**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 24 02:59:57 2009
Jun 24 05:04:42 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03rehar * r5202 10/trunk/gta02-core/audio.sch: added microphone and speaker sections (work in progress)
Jun 24 05:25:25 <slaxxer> see the 01 gettin time:)
Jun 24 09:04:25 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rc0d5a6f472ed 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: BackendManager: don't fail when registering or loading entries from some backend fails
Jun 24 09:08:44 <lindi-> was there a list of known to work bluetooth headsets somewhere? can't find from wiki
Jun 24 09:09:35 <dns53> why would not all of them work?
Jun 24 09:10:03 <valos> lindi-: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/A2DP#6._Devices_that_work
Jun 24 09:10:49 <leila> dns53: because bluetooth only is about connecting, nothing about using
Jun 24 09:11:34 <lindi-> dns53: they just don't :) BH-203 at least doesn't
Jun 24 09:12:29 <lindi-> valos: none of those seem to mention that GSM calls would work
Jun 24 09:12:48 <dns53> i have not yet tried my one yet, i can connect also but i have not gotten to manually setting up the audio device 
Jun 24 09:15:56 <lindi-> PaulFertser: Digital_Pioneer: did I understand it correctly from IRC logs that you have managed to make a GSM call with bluetooth headset? which model was it?
Jun 24 09:17:04 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i'm afraid Digital_Pioneer failed to do it because of some bluetooth problems and i failed to do it because my headset (cheapest Iqua smth) seem to be not fully compatible (at least with the current code) with CSR chip we use in FR.
Jun 24 09:17:36 <PaulFertser> lindi-: in my testing everything worked except i didn't hear any sound apart from amp noise. But that's expected behaviour with my headset.
Jun 24 09:17:55 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i'd recommend to borrow some headset and follow the wiki instructions to test if it works.
Jun 24 09:18:08 <lindi-> PaulFertser: ok, have you heard of anybody who would have made a call with a bluetooth headset?
Jun 24 09:19:34 <PaulFertser> lindi-: yes, i believe shoragan did that :) I tell you, everything worked with my headset. It's just that it doesn't send SCO frames to amplifier for some reason. I'm sure it'd work with the other headset i tried (though i tried streaming arbitrary audio data to it, not actual call, but i'm sure it'd work with GSM too).
Jun 24 09:19:53 <lindi-> shoragan: which model did you use?
Jun 24 09:20:10 <lindi-> PaulFertser: I had the same problem, everything worked but I did not hear anything
Jun 24 09:20:20 <PaulFertser> lindi-: the headset that worked for me was some "Jabra" with about 4-5 keys.
Jun 24 09:20:29 <lindi-> PaulFertser: and johnsu had the same problem too with different headset
Jun 24 09:20:53 <lindi-> PaulFertser: ah so you had a headset that worked too?
Jun 24 09:21:34 <PaulFertser> lindi-: my Iqua headset worked well in exactly the same configuration on my laptop. I had sound with it, but only on laptop. And it looks like the problem is somewhere deeper, probably in kernel. I also tried the latest bluetooth kernel portions on FR but it didn't help.
Jun 24 09:21:49 <lindi-> PaulFertser: ok
Jun 24 09:22:02 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i had success streaming SCO to the other headset (Jabra) and i'm sure GSM would work with it too but i hadn't tried.
Jun 24 09:22:23 <lindi-> I think we should add to the wiki that currently there's no known headset that can be used with GSM calls
Jun 24 09:22:29 <PaulFertser> lindi-: btw, that Jabra was older than non-working Iqua (iirc, i think that jabra didn't support eSCO).
Jun 24 09:22:38 <lindi-> (I mean one that is 100% known to work)
Jun 24 09:22:52 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i think i can manage to borrow that same headset at work tomorrow or on friday again.
Jun 24 09:24:31 <PaulFertser> lindi-: if you're interested, here're the logs comparing my Iqua headset working with laptop and not working with FR: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/PaulFerster/ I couldn't find any obvious differences. It might be a bug in CSR firmware even (!) but i'm not sure if we can reflash it somehow. :-/
Jun 24 09:25:05 <PaulFertser> lindi-: or probably i'm sure we can't reflash it because it ROM, i seem to remember that.
Jun 24 09:25:34 <PaulFertser> If only we could find some workaround...
Jun 24 09:25:38 <leila> if that is the case hope for a workaround in the dirver ...
Jun 24 09:25:42 <leila> driver**
Jun 24 09:25:48 <lindi-> PaulFertser: I was just asking today since I had extra time to go shopping around
Jun 24 09:26:11 <lindi-> so if there had been some headset that would at least be possible to configure to work I would have bought it today :)
Jun 24 09:26:28 <PaulFertser> leila: there's no much hope because there's no capable bluetooth dev interested :(
Jun 24 09:26:46 <PaulFertser> lindi-: can you arrange some money-back scheme?
Jun 24 09:27:34 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i think list of eeprom parameters might be of interest (in finding a workaround) but i can't seem to find it atm.
Jun 24 09:29:06 <PaulFertser> lindi-: http://case.cs.mnsu.edu/NSM%20Technology/141_HCI%20Implementation%20on%20BlueCore%20(AN107d).pdf
Jun 24 09:29:22 <PaulFertser> lindi-: that's nuts, it's easier to found something on the internet than on my harddisk.
Jun 24 09:30:30 <dos1> google desktop? :DD
Jun 24 09:33:22 <lindi-> dos1: ehm=
Jun 24 09:34:49 <lindi-> PaulFertser: I could go to the local store and ask if I can try the headsets out but it'd help a lot if I had some known-to-work headset to try
Jun 24 09:35:27 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i don't question that. It's just i'm afraid i can't help more.
Jun 24 09:38:33 <lindi-> PaulFertser: ok. I'm quite sure _somebody_ must have made at least one GSM call with bluetooth headset. Otherwise I don't understand how they could have tested the alsa states for that
Jun 24 09:39:05 <lindi-> I added a note that none of the listed headsets have actually been verified to work with GSM calls
Jun 24 09:39:55 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r8bb7d7023bff 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: don't fail on registering item, when some other was deleted previously
Jun 24 09:42:33 <PaulFertser> lindi-: shoragan did that
Jun 24 09:43:11 <lindi-> PaulFertser: ok he should then mention the model and write explicitely that he tested GSM calls
Jun 24 09:43:33 <oele2> what could be causing a SIM not to be recognized ?
Jun 24 09:43:42 <oele2> (on a neo freerunner)
Jun 24 09:44:10 <shoragan> PaulFertser, lindi-, i used a Plantronix Model 320
Jun 24 09:44:25 <lindi-> shoragan: and you were able to make a GSM call?
Jun 24 09:44:28 <shoragan> yes
Jun 24 09:44:32 <lindi-> shoragan: very cool
Jun 24 09:44:36 <lindi-> shoragan: I'll add this to wiki
Jun 24 09:44:39 <shoragan> some time ago though
Jun 24 09:44:51 <shoragan> i havn't tested it again since :/
Jun 24 09:45:04 <PaulFertser> oele2: are you not using the latest GSM firmware?
Jun 24 09:45:35 <PaulFertser> lindi-: hm, one workaround i haven't try is to disable eSCO...
Jun 24 09:45:55 <oele2> PaulFertser: I've never upgraded, and the command on the wiki doesn't work
Jun 24 09:46:03 <oele2> root@om-gta02:~# mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo
Jun 24 09:46:07 <oele2> Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Jun 24 09:46:11 <oele2> Service name not found
Jun 24 09:46:34 <PaulFertser> oele2: if you don't use the latest GSM firmware, i don't want to talk with you :P
Jun 24 09:47:40 <dns53> is the firmware part of the distro?
Jun 24 09:48:03 <PaulFertser> dns53: no
Jun 24 09:48:47 <dns53> any major advantages with new firmware? can you brick your device upgrading it?
Jun 24 09:49:33 <PaulFertser> dns53: major advantages -- yes; bricking impossible. Read the wiki page for more information please.
Jun 24 09:49:44 <leila> dns53: major advantage.. working gsm for me
Jun 24 09:49:54 <dns53> ok i'll look into it, thanks
Jun 24 09:51:17 <lindi-> shoragan: ok i'll try to figure out if I can buy that in Finland
Jun 24 09:51:18 <PaulFertser> lindi-: a wild guess: probably disable_esco module parameter of sco.ko might help.
Jun 24 09:52:04 <PaulFertser> lindi-: do you confirm you have the same symptoms as i had? Like everything works but no actual sound can be heard?
Jun 24 09:52:06 <oele2> PaulFertser: which is the most recent firmware ? Moko11 ?
Jun 24 09:52:11 <PaulFertser> oele2: yes
Jun 24 09:52:12 <lindi-> PaulFertser: yeah
Jun 24 09:52:38 <PaulFertser> lindi-: if you can do a quick test, imho it worth a try with disable_esco
Jun 24 09:52:40 <oele2> PaulFertser: and how can I check the version installed ?
Jun 24 09:53:23 <leila> oele2: its moko8 if you have never upgraded it
Jun 24 09:53:25 <lindi-> PaulFertser: maybe I should try that with my laptop?
Jun 24 09:53:26 <PaulFertser> oele2: if you never upgraded it, do it. You can check it by starting mickeyterm and using AT+CGMR command. Or by other means.
Jun 24 09:53:43 <PaulFertser> lindi-: laptop is irrelevant because my headset works with my laptop.
Jun 24 09:53:56 <lindi-> PaulFertser: my headset does not work with my laptop
Jun 24 09:54:16 <PaulFertser> lindi-: in exactly the same way? what exactly did you try to make it work?
Jun 24 09:54:21 <lindi-> PaulFertser: yep
Jun 24 09:54:43 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i'll need to continue this later in the evening, i don't have my notes with me now
Jun 24 09:54:54 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i guess you used hsplay etc?
Jun 24 09:54:56 <lindi-> (nfs server for /home is down for maintenance)
Jun 24 09:55:38 <PaulFertser> lindi-: if you have CSR chip in your laptop then probably you'd have tweaked that eeprom parameter.
Jun 24 09:55:53 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i used external usb bt dongle
Jun 24 09:56:28 <PaulFertser> lindi-: it doesn't prove it's not CSR ;)
Jun 24 09:57:00 <SpeedEvil> Is 01 and 02 bluetooth config the same? - sam chiepset, ...?
Jun 24 09:57:13 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: yes, exactly the same
Jun 24 09:57:23 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: there're some differences in alsa driver though.
Jun 24 09:58:18 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: i can port gta02 driver to gta01 but alsa states won't be one-to-one compatible anyway because gta01 uses an additional i2c-controllable amp. That said, i think gta02 driver is much better currently and it should be done anyway.
Jun 24 09:59:05 <SpeedEvil> on a slightly related matter - digikey et al sell CsR chips - but often with no explanaation on the firmware that's on them, or no manual. (ROM'd chips) Is there a central list? - haven't found on CSR's site
Jun 24 10:00:01 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: i'm afraid no :( CSR has some application notes that are mostly applicable to those chips, i guess.
Jun 24 10:00:42 <SpeedEvil> k
Jun 24 10:01:28 <PaulFertser> Guys, is it common all around the world that the girls want to change their surnames after registering relationships with husband at some state authorities?
Jun 24 10:02:17 <leila> PaulFertser: its normal that the girl gets the surname of the male when marrieing
Jun 24 10:02:28 <PaulFertser> leila: really? WTF? 
Jun 24 10:02:42 <PaulFertser> leila: i hoped only russians girls are stupid enough to do that
Jun 24 10:02:55 <leila> its optional these days tho. And as to why, no clue, must have something todo with church stuff
Jun 24 10:03:19 <PaulFertser> leila: who cares about church nowadays
Jun 24 10:03:38 <Zorkman> PaulFertser: they are sometimes still refered to with the surname of their husbands, but their OFFICIAL name never changes anymore as far as i know
Jun 24 10:03:58 <PaulFertser> Zorkman: it's even more weird then :-/
Jun 24 10:04:04 <SpeedEvil> Zorkman: It depends.
Jun 24 10:04:12 <SpeedEvil> Zorkman: In the UK, it certainly does.
Jun 24 10:04:43 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: do girls change their surnames in UK too?
Jun 24 10:04:44 <SpeedEvil> Zorkman: The law recognises the husband in other ways - for example - he's responsible for any child she may have.
Jun 24 10:04:47 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jun 24 10:04:47 <leila> Hmm could also be introduced with Napoleon. That is when surnames have been invented
Jun 24 10:04:50 <Zorkman> in belgium girls keep their surname
Jun 24 10:05:15 <Zorkman> leila: thats why all of you dutchmen have weird surnames :p; you guys thought it was a joke :D
Jun 24 10:05:30 <leila> Zorkman: yup, well some of us anyway
Jun 24 10:05:39 <ndnihil> heh, here in the states some of them keep both names and add a hyphen
Jun 24 10:05:50 <leila> that said... these days parents give all sorts of surnames to their children ...
Jun 24 10:05:53 <ndnihil> but typically they take the surname
Jun 24 10:05:54 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: do men add a hyphen too?
Jun 24 10:05:59 <SpeedEvil> I thought that was usually taken away - if present at marriage ndnihil
Jun 24 10:06:02 <ndnihil> no, men dont change their names at all
Jun 24 10:06:24 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: that's inequality then, isn't it?
Jun 24 10:06:27 <mjr> 'round here in Finland married people can both keep their names, or one can take the other's name, or one can take the other's name in addition to his/her own
Jun 24 10:06:30 <ndnihil> nope, legally they can keep their own, take the mans, or hyphenate them both
Jun 24 10:06:41 <ndnihil> I'm not a fan of the hyphen
Jun 24 10:06:47 <mjr> for traditional reasons the most common case probably still is the female taking the husband's name
Jun 24 10:06:49 <ndnihil> kinda stupid if you ask me
Jun 24 10:07:10 <PaulFertser> Changing one's name is kinda stupid in general imho
Jun 24 10:07:24 <leila> to settle this: Its a choice, people should make themselves
Jun 24 10:07:28 <ndnihil> for marriage it makes sense so you can follow family lineage 
Jun 24 10:07:38 <PaulFertser> Girls are stupid and make wrong choices :-/
Jun 24 10:07:52 <leila> PaulFertser: ... not just girls, politicians to
Jun 24 10:08:05 <mjr> there are valid reasons for changing names. Like, if you don't like yours, or want distance from stupid relatives ;P
Jun 24 10:08:18 <PaulFertser> leila: some politicians are stupid but some are smart motherfuckers. 
Jun 24 10:08:28 <ndnihil> or if your parents are dumb hippies and give you a stupid name
Jun 24 10:08:43 <mjr> and there's something to be said about being unambiguously a part of the same family unit on a name level also
Jun 24 10:08:56 <mjr> that said, me and the wife kept our own names
Jun 24 10:09:12 <PaulFertser> mjr++
Jun 24 10:09:24 <PaulFertser> My parents did the same (kept their names).
Jun 24 10:09:33 <leila> mjr: not always the case here so it seems... I know different families with the same surname
Jun 24 10:09:45 <ndnihil> the thing with keeping your own names, is what name to the children take?
Jun 24 10:09:52 <mjr> leila, well, _less_ ambiguously :)
Jun 24 10:10:01 <leila> mjr: accepted ;)
Jun 24 10:10:01 <ndnihil> s/to the/do the/g
Jun 24 10:10:02 <apt> ndnihil meant: the thing with keeping your own names, is what name do the children take?
Jun 24 10:10:07 * ndnihil stabs apt
Jun 24 10:10:12 <mjr> ndnihil, around here, we get to choose, but all the kids will have the same name then
Jun 24 10:10:18 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: i was given my father's and my brother was given my mother's.
Jun 24 10:11:35 <mjr> my late mother at first kept her own name in addition to my father's (hyphenated), but that was when keeping one's o wn wasn't allowed for women. When the law changed to be more flexible, she dropped my father's name ;P
Jun 24 10:21:49 <PaulFertser> My friend's wife decided to change her surname and now she has to wait for the new ID for a month and because of that she can't buy a train ticket to go on vacation (in russia ID is required to go on long-distance trains). And when she finally gets her ID all the tickets will be already sold. Uber-stupidity.
Jun 24 10:24:36 <leila> PaulFertser: slow goverment
Jun 24 10:24:59 <leila> getting an id here takes 3 working days here, and that is because of the fancy plastic
Jun 24 10:25:05 <ndnihil> she cant use her old name until the new id shows up?
Jun 24 10:25:39 <PaulFertser> leila: no, that's not the main problem. The problem is that they didn't need to register their relationship anyway. That's first. And the second is that she could have choosen to change her surname later, whenever she likes.
Jun 24 10:26:24 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: they took away your old ID and so one doesn't have an ID at all while exchanging. You can ask them for a temporary id but it's a hassle and i'm not sure it works for buying tickets.
Jun 24 10:26:34 <ndnihil> ah
Jun 24 10:27:10 <leila> PaulFertser: agreed, also bad planning on her side
Jun 24 10:27:46 <PaulFertser> leila: at least usually she gives me some food when i visit them
Jun 24 12:17:56 <oele2> PaulFertser: it works after gsm firmware upgrade
Jun 24 12:19:07 <badcloud> hey all
Jun 24 12:35:39 <PaulFertser> oele2: congratulations
Jun 24 12:38:48 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: can you tell me how to create my own splash for shr?
Jun 24 12:39:27 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: no idea, really :) I think you can find some generic instructions for Linux.
Jun 24 12:39:46 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: trying to, but no success
Jun 24 12:39:52 <Q-Master> yet
Jun 24 12:49:22 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: take a look here: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr.git;a=blob;f=shr-splash/shr-splash.sh;h=b2fe0de754b3c88aae3862093b574b190c7f4410;hb=HEAD
Jun 24 12:49:30 <leila> does anyone know how the qt mediaplyer works ?
Jun 24 12:50:59 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: I've found some docs
Jun 24 12:51:15 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: http://docs.blackfin.uclinux.org/doku.php?id=:framebuffer
Jun 24 12:51:31 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: it looks like SHR just writes splash image in raw FB format to FB.
Jun 24 12:51:38 <Q-Master> yep
Jun 24 12:52:11 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: I've just needed a tool to convert a png ro raw in exact needed format
Jun 24 12:52:44 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: i guess there's one mentioned at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Configuring_the_boot_splash_screens
Jun 24 12:52:53 * Q-Master off
Jun 24 13:04:18 <badcloud> anyone know if there is a distro that works smoothly with this? http://www.freedominput.com/freedom-accessories/slim-keypad
Jun 24 13:04:53 <badcloud> I've tried h1 and shr. in both I cannot reconnect a second time
Jun 24 13:05:24 <badcloud> even though I have found a workaround for h1, but it involves pairing the device every time I want to use it
Jun 24 13:15:09 <rhaeder> found an always-reproduceable bug
Jun 24 13:15:18 <rhaeder> it is in the Xglamo
Jun 24 13:16:29 <rhaeder> it only occurs when omnewrotate is installed and the X server is starting
Jun 24 13:16:57 <rhaeder> just put your FreeRunner on a flat table and wait for it boots.
Jun 24 13:17:33 <SM2k> and then sneak up on it and shout? :-)
Jun 24 13:18:07 <rhaeder> it will startup with the wrong orientation
Jun 24 13:19:14 <rhaeder> and when you rotate in your hands to the right orientation (NEO is reable on bottom of your device) the full screen isn't used but a small white box in lower left corner is visible
Jun 24 13:19:26 <rhaeder> *readable
Jun 24 13:20:28 <rhaeder> I have offical release (testing5) here in use
Jun 24 13:20:36 <rhaeder> hardware is GTA02v6
Jun 24 13:22:13 <rhaeder> and I *think* the paroli application is not in fullscreen mode
Jun 24 13:22:23 <PaulFertser> rhaeder: Xglamo is not maintained and deprecated
Jun 24 13:22:31 <rhaeder> :(
Jun 24 13:22:38 <rhaeder> but still in repos?
Jun 24 13:22:53 <PaulFertser> rhaeder: yes
Jun 24 13:23:07 <rhaeder> so no need to update?
Jun 24 13:26:27 <PaulFertser> rhaeder: you might want to update to xorg-glamo driver instead.
Jun 24 13:29:14 <rhaeder> which package? or what do I have to change?
Jun 24 13:32:40 <rhaeder> oh, no. no patching and compiling :(
Jun 24 13:37:52 <rhaeder> opkg list | grep xorg <-- didn't turn up any package
Jun 24 13:39:52 <max_posedon> because xorg-glamo isn't in feeds
Jun 24 13:40:03 <max_posedon> and I'm not sure that it ready to use
Jun 24 13:40:20 <max_posedon> e.g. it works nice, but how its stable now?
Jun 24 13:40:30 <rhaeder> xserver-kdrive-glamo <-- is this the current and deprecated package?
Jun 24 13:41:29 <max_posedon> yes
Jun 24 13:41:46 <rhaeder> ok
Jun 24 13:43:34 <leila> bye all
Jun 24 13:51:02 <fredrin> i need to turn up the sound in SHR-unstable so i can hear the other person i'm talking too, what channel do i need to adjust? 
Jun 24 14:07:06 <rhaeder> fredrin: I think at least the Master and PCM
Jun 24 14:07:28 <rhaeder> try alsamixer from ssh session
Jun 24 14:33:33 <rhaeder> my freerunner crashed again :(
Jun 24 14:33:42 <rhaeder> just launched tangogps and ceelhunter
Jun 24 14:33:46 <rhaeder> cellhunter
Jun 24 14:36:12 <rhaeder> maybe I can save the portmap daemon?
Jun 24 14:54:56 <rhaeder> the portmapper was not required by any packages. I have removed him to save some mem
Jun 24 14:55:55 <rhaeder> ok, I go home :)
Jun 24 15:24:13 <DocScrutinizer> fredrin: see wiki freerunner-audio
Jun 24 15:25:03 <DocScrutinizer> fredrin: PCM isn't related at all to GSM
Jun 24 15:52:20 <DocScrutinizer> fredrin: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls
Jun 24 16:00:09 <slaxxer> paroli time/
Jun 24 16:01:58 <slaxxer> Fortune finishes the great quotations, #12
Jun 24 16:01:59 <slaxxer>         Those who can, do.  Those who can't, write the instructions.
Jun 24 16:11:54 <PBeck> ahoi
Jun 24 16:20:53 <slaxxer> how is the latest  daily fso-paroli?
Jun 24 16:22:22 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03daveb * r5203 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (9 files): New sheet - bt.sch
Jun 24 16:32:57 <slaxxer> paroli takes too long to boot
Jun 24 16:34:10 <slaxxer> grey-black theme is nice
Jun 24 16:43:57 <skamster_> hello there
Jun 24 16:44:09 <skamster_> i've got a problem with wlan on the android
Jun 24 16:44:12 <skamster_> root@skamster-laptop:/home/skamster/Downloads# ./adb push wpa_supplicant.conf /etc/wifi
Jun 24 16:44:12 <skamster_> failed to copy 'wpa_supplicant.conf' to '/etc/wifi/wpa_supplicant.conf': Read-only file system
Jun 24 16:44:12 <skamster_> root@skamster-laptop:/home/skamster/Downloads# ./adb shell mount -o remount,rw /dev/root /
Jun 24 16:44:12 <skamster_> root@skamster-laptop:/home/skamster/Downloads# ./adb push wpa_supplicant.conf /etc/wifi
Jun 24 16:44:12 <skamster_> failed to copy 'wpa_supplicant.conf' to '/etc/wifi/wpa_supplicant.conf': Read-only file system
Jun 24 16:44:14 <skamster_> root@skamster-laptop:/home/skamster/Downloads#
Jun 24 16:44:41 <ndnihil> consider yourself lucky if that's the only problem you're having with wpa_supplicant
Jun 24 16:44:49 <skamster_> i tried like in the wiki... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android_usage
Jun 24 16:45:30 <skamster_> it's not a problem with wpa-supplicant, i think.. i couldn't upload it, because it said, it's a read-only-fs
Jun 24 16:45:46 <ndnihil> that was humor (kinda)
Jun 24 16:45:48 <skamster_> but i remount it as rw, so it's should work
Jun 24 16:46:08 <skamster_> :)
Jun 24 16:49:10 <skamster_> so is there a idea, how i could fix this?
Jun 24 16:49:32 <skamster_> with ls i didn't found a device named root
Jun 24 16:49:33 <ndnihil> can you write to the filesystem locally?
Jun 24 16:50:21 <skamster_> yes
Jun 24 16:51:35 <ndnihil> sounds like adb is broken
Jun 24 16:51:35 <skamster_> i think, i should remount another device than root..?
Jun 24 16:51:37 <ndnihil> what is adb?
Jun 24 16:51:51 <ndnihil> android specific tool I'm assuming?
Jun 24 16:52:04 <skamster_> 1.0.20
Jun 24 16:52:13 <skamster_> ah
Jun 24 16:52:14 <skamster_> yes
Jun 24 16:52:38 <ndnihil> does it have ssh?
Jun 24 16:52:50 <skamster_> i would make this in another way, but adb is the only way to "speak" with the moko
Jun 24 16:52:57 <skamster_> no, android hasn't
Jun 24 16:53:10 <skamster_> sry, away for a moment
Jun 24 16:53:13 <skamster_> :$
Jun 24 16:53:36 <ndnihil> no clue, maybe #openmoko-android (or whatever it's named) will have more of an idea
Jun 24 16:53:49 <max_posedon> #freerunner-android
Jun 24 16:54:00 <ndnihil> ^what he said
Jun 24 16:57:06 <skamster_> oke, thx
Jun 24 16:57:08 <skamster_> :)
Jun 24 17:17:58 <Digital_Pioneer> lindi-: Nope, never got it working. :(
Jun 24 17:47:56 <slaxxer> will the latest shr an Qi play nicely?
Jun 24 17:53:19 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i've got another headset here, some old SE original model. I've just connected my PSU to a charging cable, will try to charge (if that fails i'll desolder the battery and connect PSU directly) and if it works i'll report the results.
Jun 24 17:53:23 <PaulFertser> slaxxer: yes
Jun 24 17:54:54 <PaulFertser> slaxxer: the latest shr and the latest Qi (not the version distributed by koolu) should work together well.
Jun 24 17:55:10 <slaxxer> paul great
Jun 24 17:55:53 <PaulFertser> slaxxer: also booting and suspend/resume time is reported to be less comparing to u-boot but i can't say exactly because i've never used u-boot on FR.
Jun 24 17:56:31 <slaxxer> as long as it  doesnt white screen or some crap
Jun 24 17:57:37 <PaulFertser> slaxxer: Qi never touches LCM!
Jun 24 17:59:04 <slaxxer> it boots from nor ok
Jun 24 17:59:57 <PaulFertser> slaxxer: who boots?
Jun 24 18:22:34 <sybren> hi folks!
Jun 24 18:23:14 <sybren> I just bought a Neo Freerunner, flashed it to Om2008.12. The wiki tells me I should be able to find a wifi GUI somewhere, but I can't seem to find it...
Jun 24 18:24:25 <Blu3> reflash it with 2009
Jun 24 18:24:51 <max_posedon> but in 2009 you wont find wifi gui too I think
Jun 24 18:25:13 <Blu3> not immediately, but it can be added.  and 2009 is just better :)
Jun 24 18:30:38 <slaxxer> better to use shr
Jun 24 18:30:43 <eolson> sybren, congrats on your new phone :)  the people here are pretty helpful  ( I use and like SHR by the way, but the older GTA01 I have doesn't have wifi, so I'm not much help)
Jun 24 18:31:35 <[Rui]> grumble... why do elm_entries wrap on every single word instead of at window limit?
Jun 24 18:32:20 <[Rui]> ok, it's not every word, just a very small widget size :(
Jun 24 18:32:40 <slaxxer> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090617-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
Jun 24 18:33:09 <slaxxer> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119819+5a6ed99264c704e517ac312283c58204ee38fee5-r3.5-om-gta02.bin
Jun 24 18:33:32 <[Rui]> but all I see to handle size are "hints" and they seem to require absolute values instead of relative ones... 
Jun 24 18:34:25 <slaxxer> sybren those work well
Jun 24 18:36:32 <Blu3> rui, another buglet which further prompted me to make my own sms app
Jun 24 18:38:00 <[Rui]> Blu3: what do you mean?
Jun 24 18:38:29 <Blu3> it's hard writing a message to someone when it's nearly one word per line and you're writing a paragraph
Jun 24 18:39:54 <[Rui]> Blu3: ?
Jun 24 18:40:20 <Blu3> <[Rui]> grumble... why do elm_entries wrap on every single word instead of at window limit?
Jun 24 18:41:10 <sybren> Blu3: I'll try 2009 then ;-)
Jun 24 18:41:14 <[Rui]> Blu3: doesn't paroli sms use libelm?
Jun 24 18:41:27 <[Rui]> Blu3: I don't see that in there
Jun 24 18:41:31 <Blu3> i've no idea.  i actually use shr-unstable
Jun 24 18:41:39 <sybren> what's shr?
Jun 24 18:41:46 <Blu3> another distribution
Jun 24 18:41:52 <beer__> shr is anothe dist
Jun 24 18:42:01 <beer__> you can also try qt moko http://qtmoko.org/
Jun 24 18:42:19 <beer__> http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtmoko/snapbuild/20090616/ <- rootfs and kernel
Jun 24 18:43:23 <sybren> beer__: I see GPS is untested - I really want GPS as it's one of the major reasons to switch phones
Jun 24 18:43:51 <sybren> and GTalk isn't a requirement for me, but a generic Jabber client would be nice to have...
Jun 24 18:48:23 <beer__> I can inform you that GPS work on qt moko but it get the first cords slowly
Jun 24 18:50:26 <sybren> beer__: thanks
Jun 24 18:50:33 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i had to fully diassemble that shit to actually start charging it, as wires connecting battery compartment were cut off (moving parts are always nasty). I now doubt it's original SE because there's too much glue used to secure the parts.
Jun 24 18:57:57 <lindi-> PaulFertser: disassemble what?
Jun 24 18:58:40 <PaulFertser> lindi-: some time ago i was given a BT headset branded SE. Talking to you today made me finally try to use it.
Jun 24 18:58:50 <lindi-> ah
Jun 24 18:58:58 <lindi-> PaulFertser: were you able to make a call?
Jun 24 19:00:01 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i've just disassembled it, soldered the battery directly and started to charge. The 2 batteries were at 0V when i started so some time's needed to start testing BT.
Jun 24 19:00:52 <PaulFertser> (if it works at all)
Jun 24 19:31:15 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rdd0de54a1acd 10/fsodeviced/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsodevice: remove all traces of libascenario
Jun 24 19:31:16 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r341b804d0b2b 10/libfsoframework/ (fsoframework/alsa.vala tests/testsoundsystem.vala): 
Jun 24 19:31:16 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: fsoframework: alsa: looks like on writing, control indices start with '0',
Jun 24 19:31:16 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: while they start with '1' on reading *sigh*
Jun 24 19:32:09 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r520e843cd1b1 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala: fsodevice: alsa_audio: implement scenario handling with new code
Jun 24 19:53:20 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3ef0831b210a 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/common.vala: fsoframework: common: remove assert in favour of real error message
Jun 24 21:34:14 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r04161a1904a7 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: 
Jun 24 21:34:14 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: Moved some parts from Monitor to contruct
Jun 24 21:34:14 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Frederik 'playya' Sdun <Frederik.Sdun@googlemail.com>
Jun 24 21:34:14 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r3a006959f812 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Added debug outpu for NameOwnerChanged
Jun 24 21:34:17 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r56c4db7cbcf0 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Remove first ping for run()
Jun 24 21:34:20 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rf34fad0727d4 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Add Object name for ping debugging
Jun 24 21:34:23 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r054e82d7ae46 10fso-monitord/ (11 files in 2 dirs): 
Jun 24 21:34:26 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: Start porting to libfso-glib
Jun 24 21:34:28 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: Moved to namespace FreeSmartphone.Monitor to avoid conflicts
Jun 24 21:34:30 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r8e98a576b738 10fso-monitord/src/device.vala: Ported PowerControl to fso-glib
Jun 24 21:34:33 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r4271ef4813ed 10fso-monitord/src/logger.vala: Add enum_to_string to log enums for fso-glib
Jun 24 21:34:36 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r61067a21bfb8 10fso-monitord/src/ (device.vala logger.vala): Port PowerSupply to fso-glib
Jun 24 21:53:51 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rfb915e3265a3 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: change _sms_... fields to SMS-...
Jun 24 23:22:54 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r89619244f2f6 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: implement NewContact, ContactUpdated and ContactDeleted signals
Jun 24 23:22:55 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rf0042b791436 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: implement MessageUpdated and MessageDeleted signals
Jun 25 00:09:42 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03daveb * r5204 10/trunk/gta02-core/bt.sch: Initial commit of Bluetooth and WLAN schematics
Jun 25 01:12:33 <tim_abell> anyone fancy giving me a hand? bluetooth keyboard... paired and connected, keypress events show up in hcidump, but don't make it to xev or evtest. any ideas what to look for? I've come a long way but am currently a bit stumped, 
Jun 25 01:12:58 <tim_abell> my notes so far are at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard#Om2009
Jun 25 01:17:41 <tim_abell> hcidump for a single keypress http://pastebin.ca/1473582
Jun 25 01:29:15 <tim_abell> well, i say they show up. the hcidump is a bit of a mystery to me
Jun 25 01:47:41 <tim_abell> i'll post a message to the mailing list instead seeing as it's all quiet in here
Jun 25 01:50:26 <d1b> tim_abell:  i couldn't use btscanner :(
Jun 25 01:50:46 <tim_abell> btscanner?
Jun 25 01:52:03 <tim_abell> just asked the guys at #bluez-users and "vcgnomes" said that my dump looks like a success
Jun 25 01:52:22 <tim_abell> which means the keystrokes are getting no further for some reason
Jun 25 01:52:25 <tim_abell> damn
Jun 25 01:52:35 <tim_abell> i have no idea where to look now
Jun 25 01:55:25 <tim_abell> 2009.06.25 02:55:14.183 frameworkd.kobject   DEBUG    Received kobject notification: 'remove@/class/bluetooth/hci0/hci0:43\x00ACTION=remove\x00DEVPATH=/class/bluetooth/hci0/hci0:43\x00SUBSYSTEM=bluetooth\x00DEVTYPE=link\x00PHYSDEVPATH=/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0\x00PHYSDEVBUS=usb\x00PHYSDEVDRIVER=btusb\x00SEQNUM=986\x00'
Jun 25 01:55:49 <tim_abell> 2009.06.25 02:55:16.885 frameworkd.kobject   DEBUG    Received kobject notification: 'add@/class/bluetooth/hci0/hci0:42\x00ACTION=add\x00DEVPATH=/class/bluetooth/hci0/hci0:42\x00SUBSYSTEM=bluetooth\x00DEVTYPE=link\x00PHYSDEVPATH=/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0\x00PHYSDEVBUS=usb\x00PHYSDEVDRIVER=btusb\x00SEQNUM=987\x00'
Jun 25 01:55:49 <tim_abell> 2009.06.25 02:55:17.38 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUG    active = False
Jun 25 01:55:59 <tim_abell> not sure what that's all about but doesn't seem to help
Jun 25 01:56:13 * tim_abell wonders what else to look at
Jun 25 01:59:47 <tim_abell> anyone know how bluetooth key events get to X and what debug tools i could use?
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