**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 12 02:59:57 2009 May 12 03:54:20 openmoko: 03werner * r4971 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (pcf50633-03-n3.lib pcf50633-04-n3.lib): Renamed pcf50633-03-n3.lib to pcf50633-04-n3.lib May 12 04:09:59 openmoko: 03werner * r4972 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core.lib mkloe pcf50633-04-n3.lib): (log message trimmed) May 12 04:09:59 openmoko: pcf50633-04-n3.lib: May 12 04:09:59 openmoko: - renamed DOWN1FN to DOWN2FB May 12 04:09:59 openmoko: - DOWN2* group was just a copy of DOWN1* May 12 04:09:59 openmoko: gta02-core.lib: May 12 04:10:01 openmoko: - regenerated May 12 04:10:03 openmoko: mkloe: May 12 07:12:29 morning May 12 07:42:42 good morning May 12 08:10:13 openmoko: 03werner * r4973 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core.lib wm8753l.lib): May 12 08:10:13 openmoko: wm8753l.lib: May 12 08:10:13 openmoko: - changed LOUT2 was incorrectly labeled ROUT2 May 12 08:10:13 openmoko: - MICBIAS should be "Output" (was "Input") May 12 08:10:13 openmoko: - VXDIN should be "Input" (was "BiDi") May 12 08:10:14 openmoko: gta02-core.lib: May 12 08:10:16 openmoko: - rebuild for wm8753l changes May 12 09:51:08 please go on this link: May 12 09:51:08 http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 May 12 09:51:09 http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 May 12 09:51:09 http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 May 12 09:51:20 no, thanks May 12 09:56:04 openmoko: 03werner * r4974 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/pcf50633-04-n3.lib: Pin types improved. By Dave Ball May 12 09:59:15 re May 12 09:59:19 mirko-paroli: there? May 12 09:59:27 kinda May 12 09:59:54 http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/144 May 12 10:00:00 ^ most serious issue May 12 10:00:04 i get a mail for every report May 12 10:00:15 ok then May 12 10:00:33 just when you hang up you can accidentally hit the call button, so paroli freeze May 12 10:00:57 openmoko: 03werner * r4975 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core.lib wm8753l.lib): May 12 10:00:57 openmoko: wm8753l.lib: May 12 10:00:57 openmoko: - changed VMID and VREF to "passive", as suggested by Dave Ball May 12 10:00:57 openmoko: gta02-core.lib: May 12 10:00:57 openmoko: - updated for last two changes May 12 10:04:52 khiraly1: I can't reproduce that May 12 10:04:58 no way May 12 10:04:58 you call someone May 12 10:05:03 yepp May 12 10:05:05 you hang up May 12 10:05:21 and you just press the call button May 12 10:05:26 (without any number in it) May 12 10:05:45 and check how many paroli windows do you have May 12 10:05:46 ah May 12 10:05:50 yeah May 12 10:05:51 too many May 12 10:05:55 but the UI doesn't freeze May 12 10:05:57 and call yourself May 12 10:05:58 k May 12 10:06:04 but it does May 12 10:06:10 you cant click on Tele, msgs, i/o May 12 10:06:19 just on alarm settings May 12 10:06:26 but try to call yourself May 12 10:06:32 i did May 12 10:06:40 i get a huge amount of tele windows May 12 10:06:43 you cant answer it, can you? May 12 10:06:47 yepp May 12 10:07:12 ok. I think this is the numero 1 suspect for my many bugs.;) May 12 10:07:12 i believe as soon as tele opens only once May 12 10:07:22 that problem will aslo be gone May 12 10:07:53 And basically paroli has trouble with anything where no data provided (no pin entered, no calling number, no gprs settings, etc) May 12 10:08:05 no calling number does not even reach python May 12 10:08:13 ehh May 12 10:08:25 no gprs settings shouldn't be a paroli prob either May 12 10:08:28 it'll try to register May 12 10:08:31 but won't succeed May 12 10:08:51 but its not you who should double check if the data are valid? May 12 10:08:59 like calling number 06,20 May 12 10:09:06 well how do I know what your operator wants May 12 10:09:14 how do you get a comma in tele? May 12 10:09:43 see bug #141 May 12 10:10:37 ah May 12 10:10:42 that is the length of the number May 12 10:10:47 I built an error dialog this morning May 12 10:10:58 i'll try May 12 10:11:34 yeah May 12 10:11:35 works May 12 10:11:42 not the saving of the message but the error dialog May 12 10:12:30 you can check if a number is valid or not. if len(num)<3 and len(num) > 15 May 12 10:13:01 but zero length is invalid for sure May 12 10:16:48 I font know, but here all the emergency numbers are 3 letters. So any number with only two letters is invalid. Im pretty sure in USA is the same May 12 10:17:28 speeddial May 12 10:17:33 if it ever comes in paroli May 12 10:17:37 would be only one digit May 12 10:18:56 yepp, but its a shortcut. You replace it with a real number and send it to frameworkd. No? May 12 10:19:25 bew May 12 10:20:03 hi raster! May 12 10:20:38 raster: would you mind to answer me some questions about illume keyboard? May 12 10:21:05 kkk May 12 10:22:34 I have created a dict for illume. But it doesnt recognize some word in it. I suspect the alphabetical order is the key issue. May 12 10:22:34 So must be the lines in the dict file be in alphabetical order? May 12 10:24:09 khiraly1: yes, AFAIK.. May 12 10:24:42 and what are the numbers in the .dict file? So if i create a dict with only 40 (key)word, what should I write as numbers? May 12 10:24:50 khiraly1: what did you use as source? Someone used wikipedia (at least in Finnish the SMS language is a lot different from Wikipedia language), someone used irc logs :) May 12 10:25:14 rhkfin: ls -1 /usr/bin May 12 10:25:22 khiraly1: I like that!!! May 12 10:25:29 khiraly1: aaah yes. it MUST be in case-insensitive alphabetical order May 12 10:25:30 must May 12 10:25:30 I've been thinking about the same May 12 10:25:45 and the numbers are frequrency of use May 12 10:25:51 just how often the word haws been used May 12 10:25:57 rhkfin: and a keyword based dictionary, where you have only 40 choice, and illume should always propose the right one May 12 10:26:00 the default dict comes seeded with works and freqs May 12 10:26:02 khiraly1: I hope you'll release it at some stage :) And also a script to rerun it every now and then.. May 12 10:26:19 your personal dict will copy them from the system dict and aqdjust them to hve new numbers as you use them more May 12 10:26:44 and thus it effectively adjusts to your pattern of language usage, and is more likely to offer words YOU use often May 12 10:26:45 raster: yepp, just I want to create a dict, where the words are limited to about 40 possibilities May 12 10:26:54 so what should I write them as frequency? May 12 10:27:00 khiraly1: 1? May 12 10:27:09 'in the analyzed text they all appeal once' May 12 10:27:16 any number you like May 12 10:27:30 as long as relatively they are raqted for how often you'll use them May 12 10:27:32 higher number means illume will recognize better? May 12 10:27:37 Then use it for a week and check if numbers have changed and save that May 12 10:27:43 well it just means the word is more common May 12 10:27:54 as you use it it will adjust over time to your usage May 12 10:27:58 modifying the numbers May 12 10:28:11 so the best way to pick a number is guess then just use it for a month and see what they end up as May 12 10:28:41 raster: I dont like this personal dict at all May 12 10:28:53 raster: they pollute with different dictionary May 12 10:29:11 khiraly1: symlink? May 12 10:29:23 so when I write shell commands it propose me english words, when I write hungarian text it propose me shell commands, etc May 12 10:29:37 I would like dynamic dict for each dictionary May 12 10:29:46 so they doesnt pollute each other May 12 10:29:49 hmm.. no :) I might have understood it wrong.. May 12 10:30:53 rhkfin: my problems is, I have one common dynamic dict. And when I choose this very special dictionary (lets say shell commands) I want only shell commands proposed and not some previously typed english texts May 12 10:31:25 khiraly1: there is nocode to handle writing to a different personal dict based on system dict May 12 10:31:31 patches accepted May 12 10:31:32 :) May 12 10:31:52 so when you choose your dictionary you want to write in that language. (being it python keywords, shell commands, hungarian corpus, english corpus, some predefined lists) May 12 10:33:17 raster: back to the numbers. If you want only 40 words, and I want beeing proposed only from that set, the higher numbers means illume will propose from that set? May 12 10:33:43 s/If you/if I/ May 12 10:33:44 khiraly1 meant: raster: back to the numbers. if I want only 40 words, and I want beeing proposed only from that set, the higher numbers means illume will propose from that set? May 12 10:34:00 one .dict = one set? May 12 10:34:06 yepp May 12 10:34:25 khiraly1: the numbr is frequency May 12 10:34:29 it is NOT just that that maters May 12 10:34:36 its also how badly you typo things May 12 10:34:36 also what keys you press.... May 12 10:34:50 if you typo it badly enough it might not figure it out no matter how high the freq May 12 10:35:01 or you typo it in a way that almost matches a much less frequntly used word May 12 10:35:07 but tis far from the one you wanted May 12 10:35:12 raster: how 'far' on the keyboard does the typo feature reach? 2 keys away? May 12 10:35:24 it is a combination of frequency and how close your "keystrokes" are to each word in the dict May 12 10:35:32 depends on the kbd layout May 12 10:35:36 thats the fuzz value May 12 10:35:46 its a unit value in kbd layout units May 12 10:36:36 raster: cool :) May 12 10:38:00 raster: and what are the hundred percent in frequency? May 12 10:38:27 khiraly1: it's not relative..? May 12 10:38:51 it's just how many times the work is used (in the source material and typed after that) May 12 10:38:54 ok. I have 40 words in my language, nothing else. Should I write 2.5 for each word in the dict? May 12 10:39:04 or 1 or 400 - it doesn't matter.. May 12 10:39:05 khiraly1: there is no 100% May 12 10:39:12 (I'd go for 1) May 12 10:39:28 if you want them all to be equally used then give them all the same number May 12 10:39:37 in any language May 12 10:39:40 aham. ok May 12 10:39:42 some words are used more than others May 12 10:39:53 take any set of books, newspapers, letters, emails etc. May 12 10:40:08 I understand now. But the dynamic dict has higher rate, so it will overwrite the default proposition;-\ May 12 10:40:19 people will use "and" much more than they use "hippopotamus" May 12 10:40:20 I guess it's worth startig with low numbers -> the usage really affects then the frequency (1:2 is a bit different from 400:401..) May 12 10:40:27 in any set of txt large enough you can C May 12 10:40:35 raster: Im not interested right now in natural language. More in python keywords, shell commands, and some custom sets May 12 10:40:36 COUNT how many times evey word is used May 12 10:40:56 imaging that number simply as the number of times that word appears in a given text. May 12 10:40:58 thats all it is May 12 10:40:59 khiraly1: the language really doesn't matter! May 12 10:41:06 the rest is your business May 12 10:41:08 I will create a dict, for my language(hungarian), but Im not really that sms guy May 12 10:41:17 khiraly1: in ANY language May 12 10:41:17 ok. I understand it May 12 10:41:20 INCLUDING python May 12 10:41:20 Actually it'd make sense to add your name/signature there with a high frequency to be able to easily add it to SMS's :) May 12 10:41:21 shell May 12 10:41:22 c May 12 10:41:30 certain WORDS aremore comoon tan others May 12 10:41:44 certain PEOPLE typo more than others :) May 12 10:41:46 eg "if" is more "common" than goto in c May 12 10:41:59 ok, Im getting now. May 12 10:42:14 it applies to ANY form of communication May 12 10:42:22 be it communicatng with a machine in a programming lang May 12 10:42:24 or a shell May 12 10:42:29 or a human natural language May 12 10:42:37 some words are more common than others May 12 10:44:28 raster: by the way, typing with illume keyword selecting a word from a set (like only 40 words in dict), is at least twice as fast as writing on paper May 12 10:44:55 sounds good :) May 12 10:45:00 khiraly1: cool! May 12 10:45:11 just I need to erase the ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic file. If not it will propose me some previously typed words May 12 10:45:14 khiraly1: he idea is that a doict+correction canmake up a lot for typos May 12 10:45:18 IF the dict is good May 12 10:45:19 * rhkfin needs to limit the words used in communications :) May 12 10:45:31 thats really aq matter for the dict conents to be good and have frequencies set right May 12 10:45:41 if only shifting probabilities diddn't have to involve looking at keyb May 12 10:45:45 and then the code to weigh the dict freq with the margin of error in you typing and merge them May 12 10:45:50 it cant always get it right May 12 10:46:12 not with a sufficiently large languge where there are just too many common words your typo could be May 12 10:46:37 raster: and cant be selecting dicts-dynamic/[dictionaryname]-personal.dic in place of the default personal.dic? May 12 10:46:39 but hopefully it gets it right mostof the time or very often and your desired word is at last in the top 3 or 4 words so they are 1 press away May 12 10:46:45 Where should I look into the code. May 12 10:46:46 if that faisl theres always the long list popup May 12 10:46:54 and typing in ith zoom mode May 12 10:47:13 khiraly1: you cant as the code literally handles only a single personaldict May 12 10:47:18 for everything and writes back toit May 12 10:47:22 patches accepted :) May 12 10:47:31 e_kbd_*.c May 12 10:47:41 but the only place to alter it, is when you load the personal.dic May 12 10:47:52 e_kbd_*.c in the illumemodile in e17's src May 12 10:47:58 so you load other personal.dic for each system.dic May 12 10:48:08 khiraly1: its a little mlore complex than that May 12 10:48:15 as everthing you type does into an May 12 10:48:20 overlay dict May 12 10:48:22 (it personal one) May 12 10:48:29 and this is regularly flushed and written to disk May 12 10:48:44 then re-loaded to avoid malloced ram and kep it mmapd from disk May 12 10:48:58 and If I delete the personal.dic file does illume has it in the system memory? May 12 10:49:24 it will be most unhapy as it has diectly mmaped it May 12 10:49:29 tho a delete might work May 12 10:49:43 bat a echo > ditcfile will make for nice segvs May 12 10:50:20 ok. But closing the personal.dic (overlay dic) when selecting an other system dic, is pretty feasable. No? May 12 10:50:22 btw the prediction is a bit challange for languages with suffixes.. Like in english, you just put words after another, mostly unaltered, in some languages a word can actually have some 20-30 forms.. May 12 10:50:53 rhkfin: yepp, I know it;) Hungarian is the worst of all May 12 10:51:08 Finnish and Hungarian are related, I hear.. May 12 10:52:31 rhkfin: people talks;) Back in uni, when I had some good finnish friend, we hardly found some common word. ;) But its a funny experience at least May 12 10:52:57 rhkfin: basically Im toying with the idea, as illume would simply write down the word *without* a space at the end May 12 10:53:02 khiraly1: I know, there are not common words but I guess it's the structure or grammar or something that's related May 12 10:53:11 so you could write the word, and choose the suffix for it May 12 10:53:17 khiraly1: not bad! May 12 10:53:49 its not ideal, but could be working. Especially if you omit the accents, what you usually do in sms anyway May 12 10:54:20 and add higher ratings for the suffix. May 12 10:54:53 we don't have accents, only ö and ä May 12 10:54:58 Need some experience to prove it. May 12 10:55:13 doh May 12 10:55:20 need utf8 enabled here? May 12 10:55:32 rhkfin: but you have double letters for accent May 12 10:55:54 like ae ee, or something. Im not an expert at all in finnish May 12 10:56:16 Just listened some finnish rock some time ago, and learned the lyrics;) May 12 10:56:40 a with dots can be replaced with ae (but only foreigners do it who don't have ä in their keyboards :) May 12 10:56:52 so we use ä and ö all the time May 12 10:56:56 hi, can i zoom yahoo.com with the phone? May 12 10:57:04 I do not see your accents;) I see only ? and ? May 12 10:57:05 rhkfin: we all have ä on our keyboards May 12 10:57:14 doudou: with what application? May 12 10:57:18 ok, XorA has accent May 12 10:57:26 khiraly1: hmm.. ok, maybe I fail. I see it.. May 12 10:57:29 khiraly1: Alt Gr " a May 12 10:57:34 openmoko with the freerunner phone? May 12 10:57:46 i am searching for a phone, i went here ... May 12 10:57:59 doudou: slow down.. May 12 10:58:38 features are: use xserver and zoom parts and keep the kbd on the screen while, or at least with the kbd on the screen run putty May 12 10:58:52 Software for Freerunner is under heavy developement. My guesstimation is that there are about 5% of people who ordered it, using it as a daily phone. May 12 10:59:26 raster: got a link to zoomed keyboard? May 12 10:59:32 to screenshot of .. May 12 10:59:42 I'm using it as a daily phone. May 12 10:59:47 So am i May 12 10:59:58 I've been using it as a daily phone for 9 months or so May 12 11:00:02 me too :) May 12 11:00:14 I am too. Well, not now, now I'm using 1973, since fr is in repair ;] May 12 11:00:17 * XorA has friends so needs to use a working phone :-) May 12 11:00:23 nice, still 10 to go :) May 12 11:00:33 XorA: mine works properly May 12 11:00:36 No problem at all May 12 11:00:53 lucky you, youve got the golden model :-) May 12 11:01:09 Nope, just the golden distro May 12 11:01:22 And friends May 12 11:01:31 I had the GPS issue and still have the buzz issue, but it doesn't prevent me from using it May 12 11:01:39 raster: this enlightenment source tree is huge. http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/e/src/modules/illume/e_kbd.c May 12 11:01:46 ^^ are we talking about this? May 12 11:02:04 i understood that to see internet with a phone you must be able to zoom on parts of screen as you want, but as this feature is not a hardward feature, how can i use a phone to see the xserver of my home on it? May 12 11:02:43 raster: will take months to figure out the C source, as I never done anything serious in C. May 12 11:02:48 doudou: here's a zoomed keyboard: http://dy.fi/7pj (you need to zoom in to see it, only a thumb..) May 12 11:03:09 doudou: vnc? May 12 11:03:37 khiraly1: yes. May 12 11:03:46 i dont now anything about vnc, i went until ssh client May 12 11:03:48 tho actually e_kbd_int*.c May 12 11:03:53 ned yes May 12 11:03:56 e';s svn is huge May 12 11:04:01 over a million lines of c in there May 12 11:04:03 i saw your picture, does the kbd stay for all applications? May 12 11:04:08 doudou: I don't quite get what you want.. But need to go.. May 12 11:04:16 doudou: can be switched manually on/off May 12 11:04:31 Tell someone if SHR enables the keyboard with AUX button..? May 12 11:04:53 see i can keep the kbd on the screnn for any application running on the phone, can i zoom part of screen too? May 12 11:05:16 doudou: don't know about the zoom.. Why do you think youi need it? May 12 11:05:18 raster: there is some doc how can I compile on freerunner? So if I modify the illume keyboard code, who can I update it on the phone to try it out? May 12 11:05:26 rhkfin: Well you can bind what you want on AUX May 12 11:05:31 Ainulindale: right.. May 12 11:05:43 rhkfin: So you can bind a script which would popup the keyboard if you like it that way May 12 11:05:49 For the time being it's the screen locker May 12 11:05:51 Ainulindale: got it May 12 11:06:04 rhkfin, i saw the only way to browse yahoo.com on a phone for example is to be able to zoom parts as you like May 12 11:06:13 khiraly1: ugh May 12 11:06:13 doudou: see http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php for screenshots of what people do with it (and some other devices, too.. GTA02 is freerunner there) May 12 11:06:18 compile ON frerunner May 12 11:06:32 doudou: did you know what's the resolution of FR screen? About 300dpi.. May 12 11:06:32 continental drift seems more interesting May 12 11:06:43 rhkfin: 285dpi May 12 11:06:43 doudou: actually zoom the screen, or just increase the zoom in the browser and use scrollbars? the latter should be possible (depending on the browser?) May 12 11:06:48 doudou: -> you don't need a zoom if your eyes are ok.. May 12 11:07:22 Woosh is said to be able to zoom & pan nicely but it fails to run here and there (a browser, see opkg.org) May 12 11:07:29 (13.06.48) rhkfin: doudou: -> you don't need a zoom if your eyes are ok.. <-- use a microscope May 12 11:07:30 Weiss, what i saw is to zoom with fingers touching the screen, seems minimal way May 12 11:08:14 * Weiss is an electron microscopist by day :) May 12 11:08:19 rhkfin, you dont need chat if your mind is ok too May 12 11:08:34 doudou: hmm.. May 12 11:08:49 all we need is love? May 12 11:08:54 raster: i dont understand the concept behind the type of keyboard (alpha, numeric, terminal). May 12 11:09:15 khiraly1: just three different layouts? May 12 11:09:29 The keyboard should only default on a dict. And would be a none.dict, where no words are present May 12 11:09:53 khiraly1: to support lots of layouts May 12 11:10:05 for different uses, languages, people, preferences May 12 11:10:13 i understood that new phone have touch screen, and can zoom with fingers, and pop kbd on screen, but this feature is not hardward, nor os, but depends of application May 12 11:10:21 you cant fit every key you want in 1 kbd layout and still sanly type on such a small sceen with your finers May 12 11:11:13 raster: but this types are hardcoded. I cant create a keyboard as "python" type, and defaults to python.dict May 12 11:11:27 you absolutely can May 12 11:11:28 doudou: it can depend on app so that always when the app tells that a kbd is needed, it's popped out or you can map it to a HW button to launch whenever you want to. May 12 11:11:46 well from illums point of view you can May 12 11:11:55 not from thex kbd protocol May 12 11:12:01 as it uses enumerated types May 12 11:12:06 which can be expanded tho May 12 11:12:15 not sure uw ant a python layout May 12 11:12:20 you want a coding kbd May 12 11:12:24 with langage == python May 12 11:12:26 ie dict May 12 11:12:51 raster: ha, so you define the default dict in the kbd file? May 12 11:12:57 great to know! May 12 11:13:03 the apps that i would like to use is xserver or at least putty, with finger zoom, and keyb on screen (even to use with a pen) May 12 11:13:11 I would like to ask illume from program, that please select python.dict, and after please select shell.dict. But I assume "patches welcomed" for this too;-P May 12 11:13:14 doudou: putty is a windows app..? May 12 11:13:23 so what phone should i buy for this? May 12 11:13:26 But you can use terminal anyway with no probs.. May 12 11:13:38 putty can be compiled under linux and symbian May 12 11:14:18 doudou: I really don't understand what's the problem. FR with the latest OM2009 testing3 distribution has a on-screen keyboard and terminal May 12 11:14:44 rhkfin: terminal is really small. Im more thinking about changing caps lock to be special letters. So I could use the english layout where the capslock would switch to {}@[]()$;., etc symbols May 12 11:15:00 but, if putty does not do finger zoom and kbd on screen, i wont be able to use it as i dont have your precise eyes May 12 11:15:26 doudou: see http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/54707f1ec99d2f6d6dd0c84a1470fd7f.png - its the terminal with on-screen keyboard. There are zoom buttons on top to change the font size in the terminal window May 12 11:15:57 doudou: so you can change the text size to HUGE May 12 11:16:33 but I don't know if it's possible to zoom 'anything / all apps'. But I guess you can lower the resolution -> get thins bigger May 12 11:16:49 (13.15.57) rhkfin: doudou: so you can change the text size to HUGE <-- and it rewraps the lines May 12 11:17:04 khiraly1: yes May 12 11:17:17 doudou: I'll submit a new screenshot in a sec.. May 12 11:17:27 the zoom functionality would be pretty usefull by the way. I think iphone has it May 12 11:18:04 doudou: see http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/76bea5c7f85ba266b6901ed1873cb160.png <- terminal with large font size May 12 11:18:25 is there touch screen on this phone? May 12 11:18:30 But yes, a magnifier glass wouldn't be bad. I'd think there's something around that'd be easy to compile on FR May 12 11:18:33 doudou: yes May 12 11:18:49 doudou: it only has two hardware buttons: AUX and power. May 12 11:18:57 That's why there's the on-screen keyboard May 12 11:19:08 raster: found it. e_kbd_buf.c:249 e_kbd_buf_new May 12 11:20:31 I need to find where you change the dict, and recreate a new kb pointer. I think I need to get a C for dummies book. Dont feel confident touching this code at all May 12 11:20:58 * rhkfin thinks khiraly1 should touch paroli code :) May 12 11:21:34 can i zoom with my fingers like with samsung or iphone? May 12 11:21:56 rhkfin: yepp. Its more easy, but I *want* this feature. Dont like my different dictionaries pollutes into the same dynamic dict. It does not make sense at all. May 12 11:21:58 doudou: no multitouch support on FR May 12 11:22:25 no multitouch, but much more precise May 12 11:22:46 much more precise screen (but how about the precision of touchscreen?) May 12 11:23:09 rhkfin: resistive vs capacitive? Resisitive is much more precise. May 12 11:23:12 rhkfin: much more precise touchscreen. I just tried iphone, and sometimes it simply does not register my tapping. May 12 11:23:13 how can i use it in my country? where will i find explanations? May 12 11:23:49 PaulFertser: khiraly1 cool! May 12 11:23:56 khiraly1: probably because you try to tap with your nail? May 12 11:24:09 doudou: explanations of what? May 12 11:24:23 however iphone has lower resolution but 1.5 times bigger the screen in every direction. So much more comfortable to type on it. But the iphone's keyboard are not in the same league with illume keyboard. Its a real pain in the ass using (the iphone's) May 12 11:24:25 anyway they sold all, next in 1 or 2 month May 12 11:24:38 doudou: have you ever wrote some sh-script? May 12 11:24:39 doudou: you put the SIM card in and start using? Or do you mean in your local language? Not much localization has been done yet -> it's ~all in english May 12 11:24:47 doudou: if not probably FR is not for you. May 12 11:25:07 i was looking at http://bearstech.com/shop#gta02 May 12 11:25:14 doudou: it's still a developer phone that requires some linux hacking skills to use it.. May 12 11:25:18 PaulFertser: dont know. Maybe my fingers are wet a bit, or charge electrically a bit. Sometimes the same happens with my laptop touchpad. I think the same technology May 12 11:25:23 but the SIM card is not enought for internet May 12 11:25:24 doudou: you can also buy it from other places, like pulster.de May 12 11:25:43 doudou: no, some hacking required.. May 12 11:25:43 i must know if it will work with phone providers May 12 11:25:48 doudou: it does May 12 11:25:56 khiraly1: probably wet should be ok... May 12 11:26:12 is there some explanations for .fr? May 12 11:26:21 doudou: there's a forum.. wait.. May 12 11:26:39 doudou: check http://openmoko-fr.org/ May 12 11:26:54 PaulFertser: when this happens with my laptop touchpad, I simply rub my hands ;) May 12 11:26:59 doudou: i'd suggest to read wiki.openmoko.org instead. Stay away from web-forums! May 12 11:27:02 On the forum they'll be able to answer your FR & .fr questions May 12 11:27:23 * PaulFertser sees web-forums as useless harming places May 12 11:27:25 PaulFertser: how about IRC :)? May 12 11:27:49 thanks for all, seem interesting product for my use May 12 11:27:55 thanks May 12 11:27:57 rhkfin: IRC is ok for quick interactive questions. May 12 11:28:00 doudou: think about a bit. Choose only freerunner if you can live with their deficiency. And buy only buzzfixed models (tuxbrain.com sell buzz fixed) May 12 11:28:12 rhkfin: and for spending time :) May 12 11:28:43 PaulFertser: heh :) May 12 11:29:16 doudou: but yes, wiki.openmoko.org is a place to surf for a day or two. lists.openmoko.org maybe too May 12 11:29:20 well i like free, must accept some deficiencies now to gain advantages latter? May 12 11:29:27 doudou: no, really freerunner is still mostly for hacking not for using (though hackers use it as an everyday cellphone). May 12 11:29:32 (and don't thell PaulFertser but also check the french sit :) May 12 11:29:33 site :) May 12 11:30:04 doudou: basically, it turns out that making hardware and software for a fully functional phone which just works for everyone is really, really hard May 12 11:30:16 doudou: accept maybe freerunner will never be perfect. Just like with linux distributions, there is always some lack here and there. Broken wifi, not working touchpad. Always need a bit hand tuning at the end;) May 12 11:30:18 doudou: don't expect to use it as a primary phone for the next 6 months at least May 12 11:30:58 doudou: buy it if you want to develop a custom application. (it is my case) May 12 11:31:03 like a dict or whatever May 12 11:31:03 what i understand is that it may suit my needs (ssh xterm) the price if 320€ may be same than something else for a year (i dont know exactly how much is to have internet) May 12 11:31:43 doudou: 269EUR btw. And at pulster is 249 EUR (without buzz fix) May 12 11:32:48 thanks i go to eat May 12 11:33:10 this online enlightenment source browser is not bad at all. Would be nice a "find in files" functionality May 12 11:33:36 but I can check out. Need to figure out how to compile illume. Seems like a huge job;-\ May 12 11:36:13 khiraly1: what about easy_e17? Or use OE? May 12 11:37:05 PaulFertser: I only wnat to modify illume keyboard a bit. Never done any serious in C, and probably this will the only functionality what I will write into enlightenment;) May 12 11:37:43 if I can btw. Seems like a man-month for me. Studying C, and tinkering with the code May 12 11:38:42 OE is much easier for compiling big things with many dependencies May 12 11:39:05 Weiss: why, should I recompile the whole E, when I wnat only modify the illume module of it? May 12 11:39:30 Weiss: he can debug his changes on host and then just send a patch to someone who can quickly apply it. May 12 11:40:03 whats for dicts-dynamic/data.dic? May 12 11:41:11 its about 5000 line of code (e_kbd*.c) does not seem impossible to decypher. About a month seems to be right. May 12 11:41:39 I will print it, and study and google and study and google and google, and google;)) May 12 11:42:54 I promised a patch for paroli too, I stop to babbling here. May 12 11:42:55 bbl May 12 11:43:20 if you're not cross-compiling, then it should be easier.. but configuring everything properly when cross-compiling can get seriously unpleasant May 12 11:44:28 Weiss: have some link to read? May 12 11:44:32 links May 12 11:45:01 I just need to figure out which code is called when I change dictionary. May 12 11:45:26 If I find it, I close the overlay keyboard(personal.dic) and reopen the right one (based on system dict name) May 12 11:46:01 If I see it right every function is in place (closing the overlay dict). Just need to find the right func and test and test;) May 12 11:46:08 not for E, i'm just making a general comment about cross-compiling things which have lots of dependencies May 12 11:46:27 a month seems to be right, knowing I do not have much C knowledge May 12 11:55:42 it can be quite hard to judge these things.. you might also find it turns out to be really easy May 12 11:57:42 yeah. May 12 11:58:22 or you might run into something trivial and annoying :( May 12 11:58:25 not if you know, you hardly know anything about C;) So a month will be not even enough, if I dont get the pointers within a week;). May 12 11:58:29 * SpeedEvil passes khiraly1 a book entitled 'Learn all programming languages in a week. (At the low low cost of only one soul)' May 12 11:59:11 I assume the actual work shouldn't be more than a half day with testing included.;) May 12 11:59:16 you can learn all programming languages in 24 hours May 12 11:59:19 ok. Enough talk. lets fight May 12 11:59:38 * SpeedEvil passes CVirus the threaded intercal manual. May 12 11:59:47 CVirus: and native language too. Why? tomorrow is an exam?;) May 12 11:59:56 hehe May 12 12:00:18 talking about exams .. I got two of those tomorrow .. and a project evaluation in an hour May 12 12:01:44 good luck. May 12 13:33:19 Question about OM or maybe more generally Linux and Bluetooth. I got a bluetooth device (FrogPad) and keep having to repair the device everytime I want to use it, and when the Keyboard goes into powersave mode May 12 13:33:57 Well the question was is this normal and is there a way to tell Linux to automatically connect when it sees the device May 12 14:00:54 Arigead: that frogpad looks interesting, is it fairly easy to adapt to? May 12 14:03:50 mirko-paroli: when will be out the beta4 of om2009? Im asking if it is today or tomorrow, I wont reinstall git and paroli on the device (take more than 2 hours) May 12 14:04:01 I have seen your recent commits and want to try it out. May 12 14:04:01 ndnihil: the wiki has a great instruction for that May 12 14:04:39 khiraly1: not sure when the next testing comes, Angus bumped e and said it might break things we won't have a testing before that is stable May 12 14:04:44 unstable comes daily May 12 14:05:41 does paroli still accepts zero length numbers? May 12 14:05:53 khiraly1: where? May 12 14:05:57 in Tele May 12 14:06:03 it never did May 12 14:06:09 so pressing only on calling May 12 14:06:29 check the source, 0 length is caught by edje May 12 14:06:35 + if hasattr(self.storage.window, "window") and app == 'Tele' and value !='' : May 12 14:06:36 and never makes it to python May 12 14:06:39 ^^ I see it May 12 14:06:40 thanks May 12 14:06:45 hu? May 12 14:06:49 that is sth different May 12 14:07:05 hmm. May 12 14:07:38 how could I press on the call button without a number in it? May 12 14:07:45 hm? May 12 14:08:11 where is it in the code. Im curious how did you resolved. A pointer would be helpful May 12 14:09:17 rhkfin: I was referring more to it being easy to use, when coming from a full size keyboard environment May 12 14:09:30 paroli-applications/tele2/edje/default/dialpad_rev2.edc line 200 May 12 14:09:36 ndnihil: ah, okay :) May 12 14:10:28 thx mirko-paroli, Im reading the code May 12 14:11:40 hmm. I have seen embryo says: ooops too little data in the logs May 12 14:11:53 Cant understand how it broke Tele2 application then May 12 14:12:02 I can't either May 12 14:12:22 as you can see, it never reaches anything that could lead to a halt in the UI May 12 14:13:22 Some one of you whant to buy a Freerunner + headphones? Location Germany or Denmark. Allmost new May 12 14:13:36 mirko-paroli: could you finally reproduce the bug? (calling, hangup, call with no number in it) May 12 14:13:42 what was then? May 12 14:14:14 khiraly1: no i couldn't and it wouldn't make sense either May 12 14:14:38 I tried May 12 14:14:40 just to make sure May 12 14:14:42 doh! two of us could reproduce it. May 12 14:14:48 I know May 12 14:15:16 you press the button really fast after you quit the call? May 12 14:15:18 call somebody, hit on End call, and hit again on the call. Does not work for you? May 12 14:15:29 dont know if it matters May 12 14:15:32 I'll try May 12 14:16:54 khiraly1: http://pastebin.ca/1420486 May 12 14:17:15 hmm May 12 14:17:22 I'll paste full log May 12 14:17:41 just need to restart the phone, because many paroli windows appeared:-( May 12 14:17:50 (when I hit on the call button May 12 14:17:51 ) May 12 14:17:56 with a number in it May 12 14:18:16 khiraly1: maybe I don't get the error because I did sth to fix it May 12 14:18:19 I am running p from source May 12 14:18:34 im running vanilla om2009 testing May 12 14:19:11 om2009 20090508 May 12 14:19:39 I have the image. I will try it with newer testing image too May 12 14:20:08 http://pastebin.ca/1420488 May 12 14:20:11 I dont wanna that this bug hides...;) May 12 14:21:15 o shit. I accidentally hit the enter pin button (the screen was blank) May 12 14:21:38 I have to check that as well May 12 14:21:47 it should actually ask you 3 times May 12 14:21:52 this is majos usability issue;-\ If you hit anything on the screen when its black, just make the backlight on, and dont register any button hit May 12 14:22:22 khiraly1: i'll quote raster here: patches are welcome May 12 14:22:46 doh May 12 14:22:48 ;) May 12 14:24:17 ok. I need to go to the shop, because it will be close within half an hour May 12 14:24:27 Im playing with the phone when walking May 12 14:24:40 sure, enjoy May 12 14:25:19 but I suspect this bug cause all the troubles what I have. So Im trying to help out May 12 14:25:41 khiraly1: could you move to #paroli to talk about it, easier to read the backlog there with May 12 14:25:55 no other discusson :) May 12 14:26:05 is there a #paroli channel? May 12 14:26:06 sure May 12 14:26:34 rhkfin: you could reproduce too the bug. Do you see in the logs embryo says too little data? May 12 15:07:15 http://www.roundsolutions.com/techdocs/aarlogic/c10/AarLogic-C10-datasheet.pdf May 12 15:07:24 nifty May 12 15:10:10 alot of things have started because of openmoko May 12 15:10:19 :) May 12 15:10:47 telit and subsequently round solutions had open gsm stuff long before I had even heard of openmoko May 12 15:11:20 just nothing put into an object resembling a phone May 12 15:11:21 ndnihil: funny how they call those miserable 2 pages a datasheet. May 12 15:11:23 :-/ May 12 15:11:44 paul: yeah no joke May 12 15:12:02 ive actually got one of telits quad band gsm modules May 12 15:12:12 I was going to use a PSP screen and make a phone May 12 15:12:15 never got around to it May 12 15:12:20 then I stumbled on the moko May 12 15:12:26 ndnihil: But it's absolutely useless as an information source. Even SoC used is not mentioned :-/ May 12 15:12:27 upon it rather May 12 15:13:08 * SpeedEvil stabs 'datasheets' like that. May 12 15:15:23 I'll probably end up sticking the telit module in the car computer May 12 15:15:31 lojack! May 12 15:16:31 speaking of, anyone have a source for 40x1 red on black lcd modules? May 12 15:16:41 40x2 might even fit May 12 15:17:00 damn things are near impossible to find in red on black May 12 15:17:16 but it matches the lcd on the dash cluster, and the lcd on the radio May 12 15:17:35 ahoi May 12 15:17:42 arrr May 12 15:17:57 * ndnihil takes a swig of rum May 12 15:18:13 ndnihil: :) May 12 15:24:20 I've send a file from my nokia to the fr (using SHR unstable with obexftp and obexpush installed) and looks like it has been sent correctly, but I can't find the file in the Neo... :S May 12 15:33:00 Sharwin_F, lol tried the same some time ago and i've lost my files too :D May 12 15:46:32 m0nt0, >.< May 12 15:46:54 m0nt0, and did you arrived to a solution? xD May 12 15:57:43 hows the may 9 unstable shr work? May 12 15:58:57 slaxxer, I've the last one, works well May 12 15:59:49 Sharwin_F, no, it was night May 12 15:59:50 :D May 12 16:05:58 so how to link the maps on sd to tango ,, i cant seem to make that happen May 12 16:06:13 set your maps dir May 12 16:06:20 in tango May 12 16:06:24 errors on me May 12 16:06:30 what error? May 12 16:06:53 as soon as i change to maps May 12 16:09:37 stopped running unexpectedly May 12 16:09:51 hrm May 12 16:09:57 * ndnihil tries May 12 16:13:18 hrm May 12 16:13:23 does the same for me May 12 16:13:36 when I click ok to save new map dir May 12 16:13:40 it exits May 12 16:14:20 *** on_combobox1_changed(): reponame: OSM http://tile.openstreetmap.org/%d/%d/%d.png May 12 16:14:24 Segmentation fault May 12 16:19:08 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r2d04c8ad008d 10/fsonetworkd/ (20 files in 6 dirs): Initial skeleton of fsonetworkd May 12 16:47:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/full-csd-handling * ra9f4779e0749 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/calling.py: May 12 16:47:18 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: CSD handling with external call handler part 2/3 done (outgoing) May 12 16:47:18 freesmartphone.org: Limitation: the state machine does not know about the additional state and will raise an execption, May 12 16:47:18 freesmartphone.org: on everything call handling while the call handler is active. To end a call while the csd handler May 12 16:47:22 freesmartphone.org: is still active, you can only use org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.ReleaseAll() May 12 17:52:25 hello all.. i want to develop one more again on the sms-reader, but i have gui-problems (first expiriences with gtk and python :s ) May 12 17:52:27 http://pastebin.com/m4a7cbf6 May 12 17:53:08 i want to make the label (self.text) in the full width, just a scrollbar should be on the left site of the label May 12 17:53:35 the spacer could be more bottom, also the buttons, to make it compact May 12 17:54:04 i tried with tutorials, no idea, why it doesn't work.. May 12 17:54:04 :s May 12 17:54:12 may someone could help me? May 12 17:56:11 would be great, but i think, the code is terrible now.. i must clean it up, but first, i'm interessted, how it could work May 12 17:56:32 *would be great, if someone had time to help and explain ;) May 12 18:07:15 could no one help me? May 12 18:10:05 sorry, not i :( May 12 18:11:24 :( May 12 18:12:42 possibly you will find more help in an gtk irc/forum May 12 18:34:10 Hello, what are valid instructions to get GPRS working on Om2009 (without paroli)? May 12 18:35:25 Blackhex: the same script that works with FSO... May 12 18:36:07 PaulFertser: so the option 2? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS May 12 18:36:34 Blackhex: no! May 12 18:36:53 ah yes this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO May 12 18:36:57 Blackhex: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO May 12 18:36:59 Yes May 12 18:37:07 PaulFertser: thank you May 12 18:37:31 I just use fso-settings and ~/.fso-settings.conf May 12 18:38:19 Blackhex: you're welcome. Don't forget that calypso has only 4 virtual channels and 3 of that are occupied by FSO (if you have any GSM app started and you must do that to use gprs). So if you add mickeyterm to it you'll be unable to start gprs. So, basically, don't try to use mickeyterm and GPRS at the same time. May 12 18:39:07 ndnihil: I guess your advice is better than mine, i'm of too hardcore type :) May 12 18:39:24 heheh May 12 18:40:24 that's the method listed on the shr tweaks page May 12 18:40:28 and it's pretty convenient May 12 18:40:59 ndnihil: well, if it can be opkg installed from OM repos, nice. May 12 18:41:13 not sure what repo its on May 12 18:41:22 but I dont think its an official one May 12 18:41:52 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Framework-settings May 12 18:42:08 ndnihil: well, it's getting more complicated then. ;) You might as well suggest him to install the full set of SHR apps (including SHR Settings), though i'd do the opposite: installed SHR and git-cloned Paroli. May 12 18:42:11 nope, someone elses May 12 18:44:25 though, scripting something up would be good for DoD type scenarios anyway May 12 18:45:04 hrm, what was that old daemon for that May 12 18:45:07 diald? May 12 18:45:52 wonder if I still have an old slackware install on a drive somewhere, been a while since I've used dialup May 12 19:28:47 i guess somebody is doing something because theres lots of packages being upgraded May 12 19:45:35 yea the shutdown menu works:) May 12 19:51:38 slaxxer: In the latest SHR testing? May 12 19:53:16 fso unstable May 12 19:53:48 opkg upgraded a while ago May 12 19:54:15 instead of a verticle line i get a menu again May 12 19:55:00 no moocow though May 12 19:55:53 i dont have a wifi settings though May 12 19:56:04 no gui May 12 20:02:15 linuxxr: thanks for the info May 12 20:02:30 not much info May 12 20:02:45 i need info May 12 20:03:30 i cant seem to make tango to find my maps on sd May 12 20:04:43 linuxxr: Where did the maps come from? A previous tango install? May 12 20:04:51 yes May 12 20:05:31 I hope the dir structure didn't change meanwhile May 12 20:05:44 should that be a problem? May 12 20:05:46 Can't you just download a map with your new install, look where it went, and move the old maps to that dir structure? May 12 20:06:01 ok ill try that May 12 20:06:03 Well, if it puts maps in a different place, I would expect it wouldn't find them in the old place May 12 20:06:29 Most of our apps aren't quite to the maturity level to take upgrades seamlessly May 12 20:06:42 it should find them where i tell it to find them May 12 20:06:48 true May 12 20:06:50 But... May 12 20:06:58 You're telling it the base of the dir structure May 12 20:07:15 and iirc tango creates nested numbered directories and puts the numbered maps in them May 12 20:07:22 I dunno if it also has meta information May 12 20:07:45 If that numbering scheme changed, you'd be hosed May 12 20:08:07 so delete the maps dir from the sd card/ May 12 20:08:13 ? May 12 20:08:23 start over? May 12 20:08:40 That's the easiest solution May 12 20:08:49 ok May 12 20:08:55 As in, the one that requires the least human effort. And probably the least time May 12 20:09:02 ok May 12 20:14:15 tango wont let me change to /media/card/Maps May 12 20:14:25 errors May 12 20:25:40 linuxxr: weird May 12 20:25:44 Does the directory exist? May 12 20:26:02 linuxxr: iirc a known issue May 12 20:26:04 I mean, I wouldn't expect it to matter May 12 20:26:35 (it crashes when user changes the dir in gui) May 12 20:26:44 dent: With that particular directory? Or just anything outside home... Oh May 12 20:27:00 I never do that :-) May 12 20:27:11 wurp2|working: changing it in gui makes it die May 12 20:27:39 I read on some list it has2do with gconf2 somehow May 12 20:28:09 Removing the option might make sense if it just crashes when you use it :-) May 12 20:28:25 or... not sure, but it was mentioned on a shr mailing list May 12 20:28:40 hmmm, what's the alsa ctl for "very bad feedback" complaint from someone on the other end of the phone? May 12 20:28:49 wurp2|working: fixing it would make sense May 12 20:29:03 dent: well, fixing would be nice May 12 20:29:16 iirc installing some pkg makes it behave ok again May 12 20:29:21 but if it's an issue in gconf2 then the python dev on tango may not really be in a position to fix it May 12 20:29:28 Oh, just a missing dependency May 12 20:29:39 In that case I completely agree with you May 12 20:29:51 (im in bed, ircing from the fr, so Im not searching through the list2find) May 12 20:30:13 dent: Ouch! Typing on the software keyboard? May 12 20:30:46 Blu3: Last time I messed with it it required multiple controls... I assume by feedback you mean echo? May 12 20:30:57 wurp2|working: yup May 12 20:30:59 Or it it squeals, like an amp loop May 12 20:31:09 dent: You're a braver man than I May 12 20:31:26 lol May 12 20:33:32 wurp, i got it, using pymixer, set mic2 to nearly off May 12 20:34:47 ~seen dave May 12 20:34:50 dave was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 26d 18h 53m 35s ago, saying: 'hahaa'. May 12 20:35:02 teh CIA got dave... xD May 12 20:35:10 i start to think that May 12 20:35:11 too May 12 20:35:23 the only stable thing at #openmoko May 12 20:36:24 when are projects going to start to merge, i would like to see a Hybrid Stable Hybrid Release of SHR and Paroli :) May 12 20:36:52 Paroli is fast for phone things May 12 20:37:04 shr is good for build environment and got a comunity May 12 20:37:45 merge shr-settings with paroli settings May 12 20:38:05 even though i'm a bit confused by paroli and tichy May 12 20:45:44 Blu3: Cool, I will remember that May 12 20:45:55 Blu3: I know in dictator mic2 is *completely* off May 12 20:46:07 *nod* May 12 20:59:03 Does anyone know of a good matte screen protector for FR? I'm thinking that plus an icon to switch to 100% brightness + a black background could make it much more readable outdoors. May 12 21:00:38 what's the current state of shr-unstable? May 12 21:01:19 Im using the fr as my main phone, so Im a bit wary of upgrades... May 12 21:02:23 dent: I'm using OM2009 & paroli as my main phone May 12 21:02:27 works good May 12 21:02:35 (as a phone) (or at least OK :) May 12 21:02:45 dent, i'm using -unstable and for 99% of the time it works fine May 12 21:02:46 why dont shr use paroli? May 12 21:03:04 read that as: 500% more reliable than a windows phone May 12 21:03:23 fredrin, why it should? May 12 21:03:25 even if it pisses me off now and then :) May 12 21:03:31 Blu3: suspend works ok? May 12 21:03:37 it so much faster for phone things May 12 21:03:53 99% of the time. the only time i've had problems is when i have gprs up and pidgin is running May 12 21:04:00 fredrin: Well, paroli didn't exist even as a plan when SHR was started May 12 21:04:01 sometimes it causes a kernel oops May 12 21:04:08 fredrin: if interested in Paroli, you're welcome to #paroli to discuss it, too May 12 21:04:18 if pidgin isn't running then it's rock solid w/ suspend & resume May 12 21:04:23 wurp2|working: but now it does :) May 12 21:04:44 rhkfin: mmkay, a own channel May 12 21:04:46 fredrin: Yeah, but none of the SHR folks have used it enough to feel confident in it :-) May 12 21:04:47 Blu3: great, thx May 12 21:05:02 no prob May 12 21:05:04 but a merge should be possible May 12 21:05:31 all in all, gta02 + shr is a usable daily phone with some rough edges May 12 21:05:32 one more thing: I hear abou odd line breaks in typing smses - how bad is it? May 12 21:05:42 blue3 true May 12 21:05:56 fredrin: Right, but you'll have to convince someone in SHR that paroli is better before it will happen May 12 21:06:34 Blu3: I have been on shr for some time, just... investigating befoee upgrade:) May 12 21:06:57 i recommend making a copy of your flash before doing the upgrade May 12 21:07:28 wurp2|working: i guess, but now it's not better, the shr apps for phone things got more features, but like starting to eks merging settings of shr to settngs of paroli May 12 21:07:28 upgrades can be ... painful. opkg is not the sweetest of package managers and a lot of packaging is also transitional May 12 21:07:54 wurp2|working: but it's sooo slow, compared. May 12 21:08:04 fredrin: I mean convince them that the phone app is better May 12 21:08:10 Blu3: I lagged too much, I'll just back up data and reflash May 12 21:08:19 aye May 12 21:08:29 It has contact support, SMS, dialer, incoming call id, stability, speed, works on FSO? May 12 21:08:37 my phone kneels when starting the mesg app and playing the sound at the same time May 12 21:09:13 dent: mwester was suggesting tar xzaf , then rsync -a to the flash card May 12 21:09:24 which should be faster and less card wear May 12 21:10:04 wurp2|working: interesting May 12 21:11:17 intrestring paroli noise:) May 12 21:11:23 I managed to lose a 4gb uSD card recently btw :-/ those things are too small:) May 12 21:11:41 great marketing May 12 21:12:03 linuxxr: eh? May 12 21:12:17 those micro sd cards May 12 21:12:22 dent: Just always keep them in SD adapters. They seem to be dirt cheap May 12 21:12:53 At least, often it's the same price for me to get a micro with SD adapter as it is to get just the micro May 12 21:29:53 yea paroli May 12 23:06:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r773aa0b005a8 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: May 12 23:06:59 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: kernel26: check whether the battery is actually present before evaluating the capacity May 12 23:06:59 freesmartphone.org: This should fix the infamous shutdown when you use a GTA01 battery in GTA02. May 12 23:15:28 hi all. is anyone here still using a GTA01? May 12 23:20:29 yes :) May 12 23:44:25 sure May 12 23:44:38 (not me though ;) May 12 23:44:48 * SpeedEvil only has GTA01. May 12 23:45:03 Thogh I'm not using it much ATM - way too much boring stuff to do. May 12 23:45:16 hi SpeedEvil :-) May 12 23:45:23 hi May 12 23:45:53 how's baloon business (or am I wrong?) May 12 23:46:06 not that May 12 23:46:29 I'm currently involved in attempting to get my house/garden in a sane state before going on with other projects May 12 23:46:59 but baloon being one of those, no? May 12 23:47:14 http://www.mauve.plus.com/garden.jpg - about 500m^2 of weeding. Got about 5 of those big 1000l builders bags full of assorted rubbish May 12 23:47:16 no May 12 23:47:38 that's a fun project, not a boring one. May 12 23:47:51 And then insulating my house and installing/manufacturing new windows May 12 23:47:53 it's one of yours anyway May 12 23:50:06 a few days ago some school classes pupils made it to German news with a baloon with transmitter that reached 50.000m May 12 23:50:18 I really doubt it May 12 23:50:25 50000ft, maybe May 12 23:50:37 maybe translation error May 12 23:50:45 50Km is basically horribly complex to get to with balloons May 12 23:50:52 30-35Km is 'easy' May 12 23:50:54 I was buffled as well May 12 23:51:29 Easy as in buy a weather balloon, fill it with helium at about 100g lift more than your payload, and launch. May 12 23:52:00 recovering the payload is the more tricky bit May 12 23:52:28 involving GPS, hunting the grounded payload, weather prediction of upper atmosphere winds, ... May 12 23:53:00 And as a last backup a 'if found, please phone xxxx for reward' in big letters on the side May 12 23:54:39 http://www.ukhas.org.uk/ May 12 23:54:55 (website of uk balloon projects) May 13 00:02:20 * Weiss wonders.. SpeedEvil isn't from Cambridge by any chance? May 13 00:02:52 yes May 13 00:02:58 * SpeedEvil isn't from cambridge. May 13 00:03:15 * SpeedEvil is from Fife, Scotland. May 13 00:03:36 s/from/in/ perhaps May 13 00:04:05 but not on the Cam openmoko mailing list? May 13 00:04:12 http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=56.216811,-3.112156&spn=0.000541,0.001727&t=h&z=19 to be exact May 13 00:04:54 limited budget, and even if I could use the car, cam is out of range May 13 00:05:33 ah, yes you're *not* in Cam May 13 00:05:43 i wondered because i know there's quite a lot of high altitude stuff here May 13 00:05:56 never mind :) May 13 00:06:59 yeah - most of that group is clustered round there. May 13 00:07:12 You're aware of #highaltitude - if interested? May 13 00:08:14 yep.. probably don't have time, though May 13 00:08:25 :) May 13 00:08:49 at least at the moment May 13 00:56:52 openmoko: 03werner * r4976 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core.lib k4m51323pe.lib pcf50633-04-n3.lib): May 13 00:56:52 openmoko: The latest updates from Dave Ball : May 13 00:56:52 openmoko: pcf50633-04-n3.lib: May 13 00:56:52 openmoko: - changed LEDFBGND from passive to power output May 13 00:56:52 openmoko: k4m51323pe.lib: May 13 00:56:53 openmoko: - changed DQx from BiDi to 3-state May 13 00:56:55 openmoko: - removed the NC pins **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 13 02:59:57 2009