**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 06 02:59:59 2009 Jun 06 03:25:06 did you check the damned alsa.controls? Jun 06 03:25:35 yeah Jun 06 03:25:37 and modem at@aul=255 ? Jun 06 03:25:40 but they don't stick Jun 06 03:25:54 lol. of course not Jun 06 03:26:13 need to store to gsmhandset.state Jun 06 03:27:01 oic Jun 06 03:27:15 then there's the echo thru the body problem Jun 06 03:27:30 which i thought about stuffing insulation inside the phone Jun 06 03:28:05 how did you verify it's thru the body? Jun 06 03:28:22 i didn't. that was a topic of discussion tho Jun 06 03:28:30 its something i'd like to work on when i get my phone Jun 06 03:28:34 recently nobody complained about echo anymore, btw Jun 06 03:28:40 oh? Jun 06 03:28:43 software fix? Jun 06 03:28:47 sure Jun 06 03:29:24 enable echo cancellation in modem (what is exactly what all fso based distris do now) Jun 06 03:29:50 neato Jun 06 03:30:06 what about hackable1 Jun 06 03:30:06 did you know _all_ cellphones have this echo problem? Jun 06 03:30:15 i have sorta noticed it Jun 06 03:30:19 especially in speakerphone mode Jun 06 03:30:21 what is hackable ;-) Jun 06 03:30:49 I checked speakerphone some 4 days ago. was excellent Jun 06 03:30:57 hackable:1 looks to me like a retooling of the old gtk distro Jun 06 03:31:47 too bad then it seems it's really based on _old_ distro schemes and details Jun 06 03:32:13 i personally much prefer the old gtk distro Jun 06 03:32:25 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Jun 06 03:32:59 mostly due to the not-horribly-disgustingly-bland interface Jun 06 03:33:12 and that it had a full integrated PIM suite that worked for the most part Jun 06 03:33:27 but thats just me Jun 06 03:33:43 it definitely needs work Jun 06 03:33:55 but gtk shouldn't have just been abandoned Jun 06 03:34:08 hw-department here, not distro maintainer. sorry Jun 06 03:34:32 oh, not saying anything Jun 06 03:34:38 not to you at least Jun 06 03:34:44 just throwing that out there Jun 06 03:34:48 it was a bad decision Jun 06 03:35:31 qt libraries could have been integrated into the phone's x rendering, as well as kde, xfce, and e Jun 06 03:35:43 without changing the whole damned thing to be so very ugly Jun 06 03:35:51 and unuseable Jun 06 03:37:42 well, me and a number of other people are using it as daily phone Jun 06 03:37:57 om2008? Jun 06 03:38:03 i speak of om2008 Jun 06 03:38:19 'twas trash Jun 06 03:38:26 i hear good things about om2009 Jun 06 03:38:31 and i do so enjoy parolli Jun 06 03:38:39 bah, 2008 is past and dead and rotten Jun 06 03:39:05 good Jun 06 03:39:39 so a move back to the whole Phone/PIM + MiniPC Jun 06 03:40:03 as opposed to a MiniPC with a gsm modem Jun 06 03:40:03 2008.12 was considered an error even by some of the leading OM-staff. Jun 06 03:41:16 see, this i didn't know Jun 06 03:41:23 and it makes me both happy and sad Jun 06 03:41:46 1: that even those in charge agree with me and 2: why the hell was it done if it was a mistake Jun 06 03:43:17 political reasons. a bunch of a couple of dozens devels isn't easy to manage in a foss company ;-) Jun 06 03:45:02 ic Jun 06 03:45:07 well, i'm gonna head to bed Jun 06 03:45:08 nn Jun 06 03:48:43 nitey nite Jun 06 04:47:50 anyone know an easy way to bump the volume, speaker and mic? Jun 06 06:59:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r80c6f41b8651 10/libfsoframework/vapi/ (linux26.deps linux26.vapi): libfsoframework: linux.vapi: add non-posix socket constants SOCK_NONBLOCK and SOCK_CLOEXEC Jun 06 09:36:37 Hi all!! Here in Italy, a LUG is showing your phones... Jun 06 09:36:51 There where some voices of the entire project being "cancelled"... Jun 06 09:37:10 the next version was cancelled Jun 06 09:37:13 gta03 Jun 06 09:37:29 check the first link in the topic Jun 06 09:37:56 ok ok ... Jun 06 09:38:13 Do someone know if some versions of openmoko will have a "screen reader" for blind people? Jun 06 09:39:16 that's just software Jun 06 09:39:30 that can be put on any open phone platform Jun 06 09:40:17 well, it can be put on closed platforms too, but it's less likely Jun 06 09:41:05 ndnihil: symbian provides one... but I hate closed-source software and platforms... Jun 06 09:41:46 as do I Jun 06 09:41:58 are you blind? Jun 06 09:42:03 yes Jun 06 09:42:19 what screen reader are you using at the moment? Jun 06 09:42:41 actually, come to think of it, the gta02 might not be the right phone for a blind person Jun 06 09:42:44 it's a touch screen Jun 06 09:42:45 And infact ... I was needing a speaking phone. So I use symbian with talks from some year now... but... My mind is ... development-friendly, not user-friendly :) Jun 06 09:42:48 no tactile feedback Jun 06 09:43:19 I know... Jun 06 09:43:19 there are only two buttons, power and auxillary Jun 06 09:43:31 I knew... Jun 06 09:43:37 ok, just checking Jun 06 09:43:57 I red various things regarding moko some time ago... but... actually I left this ambit because of the touch screen Jun 06 09:44:20 hrm, you could probably attach a bluttooth or usb input device Jun 06 09:44:30 one of those handheld chorded keyboards perhaps Jun 06 09:45:11 And, if someone of you know, the symbian way of working is simply scandalous. Infact, I cracked all my phones (I disabled the system certification control) - I don't believe this to be right, but I believe I should be able3 at least to install what I want on my phone. This is however not freedom... Jun 06 09:45:36 yeah Jun 06 09:45:46 if you pay for the hardware, you should be able to do whatever you want with it Jun 06 09:45:58 right Jun 06 09:46:11 Aniway - being blind, at least I should wait... Jun 06 09:46:34 you sound development minded Jun 06 09:46:56 I'm sure your input and configuration work would be appreciated by others Jun 06 09:47:32 May be... the problem is aniway - the fact that the final result won't be very usable... Jun 06 09:47:51 how so? Jun 06 09:48:03 it's basically a tiny (and slow) laptop running linux Jun 06 09:48:09 For example - I would have to interface with the sms subsystem to read sms messages and write them... Jun 06 09:48:14 mrkiko: there was once even a project to make it more friendly for blind people i think, let me search for it Jun 06 09:48:32 I used to work with a blind guy who had his linux workstation set up quite nicely for his needs Jun 06 09:48:36 and this was 10+ years ago Jun 06 09:48:56 ndnihil: infact I use Linux... and I'm very happy with it!!! Jun 06 09:48:58 normal linux screenreading software should work for it Jun 06 09:49:07 Yes... I imagined... Jun 06 09:49:18 I haven't seen it ported yet, but that shouldn't be too difficult Jun 06 09:49:26 but... the problem is - that in Linux, configuring a braille display is very easy. Not so easy is configuring a vocal system... Jun 06 09:49:39 ah Jun 06 09:50:06 what's the name of the screenreading software for linux? Jun 06 09:50:19 And having to connect the phone to a braille display would render it unusable in most situations... ; the name is brltty; Jun 06 09:50:29 http://dave.mielke.cc/brltty/ I think Jun 06 09:50:43 But yes - recompiling it for ARM v4t shouldn't be very difficult... Jun 06 09:50:59 And brltty is well-written - compliant with Linux APIs (using libusb for usb displays for example) Jun 06 09:52:02 do you touch-type on standard keyboards or do you have a special one? Jun 06 09:52:26 I use a standard keyboard - 101 keys. I'm using a laptop ... now... Jun 06 09:52:32 nice Jun 06 09:52:46 since I'm on a LUG - now various people here are talking about various linux tematics :) Jun 06 09:53:00 I think someone here was using a frogpad, have you tried one of those? Jun 06 09:53:09 it's a small one-handed keyboard Jun 06 09:53:10 no Jun 06 09:53:23 mm... I may try some day... Jun 06 09:53:24 bluetooth connected Jun 06 09:53:33 they seem to be hard to get hold of these days :( Jun 06 09:53:56 Oh - various devices for blind are riddiculously expensive... Jun 06 09:54:08 These are about $150 USD Jun 06 09:54:15 especially here in Italy where the government is ignoring, as usual, the situations in various aspects... Jun 06 09:54:31 ah ok... I may afford it some day ... Jun 06 09:54:52 I'm tempted to try a frogpad, but I'm not sure how well my brain would adapt to one handed typing after spending so much time with standard keyboards Jun 06 09:55:12 aahah... Jun 06 09:55:16 * mrkiko thinks the same Jun 06 09:55:46 the USB version looks to be $140 USD Jun 06 09:55:59 for a phone though bluetooth would be better I'd think Jun 06 09:57:07 heck, bluetooth keyboard and bluetooth earpiece, and you could just leave the phone in your pocket Jun 06 09:57:19 turn the display off to save battery Jun 06 09:57:41 s/save/conserve/ Jun 06 09:57:41 ndnihil meant: turn the display off to conserve battery Jun 06 09:57:46 * ndnihil stabs apt Jun 06 09:57:54 :) Jun 06 09:58:47 mhm... Jun 06 09:58:56 I think I will get the hardware... Jun 06 09:59:03 then I will try to work on it some way... Jun 06 09:59:13 it's a fun little platform Jun 06 09:59:19 it has its quirks Jun 06 09:59:24 but I like it Jun 06 09:59:37 I hope it's possible to interface with the call system and sms one from shell Jun 06 09:59:57 yeah, dbus Jun 06 10:00:36 ok ok ... Understood Jun 06 10:00:50 mrkiko: we in SHR even want to be able to have complete UI using CLI ;) Jun 06 10:00:52 I worked with dbus since bluez is based on it these days... Jun 06 10:00:55 I hope you don't mind python though Jun 06 10:01:06 ahaha :) Jun 06 10:01:07 I personally can't stand python, but the phone uses it a lot Jun 06 10:01:11 good good Jun 06 10:01:47 I much perfer perl Jun 06 10:01:48 mhm... I also... but I think I will be constricted in learning it some day... Jun 06 10:01:53 s/perfer/prefer/ Jun 06 10:01:54 ndnihil meant: I much prefer perl Jun 06 10:01:59 * ndnihil stabs apt again Jun 06 10:02:16 Aniway... Jun 06 10:02:54 How is the phonebook handled circa? Jun 06 10:03:03 Berkeley DB? Jun 06 10:03:07 on sim Jun 06 10:03:25 I believe you can access that by dbus as well, though I've not tried yet Jun 06 10:03:34 ah ... Jun 06 10:03:56 Wasn't the SIm format too poor for today's standards? Jun 06 10:04:06 For example I remember th character restrictions... Jun 06 10:04:20 not sure, I haven't had any problems Jun 06 10:05:08 speaking of, while I have the sim in the brokeberry I should reload my contacts Jun 06 10:05:14 ndnihil: you dont put people's full names in there Jun 06 10:05:24 nor do u tr and attach multiple numbers to 1 contact Jun 06 10:05:37 or also email addresses, real life addresses etc. Jun 06 10:05:38 :) Jun 06 10:05:44 I do use full names Jun 06 10:05:59 company uses BES and it syncs contacts Jun 06 10:06:43 on the sim card? Jun 06 10:06:53 * mrkiko thinks it's strange Jun 06 10:06:54 yep Jun 06 10:07:09 when I swapped the sim from the BB to the FR, the contacts showed up Jun 06 10:07:12 May be you're using some special flavour of SIm - USIM or so... Jun 06 10:07:35 May be the nokia sim handling is broken... Jun 06 10:07:39 I since wiped it out messing around with a script Jun 06 10:07:44 sim cthats kind of odd Jun 06 10:08:02 I induced my E65 rebooting when I tried to read my old sim contacts... Jun 06 10:08:06 it's a standard at&t/cingular 3g fireball Jun 06 10:08:06 sim cards normally have a limit of 15 or 16 chars per entry Jun 06 10:08:15 and 1 entry, 1 number. Jun 06 10:08:21 not 1 entry, multiple fields Jun 06 10:08:31 I did mostly cdma stuff prior to the FR Jun 06 10:08:52 ... oh - the world is complicated some way :) Jun 06 10:08:54 some gsm stuff on the girls phone, but nothing too deep (debranding, custom menus and such) Jun 06 10:09:17 What do you mean for "girls phones" ? Jun 06 10:09:23 my girlfriends phone Jun 06 10:09:36 What phone model does your girlfriend have? Jun 06 10:09:44 a razr currently Jun 06 10:09:50 ah ... Jun 06 10:10:07 she started out with some samsung piece of crap, then I got her hooked on motorolas Jun 06 10:10:16 got her an l7 for some occasion or another Jun 06 10:10:27 modded that and she liked it Jun 06 10:10:41 To make the screen reader run on my phone I had to struggle. I had to debrand it changin product codes and so, and also removing an sp-lock because with sp-locks the fw sometimes refuses to run certain system drivers, such as those used by my screen reader... Jun 06 10:11:10 closed sucks Jun 06 10:11:24 I know... Jun 06 10:11:24 that's actually what prompted me to get the freerunner Jun 06 10:11:33 I was tired of dealing with p2k Jun 06 10:11:39 and zero documentation Jun 06 10:11:47 ehehe... Jun 06 10:11:47 fucking qualcomm Jun 06 10:12:18 I saw a friend of mine paying for talks and then not being able to install it since the phone was refusing the Nuance Communications certs... Jun 06 10:12:54 you said you are from italy? Jun 06 10:13:04 So I had to "operate" on it - and so on. At the end she was refund ... and I installed on her phone a "modded" copy of talks :) ... Jun 06 10:13:07 Yes Jun 06 10:13:19 I'm from Italy: TIM, Vodafone and TRE Jun 06 10:13:22 (and WIND) Jun 06 10:13:34 neat, I've got a gsm module from telit. the gsm-862 I think it is Jun 06 10:13:52 my washer/dryer was made there too Jun 06 10:13:53 ... Jun 06 10:14:01 ahahah Jun 06 10:14:01 a malber wd1000 Jun 06 10:14:28 now if only I could have a car made there Jun 06 10:14:36 had a ducati for a while Jun 06 10:14:47 but I think it's time I moved up to a prancing horse or raging bull Jun 06 10:14:49 :) Jun 06 10:15:36 ahaha Jun 06 10:17:13 Aniway - Qualcom is ... the worst... Jun 06 10:17:18 indeed Jun 06 10:17:50 I bought that telit gsm module because I wanted to combine it with an avr32 SoC and make a linux phone Jun 06 10:17:54 then I found the freerunner Jun 06 10:17:54 But .. even Nokia are bad people I think. Most of the time a nokia phone takes to boot is to calculate the CRC of the firmware to avoid people trying to modify the certificate system... Jun 06 10:18:51 wasteful Jun 06 10:23:39 Oh - how m much Linux and openmoko entusiastics here... Jun 06 10:26:59 what do you mean mrkiko? Jun 06 10:35:08 Zorkman: actally I'm on a LUG... Jun 06 10:35:19 *actually* Jun 06 10:35:50 mrkiko, agreed, nokia are asses Jun 06 10:39:11 mjr: :) Jun 06 10:40:14 lug? linux user group? Jun 06 10:41:31 YESSSS Jun 06 10:42:53 mrkiko, (and I'm a Finn, I'm supposed to think they're the greatest thing since sauna ;) Jun 06 11:48:18 hi all Jun 06 11:49:27 must I ask questions about debian on freerunner here? Jun 06 11:51:09 I don't know how to enable wifi chip Jun 06 11:51:28 I think I must use frameworkd but I don't know how Jun 06 12:00:46 dieg: with a dbus call. But your distribution might have a nice gui for that Jun 06 12:05:56 Defiant-, I've found the mdbus command Jun 06 12:06:18 but it seems that something it's not working Jun 06 12:06:25 debian-gta02:~# mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd Jun 06 12:06:26 Service name not found Jun 06 12:06:33 framework running? Jun 06 12:07:25 debian-gta02:~# ps aux | grep frame Jun 06 12:07:26 root 1987 16.0 14.2 25592 17260 ? S 12:05 0:20 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/frameworkd Jun 06 12:07:46 aah debian Jun 06 12:08:23 try mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower 1 Jun 06 12:08:32 dieg: or just use o-p-p Jun 06 12:08:43 o-p-p? Jun 06 12:08:50 openmoko-panel-plugin Jun 06 12:09:00 that thing with the thousand icons in your taskbar Jun 06 12:09:10 I don't want to depend in the UI Jun 06 12:09:23 ah ok Jun 06 12:09:39 many thanks Jun 06 12:09:45 many thanks Defiant- Jun 06 12:09:54 now I get the service list :) Jun 06 12:10:46 pefect! wifi enabled :) Jun 06 12:11:49 np Jun 06 13:40:09 any word on a7 changelog? Jun 06 14:03:40 openmoko: 03daveb * r5095 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/b7840.lib: correct pin numbering of pin 5 Jun 06 14:07:12 can someone direct me to where i can get help related to moko's kernel panicking when connecting to a windows box? Jun 06 14:08:18 F4t: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2135 Jun 06 14:09:12 lindi-, do you happen to have a compiled kernel with that patch? Jun 06 14:11:00 F4t: yep but it has other patches too Jun 06 14:12:18 lindi-, could you send it? or link me? what other patches? Jun 06 14:13:43 F4t: unnamed patches that are in development Jun 06 14:14:21 lindi-, i dont mind, just tell me how i get the kernel panic message afterwards :) Jun 06 14:15:39 F4t: where can i send the 1.4G? ;) Jun 06 14:16:31 omg... Jun 06 14:16:39 isnt it a compild .bin image of 2 mb? Jun 06 14:16:43 compiled* Jun 06 14:17:12 just a binary arm4 kernel would suffice :) Jun 06 14:17:33 * mwester wonders why F4t doesn't just fetch the uImage file from any of the current distros for the FR Jun 06 14:17:59 * F4t because F4t needs http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2135 patch in the kernel Jun 06 14:18:02 :) Jun 06 14:18:13 and because the kernel panics :( Jun 06 14:18:37 openmoko: 03werner * r5096 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (STATUS gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib): Jun 06 14:18:37 openmoko: Andre reviewed the si1040x. Jun 06 14:18:37 openmoko: Updated compilations for recent fixes. Jun 06 14:19:37 F4t: my working directory will soon appear at http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/tmp/ -- feel free to use what you want. (per GPL 3a i'm not distributing you only the binary...) Jun 06 14:21:03 lindi-, per GPL 3a, cant you not ditribute everything if i dont want everything? :) Jun 06 14:28:35 lindi-, could you direct me please to where can i find the built kernel? arch/arm/...? Jun 06 14:33:35 <|Marco|> F4t: precompiled? Jun 06 14:35:33 openmoko: 03werner * r5097 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Jun 06 14:35:33 openmoko: More 2442 issues found by Andre: Jun 06 14:35:33 openmoko: - VDDIARM_1 should be VDDIARM Jun 06 14:35:33 openmoko: - rename S3C2442 to SC32442. Samsung use S3C2442 to refer to the CPU Jun 06 14:35:33 openmoko: and SC32442 to refer to the multi-chip package. Jun 06 14:42:13 F4t: lindi/uImage* Jun 06 14:43:21 F4t: you don't need to download that all but i need to accompany binaries always with source Jun 06 14:52:11 lindi- "http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/" doesnt show directory listing :-/ Jun 06 15:01:33 lindi-, ? Jun 06 15:10:41 F4t: lindi/openmoko/tmp/neolinux/lindi Jun 06 15:14:16 lindi-, thanks Jun 06 15:14:33 how do i see kernel panic's msg, after it does panic? Jun 06 15:16:40 F4t: run ramconsole-dump Jun 06 15:17:01 F4t: and pass "panic=20" option to kernel so that it reboots automatically after panic Jun 06 15:17:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1fe97b8d37ae 10/misc-vapi/ (21 files in 2 dirs): misc-vapi: create new project that holds our experimental Vala bindings Jun 06 15:17:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r192232e1155d 10/libfsoframework/ (13 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: remove experimental vapi files, which have been moved to misc-vapi Jun 06 15:18:20 how do i pass panic=20 to kernel? Jun 06 15:25:10 F4t, its a boot option Jun 06 15:27:03 ok, how do i change qi's boot parameters? Jun 06 15:27:08 openmoko: 03daveb * r5098 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/rt9702.lib: nFLG is an open-drain output Jun 06 15:27:59 iunnno Jun 06 15:28:18 i DO know that i'm getting a new FR with android pre-installed Jun 06 15:32:45 F4t: append* file Jun 06 15:39:00 lindi-, nvm, that kernel won't even be recognised as rndis device when plugged in the windows host... Jun 06 15:41:36 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r70d07dbd99ba 10/libfsotransport/configure.ac: libfsotransport: no longer depend on fsoframework, rather check for the presence of the vapi files Jun 06 15:44:20 F4t: you did not load the g_ether module? Jun 06 15:44:45 i should load it manually? Jun 06 15:46:18 openmoko: 03daveb * r5099 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/rt9711_bd_5.lib: nFLG is Open Drain Jun 06 15:46:51 F4t: ? Jun 06 15:49:17 lindi-, i give up for today... sorry for the trouble, i might get back to it some other day Jun 06 17:16:50 openmoko: 03daveb * r5100 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (STATUS gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib): review of b7840, emh4, exc24cb102u, fa2012, ht210, r3113d, rt9013, rt9702a, rt9711_bd_5, varistor Jun 06 17:29:01 wohoo Jun 06 17:29:03 morgen Jun 06 17:29:34 some german peoples here? Jun 06 17:30:50 is the freerunner the last OpenMoko? Jun 06 17:31:12 i read the development of GTA03 was canneled Jun 06 17:31:51 They're working on a nonrelated device. If that works out, they may get back to making new phone hardware. Jun 06 17:32:40 and is aviable soon? Jun 06 17:32:54 no idea Jun 06 17:33:17 i want to buy a OM, but i think its may better to wait on the next Gen Jun 06 17:33:48 oh, the next phone will definitely not come out soon, if ever Jun 06 17:34:08 ok, :/ then is the freerunner my option Jun 06 17:34:09 the device they're working on now is not a phone Jun 06 17:34:26 GTA02 i come :D Jun 06 17:36:49 i found the Phone & Accessiors for 419 CHF.- i think that is a good Price Jun 06 18:27:42 Strange... The Legend of Kyrandia 1,2 and Monkey Island 1,2 have choppy sound on FR/Debian. The Legend of Kyrandia 3 has perfect audio, with voice overs and everything. The graphics are slow, but I guess that's due to the glamo... Jun 06 18:29:11 It could be a problem with some timer, affecting MIDI playback. Though I tried Monkey Island 2 with Vorbis audio, and it was still choppy Jun 06 19:07:58 some guys with graphic skills here? Jun 06 19:08:10 SHR need some cool splash screens :) Jun 06 19:08:33 requirements? Jun 06 19:09:21 you didnt like my windows one :) Jun 06 19:10:27 Zorkman1: hehe :D Jun 06 19:10:39 Zorkman1: well, can we use it without legal problems? Jun 06 19:10:52 prolly not :) Jun 06 19:11:09 no idea actually Jun 06 19:11:50 dos1: I'm interested in wasting some in creating art stuff, but are there any requirements on how they should look, as in... Jun 06 19:12:13 thrashold: 480x640 PNG Jun 06 19:12:17 look: good? :) Jun 06 19:12:29 thrashold: if you want, also second PNG for shutdowning Jun 06 19:12:40 thrashold: and it should look good :D Jun 06 19:12:46 dos1: I mean, I sketched some quick in an hour last week http://milko.3mhz.net/temp/shr/ , but I'm out of ideas and I don't know what and how one should look. Jun 06 19:12:50 http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00172/hybrid_DW_Sonstiges_172112g.jpg Jun 06 19:19:53 dos1: http://milko.3mhz.net/temp/shr/ is extremely slow... Jun 06 19:19:55 I mean, you can take some raw data from urandom or /var/log/* and turn it into 480x640 PNG, and under some definition of "good" it will look good Jun 06 19:20:07 :P Jun 06 19:20:31 Well, at least the kernel and /var/log sound interesting when you turn them into audio, I haven't tried images Jun 06 19:20:39 thrashold: nice idea! Jun 06 19:20:41 :D Jun 06 19:21:06 i have also idea for splash being screen from running illume D: Jun 06 19:21:24 "look! my SHR boots in 3 seconds!" Jun 06 19:21:26 :D Jun 06 19:21:28 why is it so slow? Jun 06 19:21:32 That's a good one Jun 06 19:21:38 too bad there is always that blinking cursor Jun 06 19:21:49 Zorkman: not always... i don't have it :x Jun 06 19:21:56 dos1: how??? Jun 06 19:22:02 Zorkman: i boot from SD card with Qi Jun 06 19:22:08 dos1: me too... Jun 06 19:22:13 loglevel=0 quit Jun 06 19:22:19 *quiet Jun 06 19:22:30 hehe Jun 06 19:22:40 loglevel=0 quiet splash give me a cursor... Jun 06 19:22:48 * Q-Master need to change append-GTA02 file Jun 06 19:22:53 maybe should try loglevel=1 ? Jun 06 19:23:19 Zorkman: yep, try it Jun 06 19:23:32 i have "loglevel=1 quiet splash" Jun 06 19:23:35 as in default image Jun 06 19:28:31 dos1: i have the exact same as you, but i still have the blinking cursor... Jun 06 19:28:45 upper left corner, about one cm below top Jun 06 19:28:50 Zorkman: which kernel? Jun 06 19:29:01 shr-unstable, fully upgraded Jun 06 19:29:09 Zorkman: do you have some kernel messages before splash is displayed? Jun 06 19:29:13 Zorkman: i don't have any... Jun 06 19:29:21 yeah, three or four, about g_ether i think Jun 06 19:29:39 setting mac address i think, but not sure Jun 06 19:29:46 uh Jun 06 19:29:50 so that should be fixed Jun 06 19:30:00 mwester: why it that? Jun 06 19:30:12 mwester: i have my factory partition borked, maybe that's why i don't have that messages Jun 06 19:34:39 cat /proc/cmdline -- see what loglevel is *really* set to. Jun 06 19:35:23 loglevel=4 console=tty0 console=ttySAC2,115200 init=/sbin/init ro mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(qi),0x00040000(depr-ub-env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(depr),0x00040000(identity-ext2),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=1 loglevel=1 splash quiet Jun 06 19:35:28 Zorkman: can you also check? Jun 06 19:38:09 Zorkman: you noob :P Jun 06 19:38:17 (maybe now you will answer :D) Jun 06 19:40:12 dos1: sorry, was busy Jun 06 19:40:47 dos1: loglevel=4 console=tty0 console=ttySAC2,115200 init=/sbin/init ro mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(qi),0x00040000(depr-ub-env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(depr),0x00040000(identity-ext2),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) g_ether.dev_addr=00:1F:11:01:08:10 g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:08:11 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=1 loglevel=1 quiet splash Jun 06 19:41:27 mwester: so that's not a problem Jun 06 19:41:34 mwester: that's problem with g_ether Jun 06 19:45:42 dos1: :) Jun 06 19:46:51 dos1, there's no problem with g_ether. It uses the standard kernel logging mechansim. Jun 06 19:47:08 mwester: so why it shows that messages? Jun 06 19:47:22 I'm not psychic. Jun 06 19:47:28 hehe Jun 06 19:47:33 Try loglevel 0 Jun 06 19:47:41 mwester: the same Jun 06 19:48:09 What bootloader? Jun 06 19:49:00 mwester: Qi Jun 06 19:49:23 And do the messages go away when you boot with uboot? Jun 06 19:49:47 * mwester thinks the problem is related to Qi, and the fact that the loglevel line is repeated twice on the cmdline, which is wrong. Jun 06 19:50:09 Zorkman: can you try with uboot? Jun 06 19:50:16 Ainulindale had the same problem, and found the issue was related to Qi, IIRC. Jun 06 19:50:35 I don't do Qi. I'm sure it's a marvelous bootloader, but I find uboot to be more useful. Jun 06 19:54:28 dos1: i don't have uboot anymore, and flashing requires another machine atm Jun 06 19:54:37 Zorkman: you have, in NOR :P Jun 06 19:55:49 dos1: for that i'll need to repartion SD card (it's now one big ext3) Jun 06 19:56:46 anyway, i'll reflash qi when i'm able to Jun 06 19:57:10 mwester is right though, why would qi give two times the loglevel? Jun 06 19:57:24 i think we should compile our Qi with loglevel=1 in sources Jun 06 19:57:35 and then only increment when needed in append-* file Jun 06 19:57:51 Zorkman: first is from sources, second is from append-* file Jun 06 19:58:27 Or put NO loglevel in Qi, build the kernel with loglevel=0 for default -- then whatever loglevel you place in the append-* file will be the one used, and will be the only one on the command line. Jun 06 19:59:09 digg http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_cellphone_running_Paroli_phoneapp Jun 06 19:59:18 mwester: good one Jun 06 19:59:33 mwester: can you patch kernel for proper loglevel in SHR? :D Jun 06 20:00:19 I can. But it would need coordination with eveything else, because it would be meaningless unless people flashed a patched Qi. Jun 06 20:00:58 mwester: we can start provide Qi on our download site Jun 06 20:01:33 I dislike the idea immensly. Jun 06 20:01:37 +s Jun 06 20:01:52 i like it... Jun 06 20:01:55 Distros should not require custom bootloaders. Jun 06 20:01:57 Ever. Jun 06 20:02:08 not custom Jun 06 20:02:15 that patch should be mainstream Jun 06 20:02:26 it's just practical Jun 06 20:02:38 and just notice: "if you want nice splash screen, upgrade your Qi" :P Jun 06 20:02:44 i don't see why qi should provide a loglevel... every distro can choose what it wants Jun 06 20:02:47 Qi needs to be updated centrally, and when that happens, we can customize the kernel. Until that happens, we should leave the loglevel situation alone, or recommend the use of uboot. Jun 06 20:03:16 mwester: who needs to be poked for that to happen? Jun 06 20:03:17 Frankly, the outstanding issue with the WSOD only happens with Qi as well. Jun 06 20:03:18 where i should send Qi patches? Jun 06 20:03:28 Qi patches go to the kernel ML. Jun 06 20:03:33 ok Jun 06 20:03:42 * dos1 doesn't have WSODs at all Jun 06 20:03:55 but wasn't it Andy that worked with Qi and now he don't anymore? Jun 06 20:03:59 I vote we just encourage users to _not_ use Qi, and provide some specific instructions on how to set up uboot to boot with proper command line options. Jun 06 20:04:13 Yes, Andy was doing Qi and still is. Jun 06 20:04:44 poke andy Jun 06 20:05:31 If someone wants to check, perhaps they can figure out what the rules are for multiple command line options. Perhaps the last one _does_ take precedence, and there is something else wrong. Doesn't the append-* file require an extra character with Qi? Jun 06 20:14:13 mwester: i've just made a patch Jun 06 20:14:18 mwester: sending it to kernel ml now Jun 06 20:16:17 hi Jun 06 20:20:27 mwester: sent Jun 06 20:21:49 mwester: so now bug someone to commit it :D Jun 06 20:29:20 hi i have problem with shr-unstable. when i want to start duke3d or opendoom, a scrren turns to yellow and without response Jun 06 20:29:47 mihairu: known problem Jun 06 20:30:10 http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/426 Jun 06 20:30:28 mihairu: there was a workaround... Jun 06 20:30:50 Zorkman: oh ok thx Jun 06 20:34:07 Zorkman: and where i can find a workaround?:) Jun 06 20:36:07 mihairu: trying to remember... Jun 06 20:36:31 mihairu: try to echo qvga-normal > /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state before booting duke3d Jun 06 20:36:38 to restore echo normal > /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state Jun 06 20:36:46 ok Jun 06 20:36:47 i think that used to do the trick Jun 06 20:36:50 not sure though Jun 06 20:37:05 mihairu, Zorkman: i can confirm :) Jun 06 20:38:43 we're not hearing from mihairu; so i guess he's been shot down by aliens and on top of a building and trying to move with the accelerometers :) Jun 06 20:40:12 or he doesn't have a hardware keyboard connected to his Fr or something like x11vnc; and he's still typing the command in on the terminal, franticly swiping right-to-left a thousand times : Jun 06 20:45:14 yeah i am on fr but i copy-paste to script, but it doesnt work well. i have a sreen of doom at bottom-right with mesy colors and i can see a half of game screen Jun 06 20:47:08 and what rendering should i use? software, software16 or xrender Jun 06 21:56:29 openmoko: 03werner * r5101 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (STATUS sc32442.lib): Jun 06 21:56:29 openmoko: Andre found a lot more table 1-1 victims: Jun 06 21:56:29 openmoko: - VD16/GPD8/SPIMOSI1 is actually MISO (!!!) Jun 06 21:56:29 openmoko: - UCLK/GPH8 is called UEXTCLK everywhere but in table 1-1 Jun 06 21:56:29 openmoko: - GPC[5:7] should be LCD_LPCOE, LCD_LPCREV, LCD_LPCREVB, not LCDVF[0:2] Jun 06 21:56:30 openmoko: Updated components/STATUS to indicate that neither of us is finished with Jun 06 21:56:34 openmoko: the sc32442 yet. Jun 06 22:15:18 openmoko: 03daveb * r5102 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (STATUS gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib mini_usb_b.lib): Review of mini-usb connector Jun 06 22:27:46 openmoko: 03werner * r5103 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: Andre's review of the sc32442 is finished. Jun 07 01:38:33 * rooly thinks FOF could be ported to the FR Jun 07 01:38:44 IF it were recompiled to cython Jun 07 01:38:50 and used only 2d images Jun 07 01:39:07 FOF? Jun 07 01:39:11 Frets on Fire Jun 07 01:39:13 sorry Jun 07 01:39:22 my new favorite game Jun 07 01:39:27 ah, a game Jun 07 01:39:44 you say that with such disdain Jun 07 01:40:01 no, hehe, just few characters Jun 07 01:40:12 i really did not know what it was Jun 07 01:40:20 oh, well, ever played guitar hero? Jun 07 01:40:31 some, but i suck at it. I'm a Wii guy Jun 07 01:40:53 frets on fire is basically that genre but for the PC Jun 07 01:40:59 it runs on linux and windows Jun 07 01:41:04 k Jun 07 01:41:05 cool Jun 07 01:41:15 and it uses a keyboard for input Jun 07 01:41:24 f1-f5 are your frets Jun 07 01:41:28 and enter is your strum key Jun 07 01:42:50 installing it now, have to test it on my comp :) Jun 07 01:43:01 got nothing else todo Jun 07 01:43:05 you need either a wireless keyboard, or one with a long cable on it Jun 07 01:43:12 don't try to play it with a laptop keyboard Jun 07 01:43:28 why? Jun 07 01:43:32 i only got a laptop Jun 07 01:43:40 cause of the way you play the game Jun 07 01:43:57 i suppose it would be feasible if your laptop had a hole in it Jun 07 01:44:06 like between the screen and keyboard Jun 07 01:44:15 but you'd get a neck cramp Jun 07 01:52:52 cool game Jun 07 01:53:08 it work somewhat to use the laptop keyboard though Jun 07 01:53:08 oh yes Jun 07 01:53:17 much better if you can hold it like you should Jun 07 01:53:23 alot of fun Jun 07 01:53:36 but i'm not used to play the guitar either, more used to type touch.... Jun 07 01:53:37 :) Jun 07 01:53:44 heheh Jun 07 01:53:58 i'm gonna put this on my ps3 when i get linux finally installed on it after i finally get it working agian... Jun 07 01:54:11 http://www.runningwithscissors.com/ aka Postal Jun 07 01:54:28 i've heard of postal Jun 07 01:54:40 * DocScrutinizer too Jun 07 01:55:05 heard cats are good gun mufflers ;-D Jun 07 01:55:21 lmao Jun 07 01:56:28 I prefer tesla transformers for leissure time tho Jun 07 01:56:58 well, anyway Jun 07 01:57:33 let me reflash my uSD with SHR + dbus bug fix (yeeeehAAA) Jun 07 01:58:24 * rooly guffaws Jun 07 01:58:32 I managed to destroy my rootfs by intentionally dropping my FR from 160cm to the ground. No idea why the kernel PANICs now :-S Jun 07 01:58:39 lmao Jun 07 01:58:41 nice Jun 07 01:58:59 ~wtf lmao Jun 07 01:59:01 LMAO: laughing my ass off Jun 07 01:59:08 aaah Jun 07 01:59:11 yessir Jun 07 01:59:21 roflmfao Jun 07 01:59:32 try that one Jun 07 01:59:39 this one I got now ;-) Jun 07 01:59:49 bbiab Jun 07 01:59:54 afaik Jun 07 02:00:08 imho Jun 07 02:00:12 errrr ?!?! Jun 07 02:00:17 try 'em Jun 07 02:00:26 know them Jun 07 02:00:34 ah, keke Jun 07 02:00:40 anywho Jun 07 02:00:44 just thought you're talking bullshit Jun 07 02:00:55 so a 5' fall will destroy my rootfs Jun 07 02:01:03 lol Jun 07 02:01:19 seems like it actually does sometimes Jun 07 02:01:49 kernel panic on first line after starting kernel - very starnge Jun 07 02:02:01 hmm Jun 07 02:02:11 maybe you have corrupted bits Jun 07 02:02:22 a sector or two are trashed and simply can't be flashed Jun 07 02:02:37 i mean, 5' is pretty high to drop something from Jun 07 02:02:50 3-4' is your normal carrying level Jun 07 02:03:09 well I don't care. got a borked inode that refuses to "rm -f", and I intended to reflash with dbus MAJOR BUG proposed fix anyway Jun 07 02:03:33 * rooly wonders how that even works Jun 07 02:03:40 what?? Jun 07 02:03:48 how can an inode refuse to erase Jun 07 02:04:01 that's actually a miracle Jun 07 02:04:19 [2009-06-07 00:38:47] fsck! /etc/localtime: error: stale NFS file handle :-((( Jun 07 02:04:39 [2009-06-07 00:56:55] rm -f /etc/localtime; rm: cannot stat "etc/localtime" : stale NFS file handle Jun 07 02:04:47 !? Jun 07 02:04:54 where the hell is the NFS coming in Jun 07 02:05:04 no idea Jun 07 02:05:09 i see Jun 07 02:05:11 your right Jun 07 02:05:14 i got *no* NFS Jun 07 02:05:14 something very odd Jun 07 02:05:26 a miracle definitely Jun 07 02:05:33 errno confusion? Jun 07 02:05:41 borked inode, fs driver is assuming it might be a NFS node Jun 07 02:06:00 resists boots, and rm -f Jun 07 02:06:13 just rm -rf / Jun 07 02:06:23 mke3fs Jun 07 02:06:30 so : either ext2fsck, or reflash Jun 07 02:06:36 hmm Jun 07 02:06:47 i think the FR kernel needs to get ext4 support compiled in! Jun 07 02:07:14 (I might want to save that inode block though, for my special friends ;-) Jun 07 02:07:23 lol Jun 07 02:07:54 now, why do i think so? so that we can walk up to all the iPhone users and gloat that our phone can hold up to 4 exabytes of data, while there's is limited to just 8-16 gigs Jun 07 02:08:28 then they can gloat that theirs makes phone calls Jun 07 02:08:57 well, seen this: ??? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19796, and this: Jun 07 02:08:59 and with the latest distros, we can gloat that ours makes phone calls, has a useable bluetooth stack, and can play duke nukem Jun 07 02:09:01 [2009-06-07 00:07:29] http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/dbus_1.2.14-r0_armv4t.ipk Jun 07 02:09:02 [2009-06-07 00:07:39] http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/libdbus-1-3_1.2.14-r0_armv4t.ipk Jun 07 02:10:16 eww Jun 07 02:10:19 horrible Jun 07 02:10:23 if this pans out / holds the promise, this is a *really* great day for OM Jun 07 02:11:36 naw, not horrible. We *knew* about "horrible" for ~2months now. Today seems fe found the fix to close 90% of trac-tickets :-))) Jun 07 02:11:47 !!!?? Jun 07 02:13:14 there's a nasty bug in dbus lins. This bug won't show on your gnome/KDE desktop as these aren't doing the tough stuff with dbus. FSO borked on it though. Today we seem to find the fix for all that oddity Jun 07 02:13:28 s/lins/libs/ Jun 07 02:13:29 DocScrutinizer meant: there's a nasty bug in dbus libs. This bug won't show on your gnome/KDE desktop as these aren't doing the tough stuff with dbus. FSO borked on it though. Today we seem to find the fix for all that oddity Jun 07 02:13:54 of course Jun 07 02:14:18 main desktops don't need all that sub-process communication in real-time like a streamlined integrated distro does Jun 07 02:14:23 the two links above are fixed dbus libs Jun 07 02:14:31 * SpeedEvil wonders what the last microSD compatible card will have a capacity of. Jun 07 02:14:37 32 Jun 07 02:14:46 you know what I mean Jun 07 02:14:50 they seem to work and fix "some" (lol) issues we seen so far Jun 07 02:14:53 oh Jun 07 02:15:05 I mean native microSD sized cards Jun 07 02:15:20 heard it's 32G now Jun 07 02:15:31 SDHC can support 32 gigs Jun 07 02:15:41 SDXC can support up to 256 gigs Jun 07 02:15:45 my 16G is broken from fab :-S Jun 07 02:16:23 aaah, the last one in ~3years Jun 07 02:16:27 IC Jun 07 02:16:34 dunno Jun 07 02:16:51 256 is a slightly more sane limit. Jun 07 02:17:00 it won't get much smaller, so uSD is here to stay (formfactor) Jun 07 02:17:23 rooly: I was more wondering when you'd be able to not buy microSD cards anymore - or they would not be compatible with FR Jun 07 02:17:33 oic Jun 07 02:17:58 proly in 4 years we will use quantum efect storage hat needs no more physical electric contacts Jun 07 02:18:00 when a 400mhz smartphone is nothing more than a calculator Jun 07 02:18:11 rooly: maybe true. Jun 07 02:18:23 DocScrutinizer: what may happen is contactless getting big Jun 07 02:18:27 which will be the case within the next 10 years Jun 07 02:18:40 bbiam Jun 07 02:18:44 (numbers-wise, not size) Jun 07 02:19:33 so i bought an a7 Jun 07 02:19:35 woo Jun 07 02:19:41 since...i sorta lost my a6 Jun 07 02:20:42 aaah you were the lucky person to lose the best FR ever built ;-/ Jun 07 02:21:12 * DocScrutinizer guesses in the long term connectivity will obsolete storage Jun 07 02:21:24 it will Jun 07 02:21:33 LOCAL storage, that is Jun 07 02:21:35 DocScrutinizer: how is that? Jun 07 02:21:40 the a6 gave me loads of trouble Jun 07 02:21:44 is the a7 worse? Jun 07 02:21:52 Interesting Jun 07 02:21:58 no, but it's not any better ;-) Jun 07 02:22:16 Some brief numbers indicate that 60GHz - power over wifi may not be insane Jun 07 02:22:22 at least for 10mW or so Jun 07 02:22:30 i betcha it buzzes less than my laptop Jun 07 02:22:40 actually rumour is A6 has better buzz suppresion (with fix) than A7 - looool Jun 07 02:22:56 lol Jun 07 02:22:58 And at that scale, you can do beamforming antennas on a platform the size of a microSD card Jun 07 02:23:38 SpeedEvil: yup Jun 07 02:24:04 but you need a butload of micromotors to position it ;-DD Jun 07 02:24:06 DocScrutinizer: so whats better, Android, OM2009, Qtopia, or Hackable:1 Jun 07 02:24:10 (But it's going to be a long time before you can fit 20 antennas and drivers on a package that small at 100uW each) Jun 07 02:24:29 bah, I never touched any of them Jun 07 02:24:35 DocScrutinizer: err - no - solid state Jun 07 02:24:42 err, well wtf do you use Jun 07 02:24:48 isn't om2009 based on fso? Jun 07 02:25:00 SHR-oemerge ATM Jun 07 02:25:37 based on fso Jun 07 02:25:42 amarite Jun 07 02:25:52 might give om2009 a shot eventually. *NONE* of the others ever will taint my DSL connection ;-) Jun 07 02:26:10 lol Jun 07 02:26:19 well i'm getting android pre-installed for mine Jun 07 02:26:41 android is a fake Jun 07 02:26:54 i just wanted to see it working and if i like it Jun 07 02:26:55 it's not even linux Jun 07 02:27:06 oh, i know its not Jun 07 02:27:18 its goonux Jun 07 02:27:22 that's legitim. I don't like it nevertjeless Jun 07 02:27:48 Iphone in some ways is more linuxy. Jun 07 02:27:50 AIUI. Jun 07 02:28:05 now, if i don't like andriod, i'm gonna throw some hackable:1 on there Jun 07 02:28:16 if that doesn't pan out, i'm gonna jump on the parolli bandwagon Jun 07 02:28:17 SpeedEvil: yup Jun 07 02:28:42 * SpeedEvil ponders people doing os-x'y things to iphone Jun 07 02:28:48 rooly: give SHR a try. worth it Jun 07 02:29:04 (making it install on non-iphone hw) Jun 07 02:29:23 SpeedEvil: only once they've succesfully put a full linux distro on there Jun 07 02:29:29 debian or gentoo prolly Jun 07 02:29:44 huh Jun 07 02:29:47 and then put open embedded Jun 07 02:29:47 you lost me Jun 07 02:30:15 and then tried to get one openmoko distro or another working Jun 07 02:30:20 to some degree or another Jun 07 02:30:36 once that's been done, they are going to try to psystar it Jun 07 02:30:37 rooly: what U r talking bout? Jun 07 02:30:53 people putting OSX on non-apple hardware Jun 07 02:31:01 aaah Jun 07 02:31:11 never heard of that Jun 07 02:31:13 rooly: I mean - put iphone OS on non Iphone hw Jun 07 02:31:19 GAH Jun 07 02:31:25 dude, i know exactly what you mean Jun 07 02:31:30 now go back, and read what i said Jun 07 02:31:48 sorry - too tired. Jun 07 02:31:56 ~wtf GAH Jun 07 02:31:58 Gee... I don't know what GAH means... Jun 07 02:31:58 ;-D Jun 07 02:32:06 lol Jun 07 02:32:12 right... Jun 07 02:32:18 what time is it for you guys right now Jun 07 02:32:36 So Jun 7 04:32:26 2009 Jun 07 02:32:46 oh, painful Jun 07 02:33:07 only 930 here Jun 07 02:33:13 2009-06-07 04:32, sorry :-) (less painful?) Jun 07 02:33:35 (not in the slightest) Jun 07 02:33:43 3:34AM Jun 07 02:33:49 christ man! Jun 07 02:33:58 what, taiwan and china respectively? Jun 07 02:34:11 SpeedEvil: bah those british dust-eaters Jun 07 02:34:17 no, wait Jun 07 02:34:19 europe Jun 07 02:34:21 * SpeedEvil checks to see if he's moved continent. Jun 07 02:34:31 Nope - outside still looks like scotland. Jun 07 02:34:38 * rooly doesn't think europe and asia should be counted as different continents Jun 07 02:34:48 SpeedEvil: oooh sorry :) Jun 07 02:35:05 I admit I'm totally wrong Jun 07 02:35:24 EMEA Jun 07 02:35:31 ~wtf emea Jun 07 02:35:33 Gee... I don't know what emea means... Jun 07 02:35:37 exactly Jun 07 02:35:45 cause thats not an acronym Jun 07 02:35:48 or whatever Jun 07 02:36:00 apt: EMEA is Europe, MiddleEast, Africa Jun 07 02:36:01 okay, DocScrutinizer Jun 07 02:36:10 ooo, neat Jun 07 02:36:38 wtf won't work tho I guess Jun 07 02:36:42 ~wtf roflmaool Jun 07 02:36:44 Gee... I don't know what roflmaool means... Jun 07 02:36:46 ~wtf emea Jun 07 02:36:48 Gee... I don't know what emea means... Jun 07 02:36:54 ~EMEA Jun 07 02:36:55 hmm... emea is Europe, MiddleEast, Africa Jun 07 02:37:25 apt: roflmfaool is rolling on floor, laughing my fucking ass off out loud Jun 07 02:37:27 rooly: please, watch your language. Jun 07 02:37:30 aww Jun 07 02:37:52 apt: roflmaool is rolling on floor, laughing my ass off out loud Jun 07 02:37:54 rooly: okay Jun 07 02:37:54 hhheeeeeehhheeeee Jun 07 02:38:20 looool Jun 07 02:38:49 man Jun 07 02:38:50 apt, you're a silly sucking asshole of a ircbot Jun 07 02:38:51 i hate myself right now Jun 07 02:38:52 I know you are but what am I? Jun 07 02:39:07 okay Jun 07 02:39:11 that deserves a new one Jun 07 02:39:28 ldlshc Jun 07 02:39:33 no Jun 07 02:39:59 ldlshiac Jun 07 02:40:19 apt: ldlshiac is laying down laughing so hard i am coughing Jun 07 02:40:20 okay, rooly Jun 07 02:40:38 ~ldlshiac Jun 07 02:40:40 i guess ldlshiac is laying down laughing so hard i am coughing Jun 07 02:40:46 apt: ldlshiac is a terrible acronym that needs to die Jun 07 02:40:47 ...but ldlshiac is already something else... Jun 07 02:40:57 apt: do it! Jun 07 02:40:58 * apt does it!. Jun 07 02:41:04 * doc|laptop nods Jun 07 02:41:06 lmao Jun 07 02:41:15 apt: ldlshiac is also a terrible acronym that needs to die Jun 07 02:41:17 okay, DocScrutinizer Jun 07 02:41:25 ~ldlshiac Jun 07 02:41:26 ! Jun 07 02:41:26 rumour has it, ldlshiac is laying down laughing so hard i am coughing, or a terrible acronym that needs to die Jun 07 02:41:36 :) Jun 07 02:41:39 works for me Jun 07 02:41:41 awesome Jun 07 02:41:51 i really am ldlshiac Jun 07 02:41:59 praise DocScrutinizer !!! Jun 07 02:42:06 so, anyone got a nice way to play with volume settings. One that isn't "edit a file"? Jun 07 02:42:12 * doc|laptop hails DocScrutinizer Jun 07 02:42:27 doc|laptop: yup, here Jun 07 02:42:37 editing a file is really not ideal, mid-call Jun 07 02:42:39 doc|laptop: well, if you don't mind losing all your changes after reboot, alsa-controls works fine Jun 07 02:42:58 rooly: somewhat annoying :/ Jun 07 02:43:04 oh, verilly Jun 07 02:43:09 someone should do something about that Jun 07 02:43:19 involves "alsactl restore" prior, and "alsactl store" after meddling with volumne settings Jun 07 02:43:31 is it really a big problem for someone with some programming skills (that I lack for this platform) to port a volume widget? Jun 07 02:43:52 doc|laptop: there actually is a volume widget for FSO-illume Jun 07 02:44:04 it...just...crashes X... Jun 07 02:44:12 :o Jun 07 02:44:12 lol Jun 07 02:44:28 so, to answer my question, yes :) Jun 07 02:44:36 no Jun 07 02:44:45 the widget is just designed for a full desktop Jun 07 02:44:56 oh, wait, is that the enlightenment module? That used to crash X on my desktop too :D Jun 07 02:45:03 probably Jun 07 02:45:30 if you ever could imagine the motivation it gave me to be fired by OM, and the general laziness of me, you'd know why this tool isn't finished yet Jun 07 02:46:05 * rooly should write one Jun 07 02:46:11 * rooly doesn't feel like learning also controls Jun 07 02:46:19 HOWEVER Jun 07 02:46:27 rooly: feel free to ask me Jun 07 02:46:32 i do think a little bit of file manipulation could be managed well Jun 07 02:46:36 just modify state files Jun 07 02:46:46 but...that would be bad in-call Jun 07 02:46:55 yeah, was just going to ask about that Jun 07 02:47:24 yesterday I had to sneak into a corner in a shopping centre just to be able to hear a person I was calling. Jun 07 02:47:27 since...ya know...it would have to reload the entire alsa config, and reroute the audio, while there's a pending audio signal Jun 07 02:47:32 no the street? forget it. Jun 07 02:47:37 *on Jun 07 02:47:40 you seen http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA/ACI ?? Jun 07 02:47:47 doc|laptop: i know the feeling Jun 07 02:48:08 doc|laptop: however, many phones without volume controls do that for me Jun 07 02:48:16 yep Jun 07 02:48:40 DocScrutinizer: what is this supposed to be Jun 07 02:48:58 the better alternative to alsa statefiles Jun 07 02:49:30 though (i told ya I'm lazy) not got beyonf the first basic steps yet Jun 07 02:49:45 ic Jun 07 02:50:05 so...we're waiting for you to start on something that could revolutionize the phone's audio subsystem Jun 07 02:50:15 and you're lazy Jun 07 02:50:18 so... Jun 07 02:50:23 ... Jun 07 02:50:25 carry the 4 Jun 07 02:50:29 it's utterly nonsense to switch *each and every* wm8753 control, if you actually need only 5 Jun 07 02:50:29 then the 3 Jun 07 02:50:36 okay, we're utterly screwed Jun 07 02:50:52 DocScrutinizer: obviously Jun 07 02:51:18 how much does the alsa-sucks point factor into all this? Jun 07 02:51:34 speakerphone, headset, and mic, and headphones Jun 07 02:52:01 if I could get speak (so I can hear calls) and mic so people can hear me I'd be a happy man Jun 07 02:52:03 however, headphones are particularly useless since the size of the antenna wreaks havoc on them Jun 07 02:52:16 oh, and also, the dates on newly received texts are still wrong, 1969. Jun 07 02:52:30 have you tried date -s Jun 07 02:52:33 U see, there's gsm_earpiece.amix which should enable modem output to earpiece Jun 07 02:53:52 you are confusing me with that date stuff Jun 07 02:54:04 rooly: output is today's wrong, but still not 1969 Jun 07 02:54:06 actually you lost me Jun 07 02:54:11 er, s/today's/ Jun 07 02:56:38 do a 'amixer -s aint 1969 the 0x0 date value? Jun 07 02:56:56 I think so Jun 07 02:57:10 still I dunno what U r talking bout Jun 07 02:57:17 his date is zeroed Jun 07 02:57:18 somehow Jun 07 02:57:25 which date Jun 07 02:57:38 the hardware clock Jun 07 02:57:41 his personal "best before" ?? ;-) Jun 07 02:57:58 * rooly saw that pdf about the buzz fix Jun 07 02:58:04 seriously? Jun 07 02:58:07 DocScrutinizer: on received SMS Jun 07 02:58:07 thats it? Jun 07 02:58:23 also, am I wrong with date -s 20090909 ? Jun 07 02:58:38 yes Jun 07 02:58:42 aah, hw-clock. The RTC is backup'd by the backup bat. But this piece of shit is broken on 50% devicers Jun 07 02:58:45 argh Jun 07 02:58:47 that's time Jun 07 02:58:56 ! Jun 07 02:59:07 * doc|laptop sighs Jun 07 02:59:26 ok, you know what, in future, I'm buying somewhat finished products Jun 07 02:59:31 screw this early adopter crap Jun 07 02:59:32 date -s 2009060730400.00 Jun 07 02:59:39 rooly: thanks Jun 07 02:59:44 roughly Jun 07 02:59:50 i think thats right **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 07 02:59:57 2009