**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 09 02:59:57 2009 May 09 03:01:02 hello all! Any idea why opkg install zenity would return a " * Package zenity md5sum mismatch." ? How can I fix that? May 09 03:03:23 opkg update maybe May 09 03:04:06 moin May 09 03:06:03 mokoer: for most of the package managers there's a --force option May 09 03:06:06 ndnihil: oh I am sorry, that error arises when trying to install the package downloading it from http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk May 09 03:06:22 DocScrutinizer: I couldn't find one --force in opkg... :( May 09 03:07:23 DocScrutinizer: I suppose the MD5 information in embedded in the package? Or maybe it is trying to compare with some MD5 from some repository, given a package with the same names exists in my repos. May 09 03:07:40 sorry, no idea then. never put opkg on the vivisection bench ;-) May 09 03:08:03 DocScrutinizer: Thanks, lets see if someone gets that ;) May 09 03:08:07 the later I suppose May 09 03:08:46 When I try to install a package I manually downloaded, but exists with the same name in one of my configured repos, and both files are different, will opkg try to compare it with the repo MD5 value? May 09 03:08:51 maybe try to dl file, then install locally May 09 03:08:56 mokoer: yes. May 09 03:09:05 opkg install libgnomecanvas-2-0 http://www.opkg.org/packages/0_zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk May 09 03:09:11 ^works May 09 03:09:12 mwester: any way to avoid that? May 09 03:09:26 I installed that the other night, and have a group of launchers using it May 09 03:09:29 check the available options, one of the force options may do it. May 09 03:09:40 otherwise just rename the feeds dir in /var. May 09 03:09:43 ndnihil: I don't have the right libs... For some reason I don't fully undertand. I just did a kustomizer in it. May 09 03:09:46 and rename it back when you're done. May 09 03:10:06 mwester: try http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash !! ;-D May 09 03:10:07 mwester: I couldn't find any --force that overrides that, unfortunatly. :( May 09 03:10:18 mokoer: libs? I thought you had an md5 error? May 09 03:10:36 I installed that very package on an old shr-testing just two nights ago May 09 03:10:38 ndnihil: libs? May 09 03:10:48 22:09 < mokoer> ndnihil: I don't have the right libs... May 09 03:11:17 ndnihil: oh yes, my lib versions aren't compatible with the package from the opkg.org repo. May 09 03:11:22 oh May 09 03:11:32 what dist are you running? May 09 03:12:24 ndnihil: Just installed Om2008.12 and ran a kustomizer over it. I am trying to find out which one fits my needs best, and so far seems to be the kustomizer. May 09 03:12:34 ndnihil: would you have any comments ont hat? May 09 03:12:43 I would in fact May 09 03:12:56 and it would be "try a different dist" May 09 03:12:57 :) May 09 03:13:22 I keep going back to an older version of shr-testing May 09 03:13:59 SHR! May 09 03:14:18 and "DON'T PANIC" ;-> May 09 03:14:25 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash May 09 03:14:40 honestly, SHR rocks May 09 03:15:02 hmm didn't try SHR yet May 09 03:15:20 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr May 09 03:15:36 gives you ansemi-stable snapshot May 09 03:15:55 be warned though, the latest ones have been kinda iffy May 09 03:16:01 power button didnt work May 09 03:16:07 and a couple other quirks May 09 03:16:12 404 May 09 03:16:15 ooops, http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-testing/ May 09 03:16:57 don't know my own folders :-) May 09 03:17:17 hm so should I choose some later snapshot? May 09 03:17:30 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/ May 09 03:17:42 try 2009-04-16 first May 09 03:17:45 but you might want to try that joerg version May 09 03:18:19 great May 09 03:19:45 are there any known quirks in SHR? like the echo, or no gprs or something alike? May 09 03:19:50 * DocScrutinizer HOPES Ainulindale will PUBLISH STABLE SNAPSHOT eventually again May 09 03:21:29 SHR suffers from an expectations problem. May 09 03:21:36 mokoer: echo is fixed in SHR&FSO /SHR based on FSO middleware). GPRS works great for me with the 04-16 mentioned above May 09 03:21:51 Even the "unstable" versions used to work so well, that now people complain when it truely is *unstable*. May 09 03:22:19 mwester: I'm talking about TESTING May 09 03:22:31 testing got screwed. May 09 03:22:49 never dare to run unstable on my daily phone May 09 03:23:05 that's what I say May 09 03:23:14 unscrew testing May 09 03:23:39 The problem is that the package renaming left testing back on the old names, with some brokenness --- unstable is on the new e lib names, courtesy raster, and is incompatible with testing packages. May 09 03:23:45 there's been times there was no kernel at all in testing May 09 03:24:03 that's when I came up with http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-testing/ May 09 03:24:28 So it's not easy to unscrew testing without pulling the package changes in, and as soon as the package rename changes come in then testing is pretty much at unstable, with the same problems (like the broken suspend/power menu). May 09 03:24:35 FSCK :-/ May 09 03:24:38 And raster is gone, so there's nobody to fix thiem. May 09 03:24:48 well I got pretty happy with kustomizer, I had been trying to find a way to use the phone as a primary (not only dev) phone for about 2 weeks before finding that script. May 09 03:24:51 raster left? May 09 03:24:58 left OM or left the community? May 09 03:25:00 Ainulindale has a Real Life(tm) it seems... so we just diddle about. May 09 03:25:13 raster went on some trip for two weeks. May 09 03:25:20 ah May 09 03:25:52 raster left OM 6months ago May 09 03:26:12 Basically, the focus seems to be on making unstable reasonably "stable", and then create a new testing snapshot. May 09 03:26:14 yeah I knew he left OM May 09 03:26:29 just didn't know if he had given up on the community yet May 09 03:26:44 No he didn't give up; he just had business elsewhere. May 09 03:26:49 gotcha May 09 03:26:50 mwester: hope they get a catch on that May 09 03:27:07 Unfortunate that the timing left us with a nasty e bug... May 09 03:27:39 grrrrrrRRRRRRrrrrrrrRRrrrrrrrrrrrrr May 09 03:27:56 DocScrutinizer: IMO, the biggest thing preventing a true release candidate is still the kernel -- we need that WSoD regression fixed. May 09 03:28:06 anyway fso bugs are much more nasty May 09 03:28:18 There are no fso bugs. :p May 09 03:28:36 WSOD is a bootloader regression - quite obviously May 09 03:28:38 Python is a bug itself, but other than that, the framework is perfect. :D May 09 03:28:52 < mwester> Python is a bug itself May 09 03:28:55 ^QFT May 09 03:29:01 Requiring all users to switch to Qi (or is uboot) is not reasonable, IMO. May 09 03:29:04 * ndnihil can't stand python May 09 03:29:47 pfff "no suspend" wasn't a fso bug??? May 09 03:30:04 I'd love python, except I cannot understand for anything what braindamage someone had to re-introduce column-sensitivity into a language; I thought that died with FORTRAN IV (and I burned my punched card deck when it died). May 09 03:30:11 DocScrutinizer: er.. May 09 03:30:15 No that was a feature. May 09 03:30:21 aaaah May 09 03:30:38 :D We just aren't permitted to know what the feature was, precisely. That's all. May 09 03:31:10 anyway, me going to sleep away the additional year I'm sufering from May 09 03:31:15 bye May 09 03:31:39 DocScrutinizer: thanks, good night! May 09 03:31:42 DocScrutinizer: did you see the email re the GTA02 experiement? May 09 03:31:50 welcome, mokoer May 09 03:32:00 nope May 09 03:32:29 re bug 1024 -- I cc'd your om email addr. May 09 03:32:42 pot GTA02 in a 9' gun and see what happens? May 09 03:33:12 that's old, isnt it? May 09 03:33:13 No. More evil. Equip mwester with a soldering iron and a C and let him attack the gta02. May 09 03:33:26 that's old, isnt it? May 09 03:33:34 The 9" gun? May 09 03:33:39 >20h May 09 03:33:48 Oh the email -yes. May 09 03:33:54 night May 09 03:34:05 just wanted to make sure you knew -- good night! May 09 03:34:10 (as dawn arrives in de) May 09 03:34:22 sure it does May 09 03:35:01 hope noone is going to call me for any crazy party or sth May 09 03:35:56 at least not befor this shitty day has reached noon May 09 03:37:21 * DocScrutinizer will buy a magnum bottle champagne and see how long it takes to empty this alone n a nice forrest. not before sun's going down again tho May 09 04:22:37 moo May 09 04:42:28 Blu3: where's the oops output? Which kernel rev is that? Have you tried the latest kernel? May 09 04:43:46 i have yesterday's shr/unstable kernel, no output, phone does the blinky red on the led, can't get anything out of it and i'm never at home where i have the debug board when it happens May 09 04:44:14 yay! blinky red! May 09 04:45:39 indeed May 09 04:47:57 Blu3: ramconsole? May 09 04:48:08 rampants May 09 04:48:14 wut? May 09 04:49:14 Blu3: patch from this ticket http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2135 along with proper watchdog configuration will provide you with a way to sanely report kernel bugs. May 09 04:49:19 reading on it May 09 05:19:00 In SHR, how do I get the phone to a state that it will turn off the LCD but tell me when a call rings? Suspend? May 09 05:20:16 suspend, or just turn off lcd... May 09 05:20:51 power->suspend or wait some time May 09 05:21:13 waiting some time gets the system into a suspend? May 09 05:21:51 yes, at least it should May 09 05:22:39 SHR seems really nice so far :) May 09 05:22:46 shrpants May 09 05:23:35 hm I do think tangoGPS was installed, at least I told it to add it to the desktop in the beginning... But I don't seem to find it. May 09 05:24:15 is there a sub-menu or something alike that should contain the GPS applications? May 09 05:24:35 may be some problems with icons May 09 05:24:48 it should be on main screen May 09 05:25:03 if dont start it manually May 09 05:25:10 how? May 09 05:25:32 from terminal) May 09 05:26:09 ;yes it is there ;) May 09 05:26:16 CLI inerface, Linux..you know..) May 09 05:26:33 I do, yes. :) May 09 05:31:12 how long does the battery last when I leave GPRS connected? May 09 05:48:39 gprs non issue May 09 05:49:11 gsm , wifi lcd -biggest power killer May 09 05:51:04 with gprs problem is suspend, I think upto 12h **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 09 06:23:54 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 09 06:24:15 2009 May 09 06:27:27 does anyone have a correct bluetooth headset howto? May 09 06:27:56 something that matches current fso/dbus/tools ? May 09 06:32:39 Blu3: there's a howto. May 09 06:32:52 Blu3: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner May 09 06:33:47 yeah, i was looking for a howto that worked.. May 09 06:34:06 Blu3: bluetooth headset support reviewed that text and said it's ok. May 09 06:34:20 s/support/support author/ May 09 06:34:21 PaulFertser meant: Blu3: bluetooth headset support author reviewed that text and said it's ok. May 09 06:34:57 Blu3: so, this howto is quite near to be a working one. And it needs feedback. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 09 06:35:11 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 09 06:35:40 2009 May 09 06:35:59 one of the biggest drawbacks to this sort of project are the plethura of howtos that are outdated, broken, slightly off, heading in a different direction, etc May 09 06:36:13 which makes everyone say "nay, it's not working" and give up May 09 06:36:54 Blu3: no, that's not the problem. It's python source after all! Source is the best documentation. May 09 06:36:55 there's 50 different ways to do everything, most of them hand tailored and tweaked and don't work on most everyone else's fone May 09 06:37:01 *cough* May 09 06:37:25 It's not hard to understand frameworkd code even for a person that never studied Python. May 09 06:38:16 hardly any of the sms code is documented when it comes to binary messages, or why the openmoko-messages is incapable of extracting the date, or the phonebook name :> May 09 06:39:24 Blu3: SMS PDU format is documented in GSM standards. And in many other documents across the net. May 09 06:39:33 like, this simple-agent script on the howto you gave me, blows up :) May 09 06:40:13 Blu3: this simple-agent script is from bluez4 sources, from examples directory. Not everybody runs bluez4 from sources, that's why many people lack it. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 09 06:40:32 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 09 06:41:03 2009 May 09 06:41:33 Blu3: have you forgotten to power on bluetooth? May 09 06:41:33 ahh, just run it again once or twice May 09 06:41:38 nope May 09 06:42:29 now that it's paired, i need to figure out how to make the audio and button commands work May 09 06:42:30 Blu3: are you using SHR Settings to activate BT? May 09 06:42:37 it worked the 3rd time May 09 06:43:53 Blu3: i used simple-agent many times and it always worked... Provided that bluetoothd was started and BT chip powered. May 09 06:44:13 if the howto says we need a fixed statefile, shouldn't the default statefile that gets installed .. get fixed? :) May 09 06:44:14 Blu3: button commands don't work yet. May 09 06:44:31 heheh, well, i wasn't holding much hope for that honestly :> May 09 06:45:08 Blu3: BT support needs some user feedback. I'm not sure about the statefile, probably the correct file is already there on your system. Do a diff and tell the results ;) May 09 06:45:27 i find it curiously odd that the gtaX has been out for so long and so much gadgetry has had little attention paid to it May 09 06:45:38 yeah, i will in a moment May 09 06:47:00 what the -official- wiki needs, is a front page section that has all the little places that things go, like "if you need to change your default audio settings, check these state files. X controls headset vol. Y controls the mic, ..." May 09 06:47:02 I don't understand it too. Those who can do things don't need it or have enough time. Those who have enough time and need things mostly complain instead of doing. May 09 06:47:26 if i had the time (and i have much much more of it now), i do things May 09 06:47:52 specifically the SMS - i want and need fully functional sms and mms May 09 06:47:55 That's great. Probably you're the one who will make BT headsets support more user-friendly ;) May 09 06:48:15 i'm not interested in video, just rich markup May 09 06:48:16 MMS? I thought that's it's utter crap, both in conception and implementation. May 09 06:48:58 Almost no markup here on IRC, why anybody wants it for SMS's? May 09 06:49:00 it's hard to sell things conceptually when they look like crap. i.e. plain ascii May 09 06:49:41 additionally, there's very limited content length with plain sms May 09 06:49:43 Plain ascii looks like terminal-friendly, automated-processing-friendly, easy-to-write-easy-to-understand-easy-to-debug stuff. May 09 06:49:52 plain ascii is for vi users May 09 06:49:58 not for the rest of the world May 09 06:50:28 MMS is no different afaik, it just has a link to some wap site with actual message. Isn't it better to user real e-mail instead? May 09 06:50:51 that sort of mentality keeps something with a big potential locked under moldy seed bags in an old barn May 09 06:51:05 freerunner doesn't have real email either May 09 06:51:20 claws mail is the only working mail program and it's interface is terribly cluttered May 09 06:51:30 Just install any MTA there and you'll be free to easily send e-mails from any scripts/programs. May 09 06:51:45 Haha, you know that obviously. May 09 06:51:50 Sendmail ftw May 09 06:52:02 sorry. i use ssl for both imap and smtp. claws mail is the only mUa (not mta) that works May 09 06:52:04 As for the reading... Well, doesn't mutt work? May 09 06:52:13 i use sendmail May 09 06:52:15 nope May 09 06:52:44 Any recent MTA supports starttls smtp cyrus sasl whatever... And mutt supportst imap over ssl as well. May 09 06:52:52 and it wasn't until the most recent release of CM that it worked either May 09 06:53:18 MUA is for reading mail - ie. mutt, MTA is for sending mail - ie. sendmail May 09 06:53:43 I can't believe there're considerable difficulties in IMAP over SSL, it has even a dedicated ssl-only port... May 09 06:53:53 It worked in mutt for years. May 09 06:54:27 the wiki can be updated, the onboard gsmbluetooth.state matches that on the wiki May 09 06:54:32 And yes, sendmail and other MTAs support modern SMTP-related technologies for quite some time too. I see no real problems with e-mail on FR. May 09 06:54:52 Blu3: cool, thanks for reporting. I'll update it. Are you using SHR Unstable? May 09 06:55:18 it's not that mutt itself doesn't work w/ imaps, or other muas. it's that the muas in shr don't work for anything other than plain imap or smtp May 09 06:55:21 yes May 09 06:55:38 No MUA should work with smtp afaik. May 09 06:55:58 It's just not necessary, as you have local MTA installed anyway. May 09 06:56:10 So, simple SMTP is enough. May 09 06:57:31 ssmtp which is commonly installed by default in a lot of distributions these days, lacked the means to do user authentication inside starttls May 09 06:57:44 it finally got that feature May 09 06:58:05 sendmail on the flip side, arrogantly refuses to support certs with pass phrases May 09 06:59:34 the rules.yaml block can be removed for shr/unstable as well May 09 06:59:43 the onboard rules.yaml appears to match the wiki May 09 06:59:46 But it's not FR-specific problems... You know how responsive SHR devs are, just a report of good MTA/MUA combination with configuration options (provided dependencies can be easily obtained in OE) would be enough to get it in the feeds. May 09 07:00:18 like opimd? ;-) May 09 07:03:21 well, the pairing didn't hold. the phone thinks it's bonded, but the earpiece said ciao! May 09 07:03:25 just put dovecot & postfix on there as MTA May 09 07:03:44 i use dovecot and sendmail on my server May 09 07:04:03 it isn't possible to cc my mail store on my phone May 09 07:04:18 postfix is a less arrogant version of sendmail ... May 09 07:04:20 i get far too much email May 09 07:04:36 postfix has it's own set of issues as well May 09 07:07:37 Blu3: probably earpiece just went to power-saving mode? May 09 07:08:18 'tis possible, but now there's a desynchronization. the phone thinks it's attached, the earpiece doesn't May 09 07:08:36 i have to forcibly un-pair it then re-pair it May 09 07:08:51 Luckily simple-agent script has support for that. May 09 07:09:27 BTW, it's a good idea, simple-agent should be added to SHR. May 09 07:10:55 yes, but that sort of defeats the purpose of a BT earpiece -- digging out your phone, launching a terminal, and pairing your earpiece. by that time your fone call probably went to voicemail :> May 09 07:12:13 There's nothing special about pairing BT headset with FR... You can try to do the same with your laptop if you feel more comfortable with it. May 09 07:12:20 i know May 09 07:12:32 but there be something fishy between these two May 09 07:13:05 Who knows... How do you say if headset thinks it's powered or not? May 09 07:14:25 it's powered, led indicators. they say it's going back into pairing mode May 09 07:17:22 Well, after i used simple-agent, my headset beeped once and left pairing mode... May 09 07:20:47 ugg, now it's fighting with me, dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.bluez.Error.DoesNotExist: Device does not exist May 09 07:21:02 however, hciconfig shows it there, and hcitool scan shows the earpiece May 09 07:22:12 Have you tried to remove bonding first? May 09 07:22:18 you know. maybe it's going back to pairing mode because the fone insists on shutting off visibility May 09 07:22:29 that's what i was attempting to do May 09 07:23:03 toggling it off/on in settings made it work again May 09 07:24:39 is there something i can add to frameworkd.conf to force wifi to always be on by default, and same for bt? May 09 07:26:31 Blu3: I don't think so, last i saw it turned everything off to ensure consistency. May 09 07:26:39 ^_^ May 09 07:27:47 i thought we were making great strides when the gsm modem was turned on by default. it is a phone after all :> May 09 07:29:28 GSM modem is turned off by default. May 09 07:29:32 FYI May 09 07:29:45 current unstable brings it up now May 09 07:30:04 Only after some program is started (Zhone or ophonekitd or Kapula or whatever) that requests GSM resource, it's powered on. May 09 07:30:31 ok, current unstable ophonekitd requests that it get turned on by default now ;) May 09 07:30:39 So, that's a matter of starting some program that will request BT resource from ousaged. May 09 07:31:52 Everything is turned off. Once somebody requests a resource, it's turned on. Until that somebody is holding the resource. That's how it works, it seems to be consistent and elegant enough. May 09 07:35:29 that's fine, that's what i expect. but that's sidestepping a conf saying that something should be requested as enabled by default May 09 07:38:17 There's no conf like that. May 09 07:38:34 Probably ophonekitd should implement a configuration option like that. May 09 07:40:33 better than inventing sliced bread May 09 07:41:29 So, are you still trying to get BT headset to work? May 09 07:42:50 no, tossed it back on the charger for the night. i should have gone to bed. gotta get up in 5 hours for the trainer May 09 07:43:08 it pairs, but doesn't stay paired. i'll look at it another day May 09 07:43:30 Blu3: well, i've already improved the wiki section a bit. Thanks for feedback. May 09 07:43:39 thank you kindly in return May 09 09:34:14 hi May 09 09:42:40 hi, i'm trying to read kernel image from rootfs partition on my neo1973 but what are commands to load kernel from nand? May 09 09:42:45 ah maybe, nand read.e 0x32000000 rootfs? May 09 09:43:19 hi, i'm trying to read kernel image from rootfs partition on my neo1973 but what are commands to load kernel from nand? May 09 09:43:28 because on gta01 last kernels are too big for write it on kernel partition May 09 10:15:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r68873175b2e2 10/libfsotransport/ (6 files in 3 dirs): May 09 10:15:00 freesmartphone.org: fsotransport: remove posixextra vapi from this project May 09 10:15:00 freesmartphone.org: * depend on fsoframework (which contains posixextra.vapi) May 09 10:15:00 freesmartphone.org: * release as 0.9.2 May 09 10:16:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf3c5e523caab 10/libfsotransport/ (configure.ac fsotransport/Makefile.am): fsotransport: post-release version bump May 09 10:50:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r47ae6ce8a0da 10/libfsotransport/configure.ac: fsotransport: yank vapi from configure.ac May 09 12:29:57 Hello everyone May 09 12:57:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ree2e4dd18469 10/onetwork/org.freesmartphone.Network.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.Network.xml: throws fso:org.freesmartphone.InvalidParameter May 09 13:01:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r47ac37a1c3d7 10/ (111 files in 23 dirs): rename directories for clarity May 09 13:02:19 wtf? to many changes ^^ May 09 13:04:25 heh May 09 13:04:31 just for you May 09 13:04:32 :) May 09 13:04:49 now that you bring sanity into our interfaces... May 09 13:04:57 or the workflow, fwiw May 09 13:25:12 When I'm booting Om2008.9 i get "No space left on device". I've also tried booting SHR. I tried formatting the micro SD card with both FAT32, ext2 and ext3 but nothing seems to work. May 09 13:25:25 Any idea how to fix this? May 09 13:26:14 The micro SD card is the one that came with the FR btw... 512MB May 09 13:26:52 staale: don't use OM2008.x? May 09 13:27:16 staale: flash SHR to NAND or prepare your SD properly? May 09 13:28:16 PaulFertser: Yeah, I wanted to use SHR, but since that didn't work out i decided to try Om2008.x May 09 13:28:19 staale: don't forget to flash kernel to NAND too if you plan to bot from it? May 09 13:28:33 staale: om2008 is dead, forget about it May 09 13:29:21 how to save that stupid pin of my gsm account? May 09 13:29:26 PaulFertser: I used NeoTool to flash my FR and as far as I know it flashes to NAND May 09 13:29:27 i don't want to enter it on every reboot May 09 13:29:49 qknight: are you sure your sim prohibit you to disable it? May 09 13:29:54 PaulFertser: And what do you mean by prepare SD properly? Isn't ext3 a supported filesystem? May 09 13:30:08 staale: i don't know anything about neotool except that it's redudant. May 09 13:30:27 staale: well, it depends... Old u-boot can't read kernel from ext3, iirc. May 09 13:30:34 PaulFertser: no i don't want to disable the code in general. the gui could just insert it for me automaticcally May 09 13:30:44 PaulFertser: how to do it without a gui auto fix? May 09 13:31:23 qknight: i guess you need to ask SHR guys for it, i don't know other way... May 09 13:31:50 PaulFertser: Alright, thanks. I'll try to flash everything to NAND :) May 09 13:32:07 PaulFertser: thanks May 09 13:32:13 at #shr? May 09 13:32:22 qknight: at #openmoko-cdevel May 09 13:32:36 thanks May 09 13:32:51 staale: if you never updated your bootloader, then do it first. May 09 13:33:32 staale: and i'd update GSM firmware too. May 09 13:34:35 PaulFertser: Okey, thanks. I've never updated the bootloader nor the GSM firmware, heh. May 09 13:34:54 My FR will be arriving these days. Any suggestions on what I should put on it? Debian or SHR? On one hand, Debian lacks stuff lack openmoko-dialer3 and so on, but I guess I can compile debs for those. On the other hand, I want unusual software that might be unavailable for SHR (ayttm, gnumeric), but I would probably be able to compile any of those too (but I wasn't happy when I had to play with that bb stuff when I had OM 2007.2). And would I have a perfo May 09 13:34:54 rmance hit if I put SHR on the SD card instead of the flash? May 09 13:36:10 thrashold: if you're comfortable with compiling E (including elementary) from source, then Debian is ok. But officially elementary is not packaged yet. May 09 13:39:01 I saw that, but I thought only elementary was missing. I would probably try to compile all the stuff while I'm waiting for the phone to be shipped :) May 09 13:41:16 Cross-compile ;) May 09 13:42:05 I think to use qemu. Slower, but I'm not familiar with all that cross-compile stuff :) May 09 14:10:02 thrashold: qemu is the sort of crosscompiling for debian since the toolchain creates opkg packages May 09 14:11:02 No, qemubuilder (as used by Debian folks) is native compiling. May 09 14:11:51 okay, may depend on how to define the terms. I'd call compiling in such a specialized environment as qemubuilder crosscompiling, too. :) May 09 14:12:25 Does qemubuilder approach run the compiler with qemu, or it uses a native compiler for the destination arch? May 09 14:12:56 the arm compiler is running inside a qemu-system-arm afaik May 09 14:13:07 so its not crossing literally May 09 14:16:19 PaulFertser: Hmm, I flashed the kernel and the rootfs to NAND with dfu-util. However, when booting SHR i still get "Argh. No free space left for GC." Any idea how to fix this? May 09 14:17:53 staale: looks like you didn't flash rootfs... May 09 14:18:18 staale: are you sure you used the right NAND "partition"? May 09 14:21:18 PaulFertser: Hmm, I flashed rootfs by doing sudo dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 May 09 14:22:09 staale: looks ok... May 09 14:23:34 It should be more than enough space on the NAND to boot SHR, right? May 09 14:23:39 Sure May 09 14:25:26 I'm using Qi as bootloader btw... May 09 14:26:25 staale: well, it works here to boot from NAND... Are you sure you haven't done anything dangerous like nandwrite -pm? May 09 14:29:35 PaulFertser: No, I haven't done anything like that. It started after I installed Android May 09 14:31:07 Or, after I flashed FR after having Android installed :p May 09 14:31:30 staale: are you sure you're booting from NAND and not from SD now? May 09 14:33:35 PaulFertser: Yes, I formatted the SD card. May 09 14:34:09 staale: i'd take it out to be sure. Because i don't understand the word "formatted" ;) May 09 14:34:48 Hehe, okey, I'll give it a try :) May 09 14:37:39 PaulFertser: Nah, I still get the same thing :/ May 09 14:39:10 staale: try to hold power button during the time Qi is loading the kernel, you'll get more debugging messages on screen, they might give some clue. May 09 14:39:37 PaulFertser: Okey, thanks, I'll try that May 09 14:39:54 staale: or just use SHR from your uSD. May 09 14:40:30 PaulFertser: Yeah May 09 14:40:42 staale: make one large ext2 partition, properly untar the files, ensure you have /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin there and you should get a bootable system. May 09 14:41:36 PaulFertser: Alright, thanks a lot :) May 09 14:50:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * re52a73c7e446 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Device.LED: throw org.freesmartphone.Unsupported May 09 15:04:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rdab51577fcd9 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi interfaces.vala): fsoframework: add interface for org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply May 09 15:12:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7483e3dc3e0c 10/fsodeviced/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fsodeviced: add skeleton for kernel26_powersupply plugin May 09 15:27:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r327bcf3bc7ec 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: May 09 15:27:45 freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kernel26_powersupply: add AggregatePowerSupply object May 09 15:27:45 freesmartphone.org: In contrast to fso1, fso2 will feature an aggregated power supply object May 09 15:27:45 freesmartphone.org: that combines the status of all available power supplies. This will May 09 15:27:47 freesmartphone.org: then be the only one sending out status signals. The individual power May 09 15:27:49 freesmartphone.org: supply objects will continue to be present; their status can be requested May 09 15:27:51 freesmartphone.org: manually, but they will not send signals. May 09 16:08:59 Can anyone explain why nokia 3310 i disassembled has plenty of large through-holes in PCB on the perimeter of the can holders? May 09 16:30:17 *sniff* today my nokia 7610 finally suffered hardware failure May 09 16:30:24 of all things to go it was the switch under the 8 key May 09 16:30:42 fiiiiiive long years my friend May 09 16:30:53 or rather, worst enemy >:O teaches me ever to buy something fancy again May 09 16:31:19 thank heavens you still have your freerunner unknown_lamer :p May 09 16:33:13 unknown_lamer: five years? that's pretty good going May 09 16:33:33 Zorkman: I have no freerunner because the economy crashed for /me/ well over a year ago May 09 16:34:08 I was initially waiting for the glamoless gta02 as gta03 but oops, let's make it fancy and have the entire project axed... May 09 16:35:47 doc|work: yes. this is after having been smashed so badly at concerts that the camera lense shattered, been dropped countless times (ha, I do it as a trick sometimes -- the keypad + faceplates fly off and then I just put it back together and ... tada), had water poured on it a few times, been SUBMERGED (um, algae is slippery eh), etc. May 09 16:36:21 doc|work: one time I even used it as a projectile weapon and broke someone's glasses :-X May 09 16:36:52 shittiest software ever though May 09 16:37:20 it makes ASU look like it was amazing ;-) May 09 16:37:38 haha, right, 5 years *and* that much abuse. You really can't complain too much. May 09 16:37:40 :) May 09 16:39:19 and just to think, the damn switch under the 8 key hit its EOL and stopped clicking was all that broke May 09 16:39:56 unknown_lamer: is the key fubared? May 09 16:40:25 PaulFertser: the key itself is fine (except that the keypad is starting to go in general -- I've had to replace that part once but it costs $15 for a new shell...) May 09 16:41:03 unknown_lamer: what about "the damn switch" under it then? May 09 16:41:03 PaulFertser: but, I hopped the keypad off and checked the switch with a pencil and yeah, nothing. it was shorted yesterday and kept triggering by itself and this morning *sniff* dead May 09 16:41:40 PaulFertser: five years and a lot of sms ... the switches were probably not meant to be used for *this* long May 09 16:41:52 the one set of moving parts on the entire phone, heh May 09 16:46:53 ahoi May 09 16:56:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0819da0e6d23 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/utilities.vala: fsoframework: utilities: mention filename in warning May 09 17:04:16 Hi Everybody! Is there anyone that can help me? I have some trouble with the Mic Volume on my Freerunner.... May 09 17:04:56 Whatever system I put on there (QT Extended, Openmoko, SHR, Android) every phonecall is barely to hear from the other side.... May 09 17:05:14 Kurisutian: alsactl -f a store and put the file "a" online during phonecall May 09 17:05:41 And I have no Idea how to change that or if there's something wrong with the phone itself.. May 09 17:06:30 lindi-: what system are you using? Currently I have Android Cupcake running.... May 09 17:07:15 Kurisutian: debian but sound is kernel business, not distro May 09 17:07:30 how can I tell if there's any bandwidth used by tangogps? I'm downloading maps and I want to see if anything is happening May 09 17:09:14 lindi-: well I asked bacause I'm not quite sure about the alsactl command if I can run that on android during a phone call.... May 09 17:09:42 Kurisutian: use something where you can run alsactl May 09 17:11:24 lindi-: OK, I'll get back here once I have it done.... thanks for the hint. Just one more question: Was your freerunner mic setting also to low or the calls generally quiet? I'm asking because I don't know yet if it's hardware related or not... May 09 17:12:57 Kurisutian: it's all configurable May 09 17:21:41 lindi-: Well said, now I just have to find the right controller from the 49 something that show up running alsamixer.... ;-) But thanks, that gives me hope... ;-) May 09 17:23:21 Kurisutian: just put the alsactl output online and I can help May 09 17:30:02 lindi-: well I don't have time for it right now. I guess you're in here more often, so I will get back on you! But thanks in advance! Take care! BYE May 09 18:17:54 on debian: is opera mobile working? May 09 18:34:43 nqeOnOpenMoko: opera is propritary stuff? May 09 18:49:46 lindi: i wouldn`t know. May 09 18:50:18 nqeOnOpenMoko: you wouldn't know? ;) May 09 18:50:29 need good browser capable of proper ssl May 09 18:50:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r844da6ecfa88 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel26_powersupply: send status signals May 09 18:52:19 nqeOnOpenMoko: which distro? May 09 18:52:23 have you tried woosh!? May 09 18:53:10 nqeOnOpenMoko: Have you tried Midori? May 09 18:53:21 midori is sloooooooow May 09 18:53:31 * dos1 is using links :D May 09 18:53:43 with x11 support of course May 09 18:53:51 dillo launches like a F1car, but can't do much May 09 18:53:54 I use elinks without X May 09 18:53:58 I'mm happy with midori May 09 18:55:44 running debian. midori install not succesfull yet, May 09 19:19:16 hm... May 09 19:19:35 plugged my FR to my Notebook about 9 hours ago... May 09 19:19:42 did nothing with it May 09 19:19:55 now i see it's panic-flashing it's red led May 09 19:24:24 there's a 2nd src for red flashing: uboot recover from low bat May 09 19:28:55 the FR was running when i plugged it in May 09 19:33:05 Wonka: u can tell apart by flash freq May 09 19:33:37 quite fast flashing May 09 19:33:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb87201fec602 10/libfsoframework/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: interfaces: add org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.Capacity signal May 09 19:33:53 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r585a06499653 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel26_powersupply: send org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.Capacity regularly May 09 19:33:57 also, my FR does motorboating without bat May 09 19:34:45 Wonka: sounds like kernel panic, please apply ramconsole patch and use watchdog to see it May 09 19:34:48 Wonka: or use debug board May 09 19:35:06 iirc uboot flash is very slow May 09 19:35:32 *sigh* I should get me a size 3 torx driver... May 09 19:35:54 and see why my FR manages to panic after days of uptime May 09 19:36:42 dont think a tx3 will help May 09 19:36:55 it will help to connect the debug board to the FR, nor? May 09 19:37:25 after all iirc its tx6 May 09 19:37:44 whichever it may be - i don't have one :/ May 09 19:38:39 hmm... does Qi use any the u_boot-env partition? May 09 19:38:43 -any May 09 19:39:23 if not, could that one be used as a dmesg ring buffer, so that panic stuff could get written there? May 09 19:39:57 Wonka: consider lindi- suggestion May 09 19:40:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r856038881e9d 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_powersupply: send 'critical' and 'empty' status May 09 19:40:29 it's exactly that basically May 09 19:46:35 cool May 09 19:47:49 * PaulFertser soldered what seems to be a proper m2bus cable to communicate with nokia 3310 but can't get anywhere with gnukii ... :-/ May 09 19:47:49 this kernel has CONFIG_ANDROID_RAM_CONSOLE=y and CONFIG_ANDROID_RAM_CONSOLE_ENABLE_VERBOSE=y May 09 19:48:29 PaulFertser: cool - I have one of those too. How do I install SHR? :) May 09 19:49:07 huh? May 09 19:49:08 so what kernel parameter would I need now? mem=127M panic=20? May 09 19:49:23 missed the pun May 09 19:49:35 Wonka: for example May 09 19:49:59 Wonka: that android_ram_console is totally different May 09 19:50:19 I came up with the name first ;) May 09 19:50:19 Wow, it started to work after i plugged in external power, googled that trick :) May 09 19:50:36 lindi-: hm, so it's not ramconsole-1? May 09 19:50:39 SpeedEvil: do you use yours as a GSM modem? ;) May 09 19:50:42 lindi-: can I still use it? May 09 19:51:10 Wonka: i don't know what it does May 09 19:51:11 PaulFertser: no - it's kinda broken. May 09 19:51:12 ATM, i would not really like to build my own kernel... May 09 19:54:05 SpeedEvil: FTDI232RL rocks May 09 19:55:24 isn't it obsolete? May 09 19:57:00 DocMobilizer: it's not obsolete, it's just resting. May 09 19:58:22 DocMobilizer: what is obsolete? May 09 19:58:36 what's the chip in debubo? May 09 19:58:57 (sorry aft) May 09 19:59:04 debubo... i like that name ;) May 09 20:00:21 DocMobilizer: FT2232D May 09 20:00:29 DocMobilizer: and a conventional usb hub. May 09 20:02:00 yup, thouht FT2232Dis obsoleting 232 May 09 20:04:11 DocMobilizer: nope, it's basically the same but in chip in debubo has two 8-bit outputs and requires some external components (including 12MHz). May 09 20:04:52 aah ok. good point May 09 20:04:56 DocMobilizer: i think FT232R is more modern then. May 09 20:06:25 And FT232R can provide good stable clock to some external circuity, uC e.g. May 09 20:06:45 coool May 09 20:07:23 And RL is a semi-convenient SSOP 0.8 variant. May 09 20:08:26 reduced length ;-D May 09 20:44:02 Is anyone here using a recent svn build of navit and SHR? (I'd like to know whether the audio breakage after suspend is fixed) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 10 02:59:57 2009