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Jun 13 05:10:58 <Quadduc> What happened to http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/ ? I actually need it.
Jun 13 06:40:13 <Psi_> where abouts is the gta01 circuit diagram on the wiki?
Jun 13 06:41:09 <PaulFertser> Psi_: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/
Jun 13 06:41:31 <Psi_> thanks
Jun 13 06:41:37 <PaulFertser> Psi_: btw, i think you've probably disabled GSM in not exactly correct way.
Jun 13 06:42:01 <Psi_> i was doing at@poff 
Jun 13 06:42:12 <Psi_> and after that it stopped going OK to AT so it was off
Jun 13 06:42:32 <PaulFertser> Psi_: for GTA01 to properly turn on GSM one needs to ensure that he can communicate with it, then do AT@POFF, ensure that he can't communicate no more and then (mandatory) echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
Jun 13 06:42:42 <PaulFertser> s/turn on/turn off/
Jun 13 06:42:42 <apt> PaulFertser meant: Psi_: for GTA01 to properly turn off GSM one needs to ensure that he can communicate with it, then do AT@POFF, ensure that he can't communicate no more and then (mandatory) echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
Jun 13 06:42:55 <Psi_> ah, ok
Jun 13 06:43:24 <PaulFertser> Psi_: otherwise it'll leave output serial lines connected to the disabled modem feeding it.
Jun 13 06:45:41 <Psi_> LOL @ big NDA black area of pdf
Jun 13 06:45:47 <PaulFertser> Psi_: and after you do echo 0 > ... it will switch the multiplexer to connect that SoC serial port to debug board connector, so it shouldn't consume any more power.
Jun 13 06:46:43 <PaulFertser> Psi_: also of interest is the current consumption with all the system running but the display off. I suspect it can still consume parasitic current through control lines. At least that'd explain high consumption with display off.
Jun 13 06:47:17 <Psi_> the display consuming power when off?
Jun 13 06:47:44 * DocScrutinizer winks, yawns, turns around to have a little more sleep
Jun 13 06:51:35 <PaulFertser> Psi_: that's a suspicion. Otherwise gta01 would last longer idling with display off.
Jun 13 06:53:16 <Psi_> hm.. is there a backup battery inside gta01 somewhere?
Jun 13 06:53:36 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Jun 13 06:53:37 <PaulFertser> Psi_: not sure, i can say there's one in gta02 to keep time but it's mostly defective.
Jun 13 06:54:31 <Psi_> just noticed a battery in the gta01 datasheet and wondered
Jun 13 06:55:27 <DocScrutinizer> bupbat same 01 02
Jun 13 06:56:26 <PaulFertser> Same broken stuff? Nice :)
Jun 13 06:57:45 <DocScrutinizer> see wiki photo pcb
Jun 13 06:58:10 <doc|home> PaulFertser: when you say mostly defective, what do you mean? They need to be replaced? Big job?
Jun 13 06:58:35 <DocScrutinizer> night, don't disturb me ;-)
Jun 13 06:58:37 <PaulFertser> doc|home: i think nobody cares that they loose RTC time when they take the main battery out.
Jun 13 06:58:49 <PaulFertser> Doc :)
Jun 13 06:58:57 <doc|home> PaulFertser: mine doesn't even record the time an SMS arrives correctly :(
Jun 13 06:59:57 <PaulFertser> doc|home: unrelated
Jun 13 07:00:23 <doc|home> hmm
Jun 13 07:00:25 <doc|home> night
Jun 13 07:00:53 <PaulFertser> doc|home: moreover timestamp in SMS is set by smscenter or even by sender.
Jun 13 07:01:44 <doc|home> PaulFertser: I think it's being marked correctly in the system, just not being displayed correctly. Someone had me run something to do with dbus to view the messages iirc and the dates were good 
Jun 13 07:01:55 <doc|home> anyway, zZzZz time for me, before I collapse
Jun 13 07:02:22 <PaulFertser> doc|home: night
Jun 13 07:15:04 <Psi_> hm.. all theses O ohm resistors do look to make things easier
Jun 13 07:15:22 <PaulFertser> Psi_: and yes, it looks like sdio control lines are not properly disabled when SD should be powered off.
Jun 13 07:16:05 <Psi_> is that a software or hardware problem?
Jun 13 07:16:25 <PaulFertser> Psi_: purely software
Jun 13 07:16:46 <PaulFertser> Psi_: are you comfortable with compiling a patched kernel?
Jun 13 07:17:40 <Psi_> ive only ever compiled a kernel for my x86 linux box.  no idea how to compile something for a different cpu type
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Jun 13 07:27:41 <PaulFertser> Psi_: please download kernel and modules (!) from https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/gta01/ (26M overall)
Jun 13 07:28:14 <PaulFertser> Psi_: the only change is to try to really cut power to SD card when it's off so it shouldn't consume anything in suspend.
Jun 13 07:28:48 <PaulFertser> Psi_: (for other tests you won't need to download the whole modules archive because the version will be the same).
Jun 13 07:29:16 <Psi_> do i need the snd ko and qi udfu
Jun 13 07:29:26 <PaulFertser> Psi_: no, only kernel and modules
Jun 13 07:29:31 * Psi_ downloads
Jun 13 07:29:47 <PaulFertser> Psi_: obviously modules should be untared in /
Jun 13 07:29:54 <Psi_> ok
Jun 13 07:38:04 <Psi_> whats with the IRDA stuff on the headset jack?
Jun 13 07:38:12 <Psi_> didnt think gta01 had any irda stuff at all
Jun 13 07:38:34 <PaulFertser> Psi_: it's not irda, it's a serial debug uart of calypso.
Jun 13 07:38:51 <Psi_> ah
Jun 13 07:39:02 <PaulFertser> Psi_: used on factory to calibrate the device. Before arm FLUID release it was also the only way to flash the gsm firmware.
Jun 13 07:39:33 <PaulFertser> Psi_: calypso constantly outputs some debugging information on its debug uart.
Jun 13 07:46:13 <Psi_> any idea what it means when a resistor has NC for its value?
Jun 13 07:48:27 <PaulFertser> Psi_: yes
Jun 13 07:48:34 <PaulFertser> Psi_: it means the registor is not installed.
Jun 13 07:48:37 <PaulFertser> Not Connected
Jun 13 07:48:50 <Psi_> so its just a pad with no resistor
Jun 13 07:49:08 <PaulFertser> Yes
Jun 13 07:49:11 <Psi_> ok
Jun 13 07:50:11 <PaulFertser> Two pads ;)
Jun 13 07:50:17 <Psi_> heh yeah
Jun 13 07:56:41 <Psi_> hm.. all the 0 ohms are under a metal shield
Jun 13 07:56:45 <Psi_> that makes it more tricky
Jun 13 07:57:01 <Psi_> any idea if its soldered or pressed on?
Jun 13 07:58:11 <PaulFertser> Psi_: metal shield can be easily dismounted.
Jun 13 07:58:16 <PaulFertser> Psi_: but slowly and carefully
Jun 13 07:58:25 <PaulFertser> Psi_: you can use some pin-pointed knife for that.
Jun 13 07:58:31 <Psi_> so its not soldered on?
Jun 13 07:58:36 <PaulFertser> Psi_: don't push too hard or you will damage the holder.
Jun 13 07:58:51 <PaulFertser> Psi_: holder is soldered, but the can itself is clipped on the holder.
Jun 13 07:58:57 <Psi_> ah
Jun 13 07:59:12 <Psi_> should be fine then
Jun 13 07:59:13 <PaulFertser> Psi_: you need to go in circle, trying to lift it a little bit in every accessible place.
Jun 13 07:59:56 <PaulFertser> Psi_: do several iterations, every time lifting a little. It can take 5-10 minutes, just be patient and careful to not damage components outside the can. Do not push hard, it will come off itself.
Jun 13 08:00:25 <Psi_> ok
Jun 13 08:00:25 <Psi_> thanks
Jun 13 08:00:37 <PaulFertser> Psi_: and btw i guess you can try to avoid desoldering Rs for now as it seems there's enough software problems to fix first.
Jun 13 08:00:50 <Psi_> heh
Jun 13 08:02:40 <PaulFertser> Psi_: btw, R1701 (do pdf search) looks suspiciously low to me. I might be dead wrong but check it out (not that it makes much of a difference...)
Jun 13 08:02:42 <Psi_> lets hope the sdio lines prob is the biggest cause of power loss
Jun 13 08:02:52 * Psi_ looks
Jun 13 08:02:56 <PaulFertser> Psi_: i also suspect the same issue with LCM
Jun 13 08:04:00 <PaulFertser> Psi_: and that is probably the biggest obstacle as gta01 should live long enough with LCM off and it doesn't.
Jun 13 08:07:23 <PaulFertser> Psi_: for that stuff one needs to check AM6423P datasheet as i don't quite understand how it works.
Jun 13 08:07:32 <PaulFertser> Psi_: ^^ talking about R1701
Jun 13 08:07:46 <Psi_> yeah, im just trying to find it
Jun 13 08:08:24 <PaulFertser> Psi_: have you already downloaded the kernel?
Jun 13 08:08:50 <Psi_> nope, getting kernel now
Jun 13 08:14:25 <PaulFertser> Psi_: sorry, but testing LCM stuff will take longer because i can't find where the relevant gpio's are initialized.
Jun 13 08:15:08 <PaulFertser> Other devices specify GPIO values but gta01 somehow lacks it and still works...
Jun 13 08:17:36 <Psi_> ive got both the kernel and modules now
Jun 13 08:21:10 <PaulFertser> Psi_: i think the best approach to testing LCM consumption would be to: 1. (i think you've already done that) disable frameworkd/whatever startup, so GSM modem is not turned on
Jun 13 08:21:34 <PaulFertser> Psi_: 2. attach serial console (with GSM and serial console share the same UART, so GSM shouldn't be enabled)
Jun 13 08:23:06 <PaulFertser> Psi_: 3. check the current. Blank the display (with xset s 1, e.g.). Check the current. Check LCD lines with 's3c24xx-gpio' utility and turn them to inputs (in case they're not, and it looks like that) one by one checking the current inbetween.
Jun 13 08:23:53 <Psi_> ya
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Jun 13 08:26:10 <PaulFertser> Psi_: what's the ETA for you to test if my patched changed suspend consumption with SD inserted?
Jun 13 08:26:15 * PaulFertser needs to go...
Jun 13 08:26:34 <Psi_> not for a little while
Jun 13 08:26:39 <Psi_> have to go make dinner
Jun 13 08:26:51 <Psi_> not sure if ill have time today or not
Jun 13 08:27:01 <Psi_> its 830pm here
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Jun 13 08:27:46 <PaulFertser> Psi_: and thanks a lot for you work :)
Jun 13 08:27:50 <Psi_> yep, youll be the first to know
Jun 13 08:27:57 <Psi_> no probs 
Jun 13 08:29:05 <Psi_> oh right, its a charging circuit
Jun 13 08:29:12 <Psi_> now it makes a bit more sence
Jun 13 08:29:19 <Psi_> *sense
Jun 13 08:29:43 <Psi_> i couldnt work out why power was going the wrong way, hehe
Jun 13 08:29:50 <Psi_> ok dinner time
Jun 13 08:30:28 <Psi_> and yeah, 1k does seem much lower than needed
Jun 13 08:30:35 <Psi_> will investigate later
Jun 13 09:11:12 <ndnihil> hrm
Jun 13 09:11:24 <ndnihil> got navit running, maps set up, etc..
Jun 13 09:11:27 <ndnihil> no routing
Jun 13 10:06:39 <badcloud> morning
Jun 13 11:02:20 <DocScrutinizer> mooo
Jun 13 11:03:06 <SpeedEvil> woof.
Jun 13 11:05:13 <zedstar> meow
Jun 13 11:09:32 <DocScrutinizer> *yawn*
Jun 13 12:22:24 <Etu> The filesdownloads is soooo slooow
Jun 13 12:26:23 <Etu> How do I create a mirror for all files for download?
Jun 13 14:59:19 * Etu is testing the Om2009 jffs
Jun 13 14:59:48 <Etu> I can't navigate
Jun 13 15:00:45 <Etu> With Paroli
Jun 13 15:00:55 <Etu> I don'
Jun 13 15:01:13 <Etu> I don't know if the screen is locked or smething
Jun 13 15:01:28 <Etu> When it fades out I can touch and it comes back
Jun 13 15:01:45 <Etu> But I cant use items
Jun 13 15:02:36 <linuxxr> hold asux button 3-4 seconds
Jun 13 15:02:38 <dos1> Etu: you have to wait until items became white
Jun 13 15:02:49 <linuxxr> aux*
Jun 13 15:03:21 <Etu> dos1: I got the homescreen with the clock and stuff
Jun 13 15:03:37 <dos1> Etu: i know. are times white or light-grey?
Jun 13 15:04:07 <Etu> the clock is white
Jun 13 15:04:11 <Etu> the numbers?
Jun 13 15:05:04 <dos1> Etu: click on something
Jun 13 15:11:39 <Etu> I could't not before, But now I can
Jun 13 15:41:25 <PBeck> ahoi
Jun 13 17:39:45 <PaulFertser> Any GTA01 user here? Please pastebin me s3c24xx-gpio output along with kernel version.
Jun 13 18:07:27 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: probably you just have to wait for the SIM to become ready?
Jun 13 18:07:46 <Yanroy> oh, that takes a while?
Jun 13 18:07:54 <PaulFertser> As on any other GSM phone.
Jun 13 18:07:55 <Yanroy> I figured that was just a bug in OM2008.10
Jun 13 18:08:03 <Yanroy> k
Jun 13 18:09:24 <Yanroy> you don't know anything about the apparently-missing opkg repos for OM2009, do you?
Jun 13 18:11:24 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: I don't i'm a debian user.
Jun 13 18:33:30 <Yanroy> is there a reason the leading-1 bug in phone numbers has never been fixed?  that one seems really simple...
Jun 13 18:44:47 <Blu3> what leading 1 bug?
Jun 13 18:46:10 <Yanroy> sometimes phone numbers in caller ID or SMS have a leading 1, sometimes they don't
Jun 13 18:46:17 <Yanroy> so either way, some of the time they don't match your phonebook
Jun 13 18:46:26 <Yanroy> which means you get the raw number showing instead of the person's name
Jun 13 18:47:30 <Blu3> all US numbers should have a leading 1 in your contacts, caller ID from carriers is like everything else.  sometimes carriers don't do what is right
Jun 13 18:48:23 <Blu3> but yes, i would like it if oph did a bit of normalization on numbers to attempt to match to your contact
Jun 13 18:48:46 <PaulFertser> Blu3: are you sure?
Jun 13 18:49:06 <PaulFertser> Blu3: i thought that all GSM operators provide numbers in standard international format, that's with leading +
Jun 13 18:49:43 <Blu3> i can remember callerid coming in without prefixed 1
Jun 13 18:49:58 <PaulFertser> Blu3: gsm caller id or landline CID?
Jun 13 18:50:05 <Blu3> i haven't seen it recently to my recollection
Jun 13 18:50:08 <Blu3> gsm
Jun 13 18:50:28 <Blu3> i haven;t had a landline in about 10 years
Jun 13 18:50:33 <PaulFertser> Blu3: the leftmost char should always be +, i think.
Jun 13 18:50:49 <Blu3> pardon my typos, i have a bandaged finger that annoys
Jun 13 18:51:12 <Blu3> i'll keep am eye on all callerids that come in
Jun 13 18:55:00 <Yanroy> Blu3: actually, it's usually incorrect to have the leading 1 in your contacts in your phonebook.  on many phones it will refuse to dial if you do
Jun 13 18:55:08 <Yanroy> not having it _always_ works
Jun 13 18:55:19 <Blu3> i disagree
Jun 13 18:55:53 <Yanroy> well, you're free to disagree on the correctness of it, but the ratio of it working to not working is fact :)
Jun 13 18:56:02 <Blu3> and a leading 1 has always dialed for me on every phone :)
Jun 13 18:56:08 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: why are you talking about leading 1 at all? It should be leading +!
Jun 13 18:56:19 <Yanroy> that would probably cause even more issues :P
Jun 13 18:56:38 <Yanroy> but seeing as I'm from the US, I don't do much travelling in other countries like people in europe do...
Jun 13 18:56:40 <Blu3> well, according to FSO folks, your contact #s -should- be fully formed
Jun 13 18:56:44 <Yanroy> so I have little need for + numbers
Jun 13 18:57:17 <Yanroy> Blu3: so you're telling me that if I add leading 1s, my problems will go away?
Jun 13 18:57:26 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: that's standard!
Jun 13 18:57:30 <Q-Master> Hi all
Jun 13 18:57:35 <Yanroy> is it smart enough to match the non-leading-1 number from the carrier to the leading-1 number in my contacts?
Jun 13 18:57:49 <Yanroy> PaulFertser: which is standard?
Jun 13 18:57:58 <Blu3> i've no idea about your carrier.  but if you're using SHR, inbound SMS won't match up your contacts unless it does
Jun 13 18:58:01 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: having number in international format with leading "+".
Jun 13 18:58:35 <Yanroy> PaulFertser: I'd be happy to go through and add both a + and a 1 if you think it will help.  does the phone cope with it well?
Jun 13 18:58:48 <Yanroy> I really just want my SMS messages to show me who it's from so I don't have to memorize everyone's number :P
Jun 13 18:59:05 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: i think yes. I'm not sure how SHR sms app does matching though.
Jun 13 18:59:14 <Yanroy> PaulFertser: also, is the correct way to do that just add +1 to the front of the normal 10 digit number?
Jun 13 18:59:40 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: if your country code is 1, then yes, i think so.
Jun 13 19:03:40 <Yanroy> I think the US country code is 011 or something like that...
Jun 13 19:03:46 <Yanroy> I believe we just use 1 internally
Jun 13 19:05:07 <Yanroy> eh, wikipedia seems to be indicating differently
Jun 13 19:05:15 <Yanroy> maybe the 011 is the part that gets replaced by the +?
Jun 13 19:05:22 <Yanroy> who knows... I'll try adding it to some contacts
Jun 13 19:06:21 <Yanroy> gah... is there really no way to edit a phone number?  you have to delete the whole thing to get to the beginning?
Jun 13 19:06:24 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: yes, it looks like 011 should be omitted altogether
Jun 13 19:10:18 <Yanroy> my brief testing indicates that it is not smart enough to match the + numbers to non-+ numbers
Jun 13 19:10:30 <Yanroy> so I'm just going to add 1's and see what that does for me
Jun 13 19:11:45 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: do you really receive non plused numbers from the network? :-O
Jun 13 19:12:30 <Yanroy> I've never received a plussed number from the network
Jun 13 19:12:46 <Yanroy> and the presence of a leading 1 is probably about 50/50
Jun 13 19:13:08 <Yanroy> though it seems to be more like 95% present on SMS, but maybe less than 50% on caller ID
Jun 13 19:15:06 <PaulFertser> Extremely weird.
Jun 13 19:16:19 <Yanroy> I take it you're not from the US :)
Jun 13 19:17:09 <PaulFertser> Lucky me.
Jun 13 19:17:14 <Yanroy> heh... maybe
Jun 13 19:17:23 <Yanroy> where are you from?
Jun 13 19:17:28 <PaulFertser> Russia :)
Jun 13 19:17:31 <Yanroy> ah
Jun 13 19:18:28 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: and i wished i could visit the USA but your ridiculous "security" measures make me consider to refrain from it.
Jun 13 19:18:45 <Yanroy> yeah, I know what you mean... it's completely out of control
Jun 13 19:19:26 <PaulFertser> Probably Obama will change something in this regard...
Jun 13 19:19:35 <Yanroy> I doubt it
Jun 13 19:19:52 <Yanroy> he seems to be all about more government control of everything...
Jun 13 19:20:03 <Yanroy> which only leads to less freedom
Jun 13 19:20:10 <file> I was surprised at how... easy... it was to enter the US when I arrived here on Sunday
Jun 13 19:20:14 <Yanroy> "the land of the free" we are no longer...
Jun 13 19:20:29 <file> but I've gone through secondary clearance twice before so they probably have every record on me
Jun 13 19:20:55 <Yanroy> haha
Jun 13 19:20:56 <Yanroy> probably
Jun 13 19:21:34 <Yanroy> it's bad enough trying to get back in after you leave if you're a citizen... I can only imagine how hellish it must be if you're visiting
Jun 13 19:21:46 <PaulFertser> Unfortunately the usa citizens have allowed an idiot to be the head of the country for 8 years already. Probably it's even harder to change anything now (than was back then).  
Jun 13 19:21:49 <Yanroy> I haven't left the country since before they closed the border with canada
Jun 13 19:22:14 <Yanroy> eh, they're all idiots
Jun 13 19:22:19 <Yanroy> we've traded one kind of stupid for another
Jun 13 19:22:30 * file mumbles as his flight was supposed to board in 3 minutes from now but probably won't
Jun 13 19:22:34 <PaulFertser> Quite possibly.
Jun 13 19:22:39 <Yanroy> I can only hope that in the next election, the people will realize that neither the democrats nor the republicans have the answers...
Jun 13 19:23:09 <PaulFertser> Nah, _that_ is impossible.
Jun 13 19:23:19 <Yanroy> I know
Jun 13 19:23:35 <PaulFertser> We're all doomed
Jun 13 19:23:38 <Yanroy> pretty much
Jun 13 19:23:59 <file> they're trialing a system to keep track of people leaving the US now too...
Jun 13 19:24:19 <Yanroy> I think that obama believes the only way he can ressurect the economy is to have a world war, since he's basically reenacted the New Deal from the great depression and it was WWII that got us out of that...
Jun 13 19:24:30 <Yanroy> so I wouldn't be surprised if he does something stupid like attacking iran or north korea
Jun 13 19:25:09 <PaulFertser> Oh hell
Jun 13 19:25:42 * file runs away
Jun 13 19:25:54 <Yanroy> hehe
Jun 13 19:26:07 <Yanroy> in case you couldn't tell, my views are somewhat of a minority here...
Jun 13 19:26:21 <Yanroy> so don't take me as a representative of the US population
Jun 13 19:26:22 <PaulFertser> juri_!
Jun 13 19:26:32 <juri_> Paul!
Jun 13 19:26:52 <juri_> I'm back. ;)
Jun 13 19:26:55 <PaulFertser> juri_: hey, can you tell us if GSM operators in USA follow the standard and provide numbers in international format, with leading + ?
Jun 13 19:27:19 <juri_> I've never seen a + on my screen.
Jun 13 19:27:23 <PaulFertser> juri_: the new gta01 kernel is waiting for you, 2.6.29 git HEAD, mmm tasty
Jun 13 19:27:31 <juri_> ooo.
Jun 13 19:27:38 <juri_> thats what i'm herefor. ;)
Jun 13 19:27:46 <PaulFertser> juri_: what HW revision do you have?
Jun 13 19:28:36 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: (unrelated WWII question) is it true that the majority of the usa population believes that "the USA won the war"?
Jun 13 19:28:52 <PaulFertser> juri_: if it's bv4, is it red pcb or green pcb?
Jun 13 19:29:15 <juri_> hmm. seems i remember it being green. ;)
Jun 13 19:29:23 <Yanroy> PaulFertser: won which war?  WWII?
Jun 13 19:29:53 <PaulFertser> juri_: cool, then you're safe from a nasty bug that makes suspend/resume with gsm impossible.
Jun 13 19:29:56 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: yes
Jun 13 19:30:19 <Yanroy> PaulFertser: yes, I would say that's a widely held belief, consider I'd never questioned it until you asked...
Jun 13 19:30:35 <Yanroy> PaulFertser: I'm guessing you believe differently?
Jun 13 19:31:17 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: it's supposed that USSR did an overwhelming part of the "work". 
Jun 13 19:31:35 <Yanroy> PaulFertser: that's probably true... especially on the eastern front
Jun 13 19:31:47 <Yanroy> my understanding is that unknown numbers of millions of russian soldiers died
Jun 13 19:32:26 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: probably 3 times more than German soldiers, yes.
Jun 13 19:32:51 <Yanroy> I would guess that both of our respective countries have overstated their role :)  the truth is probably somewhere in the middle
Jun 13 19:33:32 <Yanroy> but that said, only the most superficial teaching of WWII would say that the US "won".  anything that goes into even moderate depth would talk very much about our allies, including USSR
Jun 13 19:33:57 <Yanroy> but seeing as the average american is only slightly more intelligent than a potted plant, most probably believe we won it single-handedly
Jun 13 19:34:08 <Defiant> lol
Jun 13 19:34:30 <SpeedEvil> s//is/is encouraged to be/
Jun 13 19:34:31 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: ok, thanks for the clarification. I asked because we have a clishe about "stupid americans who think they won WWII"
Jun 13 19:34:53 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: lol
Jun 13 19:35:08 <PaulFertser> Or is it cliche? Damn french ;)
Jun 13 19:35:19 <Yanroy> I believe it's cliche :)
Jun 13 19:35:35 <Yanroy> with an acute accent on the e, which I can't type...
Jun 13 19:35:38 <Yanroy> if you want to get fancy
Jun 13 19:35:53 <PaulFertser> Just use LaTeX notation :)
Jun 13 19:37:55 <Yanroy> this has been a very interesting conversation :)  but I must go now... ttyl
Jun 13 19:38:02 <PaulFertser> Yanroy: luck
Jun 13 19:39:29 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03rehar * r5127 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (STATUS dtc123.lib gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib): changed DTC123 pin numbering accordingly to what NXP and ON Semi. is using
Jun 13 20:22:02 <Darkas> hi
Jun 13 20:22:15 <Darkas> I'm having a very strange problem with om2009
Jun 13 20:22:56 <Darkas> with gentoo, usb networking works fine but with om2009 usb0 doesn't appear on my notebook
Jun 13 20:23:15 <Darkas> it's not my first boot
Jun 13 20:25:08 <Darkas> anybody an idea?
Jun 13 20:27:01 <max_posedon> usb0 now eth1 or ethN
Jun 13 20:27:04 <max_posedon> see dmesg
Jun 13 20:27:18 <max_posedon> its common with any distro
Jun 13 20:29:01 <Darkas> max_posedon, I don't have that device too...
Jun 13 20:29:09 <Darkas> I got only usb0 on my neo
Jun 13 20:29:16 <max_posedon> usb0 in neo
Jun 13 20:29:21 <max_posedon> but ethN on PC
Jun 13 20:29:30 <Darkas> hm.... strange
Jun 13 20:29:34 <max_posedon> see dmesg, or post it
Jun 13 20:29:39 <max_posedon> nothing strange
Jun 13 20:30:33 <Darkas> ah, now I got it
Jun 13 20:30:36 <Darkas> thank you
Jun 13 20:31:39 <Yanroy> hey, has anyone got opkg working on OM2009?
Jun 13 20:34:27 <Yanroy> on my install, it just reports a 404 for the URL where the repo is supposed to be :(
Jun 13 20:34:31 <Yanroy> so I can't install or update anything
Jun 13 20:45:24 <Yanroy> wow... GPRS actually works!!
Jun 13 20:45:39 <Yanroy> what will it do to my battery life if I leave it on all the time?
Jun 13 20:45:47 <Yanroy> or will it interfere in any other way?
Jun 13 20:49:59 <Yanroy> hmm... now if I just had opkg working so I could install a browser...
Jun 13 20:52:29 <max_posedon> Yanroy, neo will suspends if you have gprs connection on
Jun 13 20:52:38 <max_posedon> but it will wake up on every packet
Jun 13 20:53:06 <Yanroy> ?
Jun 13 20:53:06 <max_posedon> so, if no traffic - neo suspended - long battery life
Jun 13 20:53:14 <Yanroy> is there normal idle traffic?
Jun 13 20:53:21 <Yanroy> or is it only if I'm using it?
Jun 13 20:53:31 <max_posedon> only if you using it
Jun 13 20:53:35 <Yanroy> sweet
Jun 13 20:53:41 <Yanroy> so there's no reason not to have it on
Jun 13 20:54:02 <max_posedon> I hope your provider doesn't send you magic packets (my - don't)
Jun 13 20:54:09 <Yanroy> who knows :P
Jun 13 20:54:11 <Yanroy> it's AT&T
Jun 13 20:54:27 <Yanroy> I don't suppose you can clue me in on how to fix opkg?
Jun 13 20:54:44 <max_posedon> sorry, I'm shr user
Jun 13 20:54:52 <max_posedon> but what problem you have?
Jun 13 20:55:53 <Yanroy> I type "opkg update" in the terminal
Jun 13 20:56:09 <Yanroy> and it says "downloading packages" or somesuch
Jun 13 20:56:16 <Yanroy> then it says "failed downloading blah, error 404"
Jun 13 20:56:41 <Yanroy> I've been to variations on the URL in my browser and it seems that there just isn't a repo there
Jun 13 20:56:50 <Yanroy> there are repos for other distributions and such
Jun 13 20:56:54 <Yanroy> but not for OM2009
Jun 13 20:57:03 <Yanroy> unless it's one of "unstable" or "testing" or somesuch
Jun 13 20:57:14 <max_posedon> in first
Jun 13 20:57:22 <max_posedon> flush latest testing image
Jun 13 20:57:39 <max_posedon> I think you won't need second)
Jun 13 20:58:14 <Yanroy> huh?
Jun 13 20:58:45 <Yanroy> you want me to re-flash with something?
Jun 13 20:59:10 <max_posedon> yes
Jun 13 20:59:25 <max_posedon> I want ask you flash latest OM2009
Jun 13 20:59:57 <Yanroy> I believe I have the latest
Jun 13 21:00:03 <Yanroy> it's dated may 21
Jun 13 21:00:26 <Yanroy> if there's a newer one, I don't know where to find it
Jun 13 21:05:42 <Yanroy> the URL that opkg is trying to access is a valid folder, and it's right next to seemingly-valid repos, it's just empty
Jun 13 21:05:50 <Yanroy> I'm thinking some nightly build script or something is busted
Jun 13 21:06:36 <max_posedon> you can try http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/daily/NeoFreerunner/
Jun 13 21:07:19 <Yanroy> that'a a new image, right?
Jun 13 21:07:30 <Yanroy> not a repo
Jun 13 21:07:39 <max_posedon> yep
Jun 13 21:07:58 <max_posedon> I'm not sure that its stable
Jun 13 21:08:05 <Yanroy> I don't think it is
Jun 13 21:08:16 <max_posedon> but I always prefer helps people with upstream stuff
Jun 13 21:08:18 <Yanroy> someone in #paroli told me they can't hear ringing calls nor answer calls with that image
Jun 13 21:08:31 <max_posedon> oh.. so didn't flash it)
Jun 13 21:08:40 <Yanroy> I really just want a web browser :P
Jun 13 21:08:46 <max_posedon> but he might be jokes
Jun 13 21:08:47 <Yanroy> would that be fairly standard across distributions?
Jun 13 21:08:53 <max_posedon> *joked
Jun 13 21:08:56 <Yanroy> like, could I grab a package from another distro?
Jun 13 21:08:58 <max_posedon> midori
Jun 13 21:09:00 <max_posedon> yes
Jun 13 21:09:16 <Yanroy> is midori the name of the browser?
Jun 13 21:09:36 <max_posedon> yes
Jun 13 21:10:08 <Yanroy> which repo do you recommend I pull from?
Jun 13 21:10:32 <max_posedon> I use shr-unstable
Jun 13 21:11:39 <Yanroy> k... maybe I'll give that a try
Jun 13 21:12:02 <Yanroy> do you know if the bug where the phone stops being able to receive SMS some time after booting has been fixed?
Jun 13 21:22:34 <DocScrutinizer2> ~log
Jun 13 21:22:34 <apt> log is, like, http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowhead/
Jun 13 21:22:56 <DocScrutinizer2> nslu2-log: ?
Jun 13 21:23:17 <DocScrutinizer2> nslu2-log: info
Jun 13 21:24:00 <DocScrutinizer2>  fsck idiot robot
Jun 13 21:29:55 <bluelightning> ~logs
Jun 13 21:29:55 <apt> All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged.
Jun 13 23:03:54 <Yanroy> hi guys... the SMS bug seems to still exist... is there a workaround?
Jun 13 23:04:07 <Yanroy> I'm referring to the one where the phone seems to stop receiving SMS after a while
Jun 13 23:04:11 <Yanroy> the only solution I know of is a reboot
Jun 13 23:04:38 <Yanroy> which on 2008.10 seemed to make me get my missed messages after it rebooted, but on 2009, it seems like the messages are lost...
Jun 14 00:50:07 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03rehar * r5128 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: Review of k4m51323pe and pcf50633-04-n3
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