**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 28 02:59:57 2009 Jul 28 05:09:44 so the name of the room is now paper weights r us? Jul 28 05:13:58 The software is continuing to improve Jul 28 05:14:25 what makes a freerunner a paperweight? Jul 28 05:14:33 it's still as functional as it was Jul 28 05:16:26 I hope openmoko has a camera D: Jul 28 05:22:11 Blu3 the point it's functionality made it a paper weight Jul 28 05:22:28 seems to work pretty good by me Jul 28 05:23:07 well to be honest, mines been in a drawer for over a year Jul 28 05:23:23 its ok, they are not afraid of dark Jul 28 05:23:34 my two seem to be surviving in the light ok too ;) Jul 28 05:23:55 I was wondering if the OS is a little more solid for Wifi Jul 28 05:24:54 and gps Jul 28 05:25:03 i admit there are some bugs, but they usually get fixed. we just like making more bugs to keep ourselves occupied Jul 28 05:25:18 my wifi works pretty good, gps works rather well too Jul 28 05:25:21 I dont even want to use it as a phone, just gps/wifi Jul 28 05:25:31 even wifi would be nice Jul 28 05:25:43 wifi music player Jul 28 05:26:04 i tend to leave my phone plugged into the charger by the aquarium and ssh into it to write my software 'n stuff Jul 28 05:26:27 being that i do it most of the day, i'd wager that wifi is stable enough to be useful Jul 28 05:26:41 so it's a fish sitter... good good.. thinking out of the box Jul 28 05:28:18 wifi work though? I just have a acer strapped to the car works great Jul 28 05:32:24 so whats the story hows wifi? Jul 28 05:36:46 what do i smell? Jul 28 05:50:16 lindi_: hi :) Jul 28 05:50:54 lindi_: the plan is to move to the new kernel development model really soon, so old crap like that will be just omitted. Jul 28 05:52:38 WTF OM uses trac and it doesn't support replying by mail :( Jul 28 08:15:27 Guys, i still can't understand why i should see a blue LED when my battery is actually not full and not charging? Jul 28 08:15:37 Imagine i came home, plugged to the usb, it charged the battery fully to 100%, disabled charger (to not damaged the battery) and then i get a call and talk for an hour. All that time the battery is discharging by the gsm modem. Is discharging. And it's not 100% capacity anymore. Jul 28 08:15:48 Isn't it confusing to see the blue led while your battery is only at 80%? Jul 28 08:15:58 Even with the charger plugged you can have you battery discharging with as much as ~100mA! Jul 28 08:16:14 ^^^ RFC ^^^ Jul 28 08:16:32 threshold setting somewhere? Jul 28 08:17:41 ndnihil: it's a matter of UI, the behaviour itself is correct. Jul 28 08:20:22 I leave mine plugged in most of the time Jul 28 08:20:43 is the charging circuit not smart enough to stop charging? Jul 28 08:23:04 Isn't the color of the led controlled by frameworkd? Jul 28 08:41:17 ndnihil: if you use the latest Qi then you're safe. What i don't like is that FSO keeps blue led despite it's not charging anymore. Jul 28 08:41:54 thrashold: exactly. I don't like how frameworkd indicates the state when the battery is not charged anymore. Jul 28 08:42:42 It's just a little sloppy ;) Jul 28 08:44:11 thrashold: btw, we can use both blue and orange at the same time, gives beautiful magenta. Jul 28 08:45:05 I'm surprised that frameworkd doesn't manage to produce magenta by accident already :) Jul 28 08:46:36 i wrote a tool to control LED devices, git clone http://iki.fi/lindi/git/ledctrl/ if you want to test Jul 28 08:50:37 lindi_: i thought you are a darcs adept? Jul 28 08:51:23 PaulFertser: it was just an easy way to learn distributed scm Jul 28 08:53:02 lindi_: :) is the tool suitroot'able? Jul 28 08:53:54 PaulFertser: not sure yet Jul 28 08:54:11 PaulFertser: i filed a kernel bug Jul 28 08:54:26 PaulFertser: meanwhile I can maybe invoke a tiny suidroot helper to change the permissions when needed Jul 28 08:54:27 lindi_: i thought perl scripts are the same wrt this as bash. Jul 28 08:54:43 PaulFertser: i think so yes Jul 28 08:55:07 actually, i filed two kernel bugs Jul 28 08:55:58 http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11612 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2302 Jul 28 08:58:07 do you know a good lightweight imageviewer ? Jul 28 08:58:31 (available on SHR) Jul 28 08:58:58 lindi_: i saw the first. Jul 28 08:59:34 lindi_: are you sure you want it fixed right now or you can wait till the 2.6.31 release and more appropriate kernel development model? Jul 28 09:03:49 lindi_: btw, you're still using u-boot, right? Jul 28 09:04:50 lindi_: i'm afraid it still uses a wrong value for charging cutoff current and kernel doesn't change that. This results in overcharging the battery. Jul 28 09:05:36 PaulFertser: Qi right nowbecause of glamo Jul 28 09:05:56 PaulFertser: should it not be fixed in mainline? Jul 28 09:06:12 PaulFertser: i was just not sure if itis openmokos pecific bug, i have no other led dfevices Jul 28 09:07:04 lindi_: what bug? Permissions or trigger? Jul 28 09:09:06 PaulFertser: both Jul 28 09:09:38 lindi_: trigger is introduced on purpose by Seon McNeil for unknown reason, it should be simply reverted. Jul 28 09:10:05 lindi_: first i suppose is a design flaw, let's wait what Greg will answer to your comment. Jul 28 09:10:50 PaulFertser: trigger is needed surely for blinking? Jul 28 09:11:07 PaulFertser: which bug are you talking? ;) Jul 28 09:11:33 lindi_: you gave me two links: one is about trigger not reset when brightness is 0. That's OM-specific. Jul 28 09:11:43 lindi_: second is permissions in sysfs. Jul 28 09:12:02 lindi_: s/trigger is introduced/trigger bug is introduced/ Jul 28 09:13:50 PaulFertser: aha Jul 28 09:13:57 PaulFertser: good to know it is OM specific :) Jul 28 09:14:10 lindi_: Haven't you seen larsc's responce? Jul 28 09:15:00 PaulFertser: nope Jul 28 09:15:16 PaulFertser: I am unable to access my home machine since people spilled water on my adsl modem Jul 28 09:15:34 lindi_: btw, looks like we can dump our cool gta02-specific bq27000-enabled fancy batteries as i don't see it's any better than nokia's. Jul 28 09:15:44 PaulFertser: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/talojakamo-2009-07-28/ has photos :P Jul 28 09:16:06 lindi_: you have documented _everything_ in your life :D Jul 28 09:16:31 PaulFertser: well, there were some 14 users for that adsl, they started complaining to me Jul 28 09:16:36 PaulFertser: and i'm in spain now Jul 28 09:17:00 lindi_: probably you have a log for every relationship too, just in case? ;) Jul 28 09:19:44 PaulFertser: that's what irc logs are for :) Jul 28 09:22:00 PaulFertser, you don't want to use Nokia stuff Jul 28 09:22:21 RamsesFSFE: why? Because nokia is evil? Jul 28 09:23:09 PaulFertser, yes, definitely. They support the dictators in Iran with technical support for their censorship infrastructure. That's inacceptable for someone who wants to support free systems Jul 28 09:23:46 RamsesFSFE: yes. Also i need to stop using google even to search the web, right? Jul 28 09:24:23 RamsesFSFE: also i can say nokia bl5-c compatible batteries instead. Jul 28 09:24:41 Dirt cheap and easily accessible. Jul 28 09:25:41 RamsesFSFE: btw, Nokia doesn't produce those batteries themselves, there're several vendors who do that as ODM/OEM (?). Jul 28 09:27:14 I see Jul 28 09:27:37 Hi all Jul 28 09:28:56 PaulFertser, Hi Jul 28 09:29:33 I have done the new android version of the freerunner and I think for now is the best one Jul 28 09:29:36 panicking: Hey :D Jul 28 09:29:59 panicking, I have a regression with the last battery commit Jul 28 09:30:00 panicking: i'm glad to see you're fine :) Jul 28 09:30:29 panicking: last battery commit? Jul 28 09:30:36 -ENODEV Jul 28 09:30:56 panicking: i think that's A bug, no? ;) Jul 28 09:31:28 yes, but I have strange beahvior, I read garbage sometimes Jul 28 09:31:32 from battery status file Jul 28 09:31:36 revert that one Jul 28 09:31:39 fix my issue Jul 28 09:32:08 panicking: can you be more specific? Jul 28 09:32:13 yes Jul 28 09:32:14 panicking: please? ;) Jul 28 09:32:44 ok Jul 28 09:32:48 read from /sys/class/power_supply/battery/status Jul 28 09:33:05 or /sys/class/power_supply/battery/health Jul 28 09:33:12 report invalid data Jul 28 09:33:25 Now it happen with the last commit Jul 28 09:33:31 the file is open and close Jul 28 09:33:42 from android subsystem Jul 28 09:34:13 panicking: how do you tell the data is invalid? Jul 28 09:34:46 because android use them to the upper layer Jul 28 09:34:54 and when read for example Jul 28 09:35:16 "/sys/class/power_supply/battery/technology" Jul 28 09:35:20 technology file Jul 28 09:35:31 the string is garbage Jul 28 09:35:36 and the system crash because Jul 28 09:35:38 it try Jul 28 09:35:42 to convert in UTF string Jul 28 09:35:53 panicking: brb Jul 28 09:36:05 Yes I know is how it works Jul 28 09:36:09 panicking: but you description is uber-funny. Android at its best :D Jul 28 09:36:17 ;) Jul 28 09:36:26 panicking: sorry, work, bb in 15 min. Jul 28 09:36:32 This is happen periodic to have an invalid state Jul 28 10:02:50 panicking: so, what files do report invalid data? Jul 28 10:03:20 The problem is in the android framework Jul 28 10:03:39 because it doesnt' check Jul 28 10:03:43 the present bit Jul 28 10:03:48 But I notice Jul 28 10:04:01 But the ENODEV condidion Jul 28 10:04:06 is periodic Jul 28 10:04:26 like sometimes it have an invalid state reporting Jul 28 10:04:32 panicking: periodic ENODEV is ok and expected behaviour. Just sometimes HDQ fails. Jul 28 10:04:33 and I have the battery plugged in Jul 28 10:04:42 Ok Jul 28 10:04:47 I don't know Jul 28 10:04:53 I didn't know Jul 28 10:04:57 this Jul 28 10:05:41 panicking: i'm not sure something can be done about it. HDQ is already implemented using FIQ's, i guess timing is ok there. No idea why it fails but since it doesn't happen too often i'm not sure it worth spending time at right now. Jul 28 10:06:22 ok, so reporting fail is the stable behavior Jul 28 10:06:26 sometimes Jul 28 10:06:56 Yes, unfortunately. Jul 28 10:07:42 panicking: do you use FR as your day-to-day cellphone? Jul 28 10:08:36 panicking: also don't forget that many people might want to use a dumb battery with FR, so it will report ENODEV constantly until the driver is unbinded. Jul 28 10:09:35 PaulFertser, I think that my last android images is a pretty good image Jul 28 10:09:50 I can use gmail wireless Jul 28 10:09:59 phone Jul 28 10:10:24 but I don't have a mobile Jul 28 10:10:39 I use the freerunner only for a target development platform Jul 28 10:11:57 Now the other distribuition are far away from android Jul 28 10:12:20 I'm working on hardware glamo acceleration Jul 28 10:12:23 on android Jul 28 10:13:03 panicking: far away in what sense? Jul 28 10:13:17 panicking: and why don't you have a cellphone? Jul 28 10:13:50 Android feature: Jul 28 10:14:05 - wifi Jul 28 10:14:12 - complete brawser support Jul 28 10:14:29 - gsm Jul 28 10:14:40 - video/music Jul 28 10:15:06 panicking: same in any GNU/Linux distro. Jul 28 10:15:18 - sensor on all application Jul 28 10:15:40 - it isn't slow in run application Jul 28 10:15:52 - android application download area Jul 28 10:16:09 panicking: what about bluetooth headsets support for GSM conversations? And for VoIP? What about high-quality A2DP bluetooth music streaming? Jul 28 10:16:29 panicking: every sane distro has a repository too. Jul 28 10:16:45 I don't try again the handset Jul 28 10:16:59 and the A2dp does'nt work Jul 28 10:17:11 panicking: from you featurelist i fail to see how A is any better than GNU/Linux distros. Jul 28 10:17:12 or maybe I don't know excatly what it is Jul 28 10:17:33 Because I have installed the other one Jul 28 10:17:41 maybe I miss somenthing distrib Jul 28 10:17:51 can you please give a name of a stable pretty distrib? Jul 28 10:18:07 panicking: no :) Jul 28 10:18:10 are there map packs for tango? Jul 28 10:18:21 panicking: SHR unstable is the one being actively developed. Jul 28 10:18:30 my friend google hasn't come back to me yet with results Jul 28 10:18:39 and i use friend in the loosest meaning there Jul 28 10:19:00 Did you try android? Jul 28 10:19:17 panicking: I? Jul 28 10:19:21 yes Jul 28 10:19:24 panicking: sure not Jul 28 10:19:30 I have spent three days to align Jul 28 10:19:30 panicking: i don't want to be tainted ;) Jul 28 10:19:42 to the latest one Jul 28 10:21:27 ok, I notice writing the sensor module Jul 28 10:21:29 in android Jul 28 10:21:51 that I feature can be to disable the accelerometer Jul 28 10:22:03 i would love to switch between shr and android i like both now :/ Jul 28 10:22:22 panicking: i don't want to use android because it's not really free software (license is ok, but it's not developed in the open), because it reinvents the wheel, because it's aimed at selling shit etc. Jul 28 10:22:35 yes I know Jul 28 10:22:49 but It is important to have stable version on the freerunner Jul 28 10:22:54 I don't love android Jul 28 10:23:10 but give the possibilty to the users to have a stable pretty Jul 28 10:23:14 mobile Jul 28 10:23:20 I don't want android on my freerunner as I have it on my G1 and it is not very quick there Jul 28 10:23:55 Wonka: ping Jul 28 10:26:05 panicking: and btw i had a talk with kernel devs from koolu android. They're too business oriented and don't want to collaborate properly :( Jul 28 10:26:59 tobii_: pong Jul 28 10:28:41 PaulFertser, koolu doesn't have kenrel devs Jul 28 10:28:49 I don't work with koolu Jul 28 10:28:51 i thought the koolu guys wanted to get it in the open Jul 28 10:29:05 panicking: i know that you're not from koolu. I talked with (uhm...) Jul 28 10:29:12 Chris? Jul 28 10:29:14 at least they're waving flags with those kind of statements on their homepage Jul 28 10:29:37 koolu has it's own not public kernel tree? Jul 28 10:29:50 larsc: it's public Jul 28 10:29:54 ah Jul 28 10:30:18 panicking: i talked with Brian Code Jul 28 10:30:45 http://git.koolu.org/?p=kernel/openmoko.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/koolu-1.0 Jul 28 10:30:59 Wonka:qry Jul 28 10:31:01 :) Jul 28 10:31:46 I know, but that kernel is the openmoko kernel + yaffs2 support Jul 28 10:32:19 and yaffs2 is not a koolu product Jul 28 10:32:23 panicking: + useless patches + android-shit wakelocks Jul 28 10:32:34 well the android shit wakelock Jul 28 10:32:40 will be included Jul 28 10:32:43 in the kernel Jul 28 10:32:48 suspend_lock Jul 28 10:32:59 It is a temp hack Jul 28 10:33:28 panicking: Andy tried to convince android guys to use a kernel directly from his repo. To collaborate. He did plenty of work to make that happen. Jul 28 10:33:54 I'm using andy repo Jul 28 10:34:00 from the beginning Jul 28 10:34:10 I never patched the kernel with yaffs2 support Jul 28 10:34:16 panicking: i'm talking about koolu kernel devs, not about you. Jul 28 10:34:22 Ok Jul 28 10:34:28 panicking: you're a cool man :D Jul 28 10:34:58 And you actually collaborate unlike those guys. Jul 28 10:35:16 yes I think that we need a community Jul 28 10:35:21 and I'm alone Jul 28 10:35:25 on android Jul 28 10:35:35 so I must push changes to koolu repositroy Jul 28 10:35:41 and wait for inclusion Jul 28 10:35:48 and prepare new stable version Jul 28 10:36:18 panicking: i think i know why you're alone. Hackers don't like android and there're plenty of very serious reasons for that. Jul 28 10:36:56 I read somenthing about open the android project Jul 28 10:37:20 but now the code 2 months old Jul 28 10:37:25 because google Jul 28 10:37:57 doesn't open the internal repository Jul 28 10:39:12 panicking: even if they did i don't see how it's any better to hack on android than on *nix system. Jul 28 10:41:06 I start android because I want help the openmoko project to sell freerunner Jul 28 10:42:18 And there are company that use freerunner in their internal project Jul 28 10:42:40 and they want to test android and I'm happy to have the opportunity to release new version Jul 28 10:45:27 panicking: understandable Jul 28 11:04:21 Yay, patches for improving gta01 battery driver and for using it on gta02 are sent. I hope i didn't mess anything up (as i usually do). Please test! Jul 28 11:04:52 (FYI gta01 battery driver allows you to use _any_ mechanically compatible battery in your freerunner and still get a capacity estimate). Jul 28 11:07:28 PaulFertser: can you charge nokia battery now? Jul 28 11:07:45 lindi_: it was possible before as well :D You just couldn't see it charging :) Jul 28 11:07:52 PaulFertser: ah Jul 28 11:07:55 lindi_: now you have a voltage reading from PMU. Jul 28 11:08:14 pa in what kernel version? Jul 28 11:10:21 lindi_: latest patches on the kernel ML. Jul 28 11:37:54 PaulFertser, can you explain somenthing about A2Dp Jul 28 11:38:02 Is there a support on the freerunner Jul 28 11:38:02 ? Jul 28 11:38:07 panicking: yes Jul 28 11:38:19 openmoko: 03werner * r5326 10/developers/werner/fped/ (13 files): Jul 28 11:38:19 openmoko: - added to do list Jul 28 11:38:19 openmoko: - vectors now have arrow heads Jul 28 11:38:19 openmoko: - breaking gui.c down into smaller parts Jul 28 11:38:19 openmoko: - added status area Jul 28 11:38:20 openmoko: - added zoom and centering Jul 28 11:38:21 panicking: it's nothing FR specific, pure bluez stuff. Jul 28 11:38:22 openmoko: Still a lot more to do. Jul 28 11:38:39 panicking: works only for streaming audio _to_ the headphones. Jul 28 11:41:14 panicking: i've heard that stock mplayer doesn't support streaming MP3 (but many headsets can decode it directly) but that's a general issue, nothing FR-specific. Jul 28 11:43:36 ok Jul 28 11:46:38 is it still a problem with suspend in shr-unstable? Jul 28 11:47:18 and what standby time is normal now a days? 1 or 2 days? Jul 28 11:47:58 fredrin: i don't know about suspend problems, shouldn't be any currently. Jul 28 11:48:14 fredrin: with deep sleep enabled suspend time can be as much as 143 hours. Jul 28 11:48:36 PaulFertser, how do i enable deep sleep? Jul 28 11:48:46 fredrin: do you have #1024 fixed? Jul 28 11:49:43 it just takes long time to register and some times i had to do it manualy with shr settings Jul 28 11:50:03 but with latest shr-unstable it works automagicaly again Jul 28 11:50:45 fredrin: what works? the bug? Jul 28 11:51:34 PaulFertser, i havent done anything to fix the bug myself, but i'm not sure if i'm affected Jul 28 11:52:06 fredrin: everybody is, sooner or later. Jul 28 11:52:16 so how do i fix it? Jul 28 11:52:35 fredrin: change one big (0805) capacitor. You can get a description in the ticket. Jul 28 11:53:12 not related to buzz fix? Jul 28 11:55:02 so this will be many "Recamping Parties" now :D ? Jul 28 11:55:21 i have the tools to fix hardware stuff.... or the skillz Jul 28 12:17:17 is there anyone using neovento? Jul 28 12:46:44 FU**, I don't find any accepted or missed calls on neovento Jul 28 12:59:42 is it very bad to force a laptop to charge with 1000mA Jul 28 13:00:01 don't have time to wait for the phone to charge with 500mA Jul 28 13:00:05 Most laptios charge with considerably more? Jul 28 13:00:11 I assume you mean charge from? Jul 28 13:00:18 yes Jul 28 13:00:19 sorry Jul 28 13:00:30 In very few cases will that cause damage to the laptop. Jul 28 13:01:00 The power supply will usually overcurrent limit, or the USB port will have current limiting that prevents damage. Jul 28 13:01:03 it's my brothers laptop :D Jul 28 13:01:32 but in the shr-setings it shows that it's charging with more or less 750mA up from 350mA Jul 28 13:01:59 I suppose you're also unwilling to open it up, and post a derived schematic of the USB ports? :) Jul 28 13:02:08 I'll blame Asus if it Fails Jul 28 13:02:09 Otherwise, the best answer is 'probably not' Jul 28 13:02:16 It's an EEEPC? Jul 28 13:02:48 Asus BT 183 Jul 28 13:02:53 came out before the EEE Jul 28 13:04:48 I vaguely remember comments about the design of the eeepc port saying that drawing up to 2A is OK - ads theyu are not individually current limited. Jul 28 13:05:05 I'Anyway - it's unlikely to do damage. Jul 28 13:05:15 And if it does, you can buy him a new one :) Jul 28 13:07:20 SpeedEvil: i think you can short any usb pin to any according to the specs of USB. Jul 28 13:09:35 PaulFertser: yes - however short may not be the worst case. Jul 28 13:10:40 I hesitate to say that all laptops out there properly deal with arbitrary currents below their limiting (power off laptop/current limit port) output - but over 500mA. Jul 28 13:10:50 I'd say it's safe to say that the vast majority do. Jul 28 13:10:59 And that any that don't have broken designs. Jul 28 13:11:21 But that doesn't help if you've just broken your brothers laptop, who is Considerably Larger Than You. :) Jul 28 14:05:47 hi all Jul 28 14:06:19 more people experienceing that opkg upgrade for unstable is resulting a bit in a mess (incorrect icons, phone icons missing, etc) Jul 28 14:06:21 ? Jul 28 14:20:03 Pander: reflash. and in future - read maillist Jul 28 14:22:30 dos1, thanks. I have to catch up with a lot of the mailinglist. assumed (wrong) it was still possible. Jul 28 14:23:01 Pander: it is already fixed, but you had to do "opkg install opkg libopkg0" before upgrade Jul 28 14:24:35 dos1: OK, well I still have the connection open, lets see if it will work. I'll keep you updated Jul 28 14:24:53 opkg install opkg libopkg0 Jul 28 14:24:55 Package opkg (0.1.6+svnr215-r3) installed in root is up to date. Jul 28 14:24:57 Package libopkg0 (0.1.6+svnr215-r3) installed in root is up to date. Jul 28 14:26:29 nope :( Upgrading frameworkd-config-shr-dev -> ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for frameworkd-config-shr-dev: frameworkd-config-shr Jul 28 14:27:28 same as before. strange this is that I have reflashed it yesterday. when was this exactly fixed? because I think reflash -> opkg upgrad one day later still fails is not a good sign Jul 28 14:55:41 hmm, nope, did not work :S reflash will do the trick, bye Jul 28 15:46:39 I don't have wifi button at settings.How I disable it? Jul 28 15:50:12 argiris: which distro are you using? Jul 28 15:50:30 om2008.8 Jul 28 15:51:55 (asu) Jul 28 15:53:29 argiris: erm no idea on ASU not used it in years, I thought it was under Settings though Jul 28 15:55:33 Can I disable it from console? Jul 28 16:13:10 whew, i like litePhone a lot Jul 28 16:51:29 wassup Jul 28 16:51:50 Doc? Jul 28 17:08:22 PaulFertser, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od9QHev8kp4 Jul 28 17:09:24 PaulFertser, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr821OgnvYc Jul 28 17:09:36 Android vs Shr :) Jul 28 17:10:09 android keyboard is better Jul 28 17:17:34 panicking: do you want to draw me to the dark side? ;) Jul 28 17:18:08 No, I prefer you on the other side :) Jul 28 17:18:13 I would like to show Jul 28 17:18:27 that the two version are good Jul 28 17:28:30 Spotify on the Neo? http://despotify.se/ Jul 28 17:29:18 i guess GPRS is to weak, but usable with wifi Jul 28 17:29:21 ? Jul 28 17:52:21 hmm, instant, simple and free. and the only option I get is the 10 EUR/month subscription :/ Jul 28 17:59:19 So my GPS is dead in SHR-U. I saw some discussion about that on the ML, but I haven't seen what looks like a solution yet. Anyone here know a fix? Jul 28 18:00:05 Digital_Pioneer: unfortunately, not. Jul 28 18:00:12 :( Jul 28 18:00:15 Digital_Pioneer: if you have the same problem as dos1 of course. Jul 28 18:00:37 PaulFertser, Digital_Pioneer: GPS worked to me today Jul 28 18:00:43 but i still don't know why ;x Jul 28 18:00:43 GPS has always been my constant! My rock of strength! My ebenezer! It's always worked when GSM and bluetooth came crashing down around me! Jul 28 18:00:45 :P Jul 28 18:00:48 dos1: but that's hardly a solution, right? Jul 28 18:01:09 PaulFertser: well, i was playing with serial port configuration Jul 28 18:01:17 PaulFertser: i gave up and set it as "sane" Jul 28 18:01:27 PaulFertser: then "cat /dev/ttySAC1" worked Jul 28 18:01:32 PaulFertser: but ogpsd still doesn't Jul 28 18:01:44 PaulFertser: but i left it running Jul 28 18:01:45 Euuughh... My dmesg is flooded with "[36816.685000] ar6000_wow interrupt" Jul 28 18:01:58 PaulFertser: after about hour i saw gps fix in logs and i was suprised :P Jul 28 18:02:05 Hundreds of them, it's the entire dmesg output... Jul 28 18:02:08 s/hour/2 hours/ Jul 28 18:02:08 dos1 meant: PaulFertser: after about 2 hours i saw gps fix in logs and i was suprised :P Jul 28 18:02:11 dos1: magic everywhere Jul 28 18:02:32 Blah! My phone just suspended on my SSH connection. Jul 28 18:07:47 I daresay this thing has gotten rather unstable about charging lately... It likes to forget it's plugged in and suspend anymore. Jul 28 18:07:59 I have to restart ophonekitd and frameworkd to fix it. Jul 28 18:33:12 lindi_: whom do you ask to revert the api? And why don't you want for the 2.6.31? Jul 28 18:35:49 hi Jul 28 18:37:44 Hi room Jul 28 18:38:20 guys i need some help here Jul 28 18:41:25 I have managed to start ssh but it asks for password? what do i do? Jul 28 18:41:31 am on jaunty Jul 28 18:43:15 abhiab9: default password is blank. Jul 28 18:48:40 @ paul :aint working Jul 28 18:49:22 really silly but i got to ask; blank as in or Jul 28 18:49:39 shall i type "blank" Jul 28 18:49:56 abhiab9: press enter Jul 28 18:50:07 abhiab9: if it doesn't work it means you're connecting to some other machine, not your FR. Jul 28 18:50:43 it is free runner with "FYP" stack Jul 28 18:52:23 abhiab9: check your rooting, addresses etc. Usual stuff. Jul 28 18:53:23 thanks....will try Jul 28 19:04:39 @paul:the thing is ping is working, I even changed the root password using passwd Jul 28 19:04:41 ; still not working Jul 28 19:06:56 abhiab9: fyi the way you highlight me is not working, i miss the notification Jul 28 19:07:15 abhiab9: i tell you most probably you're connecting to some other *nix machine, not to your FR. Jul 28 19:07:23 hi folks! Jul 28 19:07:23 abhiab9: no wonder you can ping it. Jul 28 19:08:06 I'm running SHR Unstable on my Freerunner. frameworkd uses a continuous 7-15% CPU while the phone is doing nothing at all. Is this normal? Jul 28 19:09:54 afternoon (or whatever) Jul 28 19:13:58 anyone get gpsdrive to play nice with fso-gpsd? Or is gpsdrive just broken at the moment? Jul 28 19:15:32 techiem2-r: you know that fso-gpsd is not a real gpsd, just an emulation? Probably gpsdrive doesn't like some aspect of it. Jul 28 19:17:44 lindi_: hey Jul 28 19:17:47 that was my guess Jul 28 19:18:06 cuz firing up tango on my laptop connected to it on the fr fine Jul 28 19:18:20 gpsdrive says it's connected, but won't get any gps data Jul 28 19:19:29 roadmap won't even talk to it cuz it's not reporting at gpsd 2.21 or higher Jul 28 19:19:33 roadnav* Jul 28 19:19:41 lindi_: can you please explain me why the linux kernel devs are not concerned with including code from microsoft? Not because the code sucks even more than android's but because microsoft just showed the intention to fuck everybody using "patented technology" and accepting code from MS is the fastest way to get "patented technology" mainline and deployed. To give MS more chances to screw fuckers like TomTom. Why are not they concerned, am i missing Jul 28 19:19:47 ... something? Jul 28 19:23:30 PaulFertser: It's worse than that actually.. Jul 28 19:23:42 hm, the post that I was going to show you is down atm Jul 28 19:24:16 but the thesis is that the right answer here is to make Microsoft distribute their own code, because as soon as they start distributing the kernel, they are granting the implied patent license in GPL2 Jul 28 19:25:22 johnsu01: how come? I thought GPL2 doesn't have enough to guarantee that "patents" are not used to attack. Jul 28 19:26:09 PaulFertser: v2, " Finally, any free program is threatened constantly by software patents. We wish to avoid the danger that redistributors of a free program will individually obtain patent licenses, in effect making the program proprietary. To prevent this, we have made it clear that any patent must be licensed for everyone's free use or not licensed at all. " Jul 28 19:26:51 (and see Sec 7) Jul 28 19:27:28 v3 has stronger protections, but v2 has those Jul 28 19:27:54 johnsu01: i can't see how v2's text (not preface) actually helps this. Jul 28 19:29:40 PaulFertser: http://hackervisions.org/?p=439 (lawyer @ SFLC) Jul 28 19:30:37 if you give a license to someone, you are giving that license to everyone to the extent that they need that license to redistribute the code with the GPL's permissions Jul 28 19:32:19 johnsu01: i wonder why Linus can call Alan Cox to be "full of crap" etc but he didn't comment on TomTom vs MS and stupid patent issue at all. Jul 28 19:33:50 LINL Jul 28 19:34:58 SpeedEvil: what does that mean? Jul 28 19:36:27 Linus Is Not a Lawyer. Jul 28 19:37:58 SpeedEvil: so? He has an opinion for sure. He can easily use all that rude words but afraid to say something about unacceptable ms behaviour :( Jul 28 19:38:24 he's been bought off. Jul 28 19:38:35 What's the real reason then? Jul 28 19:40:04 johnsu01: so, your link basically proves that kernel folks _must_ be concerned. And yet i see discussion about typedefs, LPCSTR etc... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 29 02:59:57 2009