**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 21 03:00:04 2009 Jun 21 03:55:45 does anyone else get I/O errors when using wpa_supplicant? Jun 21 04:42:18 shall i install ther new paroli? Jun 21 04:50:33 yeno Jun 21 07:07:52 hi anyone up ...? Jun 21 07:17:31 d1b: nope Jun 21 07:21:37 PaulFertser: do you know anything about the panicing android images/ Jun 21 07:22:17 d1b: kernel panics? Jun 21 07:22:38 er never mind found the info ^ Jun 21 07:22:40 ^ Jun 21 07:22:48 d1b: i'd recommend against android Jun 21 07:23:13 d1b: so, what about panics? I'm interested to hear kernel-level stuff Jun 21 07:24:46 PaulFertser: i'm fed up with debian being too soft and shr suckings re contacts Jun 21 07:27:12 d1b: android will suck anyway because it was designed to sell shit. Go to http://www.android.com/ and see for yourself. It is not free software project, it's just proprietary OS using Linux, the kernel, that happens to be "open source". Jun 21 07:28:11 PaulFertser: thank you i know Jun 21 07:28:26 if you can help me fix my alsa config issue for my debian phone that would be fine too Jun 21 07:28:31 atm it sucks on loudness Jun 21 07:28:39 i can't hear them Jun 21 07:29:06 d1b: so, you hear the other side but the volume is very low? Jun 21 07:29:45 d1b: have you seen this diagram: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:WM8753_routing_diagram_alsa_controls.png ? Jun 21 07:29:49 PaulFertser: volume is really low Jun 21 07:29:56 PaulFertser: yeah ... um that's impossible to use Jun 21 07:30:13 i just want a button to push or a file to load into alsa Jun 21 07:31:12 d1b: If you look at the diagram you'll see alsa controls that affect handset earpiece volume (the earpiece is connected to LOUT2/ROUT2). Jun 21 07:32:13 d1b: different gta02 hardware revisions have different earpiece volume due to the unnecessary capacitor in the path. And it's impossible to tell which are equipped with that "feature" and which are not. So one just has to adjust the volume to his liking. Jun 21 07:32:20 PaulFertser: dude... to complex i just want to modify one thing. Jun 21 07:32:28 its a v5 i think Jun 21 07:32:38 gta02v5/4 oene of those Jun 21 07:33:16 d1b: It's impossible to tell based on hardware revision, unfortunately. Just tweak the volume setting, that's all. Jun 21 07:33:52 PaulFertser: i did Jun 21 07:33:55 doesn't do anything Jun 21 07:34:29 d1b: put your alsa state online during call. issue AT+CLVL? during call and tell us the output Jun 21 07:34:48 lindi-: it is maximised in recent fso versions Jun 21 07:35:27 lindi-: i'm not sure how to do that ;) Jun 21 07:35:47 d1b: have you used alsa before? Jun 21 07:35:56 lindi-: a lil Jun 21 07:36:12 d1b: "alsactl -f state store" Jun 21 07:36:19 ok Jun 21 07:36:25 do you wanta copy of that? Jun 21 07:36:32 d1b: yep Jun 21 07:36:39 when i dial? / in call? Jun 21 07:38:22 its called state yes? Jun 21 07:38:22 d1b: in call Jun 21 07:38:27 oh one sec Jun 21 07:38:49 lindi-: why do you think +CLVL is the right knob to tweak? Jun 21 07:39:07 PaulFertser: since I've heard paroli cycles it during call if you touch AUX Jun 21 07:39:33 lindi-: yes, it does. But it doesn't mean it's the right method, does it? Jun 21 07:39:39 lindi-: is paroli on debian / how is kapula doing alsa? Jun 21 07:39:50 PaulFertser: no but if it sets AT+CLVL way too low you can't fix that with alsa? Jun 21 07:39:59 d1b: kapula does not touch AT+CLVL Jun 21 07:40:17 d1b: so it has default value of AT+CLVL=127 I think? You could increase that Jun 21 07:40:39 lindi-: i haven't tried kapula in a bit Jun 21 07:40:44 does it do sim unlocking? Jun 21 07:40:56 d1b: it just send the pin that is in file Jun 21 07:40:58 lindi-: sure. Jun 21 07:41:06 oh neat Jun 21 07:41:19 anyways um.. Jun 21 07:41:30 http://pastebin.com/m4d05a43f and Jun 21 07:41:59 http://pastebin.com/d3b101f0b Jun 21 07:42:08 + where is kapula ;) ? Jun 21 07:42:32 it looks yummy. Jun 21 07:43:09 d1b: you have wrong state file. Jun 21 07:43:35 http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/darcs/kapula/ yes ? Jun 21 07:43:38 lindi-: oh really? Jun 21 07:43:49 how should i update / fix that Jun 21 07:43:50 d1b: yes Jun 21 07:43:57 d1b: you should use http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new Jun 21 07:44:28 mm ok Jun 21 07:47:35 lindi-: do you have sms / contact dumping tools as well? Jun 21 07:48:40 d1b: in iki.fi/lindi/openmoko i think Jun 21 07:50:16 shoudl i use gsmhandset-lindi.state i take it that is what you are using Jun 21 07:51:09 d1b: no no, use the one from the bug Jun 21 07:51:19 ok. Jun 21 07:51:28 d1b: you might want to tune it a bit but start from the default Jun 21 07:51:36 d1b: with "diff" tool you can see what I changed slightly Jun 21 07:52:24 lindi-: yes i'm just doing a colour diff on your changes to kapula now ;) Jun 21 07:53:35 d1b: ah yes, darcs uses colors :) Jun 21 07:54:31 lindi-: i wasn't looking at darcs Jun 21 07:54:47 where is the repo? Jun 21 07:55:04 d1b: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/darcs/kapula/ is the repo Jun 21 07:55:16 the pretty ness? Jun 21 07:55:21 no web diffs? Jun 21 07:55:36 d1b: i don't use the darcsweb cgi due to security issues Jun 21 07:55:49 lindi-: oh... Jun 21 07:55:56 d1b: but you can run your own darcs client :) Jun 21 07:56:03 lindi-: i don't :( Jun 21 07:56:26 what's the sha1sum meant to be of the latest kapula meant to be pho? Jun 21 07:56:28 toxx__: hey Jun 21 07:56:48 toxx__: what about that gta01 SDHC Qi issue we were talking about? Jun 21 07:56:54 d1b: "pho"? Jun 21 07:57:15 tho* Jun 21 07:57:52 Hi, anyone here that can help fixing the om2009v5 19June branch's wifi? Jun 21 07:57:54 I cannot see the wireless networks in the settings. If I use iwlist I can see them properly Jun 21 07:58:02 d1b: hmm? ;) Jun 21 07:58:42 lindi-: i'm just looking to see a sha1sum or something ;) i haven't reviewed the python code Jun 21 07:58:53 only noticied that pin thing now. really cool Jun 21 07:59:04 so i put my pin that file ? and that's it Jun 21 07:59:26 mokowifi: i think that's likely to be answered on #paroli channel Jun 21 07:59:56 waited for some time now, no ans there :( Jun 21 08:00:34 mokowifi: it's weekend, probably you need to retry on monday. Jun 21 08:02:46 d1b: yep Jun 21 08:03:59 and the phonebok? Jun 21 08:04:07 does that improt to the sim or is that off the sim? Jun 21 08:04:55 d1b: it reads it from .kapula/phonebook.txt Jun 21 08:05:06 so what format is that ? Jun 21 08:05:11 just plain text? Jun 21 08:05:11 name: number Jun 21 08:05:13 yep Jun 21 08:05:15 k Jun 21 08:05:35 actually without the space "name:number" Jun 21 09:16:45 lindi-: question does kapula read smses / contacts ? Jun 21 09:16:57 don't see it doing that atm. Jun 21 09:20:25 cuz i want to make some mods now that i see how easy this looks ;) and stuff Jun 21 09:32:43 lindi-: can i query you? Jun 21 10:07:09 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r2f65dfff01da 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: fix tracebacks in few dbus methods Jun 21 10:07:11 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r499258d63aaa 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: add stub for single_message_matches Jun 21 10:15:40 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r3cb934d45d2f 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: SMS fields now starts with _sms_*, not _backend_*. Only SIM ID stays _backend_entry_id Jun 21 10:42:24 hallo Jun 21 11:27:50 Hello all. How do I find out which hardware version of the neo freerunner I have? Jun 21 11:28:09 Cat /proc/cpuingo I think tells you as much as the hardare can Jun 21 11:28:32 If you're asking 'have I got buzzfix' - you basically have to open it Jun 21 11:29:15 Thanks SpeedEvil, is this documented on the wiki somewhere? Jun 21 11:29:48 What am I looking for to see if it's buzzfixed Jun 21 11:30:06 I'm guessing it's not because I'm getting buzz. Jun 21 11:30:26 hello, what is the latest release that my Neo1973 Bv4 can successfully run? :) Jun 21 11:31:10 http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/Neo1973/ < --- this should be right place? Jun 21 11:38:45 openmoko: 03werner * r5168 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (AUTHORS components/STATUS components/gta02-core-expanded.lib): Jun 21 11:38:45 openmoko: Added Alvaro's new GPS components to STATUS and AUTHORS. Jun 21 11:38:45 openmoko: Regenerated expanded lib. Jun 21 11:55:43 oh, a console-only root image, I dig that :) Jun 21 12:03:52 hmm, as looking at the HW part of Neo1973, am I understanding correctly that when the display is off it isn't drawing any massive power like in the start? Jun 21 12:20:12 the display can be off while the rest of the system is acrtive Jun 21 12:24:04 SpeedEvil, Could you tell me how to check for buzzfix? Jun 21 12:27:51 See the GSM_buzz page on the wiki Jun 21 12:27:57 then look at the first PDF Jun 21 12:28:26 SpeedEvil, ok thanks Jun 21 12:29:13 dissasemble, then look at teh board, to see if it has a large capacitor and jumper wire on like pag ee5 Jun 21 12:31:35 SpeedEvil, Alright, Do you know offhand what screwdriver I need to open my freerunner?, I bought a screwdriver for my previous cellphone but it's not the same. Jun 21 12:34:02 torx t7 I think Jun 21 12:34:06 it's something torx Jun 21 12:34:10 however, I forget Jun 21 12:34:14 search wiki for torx Jun 21 12:38:52 SpeedEvil, Great, I found it Jun 21 12:40:14 :) Jun 21 12:48:20 feugan3333: TX6 Jun 21 13:07:42 DocScrutinizer, Thanks :) I'm off to purchase one now Jun 21 13:07:59 np Jun 21 13:35:01 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r78608c108cd6 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_info/plugin.vala: A little change to debug message Jun 21 13:55:37 Good afternoon everyone! Jun 21 13:56:34 I dropped in yesterday, but I was in a hurry to leave, so I didn't get to solve my Illume-problem... I opkg upgraded Om2009t4 to t5, and now Illume keeps crashing. Jun 21 13:57:55 Where does illume keep its log, so that I can see what's going wrong? Jun 21 14:58:19 i got little problems with illume Jun 21 14:58:39 i switched the standart Qtopia Keyboard off, to use the Illume Jun 21 14:59:12 the wiki says, i must the keyboard switch from none to default in the illume settings Jun 21 14:59:20 i can find any illume settings Jun 21 14:59:26 wich File? o_0' Jun 21 15:10:27 nobody want help me? Jun 21 15:23:53 ok, i found the answer Jun 21 15:24:42 illume rocks Jun 21 15:26:25 pandoras_: congratulation. Jun 21 15:30:09 Jeah! i love my new Phone :D Jun 21 15:30:18 it makes everything possible Jun 21 15:52:37 pandoras_, what distro you running? Jun 21 15:57:59 feugan3333: the standart OM-OS Jun 21 15:59:31 The one preloaded? That's om2007, I think Jun 21 16:00:37 wouldn't be om2007 if it's got illume Jun 21 16:00:47 that was still gtk based Jun 21 16:01:18 might be that the newer ones are shipping with om2008 I guess Jun 21 16:01:31 Ah, ok that makes sense. Jun 21 16:01:51 Mine came with om 2007, and I received it a week ago. Jun 21 16:02:00 maybe not then :) Jun 21 16:02:14 He must have upgraded :) Jun 21 16:02:19 yeah Jun 21 16:03:00 Can you run useful applications on om2009, which repository should you use? Jun 21 16:04:09 afaik, akk fr came out with om2007 Jun 21 16:04:15 feugan3333: i download the package files directly from opgk.org Jun 21 16:04:25 s/akk/all Jun 21 16:04:49 you can these install directly with the kommand opkg install Jun 21 16:05:27 the first Thing i do, was flashing the NOR Memory with the newest images Jun 21 16:05:47 pandoras_, ok. Jun 21 16:06:16 and the first Problem was the connection with the Phone over usb Jun 21 16:06:36 if the connection not work, turn the suspend mode off Jun 21 16:06:57 pandoras_, ok I'm connecting over wireless. Jun 21 16:07:16 Hi all... When I access 'People' in OM2009 T5, I get no contacts, and the buttons in the window do nothing. (I have to terminate it through Illume). Traceback here: http://www.pastebin.ca/1468887 . Anyone got the same problem? Jun 21 16:07:16 o_0' that works? cool, i never testing this Jun 21 16:07:44 !opkg gps Jun 21 16:08:40 wuhuu... i can mount the Card, and Copy all my Music over my localhost by downloading over the Browser :P Jun 21 16:08:41 pandoras_, Yeah it works, how do you turn suspend off? For me using Paroli does not work to turn suspend off Jun 21 16:09:14 settings > Suspend - off Jun 21 16:09:52 i got the Problem in the Suspend mode, that the Networking want work Jun 21 16:10:39 pandoras_: s/NOR/NAND/ ! ;-) Jun 21 16:10:52 hm.. i can may with wget copy the complete Musik in to the Card :D Jun 21 16:10:52 pandoras_, I think we are running different versions. I'm running 2009 Jun 21 16:11:24 possible... Jun 21 16:11:30 toxx__: ping Jun 21 16:11:32 beniwtv, I have that problem too Jun 21 16:11:54 -_- i forgot the commands to mount devices xD Jun 21 16:11:56 brb read Wiki Jun 21 16:12:59 feugan3333: Good to know I'm not the only one _P Jun 21 16:13:14 beniwtv, :) Jun 21 16:13:41 hm.. the Card was automatic mountet Jun 21 16:13:52 openmoko: 03werner * r5169 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (Makefile components/Makefile expanded/Makefile): Jun 21 16:13:52 openmoko: Added convenience make target "make sch" to all places where we have a Jun 21 16:13:52 openmoko: set of schematics. Jun 21 16:13:58 i belive is was mountet, it stands in the Wiki Jun 21 16:14:03 pandoras_: :-P Jun 21 16:14:37 pandoras_: cmd `mount` might help Jun 21 16:14:58 it is mountet in /media/card Jun 21 16:15:03 openmoko: 03werner * r5170 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib sc32442.lib): Rearranged SC32442-SDRAM according to Luke's schematics. Jun 21 16:15:11 is pissile a standart Entry in the "fstab?" Jun 21 16:15:35 or wich file was using to automatic mounting on Systemstart? Jun 21 16:15:49 I think udev does that Jun 21 16:16:06 not sure about though - but it's not fstab afaik Jun 21 16:16:16 DocScrutinizer: udev doesn't mount anything by itself. Jun 21 16:16:20 possible, but i want read more about only i get Problems xD Jun 21 16:16:55 DocScrutinizer: except when it has some special tweaked config Jun 21 16:17:08 /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type vfat (rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1) Jun 21 16:17:24 PaulFertser: we have *all* config special tweaked on OM ;-P Jun 21 16:17:26 time to copy Music :D Jun 21 16:17:51 ps -ef|grep automount Jun 21 16:18:36 thx Jun 21 16:18:53 Anyway, anyone can recommend a particular web browser and IM app? Jun 21 16:19:15 beniwtv: Dillo as browser Jun 21 16:19:30 is fucking fast and small, i testet it Jun 21 16:19:35 IM == pidgin (sucks) / xchat (needs some config tweaking) Jun 21 16:19:38 pidgin as IM Jun 21 16:19:45 lol k, no pidgin Jun 21 16:19:53 pandoras_: Is it in the repos? Jun 21 16:20:04 xchat = IRC Jun 21 16:20:05 DocScrutinizer: is possible join irc over telnet xD Jun 21 16:20:46 pandoras_: yeah, doing my POP3 like that all the time Jun 21 16:20:48 beniwtv: http://www.opkg.org/package_24.html << copy the command Jun 21 16:21:47 opkg install xchat Jun 21 16:23:16 for your convenience (and for mine ;-) : opkg install http://misc.andi.de1.cc/dillo/dillo-ssl_2.0-r0_armv4t.opk Jun 21 16:23:44 pandoras_: Hmm.. the above command says it's missing libcrypto and libssl :( Jun 21 16:23:45 pandoras_, I did opkg install dillo, and then I get an icon in illume, but when I try to start it I get the following error: [en]lightenment was unable to run the application dillo Jun 21 16:24:13 Anyone able to tell me what I'm doing wrong? Jun 21 16:25:17 feugan3333: Try to run it from a terminal, maybe it's giving some errors... Jun 21 16:25:19 feugan3333: try to run it from terminal? Jun 21 16:25:29 lol Jun 21 16:25:31 ok Jun 21 16:25:57 PaulFertser: you forgot the "a" ;-P Jun 21 16:26:31 DocScrutinizer: It was intended that way. He didn't want to sound exactly like me :P Jun 21 16:26:41 Ok, I'm missing the shared library libfltk2_images.so, so opkg is not picking up the right dependencies? Jun 21 16:26:52 beniwtv: :-D Jun 21 16:27:12 DocScrutinizer: :D Jun 21 16:28:24 feugan3333: seems that's a valid explanation. ipkg doesn't have the right depends included Jun 21 16:29:15 DocScrutinizer, ok np. Can I use opkg to search for the package that includes that file? Jun 21 16:29:17 so I leave dillo for a little more riping Jun 21 16:29:43 opkg list|grep Jun 21 16:30:26 don't forget the opkg update at least once a day Jun 21 16:31:07 ok :) Jun 21 16:31:44 and upgrade? Jun 21 16:33:21 upgrade kinda discourraged Jun 21 16:33:43 DocScrutinizer, ok Jun 21 16:34:56 I prefer backup of $HOME, and dfu-util flashing new img Jun 21 16:35:37 DocScrutinizer, I see, do you use testing? Jun 21 16:35:45 unstable Jun 21 16:35:51 shr Jun 21 16:35:51 woha... dillo... it's really fast! Jun 21 16:36:29 DocScrutinizer, ok Jun 21 16:36:43 DocScrutinizer, Thanks for the advice. Jun 21 16:36:51 np Jun 21 16:36:55 * feugan3333 off to get some food Jun 21 16:38:17 enjoy Jun 21 17:03:39 openmoko: 03werner * r5171 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Jun 21 17:03:39 openmoko: Upgraded compilation-making system for main schematics: Jun 21 17:03:39 openmoko: - gta02-core.sch, io.sch, cpu.sch, audio.sch: changed paper size from A4 to A3 Jun 21 17:03:39 openmoko: - Makefile: added targets "gen", "generate", and "upload" (same function as in Jun 21 17:03:40 openmoko: expanded/Makefile) Jun 21 17:03:42 openmoko: - scripts/all-sheets-ps: copy %%Orientation and %%DocumentMedia from first file Jun 21 17:23:43 openmoko: 03werner * r5172 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib sc32442.lib): Jun 21 17:23:43 openmoko: Oops. SC32442 changes had been made without turning off pin sharing, thereby Jun 21 17:23:43 openmoko: relocating pins in other parts of the CPU as well. Jun 21 17:24:06 Hey again... anyone knows how to get gst-plugins-mad on om2009? Jun 21 17:45:27 beniwtv: I asked the same :/ Jun 21 17:45:40 long time ago on www.opkg.rg Jun 21 17:45:44 www.opkg.org Jun 21 17:45:46 upps Jun 21 17:45:58 rhaeder: I have now installed some packages from angstrom Jun 21 17:46:09 (still testing right now) Jun 21 17:48:22 root@om-gta02 ~ $ find /usr -name "*gst*mad*" Jun 21 17:48:24 /usr/lib/opkg/info/gst-plugin-mad.control Jun 21 17:48:25 /usr/lib/opkg/info/gst-plugin-mad.list Jun 21 17:48:27 /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmad.so Jun 21 17:50:16 DocScrutinizer2: Problem is, gst-plugin-mad is no longer available from the OM feeds, but it is from angstrom :) Jun 21 17:50:29 beniwtv: so maybe just copy those files from SHR if anything else fails? (yeah I know a nasty idea) Jun 21 17:51:07 hm.. OM disto no longer powered by any company Jun 21 17:51:15 what is the reason to remove mp3 support?! Jun 21 17:51:37 max_posedon: OM still hosted at OM server Jun 21 17:51:43 ?? Jun 21 17:52:19 DocScrutinizer2: I just used the ipkg's from angstrom for now, and works. (I'm not going to upgrade the dist anyway, as for now everything except 'People' works for me :)) Jun 21 17:52:43 DocScrutinizer2, I'm not sure about USA lows, but is it enough? Jun 21 17:53:03 also gst-plugin-mad isn't bad itself Jun 21 17:54:39 hi all...pls, what module is for wifi? thx a lot Jun 21 17:54:51 mihairu: ar6000.ko Jun 21 17:54:58 PaulFertser: thx Jun 21 17:55:25 DocScrutinizer2, and OM is taiwan company... Jun 21 17:55:40 mmm...even after modprobing it i havent it in ethernet devices :/ Jun 21 17:55:57 max_posedon: it easier to avoid messing with mp3 shit for now. Less hassle. Especially considering OM had problems with trolls already. Jun 21 17:56:03 mihairu: do you use FSO? Jun 21 17:56:09 PaulFertser: debian Jun 21 17:56:38 mihairu: so, that's FSO. Jun 21 17:56:43 ok Jun 21 17:57:03 enable power for wifi first ? ;-) Jun 21 17:57:09 mihairu: you're supposed to enable wlan using FSO dbus call. By requesting or enabling WiFi resource. Jun 21 17:57:11 if i know how :D Jun 21 17:57:20 mihairu: fso does that for you Jun 21 17:59:40 PaulFertser: and what does it mean for me :) Jun 21 18:00:37 mihairu: something like mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled Jun 21 18:01:27 PaulFertser: /org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed: org.freesmartphone.Usage.PolicyUnknown Jun 21 18:01:34 rhaeder: If you're interrested: the gst-plugin-mad (ver 10.0.6 r3) from angstom works... Jun 21 18:01:41 openmoko: 03werner * r5173 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (Makefile expanded/Makefile scripts/all-sheets-ps): Jun 21 18:01:41 openmoko: Make overviews in PDF as well. Pre-shrink main schematics to A4. Jun 21 18:01:41 openmoko: scripts/all-sheets-ps: added option --pdf to generate PDF instead of Postscript Jun 21 18:01:41 openmoko: scripts/all-sheets-ps: added option --shrink to shrink the file from A3 to A4 Jun 21 18:01:43 openmoko: expanded/Makefile, Makefile: produce overviews in PDF as well Jun 21 18:01:45 openmoko: Makefile: shrink schematics to A4 Jun 21 18:02:29 openmoko: 03werner * r5174 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Renamed all-sheets-ps to all-sheets Jun 21 18:03:48 mihairu: are you sure you wrote "enabled"? Jun 21 18:04:10 PaulFertser: oh i am idiot...i wrote enable Jun 21 18:04:22 mihairu: i suspected exactly that ;) Jun 21 18:04:29 :)) Jun 21 18:06:05 mihairu: I think ther have been other "idiots" before ;-) Jun 21 18:06:19 :) Jun 21 18:06:49 mihairu, some typo errors is quite normal Jun 21 18:07:06 enable fso-abyss for example wasn't easy because of one) Jun 21 18:07:19 wasn't there a typo even in fso specs wrt that? Jun 21 18:08:12 DocScrutinizer: i just checked it, right now it's correct. :) Jun 21 18:08:17 max_posedon: "_type" was meant "_typo" ;-P Jun 21 18:08:59 DocScrutinizer: that was me who added that _type to SHR config Jun 21 18:09:12 but that was what mickeyl said on IRC ;x Jun 21 18:09:20 dos1, you?! so remove it!) Jun 21 18:09:25 max_posedon: it's removed Jun 21 18:09:29 fine Jun 21 18:09:30 (i think) Jun 21 18:09:38 yesterday it wasn't Jun 21 18:09:40 dos1: so you agree it should have been _typo instead? Jun 21 18:09:49 hehe Jun 21 18:09:52 and taked one my and DocScrutinizer's hour) Jun 21 18:11:19 yep, it's fixed Jun 21 18:11:22 ti_calypso_muxer = gsm0710muxd Jun 21 18:11:23 #ti_calypso_muxer = fso-abyss Jun 21 18:11:29 that's what is in config now Jun 21 18:11:45 and it was fixed 2 days ago Jun 21 18:11:54 2009-06-19 08:03:55 +0200 Jun 21 18:14:00 * DocScrutinizer wonders if we should have a 'sed s/muxd/abyss/ frameworkd' postinstall script for abyss Jun 21 18:14:20 maybe http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_Improved and http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page should be linked to each other? Jun 21 18:15:56 DocScrutinizer: i think we should provide fso-abyss in images and set is as default Jun 21 18:49:22 How do you copy files from your pc onto your openmoko sd card? SCP? Jun 21 18:49:48 feugan3333: yes Jun 21 18:50:00 feugan3333: or take out the card and use a cardreader. Jun 21 18:50:13 feugan3333: some folks tried NFS Jun 21 18:50:45 PaulFertser, Ok, I thought there was something like a obex, so I can transfer via bluetooth. Jun 21 18:51:13 feugan3333: there is Jun 21 18:51:39 feugan3333: obexftp, obexpushd work for me here Jun 21 18:52:02 PaulFertser, ah ok. Thanks I'll give that a try Jun 21 18:54:03 feugan3333: it looks a bit weird to type terminal commands to transfer files but, well, it works Jun 21 18:54:36 PaulFertser, Is there a way to enable/disable bluetooth via the gui? om2009 Jun 21 18:55:00 feugan3333: i think yes, there is. Have you tried looking at paroli manuals and such? Jun 21 18:56:23 PaulFertser, No I haven't looked, but I've been searching the wiki for info on bluetooth. Jun 21 18:57:14 feugan3333: also i think paroli sources code should be easily understandable, don't hesitate to look at it Jun 21 18:57:23 PaulFertser, Ok the wiki says that gui configuration is not present Jun 21 18:57:41 PaulFertser, Ok, will do :) Jun 21 18:57:43 feugan3333: wiki is outdated i guess. I can say for sure paroli has gui wifi manager now. Jun 21 18:58:16 PaulFertser, but wifi is wireless lan, not bluetooth Jun 21 18:58:48 feugan3333: yes, but adding one switch to gui configurator is easier than implementing a connman-based wifi manager, so i suspect it was done. Jun 21 18:59:16 PaulFertser, I see Jun 21 19:03:29 feugan3333: I use sftp://root@192.168.0.202 from konqueror. Very convenient Jun 21 19:05:40 DocScrutinizer, Very cool. I'm on Ubuntu (gnome) but it has something similar Jun 21 19:24:33 Does anyone know a decent project to donate cpu cycles of my work PC to? Jun 21 19:26:18 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rcbdee1601f26 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: Messages: fix possible duplicating incoming messages Jun 21 19:28:44 PaulFertser: i put some of our work machines onto World Community Grid Jun 21 19:29:07 PaulFertser: there are many projects within that, and you can restrict your donation if you choose Jun 21 19:30:01 Weiss: i'm yet to find a project that doesn't use proprietary code on client machines or at least has all the data produced by calculations available for free to other scientists. Jun 21 19:32:04 hmm, ok Jun 21 19:35:25 Weiss: i think free software ideas were largely inspired by how "good" science works, so it's just inappropriate to not provide the data obtained to the other researches. I can't understand why all those distributed projects are so closed both in software and in providing raw data :( Jun 21 19:36:46 PaulFertser, what about folding@home Jun 21 19:36:58 feugan3333: same shit afaik Jun 21 19:37:19 (by shit i mean that it's not open enough, not that the project itself is shit) Jun 21 19:37:34 PaulFertser, Oh ok Jun 21 19:39:59 yeah :( Jun 21 19:40:10 i know (from the inside) that researchers are very cagey about their results Jun 21 19:40:27 it's too much about raising prestige, not getting "scooped" and preparing for the next grant proposal Jun 21 19:44:02 Weiss: does it mean that the science is getting more closed than before? Or was it always like that? Jun 21 19:44:57 PaulFertser: i don't really know, since i'm only a young scientist at the start of my career. i think it was always about the "scoopage", but perhaps less about the money Jun 21 19:47:12 i hate the idea that i'll have to "sell" my work. i'm a useless salesman Jun 21 19:47:59 Weiss: hopefully you'll be able to find a team with a good "salesman" so he'll do it for you :D Jun 21 19:49:56 yeah.. but as you get more senior, you eventually have to.. Jun 21 19:50:11 well.. it's theoretically possible to be a post-doc ("hired research goon") forever Jun 21 19:50:27 at present i have no burning desire to be a group leader Jun 21 19:51:18 Weiss: probably one doesn't need to get "more senior" at all, after all life is about enjoyment, not about career (that is a false target that doesn't make one happy afaik). Jun 21 19:51:21 What do you guys use to play music on your freerunner? I tried fingertier but it's not working. Jun 21 19:51:40 hi guys....i have a problem with debian on FR...i have now wifi enabled but when I connect to any network, dhcp didnt connect, any ideas? Jun 21 19:52:13 PaulFertser: true... Jun 21 19:52:43 feugan3333: OE-based distros use intone. Also mplayer works for everybody. I tried potamus but it has no gui way to select which files to load in playlist. Jun 21 19:54:27 PaulFertser, thanks Jun 21 19:54:43 mihairu: which kernel? Jun 21 19:54:51 feugan3333: just take care to avoid FPU-using codecs. Jun 21 19:55:09 feugan3333: use libmad for mp3 and vorbisi (tremor) for ogg. Jun 21 19:55:31 PaulFertser, ok cool Jun 21 20:03:06 lindi-: 2.6.29-rc3 Jun 21 20:04:28 mihairu: that probably has the known wifi bug? Jun 21 20:06:17 lindi-: i have this kernel from OM and here worked everything well Jun 21 20:06:28 PaulFertser, I'm getting this error when running intone: error while loading shared libraries: libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0, Any idea which package I should install for that library Jun 21 20:06:36 mihairu: yes the bug won't be triggered always Jun 21 20:07:07 feugan3333: no idea, try to search yourself or wait Jun 21 20:08:08 PaulFertser, ok np. Jun 21 20:09:35 lindi-: oh so downgrading kernel would help? Jun 21 20:11:43 mihairu: for example Jun 21 20:11:58 mihairu: please study the bug report Jun 21 20:12:47 lindi-: ok and at what bugtracker it is? Jun 21 20:15:19 someone interested in testing opimd messages? :) Jun 21 20:15:39 testing gui isn't ideal yet, but it stores incoming messages to sqlite database Jun 21 20:16:16 so no more "sim full"! :) Jun 21 20:20:28 lindi-: i find it thx for help :) Jun 21 20:29:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r72e75dbdbe3d 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: oeventsd: fso_actions.py: fix typo in connect_to_signal Jun 21 20:48:39 PaulFertser: Hi! Sorry, I didn't continue my gta01 stuff yet. Working on some uC related stuff right now... Jun 21 20:48:55 toxx__: sure, just don't forget about that stuff, ok? Jun 21 20:49:10 PaulFertser: Sure :-) Jun 21 20:49:17 toxx__: can you share what uC project are you doing? Jun 21 20:49:26 PaulFertser: yes, working on simulavr. Jun 21 20:49:34 PaulFertser: simulavrxx to be exact. Jun 21 20:50:25 PaulFertser: so... has nothing to with OM :-) Jun 21 20:51:30 toxx__: i never understood how to use simulators and debugged by flashing code to target. Jun 21 20:51:58 PaulFertser: well, the problem is that there are no good free AVR simulators yet. Jun 21 20:52:23 PaulFertser: and that there is not really an *accepted* framework for digital simulation yet. Jun 21 20:52:44 toxx__: i can't understand how to use even an ideal simulator. Jun 21 20:56:22 toxx__: because uC's (especially cheap 8-bit parts) are used primarily to control other hardware. And for debugging one would need to simulate all that hardware too. Which is an enourmous task. As more advanced AVR uCs already have jtag in-target debugging and many older parts have a proprietary debug interface too i can't see benefits of simulation. Jun 21 20:56:55 toxx__: (that's my uneducated view on that topic; it'd be interesting to hear other POVs). Jun 21 21:00:04 toxx__: also hopefully 8-bit uCs are not BGA so one can easily solder it by hand to get hardware to debug on. Jun 21 21:00:07 PaulFertser: my POV is that you're partly right :) Models should exist for the periphery, too, and the simulator should fit into the whole setup. I think especially for time-critial things (software based bit banging protocols for example) and interaction with analog stuff, it is not always possible to use breakpoints and step through the code. Therefore simulation, *with* periphery. Unfortunately, the FOSS community apparently did not yet decid Jun 21 21:00:07 e on a standard for simulation. Jun 21 21:00:53 (Meaning: on an open standard to interconnect simulated HW and core simulators and hardware description languages etc.) Jun 21 21:01:27 toxx__: what are the benefits comparing to debugging in-target with jtag? Jun 21 21:02:05 PaulFertser: the benefit would be obvious for example with a software implemented UART and the counter-part all in simulation. Jun 21 21:02:18 PaulFertser: if you interrupt with jtag during the simulation, your SW uart will fail. Jun 21 21:02:48 s/simulation/reality Jun 21 21:02:49 :-) Jun 21 21:03:40 toxx__: i see little use in software implemented UART, it's usually not hard to get serial working in hardware. Jun 21 21:04:29 PaulFertser: well, for the small 8bit things, there is often simply no HW to use. Jun 21 21:04:58 toxx__: sorry, i fail to understand your latest statement. Jun 21 21:06:09 if you have a core without any integrated periphery (e.g. attiny11) and want to have it produce a serial data stream, interrupting the device with jtag will interfere with the timing of your sw-based uart. Jun 21 21:08:16 toxx__: sure Jun 21 21:08:18 this goes back to your above statement that the simulation of periphery is an enormous task. It is. But I think it divides more or less cleanly into models for various building blocks which could then be written and interconnected in a proper sw environment. Jun 21 21:09:00 toxx__: you can emulate uart and other common blocks, sure. But i think most debugging time is spent on something more task-specific. Jun 21 21:10:20 .. and although it is more work up-front, it pays. one can monte-carlo simulate faults, device tolerances, do profiling of the code, do advanced stack analysis etc.pp. Jun 21 21:11:04 toxx__: yes, this reasoning sounds more appealing to me. Jun 21 21:11:56 well, but as you said it is an enormous task. Add to this the general fragmentation tendencies in foss and there is not really much progress... :| Jun 21 21:12:31 toxx__: probably that's just one of the cool concepts that sound fancy and useful but reality proves it's not worth it. Jun 21 21:19:28 PaulFertser: maybe... but OTOH the existence of several independent AVR simulators proves to me that there is at least general interest in simulation. Jun 21 21:20:14 PaulFertser: I just think that the missing consensus on a base platform for interconnection of simulated HW holds up progress. Jun 21 21:20:46 PaulFertser: for example, there is gpsim, a simulator for PICs, complete with a GUI and LCD simulation etc. Jun 21 21:21:07 PaulFertser: why isn't there a platform where I could connect the LCD to either an AVR, PIC or a verilog model? Jun 21 21:23:36 PaulFertser: I think a (mostly hobbyist-managed) community library of simulated hardware parts with a common interface could help a lot Jun 21 21:24:41 toxx__: well, i have no experience to say if i agree or not. I guess the most important is that you enjoy that stuff, so go ahead :) Jun 21 21:26:06 PaulFertser: sure :) Jun 21 21:39:12 toxx__: btw, if you have in mind some simple and cool hardware uC projects (that i can implement with freshmen students to motivate them), please share. Jun 21 21:41:38 PaulFertser: I'll do that! Most of my stuff is half-finished though (the usual thing with such time consuming hobbies...). Are you a course instructor? what do you teach? Jun 21 21:45:57 toxx__: (my "teaching" experience is very small, started this september) to the first-year students i teach C programming. But i can also explain some basics of digital electronics (to the bright ones) and i hope that i can motivate at least somebody to do something more practical (esp. considering they're supposed to become engineers of electronic devices after graduation). Two of my students agreed to do a uC system that will monitor temperature a Jun 21 21:46:03 ... send SMS notifications via a nokia mobile phone (they plan to use it for their country houses). So at least there's some progress, but i want to have more interesting ideas at hands to be able to offer to others. Jun 21 21:47:16 toxx__: also i don't do any projects on my own because i don't enjoy working alone. Jun 21 21:47:16 PaulFertser: well, being a physicist, I think that measuring things is interesting. Jun 21 21:47:37 PaulFertser: i agree, working in a team is more fun. Jun 21 21:48:51 toxx__: i liked videos where cool things are shown using a rotating led ruler. Probably i'll try to do something like that. Jun 21 21:50:46 PaulFertser: yes, they look fun. but I think that there are soo many of them that it is not so original anymore. maybe a rotation 3D display, such as 'rotate an OLED display' would be an interesting project. Jun 21 21:50:56 it is probably quite a lot of work to get it right, though Jun 21 21:51:08 Yes, not suitable for novices. Jun 21 21:52:38 PaulFertser: I think that for novices, most ideas are already pretty much exploited Jun 21 21:52:46 but maybe I am not too creative Jun 21 21:53:30 I think moderately complex but still doable and quite simple circuit are variations on the 'generate video with AVR' principle Jun 21 21:54:08 ... that opens up the possibility to implement a complete computing environment (with additional keyboard interface, also relatively easy doable) Jun 21 21:54:22 ... but it would probably go very quickly into the 'software only' direction.... Jun 21 21:55:54 for cooperation: how about a wireless mesh network using infrared diodes and tsop? Jun 21 21:56:45 that would need a protocol to be defined first but then I think there would be alot of fun with many people connecting their equipment to each other and sending messages Jun 21 21:57:01 and everyone having their own protocol but still interfacing with each other Jun 21 21:58:03 you could start with 'interpret RC5 remote codes', go on with 'generate RC5 codes', and then define a packet format either sliced and encoded in RC5 or some own thing.... Jun 21 21:58:29 ... and then something akin to TCP Jun 21 21:59:53 s/having their own protocol/having their own implementation of the protocol stack/ Jun 21 21:59:53 ... Jun 21 22:13:47 toxx__: wow Jun 21 22:14:03 wow? Jun 21 22:14:10 toxx__: that mesh network idea is very neat. Jun 21 22:14:36 PaulFertser: well, I started such a thing, but it is half-finished in my half-junk-box now... unfortunately :( Jun 21 22:14:36 toxx__: if i only got enough bright and motivated students... But thanks for the idea, i like it :) Jun 21 22:15:18 good :) Jun 21 22:15:52 where are you teaching? Jun 21 22:16:44 (sounds slightly Rainbows Endesque) Jun 21 22:17:28 toxx__: moscow "university" that was an "aviation technologies institute" before. Nowhere near cool :-/ Jun 21 22:18:48 well, to a german like me that description sounds like where the dangerous but impressive migs have been built ;-) Jun 21 22:19:46 toxx__: while i was a students we were constantly told about the former "fame" and so on. Probably not everything they told was a lie even. Jun 21 22:20:39 well, probably in most older institututions, there has been someone famous at some point, so people will refer to him/her all the time. Jun 21 22:21:08 toxx__: but currently every single department here suck in different way. OTOH i'm given enough freedom to do almost whatever i want because there's no strong IT leader in our department at all. Jun 21 22:21:27 PaulFertser: well, isn't that great in a way? :-) Jun 21 22:23:01 in my university, the most 'problematic' department is probably the travel office. we call it 'trouble office'... :-) Jun 21 22:24:04 toxx__: it's compensated by various ungreat things, especially the fact that most students do not want (or can not) study, the fact that we don't have any points system that can help to avoid subjective factors on exams, the fact that some students will stay whatever we say about them (because they're "special") and we can't even kick out more than particular amount because we'll have to kick out some teachers too etc. Jun 21 22:25:48 hmm.. here in germany, people introduced such a point system with the split from diploma -> bachelor/master. not everyone is convinced that it is a good idea. And I do no not have any clue on the probable effects... Jun 21 22:26:18 toxx__: i sometimes wish i could take some position at some European university to do some interesting research in a team... For that i lack 1. enough motivation 2. TOEFL or other "good" certificate (i've only FCE). Jun 21 22:26:49 toxx__: and probably qualification too :) Jun 21 22:27:26 ? Jun 21 22:27:38 you're teaching... can't be too bad? Jun 21 22:28:22 well, I do not want to ask. Jun 21 22:28:50 toxx__: well, i don't know CS :( i'm more of ad-hoc self-teached guy. Never did more than 20 lines in lisp. Jun 21 22:29:59 toxx__: otoh it's somehow not necessary to be involved in most real-life projects. I usually understand kernel code, drivers, stuff like that. Jun 21 22:30:26 is your department engineering or CS? Jun 21 22:30:43 toxx__: engineering :) Jun 21 22:31:09 so... you do not need to know CS :-) Jun 21 22:32:33 openmoko: 03rehar * r5175 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core.lib gta02_power.lib): added AVCC_CODEC anf DVCC_CODEC to gta02_power.lib Jun 21 22:33:37 toxx__: so, what do i need to obtain a position then? ;) Jun 21 22:33:54 openmoko: 03rehar * r5176 10/trunk/gta02-core/audio.sch: start working on audio codec schematic Jun 21 22:37:37 in germany? at a university? for research? I think for any research work you need a diploma in a technical field as formal qualification. But that's about it. Jun 21 22:38:08 (and you need to convince other's that you're the right guy. Which is probably always the hardest thing to do...) Jun 21 22:38:22 toxx__: i have magister degree in "design and technology of electronic systems" Jun 21 22:39:33 toxx__: one more data point for you to have a complete picture of russian educational system: here many guys go to an institute to avoid the mandatory military service. And half of a girls (according to rumors) to find a good husband. Jun 21 22:39:39 is magister==bachelor or magister==master? Jun 21 22:40:03 toxx__: magister > specialist/engineer > bachelor Jun 21 22:40:13 sounds good? Jun 21 22:40:49 so the guys avoiding the military are the unmotivated ones then? Jun 21 22:41:45 toxx__: yes, they don't really need education, they just want fun and to avoid being a soldier. Jun 21 22:42:06 toxx__: is zero german language knowledge ok too? Jun 21 23:01:55 openmoko: 03rehar * r5177 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (exc24cb102u.lib gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib): reduced size of choke EXC24Bxxx symbol Jun 21 23:39:57 openmoko: 03werner * r5178 10/trunk/gta02-core/memory.sch: memory_updates_06212009_1543.diff from Luke Duncan Jun 21 23:41:13 openmoko: 03werner * r5179 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (Makefile expanded/Makefile): Jun 21 23:41:13 openmoko: Added convenience targets "gv" and "xpdf" to top-level Makefile and Jun 21 23:41:13 openmoko: expanded/Makefile Jun 22 00:32:15 openmoko: 03rehar * r5180 10/trunk/gta02-core/usb.sch: fixed some bugs and did some design changes werner mentioned Jun 22 00:35:47 openmoko: 03werner * r5181 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/INFO: Added link to KLB0603K601SA data sheet (commented out for now). Jun 22 00:38:13 openmoko: 03werner * r5182 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (ecn0001.txt ecn0002.txt): Allocated ECNs for Glamo and NOR removal. Jun 22 00:49:46 openmoko: 03werner * r5183 10/trunk/gta02-core/STATUS: Added schematics review status file. Jun 22 01:30:17 openmoko: 03werner * r5184 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/STATUS: Added ECN status file. Jun 22 01:43:44 openmoko: 03rehar * r5185 10/trunk/gta02-core/usb.sch: Jun 22 01:43:44 openmoko: removed H- prefix of test points Jun 22 01:43:44 openmoko: added ac voltage to varistors on the usb data lines Jun 22 02:33:12 openmoko: 03rehar * r5186 10/trunk/gta02-core/usb.sch: replaced inductor symbol for B4902 with FILTER **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 22 02:59:57 2009