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Jul 27 07:31:05 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03werner * r5325 10/developers/werner/fped/ (23 files): Footprint editor. Work in progress.
Jul 27 08:02:21 <methril|work> 'morning
Jul 27 08:04:37 <Think-Free> methril|work : Hi !
Jul 27 08:05:18 <tomcatek> hello
Jul 27 08:31:24 <jaj> can anybody recommend me email software for the freerunner? in the shr-unstable repo I only find claws-mail
Jul 27 08:41:29 <PaulFertser> jaj: people say claws is good. Also i see no reason why not to use mutt.
Jul 27 10:43:11 <jaj> is there any way with opkg to list orphaned packages?
Jul 27 10:51:32 <Wonka> jaj: i don't know any. as a workaround, i grepped `opkg list_installed` for lines without description
Jul 27 10:57:32 <jaj> Wonka: thanks
Jul 27 10:57:48 <Wonka> np
Jul 27 13:04:29 <argiris> Signature check failed<---I get this to all repository downloads.openmoko.org
Jul 27 14:05:27 <stongo> hello
Jul 27 14:06:36 <stongo> has anyone succesfully boosted the volume in call in SHR?
Jul 27 14:06:49 <stongo> I altered gsmhandset.state, but it didn't seem to help
Jul 27 14:16:35 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * rfcdef063f05e 10/html/index.html: index.html: add link to org.freesmartphone.PIM.Sources
Jul 27 14:45:33 <argiris> Package matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'.I downloaded this package from anywhere.what I must do?
Jul 27 15:54:49 <Chocky> bitches + Dave
Jul 27 15:55:10 <Chocky> noDave
Jul 27 15:57:17 * Chocky peers at latest SHR
Jul 27 15:57:27 <Chocky> having gotten FR back from repair.  
Jul 27 15:58:13 <Chocky> looked at Android yesterday.  Pretty impressive, but still imperfect for FR buttons, etc.  and couldn't figure out how to play music.  Documentation for Android not great.
Jul 27 16:00:47 <PaulFertser> Chocky: where's Dave?
Jul 27 16:03:58 <Chocky> dunno.  I've not been here for a couple of months
Jul 27 16:07:35 * Chocky expresses approval at SHR improvements
Jul 27 16:13:01 <Chocky> and I know the sound system is pretty crap, but MP3s sound bearable, and the media player is much better than pywossname
Jul 27 16:14:00 <dos1> ~seen Dave
Jul 27 16:14:05 <apt> dave <n=Daveweis@189-219.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 46d 21h 13m 29s ago, saying: '<dpkg> are you using Windows?, Dave'.
Jul 27 16:14:18 <Chocky> hm
Jul 27 16:40:40 <jaj> can the Freerunner GSM modem do GSM data (pre-GPRS) ?
Jul 27 16:40:50 <SpeedEvil> CSD you mean?
Jul 27 16:40:56 <SpeedEvil> As I understand, yse.
Jul 27 16:41:11 <SpeedEvil> but I'm not aware of anyone actually doing it.
Jul 27 16:41:19 <jaj> yes
Jul 27 16:43:38 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: i know the support is already in FSO
Jul 27 16:44:18 <PaulFertser> jaj: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commit;h=7c09174fb4e8837aabc8826e84e1efa6c2456216
Jul 27 16:44:58 <jaj> PaulFertser: but it won't do CSD if you don't explicitely tell it to do it?
Jul 27 16:46:54 <jaj> I'm asking because I've only been doing GPRS traffic and I have free unlimited GPRS traffic, however my provider billed me 90 cent yesterday evening between two GPRS connections
Jul 27 16:47:20 <jaj> so I thought it might have gone through CSD for some reason
Jul 27 16:47:41 <SpeedEvil> Ah - no.
Jul 27 16:47:43 <PaulFertser> jaj: no, it won't do it
Jul 27 16:47:47 <SpeedEvil> CSD is _utterly_ different
Jul 27 16:48:05 <SpeedEvil> It's nothing to do with GPRS.
Jul 27 16:48:42 <SpeedEvil> GPRS is - sort-of PPP using variable bandwidth with your phone company as your ISP
Jul 27 16:49:10 <SpeedEvil> CSD is circuit switched data - which is basically a fixed bandwidth ISDN-like connection between two phones
Jul 27 16:50:57 <jaj> thank you for the explanation
Jul 27 16:52:11 <vmx> i can't ping to the other machines. i'm trying out om2009 atm. i can ping the machine it is connected to, but not any other machines in the network. what can be wrong (i've disabled the firewall on the machine it is connected to)?
Jul 27 16:52:56 <jaj> vmx: you have to do NAT on the machine that the freerunner is connected to
Jul 27 16:53:07 <jaj> vmx: see USB networking in the wiki
Jul 27 16:53:49 <PaulFertser> Or bridging
Jul 27 16:54:01 <PaulFertser> Or routing
Jul 27 16:54:13 <vmx> thanks jaj, i'll havea look. though it already worked ages ago (with debian and om2008 iirc)
Jul 27 16:58:41 <geaaru> hi, is there a param for set retry timeout on client.conf file?
Jul 27 16:58:44 <geaaru> thanks in advance
Jul 27 17:03:35 <jaj> you've been doing a great job with SHR IMHO. I haven't been using my freerunner for about 6 months and I'm quite impressed now that I flashed it with shr-unstable
Jul 27 17:05:06 <geaaru> sorry... wrong tab .. :'(
Jul 27 17:07:42 <vmx> i've just checked it. i can ping to the ouside from om2008, but not with om2009
Jul 27 17:08:06 <jaj> vmx: have you changed the gateway?
Jul 27 17:08:26 <vmx> jaj, i haven't changed anything
Jul 27 17:09:01 <jaj> vmx: type "route" in om2009 and see if what it says 
Jul 27 17:19:14 * Wonka is waiting
Jul 27 17:42:17 <tobii_> Wonka: ping?
Jul 27 17:42:42 <tobii_> Wonka: how long do you stay at TP?
Jul 27 17:44:47 <Wonka> tobii_: 21h? 22h?
Jul 27 17:44:54 <tobii_> k
Jul 27 17:44:56 <Wonka> tobii_: am already there
Jul 27 17:44:59 <tobii_> i takle the next bus
Jul 27 17:54:50 <vmx> i found the problem. om2008 showed up as usb0, om2009 as eth2
Jul 27 17:55:19 <vmx> i had set the correct routing (etc) settings only for usb0
Jul 27 18:25:02 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r64e7e5ecad0f 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: implement deleting messages
Jul 27 18:27:27 <rss> Hi, how to disable SHR from backing up in /media/card
Jul 27 18:27:45 <rss> I have jul. 3rd release
Jul 27 18:35:52 <Wonka> wb tobii_ 
Jul 27 18:36:01 <tobii_> ;)
Jul 27 20:11:31 <tobii_> Wonka: at home :)
Jul 27 20:12:43 <Wonka> tobii_: that was faster than the other way around :)
Jul 27 20:13:19 <Wonka> tobii_: and zgps just seemed to have died - reacted to nothing but kill :(
Jul 27 20:13:56 <tobii_> Wonka: what have you done?
Jul 27 20:15:12 <Wonka> tobii_: nothing. just having it lying around.
Jul 27 20:15:27 <Wonka> tobii_: seems I need to drop it and improve omgps instead...
Jul 27 20:15:38 <Wonka> tobii_: or write my own GUI thingie
Jul 27 20:15:57 <Wonka> anyway, I think I'll go home soon
Jul 27 20:17:18 <tobii_> Wonka: do you work tomorrow or do you also have holidays?
Jul 27 20:19:01 <Wonka> tobii_: no holidays yet. get some work done... for the money ;
Jul 27 20:19:06 <Wonka> ;)
Jul 27 20:19:27 <Wonka> HAR will get expensive enough
Jul 27 20:19:43 <tobii_> hehe
Jul 27 20:19:50 <tobii_> but you got the ticket already
Jul 27 20:19:52 <tobii_> ;D
Jul 27 20:20:10 <Wonka> ack, and I paid 150EUR
Jul 27 20:20:16 <Wonka> (only)
Jul 27 20:20:16 <tobii_> wow
Jul 27 20:20:26 <Wonka> earlybird discount
Jul 27 20:20:31 <Wonka> april or so
Jul 27 20:20:49 <tobii_> do you drive with your bike or car?
Jul 27 20:20:55 <Wonka> will get a car
Jul 27 20:21:01 <Wonka> europcar or something
Jul 27 20:21:15 <Wonka> put my stuff in it, a mattress, my bike...
Jul 27 20:21:25 <Wonka> some car big enough to sleep in
Jul 27 20:21:51 <Wonka> tents tend to get wet...
Jul 27 20:24:45 <Wonka> tobii_: by the way, did you know openbmap yet?
Jul 27 20:26:14 <Wonka> tobii_: a database of GSM cells - so you get some raw (about several km) position estimate just by looking which GSM cell you're in, use that to fetch agps data, and then use that to get a low TTFF :)
Jul 27 20:28:41 <tobii_> Wonka: no i didn't hear about it
Jul 27 23:09:53 <der-lehmann> whats up with the vids from Essen?
Jul 27 23:11:13 <der-lehmann> are they lost?
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