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Jun 05 04:00:14 <slaxxer> thank u rooly
Jun 05 04:47:35 <slaxxer> maybe tango fixed the media/card bug
Jun 05 07:43:49 <dehqan> Hi 2 all ,How can i find if some had sent sms in persian language on FR ?is it possible?
Jun 05 07:45:06 <PaulFertser> dehqan: RTL is implemented in SHR distro, both to view and to type. There's arabic illume keyboard.
Jun 05 07:45:26 <PaulFertser> dehqan: you might want to ask TAsn about the details.
Jun 05 08:03:36 <Hopscotc1> good morning
Jun 05 08:10:22 <dehqan> good morning too ...
Jun 05 08:10:37 <dehqan> tanx paul where is tasn ?
Jun 05 08:11:14 <dehqan> if there is arabic so not a big problem ...
Jun 05 08:14:16 <raster> PaulFertser: you patched upstream?
Jun 05 08:14:48 <dehqan> is qemu just for GTA01 ?
Jun 05 08:15:25 <dehqan> no found ..
Jun 05 08:21:24 <dehqan> in wiki has been said > If you want a fully functional smart phone, then download the Qtopia distribution
Jun 05 08:21:36 <dehqan> is it right ?
Jun 05 08:42:47 <beer_> yes it is right
Jun 05 08:43:01 <beer_> SHR is nearly there but only nearly
Jun 05 11:37:52 <badcloud_> question: I ran 'mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrievePhonebo
Jun 05 11:37:55 <badcloud_> ok 'contacts' > /media/mmcblk0p2/addressbook1.vcf'
Jun 05 11:38:02 <badcloud_> (one string)
Jun 05 11:38:07 <badcloud_> under shr
Jun 05 11:38:34 <badcloud_> is there some way to convert that file to vcard format?
Jun 05 11:38:49 <badcloud_> or, naive question, is it already in vcf format
Jun 05 11:39:23 <DocScrutinizer> moooorning
Jun 05 11:39:46 <badcloud_> what's up Doc?
Jun 05 11:39:57 * badcloud_ asked, nibbling a carrot
Jun 05 11:40:20 <DocScrutinizer> a rabit, a rabit.... *PAFF*
Jun 05 11:40:39 <badloud> dat's all, folkths
Jun 05 11:42:09 <DocScrutinizer> backscroll shows you didn't really succeed in your yesterdays poll about % of lost phonecalls ;-D
Jun 05 11:42:43 <DocScrutinizer> (initiated by dehqan)
Jun 05 11:42:47 <badloud> I don't think I participated
Jun 05 11:43:19 <badloud> who won?
Jun 05 11:43:57 * DocScrutinizer wonders whether you might get shot immediately by revolutionary guards in Iran, when busted with a FR on you ;-)
Jun 05 11:44:34 <badloud> ha
Jun 05 11:44:43 <badloud> *confused*
Jun 05 11:44:50 <DocScrutinizer> well probably sharia requests lobotomy for such a crime
Jun 05 11:45:49 <badloud> hell, being an end user is punishment enough at times
Jun 05 11:46:00 <badloud> when they find out I scoured all the forums and chats in order to delete all sms's
Jun 05 11:46:08 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-06-04 21:44:16] <dehqan> tanx paul but you mean OM has many bugs ?
Jun 05 11:46:09 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-06-04 21:44:37] <dehqan> so can not we use qtopia or other os instead of that ?
Jun 05 11:46:11 <badloud> they'll make me their new leader
Jun 05 11:47:02 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Jun 05 11:47:21 <badloud> Doc, you saavy on my question?
Jun 05 11:47:26 <DocScrutinizer> reflash! might (or might not ;) help for deleting SMS
Jun 05 11:47:47 <badloud> it won't, since they're stored on the sim
Jun 05 11:48:12 <badloud> I remember someone giving me an mdbus command that I copied into a script
Jun 05 11:48:15 <badloud> but I lost that
Jun 05 11:48:16 <DocScrutinizer> Heard this might change eventually :-D
Jun 05 11:48:49 <badloud> how 'bout it though, Doc. shr sim contacts to vcf?
Jun 05 11:48:52 <DocScrutinizer> badloud: actualy deleting single SMS is easy
Jun 05 11:49:05 <badloud> single, yes
Jun 05 11:49:44 <DocScrutinizer> it's a matter of fact even a lot of nokia phones do not support SMS bulk delete
Jun 05 11:50:10 <DocScrutinizer> so be happy with your dbus script ;->
Jun 05 11:50:23 <badloud> I lost the bugger
Jun 05 11:51:12 <DocScrutinizer> badloud: take spank for not putting it to wiki immediately
Jun 05 11:51:18 <badloud> but forget sms's for a sec. in shr, sim contacts--->vcf=?
Jun 05 11:51:41 <badloud> any idea?
Jun 05 11:51:41 <DocScrutinizer> ask dos1 iirc
Jun 05 11:51:50 <badloud> thanks man
Jun 05 11:52:00 <DocScrutinizer> not vcf, ut csv at least
Jun 05 11:52:45 <DocScrutinizer> also I heard about at least 3 concurrent efforts to write scripts to do exactly that
Jun 05 11:53:07 <DocScrutinizer> badloud: U should ask in #*cdevel
Jun 05 11:54:25 * DocScrutinizer makes a note to his todo list, to check whom to spank this time for not putting that on wiki ;-D
Jun 05 11:55:19 <badloud> Doc, what's the channel name??
Jun 05 11:55:32 <DocScrutinizer> #openmoko-cdevel
Jun 05 11:55:41 <DocScrutinizer> please read topic first ;)
Jun 05 11:55:57 <badloud> thanks
Jun 05 13:15:11 <wizkoder> What exactely did change in openmoko now? Just read the developers got fired?
Jun 05 13:17:40 <wizkoder> guess nobody's here anymore ;-)
Jun 05 13:22:33 <DocScrutinizer> wizkoder: hmmm, what's your question?
Jun 05 13:29:59 <wizkoder> are there enough developers that the project will continue without commercial support?#
Jun 05 13:31:16 <rhkfin> anyone noticed that openBmap fails at OM2009. No messages, it just won't start. Illume saves a log with 'An exit code of 1 was returned from openBmapGTK'
Jun 05 14:44:26 * DocScrutinizer wonders if wizkoder realized OM (the kernel + distro) is a FOSS project at last
Jun 05 14:46:02 <thrashold> Who/what is wizkoder?
Jun 05 14:46:04 * SpeedEvil wishes for GSM source too.
Jun 05 14:46:21 <SpeedEvil> And gllin.
Jun 05 14:46:48 <DocScrutinizer> thrashold: dunno, see backscroll
Jun 05 14:47:07 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: won't happen
Jun 05 14:47:16 <thrashold> Wasn't there an effort to reverse engineer gllin?
Jun 05 14:47:28 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: I know
Jun 05 14:47:33 <SpeedEvil> thrashold: yes
Jun 05 14:47:50 <SpeedEvil> thrashold: it stalled after it was revealed it wouldn't be in GTA02
Jun 05 14:48:46 <SpeedEvil> At that point, we could detect satellites, and their rough velocities - enough to get a +-1000Km or so position in half an hour. Maybe a bit better
Jun 05 14:49:18 <SpeedEvil> Which - you have to be _really_ lost to find useful.
Jun 05 14:49:20 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: not even OM has GSM complete sources. And  DSP source is in calypso rom only... :-/
Jun 05 14:49:42 <SpeedEvil> I know
Jun 05 14:49:55 <thrashold> At least you would know on which continent you are.
Jun 05 14:50:04 <DocScrutinizer> for gllin I don't know actual state
Jun 05 14:50:51 <SpeedEvil> It was my understanding that there was source - but a portion of the code at least was a binary
Jun 05 14:51:34 <DocScrutinizer> usual linux proprietary driver model then
Jun 05 14:52:30 <DocScrutinizer> so for gllin same applies as does for GSM
Jun 05 14:52:49 <SpeedEvil> Yeah
Jun 05 14:53:19 <SpeedEvil> It was a guess at teh time that the project  stalled (due to above announce) that we were maybe 2-3 months off a basic position.
Jun 05 15:23:45 <slaxxer> why is there not a link on the pages of  the wiki to translate back an forth   since the planet has of late been dominated by our french brothers
Jun 05 15:24:58 <slaxxer> not everybody has  Konqueror
Jun 05 15:28:58 <DocScrutinizer> and the ones that have and don't use FF are really angry whenever they find those nasty freakin f*ckng nabble references. PLEASE USE pipermail to quote ML!
Jun 05 15:29:25 <Blu3> ?
Jun 05 15:31:26 <DocScrutinizer> Blu3: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_buzz
Jun 05 15:34:47 <Blu3> ic
Jun 05 15:35:03 <Blu3> yes, i'm often annoyed by the lack of navigation on both OM and FSO wikis
Jun 05 15:35:42 <Blu3> from my perspective they appear to be simple websites with almost nothing on them because there are few if any links
Jun 05 15:36:08 <Blu3> as for the nabble links on here, i thought it was a blank page.  i don't run javascript by default
Jun 05 15:36:25 <Blu3> and when i enabled it just now, it's a broken load
Jun 05 15:36:38 <Blu3> it is trying to load nabble.comnull/....
Jun 05 15:36:43 <Blu3> which obviously isn't going to resolve
Jun 05 15:45:40 <DocScrutinizer> exactly. nabble is crap
Jun 05 15:46:29 <DocScrutinizer> it's kinda offense to use it for referencing ML in wiki
Jun 05 15:49:50 <SpeedEvil> The fundamental problem with the wiki is it needs someone to spend maybe 500 hours organising it.
Jun 05 15:50:06 <SpeedEvil> and correcting it
Jun 05 15:50:17 <Blu3> that's an understatement :/
Jun 05 15:59:05 <PBeck> hi
Jun 05 16:05:21 <DocScrutinizer> make that 1000h, and the poor fella doing this tedious job has to have a very good knowledge of all aspects of FR as well, to be able to tell obsolete stuff from correct one, or at least to know whom to ask and how to ask to get an answer at all
Jun 05 16:05:35 <nullix> hello
Jun 05 16:05:41 <nullix> alphaone: ping
Jun 05 16:53:21 <Think-Free> Hi ! I've installed Hackable1 on a sd card with one ext2 partition. I boot it with Qi ... I've done some modification and I want to make an image of this sd to redistribute it ... Any idea how can I do this ? 
Jun 05 16:56:10 <Blu3> tar?
Jun 05 16:57:19 <Think-Free> Blu3 : I've tried but it doesn't work, it seem that dev node or somethink like this is falling ... but it's difficult to debug the boot process
Jun 05 16:57:52 <Blu3> put your sdcard in your desktop and handle it
Jun 05 16:57:59 <Blu3> it'll be much faster as well
Jun 05 16:59:07 <Think-Free> If I just make a tar of the entire content of the sd card on my desktop and put it on an other, I could work ?
Jun 05 17:00:14 <Blu3> if it's the same size
Jun 05 17:00:27 <Blu3> otherwise your partition table will be off
Jun 05 17:01:01 <Blu3> make a tarball of each SD partition
Jun 05 17:01:10 <Blu3> assuming you have >1
Jun 05 17:01:14 <Think-Free> I have only one partition
Jun 05 17:01:24 <Blu3> otherwise a plain tarball will be fine
Jun 05 17:01:44 <Think-Free> but I want to be able to install the content on any size sdcard
Jun 05 17:02:11 <Blu3> just tell your downloaders to make the appropriate partitions and untar your tbz2 file onto the root partition
Jun 05 17:03:00 <Think-Free> ok, I'll try it, thanks
Jun 05 17:03:11 <Blu3> y/w
Jun 05 17:12:29 <Guest67950> is there a nice way to sync my qtopia with my contacts in konact?
Jun 05 17:13:15 <beer__> or for that matter beteween shr and kontact?
Jun 05 17:15:28 <Blu3> i've no idea
Jun 05 17:15:50 <beer__> at least we are 2 then
Jun 05 17:16:17 <beer__> sometimes I think I am one of the few that actual use my freerunner as  phone
Jun 05 17:16:26 <lindi-> beer__: heh :)
Jun 05 17:16:45 <Blu3> i use it daily as a phone
Jun 05 17:16:49 <lindi-> Think-Free: are you shipping source code too?
Jun 05 17:16:52 <Blu3> mainly for text messaging tho
Jun 05 17:21:02 <Think-Free> lindi- : yes, I'm the author of GorshPlayer and Qalee ...
Jun 05 17:23:29 <badcloud> I use it as my daily phone too
Jun 05 17:24:51 <Think-Free> lindi- : http://think-free.homelinux.org/wordpress
Jun 05 17:47:12 <Think-Free> bye ;)
Jun 05 17:47:26 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5089 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add Rene's WLAN connector header and socket
Jun 05 17:49:59 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5090 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (AUTHORS components/td028ttec1.lib gta02-core.pro): Add Rene's LCD connector FH23-39S-03SHW for TD028TTEC1 module
Jun 05 17:54:15 <DocScrutinizer> no "nice" way yet to sync to Kontact. opimd is missing vcard backend I'd say. Probably it's possible to setup a mdbus based script to convert the kontact(s) to opimd calls to create new contacts, and vice versa
Jun 05 17:55:54 <DocScrutinizer> having a look into how to build kitchensync plugins might be worth it
Jun 05 17:58:31 <gk> hello, is there anywhere doc about differences between A6 and A7?
Jun 05 17:59:17 <Defiant> gk: check the community ML for that
Jun 05 17:59:25 <Defiant> I saw a thread there for that
Jun 05 18:00:11 <gk> Dunedan: current month or older?
Jun 05 18:00:21 <Defiant> last 2 days
Jun 05 18:00:23 <Dunedan> ...
Jun 05 18:00:40 <Defiant> But iirc the answer was "buzzed fixed"
Jun 05 18:01:45 <gk> ok, thanks!
Jun 05 18:15:44 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5091 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (STATUS aat1275irn.lib): Review aat1275 - change FLT pin type
Jun 05 18:27:53 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5092 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: Review atr0610
Jun 05 19:04:28 <fredrin> hai gais 
Jun 05 19:04:47 <Zorkman> llo
Jun 05 19:17:09 <Blu3> 'lo fredrin
Jun 05 19:39:07 <mwester> what's a "gais"
Jun 05 19:39:08 <mwester> ?
Jun 05 19:39:22 <Zorkman> guys
Jun 05 19:39:45 <Zorkman> unless he meant gays, but i doubt it, everyone knows FR-users are babe-magnets
Jun 05 19:41:39 <MHazem> LOL
Jun 05 19:42:52 <kirun> yeah, especially if you show them OpenMiaoCat ... teh ladies love that
Jun 05 19:44:03 <Mononoke> miaow
Jun 05 19:44:40 <Zorkman> don't forget openvibe....
Jun 05 19:45:51 <kirun> of course, what would work even better is a wolf shirt with a FR-sized phone pocket
Jun 05 19:53:27 <fredrin> mwester: myspace speak 
Jun 05 19:53:28 <Blu3> zorkman, really?
Jun 05 19:53:48 <mwester> babe-magnets?  :-D
Jun 05 19:53:54 <fredrin> Zorkman: lol
Jun 05 19:54:07 * Blu3 doesn't quite get into that .. babe thing
Jun 05 19:54:49 * mwester is too old for that...  "babe-watching" looses its appeal when the girls are younger than one's own kids.  :P
Jun 05 19:54:50 <fredrin> Blu3: why? 
Jun 05 19:55:04 <Blu3> because i like guys
Jun 05 19:55:32 <Zorkman> Blu3, then you're in the right channel, prolly 100% male :D
Jun 05 19:55:41 <Blu3> ;)
Jun 05 19:55:57 <slaxxer> a galactic lady  is what a man wants
Jun 05 19:56:14 <Zorkman> lol, gonna google "galactic lady"
Jun 05 19:56:40 <Zorkman> http://www.iainclaridge.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/virgin_galactic.jpg
Jun 05 20:16:57 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5093 10/trunk/gta02-core/scripts/all-sheets-ps: The cpu-power sheet was not included in the sheet collection.
Jun 05 21:13:56 <DocScrutinizer> zorkthink you're wrong on that 100% thing
Jun 05 21:14:33 <DocScrutinizer> fsck, he's offline. Pah, chicken ;-)
Jun 05 21:19:43 <DocScrutinizer> zzzZzorkman: ^^
Jun 05 21:24:43 <Blu3> heheh
Jun 05 23:36:20 <daniel_li> Which type of BT device does FR supported?
Jun 05 23:38:00 <lindi-> daniel_li: ?
Jun 05 23:38:17 <SpeedEvil> daniel_li: All of them!
Jun 05 23:38:46 <SpeedEvil> Of course, the hard part is the software isn't up to what the hardware can do yet.
Jun 05 23:39:57 <daniel_li> Humm... So I wanna a know working hardware type
Jun 05 23:40:26 <SpeedEvil> I've used it with a external GPS before - nothing else.
Jun 05 23:40:51 <daniel_li> I don't wanna buy a issue BT device, then wait for the community to develop the software. I hope
Jun 05 23:41:46 <SpeedEvil> I haven't been tracking exactly what works - sorry - as I've been involved in other things for a bit. #openmoko-cdevel may have some other people awake
Jun 05 23:41:51 <daniel_li> Is there anyone use BT device with FR, Can u share the type of device with us? So I can buy it
Jun 05 23:42:34 <daniel_li> without much trouble for software issues.
Jun 05 23:43:17 <SpeedEvil> do you mean a headset?
Jun 05 23:43:35 <daniel_li> <SpeedEvil> do you mean a headset? --> Yes\
Jun 05 23:43:53 <daniel_li> without wire, bluetooth :)
Jun 05 23:44:35 <SpeedEvil> There are about a dozen sorts of things that can be attached by bluetooth - not only headsets. hangon
Jun 05 23:45:35 <daniel_li> <SpeedEvil>: Oh, You are right ;) I wanna buy bluetooth headset :)
Jun 05 23:46:36 <SpeedEvil> I see nothing on the wiki indicating it works - and I don't recall any mention here of 'yes, it's easy'.
Jun 05 23:46:47 <SpeedEvil> check in the #openmoko-cdevel
Jun 05 23:47:06 <SpeedEvil> What the hardware supports - and what the software does is very different.
Jun 05 23:49:10 <daniel_li> OK, I checkin openmoko-cdevel and propose the question, hope there is an answer
Jun 06 00:42:51 <rooly> neat
Jun 06 00:43:01 <rooly> just got the email for FR upgrades
Jun 06 00:58:02 <rooly> where can i get the change list for the a7 revision
Jun 06 01:45:34 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5094 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: 
Jun 06 01:45:34 <CIA-53> openmoko: A bit of cleanup and small improvements of components/STATUS:
Jun 06 01:45:34 <CIA-53> openmoko: - added author field to make it easier to spot eligible reviewers
Jun 06 01:45:34 <CIA-53> openmoko: - renamed usb_mini_b to mini_usb_b
Jun 06 01:45:34 <CIA-53> openmoko: - added Rene's new components
Jun 06 01:45:34 <CIA-53> openmoko: - added remark that crystal naming could perhaps be generalized
Jun 06 02:16:44 <rooly> so...
Jun 06 02:16:47 <rooly> bought another fr
Jun 06 02:19:58 <rooly> jesus h christ, why is nobody talking
Jun 06 02:27:28 <Blu3> hmm
Jun 06 02:27:32 <Blu3> busy writing code :)
Jun 06 02:27:39 <rooly> not good enough
Jun 06 02:48:41 <slaxxer> waiting in line to buy  the pre?
Jun 06 02:48:59 <mwester> They're at the funeral.
Jun 06 02:49:27 <slaxxer> palm funeral ?
Jun 06 02:49:30 <mwester> They asked me to do the eulogy for Openmoko, but I'm busy.
Jun 06 02:49:54 <rooly> lol
Jun 06 02:50:16 <rooly> yeah...i bought one before it threw up the flowers
Jun 06 02:50:23 <rooly> still a great piece of hardware
Jun 06 02:50:42 <rooly> nobody can dispute that
Jun 06 02:50:51 <rooly> mwester: do you know what the a7 revision changelog is?
Jun 06 02:51:00 <slaxxer> did u get an a6   ot a7
Jun 06 02:51:07 <rooly> just bought an a7
Jun 06 02:51:24 <rooly> if i can find my a6 within the next several days, i'm gonna send it in for the upgrade
Jun 06 02:52:17 <mwester> rooly,  no, but I know who might know that.  Check with DocScrutinizer when he wakes.
Jun 06 02:52:22 <slaxxer> multimoko owner  like dave?
Jun 06 02:52:30 <rooly> slaxxer: sorta
Jun 06 02:52:45 <DocScrutinizer> lol, you should know me by now
Jun 06 02:52:49 <slaxxer> what happened to dave anyways?
Jun 06 02:52:59 <rooly> DocScrutinizer: do you know the a7 changelog?
Jun 06 02:53:11 <rooly> its got to be more than a simple capacitor to get rid of the buzz
Jun 06 02:53:21 <slaxxer> ok ic
Jun 06 02:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> I'm supposed to, but honnestly... :-/
Jun 06 02:53:53 <rooly> its not online
Jun 06 02:54:06 <DocScrutinizer> rooly: was this a question?
Jun 06 02:54:24 <rooly> yes. is there more to the revision than the buzz fix
Jun 06 02:55:09 <DocScrutinizer> I think yes. we didn't build A7 for the buzzfix. So there has to be some other change as well
Jun 06 02:55:22 <DocScrutinizer> but I can't remember exactly
Jun 06 02:55:38 <DocScrutinizer> thinks it was the Vsys capacitor
Jun 06 02:55:58 <DocScrutinizer> I may check internal changelog eventually
Jun 06 02:56:35 <rooly> anyone know what the word is on the glamo driver?
Jun 06 02:56:50 <rooly> i read something a while back...like a month ago or something
Jun 06 02:57:10 <DocScrutinizer> but there is no massive diff between A6 and A7
Jun 06 02:58:16 <rooly> well of course there wouldn't be
Jun 06 02:58:21 <rooly> its still the gta02
Jun 06 02:58:42 <rooly> is volume improved on the damned thing?
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