**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 01 02:59:57 2009 Jul 01 04:14:58 time for some shrage Jul 01 04:15:17 SHRage is what im talking about Jul 01 04:18:59 hello all Jul 01 04:31:03 we need an shr release Jul 01 04:47:58 can someone help me with a problem? Jul 01 04:48:34 i cant install anything on on fr..it just says error cannot access repository Jul 01 05:04:06 br00t4l can you ping an external ip? Jul 01 05:11:38 yes Jul 01 05:14:55 now when i try to ssh into the phone it says it needs a password Jul 01 05:17:36 br00t4l: are you sure you're not trying to log in into your own phone? Jul 01 05:17:42 *your own pc Jul 01 05:18:00 yeah Jul 01 05:18:19 fr is 192.168.0.202, not 200 (just to be sure) Jul 01 05:18:33 yep Jul 01 05:20:04 im just tryin to get the installer to work Jul 01 05:21:45 passwd is empty Jul 01 05:22:42 just hit enter (stupid dropbear doing this nonsense) Jul 01 06:10:34 i have the barebones installation of OM2008.9 how can i get the full version Jul 01 06:11:45 br00t4l: om2008 is deprecated and unsupported Jul 01 06:12:00 ahh Jul 01 06:12:24 i see Jul 01 06:12:35 well besides android what is a good distro Jul 01 06:14:09 br00t4l: ahahaha Jul 01 06:14:28 .... Jul 01 06:15:06 something funny? Jul 01 06:26:47 br00t4l: yes, both om2008 and android were crap from the very beginning. And android is there to stay the way it is. Jul 01 06:27:23 well what would you recommend Jul 01 06:30:33 br00t4l: join SHR Jul 01 06:30:58 ok Jul 01 06:31:07 br00t4l: or Debian Jul 01 06:32:44 PaulFertser: I installed Om2009 unstable yesterday, and successfully made and received a phone call! So, that's no show-stopper any more... Now let's find out if I can get other apps to install without breaking that. Or even opkg upgrade... Jul 01 06:33:29 ChristW: nice Jul 01 06:33:45 ChristW: wrt Qi Jul 01 06:34:33 ChristW: quite possibly the wiki page is wrong, i might have misintepreted Qi sources when i wrote that part (OTOH Andy, the Qi author did a major redesign/rewrite of that page and haven't corrected that part) Jul 01 06:36:12 ChristW: probably i didn't believe what i wrote myself (based on practical experience) ;) Jul 01 06:36:24 :-) Jul 01 06:40:38 ChristW: you need to press AUX anytime during reading of kernel or before. Does it correspond with your experience? Jul 01 06:42:25 My experience is that I was never successful in skipping a partition! What kiralhy1 told me yesterday was correct: Hold power, press aux, release power, release aux. That works, but is totally different from what the Wiki tells you to do! Jul 01 06:42:26 ChristW: or no, before wouldn't work, only _during_ reading of the kernel. Jul 01 06:42:51 And _during_ would be the longish red flash after the short flash? Jul 01 06:43:18 ChristW: holding power doesn't make any sense at all (unless you want to have kernel debug level to be set to 8 to see messages on LCM) Jul 01 06:43:38 Hum. Jul 01 06:44:32 ChristW: ok, so first time led is turned on on successful partition mount Jul 01 06:44:51 ChristW: then it's turned off on start of the kernel pull Jul 01 06:45:04 ChristW: then it's turned on on end of the kernel pull Jul 01 06:45:24 So it needs to be pressed when the led is OFF... Jul 01 06:45:36 ChristW: then it's turned off before actually starting the kernel. Jul 01 06:45:41 ChristW: yes, looks like that. Jul 01 06:45:55 Well, time to check that! Jul 01 06:46:16 * ChristW hols the power btn for 10s to shut down... Jul 01 06:46:36 ChristW: and if you hold power right before actual kernel start, you'll have debugging on LCM. Jul 01 06:46:44 * ChristW has trouble typing with left hand while holding power with right thumb, apparently ;-) Jul 01 06:47:18 ChristW: left-handed dvorak ftw ;) Jul 01 06:47:55 I pressed AUX in the first flash, in the black space and in the red flash, but still the wrong partition mounted and was run. Jul 01 06:48:19 ChristW: try again Jul 01 06:48:41 ChristW: a can assure you that holding power should have no effect on skipping Jul 01 06:49:47 Hum, pressing AUX a few times _before_ the first red flash seems to skip the partition (I can feel the vib) Jul 01 06:50:05 Before the first red flash? interesting Jul 01 06:50:32 ChristW: ok, trying myself Jul 01 06:50:51 Holding the power button immediately seems to lengthen the time that's available for pressing the AUX button somehow. I did not see kernel messages after partition skipping that way. Jul 01 06:51:22 ChristW: tried multiple times, for me pressing AUX during first red flash works. Jul 01 06:51:53 ChristW: not every time, but mostly Jul 01 06:51:59 Weird... The first red flash takes almost no time, though... Jul 01 06:52:10 So it's hard to press it then :-) Jul 01 06:52:24 We really need (TM) a boot screen! Jul 01 06:52:33 ChristW: no! Jul 01 06:53:09 ...I mean a minimal Linux kernel that _does_ LCM init and then displays a screen to choose a partition to boot from. Jul 01 06:53:27 ChristW: i can see the first flash for almost a second Jul 01 06:53:42 ChristW: (initramfs bootmenu) ack Jul 01 06:54:37 The first flash takes way less than a second here! If it's .2 seconds it's much, Jul 01 06:54:42 ChristW: press AUX for longer. Start after the led is on and hold it. Jul 01 06:56:28 Wowsers, I need to be quick to do that, but that seems to work... So, pressing AUX during partition mount does indeed skip that partition! Jul 01 06:57:13 The only thing I failed to do is to skip the NEXT after skipping partition Jul 01 07:04:12 Another question... The wiki says that the Ethernet address of the Moko changes after each reboot, but I thought that Qi fixed that as well? Jul 01 07:07:19 ChristW: yes, Qi fixed that Jul 01 07:08:17 Good. That means that I can probably use OS-X at work to connect to the FR! Jul 01 07:08:46 ChristW: you don't need Qi for persistent MAC address for sure :) Jul 01 07:09:24 PaulFertser: don't you know if it is possible to skip the second boot partition in qi also if I don't want to boot from it. Jul 01 07:15:02 use uBoot :-P Jul 01 07:18:28 Do I need to do anything 'magic' to let the FR use the correct time? It's not exactly 23:43 here... Jul 01 07:18:43 Uhm. Jul 01 07:18:53 It just jumped to 09:18, skip that question. Jul 01 07:19:01 The magic was that I asked about it here, I guess... Jul 01 07:19:48 gps Jul 01 07:20:13 I would _guess_ that it's not 'on' at the moment, or is it> Jul 01 07:21:17 so maybe your gsm-provider provisions time. some do Jul 01 07:23:06 Well, it is attached to the Internet now, so I guess that NTP is active? Browsing through the logs, I can see 'NTP: requesting timestamp' Jul 01 07:23:34 yup Jul 01 07:24:18 though for unknown reasons it doesn't work over gprs for me Jul 01 07:25:05 I haven't checked GPRS yet. Jul 01 07:25:13 Does Wifi 'work'? Jul 01 07:25:35 Settings -> Wifi -> Scan does... nothing! Jul 01 07:27:13 not with WPA here. didn't check others. And I don't even know about settings->scan, prolly U r not using SHR? Jul 01 07:27:30 Om2009 unstable. Jul 01 07:34:49 Q-Master: it is Jul 01 07:39:18 ChristW: i've heard that mirko implemented a nice gui to use wifi. Jul 01 07:39:26 ChristW: so scanning and connecting should work. Jul 01 07:39:39 PaulFertser: unfortunately that does not help with the kernel bug :( Jul 01 07:39:55 lindi-_: yep :( Jul 01 07:40:10 lindi-_: still i'm against using workarounds we don't understand. Jul 01 07:40:16 So, it's up to waiting for a new kernel version at the moment... Jul 01 07:40:31 lindi-_: because it means we're hiding the problem instead of solving, not the true way. Jul 01 07:43:12 ChristW: for me wifi works with the latest kernel when i use wpa_supplicant (for wep, open and wpa networks). Jul 01 07:51:33 ChristW: sometimes some access points require "wmiconfig -i eth0 --maxperf" Jul 01 07:51:53 ChristW: and with some access points it doesn't work at all (though they're in minority". Jul 01 07:52:59 ChristW: i never do ifconfig up/down therefore i don't experience the bug. I let wpa_supplicant do everything necessary. Jul 01 09:28:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7624160bf742 10/framework/resource.py: Jul 01 09:28:27 freesmartphone.org: resource: try to actually call fsousaged before giving up Jul 01 09:28:27 freesmartphone.org: (if you're lucky, it might start on demand due to dbus system activation) Jul 01 09:28:27 freesmartphone.org: * use dbuscache Jul 01 10:12:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd896101d5ef7 10/framework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ousaged: mark as DEPRECATED Jul 01 11:52:17 ~seen balgor-kun Jul 01 11:52:19 dos1: i haven't seen 'balgor-kun' Jul 01 11:52:22 ~senn balrog-kun Jul 01 11:52:30 ... Jul 01 11:52:34 ~seen balrog-kun Jul 01 11:52:35 balrog-kun was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 72d 23h 25m 25s ago, saying: 'under freebsd'. Jul 01 11:54:15 Interesting. Jul 01 11:54:36 Vodaphone are rolling out end-users buying femptocells in the UK. Jul 01 11:54:41 160 quid+broadband Jul 01 13:22:10 openmoko: 03werner * r5262 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/series: Patch set update for KiCad r1853. Jul 01 15:26:24 hi Jul 01 15:27:13 hi Jul 01 16:29:13 openmoko: 03daveb * r5263 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch io.sch): move EINT to CPU sheet Jul 01 16:35:35 openmoko: 03daveb * r5264 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (STATUS gta02-core.sch sd-sim.sch): new sheet - SD card and Sim holder Jul 01 16:35:58 Hi folks Jul 01 16:36:24 I'm trying to do a "opkg -test upgrade" to see what would be upgraded. Unfortunately, it makes my Freerunner slow down to something slower than a crawl Jul 01 16:36:39 hey max Jul 01 16:41:03 ah, I guess I'm suffering from http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/480 Jul 01 16:45:17 by the way, how safe is it to upgrade SHR unstable? Can I safely upgrade or should I stick to reflashing root images? Jul 01 16:45:34 I think its safe Jul 01 16:45:43 then I'll go for it :) Jul 01 16:46:06 if you ready face some bugs, and don't afraid of report them at #openmoko-cdevel and get fast fixes Jul 01 16:46:15 I'm alwats updating (not reflashing) Jul 01 16:46:20 I'm always ready to face fast fixes :) Jul 01 17:02:51 openmoko: 03werner * r5265 10/trunk/gta02-core/Debug-Core/ (38 files): Debug V3 board schematics and components by jianming liu Jul 01 17:13:25 hey all Jul 01 17:54:35 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5266 10/trunk/gta02-core/gps.sch: Misc updates to GPS Jul 01 18:07:03 openmoko: 03werner * r5267 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (3 files): Update for r1855. Removed evil "boost fix". Jul 01 18:17:46 code.google goes way too slow atm ... Jul 01 18:17:52 stupid google Jul 01 18:52:26 pieterc: Works fine for me. Jul 01 18:52:55 now it does:) Jul 01 18:53:07 * pieterc whore-A! Jul 01 18:53:15 * pieterc meant Houray! Jul 01 18:54:06 balrog-kun: ping Jul 01 19:12:10 Hats off for shr. Jul 01 19:12:17 max_posedon: And thanks for suggestion :) Jul 01 19:14:16 Always welcome, but you should thanks fso/shr teams mainly) Jul 01 19:14:25 Yep Jul 01 19:14:38 But I can bet I'll try Gentoo when I have time ;) Jul 01 19:14:58 btw, you still can little bit make your shr better Jul 01 19:15:49 1. install coreutils, vim, grep, openssh Jul 01 19:15:55 2 switvh to fso-abyss and fsousaged Jul 01 19:16:32 Ok, will take a look. Jul 01 19:18:18 I still haven't ran into some interesting utility that would allow to specify some kind of modes for the two buttons. Jul 01 19:25:20 Would like to write one when I have time, though :/ Jul 01 20:47:02 josch: pong Jul 01 20:47:14 balrog-kun: hey! Jul 01 20:47:20 balrog-kun: i tried out schwartz Jul 01 20:47:50 josch: cool Jul 01 20:47:54 and as you warned in your blog compiling isn't very straight forward ;) Jul 01 20:47:55 but it didn't work? Jul 01 20:47:59 ah Jul 01 20:48:05 well i got the binary for starters Jul 01 20:48:26 but problems start that it seems to use ld-linux.so.2 but i have .3 Jul 01 20:48:40 so in the end it would be really nice to have it compile for my system Jul 01 20:48:44 humm Jul 01 20:49:23 balrog-kun: also i would like to make either a debian package out of it Jul 01 20:49:38 or link ld4 and gllin into one binary Jul 01 20:49:49 i really dislike this eabi chroot on my system Jul 01 20:50:07 josch: has the reverse-engineering work stopped? Jul 01 20:50:28 josch: i can't see any place in the code that uses ld-linux.so.2, i guess it's gllin trying to load ld-linux.so.2, let me check what i did to work around this Jul 01 20:50:35 josch: oh, did you send me an email earlier this week? Jul 01 20:50:48 lindi-_: afaik the reversed part up to know cant do more than get some satellite data Jul 01 20:50:53 balrog-kun: i did :) Jul 01 20:51:04 josch: i was travelling until today, sorry i haven't replied yet Jul 01 20:51:13 no prob at all :D Jul 01 20:51:23 take your time Jul 01 20:51:47 i was really surprised when i discovered schwartz - it's really what we search for Jul 01 20:53:30 lindi-_: yes, it stopped Jul 01 20:53:51 lindi-_: bassically it stopped a bit before it was announced for definate that GTA02 would not have the same GPS Jul 01 20:54:00 as it seemed likely to be going that way at that time Jul 01 20:55:51 still there are people out there who have to use gllin and compared to crowd /usr/share/gllin with eabi libs even a dirty hack like schwartz looks beautiful :D Jul 01 20:56:05 it should just build properly ;) Jul 01 20:56:37 * SpeedEvil wishes for hammerhead docs. Jul 01 20:57:09 hi all...is here anyone who uses michael trimarki's newest android images? Jul 01 20:57:59 * josch tries to wake up one of his gta01s from deep discharge to paste balrog-kun some build errors Jul 01 20:58:05 openmoko: 03daveb * r5268 10/trunk/gta02-core/sd-sim.sch: SD card & SIM sheet Jul 01 21:01:34 josch: i'm not certain, but i think the --depnofail parameter was to make gllin run despite ld-linux.so.2 not available Jul 01 21:02:19 balrog-kun: my fix was to just link my .3 to .2 ;) Jul 01 21:02:26 balrog-kun: but it still failed with the binary Jul 01 21:07:51 josch: do you remember how it failed? Jul 01 21:08:23 balrog-kun: no this is why i try to boot up my gta01 ;) Jul 01 21:08:50 ah Jul 01 21:13:42 balrog-kun: btw, i want to say i really liked your articles about the tricky linker. Jul 01 21:14:08 +1 on that Jul 01 21:15:13 lindi-_: so you're basically voting for committing that fix despite the reasons why up/down stopped working are still unknown and no relevant changes to the wifi driver were made? I'd agree if i was sure it wouldn't harm current consumption. Jul 01 21:15:33 PaulFertser: not voting, just posting raw information :) Jul 01 21:15:51 lindi-_: but do you propose to? Can you confirm it doesnt increase current? Jul 01 21:16:03 too busy to check that now Jul 01 21:16:16 balrog-kun: i mean, i read those articles and thought "wow, that guy really knows how to have some fun" ;) Jul 01 21:16:19 PaulFertser: can you add that question to the buf report? Jul 01 21:17:50 lindi-_: from the report it seems that it _does_ increase current, that's the reason i'm worried. Jul 01 21:18:31 balrog-kun: it boots now and btw i use a kernel without eabi support build in Jul 01 21:18:32 PaulFertser: re current consumption i should get Xorg issue the FBIOBLANK ioctl too Jul 01 21:18:55 josch: i guess you meant OABI. Jul 01 21:20:05 oups Jul 01 21:20:09 sure Jul 01 21:23:57 balrog-kun: http://paste.debian.net/40782/ Jul 01 21:26:39 balrog-kun: and btw, if you ever going to visit Moscow again and want to borrow a bicycle, feel free to ping me (preferrably in advance), i'll find something rideable :D Jul 01 21:30:21 The wiki says still no PIM on SHR, but I thought I'd about an implementation already? Is it only in the unstable feeds? Jul 01 21:34:01 bove_: there is a preliminary support in unstable. Jul 01 21:34:30 bove_: means unlimited number of SMSes for now (and i think contacts too). Jul 01 21:34:47 bove_: for details ask dos1, he's the main opimd activist. Jul 01 21:35:16 bove_: And i guess it requires using a dedicated SMS app (though i'm not sure) Jul 01 21:39:01 I need to use my freerunner as a phone for a couple of days now, but I need to get all my contacts (more than can fit on SIM card). Maybe I'll try om2009. It does have a proper contacts function, right? Jul 01 21:39:38 do you know which timezone dos1 is in? Jul 01 21:41:09 balrog-kun: here is the strace: http://sprunge.us/jOjR Jul 01 21:41:24 bove_: i'd guess UTC+2 currently, he's in Poland. Jul 01 21:42:36 bove_: as to the Paroli, i know it doesn't store SMSes on SIM, so quite possibly the same is true for contacts. Jul 01 21:43:32 ok. I'm flashing latest SHR unstable now to see what works and not Jul 01 21:44:18 bove_: people reported some problems with it, so beware Jul 01 21:59:17 balrog-kun: any ideas? Jul 01 22:23:18 balrog-kun: i'm going to bed now - see you tomorrow or drop me a mail Jul 01 22:23:19 bye! Jul 01 22:24:09 openmoko: 03daveb * r5269 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: eliminate the cross joint I carelessly introduced Jul 01 22:35:31 josch: oh, sorry Jul 01 22:35:34 i went offline again Jul 01 22:36:10 the output looks kindof familiar and correct, up to the illegal instruction point Jul 01 22:36:48 i'll need to get my gta01 to usable state to see what's happening there Jul 01 22:36:55 PaulFertser: that's great to hear Jul 01 22:37:58 i wonder if that is the same gllin binary as i used Jul 01 22:48:49 also i wonder if creating a /tmp/nmeaNP would change the output Jul 02 02:28:54 openmoko: 03werner * r5270 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (3 files): Added tentative fix for eeschema ./foo.sch -> error problem. Jul 02 02:49:38 anyone awake? Jul 02 02:53:11 hey Digital **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 02 02:59:57 2009