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Jun 18 05:50:08 <Q-Master> Hi All!
Jun 18 06:01:29 <leila> Good morning
Jun 18 06:04:08 <leila> Did zhone have a battery indicator?
Jun 18 06:10:18 <Q-Master> leila: not sure.
Jun 18 06:11:30 <leila> Q-Master: there seems to be a tickbox for it in the config behind the top buttons
Jun 18 06:12:08 <Q-Master> leila: I'm not using it anyway. I use SHR for now
Jun 18 06:14:06 <leila> I realy should look better, "requires restart" is stated in the config panel
Jun 18 07:35:41 <Psi_> PaulFertser: just so you know, im still here. Got a bit busy over the last week. Will be doing more gta01 power testing in the next few days
Jun 18 07:56:31 <DrRabbit> hi
Jun 18 07:56:37 <DrRabbit> is there a workaround for this yet? http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1621
Jun 18 08:00:44 <Heinervdm> I tought WSOD was fixed...
Jun 18 08:03:34 <DrRabbit> how? I still get it with the latest distros
Jun 18 08:09:32 <ChristW> The instructions on the Wiki about playing back video on the FreeRunner talk about 'opkg install ffmepeg', but it seems it's not in a 'standard' repository. In which repository can I find ffmpeg?
Jun 18 08:10:12 <leila> aint that a typo in the install command ?
Jun 18 08:10:50 <DrRabbit> should be 'opkg install ffmpeg'
Jun 18 08:11:12 <ChristW> Yes, that was a typo...
Jun 18 08:28:58 <ChristW> ...but anyway, 'opkg install ffmpeg' does give me the same error, namely that the package cannot be found.
Jun 18 08:37:38 <Q-Master> ChristW: what distro?
Jun 18 08:37:52 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5136 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/pcf50633-04-n3.lib: Fix pin positions of PMU chip
Jun 18 08:38:20 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5137 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: More work on PMU - output stages
Jun 18 08:44:49 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03werner * r5138 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (make-junctions-larger-on-plotps.patch series): Added Alvie's junction enlargement patch.
Jun 18 08:45:22 <leila> hmm are does commit messages about hardware ?
Jun 18 08:45:55 <leila> those*
Jun 18 08:46:12 <ChristW> Q-master: OM2009t5
Jun 18 08:47:20 <DrRabbit> so anyone have any idea about how to fix WSOD?
Jun 18 08:47:26 <DrRabbit> is it a hardware problem by chance?
Jun 18 08:47:34 <DrRabbit> i'm now reflashing Qi
Jun 18 08:47:39 <DrRabbit> see if that works
Jun 18 08:47:43 <Q-Master> ChristW: there is no ffmpeg and seems won't be
Jun 18 08:47:49 <Q-Master> ChristW: use SHR
Jun 18 08:48:06 <ChristW> Ok, too bad about video playback then!
Jun 18 08:48:20 <Q-Master> not really
Jun 18 08:53:41 <DrRabbit> yep, reflashing Qi fixed WSOD it seems
Jun 18 08:54:09 <ChristW> WSOD _may_ have something to to with device temperature being too low.
Jun 18 08:56:55 <DrRabbit> Oh, trust me, i'm never anywhere too cool.
Jun 18 08:57:09 * DrRabbit lives in Arizona
Jun 18 08:57:15 <ChristW> You keep it busy :-)
Jun 18 08:57:18 <ChristW> Ah.
Jun 18 08:58:44 <DrRabbit> yep, reflashing Qi works.
Jun 18 09:07:28 <DrRabbit> ah hell!
Jun 18 09:07:33 <DrRabbit> no it doesn't.
Jun 18 09:08:21 <DrRabbit> it just waits until Qt Extended actually goes into suspend, rather than just doing it when it turns off the display
Jun 18 09:08:26 <DrRabbit> which is progress :/
Jun 18 12:29:45 <leila> does anyone know the chroot command to get into the debian install from the nand ? I want to set a new root password since the default does not seem to work
Jun 18 12:31:52 <ndnihil> chroot <dir>
Jun 18 12:32:09 <leila> where dir would lead to the "/"
Jun 18 12:32:19 <ndnihil> wherever your debian install is
Jun 18 12:33:21 <leila> thanks
Jun 18 12:33:49 <leila> now to see if it has worked
Jun 18 12:55:54 <andylockran> hey guys
Jun 18 14:12:43 <leila_> to use LXDE I should replace the zhone part with lxde in .xsession ?
Jun 18 15:04:17 <leila_> I must say this is a realy fun device to use
Jun 18 15:05:17 <Ainulindale> leila_: Until it fails, but hey, still fun to hunt that :-)
Jun 18 15:09:47 <leila_> Ainulindale, fail how ?
Jun 18 15:10:00 <Ainulindale> For one reason or another :-)
Jun 18 15:10:04 <Ainulindale> Bugs happen
Jun 18 15:11:28 <leila_> ah I was thinking along the lines of smoke and fire
Jun 18 15:13:56 <Ainulindale> leila_: nah that's only when you listen to DocScrutinizer2 advices on how to power up your devices with your tongue and some basic "Volta-like" battery
Jun 18 15:14:01 <leila_> why does tangogps lack a close button ~_~
Jun 18 15:14:11 <leila_> ;)
Jun 18 15:14:28 <SpeedEvil> leila_: It auto-closes when you go to 0N 0W
Jun 18 15:14:36 <SpeedEvil> So there isn't a need for a close button.
Jun 18 15:14:55 <leila_> what is OW ?
Jun 18 15:15:03 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: smoke won't be from FR then ;-D
Jun 18 15:15:32 <Ainulindale> SpeedEvil: that's quite dumb :-)
Jun 18 15:15:33 <SpeedEvil> leila_: 0 north 0 west
Jun 18 15:15:44 <SpeedEvil> leila_: it's a point off the west coast of africa
Jun 18 15:15:55 <SpeedEvil> on the equator, south from grenwich.
Jun 18 15:16:50 <DocScrutinizer2> leila_: you always got closebutton in illume-bar dropdown
Jun 18 15:17:23 <leila_> DocScrutinizer2, I installed ldxe instead 
Jun 18 15:18:05 <leila_> and the point is that I can not see the zhone interface which makes it kinda hard to make a call
Jun 18 15:18:19 <Ainulindale> Well don't use zhone then :-p
Jun 18 15:20:08 <leila_> and still an application that you can not close is odd
Jun 18 15:20:31 <Ainulindale> leila_: well your window manager is, sadly, not able to handle that
Jun 18 15:20:42 <Ainulindale> several applications don't have a close or exit button
Jun 18 15:20:47 <Ainulindale> the window manager allows them to be closed
Jun 18 15:21:04 <leila_> I see
Jun 18 15:21:13 <leila_> good 'ol kill -9 did the trick tho
Jun 18 15:22:30 <leila_> and guessing I shall replace the window manager then
Jun 18 15:24:01 <leila_> also wondering why wicd and wifi-radar do not display any ui
Jun 18 15:51:51 <andylockran> I've just tried using SHR with the neo1973.. and not having much luck.  Anyone recommend a combination of kernel/rootfs that will allow me to have a GUI and basic usage.
Jun 18 15:52:23 <playya> latest
Jun 18 15:52:42 <ndnihil> unstable from the 6th has been pretty good for me
Jun 18 15:52:50 <ndnihil> with an upgraded dbus 
Jun 18 15:52:51 <andylockran> on teh neo1973 ?
Jun 18 15:52:59 <leila_> sadly I have to go again
Jun 18 15:53:01 <leila_> bye all
Jun 18 15:53:02 <ndnihil> gta02
Jun 18 15:53:05 <ndnihil> the freerunner
Jun 18 15:53:06 <andylockran> I have gta01
Jun 18 15:53:17 <ndnihil> I think they do a port for the 01
Jun 18 15:53:25 <ndnihil> s/port/release/
Jun 18 15:53:25 <apt> ndnihil meant: I think they do a release for the 01
Jun 18 15:53:27 <andylockran> the kernel is too large for my /boot partition.
Jun 18 15:53:30 * ndnihil stabs apt
Jun 18 15:54:19 <ndnihil> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01/
Jun 18 15:54:21 <ndnihil> you try that?
Jun 18 15:54:40 <ndnihil> it would be a bit silly of them to offer a release for the 01 with a kernel that is too large for it
Jun 18 15:54:58 <andylockran> ndnihil: it would.. but yeah - didn't try unstable.. just testing.
Jun 18 16:17:22 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0788bd198611 10/framework/resource.py: resource: fix checkedasyncmethod to properly raise errors
Jun 18 16:21:40 <andylockran> which is the shr-unstable rootfs image to match the uImage-om-gta01-latest.bin kernel ?
Jun 18 16:35:20 <Heinervdm> andylockran: have a look at the date
Jun 18 16:35:34 <linuxxr> it should be a .jffs2 file in the same ftp dir
Jun 18 16:36:01 <linuxxr> or a .summery is the same
Jun 18 16:37:14 <linuxxr> some of the .bin can be 3-4 days older
Jun 18 16:37:47 <andylockran> I'm using a gta01.. so going for the lite version of shr in unstable.
Jun 18 16:38:20 <andylockran> shr-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20090610-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 is that likely to be correct.. I don't get the ference to glibc
Jun 18 16:38:28 <linuxxr> if u sort the list by date it simplifies the  task
Jun 18 16:39:14 <andylockran> ah yes
Jun 18 16:44:27 <PBeck> ahoi
Jun 18 17:04:47 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8ee6e0b3a88e 10/misc-vapi/ (4 files in 2 dirs): start adding some tests for the vapis
Jun 18 17:13:57 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1021a02cb8b3 10/misc-vapi/ (4 files in 3 dirs): misc-vapi: check for alsa; start with alsa wrapper for Vala
Jun 18 17:45:57 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r279e9bc13081 10/libfsoframework/configure.ac: libfsoframework: fix typo in error message
Jun 18 18:35:37 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5139 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: PMU (ongoing)
Jun 18 18:46:19 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5140 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: PMU (ongoing)
Jun 18 19:33:31 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8dd7cf161d86 10/misc-vapi/ (4 files in 2 dirs): misc-vapi: first bits of alsa enumeration done
Jun 18 19:34:59 <PaulFertser> Psi_: nice to hear :)
Jun 18 19:41:26 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5141 10/trunk/gta02-core/gta02-core.pro: Add btp-03ja4g library
Jun 18 19:46:43 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re9a91ca0a978 10/misc-vapi/ (tests/testalsa.vala vapi/libasound.vapi): misc-vapi: alsa: enumerate controls
Jun 18 20:08:47 <Ian00> is there any where to buy an extra battery for the freerunner?
Jun 18 20:10:41 <ajvogel> The wiki page lists some compatible nokia batteries
Jun 18 20:11:15 <PaulFertser> ajvogel: but they don't report their charge level and FR doesn't have a good way to even monitor battery voltage.
Jun 18 20:11:34 <Ian00> i got an email about the manufacturer fixing a sound buzz in my hardware revision. I don't really notice it, but they give out an extra battery, so I'm thinking of doing it.
Jun 18 20:12:10 <PaulFertser> Ian00: you can't notice buzz. Buzz (if any) is always heard by the other side.
Jun 18 20:12:15 <mmontour> This morning I sent my phone in for the SDG buzzfix
Jun 18 20:12:19 <Ian00> ahhh, i see
Jun 18 20:12:37 <PaulFertser> Ian00: and all devices have buzz, it's just that in some network conditions it doesn't occur.
Jun 18 20:12:50 <Ian00> ok, i'm sending it in :)
Jun 18 20:12:51 <Ian00> thanks
Jun 18 20:13:24 <mmontour> You can also buy batteries from some of the resellers
Jun 18 20:13:24 <ajvogel> Hmm, I got my freerunner about three weeks ago. Will it also have buzz?
Jun 18 20:13:38 <PaulFertser> ajvogel: what hardware revision?
Jun 18 20:13:40 <Ian00> ajvogel, check your hardware revision. probably not
Jun 18 20:14:14 <Ian00> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finding_hardware_revision
Jun 18 20:14:20 <PaulFertser> ajvogel: and if it's A6 i think there's no better way than to ask your distributor or to open the front part of the case and see for yourself.
Jun 18 20:14:38 <Ian00> you can also use your in-phone terminal
Jun 18 20:14:38 <Weiss> Ian00: in Europe, at least Truebox and Pulster sell spare batteries. Truebox sent me a free one with my debug board :)
Jun 18 20:15:02 <Ian00> :), i got a debug board with my phone, but no extra battery
Jun 18 20:16:36 <ajvogel> How would I use the terminal?
Jun 18 20:16:49 <PaulFertser> ajvogel: just do cat /proc/cpuinfo
Jun 18 20:17:32 <ajvogel> PaulFertser: Thanx, booting up. Wil check now
Jun 18 20:18:17 <rhkfin> Community Updates up&running again:  http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049876.html <-- <-- <-- your help is needed!
Jun 18 20:20:51 <ajvogel> PaulFertser: It says Revision: 0360
Jun 18 20:21:34 <randomnametotest> ajvogel: then you need to take off the front case panel to know if you have a buzz fix or not.
Jun 18 20:24:14 <ajvogel> PaulF|bipless: Ok, thanx. Not an issue at the moment so will do it later
Jun 18 20:24:55 <PaulF|bipless> ajvogel: do you have a torx screwdriver? If yes, then taking off the front panel is damn easy.
Jun 18 20:25:23 <PaulF|bipless> ajvogel: and i'd suggest you to apply some PDA screen protector, the sooner the better; and for that you need to take off the front panel anyway.
Jun 18 20:25:42 <SpeedEvil> you don't need to - but it's better and easier to
Jun 18 20:25:54 <SpeedEvil> You can fit a precisely cut protector
Jun 18 20:26:04 <PaulF|bipless> SpeedEvil: i can't see how can one apply screen protector in a decent way without disassembly.
Jun 18 20:26:29 <PaulF|bipless> SpeedEvil: that precision of cutting and applying is too much to require from an ordinary man. ;)
Jun 18 20:26:30 <ajvogel> I tried, and got it on scew :/
Jun 18 20:26:34 <SpeedEvil> you get one/cut one the precise right size, then apply it perfectly.
Jun 18 20:27:18 <PaulF|bipless> SpeedEvil: "precise" and "perfectly" is a much harder than taking off the front panel. Much :)
Jun 18 20:28:16 <SpeedEvil> and, yes.
Jun 18 20:28:30 <SpeedEvil> But you can remove/reattach them easily
Jun 18 20:30:19 <PaulF|bipless> For that one needs to cut it very pricisely first. I don't see any sense in doing it.
Jun 18 20:31:14 <ajvogel> It does make alot more sense in taking of the cover first
Jun 18 21:05:46 <Marcello9001> hello
Jun 18 21:07:50 <Marcello9001> somebody use tangogps? how can i export POIs from tangoGPS?
Jun 18 22:06:17 <joejoe> Marcello9001, probably the only way is directly to read them from ~/.tangogps/poi.db, it is sqlite file. The http://relet.net/data/loc2tango.py is good point to start for you..
Jun 18 23:10:01 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r006d488bc97b 10/misc-vapi/ (tests/testalsa.vala vapi/libasound.vapi): misc-vapi: alsa: dump scenario now works
Jun 18 23:50:09 <asciiforever> hey folks...  i flashed om2009 testing 5 and then the usb ethernet interface didn't seem to work anymore.  sound familiar?  am i just dumb?
Jun 19 00:36:30 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5fe8743e1cd4 10/misc-vapi/ (tests/testalsa.vala vapi/libasound.vapi): misc-vapi: alsa: restoring mixer states works now
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