**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 07 02:59:57 2009
May 07 03:00:56 <Digital_Pioneer> Hahahah
May 07 03:01:13 <slaxxer> it was me
May 07 03:01:48 <slaxxer> its a damn good thing u got it fixed to
May 07 03:04:30 <jc> DocScrutinizer: Werner is not on-line yet.  you need to do "overtime".
May 07 03:04:42 <DocScrutinizer> darn
May 07 03:05:11 <DocScrutinizer> mornin jc :)
May 07 03:05:37 <jc> DocScrutinizer: morning.
May 07 03:06:05 <Digital_Pioneer> DocScrutinizer: Yes, you are the chief scapegoat for another full shift, and no, you're not getting paid for overtime.
May 07 03:07:20 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, so no change from normal working hours then. good! I'll do another extra hour for the mere fun of it :@
May 07 03:09:21 * Digital_Pioneer listens to a song called Ogg Vorbis.
May 07 03:10:05 <DocScrutinizer> i refuse to take the blame for THAT
May 07 03:10:27 <DocScrutinizer> that's just too hard
May 07 03:10:35 <Digital_Pioneer> Heheheh, that's OK. It's a cool song.
May 07 03:15:43 <Digital_Pioneer> DocScrutinizer: Ahh, yes, Trac gave me a bad file. It was HTML instead of alsa statefile.
May 07 03:16:21 <DocScrutinizer> "on download" That's exactly what I expected
May 07 03:17:33 <Digital_Pioneer> OK, the speaker is much louder now, but the mic is too sensitive.
May 07 03:18:21 <Digital_Pioneer> i.e. the robot at 611 constantly thinks I'm talking when I'm not, and can't understand me.
May 07 03:19:16 <Digital_Pioneer> So does anyone know how to confirm that frameworkd is aware of my bluetooth headset?
May 07 03:19:24 <DocScrutinizer> reduce #ri by one step
May 07 03:19:35 <DocScrutinizer> reduce #48 by one step
May 07 03:20:00 <Digital_Pioneer> Heheh
May 07 03:20:43 <DocScrutinizer> it's optimized for A7 and buzzfixed  devices
May 07 03:21:40 <Digital_Pioneer> Much better. :D
May 07 03:21:48 <DocScrutinizer> other devices have a higer sensitivity, so one step down on #48 will adjust for this
May 07 03:30:10 <Digital_Pioneer> So do you know anything about FSO and bluetooth headsets?
May 07 04:17:46 <khiraly11> strange
May 07 04:17:54 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: are you there?
May 07 04:17:59 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: yepp
May 07 04:18:03 <mirko-paroli> trying to anyhow ;)
May 07 04:18:13 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: I suspended my phone about 6 hour ago
May 07 04:18:19 <mirko-paroli> k
May 07 04:18:26 <khiraly11> and I couldnt wake up
May 07 04:18:46 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: bat empty?
May 07 04:18:52 <khiraly11> But I could call, and heard at the other phone calling the device, but freerunner never ringed
May 07 04:19:01 <mirko-paroli> oh
May 07 04:19:04 <mirko-paroli> can you ssh in?
May 07 04:19:10 <khiraly11> also didnt reagiert to usb either
May 07 04:19:17 <mirko-paroli> LOL
May 07 04:19:18 <mirko-paroli> reagiert
May 07 04:19:26 <khiraly11> sorry
May 07 04:19:42 <mirko-paroli> hehe no worries
May 07 04:19:52 <khiraly11> react
May 07 04:19:54 <mirko-paroli> I also do that ab und zu
May 07 04:20:04 <khiraly11> my german is not that good;)
May 07 04:20:30 <mirko-paroli> my hungarian could use some polishing as well ;)
May 07 04:20:35 <khiraly11> doh
May 07 04:21:09 <mirko-paroli> btw back to your prob, it sounds like a "thought-to-be-gone" problem with the framework
May 07 04:21:11 <khiraly11> so I restarted the phone, I can attache to the computer, can I grasp some info from it
May 07 04:21:22 <mirko-paroli> I think the logs are not persistent
May 07 04:21:32 <mirko-paroli> and if the phone was in suspend there is no logging anyhow
May 07 04:21:34 <mirko-paroli> me thinks
May 07 04:21:46 <khiraly11> !doh
May 07 04:21:53 <khiraly11> so no way to know what happened
May 07 04:22:22 <khiraly11> what is really strange that it didnt react to usb
May 07 04:23:04 <mirko-paroli> yepp indeed
May 07 04:23:05 <mirko-paroli> hmm
May 07 04:23:17 <mirko-paroli> we ahve to ask mickey|zzZZzz later, or alphaone
May 07 04:23:31 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: Im now definietly interested writing a small app using paroli (my note taking application for my work)
May 07 04:23:40 <mirko-paroli> ah nice
May 07 04:23:41 <khiraly11> this illume keyboard is awesome
May 07 04:23:42 <mirko-paroli> :)
May 07 04:24:01 <DocScrutinizer> huh?
May 07 04:24:18 <khiraly11> I created a dict where only contained 20 keyword what I always need to write down (to the paper)
May 07 04:24:30 <khiraly11> s/to/on/
May 07 04:24:30 <apt> khiraly11 meant: I created a dict where only contained 20 keyword what I always need on write down (to the paper)
May 07 04:24:43 <khiraly11> on the paper
May 07 04:25:20 <khiraly11> no matter how bad I type on the illume keyboard he suggest the right keyword. Unbelievable
May 07 04:25:41 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: let me know how and when you wanna start and I'll help if I can :)
May 07 04:27:05 <khiraly11> This weekend I will. I will figure out how want my ui, and how will the application look. I need some table (or list) a suggestbox (dropdown menu), and a numpad like in dialer (to type numbers easily)
May 07 04:27:21 <gustavold> how do I increase the volume of calls (voice)? I'm using shr-testing.
May 07 04:27:56 <khiraly11> DocScrutinizer: huh? <- are you referring this strange suspend behaviour?
May 07 04:27:59 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: sounds good
May 07 04:28:10 <DocScrutinizer> how could no resume on inbound call be a framework issue?
May 07 04:28:29 <mirko-paroli> DocScrutinizer: because it needs to unsuspend, doesn't it?
May 07 04:28:44 <DocScrutinizer> kernel does unsuspend
May 07 04:28:50 <mirko-paroli> oh my bet
May 07 04:28:52 <mirko-paroli> bed
May 07 04:28:54 <mirko-paroli> bat
May 07 04:28:54 <DocScrutinizer> nah, basically uboot does
May 07 04:29:02 <mirko-paroli> sry mickey|zzZZzz and alphaone
May 07 04:29:13 <mirko-paroli> so we need nelson then
May 07 04:29:14 <mirko-paroli> ;)
May 07 04:29:31 <khiraly11> DocScrutinizer: dont know. But the callypso chip was definietly alive, because at the other end was ringing. And when I took out the battery, and repeated the call, I heard a voice that the other party is not available
May 07 04:29:36 <mirko-paroli> i just know it is not on my plate ;)
May 07 04:29:44 <khiraly11> DocScrutinizer: I have Qi
May 07 04:29:46 <DocScrutinizer> if it doesn't resume at all, you need update to moko11
May 07 04:31:05 <khiraly11> DocScrutinizer: It suspended before. This is the first time
May 07 04:31:26 <khiraly11> ok. I'll check what moko firmware do I have
May 07 04:32:43 <khiraly11> hmm. How can I check it which firmware do I hvae?
May 07 04:36:28 <khiraly11> DocScrutinizer: cant find any mentioning on the wiki how to verify which firmware do I have
May 07 04:36:47 <khiraly11> I can ask david (tuxbrain) if he updated my phone.
May 07 04:37:08 <DocMobilizer> settings-phone-modeminfo
May 07 04:37:45 <khiraly11> under shr?
May 07 04:37:48 <mirko-paroli> DocMobilizer: know of any good mobile irc/chat client (somewhat optimized for small devices) ?
May 07 04:38:00 <DocMobilizer> shr
May 07 04:38:08 <khiraly11> ok I reboot than
May 07 04:38:11 <khiraly11> to shr
May 07 04:38:41 <DocMobilizer> mirko-paroli: nope
May 07 04:38:44 <khiraly11> 5 minutes and I can report back;)
May 07 04:38:53 <mirko-paroli> DocMobilizer: k so we have to write one
May 07 04:39:02 <mirko-paroli> well, "we" is relative here
May 07 04:39:17 <DocMobilizer> xchat is good allegedly
May 07 04:43:13 <DocMobilizer> pidgin works but is a pita due to lack of 400x640 adaption
May 07 04:43:25 <mirko-paroli> DocMobilizer: nah, pidgin is a pain
May 07 04:43:34 <mirko-paroli> it's based on several windows
May 07 04:43:42 <mirko-paroli> a luxury we don't have
May 07 04:43:53 <mirko-paroli> or at least shoudl implement differently 
May 07 04:44:12 <DocMobilizer> yup
May 07 04:45:29 <khiraly11> DocMobilizer: code: 21601, cid: 053E, act: GSM, provider: H PANNON GSM, lac: 002F, strength: 93, 
May 07 04:45:29 <mirko-paroli> once I reimplemented the sh**ty parts in paroli
May 07 04:46:07 <khiraly11> revision: GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11
May 07 04:46:18 <khiraly11> DocMobilizer: ^^
May 07 04:47:23 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: http://code.google.com/p/ircm/
May 07 04:47:28 <khiraly11> ^^ irc client for iphone
May 07 04:47:54 <mirko-paroli> hehe
May 07 04:48:48 <khiraly11> just it is written in stange language
May 07 04:49:02 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 07 04:49:04 <mirko-paroli> ;)
May 07 04:49:14 <mirko-paroli> nah should fit to the rest of paroli
May 07 04:49:34 <DocScrutinizer> khiraly11: then blame Qi or the kernel it's not resuming
May 07 04:49:55 <DocScrutinizer> no idea here
May 07 04:51:42 <khiraly11> DocScrutinizer: I will examine if it is repeatable. Like having this issue overnight all the time. And with just om2009 and shr too...
May 07 04:51:53 <khiraly11> need some time for this. At lest 5-6 days
May 07 04:51:56 <khiraly11> least
May 07 04:52:36 <khiraly11> just when it happens would be nice to know how to debug more. 
May 07 04:52:52 <khiraly11> i was not using gprs for example
May 07 04:53:56 <khiraly11> DocScrutinizer: from moko11 there is only one version, no?
May 07 04:54:01 <khiraly11> so I have the latest....
May 07 05:01:38 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: I got reply on the .desktop file issue. I will test it on the phone
May 07 05:02:32 <mirko-paroli> k
May 07 05:02:41 <sypher7> just got my moko today and i've been playing around with the various distros. i have to say there's no lack of projects to work on! :-P
May 07 05:03:07 <mirko-paroli> sypher7: there is always room for improvement :)
May 07 05:03:55 <sypher7> mirko-paroli: for sure. now i need to decide which one to stick on my phone and try to help out with
May 07 05:04:07 <mirko-paroli> hehe
May 07 05:04:19 <mirko-paroli> we should create some kind of questionaire
May 07 05:04:34 <mirko-paroli> like "what fr distro and project are you?"
May 07 05:05:11 <sypher7> hehe. i definitely plan on having a few SD cards with various ones on them for quick switching
May 07 05:05:13 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: the old paroli (which comes with om2009) feels a bit more responsible when clicking on Msgs, Tele, People
May 07 05:05:22 <khiraly11> Im not sure with I/O
May 07 05:05:39 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: are you running from source?
May 07 05:05:56 <mirko-paroli> the output on the console could slow things down a little
May 07 05:06:03 <khiraly11> nope
May 07 05:06:24 <khiraly11> When I start the phone it starts the old paroli (which comes with om2009 testing image)
May 07 05:06:30 <khiraly11> and it feels more responsible
May 07 05:06:33 <mirko-paroli> hmm there goes that idea ;)
May 07 05:06:49 <khiraly11> But I have desktop icon for the new (git version) of paroli
May 07 05:07:00 <khiraly11> so would be nice to add some timing printing in the log file
May 07 05:07:10 <mirko-paroli> in the log file is time
May 07 05:07:17 <mirko-paroli> jsut on the output not
May 07 05:07:24 <khiraly11> ok, I'll check it
May 07 05:09:39 <khiraly11> i see
May 07 05:12:44 <DocScrutinizer> khiraly11: there's only moko11
May 07 05:13:05 <khiraly11> DocScrutinizer: Thx. So I have the latest. ok.
May 07 05:14:16 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: there are some issue with logging
May 07 05:14:30 <khiraly11> here is the old paroli: http://pastebin.com/f32dd13fc
May 07 05:14:35 <khiraly11> there is nice output
May 07 05:14:44 <mirko-paroli> hehe
May 07 05:14:51 <mirko-paroli> I think I know what you are getting at
May 07 05:15:04 <khiraly11> but in the git version, when I click on Tele, Msgs, etc the log does not change
May 07 05:15:10 <khiraly11> there is nothing appened at the end
May 07 05:16:07 <khiraly11> oh, and I know in which version do I am, because the I/O Msgs People Tele order changed
May 07 05:16:33 <mirko-paroli> hehe
May 07 05:16:37 <mirko-paroli> the order didn't change
May 07 05:16:44 <mirko-paroli> a different option is enabled
May 07 05:16:50 <mirko-paroli> one looks for all apps
May 07 05:16:55 <mirko-paroli> the other only for certain apps
May 07 05:17:08 <mirko-paroli> certain apps is written is stone (the order)
May 07 05:17:17 <mirko-paroli> "old paroli" shows only certain apps
May 07 05:17:53 <khiraly11> this cause the slowdown?
May 07 05:18:03 <mirko-paroli> unlikely
May 07 05:18:13 <mirko-paroli> it must be something that is running at all times
May 07 05:19:12 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.com/m7c31244a
May 07 05:19:16 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.com/m20d96b7f
May 07 05:19:22 <khiraly11> ^^ the two paroli.scg
May 07 05:19:24 <khiraly11> cfg
May 07 05:19:48 <khiraly11> and where the logging get broken?;)
May 07 05:19:57 <mirko-paroli> none of them is in /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg
May 07 05:20:17 <mirko-paroli> the logging ain't broken
May 07 05:20:39 <mirko-paroli> i do get the output and I am on the same rev :)
May 07 05:20:40 <khiraly11> the new one does not log, when I click on I/O, Msgs, People, Tele
May 07 05:21:20 <mirko-paroli> does anything actually happen after you click?
May 07 05:22:16 <khiraly11> nope
May 07 05:22:29 <khiraly11> but I just got an incoming call and it got logged
May 07 05:22:29 <mirko-paroli> then there won't be any logging as nothing happens
May 07 05:22:48 <mirko-paroli> so the prob is not the missing log, but that nothing happens
May 07 05:22:50 <khiraly11> I got a battery changed line, when I didnt touch the screen
May 07 05:22:56 <mirko-paroli> yepp
May 07 05:23:10 <khiraly11> but I dont get logs when I click on I/O, Msgs, People, Tele
May 07 05:23:12 <mirko-paroli> do you have an app open?
May 07 05:23:23 <mirko-paroli> a call?
May 07 05:23:39 <khiraly11> My sister just called me
May 07 05:23:43 <khiraly11> yepp
May 07 05:23:55 <mirko-paroli> yepp meaning?
May 07 05:24:29 <khiraly11> yepp, I have paroli open. And only paroli(home screen)
May 07 05:24:49 <mirko-paroli> ok
May 07 05:24:52 <khiraly11> (07.23.12) mirko-paroli: do you have an app open? <-- what do you mean by that?
May 07 05:24:55 <mirko-paroli> then your callbacks didn't reconnect
May 07 05:24:59 <mirko-paroli> an app such as I/O
May 07 05:25:03 <mirko-paroli> msgs
May 07 05:25:06 <mirko-paroli> or likewise
May 07 05:25:08 <mirko-paroli> settings
May 07 05:25:40 <khiraly11> ohh, And when I got the call, it changed to the Tele screen, I answered, talked with my sister, but the tele screen disappeared, and I couldnt hang up
May 07 05:26:01 <mirko-paroli> the "tele" screen here is a "call" screen
May 07 05:26:03 <khiraly11> I can repeat my calling. A sec
May 07 05:26:11 <mirko-paroli> which disappears after the call is disconnected
May 07 05:26:28 <mirko-paroli> I suggest you have a look at the paroli-launcher2.py code
May 07 05:26:33 <mirko-paroli> in paroli apps
May 07 05:26:36 <khiraly11> nope
May 07 05:26:40 <khiraly11> its definietly a bug here
May 07 05:26:45 <mirko-paroli> sure
May 07 05:26:50 <mirko-paroli> but someone has to find it ;)
May 07 05:26:53 <khiraly11> because when I call this time, i cant answer it
May 07 05:27:10 <khiraly11> there is only the homescreen showing (with the big clock)
May 07 05:27:44 <khiraly11> so I cant accept the call anymore. It rings, it vibrates, just dont get the "call" screen to accept it
May 07 05:28:11 <mirko-paroli> i heard ya, but please bear in mind I can't debug something I don't see
May 07 05:28:13 <mirko-paroli> so
May 07 05:28:39 <mirko-paroli> either reproduce it and file a trac ticket so that I can reproduce it
May 07 05:28:51 <mirko-paroli> or you dive into the code and try to find the buggy part
May 07 05:29:09 <mirko-paroli> it's very difficult for me to know what went wrong
May 07 05:31:40 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.com/d33a98b36
May 07 05:32:03 <khiraly11> oh, I definietly need some privacy in the log. Dont print sms content and phone numbers
May 07 05:32:20 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 07 05:32:59 <khiraly11> but Im more interested where the logging broke;)
May 07 05:33:05 <khiraly11> I'll retry my experience
May 07 05:33:16 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: again, the log didn't break, the apps are not activated anymore
May 07 05:33:22 <mirko-paroli> so there is no logging
May 07 05:33:28 <khiraly11> but the screen changed
May 07 05:33:39 <khiraly11> I could happily typing phone numbers
May 07 05:33:45 <khiraly11> (in tele for example)
May 07 05:34:14 <mirko-paroli> ok, then try to reproduce it, the logging is done before the app is called so if an app opens, there is a log
May 07 05:35:01 <mirko-paroli> did you cut parts from the log?
May 07 05:35:13 <mirko-paroli> there is 11 seconds missing
May 07 05:35:34 <mirko-paroli> or is that 2 logs?
May 07 05:35:41 <mirko-paroli> do you have 2 paroli instances running?
May 07 05:37:28 <mirko-paroli> ah the time was set
May 07 05:37:37 <khiraly11> I erased the sms part of it
May 07 05:37:42 <khiraly11> I thought it was the beginning
May 07 05:37:50 <mirko-paroli> but there seems to be sth missing between 235 and 236
May 07 05:38:15 <khiraly11> doh. You are right
May 07 05:38:38 <khiraly11> I erased blindly the sms part of the log, so maybe I erased some half line with it
May 07 05:38:40 <khiraly11> sorry
May 07 05:38:49 <mirko-paroli> no worries
May 07 05:40:09 <khiraly11> ok. Now I have the same problem (I restarted enlightenment and paroli), I dont get the call screen
May 07 05:41:17 <khiraly11>  http://pastebin.com/d34cae328
May 07 05:41:25 <khiraly11> ^^ the non edited full log this time
May 07 05:43:21 <mirko-paroli> incoming call=
May 07 05:43:27 <mirko-paroli> and no call window?
May 07 05:43:31 <khiraly11> nope
May 07 05:43:46 <khiraly11> no call window
May 07 05:43:51 <ndnihil> same thing I had last night
May 07 05:44:25 <khiraly11> and after I do not get call window at all
May 07 05:44:33 <khiraly11> I retried calling myself
May 07 05:44:36 <ndnihil> did you start paroli?
May 07 05:44:50 <ndnihil> mine wouldn't answer unless paroli was already running
May 07 05:45:00 <khiraly11> I restarted yes. I have home screen
May 07 05:45:19 <ndnihil> do you have the black screen with the clock?
May 07 05:45:42 <khiraly11> what is strange, after quiting paroli I couldnt relaunch from e. I need to restart enlightenment itself
May 07 05:45:52 <khiraly11> ndnihil: yes.
May 07 05:45:58 <ndnihil> oh
May 07 05:46:03 <khiraly11> ok. I restart now one more time
May 07 05:46:05 <ndnihil> mine would answer in that state
May 07 05:46:39 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: it only talks of incoming calls in the log
May 07 05:46:53 <mirko-paroli> I have to finish the time setting and then I'll look into the whole calling thing
May 07 05:47:03 <mirko-paroli> it seems rather difficult right now ;)
May 07 05:47:12 <mirko-paroli> to make a call that is ;)
May 07 05:47:28 <khiraly11> give me 5 min.
May 07 05:47:39 <mirko-paroli> I'll need more than that ;)
May 07 05:47:51 <khiraly11> ok
May 07 05:48:21 <khiraly11> I quited paroli. restarted e, and relaunched paroli
May 07 05:48:31 <khiraly11> I didnt touch the screen, just the clock showed
May 07 05:48:35 <khiraly11> shown
May 07 05:48:51 <khiraly11> I calld the phone. and I dont get the calling screen
May 07 05:50:24 <khiraly11>  mirko-paroli: http://pastebin.com/d2fc081c7
May 07 05:50:36 <khiraly11> I just launched paroli, and called directly.
May 07 05:51:13 <khiraly11> btw paroli is inactiv. I cant click on any item (I/O, Msgs, etc)
May 07 05:55:18 <khiraly11> doh
May 07 05:55:38 <mirko-paroli> ya?
May 07 05:57:28 <khiraly11> there are two different issue
May 07 06:00:18 <khiraly11> If I call paroli when its gray. It stuck at that state. I have the calling screen, I can answer it. But after It stay grayish the whole screen I cant tap on any item. But a new call results a new calling screen and I can answer it
May 07 06:03:29 <khiraly11> The other one (I dont get always a calling screen) is rather random
May 07 06:03:42 <khiraly11> I couldnt reproduce it all the time
May 07 06:08:59 <khiraly11> doh
May 07 06:09:00 <khiraly11> again
May 07 06:09:11 <khiraly11> I quit paroli, I have only e's homescreen
May 07 06:09:25 <khiraly11> I can call the phone, and I get to the call screen
May 07 06:09:30 <khiraly11> I can answer the call and talk
May 07 06:09:55 <mirko-paroli> did you get a window that asked if you wanted to keep paroli running?
May 07 06:09:57 <khiraly11> after hanging up, I got back the desktop so no paroli running (it seems) no big clock
May 07 06:10:03 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: nope
May 07 06:10:11 <mirko-paroli> how did you close p ?
May 07 06:10:13 <khiraly11> i didnt get this window
May 07 06:10:25 <khiraly11> using illume bar and the big X icon
May 07 06:10:47 <khiraly11> ok. I have 10 paroli running
May 07 06:11:08 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.com/m5909f523
May 07 06:11:20 <mirko-paroli> if you close the paroli from the git with the x in illume you get a win asking if oyu want to keep it running
May 07 06:11:37 <khiraly11> ok I kill all of this paroli instances
May 07 06:11:37 <mirko-paroli> LOL
May 07 06:11:44 <khiraly11> and restart it
May 07 06:12:51 <khiraly11> ok. When I dont get the calling screen I will always check how many paroli do I have running
May 07 06:13:12 <khiraly11> just be sure there is no concurrent running
May 07 06:13:14 <PaulFertser> Too much paroli is no good for a healthy breakfast ;)
May 07 06:13:25 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: tell me about it :P
May 07 06:15:06 <Blu3> well isn't that nifty ^_^  latest update yields module install of -rc3 (no kernel) with kernel of -rc2 and no modules
May 07 06:15:34 <Blu3> meh, i'll flash it in the morning, to annoyed to fix it tonight
May 07 06:16:10 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: i'm very glad you found an enthusiastic and cluefull user BTW ;)
May 07 06:16:38 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: I like it when you cheer me up :=
May 07 06:16:39 <mirko-paroli> :)
May 07 06:16:55 <azaghal> Hm... I have an 8GB microsd card now. GNU/Debian + Paroli should work nice?
May 07 06:18:28 <ndnihil> how difficult is it to add stuff to paroli? like say I wanted a button on the home screen that opened up a list of programs to select from
May 07 06:18:54 <mirko-paroli> ndnihil: once you get a hang of it it should be very simple
May 07 06:19:04 <mirko-paroli> but why would you want such a list?
May 07 06:19:12 <mirko-paroli> don't like the illume screen?
May 07 06:19:27 <ndnihil> its not that I dont like it
May 07 06:19:33 <ndnihil> just thinking streamlined
May 07 06:19:39 <ndnihil> faster
May 07 06:20:01 <ndnihil> instead of launching a desktop environment, paroli menu as the main screen with sub-menus for other programs
May 07 06:20:11 <ndnihil> you know, make it look/work more like a phone :)
May 07 06:20:20 <mirko-paroli> hmm but you'd need a way to close wins etc
May 07 06:20:27 <ndnihil> true
May 07 06:20:34 <mirko-paroli> so you would need to launch those external progs in new elm windows
May 07 06:20:38 <mirko-paroli> and be able to manage those
May 07 06:20:46 <mirko-paroli> so the prob is you'd need a wm basically
May 07 06:20:48 <khiraly11> I killed paroli and (restarted e), but it cant be initialized normally anymore: http://pastebin.com/m5ca9ded8
May 07 06:20:51 <mirko-paroli> sure all doable
May 07 06:21:04 <ndnihil> yeah, but there are basic/lightweight wms, and hefty things
May 07 06:21:16 <ndnihil> just the bare basics of a wm would suffice
May 07 06:21:43 <khiraly11> is there some timeout from dbus?
May 07 06:21:57 <mirko-paroli> ndnihil: the easiest would probably be to parse the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications, display those and launch the progs
May 07 06:22:20 <khiraly11> ndnihil: getting to the e's homescreen is rather quick
May 07 06:22:21 <mirko-paroli> however, you also need the kdb ;)
May 07 06:22:41 <ndnihil> eh, may as well just run illume in that case
May 07 06:22:50 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: let me finish the time thingy here and we can figure out where your errors are coming from
May 07 06:22:59 <ndnihil> I'm just thinking about resource management
May 07 06:23:09 <ndnihil> this isn't a blazingly fast machine
May 07 06:23:13 <khiraly11> ok. I need to work anyway myself. (just hate to do;)
May 07 06:23:14 <ndnihil> the phone that is
May 07 06:23:15 <mirko-paroli> ndnihil: I understand where you are coming from, been there, thought about it ;)
May 07 06:23:49 <khiraly11> ndnihil: try out the illume bar and e's homescreen. Works like a charm. You can disable paroli fullscreen and get the illume bar
May 07 06:24:06 <ndnihil> khiraly11: I've been running illume on it for quite a while
May 07 06:24:19 <khiraly11> and what is the problem with it? slow?
May 07 06:24:26 <ndnihil> slow'ish
May 07 06:24:29 <ndnihil> not fast
May 07 06:24:52 <khiraly11> for me works amazingly well. No framedrop or glitch
May 07 06:24:56 <ndnihil> just thinking the interface should be as slick as the hardware
May 07 06:24:59 <khiraly11> just two click and I have the homescreen
May 07 06:25:39 <PaulFertser> Funny how it seems the first thing everyone wants to do is to disable paroli fullscreen ;)
May 07 06:25:51 <ndnihil> actually I wanted to enable it
May 07 06:25:55 <ndnihil> and ditch the rest
May 07 06:26:06 <ndnihil> that's why I asked about adding buttons/menus to paroli
May 07 06:26:22 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: I think if you are using it to do stuff in illume is nice, if you have in your pocket and are out and about, fullscreen might prove usefull
May 07 06:26:34 <mirko-paroli> but it is all up to indiv taste
May 07 06:26:36 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: because paroli only provide the basics (tele, msgs, etc), but not a terminal or something more advanced. However the terminal is a basic musthave feature
May 07 06:27:23 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: you're being an exception here
May 07 06:27:39 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: sure, it was obvious to most power-users from the beginning :)
May 07 06:27:52 <khiraly11> ndnihil: I agree that *launching* and application from e's homescreen is slow as hell. Like 10-15 sec. So integrating the most used feature into paroli makes sense
May 07 06:28:07 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: honestly, most people that complained do not fall into the cat of power-users
May 07 06:28:17 <mirko-paroli> otherwise they could have fixed it themselves
May 07 06:28:19 <mirko-paroli> :P
May 07 06:28:48 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: well, that's true. Even further proves my point ;)
May 07 06:28:57 <khiraly11> terminal is for everyone;) 
May 07 06:29:01 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: that there are no power-users?
May 07 06:29:36 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: I invite you to read bakc on the MLs, my first plan was to integrate paroli into the illume homescreen
May 07 06:29:55 <khiraly11> so basically everyone is learning linux, programming and such, so it took so much time to mature freerunner, because the developpers needed to catch up some programming skill ;-P
May 07 06:30:22 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: ^^ are you suggesting this?;-D
May 07 06:30:49 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: I think there's no need to discuss all that stuff again, now everything is going pretty much like it should :)
May 07 06:31:21 <mirko-paroli> I just don't like beeing called ignorant or stupid, that's all
May 07 06:32:01 <PaulFertser> I can't remember anybody doing it.
May 07 06:32:31 <mirko-paroli> I am used to reading between the lines "sure, it was obvious to most power-users from the beginning :)"
May 07 06:32:40 <mirko-paroli> and don't like what I am reading ;)
May 07 06:32:43 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: but face the true. If you look at the git logs its almost only you who commits to paroli. So asking for help with paroli (integrating into illume) is likely to fail.
May 07 06:33:15 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: but paroli will definietly be adopted. As its so responsible and nice. And developers will come;)
May 07 06:33:49 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: paroli was in the middle of a political debate and slowly recovers from the witch hunt
May 07 06:34:19 <mirko-paroli> anyhow
May 07 06:34:26 <mirko-paroli> back to developing
May 07 06:35:14 <mirko-paroli> sry PaulFertser if I react rather allergic, but I am still somewhat displeased with the way certain developments are presented by the most vocal people in the "community"
May 07 06:35:30 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: no offence though
May 07 06:36:58 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: if paroli gets reliable only for calling its enough for my everyday use. ;) So I wont migrate over to any other distro.
May 07 06:37:29 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: none taken, sorry if i inadvertently caused allergic reaction again, not that it was intended. Probably i've already forgot the reality and got back to my imaginary witches-inhabited world.
May 07 06:37:57 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: by the way. SMS sending fails if the sms is too long. Need a character counter in it.
May 07 06:38:16 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: the truth lies somewhere between my view and yours so I guess we both hunt witches, just different ones
May 07 06:38:27 <khiraly11> ok enough talk. back to work
May 07 06:38:55 <khiraly11> (for me at least)
May 07 06:38:57 <khiraly11> bbl
May 07 06:39:04 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: au revoir
May 07 06:39:17 <khiraly11> a bientot
May 07 06:39:22 <khiraly11> a plus
May 07 06:39:23 <mirko-paroli> hehe
May 07 06:40:04 <khiraly11> je vais arriver dans 2 heures. Je le pense. 
May 07 06:40:29 <khiraly11> hmm, my french knowledge how vanished over time. Shame on me
May 07 06:47:22 <DocScrutinizer> buenas notches, compadres
May 07 06:50:20 <khiraly11> Guten Abend DocScrutinizer
May 07 07:32:43 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 07 08:03:43 <PaulFertser> Hm, looks like elementary is not packaged for Debian yet :-/
May 07 08:06:23 <DocScrutinizer> pff, that's not been a nice nap :-/
May 07 08:06:27 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: for arm?
May 07 08:06:37 <DocScrutinizer> morning
May 07 08:06:44 <mirko-paroli> morning DocScrutinizer
May 07 08:17:39 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: i guess for every arch, but arm is of interest for me currently.
May 07 08:18:03 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: I have e17 on my laptop
May 07 08:18:11 <mirko-paroli> I think that has elementary
May 07 08:20:29 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: it has libelm
May 07 08:20:32 <mirko-paroli> probably not recent
May 07 08:20:36 <mirko-paroli> but it is there
May 07 08:20:53 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: deb http://debian.alphagemini.org/ unstable main
May 07 08:21:31 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: well, i now see. I wanted to see what is missing in Debian on freerunner to run Paroli.
May 07 08:21:43 <PaulFertser> mirko-paroli: looks like elementary and python bindings for it are not there :-/
May 07 08:24:06 <khiraly11> btw paroli is the only elementary application currently for freerunner?
May 07 08:24:20 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: I think the shr apps use elm as well
May 07 08:24:29 <mirko-paroli> but not python
May 07 08:24:41 <ndnihil> uh huh
May 07 08:24:48 <ndnihil> shr-settings is python+elementary
May 07 08:25:03 <mirko-paroli> ndnihil: ok, sry, I was refering to the phone apps
May 07 08:25:09 <ndnihil> sh
May 07 08:25:10 <ndnihil> er
May 07 08:25:10 <ndnihil> ah
May 07 08:25:14 <mirko-paroli> I know that dos is big in py+elm on the shr side
May 07 08:25:33 <methril|work> morning
May 07 08:25:35 <ndnihil> was just looking into it myself actually
May 07 08:25:50 <ndnihil> going to make a menu'd launcher
May 07 08:34:51 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: isn't it an easy building of the packages?
May 07 08:35:09 <mirko-paroli> PaulFertser: maybe I am just stupid but ... yeah ... ;)
May 07 08:49:41 <khiraly11> doh
May 07 08:50:40 <khiraly11> I switched back to shr, because paroli bugging a bit. And I successfully missed an important call (under shr!). I accepted a call, but couldnt hear anything
May 07 08:51:23 <khiraly11> bugging a bit = couldnt type the PIN code;)
May 07 10:10:35 <khiraly11> hmm
May 07 10:17:43 <khiraly11> is it just me or illume is broken in enlightenmen
May 07 10:17:54 <khiraly11> the autocompletion feature in Default-alt keyboard does not work
May 07 10:18:03 <khiraly11> so its like the terminal one
May 07 10:22:41 * ndnihil hates autocompletion/predictive text
May 07 10:27:02 <khiraly11> ndnihil: if you figure out how to use it is awesome, otherwise painful as hell
May 07 10:27:26 <ndnihil> I know exactly how to use it
May 07 10:27:32 <ndnihil> still dislike it
May 07 10:28:00 <ndnihil> uses up way more resources than me typing the rest of a word
May 07 10:28:21 <ndnihil> and when it gets a word wrong and you continue by accident, you have to go back and fix it
May 07 10:28:32 <ndnihil> bleh, I'm fine without it :)
May 07 10:31:39 <khiraly11> :)
May 07 10:31:57 <khiraly11> I have found a new usecase for it and I am pretty exited about it
May 07 10:34:08 <Zorkman> khiraly11: which usecase?
May 07 10:34:24 <khiraly11> having 30-40 predefined words in the dictionary
May 07 10:34:29 <khiraly11> and nothing else
May 07 10:34:48 <khiraly11> i can type pretty randomly and will always come up with the correct word
May 07 10:34:59 <khiraly11> think about it like a listbox
May 07 10:35:13 <khiraly11> or a list. You can quickly select an item
May 07 10:35:25 <khiraly11> exactly what I want;)
May 07 10:36:10 <khiraly11> what I miss from illume keyboard is when selecting a different dictionary would be nice to have a different dynamic dictionary also
May 07 10:36:49 <khiraly11> for example you use the keyboard for two languages (english and your native), it will collect words mixed in the dynamic dict
May 07 10:37:06 <khiraly11> and come up in english text with you nativ language suggestions
May 07 10:50:09 <thrashold> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner --- what is this GTA02A7? Is this what should I get?
May 07 10:51:25 <thrashold> Ah, I see. The shop are doing the buzz fix for me?
May 07 10:54:38 <khiraly11> thrashold: A7 is not out yet (As far as I know). But basically means A7 is factory buzz-fixed
May 07 10:55:21 <khiraly11> I bought mine one week (got it monday evening) from tuxbrain. It is A6 with buzz fix applied. So it is pretty much identical with A7
May 07 10:55:41 <khiraly11> So check the shop if the buzz fix is applied or not
May 07 10:56:55 <thrashold> Hm, TuxBrain is only in Spanish, I can't find where to switch the language
May 07 10:57:42 <khiraly11> if you click on the phone it will redirect you to the shop which is in english too
May 07 10:57:55 <khiraly11> thrashold: Are you in Europe?
May 07 10:58:21 <thrashold> yes
May 07 10:58:34 <thrashold> OK, thanks, I found it
May 07 10:58:55 <khiraly11> I would recommend tuxbrain in that case. And David is helpful
May 07 10:59:36 <khiraly11> if you have access to an SMD soldering and want to apply the buzzfix option yourself, pulster.de is better option financially
May 07 11:00:13 <thrashold> Can I pay with a card on TuxBrain? The bank transfer to pulster cost me too much last time :)
May 07 11:00:24 <khiraly11> But for me buzz-fix worth 40EUR. 
May 07 11:00:41 <khiraly11> thrashold: yepp. there is credit card or bank transfer as option
May 07 11:00:53 <khiraly11> bank transfer is better for you. Its free (for you)
May 07 11:00:56 <khiraly11> doh
May 07 11:01:05 <khiraly11> bank transfer -> credit card
May 07 11:01:16 <khiraly11> so credit card is free for you
May 07 11:01:51 <khiraly11> I would recommend also invisible shield and leather case. Leather case is awesome, really.
May 07 11:02:02 <thrashold> The bank transfer to Pulster cost me €30 or something when I purchased something from there, so I'll thing I'll prefer TuxBrain :)
May 07 11:02:26 <khiraly11> the slim keyboard by the way, I regret that I bought
May 07 11:02:53 <thrashold> So you would suggest I get a tiny USB keyboard from somewhere, instead?
May 07 11:03:04 <thrashold> Cause the BT one looks nice
May 07 11:03:58 <khiraly11> on photo yes
May 07 11:04:31 <khiraly11> but in reality is not metal, but plastic covered. And its scratchy.
May 07 11:04:53 <khiraly11> you need a special battery for it. Like for watches. Round lithium-ion battery
May 07 11:05:15 <khiraly11> And its really hard to type on it. It is like the motorola razer phone, if you know
May 07 11:05:56 <khiraly11> I would prefer normal key buttons
May 07 11:06:39 * PaulFertser wished he would have prepared not only leather but an ethical case too.
May 07 11:06:57 <thrashold> And as far as I can see, it is good for typing in english, but if I want to use a cyrillic layout for it, I would have hard time getting used to it
May 07 11:07:05 <PaulFertser> he == David
May 07 11:07:16 <thrashold> ethical?
May 07 11:07:25 <PaulFertser> thrashold: why anyone would want to use a cyrillic layout?
May 07 11:07:54 <PaulFertser> thrashold: yeah, ethical in the sense that obtaining material wouldn't involve someone's death.
May 07 11:08:45 <thrashold> I cyrillic in most of my conversations. SMS and IM 
May 07 11:08:46 <PaulFertser> thrashold: (cyrillic layout) teach your friends english instead ;)
May 07 11:09:03 <khiraly11> thrashold: have you tried to type on a motorola razr phone? (you know the shell phone which was really hyped two years ago)
May 07 11:09:07 <thrashold> I use*
May 07 11:09:12 <thrashold> khiraly11: Nope
May 07 11:09:22 <PaulFertser> thrashold: Is it ok for you that cyrillic letters consume twice as much sms space as latin?
May 07 11:09:31 <khiraly11> thrashold: try it. The same experience
May 07 11:10:22 <khiraly11> in fact the keyboard looks like metal. It is metal, just plastic covered. And the plastic really scratchy
May 07 11:10:34 <thrashold> PaulFertser: Well, in theory, the leather case came from a cow that was already eaten by someone. I'm not comfortable with the fact that this is a piece of an animal, but I find it more ethical that it got used for something instead of thrown out.
May 07 11:10:41 <khiraly11> I got mine with many scratches on it. And I opened the box first
May 07 11:11:12 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: yepp. a plastic case is bad for environment;)))
May 07 11:11:58 <thrashold> PaulFertser: I know, I don't have much trouble with paying twice, but I thought I read in the other channel that you can't send long SMS messages with the current software (FSO), so it will be a bit harder for me. :)
May 07 11:12:06 <PaulFertser> thrashold: still i prefer to not use anything leather unless that's the thing i bought long time ago when i didn't care as much or all the alternatives are too impractical.
May 07 11:12:53 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: I prefer leather over leatherett
May 07 11:12:54 <khiraly11> e
May 07 11:12:59 <khiraly11> so plastic leather
May 07 11:13:11 <mjr> I'll just note that buying the leather does make fucking with the animals more profitable, and thus supports it
May 07 11:13:28 <PaulFertser> thrashold: Probably auto-splitting long sms's is not implemented in shr-messages yet, true. But it's supported by FSO already iirc.
May 07 11:13:43 <PaulFertser> mjr: exactly my thoughts
May 07 11:14:00 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: paroli has trouble with it. Tried yesterday
May 07 11:14:11 <mjr> (and yes I'm vegan aside from medication)
May 07 11:15:09 <PaulFertser> mjr: do you use any special computations/vitamins or something to ensure your diet is healthy?
May 07 11:19:40 <thrashold> mjr: I'm not good at economics, but wouldn't that just decrease the price of meat a bit, leading to more people fed, sorta? Unless there is more demand for skin than for meat, which would suck (as it does with crocodiles, tigers, wolves, etc.)
May 07 11:23:39 <PaulFertser> thrashold: we don't want people to be fed by meat.
May 07 11:24:29 <mjr> PaulFertser, well, I'm also a kind of nutritional optimizer nut so I use plenty of nutritional additives :]
May 07 11:25:53 <PaulFertser> mjr: well, good for you :) (i considered veganism but it seemed to complicated and very impractical so i resorted to vegeterianism)
May 07 11:26:12 <mjr> my unprofessional opinion is that were I a pure health optimizer, I wouldn't add at least significat amounts of other animal products than fish into my diet, but I rather take my algae-derived EPA/DHA
May 07 11:28:55 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/07/ipo_approve_software_patent/ <-- hmm
May 07 11:29:32 <mjr> (also I'm high risk for metabolic syndrome/diabetes, that accounts for some of my additives like benfotiamine and carnosine
May 07 11:29:50 <thrashold> PaulFertser: Well, for me "human fed" is a bit higher in priority than "by what".
May 07 11:30:20 <mjr> thrashold, by human babies? :]
May 07 11:30:48 <mjr> but yes, humans fed are a high priority, and we can't in a sustainable way feed the world with at least the western usual amounts of meat, ethical issues aside even
May 07 11:30:48 <thrashold> mjr: Weeelll... I would guess not that much
May 07 11:31:18 <mjr> but this is getting long for off-topic
May 07 11:34:10 <nullix> a long feed ...
May 07 11:34:39 <PaulFertser> I want to eat already
May 07 11:34:59 <thrashold> Well, to get back on-topic, you could claim that creating a phone with free software would help increase the global economic efficiency thus leading to less starvation, but I think it might be juust a bit exaggerated at the moment. :D 
May 07 11:35:44 <mjr> yes well maybe slightly
May 07 11:36:22 <PaulFertser> I wish every food shop here had tofu.
May 07 11:39:14 <khiraly11> the positive side of this veganism, that they never go to mcdonalds
May 07 11:39:33 <khiraly11> because there even the salad contains some animal traces;)
May 07 11:39:52 <PaulFertser> Sometimes they do go there, if it has a free access to toilets :)
May 07 11:39:56 <thrashold> khiraly11: I'm neither a vegan or vegetarian, but I also never go to McDonalds. 
May 07 11:40:32 <thrashold> Make that an almost 
May 07 11:40:45 <khiraly11> vegan = vegetarian - milk
May 07 11:40:59 <khiraly11> if I read it correctly. Plus some grain of ideology
May 07 11:41:33 <nullix> some tried to be nothingarian but they died after some weeks.
May 07 11:42:11 <thrashold> nullix: I tried that too, but I gave up in two days. :D
May 07 11:42:42 <nullix> i think nottomuchbutalittlebitofeverythingarian might just be good.
May 07 11:43:15 <PaulFertser> nullix: don't you have a bad feeling when you eat meat?
May 07 11:43:52 <nullix> does meat has a bad feeling to be eaten by me either ?
May 07 11:44:45 <mjr> khiraly11, depends on the strictness of the vocabulary used. "Vegetarian" strictly means, dietetically, the same as vegan, but in practice it often is used as a synonym for ovo-lacto-vegetarian, which includes eggs and dairy. Veganism doesn't include eggs and dairy, of course, but it doesn't include other animal byproducts either, going further than a simple dietetic choice. Of course, in practice this is merely an aspiration, as it is inevitable in ...
May 07 11:44:52 <mjr> ... todays society to run across animal products, but veganism aspires to minimize that in diet as well as otherwise.
May 07 11:44:52 <Zorkman> or does meat have bad feelings when it eats other meat?
May 07 11:45:42 <Zorkman> [joke] best sollution when going to a restaurant with a vegetarian: if you don't order and eat meat, i'll order three meals with meat in them [/joke]  a true vegetarian would then order meat and eat it
May 07 11:46:26 <mjr> yes, I know of that kind of people
May 07 11:46:36 <mjr> basically hostage tactics, I wouldn't associate with them
May 07 11:46:49 <mjr> (of course, if they actually did it and not merely joked)
May 07 11:47:11 <thrashold> Zorkman: No, he shouldn't because that would give the other guy an incentive to repeat this.
May 07 11:47:11 <PaulFertser> Joking about this is already not very pleasant to say the least.
May 07 11:47:44 <mjr> PaulFertser, certainly in poor taste, but then, I'm not in a position to judge people harshly for poor taste in humor
May 07 11:48:26 <mjr> case in point: http://mjr.iki.fi/humor/niggers
May 07 11:48:34 <mjr> (also some other stuff there, some finnish though)
May 07 11:51:04 <XorA> Zorkman: I am vegitarian as everything I eat only eats vegetables. I just use a middle man :-)
May 07 11:53:16 <mjr> now that's not _offensively_ bad humor, it's just generally poor ;]
May 07 11:53:17 <nullix> PaulFertser: i used to joke about everything, that does not mean that i don't understand and respect things, i appologize
May 07 11:53:36 <PaulFertser> nullix: np, i'm not easily offended
May 07 11:54:07 <mjr> oh yeah, this is also quite offensive: http://mjr.iki.fi/humor/poof.en.html
May 07 11:54:08 <PaulFertser> I just think "Ewww, i didn't like that joke"
May 07 11:55:56 <nullix> one french humorist used to say "you can joke about about everyhting but not with everybody", it is true that we all have sensible subjects.
May 07 11:56:47 <mjr> well
May 07 11:56:56 <badcloud> hey all you jokesters
May 07 11:56:57 <mjr> for me, it depends on who's doing the joking also
May 07 11:57:12 <nullix> of course it does.
May 07 11:58:02 <mjr> for instance, if a sworn meat-eater jokes about vegetarians, that's often _meant_ in an offensive manner and not just kidding around. Like if a concentration camp guard told jew jokes ;]
May 07 11:59:26 <nullix> now i feel bad.
May 07 11:59:39 <PaulFertser> Hahaha
May 07 11:59:43 <badcloud> now I'm curious
May 07 11:59:53 <badcloud> who told what joke around whom?
May 07 12:00:25 <XorA> someone said OM made a working phone :-)
May 07 12:00:26 <ndnihil> vegetarians don't have enough energy to be offended
May 07 12:00:46 <badcloud> ha, XorA
May 07 12:00:55 <badcloud> good one
May 07 12:01:40 <badcloud> but I suppose most of us use it as a phone either to develop for it or as sort of a religious thing (upholding open source)
May 07 12:02:00 <nullix> it is a religious phone.
May 07 12:02:07 <ndnihil> it's my daily work phone
May 07 12:02:10 <badcloud> it really is
May 07 12:02:12 <ndnihil> I replaced a blackberry with it
May 07 12:02:21 <nullix> you need to believe in it, then it works.
May 07 12:02:22 <badcloud> mine too, ndnihil
May 07 12:02:25 <nullix> else it don't.
May 07 12:03:16 <badcloud> well, this is my other cell: http://www.gsmarena.com/siemens_ax72-1327.php
May 07 12:03:26 <badcloud> so I'll settle for ANYthing
May 07 12:04:44 <ndnihil> my other one is a motorola w755
May 07 12:04:57 <ndnihil> I got sick of modding via p2k
May 07 12:05:03 <ndnihil> and bought the fr
May 07 12:05:22 <badcloud> doesn't look half bad at first glance
May 07 12:06:33 * XorA has a nice HTC Kaiser and is going to upgrade to the Diamond 2
May 07 12:07:59 <khiraly11> who has the oldest phone contest or what?
May 07 12:08:44 <badcloud> XorA, what is the max sd capacity on the Dia 2?
May 07 12:08:58 <badcloud> why, do you think you'd win, khiraly11?
May 07 12:08:59 <ndnihil> heh, if we were having that contest
May 07 12:09:04 <XorA> badcloud: 32G
May 07 12:09:06 <khiraly11> yepp
May 07 12:09:18 <badcloud> noice, XorA
May 07 12:09:25 <khiraly11> http://www.mobilkor.hu/mobilkor_tesztek/kepek/nokia3510ia.jpg
May 07 12:09:29 <ndnihil> I've got an old moto analog in-car hardwire trunkmount unit
May 07 12:09:31 <khiraly11> ^^ nokia 3510i
May 07 12:09:34 <ndnihil> in the basement
May 07 12:09:50 <XorA> although I expect an SDXC upgrade to give us 4T SD capability
May 07 12:10:01 <khiraly11> thats mine. I broke the power button, so I soldered two wire on it. So I hardware-modded
May 07 12:10:09 <ndnihil> as well as a couple moto bricks and original flips
May 07 12:10:14 <badcloud> are you serious, XorA?
May 07 12:10:22 <XorA> badcloud: yes, there is a new standard
May 07 12:10:38 <mjr> oh yeah, as we now have the SDXC spec, is it indeed compatible enough that it can be implemented on current hw?
May 07 12:10:59 <XorA> mjr: looks like it
May 07 12:10:59 <badcloud> wow, that's stellar
May 07 12:11:04 <mjr> there was speculation earlier that since the SDHC cap is essentially arbitrary, it might be the case
May 07 12:11:38 <mjr> IIRC SDXC has also some faster clockings and all that but presumably the cards work in lower modes as well then?
May 07 12:11:42 <badcloud> has anyone tried uSD above 16gb on the fr?
May 07 12:12:02 <mjr> are there >16Gs?
May 07 12:12:08 <badcloud> not sure
May 07 12:12:25 <mjr> anyway, SDHC spec goes to 32G so certainly should with current software too
May 07 12:13:12 <khiraly11> there is a 8GB limit, no?
May 07 12:13:30 <badcloud> well, I can't seem to find a 32
May 07 12:13:34 <mjr> khiraly11, no
May 07 12:13:37 <badcloud> but I'm using a 16 right now
May 07 12:13:41 <mjr> from wikipedia: "The Secure Digital Extended Capacity (SDXC) format was unveiled at CES 2009. The maximum capacity defined for SDXC cards is 2 TB (2048 GB). SDHC cards also have a maximum capacity of 2 TB based on the card data structures, but this is arbitrarily limited to 32 GB by the SD 2.0 document."
May 07 12:14:03 <mjr> (that is accurate to my knowledge as well)
May 07 12:14:18 <badcloud> so 2T, not 4
May 07 12:14:38 <mjr> I think 2T is sufficient for a while
May 07 12:14:47 <nullix> 10 years...
May 07 12:14:47 <badcloud> beyond, anyway
May 07 12:14:56 <mjr> certainly a bigger while than SDHC...
May 07 12:15:01 <XorA> ah well I was a factor of 2 out, just fit another slot :-)
May 07 12:15:05 <mjr> nullix, yeah, of course not _forever_
May 07 12:15:21 <khiraly11> I have about 1T here, and Im always fighting for 1GB space
May 07 12:15:38 <badcloud> I mean, who uses that type of space if not for video editing?
May 07 12:17:19 <nullix> to have your own wikipedia offline
May 07 12:17:26 <badcloud> right
May 07 12:17:32 <mjr> khiraly11, yes yes, I also have 4 terabytes at my home server, but it's a bit different from SD cards
May 07 12:18:09 <mjr> also, I'll wager you want a new, faster card spec anyway even before you hit the 2T so you can actually make proper use of the space...
May 07 12:18:10 <khiraly11> mjr: not much. Im using my space for storage. I hardly access it. So I would prefer to switch 1TB pendrive, if I could
May 07 12:18:47 <mjr> well, okay
May 07 12:21:00 <XorA> just imagine sneezing and losing a 2T microSD :-D
May 07 12:22:42 <khiraly11> ;)
May 07 12:22:51 <khiraly11> bbl
May 07 12:23:29 <nullix> it happens with my 500Gb hard drive, i am still crying...
May 07 12:45:03 <DocScrutinizer> pff, down to 169 unread on [community]
May 07 12:45:07 <DocScrutinizer> bye
May 07 12:45:26 <jc2> DocScrutinizer: ciao ciao.
May 07 12:45:45 <Weiss> are any of the inhabitants of forum.telefoninux.org around here?
May 07 12:46:06 <jan___> hello
May 07 12:46:31 <jan___> I get this error
May 07 12:46:43 <jan___> during booting:
May 07 12:47:22 <jan___> Argh. No free space left for GC....
May 07 12:47:35 <jan___> What is wrong?
May 07 12:47:49 <jan___> I got this after I flashed back from adroid to SHR
May 07 12:48:09 <jan___> to be able to install android I changed the partitioning of the sdcard
May 07 12:48:16 <jan___> can this be related?
May 07 12:48:58 <PaulFertser> You're doomed! Android got your soul already.
May 07 12:49:08 <PaulFertser> No way back. Go learn Java.
May 07 12:49:11 <PaulFertser> ;)
May 07 12:52:29 <jan___> Thanks for these nice words PaulFertser
May 07 12:52:40 <DocScrutinizer> should suffice
May 07 12:52:51 <DocScrutinizer> if not I'll give him another call
May 07 12:53:10 <DocScrutinizer> oops
May 07 12:57:42 <PaulFertser> jan___: are you unable to spot irony? If yes, i'm sorry, i didn't mean to offend you or to make fun of you or whatever.
May 07 12:59:56 <jan___> Paul, I got the irony, it is appreciated :-)
May 07 13:01:00 <PaulFertser> jan___: have you flashed SHR to NAND?
May 07 13:01:21 <jan___> I'm not sure. I used neotool.
May 07 13:02:14 <jan___> I think I know no how to work around it.
May 07 13:02:15 <PaulFertser> jan___: for somebody to help you you need to be more precise, unfortunetely
May 07 13:02:52 <jan___> when I start the freerunner into the boot menu (by holding the aux button)
May 07 13:03:07 <jan___> and then select boot. shr is started...
May 07 13:03:36 <jan___> But when I just start  the freerunner I get the error message.
May 07 13:03:49 <jan___> Maybe it is trying to boot from the sdcard then.
May 07 13:04:52 <PaulFertser> jan___: from your description i'm even unable to get if you're using NOR or NAND bootloader in the first case :(
May 07 13:08:04 <jan___> I'm going to try to find out, let me check the wiki...
May 07 13:28:09 <PaulFertser> jan___: also of interest is which bootloader you have installed in NAND.
May 07 13:36:49 <badcloud> can anyone help me find a prebuilt debian image for fr?
May 07 13:37:22 <badcloud> http://rabenfrost.net/debian/debian-armel-xfce.tar.bz2 has been non-existent for quite some time
May 07 13:38:57 <badcloud> fine, I'll try bootstrap
May 07 13:39:05 <badcloud> *debootstrap
May 07 13:42:02 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8b5e2e2cb386 10/libfsoframework/ (4 files in 2 dirs): specify dbus errors where necessary
May 07 13:42:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra7f04e7153d7 10/libfsoframework/tests/.gitignore: fsoframework: gitignore++
May 07 13:42:04 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rafb8d9a9a9c1 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel26_leds: throw proper dbus errors
May 07 13:42:54 <jan___> PaulFertser: I read through the wiki: I have Qi to boot. It starts booting from the sdcard
May 07 13:43:13 <jan___> so removing the bootable partition that tries to install android
May 07 13:43:46 <jan___> will probably save the issue. When I boot from NOR, I'm able boot the SHR installation.
May 07 13:43:54 <PaulFertser> jan___: yep. And it decides about bootability of partition by presence of /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin file.
May 07 13:44:04 <badcloud> ok, someone's gotta explain this one to me
May 07 13:44:04 <badcloud> just flashed 14.April shr testing
May 07 13:44:04 <badcloud> +kernel
May 07 13:44:04 <badcloud> tar gives me 'invalid option --z'
May 07 13:44:05 <badcloud> I mean, cmmmonnnnn...
May 07 13:44:23 <PaulFertser> jan___: Well, just remove the kernel from SD and Qi will boot from NAND then.
May 07 13:44:43 <PaulFertser> badcloud: stupid busybox miscompilation.
May 07 13:44:50 <badcloud> nutsack
May 07 13:45:09 <jan___> PaulFertser: I'll do that. Thanks!
May 07 13:45:29 <badcloud> how would you go about putting debian on uSD then?
May 07 13:45:46 <PaulFertser> badcloud: gzip
May 07 13:45:57 <PaulFertser> badcloud: the old-school way, pipe gzip output to tar.
May 07 13:46:06 <badcloud> I figured
May 07 13:46:22 <badcloud> thanks
May 07 13:47:29 <DocScrutinizer> bomb busybox
May 07 13:47:36 <DocScrutinizer> nuke this crap!
May 07 13:47:42 <alphaone> ACK
May 07 13:48:08 <bernt> badcloud: or take a look at the install script from http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh
May 07 13:49:31 <badcloud> Ill have a look, thanks bernt
May 07 13:50:14 <DocScrutinizer> I bet if I got busybox PLUS all the /bin/* I need to fix the army of bugs in there, it's higher diskusage than a plain install without any busybox at all
May 07 13:50:15 <badcloud> bernt, I think I ran into the same problem with that script
May 07 13:52:02 <bernt> badcloud, which problem? I have used this functions several times.
May 07 13:52:38 <badcloud> I'll try it again, but it usually quits when it gets to the gzip portion of tar 'invalid option --z'
May 07 13:54:52 <bernt> badcloud, search in the script for tar and you will see some interesting things ;-)
May 07 13:56:07 <badcloud> looks mildly promising
May 07 13:56:11 <badcloud> I'll give it a whirl
May 07 13:56:49 <bernt> look at action_testing (): there it fetches a working tar.
May 07 13:57:59 <badcloud> 'chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: No such file or directory'
May 07 13:58:26 <badcloud> using 'QI=true QI_VERBOSE_BOOT=true INSR_DIR=/media/card ./install.sh time mount kernel debian apt fso configuration unmount'
May 07 14:00:01 <badcloud> http://pastebin.com/m7160c9c9
May 07 14:00:03 <bernt> try one step after one, not all at the same time.
May 07 14:00:55 <badcloud> same with only 'kernel'
May 07 14:01:56 <badcloud> 'debian' only gives me invalid option -- z
May 07 14:02:13 <bernt> I would use only one partition. and allways check that the partitions are not mounted before doing fdisk.
May 07 14:02:46 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc25b50f5edea 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/action.py: oeventsd: action.py: restore python2.5-compatibility, thanks Paul Fertser for spotting
May 07 14:03:21 <badcloud> so I should delete the first partition?
May 07 14:03:42 <bernt> yes, and kernel is the last thing to do...
May 07 14:04:56 <bernt> you can make two partitions for / and home or so, but the first should be ext3 and big enough.
May 07 14:08:11 <badcloud> argg, QI=true QI_VERBOSE_BOOT=true ./install.sh mount debian unmount                          
May 07 14:08:11 <badcloud> chroot: cannot execute apt-cache: No such file or directory
May 07 14:08:11 <badcloud> Running stage mount
May 07 14:08:11 <badcloud> Mounting the newly created system
May 07 14:08:11 <badcloud> mount: /dev/mmcblk0p1 is not a valid block device
May 07 14:08:50 <badcloud> the only partition I have now is /dev/mmcblk0p2
May 07 14:09:06 <badcloud> so why is it trying to access a non-existent partition?
May 07 14:14:24 <bernt> dont know, it seems it want to mount partition one ...
May 07 14:15:07 <bernt> perhaps you have to reboot after fdisk ...
May 07 14:15:23 <badcloud> I did
May 07 14:15:46 <badcloud> something is rotten in the state of Denmark
May 07 14:15:56 <bernt> then try to delete all partitions and make them new.
May 07 14:16:01 <PaulFertser> bernt: in normal conditions (when you fdisk a disk without any mounted partitions) the kernel rereads partition table after fdisk saves modifications.
May 07 14:16:47 <badcloud> it gave me the 'kernel still uses old table'
May 07 14:16:52 <badcloud> so I rebooted
May 07 14:16:58 <badcloud> no apparent change
May 07 14:17:14 <bernt> PaulFertser: but sometimes there are also warnings and so on ... 
May 07 14:17:22 <badcloud> '/dev/mmcblk0p1 is still there
May 07 14:17:49 <bernt> how many partitions give fdisk -l
May 07 14:19:34 <badcloud> just one
May 07 14:19:39 <badcloud> '/dev/mmcblk0p2
May 07 14:20:23 <bernt> and dont forget to first umount /media/card or so. Most distributions allways mount the sdcard if they can.
May 07 14:20:44 <badcloud> did thta
May 07 14:20:45 <badcloud> t
May 07 14:20:47 <badcloud> *that
May 07 14:20:56 <bernt> is /dev/mmcblk0p2 mounted to something?
May 07 14:21:01 <badcloud> nope
May 07 14:21:25 <badcloud> 'mount' is trying to access mmcblk0p1 within the install script
May 07 14:21:31 <badcloud> for some reason
May 07 14:21:33 <bernt> then you can try the fdisk once again: remove all, create a new one.
May 07 14:22:02 <badcloud> I'll just skip the mount switch
May 07 14:22:25 <bernt> and this mounting from the install script can also be done by hand ;-) the you have the full control ...
May 07 14:22:54 <badcloud> ... and I get the invalid -z option again
May 07 14:22:55 <badcloud> %&*(
May 07 14:24:23 <badcloud> I give up
May 07 14:25:15 <bernt> to get the right tar you must first `install.sh testing`
May 07 14:30:40 <badcloud> WORKING
May 07 14:30:46 <badcloud> thanks, bernt
May 07 14:35:47 <bernt> badcloud: there you see: don't give up, try it until it works. sometime you need a small rest to see the solution ...
May 07 14:37:57 <badcloud> right
May 07 14:38:09 <badcloud> never would have linked 'testing' with tar though
May 07 14:40:09 <Digital_Pioneer> OK, after the latest upgrade of SHR-unstable, all my E libs are broken.
May 07 14:40:31 <Digital_Pioneer> They exist, but the filenames are screwed up and at least one program can't find them.
May 07 14:41:02 <Digital_Pioneer> They all look like libedje-ver-pre-svn-01.so.0 instead of libedje.so.0
May 07 14:43:41 <bernt> Digital_Pioneer: you can try, to do a `ln -s libedje-ver-pre-svn-01.so.0 libedje.so.0` and so on ...
May 07 14:53:36 <Digital_Pioneer> bernt: I tried that... There seem to be more than I care to do without some kind of automation....
May 07 14:53:55 <Digital_Pioneer> 44 of them, I guess.
May 07 14:54:09 <Digital_Pioneer> And that's rather dirty. I would prefer to FIX the problem....
May 07 14:54:31 <Digital_Pioneer> 22 I guess, half of them are symlinks themselves.
May 07 15:16:58 <Digital_Pioneer> Anyone know why hitting delete on the FR's shell causes it to type a ~ instead of removing the next character? It's extremely annoying.
May 07 15:19:54 <Digital_Pioneer> Well, fixed my libs, with a little symlink magic. Had to use perl, bash just doesn't have powerful enough regexes... :P
May 07 15:22:23 <Digital_Pioneer> And the cursed power menu is broken.... When I hit the power button, it just draws about a one pixel wide line down the middle of the screen that does me no good whatsoever.
May 07 15:29:05 <SpeedEvil> you're unaware of the power of ##?
May 07 15:31:16 <Digital_Pioneer> SpeedEvil: I assume so.
May 07 15:31:52 <Digital_Pioneer> SpeedEvil: Looks like a comment.
May 07 15:32:24 <SpeedEvil>       ${parameter##word}
May 07 15:32:56 <Digital_Pioneer> Indeed, I have no idea what that does.
May 07 15:33:04 <SpeedEvil> x=foobar
May 07 15:33:30 <SpeedEvil> echo ${bar##x}
May 07 15:33:31 <SpeedEvil> foo
May 07 15:33:36 <mwester> re
May 07 15:33:37 <SpeedEvil> or something like that
May 07 15:34:16 <Digital_Pioneer> So it cuts what's before the ## out of the variable after the ##?
May 07 15:34:17 <SpeedEvil> It's not quite regex, but close
May 07 15:35:26 <SpeedEvil> probably not - on rereading the manpage - I think I've gotten the args the wrong way round
May 07 15:36:23 <SpeedEvil> variants to do cut matching string of max/minimum length from beginning/end of a pattern, and to replace
May 07 15:36:53 <SpeedEvil> On my other box, forex, I've got a path set that displays only the last 3 path elements.
May 07 15:39:53 <Digital_Pioneer> Ehh, I'll figure BASH out someday... :P
May 07 15:47:42 <Blu3> hmm, where is the -rc3 kernel?
May 07 17:08:28 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03Nytowl * r4968 10/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/gsmhandset.state: New recommendation for gsmhandset.state
May 07 17:27:25 <Blu3> where is the shr documentation re profiles for audio volume, ringtones, etc so i can figure out why i constantly have to restore headset volume and why i don't get ringtones for incoming calls and messages?
May 07 17:27:55 <dos1> Blu3: are you editing state files?
May 07 17:28:01 <dos1> to edit volume?
May 07 17:28:38 <Blu3> nope, i run alsactl -f /path/to/file to restore handset volume so i can talk to someone on the fone
May 07 17:29:00 <Blu3> setting the profile in shr settings doesn't fix it
May 07 17:29:30 <Blu3> i.e. alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state restore
May 07 17:30:58 <dos1> Blu3: profile with shr-settings isn't related with volumes
May 07 17:31:07 <dos1> Blu3: you should look at frameworkd logs
May 07 17:31:40 <Blu3> shr-settings controls whether ring tones happen, right?
May 07 17:32:05 <dos1> Blu3: shr-settings doesn't control anything
May 07 17:32:24 <Blu3> what's the point of having it on the fone then?
May 07 17:32:33 <dos1> Blu3: shr-settings is only frontend to FSO (or ophonekitd in Display module) dbus calls
May 07 17:32:51 <Blu3> right
May 07 17:32:52 <dos1> Blu3: cause you need to have it, when you want to set profile? :P
May 07 17:33:12 <Blu3> and setting the profile says whether to do vibrate, silent, or ring
May 07 17:33:13 <dos1> profiles in shr-settings are only to change ringtone, turn on/off vibrating etc.
May 07 17:33:14 <Blu3> so....
May 07 17:33:27 <dos1> Blu3: so? i don't get the point
May 07 17:33:36 <dos1> if it says "vibrate", it has to be related with state files?
May 07 17:33:49 <Blu3> setting the ringtone for messages doesn't work, setting ring vs. vibrate doesn't work
May 07 17:34:05 <dos1> Blu3: it work... it's something strange on your installation
May 07 17:34:12 <dos1> s/work/works/
May 07 17:34:12 <apt> dos1 meant: Blu3: it works... it's something strange on your installation
May 07 17:34:28 <Blu3> yes well, maybe that's why i asked for the documentation regarding this stuff so i can figure it out :P
May 07 17:34:39 <dos1> Blu3: do you have fresh image?
May 07 17:35:05 <Blu3> oh boy.  i do not want to go through the hassle of "wipe and reinstall" to fix things.  that's so microsoft
May 07 17:35:30 <dos1> Blu3: as I. i'm only asking to know, if fresh images have this problem ;p
May 07 17:36:06 <dos1> Blu3: but in fact we don't support big updates in SHR now...
May 07 17:36:09 <Blu3> i've no idea.  it happened after an upgrade about errrr, about three to four weeks back i think
May 07 17:36:12 <khiraly11> re
May 07 17:36:17 <khiraly11> raster are here?
May 07 17:36:22 <dos1> you have to fix it on your own, if something went wrong
May 07 17:36:37 <Blu3> that's fine.  i just need to find the documentation
May 07 17:36:55 <dos1> but i still don't know what documentation you mean...
May 07 17:36:58 <Blu3> what files are involved and what processes set this
May 07 17:37:13 <dos1> cat /var/log/frameworkd.log
May 07 17:37:19 <dos1> it should be your documentation ;)
May 07 17:37:24 <Blu3> ugg
May 07 17:37:30 <Blu3> not exactly
May 07 17:38:18 <Blu3> i have framework logging set all the way to debug
May 07 17:38:27 <Blu3> it's vague
May 07 17:38:46 <dos1> odeviced should set proper statefile requested by oeventsd
May 07 17:39:06 <Blu3> rules files say things like RingTone() have either 'start' or 'stop' but neither is actually used
May 07 17:39:35 <dos1> Blu3: comments in rules file are outdated
May 07 17:39:47 <Blu3> fixing the comments would help :P
May 07 17:40:00 <Blu3> bad documentation doesn't help much :P
May 07 17:40:20 <dos1> Blu3: it should be done by some fso guy... i'm only hacking opimd, other parts of frameworkd are mysterious for me ;)
May 07 17:40:46 <khiraly11> somebody know how can I force illume keyboard to reload the dictionary?
May 07 17:40:57 <Blu3> they're mysterious for everyone not intimately familiar with all the changes under the hood
May 07 17:41:29 <mirko-paroli> Blu3: did you read the fso specs?
May 07 17:42:12 <Blu3> and where are the fso specs?
May 07 17:42:22 <mirko-paroli> Blu3: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/index.html;hb=HEAD
May 07 17:43:21 <Blu3> ok, but where is the initial configuration for "default" stored on a shr image?
May 07 17:43:34 <Blu3> where does it come from before it gets pushed into dbus?
May 07 17:43:49 <dos1> /etc/frameworkd.conf and /etc/freesmartphone/...
May 07 17:45:12 <Blu3> neither of those indicate which ringtone is used for calls and messages
May 07 17:45:54 <dos1> Blu3: you are not searching properly
May 07 17:45:57 <mirko-paroli> Blu3: use mdbus -s to query the opreferencesd 
May 07 17:46:00 <dos1> in /etc/freesmartphone are profiles defined
May 07 17:46:19 <Blu3> yes, they're defined.  but where is the "default" selection made?
May 07 17:46:24 <dos1> in opreferencesd folder i think
May 07 17:46:26 <dos1> in the same folder
May 07 17:51:03 <Blu3> 2009.05.07 12:42:30 oeventsd ERROR    can't parse rule {'while': 'CallStatus()', 'filters': ['Or(HasAttr(status, "outgoing"), HasAttr(status, "active"))', 'Not(BTHeadsetIsConnected())'], 'actions': ['SetScenario(gsmhandset)']} : Function BTHeadsetIsConnected not registered
May 07 17:51:48 <dos1> Blu3: which version of frameworkd you have?
May 07 17:52:04 <dos1> looks strange
May 07 17:52:21 <Blu3> frameworkd - 0.8.5.1+gitrc9e5d80540d505fe64d2acae7bbd0645625446f2-r0 -
May 07 17:52:38 <dos1> looks old
May 07 17:53:00 <dos1> opkg list | grep frameworkd
May 07 17:53:17 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: how can we debug this calling bug?
May 07 17:53:29 <mirko-paroli> I am about to flash the fresh unstable
May 07 17:53:31 <mirko-paroli> got 2 sims
May 07 17:53:32 <mirko-paroli> 3 phones
May 07 17:53:37 <mirko-paroli> the bug will die tonight
May 07 17:54:32 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: I can help you with testing. I have my girlfriend's phone what I can call for free
May 07 17:54:43 <mirko-paroli> hehe k
May 07 17:54:54 <mirko-paroli> you could flash the latest unstable as well
May 07 17:55:03 <mirko-paroli> then we have the same to work with
May 07 17:55:08 <Blu3> 0.8.5.1+gitr516f48762ab7afa4e4702a0ba01bc0a004ae4c60-r1     0.8.5.1+gitr072434b0ac588e5ed899809cc908883627a04e8d-r2      0.8.5.1+gitr1352+072434b0ac588e5ed899809cc908883627a04e8d-r1     0.8.5.1+gitrc9e5d80540d505fe64d2acae7bbd0645625446f2-r0
May 07 17:55:40 <dos1> Blu3: which of them are just frameworkd, without -config?
May 07 17:55:51 <Blu3> those are all just frameworkd
May 07 17:56:02 <dos1> very strange
May 07 17:56:15 <dos1> Blu3: you played with repos, did you?
May 07 17:56:38 <dos1> s/did/didn't/
May 07 17:56:38 <apt> dos1 meant: Blu3: you played with repos, didn't you?
May 07 17:56:42 <dos1> or something like that 
May 07 17:56:43 <dos1> ;p
May 07 17:56:49 <Blu3> played with is a loose term since you must edit and fix them after purchasing the phone
May 07 17:57:08 <dos1> hmm?
May 07 17:57:29 <Blu3> and i would never accuse OM related documentation of being straightforward, up to date, and accurate
May 07 17:57:30 <dos1> what repos are you using?
May 07 17:57:40 <Blu3> in other words, yes, i've modified my repo file
May 07 17:57:46 <dos1> if you are using SHR, you don't have to play with repos at all
May 07 17:58:07 <dos1> only when you are using unstable, and we moves unstable to testing, and you want to keep your version ;p
May 07 17:58:56 <Blu3> in order to install  half a functioning phone with you have to use different repos.
May 07 17:58:59 <dos1> Blu3: probably you have some incompatible feed, which has old frameworkd version, and broken version number
May 07 17:59:13 <dos1> Blu3: i'm using SHR as my daily phone, and i'm using only SHR distro
May 07 17:59:18 <Blu3> src/gz om-unstable-all http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t
May 07 17:59:18 <dos1> s/distro/feed/
May 07 17:59:19 <apt> dos1 meant: Blu3: i'm using SHR as my daily phone, and i'm using only SHR feed
May 07 17:59:24 <dos1> uhhhh
May 07 17:59:32 <dos1> om feeds are NOT compatible with SHR
May 07 17:59:43 <Blu3> what is the repo you are using?
May 07 17:59:50 <dos1> SHR unstable
May 07 18:00:10 <Sharwin_F> dos1, are you far from adding wifi manager to shr-settings? :)
May 07 18:00:19 <Blu3> omg
May 07 18:00:20 <dos1> and my repo, which i'm using to test my packages
May 07 18:00:23 <Blu3> lskdf
May 07 18:00:29 <Blu3> maybe..... unstable-feed.conf:src/gz experimental-all http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t
May 07 18:00:29 <Blu3> ?
May 07 18:00:40 <dos1> Blu3: yep
May 07 18:01:17 <Blu3> since i have it in my repo list, and since you say it has the most current framework available, then opkg should choose that package version as the most current
May 07 18:01:30 <dos1> Sharwin_F: it should be added soon ;)
May 07 18:01:41 <dos1> Blu3: no, if you have repo with broken version number :P
May 07 18:01:55 <Blu3> i showed you all the version numbers available
May 07 18:02:02 <Blu3> you said mine was old
May 07 18:02:26 <Blu3> i have shr, if mine is old and shr is new, then i would have the newest available on shr
May 07 18:02:38 <dos1> Blu3: no, no, no!
May 07 18:02:47 <dos1> you have old version with broken version number
May 07 18:03:08 <dos1> 0.8.5.1+gitr1352+072434b0ac588e5ed899809cc908883627a04e8d-r1 is never than your  0.8.5.1+gitrc9e5d80540d505fe64d2acae7bbd0645625446f2-r0
May 07 18:03:46 <dos1> but try to compare that version manually
May 07 18:03:53 <dos1> 0.8.5.1+gitr is equal
May 07 18:04:08 <dos1> but next char, "c" is higher than "1"
May 07 18:04:54 <dos1> so version  0.8.5.1+gitrc9e5d80540d505fe64d2acae7bbd0645625446f2-r0 is using wrong scheme, causing opkg to think that's the newest
May 07 18:05:51 <Blu3> gawd i love gentoo portage so much better
May 07 18:07:00 <selke> hey, anyone know how to set a smaller font for the desktop-icons on the home-screen?
May 07 18:07:24 <dos1> Blu3: yep, opkg is crap, but your problem is not opkg problem; is package problem ;p
May 07 18:07:30 <dos1> use official feeds
May 07 18:07:57 <dos1> and if you want some app, which is not in official feeds, bug someone to add it to feed :P
May 07 18:08:09 <Blu3> official feeds don't have all the software to make a usable phone.  i.e. updated versions of tangogps, claws mail, etc, etc
May 07 18:08:13 <Blu3> yeah, like that gets anywhere :p
May 07 18:08:57 <dos1> i think you are talking about different official feeds than i know ;p
May 07 18:09:06 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: I have found a pattern, when fails the "call screen"
May 07 18:09:10 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: are you here?
May 07 18:09:12 <Blu3> it goes along the lines of a) silence, or b) just wait until <some package> is ready
May 07 18:09:15 <Blu3> like opimd
May 07 18:09:19 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: yeah
May 07 18:09:26 <khiraly11> ok
May 07 18:09:48 <khiraly11> First my girlfriend called me, I could answer and hangup also
May 07 18:09:50 <dos1> Blu3: opimd?
May 07 18:10:04 <khiraly11> The second time I could answer, but I could not hang up anymore
May 07 18:10:08 <dos1> Blu3: there is "package requests" section on trac
May 07 18:10:09 <mirko-paroli> oh
May 07 18:10:14 <khiraly11> and after that I couldnt answer the phone anymore
May 07 18:10:29 <mirko-paroli> hmm
May 07 18:10:33 <dos1> and i remember, when i was asking for packages, they were in repo in the same day ;p
May 07 18:10:42 <mirko-paroli> can you do the usual and paste the log?
May 07 18:10:45 <dos1> of course if there is bb file for that package
May 07 18:10:58 <khiraly11> And between calls there wasnt 2 minute pause. Maybe half minute
May 07 18:11:25 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: ok. Just a side note, this is the testing paroli (not the git one)
May 07 18:11:35 <mirko-paroli> ah k
May 07 18:11:51 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: than it could be a request cpu problem
May 07 18:12:59 <khiraly11> nope
May 07 18:13:14 <khiraly11> because if it the request cpu problem, it would "heal" byself
May 07 18:13:22 <khiraly11> and would happen *randomly *
May 07 18:13:26 <khiraly11> am I right?
May 07 18:13:33 <mirko-paroli> it would happen whenever you end a call
May 07 18:13:45 <khiraly11> and if the other ends the call?
May 07 18:13:46 <mirko-paroli> and after that you would not be able to accept another one
May 07 18:13:54 <mirko-paroli> than the framework could die
May 07 18:14:54 <khiraly11> and how can I check if the framework dies?
May 07 18:15:04 <khiraly11> ok. still you interested in the log?
May 07 18:15:07 <mirko-paroli> ehm
May 07 18:15:09 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 07 18:16:05 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: and please implement this piracy option
May 07 18:16:12 <mirko-paroli> LOL
May 07 18:16:12 <khiraly11> in the log files
May 07 18:16:25 <mirko-paroli> I am open for patches :)
May 07 18:16:28 <khiraly11> +362052xxxxx3
May 07 18:16:31 <khiraly11> ok
May 07 18:16:32 <mirko-paroli> actually I was trying to take that out earlier
May 07 18:16:34 <khiraly11> I will do it
May 07 18:16:38 <mirko-paroli> didn't find it right away
May 07 18:17:34 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.com/d1c151172
May 07 18:18:55 <mirko-paroli> check line 418
May 07 18:19:01 <mirko-paroli> it is the cpu occupy
May 07 18:19:27 <khiraly11> ok. I will install the unstable when I get home
May 07 18:21:02 <mirko-paroli> i hope we have a new one till then ;)
May 07 18:24:16 <khiraly11> would be nice to install in parallel a git version too
May 07 18:24:20 <khiraly11> just for development
May 07 18:25:07 <khiraly11> because the git version has difficulties sometime to start
May 07 18:25:14 <mirko-paroli> ?
May 07 18:25:28 <khiraly11> failed to allocate GSM resource, etc
May 07 18:25:38 <khiraly11> dont have an error message right now
May 07 18:27:46 <khiraly11> so would be nice to have a development version (what I did /usr/share/nfs-paroli)
May 07 18:28:20 <khiraly11> anyway. I will be at home within two hours
May 07 18:28:25 <mirko-paroli> k
May 07 18:28:28 <mirko-paroli> nice trip :)
May 07 18:45:54 <freerunnerlive> hallo
May 07 18:46:06 <mirko-paroli> hi
May 07 18:46:18 <freerunnerlive> kann trisoft nen buzz fix machen ?
May 07 18:46:39 <freerunnerlive> oder ist ein golden Delirious anwesend
May 07 18:48:21 * mwester looks looks in his Hungarian/English phrasebook:  "My hovercraft is full of eels."
May 07 18:48:33 <Defiant> freerunnerlive: english please
May 07 18:48:54 <freerunnerlive> ohh
May 07 18:49:12 <Defiant> freerunnerlive: want a free battery?
May 07 18:50:28 <Defiant> freerunnerlive: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework
May 07 19:35:27 <khiraly11> mirko: are you here?
May 07 19:35:37 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: yepp
May 07 19:35:41 <mirko-paroli> toying with unstable
May 07 19:35:53 <khiraly11> mirko-paroli: When the paroli failed (the distro one) I cant run the git paroli
May 07 19:35:54 <mirko-paroli> so far no call error
May 07 19:36:00 <khiraly11> here is the error message: http://pastebin.com/d8af5c90
May 07 19:36:48 <mirko-paroli> one sec I'll try the PIN request here
May 07 19:38:17 <mirko-paroli> oh
May 07 19:38:23 <mirko-paroli> I get the same error
May 07 19:38:25 <mirko-paroli> one sec
May 07 19:38:31 <mirko-paroli> let me fix this *cough*
May 07 19:40:16 <khiraly11> ok Im going home
May 07 19:40:55 <mirko-paroli> khiraly11: i thought you were already on your wa
May 07 19:40:57 <mirko-paroli> y
May 07 19:41:02 <khiraly11> nope
May 07 19:41:11 <khiraly11> Im going *now*
May 07 19:41:19 <mirko-paroli> k i'll fix this and try to get a new image built
May 07 19:41:19 <khiraly11> the route takes about one hour
May 07 19:41:21 <khiraly11> ok. bye
May 07 19:41:24 <Blu3> ok.  i've removed all repos except the shr unstables, i'll deal with the lack of other packages later.  i need to fix ophonekitd now, 'tis segfaulting
May 07 19:41:24 <mirko-paroli> cya
May 07 19:41:38 <Blu3> and framework is breaking w/ opimd
May 07 19:41:50 <dos1> Blu3: what?
May 07 19:42:08 <Blu3> opimd should be an easy fix, OperationalError: unable to open database file
May 07 19:42:37 <dos1> Blu3: it shouldn't break on this error...
May 07 19:43:08 <Blu3> frameworkd isn't crashing, just unable to do opimd
May 07 19:43:16 <Blu3> ophonekitd is the one crashing
May 07 19:44:47 <Blu3> ** (process:1645): DEBUG: call ogsmd_device_set_antenna_power()
May 07 19:44:47 <Blu3> Failed to handle dbus error: Resource Device is not enabled, current status is 'enabling', 78 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32
May 07 19:46:15 <Blu3> hmm, ophonekitd is crashing w/ sigill
May 07 19:56:08 <lord-carlos> re
May 07 19:59:26 <Blu3> 'lo
May 07 20:03:14 <Blu3> hmm, after a few restarts of frameworkd ophonekitd stops segfaulting
May 07 20:15:38 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rbb84c7102de0 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: backend manager: raise correct errors and Init on Enable()
May 07 20:15:40 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r287f33ddf0b1 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (5 files): 
May 07 20:15:40 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: opimd: Contacts: implement merging
May 07 20:15:40 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Contacts, Messages: rename enumerate_(contacts|messages) to enumerate_items
May 07 20:16:54 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rc6ade7c3a087 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/helpers.py: opimd: helpers: add IncorectDomain error
May 07 21:18:19 <Blu3> errrr, ok, oddness.  ophonekitd didn't pop a dialog up to answer an inbound phone call
May 07 21:20:12 <khiraly1> re
May 07 21:21:03 <khiraly1> mirko-paroli: so where is this unstable distribution?
May 07 21:21:18 <mirko-paroli> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/
May 07 21:23:32 <khiraly1> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz
May 07 21:23:35 <khiraly1> ^^ this one?
May 07 21:23:39 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 07 21:23:43 <khiraly1> I want on the sd card
May 07 21:23:43 <khiraly1> ok
May 07 21:23:49 <khiraly1> do I need uImage too?
May 07 21:23:56 <khiraly1> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.bin
May 07 21:23:58 <khiraly1> ^^
May 07 21:24:03 <mirko-paroli> sure
May 07 21:24:37 <khiraly1> hmm. It works with the default uImage too
May 07 21:24:48 <khiraly1> (what is in the /boot directory)
May 07 21:24:58 <khiraly1> in the tar.gz file
May 07 21:25:09 <khiraly1> ok. I will download the uImage too then
May 07 21:27:56 <khiraly1> downloading
May 07 21:30:24 <mirko-paroli> k, finally hunted down the message counter bug
May 07 21:30:44 <khiraly1> there is a counter?
May 07 21:30:48 <khiraly1> didnt see it
May 07 21:30:58 <mirko-paroli> on the homescreen
May 07 21:31:03 <mirko-paroli> it shows missed calls and sms
May 07 21:31:10 <khiraly1> ah ok
May 07 21:31:27 <khiraly1> because in the sms we definietly need some counter what counts down from 160
May 07 21:39:15 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9a989ab8df8a 10/libfsoframework/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: openlog does not copy the ident string, make sure it's not removed
May 07 21:39:15 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4fa806a5d3bc 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: fsoframework: kernel26_leds: leds 1.0 :)
May 07 21:40:20 <khiraly1> im erasing the sd card
May 07 21:40:24 <khiraly1> takes too much time
May 07 21:40:36 <lindi-> khiraly1: erasing?
May 07 21:40:56 <khiraly1> yepp. To decompress the newest .tar.gz file
May 07 21:41:21 <khiraly1> so I erase everything from it (before tar xvf the new distro)
May 07 21:41:32 <khiraly1> lindi-: have a better method?
May 07 21:42:36 <lindi-> khiraly1: just mkfs?
May 07 21:42:42 <khiraly1> doh
May 07 21:42:45 <khiraly1> you are right
May 07 21:43:18 <lindi-> or rsync only the changes
May 07 21:43:34 <lindi-> no need to torture the SD unnecessarily :)
May 07 21:43:50 <khiraly1> rsync? so should I decompress on my local computer and use rsync?
May 07 21:44:02 <lindi-> khiraly1: for example
May 07 21:44:02 <khiraly1> does rsync correctly handles the dev files?
May 07 21:44:08 <khiraly1> like /dev/*
May 07 21:44:22 <lindi-> khiraly1: sure if you are root
May 07 21:44:36 <lindi-> and use rsync -a
May 07 21:45:13 <khiraly1> root where? on local computer?
May 07 21:45:37 <khiraly1> ok. I will read on rsync. But mkfs.ext2 is easy and takes only one minute
May 07 21:48:30 <lindi-> khiraly1: both
May 07 21:53:49 <mirko-paroli> khiraly1: I suspect the image has a problem
May 07 21:54:02 <mirko-paroli> you won't be able to start paroli without modifying the start script
May 07 21:54:19 <mirko-paroli> just to give you a heads-up
May 07 21:56:07 <khiraly1> okok
May 07 21:56:51 <mirko-paroli> a new build is underway
May 07 21:57:37 <khiraly1> I can wait for it
May 07 21:57:47 <khiraly1> or try out rsync on it;)
May 07 22:05:31 <Blu3> where in framework is the default spec that says to disable wifi on startup?
May 07 22:06:11 <khiraly1> ok. Installed. Trying to boot
May 07 22:07:06 <mirko-paroli> k
May 07 22:07:12 <khiraly1> mirko-paroli: start script. You mean the Xsession file? So I need to manucally click on the desktop icon?
May 07 22:07:25 <mirko-paroli> no the actual /usr/bin/paroli
May 07 22:07:40 <khiraly1> hmm. It does not boot at all
May 07 22:08:35 <khiraly1> there are trillion of message when booting: ext4_free_data: circular indirect block detected inode=12777, block =
May 07 22:08:58 <khiraly1> oh. It booted anyways
May 07 22:09:13 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03dos 07framework * rf75e2be34b9f 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: implement GetUsedBackends()
May 07 22:09:34 <khiraly1> mirko-paroli: do you get also this strange dmesg messagE?
May 07 22:09:52 <mirko-paroli> maybe I didn't pay close attention
May 07 22:10:34 <khiraly1> Paroli stopped running unexpectedly
May 07 22:10:39 <khiraly1> ^^ you mean this?
May 07 22:10:42 <ndnihil> maybe he got tired?
May 07 22:10:45 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 07 22:10:48 * ndnihil rimshot
May 07 22:11:14 <mirko-paroli> there is 2 indentation errors
May 07 22:11:21 <khiraly1> doh
May 07 22:11:23 <khiraly1> thats it?
May 07 22:11:29 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 07 22:11:37 <mirko-paroli> line 203
May 07 22:11:43 <mirko-paroli> and 205 i think
May 07 22:11:55 <khiraly1> since I pressed the ok button, the display stayed black
May 07 22:12:25 <khiraly1> (paroli closed unexpectedly. [OK])
May 07 22:12:34 <mirko-paroli> ah
May 07 22:12:37 <mirko-paroli> ok
May 07 22:12:41 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 07 22:12:46 <mirko-paroli> that is the paroli profile
May 07 22:12:49 <mirko-paroli> ssh in
May 07 22:13:01 <mirko-paroli> and vi the errors away ;)
May 07 22:16:31 <khiraly1> ehh
May 07 22:16:39 <khiraly1> this distro goes suspend all the time
May 07 22:16:50 <mirko-paroli> while on dbus?
May 07 22:17:05 <mirko-paroli> sry
May 07 22:17:08 <mirko-paroli> on usb of course
May 07 22:17:44 <khiraly1> yepp
May 07 22:17:54 <mirko-paroli> uh
May 07 22:18:01 <mirko-paroli> what means all the time
May 07 22:18:04 <mirko-paroli> every 30s ?
May 07 22:18:04 <khiraly1> i need to tap on the phone 30 secs or so
May 07 22:18:10 <mirko-paroli> ah
May 07 22:18:23 <khiraly1> I couldnt edit /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg
May 07 22:18:24 <mirko-paroli> could be that the rules weren't copied correctly
May 07 22:18:35 <mirko-paroli> why would you?
May 07 22:19:24 <khiraly1> to disable paroli fullscreen
May 07 22:19:37 <mirko-paroli> that is not in the cfg
May 07 22:19:44 <mirko-paroli> that is a dbus command to e
May 07 22:20:40 <khiraly1> it was some advanced option
May 07 22:20:57 <mirko-paroli> not in paroli.cfg
May 07 22:22:00 <mirko-paroli> mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.Profile.Set illume
May 07 22:22:13 <mirko-paroli> you have to do an export DISPLAY=:0 first
May 07 22:22:58 <khiraly1> I can do this via the setting menu of paroli
May 07 22:23:01 <khiraly1> no?
May 07 22:23:06 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 07 22:23:15 <mirko-paroli> but if you can't launch paroli
May 07 22:23:25 <khiraly1> I launched though ssh
May 07 22:23:32 <khiraly1> and appeared on the screen
May 07 22:23:38 <mirko-paroli> ah k
May 07 22:23:40 <khiraly1> I changed to illume
May 07 22:23:44 <khiraly1> do I need to restart?
May 07 22:23:47 <mirko-paroli> nope
May 07 22:23:55 <mirko-paroli> did you do an export DISPLAY=:0 before?
May 07 22:24:02 <khiraly1> yes
May 07 22:24:02 <mirko-paroli> e is bound to the session
May 07 22:24:04 <mirko-paroli> hmm
May 07 22:24:07 <mirko-paroli> then it should be ther
May 07 22:24:09 <mirko-paroli> e
May 07 22:24:12 <mirko-paroli> and work
May 07 22:24:40 <khiraly1> I have profile illume, when I go to the settings
May 07 22:24:44 <khiraly1> but no illume bar
May 07 22:24:51 <badcloud> I'm finished installing debian on the uSD using the script
May 07 22:24:53 <mirko-paroli> i suggest you reboot the phone
May 07 22:25:04 <badcloud> figured the next step is to umount /mnt/debian
May 07 22:25:10 <badcloud> but the device is busy
May 07 22:25:34 <badcloud> how do I find out whats accessing the device?
May 07 22:25:47 <khiraly1> badcloud: fuser -v
May 07 22:26:07 <khiraly1> mirko-paroli: Im rebooting
May 07 22:26:13 <badcloud> thanks
May 07 22:26:19 <mirko-paroli> k
May 07 22:26:36 <khiraly1> this suspend problem (when connected on usb), do you have it?
May 07 22:26:39 <badcloud> -v invalid option
May 07 22:26:42 <mirko-paroli> nope
May 07 22:26:51 <mirko-paroli> but I rebooted several times
May 07 22:26:51 <badcloud> plain ol' fuser doesn't print anything
May 07 22:26:53 <khiraly1> badcloud: a sec
May 07 22:26:58 <badcloud> k
May 07 22:27:53 <khiraly1> fuser -m
May 07 22:27:59 <khiraly1> fuser -m /mnt/dat
May 07 22:28:06 <khiraly1> and should print out the process' pid
May 07 22:28:39 <badcloud> could you repeat your previous sentence? I accidentally cleared the screen
May 07 22:28:52 <khiraly1> (00.27.58) khiraly1: fuser -m /mnt/dat
May 07 22:29:02 <khiraly1> (00.28.06) khiraly1: and should print out the process' pid
May 07 22:29:40 <badcloud> thanks
May 07 22:30:26 <badcloud> '/usr/sbin/nodm?
May 07 22:30:47 <khiraly1> mirko-paroli: now, it is working
May 07 22:30:54 <khiraly1> i could change paroli->illume
May 07 22:31:16 <khiraly1> nice. We have only paroli and a terminal
May 07 22:31:28 <khiraly1> no htop or elementary demonstration
May 07 22:31:29 <badcloud> don't want to kill it before I know what it's doing
May 07 22:32:00 <BillK> Can someone suggest a countdown timer for shr? (i.e., an egg timer - its breakfast time :)
May 07 22:34:01 <badcloud> the pid points to /usr/sbin/nodm
May 07 22:34:08 <badcloud> and I can't even find such a file
May 07 22:36:01 <khiraly1> mirko||food-hunt: we have a mute button right next to the End call button?
May 07 22:36:03 <khiraly1> awesome
May 07 22:36:24 <khiraly1> badcloud: kill it and see what happens;)
May 07 22:36:57 <badcloud> it won't be killed
May 07 22:37:00 <badcloud> rebooted
May 07 22:37:07 <badcloud> getting kernel panic
May 07 22:37:28 <badcloud> something in the debian install apparently isn't entirely kosher
May 07 22:38:03 <lindi-> badcloud: what's the panic message?
May 07 22:38:18 <badcloud> hmmm
May 07 22:38:31 <badcloud> kinda extensive
May 07 22:38:39 <badcloud> what part should I specify?
May 07 22:38:55 <khiraly1> mirko||food-hunt: it is kinda strange
May 07 22:39:00 <badcloud> well, I should start by saying that the aux is going haywire
May 07 22:39:16 <lindi-> badcloud: it always does in panic
May 07 22:39:17 <khiraly1> When I call the phone, I have 3-4 sec ringing before the actual talking
May 07 22:39:21 <khiraly1> it was the same in the past
May 07 22:39:29 <lindi-> badcloud: if you have a digital camera can you just take a photo?
May 07 22:39:33 <badcloud> yeah
May 07 22:39:35 <badcloud> one sec
May 07 22:39:36 <khiraly1> but now, I have 2-3 sec vibration too!
May 07 22:40:19 <khiraly1> (before I the vibration have immediatly gone off when I accepted the call)
May 07 22:40:35 <khiraly1> before that
May 07 22:40:38 <khiraly1> the old release
May 07 22:42:01 <badcloud> man, this is tricky
May 07 22:42:07 <badcloud> getting a focused enough shot
May 07 22:42:49 <badcloud> better off just typing some of it
May 07 22:43:12 <badcloud> 45:f4000000 r4:fffffff
May 07 22:43:34 <lindi-> badcloud: hmm, that sounds like a register dump
May 07 22:43:41 <lindi-> badcloud: can you just pick the english words?
May 07 22:43:41 <badcloud> [<c02c7d90>]
May 07 22:43:44 <badcloud> sure
May 07 22:44:00 <badcloud> panice+...
May 07 22:44:05 <badcloud> *panic+...
May 07 22:44:15 <badcloud> mount_block_root+...
May 07 22:44:37 <badcloud> mount_root+...
May 07 22:44:48 <lindi-> badcloud: ok, you have misconfigured bootloader probably
May 07 22:44:49 <badcloud> prepare_namespace...
May 07 22:44:55 <badcloud> gotcha
May 07 22:45:03 <badcloud> that was mostly the bottom part of the screen
May 07 22:45:21 <badcloud> I could try nor
May 07 22:45:37 <lindi-> badcloud: the real error message probably scrolled of the screen unless it has "unknown block" somewhere there?
May 07 22:45:44 <lindi->  s/of/off/
May 07 22:45:50 <badcloud> I think
May 07 22:45:53 <khiraly1> mirko||food-hunt: oops. I cant call the phone anymore. the other mobile phone show on the screen: No success
May 07 22:45:54 <badcloud> I'll see again
May 07 22:46:20 <badcloud> nor didn't work either
May 07 22:46:33 <khiraly1> and If I want to call a number from this phone (openmoko) it calls, the Call button change to End call, but after 3-5 sec it just erase the number, and dont happen anything
May 07 22:46:38 <badcloud> the (sd option)
May 07 22:47:05 <badcloud> it's an unknown block thing
May 07 22:47:24 <badcloud> 'not synching'
May 07 22:47:28 <badcloud> *syncing
May 07 22:48:17 <khiraly1> hmm, this one pixel wide e system menu didnt get fixed
May 07 22:48:43 <badcloud> I think I got it, lindi-
May 07 22:48:57 <badcloud> the second partition contains the fs
May 07 22:49:04 <khiraly1> Ok. I restart it
May 07 22:49:05 <badcloud> I deleted the first partition
May 07 22:49:37 <badcloud> why does it look for a partition at the beginning of the card?
May 07 22:50:35 <lindi-> badcloud: since you configured it like that?
May 07 22:50:52 <lindi-> badcloud: use 'sudo fw_printenv' to see uboot configuration
May 07 22:51:00 <badcloud> I'm using qi
May 07 22:51:15 <lindi-> badcloud: what parameters did you pass to kernel with that then?
May 07 22:51:43 <badcloud> hmmm, I don't know what you mean
May 07 22:52:06 <badcloud> I used the install script using the switches QI=true and QI_VERBOSE_BOOT=truee
May 07 22:52:20 <badcloud> as far as I know, I didn't touch the kernel or the bootloader
May 07 22:53:05 <badcloud> I started off with two partitions, one vfat of a somewhat insignificant size (beginning of card), and a ~15gb ext2 part
May 07 22:53:08 <badcloud> at the end of the card
May 07 22:53:19 <badcloud> from what I understood from the 'manual debian install'
May 07 22:53:26 <badcloud> the kernel could reside on the vfat
May 07 22:53:31 <badcloud> but that didn't work
May 07 22:53:41 <badcloud> so I deleted the first (vfat) part
May 07 22:53:54 <badcloud> and used the script to install debian on the second
May 07 22:54:33 <badcloud> does qi require the /boot to be on the first block of the card?
May 07 22:55:38 <lindi-> badcloud: does Qi understand vfat?
May 07 22:55:49 <badcloud> nt sure
May 07 22:55:51 <badcloud> *not
May 07 22:56:04 <lindi-> I somehow doubt that
May 07 22:56:11 <badcloud> but that's irrelevant now, since that partition doesn't exist now
May 07 22:56:12 <lindi-> badcloud: however, it was able to read your kernel
May 07 22:56:28 <badcloud> I don't think it did
May 07 22:56:36 <lindi-> badcloud: how did it boot your kernel then? ;)
May 07 22:56:45 <badcloud> nor
May 07 22:56:53 <lindi-> badcloud: ?
May 07 22:56:54 <badcloud> nand from nor, rahter
May 07 22:56:57 <badcloud> *rather
May 07 22:57:06 <badcloud> I have a kernel on nand
May 07 22:57:10 <badcloud> and one on the sd
May 07 22:57:16 <badcloud> the kernel on nand
May 07 22:57:19 <lindi-> badcloud: ok, and it booted the wrong one?
May 07 22:57:19 <badcloud> boots to shr
May 07 22:57:30 <badcloud> naw, the nand one boots fine
May 07 22:57:39 <badcloud> but I can't boot the kernel off of the usd
May 07 22:57:42 <badcloud> via nor
May 07 22:57:55 <badcloud> or when I power the device normally, for that matter
May 07 22:58:09 <lindi-> badcloud: nor u-boot does not understand ext2 probably?
May 07 22:58:17 <khiraly1> mirko-paroli: I couldnt reproduce this call failing (when the other phone *display* no success text)
May 07 22:58:22 <badcloud> maybe
May 07 22:58:27 <khiraly1> After I restarted the phone it seems stable
May 07 22:58:33 <khiraly1> I called several times
May 07 22:58:39 <lindi-> badcloud: debian docs say you need newer u-boot
May 07 22:58:43 <badcloud> really?
May 07 22:58:46 <mirko-paroli> khiraly1: that probably meant that the phone was not properly registeres
May 07 22:58:49 <mirko-paroli> registered
May 07 22:58:52 <badcloud> qi doesn't work well then?
May 07 22:58:58 <badcloud> I could always try
May 07 22:59:08 <badcloud> where's the newest uboot?
May 07 22:59:09 <khiraly1> But the vibration problem is still there. When I accept the call it vibrates 2 more times. Its about 3 sec. And one sec after the ringtone goes off too
May 07 22:59:25 <mirko-paroli> khiraly1: that is a framework issue
May 07 22:59:37 <khiraly1> yepp, but before the vibration stopped immediatly
May 07 22:59:42 <khiraly1> just the ringtone had problem
May 07 22:59:54 <mirko-paroli> angus bumped the framework revision
May 07 23:01:36 <mirko-paroli> khiraly1: flashing to latest unstable
May 07 23:02:56 <badcloud> lindi, looks like u-boot hung on me
May 07 23:03:14 <badcloud> all I see is a remnant of nor
May 07 23:03:18 <badcloud> 'poweroff'
May 07 23:03:31 <khiraly1> lindi-: so how to use this rsync?;)
May 07 23:03:34 <khiraly1> time to google
May 07 23:04:27 <lindi-> khiraly1: you only need -a and --delete flags. --dry-run and -v to verify what it is going to do
May 07 23:04:47 <lindi-> khiraly1: -x might be useful sometimes too, depending on your situation
May 07 23:04:54 <badcloud> any ideas, lindi-?
May 07 23:05:01 <badcloud> how do I recover u-boot?
May 07 23:06:13 <khiraly1> lindi-: I should specify somewhere the ip address of remote host no?
May 07 23:06:23 <Blu3> thank you for your help earlier dos1
May 07 23:06:53 <lindi-> badcloud: why did you install Qi in the first place?
May 07 23:06:59 <lindi-> khiraly1: yep
May 07 23:07:05 <badcloud> faster resume
May 07 23:07:20 <lindi-> badcloud: ah, did it help?
May 07 23:07:26 <badcloud> yep
May 07 23:07:43 <lindi-> maybe I should try that too if I can figure out how to compile Q
May 07 23:07:45 <badcloud> only at the expense that I can't use u-boot anymore for some reason
May 07 23:07:54 <badcloud> why compile?
May 07 23:08:01 <badcloud> I just downloaded and flashed
May 07 23:08:07 <khiraly1> badcloud: you always have uboot in nor
May 07 23:08:11 <lindi-> badcloud: to make sure I can modify it if I need to
May 07 23:08:11 <khiraly1> so where is the problem
May 07 23:08:14 <khiraly1> ?
May 07 23:08:21 <lindi-> khiraly1: but it is old u-boot
May 07 23:08:33 <khiraly1> lindi-: it can be updated, no?
May 07 23:08:45 <khiraly1> wiki says so
May 07 23:08:51 <lindi-> khiraly1: not without debug board
May 07 23:08:56 <khiraly1> oh
May 07 23:09:13 <khiraly1> time to u-boot party then;)
May 07 23:09:31 <badcloud> found a bit of info in the qi portion of the wiki
May 07 23:15:38 <khiraly1> hmm
May 07 23:16:01 <khiraly1> how can I untar the fso-paroli-image.tar.gz on local dir?
May 07 23:16:12 <khiraly1> It fails to create some dev device (using mknod)
May 07 23:16:26 <khiraly1> what is the safest mode to unpack the .tar.gz package?
May 07 23:17:56 <khiraly1> ok Im going back to the mkfs.ext2 method
May 07 23:20:16 <badcloud> got it!
May 07 23:20:20 <badcloud> root=/dev/mmcblk0p2
May 07 23:20:45 <badcloud> /mnt/debian/boot/append-GTA02
May 07 23:22:30 <khiraly1> how slow to copy over freerunner
May 07 23:22:36 <khiraly1> 180-200 kB/s
May 07 23:22:50 <khiraly1> comparable with my net
May 07 23:24:00 <badcloud> man, I love how things are so straight forward sometimes
May 07 23:31:00 <khiraly1> ok. Im restarting my phone to the newest version
May 07 23:31:13 <mirko-paroli> good luck :)
May 07 23:31:56 <khiraly1> I hope the E's system menu is fixed;)
May 07 23:35:45 <mirko-paroli> khiraly1: LOL
May 07 23:35:51 <mirko-paroli> that one needs to be fixed upstream
May 07 23:35:57 <mirko-paroli> has nothing to do with om2009
May 07 23:41:15 <khiraly1> and it didnt fixed yet?
May 07 23:41:22 <khiraly1> on week old bug
May 07 23:41:24 <khiraly1> at least
May 07 23:41:59 <khiraly1> one week
May 07 23:42:20 <khiraly1> it takes age to boot this phone
May 07 23:42:22 <mirko-paroli> khiraly1: btw there is a suspend setting
May 07 23:42:27 <mirko-paroli> unde rphone
May 07 23:42:45 <mirko-paroli> if you put it on -1 it *should* not go into suspend anymore
May 07 23:42:58 <khiraly1> I want suspend
May 07 23:43:03 <khiraly1> just not when usb connected
May 07 23:43:18 <khiraly1> btw, I hope I can test this image for the whole weekend;)
May 07 23:43:28 <khiraly1> I want phone functionality for the weeken
May 07 23:43:36 <mirko-paroli> hehe
May 07 23:43:57 <mirko-paroli> we are planning a new testing for tomorrow or today, depending on where in the world you are
May 07 23:44:49 <khiraly1> heh
May 07 23:44:57 <khiraly1> cant fint this illume profile thing
May 07 23:45:07 <khiraly1> should be under settings->phone
May 07 23:45:17 <mirko-paroli> illume profile?
May 07 23:45:19 <mirko-paroli> Displa
May 07 23:45:21 <mirko-paroli> y
May 07 23:45:43 <khiraly1> I dont have display option either (under settings)
May 07 23:45:57 <mirko-paroli> that's not too nice
May 07 23:45:58 <khiraly1> wifi, phone, gprs, Time, SIM, Network, Messages, Call Forwarding
May 07 23:46:02 <mirko-paroli> hmm
May 07 23:46:25 <khiraly1> I enabled illume profile, relaunched the phone (because it didnt show up)
May 07 23:46:35 <khiraly1> but it does not show up right now either
May 07 23:46:49 <mirko-paroli> that ain't good
May 07 23:47:02 <mirko-paroli> can you check the log for error
May 07 23:47:09 <mirko-paroli> and display.py
May 07 23:47:54 <mirko-paroli> i need to catch 2hrs of sleep after this
May 07 23:48:03 <khiraly1> me too
May 07 23:48:11 <mirko-paroli> hehe
May 07 23:48:11 <khiraly1> I need to wake up in 3 hours
May 07 23:48:17 <khiraly1> http://pastebin.com/d762ad71
May 07 23:48:17 <mirko-paroli> outsch
May 07 23:48:51 <khiraly1> 2009-06-08 01:41:02,928 power    INFO     display service init 2009-06-08 01:41:02,948 power    INFO     connecting to e dbus iface 2009-06-08 01:41:03,352 power    WARNING  can't use e dbus interface service : org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.odeviced was not provided by any .service files
May 07 23:48:54 <khiraly1> doh
May 07 23:49:04 <khiraly1> line 127-129
May 07 23:49:08 <mirko-paroli> shite
May 07 23:50:12 <mirko-paroli> testing
May 07 23:50:17 <mirko-paroli> will be uploaded in 4
May 07 23:50:18 <mirko-paroli> ;)
May 07 23:50:31 <mirko-paroli> add yield WaitDBusName('org.freesmartphone.odeviced', time_out=120, session=False)
May 07 23:50:35 <khiraly1> there are some .service file missing. It is the same problem as the suspend issue when pluged the usb?
May 07 23:50:51 <mirko-paroli> in display.py in /usr/share/paroli/services/display.py l 59
May 07 23:50:57 <khiraly1> (01.50.17) mirko-paroli: will be uploaded in 4 <--? dont understand
May 07 23:51:03 <mirko-paroli> the fix
May 07 23:51:05 <mirko-paroli> :)
May 07 23:51:31 <khiraly1> in 4?
May 07 23:51:38 <mirko-paroli> minutes
May 07 23:51:48 <khiraly1> like in 4 hours?
May 07 23:53:12 <khiraly1> I do not have usr/share/paroli/services/display.py
May 07 23:53:19 <mirko-paroli> ?
May 07 23:53:42 <khiraly1> dialog, gprs, hardware, phone, prefs, system, wifi
May 07 23:53:53 <mirko-paroli> sry forgot the folder
May 07 23:53:55 <mirko-paroli> system
May 07 23:54:08 <mirko-paroli> add the line before
May 07 23:54:18 <mirko-paroli> bus2 = dbus.SystemBus(mainloop=tichy.mainloop.dbus_loop)
May 07 23:54:25 <mirko-paroli> so as your new line 58
May 07 23:54:44 <khiraly1> doh. My phone just suspended again
May 07 23:54:47 <khiraly1> lost my connection
May 07 23:54:53 <mirko-paroli> just wake it up
May 07 23:54:55 <mirko-paroli> ssh will resume
May 07 23:56:41 <khiraly1> how to relaunch paroli without illume?
May 07 23:56:44 <khiraly1> just kill it?
May 07 23:57:05 <mirko-paroli> yeah
May 07 23:57:20 <mirko-paroli> does the FR come with screen?
May 07 23:57:26 <mirko-paroli> you could launch it in a screen session
May 07 23:57:30 <mirko-paroli> and then disconnect
May 07 23:57:31 <mirko-paroli> anyhow
May 07 23:57:35 <mirko-paroli> I need some sleep
May 07 23:57:39 <mirko-paroli> already 8am here
May 07 23:57:46 <mirko-paroli> need to be in the office at 10.30
May 07 23:57:51 <khiraly1> where are you?
May 07 23:57:56 <mirko-paroli> Taiwan
May 07 23:58:31 <mirko-paroli> k, ttyl today :)
May 07 23:58:38 <khiraly1> thanks. This yield line did the trick
May 07 23:58:51 <mirko-paroli> nice
May 07 23:58:55 <mirko-paroli> bye
May 07 23:58:56 <khiraly1> thank you for your help
May 07 23:59:14 <mirko-paroli> no prob
May 07 23:59:19 <mirko-paroli> thx for chosing paroli ;)
May 07 23:59:32 <mirko-paroli> (in reference to the airline saying)
May 07 23:59:43 <khiraly1> :)
May 07 23:59:53 <khiraly1> really nice app by the way
May 07 23:59:53 <mirko-paroli> cya
May 08 00:00:21 <khiraly1> bye. 
May 08 00:15:53 <ndnihil> I can't believe that nobody has packaged perl+gtk or perl+elementary modules, what do you freaks see in python?
May 08 01:01:50 <mwester> ndnihil:  if you can figure out how to write a bb recipe to build and package the e or gtk perl modules, I will commit them to the OE git repo (and they'll automagically show up in all the distro feeds with all the other Perl modules).  
May 08 01:22:23 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rfcce70a677e8 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel26_leds: derive mode from cleaned mode
May 08 01:22:24 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0f64755c6fc4 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: interfaces: add org.freesmartphone.Device.RTC
May 08 01:22:25 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r61a3438845f3 10/libfsoframework/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: linux26.vapi: add bindings for linux-specifics
May 08 01:22:26 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r20ca0b1ba9ea 10/libfsoframework/ (fsoframework/interfaces.vala vapi/linux26.vapi): fsoframework: tweak bindings and add SystemError to interfaces
May 08 01:22:28 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8b409ee84950 10/libfsoframework/ (fsoframework/fsoframework-2.0.vapi vapi/linux26.vapi): fsoframework: simplify linux26.vapi, vala's posix.vapi is buggy :)
May 08 01:22:31 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r39aa59d2667a 10/fsodeviced/ (5 files in 4 dirs): fsodevice: rtc plugin works
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