**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 25 02:59:57 2009
May 25 04:43:56 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5039 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Added varistor to compilation and expanded view.
May 25 04:59:34 <slaxxer> yea settings in shr-unstable works again
May 25 07:23:40 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5040 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 
May 25 07:23:40 <CIA-53> openmoko: Renamed AAT1275 to AAT1275IRN. That's the 16-pin variant. There's also
May 25 07:23:40 <CIA-53> openmoko: a 12-pin variant of the AAT1275, called AAT1275ITP.
May 25 07:39:06 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5041 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
May 25 07:39:06 <CIA-53> openmoko: Renamed RT9013 to RT9013_B because there's a different package with different
May 25 07:39:06 <CIA-53> openmoko: pin numbering.
May 25 07:46:56 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5042 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 
May 25 07:46:56 <CIA-53> openmoko: Renamed rt9701a to rt9701, because the symbol is the same for rt9701 and
May 25 07:46:56 <CIA-53> openmoko: rt9701a.
May 25 07:46:56 <CIA-53> openmoko: Also made mkloe return a non-zero exit code if a file doesn't exist.
May 25 07:58:26 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5043 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
May 25 07:58:26 <CIA-53> openmoko: Renamed wm8753l to wm8753lgefl because there's also a BGA package with
May 25 07:58:26 <CIA-53> openmoko: completely different pinout.
May 25 08:47:16 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 25 08:51:32 <jc1> Hopscotch: moin.
May 25 09:05:01 <jonkristian> http://img22.exs.cx/img22/9162/pictureframe.gif
May 25 09:15:40 <Daramarak> I just installed the kernel uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.bin and qi, and now I have problems with the RNDIS driver (Device cannot start) is this a known problem, or an regression to #1279
May 25 09:16:51 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5044 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/INFO: 
May 25 09:16:51 <CIA-53> openmoko: Machine-readable mapping between components names, data sheets, and
May 25 09:16:51 <CIA-53> openmoko: related information. In progress.
May 25 11:37:04 <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/148117 hmm - leeetle bluetooth keyb
May 25 11:37:59 <SpeedEvil> oh - I thought this was a remake of the credit card one - my bad
May 25 11:56:12 <Daramarak> I just installed the kernel uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.bin and qi, and now I have problems with the RNDIS driver (Device cannot start) is this a known problem, or an regression to #1279?
May 25 11:56:39 <Weiss> SpeedEvil: looks good though
May 25 11:57:03 <Weiss> Daramarak: muppet check: did you install the modules to your rootfs first?
May 25 11:58:10 <Daramarak> I installed the rootfs first, I got some problems with the kernel image. So installed this later.
May 25 11:59:36 <Daramarak> Or maybe it was vice versa, I am not 100% sure.
May 25 12:02:50 <Daramarak> Weiss: isn't it enough to just install the rootfs and startup? Do I have to install something else?
May 25 12:03:14 <Weiss> well, the kernel modules (in /lib/modules) must match your kernel uImage, otherwise stuff will break
May 25 12:03:40 <Weiss> but i think i remember some people talking about an RNDIS breakage the other day.. i wasn't paying much attention
May 25 12:04:13 <Daramarak> Ok, I got the kernel and the rootfs from the same ftp folder so I think they should be ok.
May 25 12:04:53 <Weiss> yep, that should work
May 25 12:05:44 <Daramarak> Is there any way to check if they match?
May 25 12:10:11 <Weiss> what folders do you have under /lib/modules?
May 25 12:13:52 <Daramarak> just a moment (at work)...
May 25 12:13:55 <badcloud> haha, DON'T PANIC in new shr kernel
May 25 12:14:13 <badcloud> I wouldn't have chosen screaming red for that
May 25 12:14:31 <badcloud> I tend to panic when I see bright big red letters, no matter what they say
May 25 12:14:53 <SpeedEvil> gotta be relaxing yellow
May 25 12:15:00 <badcloud> or green
May 25 12:15:25 <SpeedEvil> hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
May 25 12:15:32 <badcloud> haha
May 25 12:15:34 <badcloud> totally
May 25 12:15:39 <Daramarak> Weiss: 2.6.29-rc2
May 25 12:15:40 <SpeedEvil> the guide had 'Don't panic' in yellow, in a relaxing font on the front cover
May 25 12:16:05 <SpeedEvil> That would be cool.
May 25 12:16:08 <SpeedEvil> 'MokoGuide'
May 25 12:16:15 <SpeedEvil> One entry 'Earth - mostly harmless'
May 25 12:16:19 <Tanuva> the neo IS the guide
May 25 12:17:46 <Daramarak> Weiss: same as my uname -r
May 25 12:18:58 <Weiss> hmm, i was hoping that the folder was labelled with the git revision, but it seems not..
May 25 12:19:19 <Weiss> but if you downloaded the two at the same time (uImage and rootfs), it should be fine..
May 25 12:19:46 <Tanuva> damn, what had I done about the missing libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0 in intone?
May 25 12:20:12 <Tanuva> that used to work until I accidentally killed my om2k9 this morning *g+
May 25 12:20:54 <Daramarak> If there is a rndis problem other will notice to i guess. Ill just have to wait and see.
May 25 12:37:27 <jonkristian> Can somebody point me in the direction of the auto login script, xserver-nodm , or share, im currently on debian and can't find it.
May 25 13:29:35 <badcloud> something's screwy with the shr profile setttings
May 25 13:29:47 <badcloud> looks a bit disorganized
May 25 14:55:51 <thrashold> Hello. When using fso framework from GIT with default configuration, constant reregistering to the network (bug 1024) shouldn't exist, right? And if I'm experiencing something similar, it is either due to my network, wrong GSM network indicatior in GUI, or misconfiguration or fsck up on my part?
May 25 14:57:05 <SpeedEvil> Have you tried standing on your head, while singing the Marseillaise ?
May 25 14:57:24 <SpeedEvil> sorry - no serious answer.
May 25 14:57:41 <badcloud> ~1 hour in suspend using the new unstable shr--->33% bat capacity
May 25 14:58:40 <thrashold> badcloud: Could be an indicator issue. I experienced this in Debian when I enabled hald. And switching E's indicator not to use hald fixed it for me.
May 25 14:59:02 <badcloud> how do I do that, thrashold?
May 25 15:00:22 <thrashold> Of course, if there is no hald in shr, this is not the issue (I don't see why it would need hald)
May 25 15:00:28 <thrashold> Well, in e settings
May 25 15:01:21 <thrashold> Advanced -> Battery Metter -> Expert (I'm not sure how they're called, I'm using localized version)
May 25 15:01:57 <badcloud> HAL, right?
May 25 15:02:07 <badcloud> so I just switch to 'internal'?
May 25 15:02:13 <thrashold> Try this
May 25 15:02:56 <thrashold> If it doesn't work, try switching to HAL, and if this doesn't work, switch to auto-detect -- the issue is probably somewhere else.
May 25 15:04:52 <badcloud> ok
May 25 15:04:55 <badcloud> thanks
May 25 15:06:06 <PBeck> hi
May 25 15:09:29 <badcloud> there's a bat statuds bug: http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/475
May 25 15:09:35 <badcloud> *status
May 25 15:16:17 <thrashold> Did switching hal stuff fix it for you? I want to know if I stumbled on the same bug in Debian?
May 25 15:26:37 <badcloud> I switched to HAL and it switched right back to auto
May 25 15:28:08 <thrashold> Yes, it does this, but switching to internal fixed it for me (even though the option says auto now)
May 25 15:28:52 <badcloud> well I remember switching to internal and it didn't change
May 25 15:28:59 <badcloud> the bat status bar fluctuates
May 25 15:29:10 <badcloud> between correct and incorrect bat capacity
May 25 15:29:46 <badcloud> so HAL?
May 25 15:30:21 <badcloud> I think switching to internal prevented auto-sus
May 25 15:31:40 <thrashold> I dunno. HAL probably. :)
May 25 15:31:45 <thrashold> If SHR has this
May 25 15:32:17 <badcloud> it does
May 25 15:32:23 <badcloud> but I switched back to auto
May 25 15:36:45 <thrashold> Strange, I just switched to hal and the indicator went to 0%, I switched to internal and it went to 86%. I waited and it went to 28%. And now when I switch to internal it goes to 86%, when I switch to hal it goes to 28%.
May 25 15:36:45 <badcloud> ok, now suspend won't work
May 25 15:36:56 <badcloud> regardless of hal/internal/auto
May 25 15:43:19 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, no issues here with testing-04-16
May 25 15:43:44 <badcloud> yeah, I decided to take a walk on the wild side ;)
May 25 15:44:39 <badcloud> latest unstable
May 25 15:55:41 <slaxxer> yea settings works now:)
May 25 15:57:02 <slaxxer> either battery charge is not working correctly or something
May 25 15:57:46 <TAsn> slaxxer, are you talking about shr bug #475 ?
May 25 15:57:48 <slaxxer> charged all night on usb but didnt show a full charge
May 25 15:58:06 <slaxxer> just saying what i see
May 25 15:59:20 <Weiss> PaulFertser knows exactly what's going on with the HAL/battery problem
May 25 15:59:57 <Weiss> there appears to be an additional problem where the Illume config switch for it doesn't stick, which is just annoying
May 25 16:00:20 <Weiss> not convinced it has anything in the slightest to do with suspend/resume though
May 25 16:00:33 <Weiss> what has changed to get HAL pulled into SHR?
May 25 16:03:39 <slaxxer> well     i just started having this problem with shr-current  
May 25 16:03:44 <slaxxer>    unstable
May 25 16:04:47 <Weiss> X.org will pull in HAL with the default recipe in OE (at least, for the one i looked at), but it's only actually needed depending on the config of X. i don't think we currently have any need for it
May 25 16:05:15 <Weiss> but SHR hasn't just been upgraded to X.org as far as i know...?
May 25 16:05:36 <slaxxer> ok
May 25 16:06:10 <slaxxer> so how to charge me battery:)
May 25 16:06:30 <slaxxer> seems to be on slow charge
May 25 16:06:44 <Weiss> it should work fine, even though the indication is wrong, as i understand it
May 25 16:06:47 <slaxxer> charged about 1/2 overnight
May 25 16:06:54 <slaxxer> ok
May 25 16:06:55 <slaxxer> ic
May 25 16:07:05 <slaxxer> thanks
May 25 16:07:16 <Weiss> the indicator thing is entirely userspace, unless something weird is also going on (which isn't impossible i guess)
May 25 16:15:40 <saracen> buzz fix rework email!
May 25 16:17:45 <alphaone> saracen: ?
May 25 16:30:19 <Zorkman> saracen?
May 25 16:35:30 <saracen> handheld-linux.com where I got my freerunner from, I can send it back to them for rework (I have to pay postage and package, but get a free battery too)
May 25 17:00:25 <ST1> hi all :)
May 25 17:02:07 <ST1> <ST1> hi everyone :)
May 25 17:02:07 <ST1> <ST1> i'm coming back to see if anyone would have a solution for my little problem ...
May 25 17:02:07 <ST1> <ST1> as i asked yesterday, i'm using a GTA02 phone and use the last version of FSO
May 25 17:02:07 <ST1> <ST1> i created a little program, that request the gsm resource
May 25 17:02:07 <ST1> <ST1> until here , everything's ok :)
May 25 17:02:07 <ST1> <ST1> but when i want to submit my pin code , an error raise
May 25 17:02:09 <ST1> <ST1> it says : SIM FAILURE...
May 25 17:02:13 <ST1> <ST1> i know that it doesn't come from the gsm modem or anything else since, it works well with SHR
May 25 17:02:15 <ST1> <ST1> (although since i upgrade to MOKO11 i have no sound anymore when i'm making a call... let's see that later)
May 25 17:02:18 <ST1> <ST1> so ,if someone know what i missed in order to be able to use my sim card normally, i would be very happy ! :) thanks !
May 25 17:04:01 <ST1> hi speedevill
May 25 17:04:53 <SpeedEvil1> hi.
May 25 17:05:00 * SpeedEvil1 stabs non-persistant networks.
May 25 17:14:29 <panicking> alphaone, are you there
May 25 17:14:29 <panicking> ?
May 25 17:14:57 <alphaone> panicking: yes
May 25 17:15:10 <alphaone> panicking: Sorry, I didn't send the email yet :-(
May 25 17:15:51 <panicking> I sent for you
May 25 17:16:04 <panicking> by the way
May 25 17:16:13 <panicking> I have some issue with the accerometer
May 25 17:16:22 <panicking> They are design to cunsume cputime?
May 25 17:16:41 <alphaone> thanks
May 25 17:16:46 <panicking> alphaone, I don't know why the interrupt are disabled during the transfer
May 25 17:16:52 <panicking> I create an android driver
May 25 17:17:12 <panicking> for use them and I understand that it has only two sample_rate
May 25 17:17:16 <panicking> 100ms and 400ms
May 25 17:17:20 <alphaone> Hmm, I think that was some strange stuff wrt timing and bitbanging the communication
May 25 17:17:46 <panicking> So why not bitbang on a schedule_work
May 25 17:17:59 <panicking> and force a transaction on an interupt
May 25 17:18:07 <alphaone> Andy had problems with timing for the data
May 25 17:18:13 <alphaone> Was really important iirc
May 25 17:18:18 <alphaone> werner might know more
May 25 17:18:33 <panicking> is werner here?
May 25 17:18:55 <alphaone> no, but in -cdelvel
May 25 17:27:50 <panicking> alphaone, I must go, well I take a look at the history of the driver maybe I find somenthing.
May 25 17:28:24 <panicking> alphaone, I have some new version of android on the freeunner :)
May 25 17:28:48 <alphaone> heh, okay
May 25 17:29:08 <alphaone> Well, I personally am interested in GNU/Linux and not Android/Linux
May 25 17:29:23 <alphaone> But I guess choice is good
May 25 17:29:27 <jonkristian> anybody else getting Unknown boot option 'g_ether.host_addr=XX:XX:XX' i get around three lines when booting, using Qi, everything works, i am just curious:)
May 25 17:29:30 <panicking> alphaone, I include accelerometer and now I want to write somenthing for the graphics
May 25 17:30:34 <alphaone> panicking: Okay, have fun :-)
May 25 17:35:19 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5045 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/fa2012.lib gta02-core.pro): Add lowpass filter FA2012
May 25 17:35:27 <DocScrutinizer> panicking: Are you talking about gmeter interrupts (/G1_INT)? I don't think we need these to transfer data from/to gmeters. Gmeters are interfaced via standard SPI
May 25 17:38:35 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5046 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/rt9711_bd_5.lib gta02-core.pro): Add power switch RT9711 (RT9711BPB)
May 25 17:59:33 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5047 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/dct123.lib gta02-core.pro): Add transistor with resistors DCT123 (DCT123JETL)
May 25 18:02:01 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5048 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (dct123.lib dtc123.lib): Fix DTC123 name (was DCT123)
May 25 18:07:43 <ST1> Does someone can check that ?
May 25 18:07:50 <ST1> it's part of fso log ...
May 25 18:08:06 <ST1> if someone can explain me why i get an error 13 : AT+CLCK
May 25 18:08:13 <ST1> http://pastebin.com/d66d06784
May 25 18:08:54 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5049 10/trunk/gta02-core/gta02-core.pro: Fix DTC123 name (was DCT123)
May 25 18:16:35 <ST1> my sourcecode : http://pastebin.com/d59bbe1f6
May 25 18:17:16 <Bert_2> Hi, I can't seem to install pythm anymore on the latest shr-unstable image, although it's in the repo apparently
May 25 18:17:18 <Bert_2> help ?
May 25 18:19:06 <Bert_2> I'm starting to have the feeling it wasn't in Packages.gz
May 25 18:22:02 <ST1> Nobody to help me neither ?
May 25 18:23:22 <Bert_2> ST1: what's your problem ?
May 25 18:23:27 <Bert_2> perhaps I can help
May 25 18:24:04 <skamster> hello peobles.. does someone know, if there is a fso-fake for the normal computer?
May 25 18:24:17 <skamster> to test all the things with a good ide?
May 25 18:24:38 <Bert_2> there's some info about QEMU on the openmoko.org wiki
May 25 18:24:48 <Bert_2> I guess you can run FSO on the qemu stuff
May 25 18:24:51 <Bert_2> but I'm not sure
May 25 18:24:54 <ST1> Bert_2: When i ask if the sim needs a simcode, it crashed with a SIM Failure error :(
May 25 18:25:12 <ST1> Bert_2: http://pastebin.com/d66d06784
May 25 18:25:19 <skamster> mmh, but qemu is a "virtual-maschine", not? 
May 25 18:25:39 <skamster> i used it on the desktop-pc to develop without a shell..
May 25 18:26:05 <skamster> i want to use eclipse or something like
May 25 18:26:40 <Bert_2> skamster: most stuff is made for the openmoko HW specifically and can't really be run on a normal PC
May 25 18:26:54 <Bert_2> you could chroot into an environment of course
May 25 18:27:27 <skamster> yeah, i also think so.. but i asked me, if there is a dbus-faker with the same paths as fso
May 25 18:27:32 <Bert_2> ST1: on what distro is your phone running
May 25 18:27:33 <skamster> and some fake-sms
May 25 18:27:38 <skamster> as example
May 25 18:27:45 <Bert_2> skamster: don't now of any, sorry
May 25 18:27:49 <Bert_2> *know
May 25 18:27:50 <skamster> and dbus is everywhere the samething ;)
May 25 18:27:58 <skamster> *same thing
May 25 18:28:05 <Bert_2> well, not exactly
May 25 18:28:20 <Bert_2> android and QTextended don't use FSO dbus stuff
May 25 18:28:24 <skamster> mmh, mostly.. 
May 25 18:28:36 <Bert_2> and I'm not sure what debian and FYP are using
May 25 18:28:38 <skamster> yeah, right.. but that's not the problem of dbus.. 
May 25 18:28:43 <Bert_2> k
May 25 18:28:56 <ST1> Bert_2: FSO m5.1
May 25 18:29:13 <Bert_2> ST1: and this is the debug of a normal boot
May 25 18:29:24 <skamster> without fso, there aren't just the paths of fso, but dbus works like on the desktop-pcs.. or am i wrong?
May 25 18:29:27 <Bert_2> so your GSM stuff crashes when SIM request wants to come up
May 25 18:29:58 <ST1> yes it's that
May 25 18:30:06 <Bert_2> skamster: I'm not sure, I guess you'd better ask this kind of stuff to lindi- he probably knows or one of his contacts do
May 25 18:30:21 <Bert_2> (but he's not active ATM, perhaps in a few min/hours)
May 25 18:30:46 <Bert_2> ST1: I'd suggest you check whether there isn't a bug open somewhere, and make sure you have updated 
May 25 18:31:24 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r0bfe960c2ddb 10alsa-scenario/ (.gitignore autogen.sh): build system: more sanitizing
May 25 18:31:28 <ST1> Bert_2 : But, SHR is also using FSO or am i wrong ?
May 25 18:31:49 <Bert_2> ST1: yes, they're using FSO, but there are quite specific differences
May 25 18:32:00 <Bert_2> ST1: and I personally favor SHR
May 25 18:32:11 <Bert_2> and for the ease of use I removed my SIM PIN
May 25 18:32:54 <ST1> Bert_2 : that what i thought to do at last...
May 25 18:33:46 <Bert_2> well, it's easy, I don't need a PIN, I never knew I could remove it
May 25 18:33:57 <Bert_2> the easiest way to remove your pin is with QTExtended
May 25 18:34:02 <Bert_2> there's info on the openmoko wiki
May 25 18:34:07 <Bert_2> I just put it on an SD card
May 25 18:34:12 <Bert_2> removed my SIM 
May 25 18:34:19 <Bert_2> and went on using FSO at first and later on SHR
May 25 18:34:23 <Bert_2> (I love SHR)
May 25 18:35:25 <ST1> You removed your sim card entirely ?
May 25 18:35:53 <ST1> or just the sim code ?
May 25 18:36:03 <Bert_2> no, the SIM PIN code
May 25 18:36:10 <ST1> right :)
May 25 18:36:12 <Bert_2> you still need the pin to call of course
May 25 18:36:19 <Bert_2> bur you never have to enter a pin code
May 25 18:36:22 <Bert_2> which saves time
May 25 18:36:25 <Bert_2> and debugging :p
May 25 18:36:30 <ST1> yes lol
May 25 18:36:40 <ST1> what i was thinking , is why do we need a sim card ?
May 25 18:36:50 <ST1> i mean, it's just to send a kind of authenticate code
May 25 18:36:55 <ST1> to our provider right ?
May 25 18:36:58 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 25 18:37:09 <Bert_2> the SIM card contains details (numbers, ids) to connect to the GSM network
May 25 18:37:12 <SpeedEvil> and more importantly, it's so your provider can prove who you are
May 25 18:37:21 <SpeedEvil> you can't fake or copy the SIM card
May 25 18:37:31 <SpeedEvil> this is important otherwise bad stuff can happen
May 25 18:37:33 <Bert_2> SpeedEvil: well, you can but it's not useful
May 25 18:37:48 <ST1> so if we save these information in an sdcard and use it without a sim card ?
May 25 18:37:49 <Bert_2> and it also stores phone numbers and text messages
May 25 18:37:59 <SpeedEvil> you can't copy a SIM card in a manner where it will connect to the network
May 25 18:38:02 <Bert_2> ST1: nope, you will always need a SIM
May 25 18:38:09 <SpeedEvil> ST1: the SIM contains information you can't get at
May 25 18:38:17 <Bert_2> You can copy it but it will not be useful
May 25 18:38:19 <SpeedEvil> ST1: secret numbers, and a crypto processor
May 25 18:38:26 <ST1> ST1: Oh... ok i didn't know
May 25 18:38:39 <ST1> shit
May 25 18:38:40 <ST1> lol
May 25 18:38:51 <ST1> SpeedEvil: Oh.... ok i didn't know
May 25 18:39:22 <SpeedEvil> The phone company sends a string - which varies every time - the SIM encrypts that with the secret it holds, and sends it back to the company.
May 25 18:40:05 <SpeedEvil> this proves both that it's you, and allows it to look up what your number should be, based on your secret
May 25 18:40:27 <Bert_2> like most online banking things do
May 25 18:40:42 <ST1> thanks !!
May 25 18:41:06 <ST1> and what about the sms things ... is it the provider that add our telephone number inside , or the phone itself ?
May 25 18:41:42 <SpeedEvil> SMS is a hack
May 25 18:41:51 <SpeedEvil> it's basically globbed on usiing spare capacity
May 25 18:41:56 <SpeedEvil> it's not even encrypted
May 25 18:42:19 <Bert_2> yeah, SMS is also transmitted over the GSM call control signal (originally)
May 25 18:42:56 <SpeedEvil> originally?
May 25 18:43:05 <SpeedEvil> you mean it's changed?
May 25 18:45:06 <Bert_2> SpeedEvil: I'm not sure
May 25 18:45:18 <Bert_2> do they still do it on the control signal
May 25 18:45:29 <Bert_2> I guessed they would have changed it because it would get overcrowded
May 25 18:46:12 <trigger_> I can't find a repository for Om 2008.12 an the wiki, is there one?
May 25 18:50:35 <slaxxer> use bytestores modified 2008.12
May 25 18:50:45 <slaxxer> bytestore
May 25 18:51:13 <ST1> SpeedEvil : but who add the telephone number that we retrieve when we receive an sms ?
May 25 18:51:30 <SpeedEvil> you mean the sender number?
May 25 18:51:35 <ST1> In another way : is it possible to transmit a false number in an sms  ?
May 25 18:51:36 <ST1> :D
May 25 18:51:37 <ST1> yes
May 25 18:51:51 <SpeedEvil> the sending phone company sends the number of the phone along with the SMS
May 25 18:52:11 <SpeedEvil> it's then passed along assorted networks, till it comes out of your local phone tower addressed to your phone
May 25 18:52:17 <trigger_> slaxxer: thanks
May 25 18:53:21 <slaxxer> cant seem to locate it
May 25 18:53:59 <ST1> SpeedEvil : Shit can't hack it so .. :p
May 25 18:54:56 <trigger_> slaxxer: me neither
May 25 18:55:09 <trigger_> is 2008.8 more stable?
May 25 18:55:30 <slaxxer> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_29th,_2008
May 25 18:55:41 <slaxxer> shr is the  stuff
May 25 18:56:31 <slaxxer> at the bottom of the distributions paragraph    on that page
May 25 18:57:56 <slaxxer> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/January_12th,_2009
May 25 18:57:58 <slaxxer> thewre
May 25 18:58:04 <slaxxer> -w
May 25 18:58:50 <slaxxer> bottom of the "Distributions
May 25 18:58:56 <slaxxer> "
May 25 19:00:04 <trigger_> everything is in russian, I'm confused :/=
May 25 19:00:25 <slaxxer> no
May 25 19:01:08 <slaxxer> that image has some russian phone #'s on also  by default
May 25 19:01:59 <slaxxer> it has a russian and english keyboard    and the keyboard is black with white letters:))
May 25 19:02:18 <slaxxer> that is easier on the eyes
May 25 19:02:40 <slaxxer> one on my favorite images
May 25 19:03:04 <slaxxer> shr -unstable is what i would use though
May 25 19:04:02 <slaxxer> also   it worked an was loaded with software  ,, some of which didnt work
May 25 19:04:08 <trigger_> I just got my freerunner and just want something to get me started
May 25 19:04:22 <slaxxer> whats on it now
May 25 19:04:54 <trigger_> Om 2008.12
May 25 19:06:40 <slaxxer> did u flash that on there/  have u flashed any images?
May 25 19:06:56 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r0c6c8644ca0c 10alsa-scenario/ (.gitignore configure.ac configure.in): yet more build system cleaning
May 25 19:07:13 <trigger_> yes, just did so
May 25 19:07:48 <slaxxer> u may want to put shr on
May 25 19:07:49 <DocScrutinizer> trigger_: try people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-testing
May 25 19:08:11 <slaxxer> 04162009   is the one
May 25 19:08:25 <DocScrutinizer> that's it 
May 25 19:09:03 <DocScrutinizer> kinda "just works"
May 25 19:09:23 <slaxxer> but the latest unstable is good also
May 25 19:09:24 <|if3_> ERM
May 25 19:09:26 <|if3_> oops caps
May 25 19:10:01 <|if3_> i don't have wifi here, how can i get some libs from the repos? is there a seperate repo for the base software?
May 25 19:11:00 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r54fde6a87053 10alsa-scenario/configure.ac: fix AC_INIT
May 25 19:13:09 <trigger_> DocScrutinizer: thanks :)
May 25 19:14:52 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf160907c9d12 10/libfsoframework/ (fsoframework/fsoframework-2.0.vapi vapi/libascenario.vapi): fsoframework: libascenario: add [NoArrayLength] to list()
May 25 19:15:35 <|if3> p.s. I wrote a dope script for nix to set up usb networking, anyone want the source?
May 25 19:15:42 * |if3 states that it's just bash scripts :P
May 25 19:17:54 <|if3> also, call me a tool, but what WM does the neo run? something would be nice so that I can figure out how to configure it's appearance (y)
May 25 19:19:07 <SpeedEvil> depends on distro
May 25 19:19:15 <SpeedEvil> I've used fvwm95 on it. 
May 25 19:19:18 <SpeedEvil> (though remotely)
May 25 19:19:28 <|if3> SpeedEvil, what distro would you recommend to use?
May 25 19:19:34 <SpeedEvil> dunno
May 25 19:19:38 <SpeedEvil> shr is popular
May 25 19:19:47 <|if3> I still would like to have txting / calling ability :P
May 25 19:21:11 <|if3> excuse my ignorance btw lol. im new to mobile devices :o
May 25 19:21:45 <|if3> :o
May 25 19:21:48 <|if3> im liking shr
May 25 19:22:42 <slaxxer> some of the others are faster
May 25 19:23:33 <slaxxer> neovento was cool an fast except it was very-too large
May 25 19:23:44 <|if3> lol wow
May 25 19:24:12 <slaxxer> fso-paroli is fast to
May 25 19:24:14 <|if3> OH, here's a question that I have wanted to ask: How do i find out what image I have on my freerunner? I assume /proc is of no use?
May 25 19:26:12 <slaxxer> which one did u install?
May 25 19:26:49 <slaxxer> shr i guess   loloolo   lo l o o l o  ol loololo  
May 25 19:27:11 <slaxxer> |if3> :o
May 25 19:27:11 <slaxxer> <|if3> im liking shr
May 25 19:27:58 <|if3> naw
May 25 19:28:01 <|if3> im on the wiki
May 25 19:28:08 <|if3> im just using the barebones atm
May 25 19:28:23 <slaxxer> 200905231429
May 25 19:28:33 <slaxxer> /etc/version
May 25 19:28:45 <|if3> and for what ever reason, my FR isn't connecting to my wifi *even when im sitting next to the AP*
May 25 19:28:46 <slaxxer> the time even
May 25 19:28:57 <slaxxer> did ya reboot
May 25 19:29:20 <|if3> hrm?
May 25 19:29:40 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * rb9a240f31216 10alsa-scenario/libascenario.pc.in: 
May 25 19:29:40 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: .pc file: add -lasound; FIXME: Should gather this at configure time, since
May 25 19:29:40 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: we can also link to libsalsa
May 25 19:29:44 <slaxxer> have u rebooted atleast 1 time since u installed?
May 25 19:29:59 <slaxxer> a must do
May 25 19:30:38 <|if3> i haven't installed anything bud
May 25 19:31:21 <|if3> I tried installing vala-terminal, but I was missing some libs, which I couldn't get from the repo's *wifi not working, and there wasn't shit in the ftp/http repos*
May 25 19:31:30 <slaxxer> so it came with shr bud
May 25 19:31:45 <|if3> lol, not that I know of
May 25 19:31:48 <|if3> just 'neoos'
May 25 19:31:54 <slaxxer> so whats on it?
May 25 19:32:16 <|if3> just the barebones
May 25 19:32:16 <badcloud> anyone know how to skip to a contact by selecting a letter from the keyboard (i.e. typing 'd' and getting to 'Daniel') in shr?
May 25 19:32:35 <|if3> black background, 5 icons.
May 25 19:33:03 <slaxxer> do u see a dark shoreline on the desktop background?
May 25 19:33:18 <|if3> nope
May 25 19:33:22 <|if3> no wallpaper
May 25 19:33:56 <|if3> slaxxer, http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/0/04/Homescreen.jpg
May 25 19:34:32 <slaxxer> if i were u i would download shr an install it
May 25 19:34:46 <|if3> im just reading the wiki
May 25 19:34:46 <badcloud> no one know what I'm talking about?
May 25 19:34:48 <|if3> shr looks hot
May 25 19:35:11 <slaxxer> so       do these commands    
May 25 19:35:58 <|if3> slaxxer, pm?
May 25 19:36:11 <slaxxer> dfu-util -a kernel -R -D  whateverfilesystemudownload
May 25 19:36:33 <DocScrutinizer> badcloud: missing feature
May 25 19:36:52 <badcloud> has a request been made?
May 25 19:36:59 <DocScrutinizer> dunno
May 25 19:37:02 <slaxxer> for the .bin kernel
May 25 19:37:09 <badcloud> I'll add it
May 25 19:37:18 <badcloud> later
May 25 19:38:11 <DocScrutinizer> |if3: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-testing/
May 25 19:38:19 <|if3> tyvm
May 25 19:41:25 <|if3> im just installing neotool
May 25 19:42:24 <DocScrutinizer> dfu-util -a rootfs  -R -D ~/Documents/OpenMoko/images/shr_testing/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090416-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
May 25 19:42:42 <DocScrutinizer> dfu-util -a kernel  -R -D ~/Documents/OpenMoko/images/shr_testing/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
May 25 19:43:24 <|if3> ty
May 25 19:43:37 <DocScrutinizer> |if3: actually using neotool is more stress in the beginning than using plain dfu-util
May 25 19:44:05 <|if3> lol alright, I'll take your word
May 25 19:44:41 <|if3> let me install dfu-util
May 25 19:46:01 <|if3> thanks man btw
May 25 19:46:24 <|if3> DocScrutinizer, are those the only two things I need to do to get SHR on my freerunner? error free?
May 25 19:46:37 <|if3> do I need to mess with filesystems or config files?
May 25 19:46:41 <DocScrutinizer> yup
May 25 19:46:56 <DocScrutinizer> easy, isn't it? ;-)
May 25 19:47:03 <|if3> sadly :o
May 25 19:47:25 <|if3> I need to go get a bigger sdhc card
May 25 19:47:27 <DocScrutinizer> bb
May 25 19:47:31 <DocScrutinizer> bbl
May 25 19:47:31 <|if3> only came with a 512
May 25 19:47:35 <|if3> DocScrutinizer, props
May 25 19:57:13 <trigger_> I got one big and one small SD-card with my freerunner, but i can't find a place for the big one xD
May 25 19:58:10 <|if3> lmao
May 25 20:03:06 <trigger_> the sim cards are not in the Getting started faq either, weird :/
May 25 20:03:59 <Weiss> trigger_: you mean one small one and a small->big adaptor?
May 25 20:04:23 <Weiss> you put the small one in the adaptor, then put the whole package in a standard SD card reader like e.g. the one on my laptop
May 25 20:05:02 <trigger_> oh god, I feel so stupid xD
May 25 20:05:08 <trigger_> didn't realise ^^
May 25 20:05:48 <spaetz> hehe
May 25 20:05:49 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 25 20:06:35 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb158eca1bc69 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala: fsodevice: alsa_audio: honor loop parameter in sound playback
May 25 20:18:46 <|if3> DocScrutinizer, you there?
May 25 20:31:11 <slaxxer> u flashed shr yet?
May 25 20:33:11 <slaxxer> ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D filetoflash for me
May 25 20:41:08 <|if3> slaxxer, im just flashing the rootfs
May 25 20:41:30 <slaxxer> already did the kernel?
May 25 20:41:56 <|if3> nope
May 25 20:42:06 <slaxxer> i guess u know to reboot after the first install//
May 25 20:42:06 <|if3> doing the rootfs first
May 25 20:42:22 <|if3> i assume using the menu
May 25 20:43:03 <|if3> i really shouldn't be doing this through xorg
May 25 20:43:12 <slaxxer> just so usb networking will work
May 25 20:43:23 <|if3> ??
May 25 20:43:54 <slaxxer> what?
May 25 20:44:09 <slaxxer> what are u doing through aorg?
May 25 20:44:13 <|if3> just so usb networkign will work?
May 25 20:44:16 <slaxxer> x*
May 25 20:44:16 <|if3> flashing rootfs
May 25 20:45:50 <|if3> xorg bugs out on me sometimes
May 25 20:45:59 <slaxxer> well if it works   great
May 25 20:46:05 <|if3> (y)
May 25 20:46:06 <|if3> erm
May 25 20:46:12 <|if3> you know what XORG is, eh?
May 25 20:46:19 <slaxxer> yup
May 25 20:46:34 <|if3> kk
May 25 20:46:43 <slaxxer> xorg.conf?
May 25 20:46:45 <|if3> im using dfu-util, but through a terminal window in fluxbox
May 25 20:47:27 <slaxxer> well im using a terminal window through kde
May 25 20:47:44 <slaxxer> konsole
May 25 20:48:11 <slaxxer> on my big fat desktop
May 25 20:48:18 <|if3> lol
May 25 20:48:21 <|if3> (y)
May 25 20:48:32 <|if3> xorg fucks up on me like, once or twice a month
May 25 20:48:48 <slaxxer> me to
May 25 20:49:01 <slaxxer>   reboot once a month"(
May 25 20:49:29 <|if3> it's unfortunate :(
May 25 20:49:31 <|if3> it just locks up
May 25 20:49:35 <|if3> i've tried a bunch of things
May 25 20:49:44 <slaxxer> so i take it u use debian?
May 25 20:49:52 <|if3> considered chroot jailing Xorg, but i decided against it
May 25 20:49:56 <|if3> nope, archlinux
May 25 20:50:12 <|if3> i thought that xorg crashing was a debian specific crash, so I switched os's
May 25 20:50:20 <|if3> i like arch a whole fuckload better
May 25 20:50:41 <|if3> twas a wise choice
May 25 20:53:24 <slaxxer> alot like slackware
May 25 20:55:37 <|if3> very much so
May 25 20:55:56 <|if3> I've only used two live versions of slack though
May 25 20:56:14 <|if3> BackTrack and I forgot the other one
May 25 20:56:27 <|if3> oh, slacks *
May 25 20:56:36 <|if3> same with gentoo, never used it except for some live cd version of it
May 25 20:56:43 <|if3> I love arch for my desktop
May 25 20:56:46 <|if3> so fucking fast
May 25 20:56:52 <slaxxer> :)
May 25 20:57:07 <|if3> dude, im running a 1.3ghz duron, 384 megs of pc100, and the standards of everything else
May 25 20:57:13 <slaxxer> u need to try slack12.2
May 25 20:57:15 <|if3> and it runs everything amazingly
May 25 20:57:29 <|if3> lmao someones opening my webservers cdrom drive
May 25 20:57:36 <|if3> xsnidalx.host-a.net/webcam.php
May 25 20:57:44 <|if3> http://xsnidalx.host-a.net/webcam.php
May 25 20:58:09 <|if3> lol slaxxer
May 25 20:58:13 <|if3> I see yo ip addy
May 25 20:58:14 <|if3> lol
May 25 20:58:34 <|if3> wait a sec, takes some time for the OS to recognize that it's open
May 25 20:58:37 <|if3> hit it
May 25 20:59:37 <|if3> lol
May 25 21:01:07 <|if3> lmfao two peeps on my webcam opening thing
May 25 21:01:16 <|if3> SPAM!
May 25 21:01:16 <|if3> lol
May 25 21:01:18 <|if3> check this out
May 25 21:01:19 <|if3> who has vnc>
May 25 21:01:21 <trigger_> it is I!
May 25 21:01:22 <|if3> who has vnc? *
May 25 21:01:32 <lindi-> |if3: i do.
May 25 21:01:49 <|if3> lol
May 25 21:01:57 <|if3> connect to lif3l355.dyndns.org
May 25 21:02:02 <|if3> i have a fucking sick layout
May 25 21:02:50 <|if3> slaxxer, k done flashing, how should I reboot this bitch?
May 25 21:03:33 <|if3> lol someone with a mac is opening my cdrom drive
May 25 21:03:47 <|if3> now  a german with nix :o
May 25 21:03:50 <|if3> oh noes
May 25 21:03:51 <slaxxer> werent u using the nor or nand menu?
May 25 21:03:57 <|if3> yes
May 25 21:03:59 <|if3> nor
May 25 21:04:12 <slaxxer> is the screen black?
May 25 21:04:13 <|if3> it went into suspend. lol
May 25 21:04:18 <|if3> yeah
May 25 21:04:29 <|if3> slaxxer, it was the nor menu
May 25 21:04:41 <slaxxer>  take the batt out then if it wont power up
May 25 21:04:48 <|if3> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Menu15.jpg
May 25 21:05:06 <|if3> powering upppp
May 25 21:05:11 * |if3 hopes for no kernel panic!
May 25 21:05:21 <|if3> archlinux fucked me over a few times lmao
May 25 21:05:24 <slaxxer> did u flash the kernel?
May 25 21:05:32 <|if3> i installed via cd, then tried to upgrade
May 25 21:05:34 <|if3> slaxxer, yep
May 25 21:06:03 <slaxxer> only thing left is uboot
May 25 21:06:12 <|if3> says uboot is fine
May 25 21:06:19 <|if3> I rather not flash the bootloader
May 25 21:06:21 <|if3> :o
May 25 21:06:22 <slaxxer> u may or may not need
May 25 21:06:38 <|if3> what's the difference between uboot and qi?
May 25 21:06:55 <slaxxer> uboot works with suspend
May 25 21:07:13 <slaxxer> no nand menu with qi
May 25 21:07:32 <|if3> why wouldn't qi have the nand menu?
May 25 21:07:38 <|if3> so qi just boots into nor? :o
May 25 21:07:40 <slaxxer> what for?
May 25 21:08:00 <slaxxer> no
May 25 21:08:12 <slaxxer> qi boots to kernel
May 25 21:08:25 <|if3> what's the difference between qi and uboot though?
May 25 21:08:26 <|if3> haha
May 25 21:08:30 <|if3> I love enlightenment
May 25 21:08:31 <|if3> sorta :O
May 25 21:08:33 <|if3> :P
May 25 21:08:42 <slaxxer> be sure to reboot 
May 25 21:09:20 <|if3> when? after configuring the 'profile'?
May 25 21:09:21 <slaxxer> after the phone signel strength meter works
May 25 21:09:36 <|if3> illume or illume shr?
May 25 21:09:38 <slaxxer>    after u play a little
May 25 21:09:49 <slaxxer> u pick
May 25 21:10:12 <|if3> i don't notice a difference atm
May 25 21:10:15 <slaxxer>    programs menu selection is useless
May 25 21:10:21 * |if3 wikis
May 25 21:11:17 <slaxxer> shr had a small black battery indicator where shr   has the green battery
May 25 21:11:46 <|if3> kk
May 25 21:12:11 <|if3> htop?
May 25 21:12:24 <slaxxer> just skip that menu
May 25 21:12:27 <TAsn> slaxxer, same app different theme.
May 25 21:12:28 <TAsn> night.
May 25 21:12:44 <slaxxer> good an u?
May 25 21:15:13 <|if3> haha so fucking hot
May 25 21:15:17 <|if3> im editing the fucking theme!
May 25 21:15:26 <|if3> woot
May 25 21:16:25 <slaxxer> make a tutorial on changing the theme
May 25 21:16:31 <|if3> lol will do
May 25 21:16:43 <|if3> im sure it's just in ~/.enlightenment or w.e.
May 25 21:16:52 <|if3> im a huge fluxbox fan :o
May 25 21:17:01 <|if3> that would be interesting :|
May 25 21:17:15 <|if3> :D
May 25 21:37:56 <fredrin> what happend @ openmoko today? 
May 25 21:38:04 <fredrin> ~seen dave 
May 25 21:38:07 <apt> dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 39d 19h 56m 52s ago, saying: 'hahaa'.
May 25 21:40:17 <|if3> dudes
May 25 21:42:24 <|if3> how do i make shr not boot in root?
May 25 21:43:50 <mwester> begin by following the instructions to set up a build env. for SHR, then make the necessary modifications to create a user id of your choice, start the correct services under that ID, then troubleshoot and patch all the security and permissions issue that will arise.
May 25 21:44:24 <mwester> Of course, an analysis of exactly what additional security would be gained by such a simplistic approach would be good, too.
May 25 21:44:31 <fredrin> root is a state of mind 
May 25 21:44:37 <|if3> lmao
May 25 21:56:59 <|if3> mwester, which rc.* dir is the WM shit found in?
May 25 21:57:41 <mwester> You're not seriously going to try that, are you?
May 25 21:57:55 <|if3> well idk, help?
May 25 21:58:18 <|if3> I don't have my WM start up automatically, I always log in before starting it on my arch box, could you help?
May 25 21:58:52 <mwester> You'll have to search the startup sequence to find the details, but usually the wm startup is rc.5
May 25 21:59:13 <|if3> mwester, thank you, that's what I wanted to know
May 25 21:59:18 <mwester> Before you waste a lot of time, perhaps you should search the SHR mailing list archives, to find the discussions on this topic.
May 25 21:59:41 <mwester> There are a lot of reasons why it has not been done yet, and why it is questionable what value you would get from doing it.
May 25 21:59:57 <|if3> okay
May 25 22:00:23 <mwester> Not to say it's a bad thing, just that it would require a lot of design work, and redesign of parts of the core code handling the services, which was not written with security in mind.
May 25 22:00:30 <|if3> I much rather not run as root 24/7, as you're probably well aware
May 25 22:00:46 <mwester> Sure, on a desktop that's bad.
May 25 22:00:51 <mwester> On a phone, though?
May 25 22:00:57 <mwester> What's the problem?
May 25 22:01:08 <|if3> im more concerned about my 500$ phone, not my free desktop. lol
May 25 22:01:26 <|if3> mwester, I just don't want to run apps such as midori as root, etc
May 25 22:01:36 <mwester> why not?
May 25 22:02:03 <mwester> what makes you think any part of the muxer or the telephony stack through which the data will flow will be secure?
May 25 22:02:14 <mwester> That's the fundamental problem.
May 25 22:02:43 <|if3> how so?
May 25 22:03:00 <SpeedEvil> vpn
May 25 22:03:13 <mwester> How so??  Perhaps I mistake your intent.  You are concerned about security, no?
May 25 22:03:18 <mwester> Or is there some other aspect of this?
May 25 22:03:55 <mwester> Why would midori be a concern, if you have not taken care to authenticate or protect other means of gaining access to the device?
May 25 22:05:39 <|if3> mwester, that could be said about everything, regardless of how secure it is. Someone could always get access to the device, I just don't want to happen to run across a webby that can exploit something in the, say, gecko engine
May 25 22:06:02 <|if3> the gecko engine.*
May 25 22:06:16 <|if3> or have the ability to run terminal as root
May 25 22:08:25 <|if3> mwester, understood, thanks :)
May 25 22:08:28 <mwester> The device is built with a message-passing framework; messages to control the device and its operation can be sent in many ways.  In my opinion, taking over the "gecko engine" is not nearly as concerning as someone finding a way to send a message or a data stream to the device that causes something in the framework to send a message to dial a long-distance call to Hong Kong.
May 25 22:09:15 <mwester> Please don't delude yourself that midori is the only gaping security issue on the device!  And the problem really is that user id is insufficient to address the framework issues.
May 25 22:09:16 <|if3> lol exactly
May 25 22:10:32 <|if3> mwester, ofcourse midori isn't, every app has potential to be exploited due to vulnerabilities. I much rather 'secure' as many apps as possible (with apps that can be controlled remotely; a priority), in hopes that they're still able to run.
May 25 22:11:28 <slaxxer> i noticed slackware on the supported distros list,,, any ideas   how to install this?
May 25 22:12:43 <|if3> slaxxer, install what?
May 25 22:12:50 <|if3> ohh, on your freerunner?
May 25 23:39:22 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5050 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 
May 25 23:39:22 <CIA-53> openmoko: Updated compilation, expanded view, and ancillary information files for
May 25 23:39:22 <CIA-53> openmoko: new components.
May 26 00:51:05 <trigger_> My wifi seems to struggle, is there some better resource than the wiki?
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