser> skamster_: let it run building SHR, you'll need most libraries initially built anyway (and it takes long time).
May 06 12:26:13 <PaulFertser> skamster_: while doing that, read about OE, how to write a recipe etc...
May 06 12:34:19 <khiraly11> re
May 06 12:34:26 <khiraly11> mirko: are you there?
May 06 12:34:56 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r14bc7a0d1de9 10/odevice/org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.xml.in: 
May 06 12:34:56 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Introduce PowerStatus enumeration
May 06 12:34:56 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 12:35:05 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r28f8a574abd5 10/src/freesmartphone-device.vala: 
May 06 12:35:05 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Introduce PowerStatus enumeration
May 06 12:35:05 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 06 12:35:10 <khiraly11> I hitted on the [End Call] button, it clicks, and hanged up the phonecall. But Didnt return the screen and I can hit the End Call again and again
May 06 12:36:41 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.ca/1414164
May 06 12:36:47 <khiraly11> oh mirko is offline
May 06 12:41:45 <khiraly11> I closed paroli, and relaunched using illume
May 06 12:42:09 <khiraly11> Didnt show up, but when I called the phone I get the Tele screen
May 06 12:42:16 <khiraly11> the log file of it:
May 06 12:42:18 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.ca/1414168
May 06 12:49:47 <qknight> how do i save the editing using the flash editor on openstreetmap.org?
May 06 12:49:53 <qknight> i've added a new phone box
May 06 12:49:59 <qknight> and last time it did not save my edits
May 06 12:50:31 <khiraly11> no idea, I was in the same boot waited one week, for seeing my changes got exepted
May 06 12:50:34 <khiraly11> accepted
May 06 12:52:08 <qknight> ah sorry
May 06 12:52:10 <qknight> again wc
May 06 12:52:10 <qknight> hehe
May 06 12:52:17 <qknight> but thanks anyway
May 06 12:52:25 <SpeedEvil> qknight: unless it's in 'play' mode - there is no saving
May 06 12:52:29 <SpeedEvil> qknight: it's live
May 06 12:52:34 <qknight> ok thanks
May 06 12:52:49 <khiraly11> do you know guys where .e stores his .desktop files?
May 06 12:53:02 <SpeedEvil> qknight: you have to select 'edit/play' mode at the start - if you select play, then nothing can be saved
May 06 12:53:19 <SpeedEvil> qknight: also - #osm over on irc.oftc.net
May 06 12:54:55 <qknight> thanks
May 06 12:55:34 <spaetz> khiraly11: there is no changes geeting accepted at OSM
May 06 12:56:06 <spaetz> you change things or you don't. there is no comettee voting on them :)
May 06 12:56:10 <khiraly11> spaetz: but you must wait one week (thursday I think) to see you changes
May 06 12:56:11 <SpeedEvil> Well - there is edit/play mode, which might be confusing.
May 06 12:56:14 <khiraly11> it is not instantly
May 06 12:56:24 <SpeedEvil> Yeah - your changes will show on the editor instantly
May 06 12:56:53 <khiraly11> on the editor yes. But not on the map, what you get when you type openstreetmap.org in your browser
May 06 12:56:57 <SpeedEvil> though you can request that the tiles you're working on be rendered
May 06 12:57:02 <qknight> using josm the changes are visible immediately
May 06 12:57:24 <SpeedEvil> you mean if you download the area, you can see the phonebox?
May 06 12:57:37 <qknight> SpeedEvil: with josm - yes
May 06 12:58:48 <SpeedEvil> josm you have to explicitly upload your changes, with hte flash editor, you're working directly on the db
May 06 13:12:55 <mirko-paroli> raster: hi
May 06 13:13:41 <mirko-paroli> raster: is there any way that I can prevent the kdb from resizing the elm_win ?
May 06 13:14:06 <mirko-paroli> and open the kbd on the layer above instead of the same layer as the win?
May 06 13:15:31 <khiraly11> mirko I have some debug output for you
May 06 13:15:50 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: a nice, can you pastebin it or sth ?
May 06 13:15:53 <khiraly11> (14.35.10) khiraly11: I hitted on the [End Call] button, it clicks, and hanged up the phonecall. But Didnt return the screen and I can hit the End Call again and again
May 06 13:16:03 <khiraly11> (14.36.41) khiraly11: http://pastebin.ca/1414164
May 06 13:16:24 <khiraly11> I closed paroli, and relaunched using illume
May 06 13:16:33 <khiraly11> Didnt show up, but when I called the phone I get the Tele screen
May 06 13:16:44 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.ca/1414168
May 06 13:17:48 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: you are not running it from source, right ?
May 06 13:18:02 <khiraly11> nope it is the default one
May 06 13:18:09 <khiraly11> just finished opkg git
May 06 13:18:15 <khiraly11> took more then 1.5 hour
May 06 13:18:17 <mirko-paroli> ah than the first issue is still the same
May 06 13:18:34 <khiraly11> and Im hunting the .desktop files
May 06 13:18:36 <khiraly11> cant find them
May 06 13:18:45 <mirko-paroli>  /usr/share/applications
May 06 13:19:00 <khiraly11> thx
May 06 13:23:17 <raster> mirko-paroli: no - e forces that as then the app has no way to know that its viible area has been reduced
May 06 13:24:19 <mirko-paroli> raster: hmm
May 06 13:29:29 <raster> mirko-paroli: an app has the entry box at thebottom?
May 06 13:29:32 <raster> nowkbd covers it
May 06 13:29:35 <raster> thats not smart
May 06 13:29:41 <raster> also the app doenst know how big the kbd may be
May 06 13:29:44 <mirko-paroli> raster: no no, I understand, you are correct
May 06 13:29:46 <raster> if it is covering
May 06 13:29:53 <raster> it may be small handwriting one
May 06 13:30:03 <raster> or a hugh one covering most of the visible screen
May 06 13:30:03 <mirko-paroli> it just squeezes my design right now
May 06 13:30:07 <raster> yeah
May 06 13:30:18 <raster> the best thng you can do is adapt when resizing
May 06 13:30:25 <raster> set a RESIZe callback ont he windowbojct
May 06 13:30:37 <raster> and when you resize - checkto see if you still fit
May 06 13:30:40 <raster> if not -disable som things
May 06 13:30:43 <raster> or re-configure the ui
May 06 13:30:51 <raster> ventually i want tohave elmentary be smarter
May 06 13:30:59 <raster> be abl to give widgets priorities for auto-disable of widgets
May 06 13:31:13 <raster> ie if windwos dont fit in window disable the lowest priority ons
May 06 13:31:16 <raster> then try again
May 06 13:31:22 <raster> then the next lowers pri
May 06 13:31:26 <raster> and so onuntil things fit
May 06 13:31:42 <mirko-paroli> ah right
May 06 13:31:47 <raster> also to possibly provide several layouts from the app
May 06 13:31:47 <mirko-paroli> that sounds good
May 06 13:31:54 <khiraly11> if you are calling the illume keyboard when the Tele application open, it resizes the Tele application. are you talking about this mirko?
May 06 13:31:55 <mirko-paroli> yay
May 06 13:31:59 <raster> and elemenrary chooses the layout (set of widgets) that fits best
May 06 13:32:10 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: yepp
May 06 13:32:30 <raster> tats because you use an entry widget
May 06 13:32:41 <raster> and an entry requires a keyboared to enter text into it
May 06 13:32:52 <raster> in this case i would say its just an inappropriate use o widgets :)
May 06 13:33:04 <khiraly11> and why cant be the illume keyboard on top of the application? The window switcher is on top of other application. It does not resize the icons
May 06 13:33:10 <mirko-paroli> raster: we have no kbd in tele
May 06 13:33:29 <mirko-paroli> raster: he opened the kbd with the qwerty button
May 06 13:33:31 <khiraly11> (icons of the homescreen)
May 06 13:33:41 <khiraly11> yepp, with the qwerty button
May 06 13:33:53 <raster> khiraly11:  becausr theswitcher is theretemoraryly and deos nto interact itht he window contets in any ay
May 06 13:33:55 <raster> the kbd does
May 06 13:33:58 <raster> as it enters text
May 06 13:34:20 <raster> mirko-paroli: ooh - well thats just "well it does what you asked it to user"
May 06 13:34:33 <mirko-paroli> raster: can I close the kbd despite the window still being open
May 06 13:34:54 <mirko-paroli> i ask because my bindings don't seem to allow this and I am curious where I should begin debugging ;)
May 06 13:37:52 <raster> mirko-paroli:  yes - the qerty buttons toggles it
May 06 13:38:02 <raster> qwerty
May 06 13:38:06 <khiraly11> raster: GridPad on the other hand was on top of the application and it did interact with it (with the terminal for example). Just I couldnt switch back to illume keyboard, and removed
May 06 13:38:07 <raster> or u mean from your app?
May 06 13:38:25 <raster> khiraly11: if kbd is over app 
May 06 13:38:32 <raster> use the terminal untilthe cursor i at the botom
May 06 13:38:37 <raster> UNDEr the kbd
May 06 13:38:50 <mirko-paroli> raster: yeah my app, like keyboard_win_set
May 06 13:38:52 <raster> its totally useless as u can ee nothngof the command yo0u have entered or its recent ouput
May 06 13:39:20 <raster> use ECORE_X_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD_STATE_OFF
May 06 13:39:21 <khiraly11> if the kbd is transparent a bit, its not a big problem.
May 06 13:39:37 <raster> ecore_x_e_virtual_keyboard_state_set(window, state);
May 06 13:39:39 <raster> and select your state
May 06 13:39:50 <raster> khiraly11:  it canbe be transparent ithout compositing
May 06 13:39:59 <raster> and compositing will royally suck in speed
May 06 13:40:06 <mirko-paroli> raster: I believe that is a function not exposed yet :)
May 06 13:40:18 <mirko-paroli> thx though, that'll point me the right way :)
May 06 13:40:21 <raster> compositing?
May 06 13:40:28 <raster> mirko-paroli: aaah wel its all there in the c api
May 06 13:40:29 <raster> :)
May 06 13:40:42 <mirko-paroli> raster: yeah I saw that, I had dreams about it ;)
May 06 13:40:49 <raster> hehehe
May 06 13:41:18 <mirko-paroli> raster: btw in case I never said it, elementary is a real treat
May 06 13:43:45 <raster> :)
May 06 13:43:46 <raster> thx
May 06 13:43:51 <raster> tho it is far from a complete widget set
May 06 13:43:53 <mirko-paroli> raster: regarding ecore_x_e_virtual_keyboard_state_set() is there any way I can get from an elm window to an ecore_x SoftwareX11 ?
May 06 13:43:54 <raster> it has a ways to go
May 06 13:44:05 <raster> but - its a start at a device-ui-toolkit
May 06 13:44:08 <raster> not a desktop one
May 06 13:44:25 <raster> hmmm
May 06 13:44:38 <raster> ys there is
May 06 13:44:56 <raster>    EAPI Ecore_X_Window elm_win_xwindow_get(const Evas_Object *obj);
May 06 13:44:58 <raster> notew
May 06 13:45:11 <mirko-paroli> but that gives me the xid
May 06 13:45:14 <raster> it will ,make the app not "portable" from x
May 06 13:45:18 <raster> it will be tied to x then
May 06 13:45:22 <raster> yup
May 06 13:45:28 <mirko-paroli> hmm
May 06 13:45:30 <mirko-paroli> ok
May 06 13:45:39 <mirko-paroli> the py bindings are not as flexible as the orig
May 06 13:46:05 <raster> the problem ithall these bindings is a never ending list of "functions/featues you just cant get to"
May 06 13:46:11 <raster> that are there in the c :(
May 06 13:46:33 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 06 13:46:59 <mirko-paroli> and any binding apart from the elm one is too complex for me ...
May 06 13:48:24 <raster> hahaha
May 06 13:48:57 <mirko-paroli> they are not too closely modeled on the orig but rather implement new stuff as well
May 06 13:49:02 <mirko-paroli> they are not generic
May 06 13:51:01 <raster> alos elementary has scuked me away from illume/ for awhile
May 06 13:51:21 <raster> its probably a good thing, but there will com a tim when elementary goes on holdfor awhile for some e/illume work
May 06 13:54:05 <khiraly11> missing newlines at the end of file:
May 06 13:54:06 <khiraly11> paroli-applications/msgs2/edje/default/message_details.edc
May 06 13:54:06 <khiraly11> paroli-applications/msgs2/edje/default/stringsetting.edc
May 06 13:54:06 <khiraly11> paroli-applications/msgs2/edje/default/numbersetting.edc
May 06 13:54:13 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 06 13:54:17 <mirko-paroli> it is me being messy
May 06 13:54:22 <mirko-paroli> nothing to worry ;)
May 06 13:55:03 <khiraly11> opkg takes eternity to finish. half an hour and so
May 06 13:59:46 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: what are you installing?
May 06 14:00:01 <khiraly11> reinstalling: busybox
May 06 14:00:27 <Bert_2> shr-unstable seems partely broken, I'm having probs updating, is that correct ?
May 06 14:00:34 <khiraly11> git required findutils, but findutils didnt installed because it conflicted with busybox (find and an other command)
May 06 14:00:50 <khiraly11> so I removed find believing findutils will provide one
May 06 14:01:07 <khiraly11> but didnt. And there is no mc on freerunner, I require some searching tool
May 06 14:01:13 <khiraly11> so I want find back;)
May 06 14:01:20 <mirko-paroli> hehe
May 06 14:01:37 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: do you do any coding/scripting?
May 06 14:01:53 <khiraly11> on the freerunner? I just got yesterday;)
May 06 14:02:01 <mirko-paroli> in general
May 06 14:02:18 <khiraly11> yepp, some python musing. Mainly pyjamas right now
May 06 14:02:32 <khiraly11> but it run a bit slow on the freerunner
May 06 14:02:48 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: translation tool?
May 06 14:02:58 <mirko-paroli> oh sry
May 06 14:03:01 <mirko-paroli> misread
May 06 14:03:06 <khiraly11> (pyjamas generated javascript+html file. Like gwt)
May 06 14:03:18 <mirko-paroli> hmm
May 06 14:03:45 <khiraly11> oh yeah. Im definietly planning some dictionnary app. As I have an excellent database (hungarian-english, hungarian-german) with me
May 06 14:04:03 <mirko-paroli> hui
May 06 14:04:15 <mirko-paroli> not sure if illume-kbd can be tweaked to hae 2 dicts
May 06 14:04:18 <mirko-paroli> have
May 06 14:04:21 <mirko-paroli> and 2 layouts
May 06 14:04:53 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: I have some ideas for usefull apps loosely based on paroli
May 06 14:05:03 <mirko-paroli> it is all plugin based
May 06 14:05:08 <mirko-paroli> so easy to integrate stuff
May 06 14:05:12 <mirko-paroli> but I lack the time :(
May 06 14:05:59 <khiraly11> just I thought pyjamas would enough to make an easy page with suggestion box, for a dict app. But the speed (midori) is not promising at all. And there is no developping (javascript debugging tool like firebug) for it
May 06 14:06:37 <mirko-paroli> yepp the browsers out there are not too fast 
May 06 14:06:39 <khiraly11> Writing nice gui like a webpage is way easier as writing desktop guis (gtk, elf)
May 06 14:06:42 <mirko-paroli> on the FR anyhow
May 06 14:06:52 <mirko-paroli> ah, elm is super simple
May 06 14:07:06 <mirko-paroli> plus there is already styles in paroli to reuse :)
May 06 14:07:49 <khiraly11> And therefore limited?;) Like the calculator, if you write to much numbers the buttons(0-9, +,-,*,/) beginnes growing;)
May 06 14:08:06 <mirko-paroli> calculator?
May 06 14:08:10 <khiraly11> in shr
May 06 14:08:13 <mirko-paroli> ah
May 06 14:08:16 <mirko-paroli> yeah no
May 06 14:08:24 <mirko-paroli> I am not speaking shr here ;)
May 06 14:08:29 <khiraly11> there is a nice calculator app. Looks like e to me
May 06 14:08:33 <mirko-paroli> yepp
May 06 14:08:42 <mirko-paroli> I think I know which one that is and who made it :)
May 06 14:10:27 <khiraly11> so currently Im on three project: an online svg drawing program using pyjamas (main focus), testing paroli as I got my freerunner, develop a dictionary for freerunner, develop a note application on the go (finger based, some predefined listbox all over) for ease my job
May 06 14:10:45 <khiraly11> oops, its four
May 06 14:11:16 <mirko-paroli> sounds like a nice mix ;)
May 06 14:11:22 <khiraly11> so I have some limited skill in python if that was you original question
May 06 14:11:46 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: should be focusing rather on one, as my day is limited to only 24 hours
May 06 14:11:53 <khiraly11> ;)
May 06 14:11:55 <mirko-paroli> nah
May 06 14:11:57 <mirko-paroli> mix is good
May 06 14:12:40 <khiraly11> so if pyjamas is not a viable option on freerunner I will look at paroli to implement my touch based interface
May 06 14:12:43 <khiraly11> ;)
May 06 14:12:47 <mirko-paroli> ;)
May 06 14:13:14 <khiraly11> doh this busybox install takes ages
May 06 14:13:31 <khiraly11> cant use the phone, although I can ping it
May 06 14:14:18 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra1737528e70c 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
May 06 14:14:18 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Revert "odeviced: fix idlenotifier" for now
May 06 14:14:18 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 516f48762ab7afa4e4702a0ba01bc0a004ae4c60 which -- for a reason yet unknown --
May 06 14:14:20 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: exposes FSO #416.
May 06 14:14:42 <khiraly11> need a hard reset button on the phone
May 06 14:14:54 <khiraly11> the plastic cover will wear out soon
May 06 14:15:36 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: how paroli is autolaunched?
May 06 14:15:57 <khiraly11> e starts as /usr/bin/paroli or /usr/share/applicatons/paroli.desktop
May 06 14:16:35 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: e launches the desktop file
May 06 14:16:43 <khiraly11> Im asking because if I change the .desktop file to point on the development paroli, is it enough?
May 06 14:16:47 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: ok
May 06 14:16:48 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 06 14:16:50 <mirko-paroli> perfect
May 06 14:17:08 <mirko-paroli> afk for a few min
May 06 14:19:09 <khiraly11> __init__.py 297 gui      INFO     renewing callbacks
May 06 14:19:09 <khiraly11> wifi.py 86 wifi     WARNING  can't use wifi service : local variable 'obj' referenced before assignment
May 06 14:19:09 <khiraly11> service.py 128 Service  ERROR    Can't init service Wifi : local variable 'obj' referenced before assignment
May 06 14:21:49 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: calling seems to be broken
May 06 14:22:57 <khiraly11> when I type the number, and hit the call button, it starts the timer immediately (00:01, 00:02, etc) but never rings on the other end
May 06 14:23:57 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.ca/1414253
May 06 14:24:17 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli:  ^^the log
May 06 14:28:16 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.ca/1414255 <-- just the "Call" button push
May 06 14:29:07 <khiraly11> when I pushed the "End Call" button http://pastebin.ca/1414256
May 06 14:32:43 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: looks like a demo application;)
May 06 14:35:43 <khiraly11> ok
May 06 14:38:12 <khiraly11> calling is not working at all. Neither from Tele neither from I/O neither from People
May 06 14:43:09 <badcloud> hey all
May 06 14:43:29 <badcloud> can someone point me to April 14th shr testing image_ 
May 06 14:43:31 <badcloud> ?
May 06 14:44:10 <badcloud> never mind
May 06 14:44:12 <badcloud> found it
May 06 14:44:28 <khiraly11> sms sending is failing too
May 06 14:45:30 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: http://pastebin.ca/1414275
May 06 14:45:36 <khiraly11> there is an exception
May 06 14:46:24 <khiraly11> would be nice to print the whole exception, not just hte reason (takes exactly 4 arguments (5 given)
May 06 14:46:33 <khiraly11> like what were the arguments, etc
May 06 14:46:39 <khiraly11> doh
May 06 14:47:06 <badcloud> khiraly11 which image?
May 06 14:47:13 <khiraly11> raster: im pretty mad to you keyboard. It autosuggested my name as "useless". It has a soul?
May 06 14:47:24 <khiraly11> badcloud: om2009, but changed paroli to todays git
May 06 14:47:51 <khiraly11> I can switch back, just it has some bugs which are already corrected. At least that what mirko states;)
May 06 14:48:02 <badcloud> could you fill me in? what are paroli, git, etc.?
May 06 14:48:11 <khiraly11> oh sure
May 06 14:48:44 <khiraly11> git is version controlling system like svn, csv, bazaar, etc. So to obtain the latest-latest development version
May 06 14:48:46 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: yeah old ones corrected, but I've hidden new ones to be discovered ;)
May 06 14:49:04 <badcloud> hmmm, thanks
May 06 14:49:07 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: nice you are back. At least phoning should be restored. 
May 06 14:49:23 <badcloud> still in the dark, but I'll look those up sometime
May 06 14:49:43 <khiraly11> badcloud: paroli is an excellent phone application where phonebook, call log, dialer, sms is integrated, and are responsible as hell. No need to wait
May 06 14:50:01 <badcloud> got it
May 06 14:50:08 <khiraly11> shr provides individual applications for all this task and you need to wait 8-15sec to launch dialer for example
May 06 14:50:13 <badcloud> I'm testing April 16th now
May 06 14:50:20 <badcloud> I think I made a booboo though
May 06 14:50:47 <badcloud> after replacing the resource.py located in... can't remember
May 06 14:50:53 <badcloud> dos1 gave it to me
May 06 14:51:11 <badcloud> said it would fix the suspend in 27th of April I think
May 06 14:51:22 <badcloud> I applied it to April 16th
May 06 14:51:48 <badcloud> after 3 day gsm wouldn't work
May 06 14:51:54 <badcloud> *days
May 06 14:52:24 <badcloud> anyone know which .py I'm referring to?
May 06 14:53:10 <khiraly11> badcloud: no idea. I didnt use my phone for 3 days. I got mine the day before yesterday
May 06 14:53:12 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: did you notice the fixed next button ?
May 06 14:53:22 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: can we debug the phoning ?
May 06 14:53:24 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: nope
May 06 14:53:36 <khiraly11> I'll be back in 15 minutes
May 06 14:53:38 <badcloud> congrats on your new, exciting paperweight, khiraly
May 06 14:54:53 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: message error fix is int git
May 06 14:57:48 <badcloud> well, I'll test April 16th again without %^&* with the system and report back
May 06 14:58:33 <badcloud> *%^&ing with the system
May 06 15:26:20 <slaxxer> shr may 3 testing work ok for anybody?/
May 06 15:31:10 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: Im updateing
May 06 15:31:28 <mirko-paroli> k
May 06 15:32:42 <khiraly11> (16.53.38) badcloud: congrats on your new, exciting paperweight, khiraly <-- I knew what I bought
May 06 15:33:24 <khiraly11> I try it out;)
May 06 15:33:36 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: any idea what happened with the phone call part?
May 06 15:33:45 <mirko-paroli> in what sense?
May 06 15:33:53 <khiraly11> that I cant call
May 06 15:34:05 <mirko-paroli> still not?
May 06 15:34:14 <mirko-paroli> what happens?
May 06 15:34:17 <khiraly11> I can call, and when I push the "Call" button the timer starts immediately but never get called the other end
May 06 15:34:20 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 06 15:34:21 <khiraly11> still not?
May 06 15:34:22 <mirko-paroli> sry
May 06 15:34:30 <khiraly11> ok, I'll try it immediately
May 06 15:34:31 <mirko-paroli> in the paroli-scripts folder
May 06 15:34:39 <mirko-paroli> there is a paroli.cfg
May 06 15:34:46 <mirko-paroli> that one is used now
May 06 15:34:53 <mirko-paroli> it is set to use the testing services
May 06 15:35:30 <PBeck> ahoi
May 06 15:36:02 <khiraly11> I see
May 06 15:36:12 <mirko-paroli> in there you finn
May 06 15:36:13 <khiraly11> I need to comment out the defaults = line
May 06 15:36:17 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 06 15:37:00 <khiraly11> moblin failed
May 06 15:37:13 <khiraly11> I dont need wifi anyway
May 06 15:38:17 <mirko-paroli> hrhr
May 06 15:38:51 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: when In I/O and I click on one item it should simply start the Tele application with the number but WITHOUT calling it
May 06 15:38:59 <khiraly11> I can accidentally hit any member
May 06 15:39:12 <mirko-paroli> hmm
May 06 15:39:18 <mirko-paroli> that is easier said then done
May 06 15:39:22 <khiraly11> and it takes 5-6 sec to change the Tele screen
May 06 15:39:39 <khiraly11> and no feedback here either
May 06 15:39:55 <mirko-paroli> ?
May 06 15:40:03 <mirko-paroli> can you be a bit more precise ? ;)
May 06 15:40:30 <khiraly11> If I push on one item in I/O there is no feedback (either audio: click or visual: like a button)
May 06 15:40:56 <khiraly11> it looks like nothing happened, but after 5-6 sec the Tele starts and it already initiated the call
May 06 15:41:10 <khiraly11> already started to call the other party
May 06 15:41:20 <mirko-paroli> 5-6s ?
May 06 15:41:29 <khiraly11> hmm
May 06 15:41:34 <khiraly11> maybe because the debugging?
May 06 15:41:35 <mirko-paroli> that ain't good
May 06 15:41:40 <khiraly11> I started via ssh
May 06 15:41:54 <khiraly11> ok. I write a .desktop file and start paroli via it
May 06 15:41:56 <khiraly11> one sec
May 06 15:41:58 <mirko-paroli> it still shouldn't take that long
May 06 15:42:32 <khiraly11> ok, I examine the output on the terminal if I see something strange
May 06 15:43:22 <khiraly11> In the log you should print the time to make some rough measure
May 06 15:43:32 <khiraly11> its about 3-4 sec actually
May 06 15:46:44 <khiraly11> 4.1 sec
May 06 15:46:54 <mirko-paroli> u
May 06 15:46:56 <mirko-paroli> not good
May 06 15:46:56 <khiraly11> stopwatched with time.time()
May 06 15:48:27 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.ca/1414338
May 06 15:48:45 <khiraly11> ^^ are you changing the profile three times?
May 06 15:48:51 <khiraly11> or am I reading wrongly this log?
May 06 15:49:16 <khiraly11> I relaunch directly from the gui and measure it from there
May 06 15:49:17 <mirko-paroli> it could just be a callback
May 06 15:49:21 <khiraly11> what is the difference
May 06 15:49:36 <mirko-paroli> that one only sets the gui output
May 06 15:49:40 <mirko-paroli> so no real chane
May 06 15:49:41 <mirko-paroli> change
May 06 15:50:00 <khiraly11> you should write the time (since started paroli) in the output
May 06 15:50:06 <khiraly11> like dmesg do
May 06 15:53:09 <khiraly11> hmm my vi skill is limited. How can I delete a linebreak?
May 06 15:54:00 <khiraly11> J
May 06 15:54:25 <mirko-paroli>  http://www.cs.colostate.edu/helpdocs/vi.html
May 06 15:54:33 <khiraly11> J
May 06 15:54:35 <khiraly11> join line
May 06 15:55:11 <khiraly11> how the hell could it be so adapted this vi;)
May 06 15:57:23 <khiraly11> is there a log why it does not start paroli?
May 06 15:57:43 <khiraly11> I adapted the .desktop file it showed up on the desktop, but when I click on it nothing happens
May 06 15:57:54 <khiraly11> I chmod 755 paroli-launcher.sh
May 06 15:58:05 <khiraly11> and changed #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/sh
May 06 16:06:29 <khiraly11> hmm
May 06 16:06:41 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: paroli launcher script should have a --cwd option
May 06 16:06:46 <khiraly11> maybe this is the problem
May 06 16:06:55 <mirko-paroli> --cwd =?
May 06 16:07:03 <khiraly11> change working directory
May 06 16:07:09 <mirko-paroli> ah
May 06 16:07:12 <khiraly11> like what you do within the script file
May 06 16:07:15 <khiraly11> just from python
May 06 16:07:47 <khiraly11> because e does not start my paroli script
May 06 16:07:53 <khiraly11> the .sh one
May 06 16:08:08 <khiraly11> I'll hack in it
May 06 16:08:15 <mirko-paroli> hehe ok
May 06 16:21:56 <khiraly11> implemented
May 06 16:22:00 <khiraly11> must be something else
May 06 16:22:10 <khiraly11> e does not launch paroli this way either
May 06 16:22:17 <mirko-paroli> hmm
May 06 16:22:23 <mirko-paroli> it should work without it ...
May 06 16:22:55 <khiraly11> is there somewhere a logfile from e?
May 06 16:22:59 <khiraly11> to see where it fails
May 06 16:26:30 <khiraly11> no idea why it fails
May 06 16:31:37 <khiraly11> from commandline I can start it directly
May 06 16:32:03 <khiraly11> /usr/share/nfs-paroli/paroli-scripts/paroli --cwd=/usr/share/nfs-paroli/paroli-scripts --cfgfile=/usr/share/nfs-paroli/paroli-scripts/paroli.cfg 
May 06 16:33:19 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: how do you use paroli?
May 06 16:33:23 <khiraly11> always from terminal?
May 06 16:33:28 <mirko-paroli> yepp
May 06 16:33:54 <khiraly11> doh. You do have a regular mobile phone
May 06 16:34:02 <khiraly11> eat your own dogfood;))
May 06 16:34:11 <khiraly11> ok, I restart the phone maybe e requires it
May 06 16:34:20 <khiraly11> but it reloards the desktop files
May 06 16:34:24 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: i don't really use a mobile phone
May 06 16:34:29 <mirko-paroli> at least not right now
May 06 16:34:44 <khiraly11> you must be in the middle of nowhere. ;)
May 06 16:34:49 <mirko-paroli> and I am trying to get paroli to the point where I can use the FR to get my mail and chat
May 06 16:34:51 <mirko-paroli> hehe
May 06 16:34:56 <mirko-paroli> no I jsut moved around a lot
May 06 16:35:00 <mirko-paroli> so not many people call
May 06 16:35:01 <mirko-paroli> ;)
May 06 16:36:16 <khiraly11> doh
May 06 16:36:21 <khiraly11> # This is to make sure that we use the local tichy lib if run from the     
May 06 16:36:21 <khiraly11> # test directory                                                           
May 06 16:36:21 <khiraly11> sys.path.insert(0, '../paroli-core/')                                      
May 06 16:36:21 <khiraly11> sys.path.insert(0, '../paroli-graphics-backend/')    
May 06 16:36:29 <mirko-paroli> ;)
May 06 16:36:52 <khiraly11> it should be inserted when you set up the paths
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 06 17:43:21 2009
May 06 17:44:02 <khiraly1> like managing my money;)
May 06 17:44:36 <mirko-paroli> k need to lay down, my head is killing me
May 06 17:44:37 <khiraly1> I spent so much that I need a database engine for it to keep it up
May 06 17:44:48 <khiraly1> mirko-paroli: thank you for your help btw!
May 06 17:45:04 <khiraly1> paroli looks good now. I will test some days and report back
May 06 17:45:06 <mirko-paroli> khiraly1: no problem, i need feedback 
May 06 17:45:10 <mirko-paroli> :)
May 06 17:45:16 <mirko-paroli> sure you know where to find me ;)
May 06 17:45:25 <mirko-paroli> I'll get your patch in tomorrow
May 06 17:45:49 <khiraly1> a simple note application could be handy also
May 06 17:45:52 <khiraly1> like sms app
May 06 17:46:04 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 06 17:46:15 <mirko-paroli> should be easy to fix as well *hint, hint*
May 06 17:46:16 <mirko-paroli> ;)
May 06 17:46:51 <khiraly1> :)
May 06 17:47:34 <mirko-paroli> cya
May 06 17:47:34 <khiraly1> mirko-paroli: one big todo is adapt the illume top bar to paroli look
May 06 17:47:42 <mirko-paroli> hehe
May 06 17:47:46 <khiraly1> and remove the paroli topbar, when windowed mode
May 06 17:48:03 <khiraly1> i think virtual desktops are a bit overkill for this phone
May 06 17:48:05 <mirko-paroli> well the illume topbar doesn't show the gprs status
May 06 17:48:12 <mirko-paroli> the topbar is optional already
May 06 17:48:16 <mirko-paroli> it is all there ;)
May 06 17:48:26 <mirko-paroli> but no gprs module for illume
May 06 17:48:27 <mirko-paroli> afaik
May 06 17:48:34 <dos1> someone should work about modules for illume
May 06 17:48:38 <dos1> s/about/on/
May 06 17:48:44 * mirko-paroli nods
May 06 17:49:01 <dos1> even current GSM module needs some love
May 06 17:49:09 <mirko-paroli> dos1: got some to spare?
May 06 17:49:11 <khiraly1> mirko-paroli: and how are your future plans? shr seems like a good distro. But paroli is a musthave ...
May 06 17:49:28 <mirko-paroli> paroli runs on shr but its home is om2009
May 06 17:49:46 <khiraly1> and om cant create a distro on his own. om2009 does not polished much;)
May 06 17:49:48 <dos1> mirko-paroli: i don't know how to write e modules... and now i'm busy about opimd and shr-settings ;)
May 06 17:50:03 <mirko-paroli> dos1: hehe, almost the same here
May 06 17:50:31 <dos1> that's why i said "someone" ;)
May 06 17:50:36 <mirko-paroli> khiraly1: give angus a bit time, it'll be there
May 06 17:50:50 <mirko-paroli> dos1: i know, but I think om2009 and shr should push that
May 06 17:50:53 <mirko-paroli> as we need it
May 06 17:51:16 <mirko-paroli> i added it to my todo
May 06 17:51:23 <mirko-paroli> let's see if I can fix sth up
May 06 17:51:43 <dos1> fine :)
May 06 17:51:43 <mirko-paroli> or at least get an idea of how it works
May 06 17:51:55 <mirko-paroli> but don't get your hopes up
May 06 17:52:41 <mirko-paroli> k i am done
May 06 17:52:44 <mirko-paroli> cya guys
May 06 17:55:34 <DocScrutinizer> cya mirko
May 06 18:06:44 <nio_> Heya. question: does OM2008.12 use that anti-echo AT command thing by default?
May 06 18:09:15 <dos1> nio_: Om2008 is unsupported, and AFAIR - no
May 06 18:11:53 <nio_> Unsupported? Hmmz, so I have to implement that myself then. I assume I can find it in the wiki?
May 06 18:14:56 <dos1> nio_: i think you have to use supported distro ;)
May 06 18:15:09 <dos1> opimd support is coming to SHR
May 06 18:15:17 <dos1> Om2009 looks good
May 06 18:16:08 <khiraly1> om2009 mostly works
May 06 18:16:40 <dos1> only think i miss in SHR is opimd
May 06 18:16:47 <dos1> and i'm working on it now ;)
May 06 18:17:28 <nio_> opimd?
May 06 18:17:46 <dos1> nio_: PIM support for FSO
May 06 18:17:51 <nio_> ah, ok
May 06 18:18:28 <khiraly1> hmm where are the illume keyboard maps defined?
May 06 18:18:32 <nio_> Well, I'm most bothered by the echo, so that's my main concern. Can't make a single call without the other person complaining about it.
May 06 18:18:41 <khiraly1> got it
May 06 18:18:48 <dos1> nio_: so use recent distro ;)
May 06 18:19:02 <dos1> all FSO based distros has echo fixed by default
May 06 18:19:34 <nio_> really? hmmz, better look into that then. Thought I'd be safer with the official distro :)
May 06 18:20:06 <dos1> nio_: official distro, Om2009, is FSO based ;)
May 06 18:20:35 <bumbl> dos1: i have to write a bugreport because yes/no button positions swap through the shr core apps
May 06 18:20:54 <dos1> nio_: and one of community distro, SHR, is really good in my opinion ;)
May 06 18:21:02 <dos1> bumbl: deleting contacts?
May 06 18:21:08 <dos1> i noticed that too
May 06 18:21:24 <nio_> Okay, I'll try SHR again then. Thanks :)
May 06 18:21:28 <bumbl> dos1: deleting contacts, exiting sms,...
May 06 18:21:34 <bumbl> they swap all the time
May 06 18:21:48 <bumbl> and i always accidently hit the wrong button
May 06 18:22:22 <nio_> Maybe you should hit the wrong button on purpose then. :)
May 06 18:24:31 <solar_george> hi, I've been trying to build gthumb image viewer using OE from the from scratch info here (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded), the build is failing at DO PACKAGE QA and i was wondering if anyone could help me debug it? (build log - http://pastebin.com/m10a5efef)
May 06 18:31:12 <khiraly1> how can I create a new dictionary for the illume keyboard?
May 06 18:32:48 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, probably raster should publish his secrete tools
May 06 18:34:27 <khiraly1> doh
May 06 18:34:56 <dos1> khiraly1: it's just text file
May 06 18:35:03 <khiraly1> jeje
May 06 18:35:13 <khiraly1> just, how can I generate for a different language?
May 06 18:35:16 <khiraly1> not english
May 06 18:35:29 <khiraly1> you mean I should write down all the texts by hand?
May 06 18:35:39 <khiraly1> and calculate the frequency for each word?
May 06 18:35:45 <khiraly1> must be some tool for this
May 06 18:35:49 <dos1> khiraly1: by some script... and don't use frequency
May 06 18:35:53 <dos1> just ;)
May 06 18:36:16 <khiraly1> where are the system dict stored?
May 06 18:37:10 <dos1> something like /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts/
May 06 18:37:43 <khiraly1> yepp
May 06 18:38:15 <khiraly1> If I add a new .dic will it be loaded on the fly?
May 06 18:39:54 <khiraly1> it appears, just cant select it
May 06 18:40:36 <solar_george> <khiraly1> I used this bodge http://pastebin.com/d3e7032fe to make an en_GB.dic from /usr/share/myspell/dicts/en_GB.dic work with illume (no frequency though)
May 06 18:40:52 <khiraly1> solar_george: thx for the hint!
May 06 18:41:08 <solar_george> hope it works for you
May 06 18:41:18 <khiraly1> but how can you select dicts on the fly?
May 06 18:41:24 <khiraly1> there are some tricks involved?
May 06 18:41:38 <khiraly1> because I created a dic, named EV.dic
May 06 18:41:45 <khiraly1> and it appears just cant select it
May 06 18:42:24 <solar_george> not sure - i'd try rebooting/restarting illume to be on the safe side
May 06 18:43:58 <khiraly1> hmm
May 06 18:44:18 <khiraly1> I can select my dict, just looks like always the second item is highlighted
May 06 19:12:17 <nio_> Oh wow, SHR looks so much better than OM2008.12
May 06 19:18:05 <khiraly1> oh my god
May 06 19:18:14 <khiraly1> this illume keyboard absolutely rocks
May 06 19:23:54 <qknight> khiraly1: is that that probabilistic one? or the terminal one?
May 06 19:24:02 <qknight> i hate the first one since it never works for my use case
May 06 19:32:06 <khiraly1> qknight: the probabilistic one
May 06 19:32:15 <khiraly1> I created a custom dict for my usecase
May 06 19:32:20 <khiraly1> and works *AWESOME*
May 06 19:32:37 <qknight> very good idea
May 06 19:32:39 <khiraly1> the dict contains only 20 element, and I only want them to write it
May 06 19:32:41 <qknight> i should do that also
May 06 19:32:48 <qknight> cd /
May 06 19:32:51 <qknight> rm -Rf *
May 06 19:32:53 <qknight> i guess ;-)
May 06 19:33:27 <khiraly1> nope, some acronym for my work. I wnat to note on site (away from any keyboard). I do it right now using pencil and paper
May 06 19:33:36 <khiraly1> and I want to replace it with this phone;)
May 06 19:39:35 <khiraly1> qknight: for terminal I would create a keyboard where capslock would change between letters and special letters (/^`@,.'")
May 06 19:39:39 <khiraly1> and create a dict for it
May 06 19:39:55 <khiraly1> its 2 max 3 day of work
May 06 19:40:06 <khiraly1> and *everybody* can do it. No programing required
May 06 19:44:54 <grummel> 5
May 06 19:44:56 <grummel> dddd
May 06 19:49:00 <qknight> khiraly1: the bigges issue would be making a good usability
May 06 20:30:26 <plhardy> hi
May 06 20:31:08 <plhardy> i am tryyying to understand a little how bluetooth wrok, i try to make my bluetooth headset working
May 06 20:32:30 <plhardy>  dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org
May 06 20:32:30 <plhardy> .bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.GetMode 
May 06 20:32:30 <plhardy> Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "GetMode" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist
May 06 20:34:48 <plhardy> bluez4 package is installed, why doesn't it provide dbus Adpater interface ?
May 06 20:37:55 <plhardy> i don't know dbus enough to know what the problem, seem Adapter existist but has no GetMode method
May 06 20:38:15 <plhardy> is there a way to list method of an Object ?
May 06 20:39:18 <wurp2|working> plhardy: mdbus -s /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter
May 06 20:40:27 <plhardy>  mdbus -s /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter
May 06 20:40:27 <plhardy> Service name not found
May 06 20:40:59 <plhardy> wurp2|working: thanks for the command even if i don't manage yet to understand the result
May 06 20:41:34 <wurp2|working> plhardy: Welcome, me neither ;-)
May 06 20:41:47 <wurp2|working> How about just mdbus  -s /org/bluez/hci0
May 06 20:42:00 <wurp2|working> Oh, wait, sorry
May 06 20:42:05 <wurp2|working> add a -l
May 06 20:43:46 <plhardy> it dump a python traceback
May 06 20:43:55 <plhardy> ValueError: Invalid bus name '/org/bluez/hci0': contains invalid character '/'
May 06 20:47:28 <plhardy> mdbus -s org.bluez.Adapter /org/bluez/hci0 -l
May 06 20:47:32 <plhardy> is better
May 06 20:49:41 <plhardy> Usage: /usr/bin/mdbus [-s] [-l] [ busname [ objectpath [ methodname [ parameters... ] ] ] ]
May 06 20:49:54 <plhardy> seems weird , busname is first ...
May 06 20:51:19 <plhardy> mdbus -s org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter   
May 06 20:51:19 <plhardy> /org/bluez/hci0: Adapter failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod
May 06 20:51:51 <wurp2|working> You need the -l to tell it to list the directory, rather than trying to call a method
May 06 20:52:17 <wurp2|working> crap
May 06 20:52:20 <wurp2|working> I'm lying to you
May 06 20:52:36 <plhardy> -l seems to listening to events
May 06 20:52:47 <wurp2|working> It should be mdbus -s foo.blah /foo/blah, as you said
May 06 20:52:58 <wurp2|working> You're right :-0)
May 06 20:53:27 <plhardy> but i still don't get what i want, i miss so many things with dbus
May 06 20:55:09 <wurp2|working> So what does mdbus -s org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 do?
May 06 20:55:39 <plhardy> just.. nothing.
May 06 20:55:58 <wurp2|working> "mdbus -s org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0" has no output?
May 06 20:56:06 <plhardy> root@om-gta02 ~ $ mdbus -s org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0                            
May 06 20:56:06 <plhardy> root@om-gta02 ~ $
May 06 20:56:11 <wurp2|working> poop
May 06 20:56:27 <khiraly1> mirko: the SMS sending application does not seem to work either
May 06 20:56:27 <wurp2|working> How about "mdbus -s org.bluez"?
May 06 20:57:33 <plhardy> wurp2|working: this one seems better, it list hierarchy from / to /org/bluez/1527/hci0
May 06 20:57:44 <wurp2|working> Aha!
May 06 20:57:45 <plhardy> i think my problem is due to that 1527
May 06 20:57:48 <wurp2|working> exactly
May 06 20:58:04 <wurp2|working> And that number is different every time you restart bluez :-(
May 06 20:58:05 <plhardy> YES !
May 06 20:58:47 <plhardy> root      1527  0.0  1.1   3228  1440 ?        Ss   21:27   0:01 /usr/sbin/bluetoothd
May 06 20:59:00 <plhardy> its pid of bluetoothd
May 06 20:59:16 <wurp2|working> That would explain why it's different every time :-)
May 06 20:59:24 <wurp2|working> I have my scripts parse it out and use it for later calls
May 06 21:00:13 <plhardy> it is when you have mutlple bluetooth controller on the same host ?
May 06 21:00:25 <plhardy> seems overkill but...
May 06 21:01:54 <plhardy> argh its hardcoded (def SetupSignals( self ) :
May 06 21:01:54 <plhardy>         self.bus.add_signal_receiver( self.disc_started_signal, 'DiscoveryStarted', 'org.bluez.Adapter', 'org.bluez', '/org/bluez/hci0'))
May 06 21:02:22 <plhardy> is there a way to create stupid object aliases ...
May 06 21:02:48 <plhardy> well a easy and bad workaround
May 06 21:03:51 <plhardy> there are not so many of those in python scripts, might worth to replace them
May 06 21:05:28 <wurp2|working> Sorry, distracted from chatting by work
May 06 21:06:10 <wurp2|working> The only way I know to create an alias in dbus would be to code a pass-through service and advertise it on your desired alias
May 06 21:06:46 <plhardy> wurp2|working: well it is not a so big problem, it is hardcoded but in a python script, then it is easy to fix
May 06 21:07:15 <plhardy> it would be really more difficult to code a proxy passthrough just for that
May 06 21:07:47 <plhardy> and not efficient dsince two events will be generated back an forth
May 06 21:07:51 <wurp2|working> Yeah, hardcoded in python doesn't mean quite the same thing as in C ;-)
May 06 21:08:18 <plhardy> sure
May 06 21:09:28 <solar_george> can anyone suggest how to fix http://pastebin.com/d75a39e03 while compiling gthumb
May 06 21:11:05 <Zorkman> lol solar_george; didn't you also reply on the mailinglist thread about solarpowered batteries?
May 06 21:11:15 <Zorkman> I found it a funny coincidence
May 06 21:11:18 <solar_george> yes
May 06 21:11:41 <solar_george> i do some volunteer work to do with renewable energy
May 06 21:11:47 <solar_george> thus solar_george
May 06 21:12:07 <slaxxer> yea
May 06 21:12:15 <DocScrutinizer> wurp2|working: just the python on OM-OS is going vala eventually
May 06 21:12:17 <Zorkman> super, my new job will maybe also be about solar and wind energy
May 06 21:12:29 <solar_george> cool
May 06 21:12:31 <plhardy> i bet that SetMode does not exist anymore
May 06 21:12:39 <Zorkman> anyway, it was the "i liek childisch jokes" part in me that found it funny :)
May 06 21:12:51 <plhardy> [METHOD]    org.bluez.Adapter.SetProperty( s:None, v:None )
May 06 21:13:09 <plhardy> i would guess that it is SetProperty('Mode',x)
May 06 21:13:27 <wurp2|working> DocScrutinizer: OS?
May 06 21:13:29 <solar_george> <Zorkman> me too - if i see a thread like that i feel i have to reply
May 06 21:13:51 <DocScrutinizer> wurp2|working: ok, call it framework
May 06 21:14:07 <wurp2|working> I know about the Vala movement - I was staying at ptitjes' place for 3 weeks, ending about 4 weeks ago :-)
May 06 21:16:16 <plhardy> 'Discoverable': False
May 06 21:16:32 <DocScrutinizer> wurp2|working: nevermind, just a silly comment about "hardcoded vs python"
May 06 21:17:13 <wurp2|working> DocScrutinizer: Sorry, whoosh
May 06 21:17:36 <wurp2|working> Hrm
May 06 21:17:42 <wurp2|working> A Vala interpreter would be very cool
May 06 21:18:02 <wurp2|working> So you could do in-place changes, with the penalty being it would be much slower until you compile
May 06 21:19:51 <plhardy> uhm there is no Property 'Mode'
May 06 21:24:28 <jonquark> The SHR tweaks page suggests using klogd -c 1 to speed up suspend/resume but it seems to not make any difference to me on the latest SHR testing. Is it just me?
May 06 21:24:48 <jonquark> (suspend and resume both seem quick already)
May 06 21:35:26 <nio_> Hmmz, it seems the busybox sed doesn't work with special chars like the normal sed does..
May 06 21:40:18 <plhardy> wurp2|working: thanks for everything. i give up today, seems that online documentation of both dbus and bluez are not up to date, will see that when i will have spare time again later... 
May 06 21:40:35 <plhardy> for the moment -> go to bed. bye all.
May 06 21:54:04 <nio_> Is there a good reason why I would want to upgrade my GSM firmware?
May 06 21:56:52 <mwester> Yes.
May 06 21:58:17 <nio_> Well that's nice then. :)
May 06 21:59:08 <wurp2|working> mwester: Can you be less specific?
May 06 21:59:11 <wurp2|working> ;-)
May 06 21:59:25 <nio_> He could say "Maybe". :)
May 06 21:59:27 <wurp2|working> I didn't know there was a reason to update gsm firmware again
May 06 21:59:34 <wurp2|working> nio_: Good point!
May 06 21:59:36 <mwester> moko11
May 06 22:00:12 <nio_> I read that it's dangerous and all, but don't read about any advantages it might have.
May 06 22:01:12 <mwester> solves the overrun problem that we know troubles the GTA01 and has now been confirmed to trouble the GTA02 in select cases, and it also closes a kernel/gsm race condition that can cause missed calls on the first suspend/resume after a boot-up.
May 06 22:01:23 <mwester> That's moko10 -> moko11.
May 06 22:01:42 <mwester> If you have an older version than moko10, there are other problems that are solved, such as the dreaded 666 bug.
May 06 22:02:12 <ndnihil> +1 for upgrading the GSM firmware
May 06 22:02:21 <nio_> Ok. I don't seem to be having any of those problems so I'll just leave it then.
May 06 22:02:21 <ndnihil> fixed several issues for me
May 06 22:02:27 <wurp2|working> mwester: Cool!  I had no idea there was a fix for that
May 06 22:02:38 <ndnihil> the uSD card method of upgrading it is pretty foolproof
May 06 22:02:38 <wurp2|working> (the overrun issue)
May 06 22:03:08 <mwester> and 1024 is being worked, and may result in another firmware update, perhaps.
May 06 22:04:00 <wurp2|working> Hrm, and it looks as if I can update gsm firmware on neo1973 myself now
May 06 22:04:24 <mwester> wurp2|working:  I've upgraded both my gta01's now -- work very nicely.
May 06 22:05:32 <wurp2|working> mwester: Excellent, thanks for guinea pigging
May 06 22:06:27 <wurp2|working> And letting me know that the option existed at all :-)
May 06 22:15:07 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * rd027b5fdd4f4 10/gsm0710mux/consts.vala: make errordomain MuxerError appear in the public interface
May 06 22:38:05 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * rd86911ca334a 10/gsm0710mux/ (manager.vala multiplexer.vala): clean up error situation; declare to throw the errors you actually throw
May 06 22:40:30 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r5d890bcd79a9 10/src/server.vala: declare and throw proper dbus errors
May 06 23:57:01 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r03ee2966cc05 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: 
May 06 23:57:01 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Fix integer enum values
May 06 23:57:01 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 07 02:24:20 <Digital_Pioneer> Aaahhh! My phone's sound is completely dead! Help!! :(
May 07 02:24:57 <Digital_Pioneer> http://rafb.net/p/1HNAVp89.html
May 07 02:25:16 <DocScrutinizer> DON'T PANIC!
May 07 02:25:28 <Digital_Pioneer> I'm panicking!
May 07 02:27:09 <DocScrutinizer> what's the meaning of "completely dead"?
May 07 02:27:39 <Digital_Pioneer> Umm, there's no sound. If I make a call, there's nothing.
May 07 02:27:51 <Digital_Pioneer> And if I try to load the gsmhandset.state file, it gives the above error.
May 07 02:27:57 <Digital_Pioneer> Errors.
May 07 02:28:35 <Digital_Pioneer> Sound is somewhat critical on a phone.
May 07 02:29:15 <Digital_Pioneer> If I aplay /dev/urandom, it works....
May 07 02:33:51 <mirko-paroli> hi Dr DocScrutinizer
May 07 02:34:02 <DocScrutinizer> moin
May 07 02:34:21 <CVirus> [05:24] <Digital_Pioneer> Sound is somewhat critical on a phone.
May 07 02:34:29 <CVirus> this has just been added to my favourite quotes on facebook
May 07 02:34:37 <mirko-paroli> CVirus: LOL
May 07 02:35:02 <Digital_Pioneer> CVirus: Hahahah
May 07 02:35:12 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, let me look at the errorlog then
May 07 02:36:07 <Digital_Pioneer> Well, I just got a call and it worked....
May 07 02:36:28 <Digital_Pioneer> I played with my gsmhandset.state before that, though, that must've done it.
May 07 02:37:16 <DocScrutinizer> prety much looks like as your errorlog says "no such file"
May 07 02:38:12 <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, though neither of the things it said were no such file appeared to be filenames.
May 07 02:38:25 <DocScrutinizer> Digital_Pioneer: just make a cat to full_filename
May 07 02:38:44 <Digital_Pioneer> I reverted the statefile to package default.
May 07 02:39:06 <Digital_Pioneer> And now it works, except I'm opkg upgrading now and that has the dialer crashing.
May 07 02:46:46 <DocScrutinizer> Digital_Pioneer: you should have simply copied the *real* statefile to the correct folder ;-)
May 07 02:47:21 <Digital_Pioneer> DocScrutinizer: The *real* statefile that's buzzing around the community ML is what caused the problem in the first place
May 07 02:47:43 <DocScrutinizer> bah
May 07 02:48:34 <DocScrutinizer> it worked for wendy and me, and seems it worked for a lot of other people as well
May 07 02:48:51 <Digital_Pioneer> Well it broke my phone! }:(
May 07 02:49:02 <DocScrutinizer> no way
May 07 02:49:10 <Digital_Pioneer> And got me onto CVirus's Facebook quotes.
May 07 02:49:18 <DocScrutinizer> *you* broke your phone
May 07 02:49:34 <Digital_Pioneer> I'm a Linux hacker.
May 07 02:49:39 <Digital_Pioneer> Of course I broke my phone.
May 07 02:49:43 <Digital_Pioneer> That's beside the point.
May 07 02:49:48 <DocScrutinizer> probably you messed the file, maybe by download
May 07 02:49:57 <Digital_Pioneer> Bah, suuuuuure.
May 07 02:50:25 <DocScrutinizer> or u r using it for gta01
May 07 02:50:37 <Digital_Pioneer> Nope
May 07 02:50:55 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, no idea then
May 07 02:51:19 <Digital_Pioneer> Well, we shall see what happens after my upgrade finishes.
May 07 02:51:31 <Digital_Pioneer> I'll give it another shot.
May 07 02:51:41 <DocScrutinizer> as you can see in the trac-ticket Mat used it and thought it works but he needs to spoil it
May 07 02:53:46 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: used that "spoiled" version and it worked for him (though much too low mic sensitivity, as expected from Mat's spoiling)
May 07 02:54:40 <DocScrutinizer> so obvoiusly it's not the file that borked your phone
May 07 02:55:13 <DocScrutinizer> who's left over to be the one in fault then? ;-)
May 07 02:55:38 <Digital_Pioneer> IDK, I'm sure it's your fault somehow....
May 07 02:56:40 <DocScrutinizer> only for the remaining next 7min. then the "fault" token is passed to next person in charge
May 07 02:59:38 <DocScrutinizer> from 3:00 to 4:00 GMT I think it's Werner's turn "to take the blame"
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