**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 01 02:59:57 2009
Jun 01 03:15:56 <linuxxr> http://pastebin.com/m5bd29007
Jun 01 03:16:15 <linuxxr> oemerge gives a little
Jun 01 03:20:56 <linuxxr> can ya feel the SHRness
Jun 01 03:57:22 <mwester> opkg upgrade is still not supported.
Jun 01 03:57:52 <mwester> Need to wait until a release for that, and even then only from the release repo, not from unstable or oemerge.
Jun 01 04:03:53 <doc|work> why's that? (if you don't mind me asking)
Jun 01 04:19:21 <mwester> too difficult to make sure that all the dependencies, "replaces", "replaced-by" fields are set corrrectly -- much time would be spent on testing upgrades instead of developing.
Jun 01 04:20:53 <lindi-> debian has piuparts that can do that helps in testing such stuff
Jun 01 04:21:08 <lindi->  s/that can do //
Jun 01 04:21:11 <mwester> I'm sure that there are a vast number of tools that can _help_.
Jun 01 04:21:25 <mwester> The problem is that all of them require a person to do at least _something_
Jun 01 04:21:50 <mwester> And up to now, there is nobody who has stepped up to say that they would be willing to be in charge of such a thing.
Jun 01 04:22:47 <Blu3> how are the developers updating things?
Jun 01 04:23:41 <mwester> the devs are doing it primarily by hand (i.e. a specific package gets updated which they are working on, thus they know what dependencies it has, and what can be forced or ignored).
Jun 01 04:23:53 <mwester> And lots of reflashes as well.
Jun 01 04:24:58 <Blu3> how are we supposed to update things in between releases?  like ophonekitd for example, which is quite crashy
Jun 01 04:26:40 <mwester> anyway that works for you...  okg upgrade is not supported -- but that doesn't mean that upgrading a single package may not work, or even that opkg upgrade may not sometimes work.  Just that the devs have not spent any time at all to ensure that it DOES work all the time.
Jun 01 04:27:06 <Blu3> i thought that was already an established given :)
Jun 01 04:27:23 <mwester> Ok.  then we're on the same page with all that.
Jun 01 04:27:32 <Blu3> ok
Jun 01 04:34:23 <doc|work> mwester: thanks for the answer
Jun 01 04:34:58 <doc|work> does the alarm not work on shr-oemerge?
Jun 01 04:41:06 <Blu3> last i recall, alarm broke several weeks back
Jun 01 05:04:53 <doc|work> Blu3: ok, thanks, good thing I wasn't relying on it :)
Jun 01 06:50:47 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen 07gsmd2 * rc16883a079ae 10/src/sim.c: 
Jun 01 06:50:47 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Fixed typo in error message.
Jun 01 06:50:47 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Thanks to David Ford for the patch.
Jun 01 08:35:30 <rhkfin> Anyone here using a recent SHR and having problems with it not loading all contacts from SIM?
Jun 01 08:38:41 * rhkfin is told the channel's very quiet. Why's that? Everyone 110% happy with the phone? No-one developing anything? People bored with the current state of the distros?
Jun 01 08:39:00 <Blu3> no, i haven't seen this
Jun 01 08:39:09 <rhkfin> Blu3: about how many contacts you have?
Jun 01 08:39:18 <Blu3> ~40
Jun 01 08:39:43 <rhkfin> I have 200-250 on OM2009 and some of them fail to load -> trying to find out if it's FSO..
Jun 01 08:40:35 <Blu3> set your framework log level to debug and restart it, let things settle down, then run tail -f on the logfile when you open up contacts
Jun 01 08:42:16 <rhkfin> Having people like Cap_J_L_Picard daMaestro max_posedon Sup3rkiddo transylvania Zorkman SpeedEvil should keep the channel busy, I'm sure none of them's bored but ready for new adventures :)
Jun 01 08:42:25 <rhkfin> Blu3: not a bad idea - how do I do it..?
Jun 01 08:42:58 <Blu3> edit your /etc/frameworkd.conf file
Jun 01 08:43:05 <Blu3> change the loglevel to DEBUG
Jun 01 08:43:20 <rhkfin> ok, great
Jun 01 08:43:22 <Blu3>  /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart
Jun 01 08:43:31 <Blu3> tail -f /var/log/frameworkd
Jun 01 08:43:35 <vegyraupe> rhkfin: that is default on om2009
Jun 01 08:43:39 <Blu3> wait a few minutes for things to settle
Jun 01 08:43:43 <max_posedon> rhkfin, in first which shr you use
Jun 01 08:43:50 <rhkfin> vegyraupe: ah, ok.. Blu3 yes, I'm using OM2009 
Jun 01 08:44:17 <rhkfin> (just thinking if someone has the same with SHR -> then it'd be FSO problem. If not, then maybe Paroli )
Jun 01 08:44:37 <rhkfin> vegyraupe: and I guess we haven't seen anything in the log..?
Jun 01 08:44:54 <vegyraupe> nope the framework simply doesn't deliver all the contacts
Jun 01 08:44:55 <max_posedon> second, try find'out contact list via mdbus command
Jun 01 08:45:07 <vegyraupe> at least that is what I thougth to have seen
Jun 01 08:45:32 <rhkfin> max_posedon: how do I do it..?
Jun 01 08:47:01 <Blu3> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrievePhonebook 'contacts' > backupfile
Jun 01 08:47:25 <Blu3> how do you know it isn't delivering them?
Jun 01 08:47:44 <vegyraupe> Blu3: because the numbers don't add up
Jun 01 08:47:47 <vegyraupe> we ahve both logs
Jun 01 08:48:01 <vegyraupe> paroli logs the number of contacts received
Jun 01 08:48:12 <vegyraupe> the framework log is less communicative
Jun 01 08:49:26 <rhkfin> vegyraupe: actually I think it now loaded them all: I got 151 contacts
Jun 01 08:49:43 <rhkfin> I'll see what paroli.log tells me how many it was able to load
Jun 01 08:50:14 <rhkfin> vegyraupe: 76 from the SIM -> about half..
Jun 01 08:51:09 <max_posedon> rhkfin, so this is paroli bug, I suggest ask mirko, when he will be avaible
Jun 01 08:53:34 <vegyraupe> max_posedon: how do you know that it is paroli?
Jun 01 08:53:44 <max_posedon> vegyraupe, easy
Jun 01 08:53:54 <max_posedon> paroli works in top of framework
Jun 01 08:54:08 <rhkfin> max_posedon: let me tell you a funny thing, vegyraupe is mirko :)
Jun 01 08:54:09 <max_posedon> if mdbus commands returns correct
Jun 01 08:54:15 <max_posedon> wow)
Jun 01 08:54:18 <rhkfin>  /whois vegyraupe 
Jun 01 08:54:21 <rhkfin> :)
Jun 01 08:54:36 <vegyraupe> max_posedon: that is a weak test
Jun 01 08:54:44 <max_posedon> yes, but still...
Jun 01 08:54:49 <vegyraupe> if you use mdbus you can suspend resume and occupy resources and it works
Jun 01 08:54:57 <vegyraupe> if you do it in reallife oeventsd crashes
Jun 01 08:55:13 <vegyraupe> so yes, in the lab it works
Jun 01 08:55:32 <vegyraupe> but maybe not on a running system in the heat of the moment
Jun 01 08:55:44 <vegyraupe> rhkfin: tell you what I'll fill up one of my sims
Jun 01 08:55:50 <vegyraupe> and see if I get all contacts
Jun 01 08:55:52 <rhkfin> vegyraupe: great
Jun 01 08:56:12 <rhkfin> vegyraupe: I suppose you create a script to do it for you :) 
Jun 01 08:56:12 <vegyraupe> can you post the 2 logs again or point me there again ?
Jun 01 08:56:19 <vegyraupe> hehe
Jun 01 08:56:25 <vegyraupe> I won't type 500 that is correct ;)
Jun 01 08:56:30 <rhkfin> vegyraupe: yes I will
Jun 01 08:56:33 <vegyraupe> I'll use my indian sim
Jun 01 08:56:41 <vegyraupe> that should be the biggest I have
Jun 01 08:56:45 <vegyraupe> ie smartest
Jun 01 08:56:48 <rhkfin> ok :)
Jun 01 09:10:13 <methril> morning
Jun 01 09:11:31 <Blu3> mornin
Jun 01 10:56:54 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r4c075c8f1d8b 10fso-monitord/Makefile.am: Fix vala flags
Jun 01 10:56:55 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r7088e5559edd 10fso-monitord/Makefile.am: Add debug flag to valac
Jun 01 12:48:31 <badcloud> is there any other distro that's matched or at least come close to shr in terms of battery life?
Jun 01 12:48:49 <PaulFertser> badcloud: om2009 should be the same
Jun 01 12:49:07 <badcloud> thanks
Jun 01 12:49:35 <badcloud> why is it that debian/h1/2008.12 are so far behind?
Jun 01 12:50:20 <badcloud> and in terms of software (packages), om2009 and shr are basically alike, right?
Jun 01 12:51:32 <lindi-> badcloud: how are they behind?
Jun 01 12:52:25 <badcloud> well, from my usage, I could only get through half a day using om'08 without having to recharge
Jun 01 12:52:44 <badcloud> h1 has given me 6 hours on suspend alone
Jun 01 12:53:10 <badcloud> while shr seems like it could go for two days
Jun 01 12:53:15 <PaulFertser> badcloud: Debian should be the same as SHR in terms of battery usage.
Jun 01 12:53:54 <badcloud> does that include h1, Paul?
Jun 01 12:54:02 <lindi-> badcloud: what's the consumption?
Jun 01 12:54:19 <badcloud> lindi- didn't quite understand the question
Jun 01 12:54:47 <lindi-> badcloud: how many watts does it consume?
Jun 01 12:55:19 <badcloud> I'll have to reboot to h1 to tell you that, but how do I find that out while it's under suspend?
Jun 01 12:55:49 <lindi-> badcloud: you read it immediately after resume
Jun 01 12:56:43 <badcloud> in dmesg?
Jun 01 12:56:47 <PaulFertser> badcloud: if they use the same kernel and the same modem setting, it should be the same.
Jun 01 12:57:03 <badcloud> same kernel, no
Jun 01 12:57:57 <badcloud> I'll try the oemerge kernel in h1
Jun 01 12:58:41 <PaulFertser> badcloud: what kernel do they use by default?
Jun 01 13:01:10 <badcloud> how do I find out about modem settings?
Jun 01 13:01:57 <PaulFertser> badcloud: by reading the logs
Jun 01 13:03:47 <badcloud> ok
Jun 01 13:08:33 <badcloud> how easy is switching kernels under say, debian or h1?
Jun 01 13:09:04 <badcloud> would swapping the uImage(/.bin) do the trick?
Jun 01 13:10:03 <badcloud> I'm a bit wary of this 'config-2.6.24-20081103.git7172ec57' file in the same directory as the kernel
Jun 01 13:12:46 <PaulFertser> badcloud: you'll need image and corresponding modules.
Jun 01 13:14:58 <badcloud> that's way past my head
Jun 01 13:18:13 <badcloud> Paul, I think h1 uses the 2.6.24-20081103 kernel
Jun 01 13:18:35 <badcloud> haven't found anything relevant via google
Jun 01 13:18:57 <badcloud> suspend seems to work fine
Jun 01 13:19:11 <badcloud> no wakeups apart from incoming sms and calls
Jun 01 13:19:30 <badcloud> so I'm quite confused
Jun 01 13:19:38 <badcloud> not to mention sticking with shr for the time being
Jun 01 13:21:04 <Bert_2> badcloud: are you using the latest version of shr-unstable, fully updated and upgraded ?
Jun 01 13:22:27 <badcloud> shr oemerge, latest I think
Jun 01 13:22:32 <badcloud> I have h1 on usd
Jun 01 13:22:51 <Bert_2> badcloud: oemerge ?
Jun 01 13:22:53 <Bert_2> what's that ?
Jun 01 13:23:32 <badcloud> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-oemerge/
Jun 01 13:23:39 <badcloud> I'm really not the one to ask though
Jun 01 13:24:08 <Bert_2> so you have no idea what the differences between unstable, testing and oemerge is
Jun 01 13:24:27 <Bert_2> wow, oemerge has newer images than unstable and testing
Jun 01 13:24:47 <Bert_2> does anyone know what the difference is between shr-oemerge, shr-unstable and shr-testing ???
Jun 01 13:25:03 <badcloud> oemerge from what I understood is more upstream than unstable
Jun 01 13:25:19 <badcloud> testing if I were to sport a guess, is not being developed anymore
Jun 01 13:25:20 <Bert_2> unstable hasn't had updates since some time
Jun 01 13:25:26 <Bert_2> and audio is broken on it partely
Jun 01 13:25:48 <badcloud> unstable and oemerge will merge soon (I think Doc mentioned that to me)
Jun 01 13:26:03 <Bert_2> so I'd better upgrade to oemerge
Jun 01 13:26:08 <Bert_2> say, how stable is it badcloud ?
Jun 01 13:26:36 <badcloud> so far no complaints
Jun 01 13:26:50 <Bert_2> awesome
Jun 01 13:26:55 <Bert_2> no audio issues ?
Jun 01 13:26:59 <badcloud> no
Jun 01 13:27:11 <badcloud> but once, auto-sus shut off after I disconnected usb
Jun 01 13:27:14 <Bert_2> suspends after x seconds ?
Jun 01 13:27:17 <badcloud> works
Jun 01 13:27:22 <Bert_2> perfect
Jun 01 13:27:36 * Bert_2 is download shr-uemerge image files
Jun 01 13:27:40 <Bert_2> *downloading
Jun 01 13:29:17 <Bert_2> owyeah, does it take long before it has fully connected to the gsm network ?
Jun 01 13:30:13 <badcloud> haven't clocked it
Jun 01 13:30:20 <badcloud> seems the same as unstable/testing
Jun 01 13:30:23 <Bert_2> okey
Jun 01 13:30:30 <badcloud> but resume seems to be slighhhhtly faster
Jun 01 13:30:31 <Bert_2> as long as it doesn't get slower I'm fine with it
Jun 01 13:30:43 <Bert_2> resume time was already quite good
Jun 01 13:31:15 <Bert_2> have they already implemented a notification system for missed calls and text messages ?
Jun 01 13:32:23 <badcloud> they integrated the package 'notifier'
Jun 01 13:32:28 <Bert_2> cool
Jun 01 13:32:31 <Bert_2> and does it work well ?
Jun 01 13:32:50 <badcloud> so if you ever feel like falling back onto, testing or unstable, look for it in opkg.org
Jun 01 13:32:54 <badcloud> I think it works great
Jun 01 13:33:34 <Bert_2> the latest image in unstable dates from the 23th of May and audio is partely broken in it
Jun 01 13:33:40 <Bert_2> so I'm not seeing me go back to it
Jun 01 13:34:08 <badcloud> testing April 14th works fine
Jun 01 13:34:21 <dns53> notifier works ok for me
Jun 01 13:34:30 <badcloud> just ok, dns53?
Jun 01 13:35:25 <dns53> it's a simple app, it does not need to do a lot
Jun 01 13:35:28 <Bert_2> badcloud: testing from anything before may works fine in unstable
Jun 01 13:35:38 <Bert_2> I have the images here somewhere
Jun 01 13:35:53 <Bert_2> but I like to keep track of the latest stuff and report bugs if needed
Jun 01 13:36:15 <badcloud> that's good
Jun 01 13:36:34 <badcloud> I adopted the same approach recently
Jun 01 13:37:13 <Bert_2> I have been doing it quite a long time
Jun 01 13:37:34 <Bert_2> the only thing that I still ahve to do is start to understand how to post bug reports on the trac stuff
Jun 01 13:37:38 <badcloud> I've been phased by bugs
Jun 01 13:37:47 <Bert_2> I usually just tell people about my bugs here
Jun 01 13:39:04 <Bert_2> I even have automated scripts for doing things like adding swap and installing my favorite software
Jun 01 13:39:32 <badcloud> me too. comes in handy after flashing a new image
Jun 01 13:39:49 <Bert_2> badcloud: yeah, I'm using SD cards for now
Jun 01 13:40:02 <Bert_2> I have FSOm5 on the NAND
Jun 01 13:40:11 <Bert_2> so I can use my phone in case of emergency
Jun 01 13:41:07 <badcloud> well, I'm gonna get some fresh air
Jun 01 13:41:20 <dns53> how is fso compared to shr?
Jun 01 13:41:39 <Bert_2> dns53: last time I checked, FSO still needed zhone, and zhone is evil
Jun 01 13:41:42 <Bert_2> but it works
Jun 01 13:42:43 <dns53> the satelite display in zhone is cool but that's the only bit i liked
Jun 01 13:43:50 <Bert_2> dns53: the satelite stuff is also in the shr settings manager in a similar way
Jun 01 13:44:06 <dns53> similar but not the same
Jun 01 13:44:39 <Bert_2> I see
Jun 01 13:44:46 <Bert_2> oooo, new boot image
Jun 01 14:00:47 <badcloud> I prefered the "don't panic" one
Jun 01 14:00:56 <badcloud> but it's nice too
Jun 01 14:01:04 <Bert_2> the don't panic one was nice
Jun 01 14:01:14 <Bert_2> but the new one makes it feel more ready to ship
Jun 01 14:01:25 <Bert_2> (although it's not near RTR)
Jun 01 14:01:31 <badcloud> true, true
Jun 01 14:01:31 <Bert_2> *R2R
Jun 01 14:01:45 <trigger_> what's the new logo?
Jun 01 14:01:54 <badcloud> a big white "SHR"
Jun 01 14:01:58 <badcloud> shiney
Jun 01 14:02:15 <Bert_2> oooh, new version of mokomaze :D
Jun 01 14:02:36 <Bert_2> too bad they deleted the windows logos :p
Jun 01 14:10:31 <Bert_2> okey, I already broke things apparently :s
Jun 01 14:10:39 <badcloud> how?
Jun 01 14:10:57 <Bert_2> installing my usual software stuff
Jun 01 14:11:07 <Bert_2> but I'm not sure whether there isn't anything controversial in it
Jun 01 14:11:12 <badcloud> did illume seg fault?
Jun 01 14:11:17 <badcloud> just recover, that's nothing
Jun 01 14:11:27 <Bert_2> booting error
Jun 01 14:11:29 <Bert_2> broken libs
Jun 01 14:11:31 <badcloud> oh
Jun 01 14:11:34 <badcloud> ouch
Jun 01 14:11:39 <Bert_2> I'm gonna reflash
Jun 01 14:11:52 <Bert_2> and install new software manually this time
Jun 01 14:13:14 <Bert_2> perhaps my SD card has finally died :P
Jun 01 14:36:26 <DocScrutinizer> (big white SHR) want my "DON'T PANIC" back ;-)
Jun 01 14:36:33 <Bert_2> lol :P
Jun 01 14:36:48 <Bert_2> I'm already happy my audio when calling works again
Jun 01 14:37:44 <Zorkman> no lonbger don't panic?
Jun 01 14:38:16 <DocScrutinizer> even speakerphone works kinda humm... bearable here
Jun 01 14:39:15 <DocScrutinizer> Zorkman: opkg install splashtheme-dontpanic didn't exactly work for me (on uSD)
Jun 01 14:40:03 <Bert_2> DocScrutinizer: before my move from shr-unstable to shr-oemerge I had no sound when calling
Jun 01 14:40:09 <Zorkman> my fr hasn't arrived back at my place, so they still have a day or two to fix it ;-)
Jun 01 14:40:35 <DocScrutinizer> Zorkman: dos1 is considering a gui for splashscreens
Jun 01 14:41:09 <DocScrutinizer> bernt: strange
Jun 01 14:41:26 <DocScrutinizer> probably wrong ststefile
Jun 01 14:41:41 <DocScrutinizer> or fso framework issue
Jun 01 14:41:47 <Zorkman> isn't he also working on a gui for wifi and bt? :)
Jun 01 14:42:26 <Zorkman> we need to ship some pills over to dos1 to keep him going :D
Jun 01 14:42:40 <Bert_2> GUI for WiFi and BT would be awesome
Jun 01 14:42:45 * SpeedEvil has some spare laxatives.
Jun 01 14:42:55 <Bert_2> we could also send him more coffee
Jun 01 14:48:01 <bernt> DocScrutinizer: ?
Jun 01 14:49:06 <DocScrutinizer> huh
Jun 01 14:49:21 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Jun 01 14:49:46 <bernt> what do you find strange?
Jun 01 14:50:42 <DocScrutinizer> oh, sorry tab-mishap
Jun 01 14:51:06 <DocScrutinizer> was addressed to Bert_2 
Jun 01 14:51:44 <Bert_2> I'm getting confused
Jun 01 14:52:04 <trigger_> hmm, it seems oemerge is the new unstable? :P
Jun 01 14:52:15 <Bert_2> yeah, apparently
Jun 01 14:52:44 <trigger_> haven't really followed, but i choose unstable becouse i thought it was the latest/kind of most stable, is that no longer the case?
Jun 01 14:52:52 <trigger_> do i need to reflash for oemerge?
Jun 01 14:52:59 <linuxxr> yes:)
Jun 01 14:53:16 <Bert_2> I had audio issues with unstable
Jun 01 14:53:20 <Bert_2> oemerge works better for me
Jun 01 14:53:28 <trigger_> Bert_2: I have that too :)
Jun 01 14:53:40 <linuxxr> i have it for 2 days
Jun 01 14:53:49 <Bert_2> me 2
Jun 01 14:53:57 <Bert_2> people can't hear you when calling
Jun 01 14:54:01 <Bert_2> and you can't hear them either
Jun 01 14:54:08 <linuxxr> bert2   no phone sound but all else works?
Jun 01 14:54:10 <trigger_> yep
Jun 01 14:54:10 <Bert_2> oemerge works for me
Jun 01 14:54:17 <Bert_2> linuxxr: yes
Jun 01 14:54:23 <linuxxr> theres a workaround
Jun 01 14:59:14 <Bert_2> say, where is dos1 from ?
Jun 01 14:59:48 <max_posedon> Poland
Jun 01 15:00:01 <Bert_2> I didn't know we had devs in Poland
Jun 01 15:00:06 <Bert_2> I heard internet sucks there
Jun 01 15:00:41 <d1b> Bert_2: where are you / to say that ^^ ?
Jun 01 15:01:28 <Bert_2> d1b: Belgium, internet sucks here too
Jun 01 15:01:58 <d1b> Bert_2: oh really?
Jun 01 15:02:12 <d1b> i thought you in the eu had mad routing tho
Jun 01 15:08:35 <Bert_2> I had a server splitt...
Jun 01 15:18:46 <DocScrutinizer> internet weather is worldwide, tho there's local climate avrg 
Jun 01 15:20:27 <DocScrutinizer> and there's no place in this galaxy that doesn't see nasty weather now and then ;-)
Jun 01 15:20:56 <trigger_> underground? ;)
Jun 01 15:23:24 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, this has to be darknet then. even there you see the storms and lightning
Jun 01 15:23:55 <linuxxr> DarkStar
Jun 01 15:24:35 <fredrin> Internet in Uruguay sucks
Jun 01 15:24:57 <linuxxr> iwanna see an SHR 01 today
Jun 01 15:25:19 <linuxxr> or SR
Jun 01 15:25:48 <Bert_2> Say, is there a good auto rotation deamon thing for SHR ?
Jun 01 15:26:20 <linuxxr> did u try "rotate"
Jun 01 15:26:34 <linuxxr> at opkg.org
Jun 01 15:26:43 <Bert_2> yeah, but that's using an icon
Jun 01 15:26:58 <Bert_2> I see daemons popping up that use the accelerometers
Jun 01 15:27:07 <linuxxr> delete the icon
Jun 01 15:27:10 <Bert_2> and I'm just curious whether any of them work on SHR
Jun 01 15:27:24 <Bert_2> linuxxr: does rotate also do accelerometers ?
Jun 01 15:27:52 <linuxxr> maybe after all the misc. packages get their heads together
Jun 01 15:29:09 <Bert_2> yeah, the problem is I don't know which ones work and are still maintained and which ones suck and are dead
Jun 01 15:29:33 <linuxxr> trial an error
Jun 01 15:29:58 <Bert_2> guess so
Jun 01 15:30:06 <Bert_2> I just found out one is in the repos
Jun 01 15:30:18 <Bert_2> omnewrotate
Jun 01 15:30:29 <DocScrutinizer> check for date of last checkin to projects' svn might help as well
Jun 01 15:30:44 <linuxxr> duke nukem  guitat tuner  dont work for me
Jun 01 15:31:22 <Bert_2> awesome, omnewrotate works perfectly
Jun 01 15:31:30 <Bert_2> you start or stop it using the icon
Jun 01 15:31:39 <Bert_2> and it responds very quickly
Jun 01 15:31:50 <Zorkman> Bert_2: any idea how much CPU/power it drains?
Jun 01 15:31:50 <linuxxr> i thought it did but its annoying 
Jun 01 15:34:47 <Bert_2> Zorkman: gonna test the cpu usage in a minute
Jun 01 15:35:04 <Bert_2> linuxxr: what's annoying ?
Jun 01 15:35:37 <linuxxr> well      try led clock with that
Jun 01 15:36:20 <Bert_2> ow you use your phone as a clock ?
Jun 01 15:36:26 <linuxxr> in the past     trouble for me buy   im not a dev
Jun 01 15:36:33 <Bert_2> aaaaah
Jun 01 15:36:40 <Bert_2> I'm not a real dev either
Jun 01 15:36:48 <linuxxr> charge+clock
Jun 01 15:36:51 <Bert_2> but I know linux stuff quite well
Jun 01 15:37:37 <linuxxr> i need a couple tom-tom wall chargers
Jun 01 15:37:57 <linuxxr> i guess there are none
Jun 01 15:38:53 <linuxxr> if the time would stay set i would use it as a clock
Jun 01 15:39:24 <Bert_2> great, now it starts to rain here :(
Jun 01 15:41:13 <linuxxr> "Nokia might reveal its new Linux software later this year at a Nokia event in Germany"    wow        ther off an running
Jun 01 15:42:06 <Bert_2> Nokia already has maemo, qt and their other linux stuff
Jun 01 15:42:13 <linuxxr> sucked up everything off of QTE  then split
Jun 01 15:42:25 <Bert_2> jep
Jun 01 15:42:58 <linuxxr> not holding up their end of the   aggrement
Jun 01 15:43:13 <linuxxr> +e
Jun 01 16:17:39 <janvl> hello all
Jun 01 16:20:38 <janvl> When I boot my openmoko in NOR and select boot om2009 starts fine.
Jun 01 16:20:39 <janvl> However, when I boot in NAND, things go wrong. amongst the messages are complaints that no memory is left
Jun 01 16:20:41 <janvl> I'm using qi.
Jun 01 16:20:42 <janvl> As far as I know, I've no partitions on the micro SD.
Jun 01 16:20:44 <janvl> I would like to be able to boot from NAND again. Any ideas of whats wrong?
Jun 01 16:33:23 <PaulFertser> janvl: can you take out your uSD to make sure you try to boot the kernel and rootfs from NAND both with NOR u-boot and with NAND Qi?
Jun 01 16:35:37 <PaulFertser> janvl: i wonder why you have a uSD without partitions, what is it for?
Jun 01 17:27:11 <fredrin> ~seen dave
Jun 01 17:27:18 <apt> dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 46d 15h 46m 2s ago, saying: 'hahaa'.
Jun 01 17:27:34 <fredrin> hmm
Jun 01 17:27:55 <fredrin> strange that dave dissepeared
Jun 01 17:28:56 <DocMobilizer> yes. sad story
Jun 01 17:36:10 <fredrin> DocMobilizer: what's the story? 
Jun 01 17:38:59 <DocMobilizer> fredrin: no idea. curious as well
Jun 01 17:39:48 <DocMobilizer>  s/story/enigma/
Jun 01 17:41:17 <fredrin> yeah, miss him 
Jun 01 17:42:09 <DocMobilizer> hope he's well
Jun 01 17:44:07 <fredrin> yeah 
Jun 01 17:44:33 <DocMobilizer> k, got my VanNelle, got my latte macciato. gonna have a walk now
Jun 01 17:44:46 <fredrin> vannelle? 
Jun 01 17:45:00 <fredrin> what language is that? 
Jun 01 17:45:01 <DocMobilizer> tobaco
Jun 01 17:45:02 <fredrin> lol
Jun 01 17:45:05 <fredrin> ah
Jun 01 17:45:19 <fredrin> camel here and tabaco Uruguayo 
Jun 01 17:55:50 <PBeck> ahoi
Jun 01 18:04:13 <fredrin> PBeck: yarrr
Jun 01 18:04:41 <PBeck> fredrin: harr harr :)
Jun 01 18:05:07 <PBeck> captain is back on the ship ... sinking?
Jun 01 18:05:37 <PBeck> i dont know ;)
Jun 01 18:05:38 <fredrin> the ship has not been put on the sea yet, to many holes 
Jun 01 18:05:47 <PBeck> fredrin: omg ;)
Jun 01 18:06:59 <fredrin> PBeck: but according to the maketingpirates, everything should be jollygood 
Jun 01 18:07:53 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5080 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib lis302dl.lib): 
Jun 01 18:07:53 <CIA-53> openmoko: Accelerometer: corrected naming of multi-use pins and made SDI and SDO
Jun 01 18:07:53 <CIA-53> openmoko: BiDi. Reported by Alvaro Lopes <alvieboy@alvie.com>
Jun 01 18:39:11 <rzr> hi
Jun 01 19:07:27 * rzr released boxar : http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd
Jun 01 19:09:51 <Tanuva> is it possible to set POIs by lat/lon via navit's gui for geocaching?
Jun 01 19:18:25 <Weiss> rZr: awesomeness
Jun 01 19:24:21 <Weiss> i'm sure i must be able to make it play the announcement chime from stansted airport
Jun 01 19:26:00 <Weiss> rZr / rzr_: did you write it, or just package it?
Jun 01 19:35:59 <Zorkman> rZr: post it on opkg.org please
Jun 01 19:36:07 <Zorkman> rZr: that way it will reach more people
Jun 01 19:51:10 <Weiss> hmm, it has high CPU usage.. i wonder if it can be reduced
Jun 01 20:02:12 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * ra1f0af168e1c 10fso-monitord/src/dbus.vala: Add missing throw statement for FSO.DBus
Jun 01 20:39:00 <RzR> Zorkman: Weiss  thx
Jun 01 20:39:37 <RzR> if it works then let's put it in opkg.org
Jun 01 20:39:55 <RzR> Zorkman: Weiss  : which distro  are you using ?
Jun 01 20:41:09 <Weiss> RzR: SHR-testing here
Jun 01 20:41:54 <RzR> ok
Jun 01 21:00:01 <pavelm> Hello, everyone.
Jun 01 21:00:26 <pavelm> I tried to get twinkle to work on neo1973 (gta01), and can't get microphone to work... :-(
Jun 01 21:00:35 <pavelm> ...are there any tricks?
Jun 01 22:05:12 <RzR> Zorkman: all done :   * http://www.opkg.org/package_228.html
Jun 02 00:06:46 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r36a933f1385b 10/libfsoframework/vapi/ (linux26.vapi posixextra.vapi): fsoframework: add more networking stuff to linux26.vapi and posixextra.vapi
Jun 02 00:06:48 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3e3c72a72662 10/libfsoframework/vapi/ (Makefile.am libnl.deps libnl.vapi): fsoframework: vapi: start with binding libnl (netlink convenience library)
Jun 02 00:06:50 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r17c6169ec60d 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi utilities.vala): fsoframework: utilities: add convenience function ipv4AddressForInterface
Jun 02 00:06:50 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r628d82c88f51 10/libfsoframework/tests/testutilities.vala: fsoframework: tests: add test for Network.ipv4AddressForInterface
Jun 02 00:06:52 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5da25b126bb9 10/libfsoframework/ (fsoframework/utilities.vala tests/testutilities.vala): fsoframework: check for ioctl return value
Jun 02 00:06:54 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc436aab35583 10/fsonetworkd/src/plugins/sharing/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala sharing-helpers.c): 
Jun 02 00:06:57 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: fsonetwork: sharing: simplify checking for interface existance
Jun 02 00:06:59 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: * remove c helper code and use fsoframework method instead
Jun 02 00:07:01 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: * raise proper dbus errors
Jun 02 00:07:02 <ndnihil> GO MICKEY GO!!!
Jun 02 00:13:07 <Blu3> proper dbus errors instead of '', now, that sure would be spiffy
Jun 02 02:31:29 <Blu3> can anyone tell me how to fix the test app for gtk completion listed at http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=show&file=faq14.024.htp ?
Jun 02 02:31:34 <Blu3> on my desktop it works perfectly
Jun 02 02:31:43 <Blu3> on the fone, it's quite broken
Jun 02 02:33:30 <doc|home> what's the best mail app under shr? 
Jun 02 02:35:29 <Blu3> for regular email?  i use claws
Jun 02 02:35:57 <doc|home> reading the opkg listing it seems a bit flaky, is that the case?
Jun 02 02:36:31 <Blu3> the version before the current one was flawed
Jun 02 02:36:41 <Blu3> the current one seems to be working rather well
Jun 02 02:36:50 <doc|home> great, thanks
Jun 02 02:36:54 <Blu3> np
Jun 02 02:36:57 <doc|home> any performance issues? I have some on the n800
Jun 02 02:37:33 <Blu3> well, it does tend to use a lot of memory depending on options you have set
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