**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 31 02:59:57 2009 Jul 31 03:02:38 xelapond: edje_cc, last i did any e17 theme work Jul 31 03:49:46 openmoko: 03rehar * r5347 10/trunk/gta02-core/STATUS: review of PMU sheet Jul 31 03:56:45 openmoko: 03rehar * r5348 10/trunk/gta02-core/audio.sch: changed direction of Label X_I2C_SCL in audio sheet Jul 31 04:59:57 hm.. if you let gta01 shr unstable (09/7) auto-suspend while on charge it fully discharges the battery :( Jul 31 05:00:23 guessing it stops charging or something Jul 31 05:04:05 Is there a tab-like widget in elementary? Jul 31 05:11:30 I just got my neo back from buzz rework, and the display craps out after it comes back from suspend (it displays a white background with greyish vertical stripes). It wasn't doing this before I sent it back. Has anyone had this problem before? Jul 31 05:12:30 I had a strange line issue on suspend Jul 31 05:12:44 but it was dist related Jul 31 05:12:49 same Jul 31 05:13:08 did you/they flash it before sending it back? Jul 31 05:13:15 ^ Jul 31 05:13:38 who knows what they do to it, id just reinstall it Jul 31 05:13:40 I'm not sure. It booted up with the same UI, and it looks like the same build. Jul 31 05:13:58 what does it look like when you suspend? Jul 31 05:14:09 I had to upgrade the bootloader before I sent it off, but I don't think that would cause a suspend problem. Jul 31 05:14:10 single line horizontal across the middle? Jul 31 05:14:22 bootloader is involved in the suspend process Jul 31 05:14:41 what bootloader are you using? Jul 31 05:14:42 ndnihil: no, it's more like a couple vertical grey lines. Jul 31 05:14:53 qi bootloader Jul 31 05:14:55 flash man Jul 31 05:14:56 hrm, that doesnt sound like the same issue I had Jul 31 05:15:09 I'd say flash it Jul 31 05:15:13 and if it still acts up Jul 31 05:15:17 ask them about it Jul 31 05:15:20 ^ Jul 31 05:15:23 neovento Jul 31 05:15:39 ndnihil: yeah, that was my thought too. Jul 31 05:15:53 I cant think of anything hardware-wise that would only affect video on suspend Jul 31 05:16:07 but I'm not intimately familiar with its internals Jul 31 05:16:09 I was all psyched to finally get a working (hardware-wise) phone too. :( Jul 31 05:16:32 seems most likely that its a software issue Jul 31 05:16:32 <-- never had the buzz on his a6 Jul 31 05:16:47 ndnihil: I only had it on certain towers. Jul 31 05:17:08 might order some parts and buzzfix mine Jul 31 05:17:13 just for kicks Jul 31 05:17:40 sounds like fun Jul 31 05:17:55 I'm wondering if it would improve general sound quality Jul 31 05:18:04 maybe mine is buzzing at a very low level Jul 31 05:18:18 sounds like every other decent cell phone to me Jul 31 05:18:37 but hell, if it could be upgraded to "great" Jul 31 05:18:40 I'm all for it Jul 31 05:18:45 if the buzz fix is a filter then applying it do a non buzzing phone might reduce quality Jul 31 05:19:41 I did have some sound issues with one of the older shr-testing dists shortly after I first got the phone Jul 31 05:19:48 but there was a software fix for it Jul 31 05:20:07 from the shr tweaks wiki entry if memory serves Jul 31 05:20:13 only sound issues ive had on my gta01 was echo, and that was fixed ages ago Jul 31 06:09:25 jc: ping Jul 31 06:10:46 Psi: (discharge) interesting Jul 31 06:16:37 Psi: pcf50606 sucks :( Jul 31 06:19:58 Psi: looking at the doc i can't see a sane alteranitive to make userspace know everytime charge is over (that's an interrupt, so it can be seen both while running and as a resume reason) and to schedule an RTC alarm to wake the device 2hrs later to trigger charge again. Jul 31 06:26:26 that would be fine Jul 31 06:27:22 i just disable auto suspend, but sometimes i forget :( Jul 31 06:28:21 Psi: fine and complex to implement... Jul 31 06:28:29 heh yeah Jul 31 06:32:32 so the problem is that charging is over when suspend is entered and so it just runs flat? Jul 31 06:32:46 if it was charging when suspended it would keep charging? Jul 31 06:43:59 Psi: i think it will run flat no matter if it's suspended or not. Jul 31 06:44:08 Psi: the charging is over and nothing triggers it again. Jul 31 06:44:26 Psi: but to be certain i need read the source of the driver and datasheet. Jul 31 06:44:39 Psi: well, you understood me :) Jul 31 06:46:17 it doesnt run flat if the phone is running, i keep mine plugged into usb all the time Jul 31 06:46:58 Psi: need to read the driver to tell why that happens. Jul 31 06:47:02 heh Jul 31 06:47:22 Psi: btw, do you compile the kernel yourself now? Jul 31 06:47:44 not yet, but i do plan to get that all setup so i can Jul 31 06:48:12 Wanted to offer you to try my patches to report capacity in % for gta01_battery driver. Jul 31 06:48:53 Psi: i think i can cook you a binary if you're interested. Jul 31 06:49:05 sure Jul 31 07:06:45 Psi: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/gta01/ Jul 31 07:07:21 Upload speed is ~50 kb/s, modules might take long... Jul 31 07:39:32 openmoko: 03werner * r5349 10/developers/werner/fped/ (TODO gui_canvas.c gui_status.c inst.c obj.c): Jul 31 07:39:32 openmoko: - only highlight active frame, not all other iterations as well Jul 31 07:39:32 openmoko: - inst_select now returns 1 if selection was successful. Previous logic of Jul 31 07:39:32 openmoko: trying to detect changes was broken. Jul 31 07:39:32 openmoko: - when deselecting, redraw the canvas Jul 31 07:39:34 openmoko: - hide parameters if nothing is selected Jul 31 07:39:38 openmoko: - converted status area to table Jul 31 08:00:29 PaulFertser: ok, downloading Jul 31 09:00:53 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5350 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/r_us.lib: Fix resistor pin numbers Jul 31 09:12:13 PaulFertser: hey... GTA01-batget testsuite. :-) Coooool Jul 31 09:14:14 DocScrutinizer: you saw the report by Psi? He complains that the battery discharges too much when his gta01 is suspended. pcf50606 lacks charging auto-restart :-/ Jul 31 09:14:22 pcf50606 <- shit Jul 31 09:14:48 (pcf50606 lacks charging auto-restart :-/) That's confirmed?` Jul 31 09:15:06 I seriously doubt that's true Jul 31 09:15:32 DocScrutinizer: not exactly, i several times reread the relevant datasheet pages. Still could have missed the info. Jul 31 09:15:35 though I never scrutinized pcf50606 last 18 months Jul 31 09:18:25 anyway, your concept with IRQ and RTC is valid. Just augment it to test voltage to be lower than == ~80% charge before restarting charge. In case you REALLY need this nasty hack for 01 Jul 31 09:20:01 anyway *my* bet is the 50606 power kernel driver is braindead as nobody understood the implications of mandatory enabling chrg_auto-resume back when Jul 31 09:20:39 pcf506xx isn't that bad. Our early drivers are worse than the HW Jul 31 09:21:05 lots of myth and misconceptions Jul 31 09:22:53 :D Jul 31 09:27:33 Anyone besides Debian users not using Python 2.6? And how to upgrade my Debian to Python 2.6? :) I'm concerned about using only Python 2.6 features when coding :) Jul 31 09:28:22 s/only Python 2.6/Python 2.6-only/ Jul 31 09:28:22 thrashold meant: Anyone besides Debian users not using Python 2.6? And how to upgrade my Debian to Python 2.6? :) I'm concerned about using Python 2.6-only features when coding :) Jul 31 09:36:46 thrashold: I always thought you just make python version mandatory and don't give a shit anymore. If someone doen't want to install 2.6 (in parallel to any beloved former version) it's his problem, not yours Jul 31 09:37:31 ahh, except python 3.0 which is deprecated I read recently ;-D Jul 31 09:37:53 Well, I don't have Python 2.6, and probably wouldn't be able to have it anytime soon (because I can't compile EFL anymore) Jul 31 09:37:57 recommendation is to use 3.1 instead, if you need cutting edge Jul 31 09:38:20 why don't you have 2.6? o.O Jul 31 09:38:25 But I already shoot myself in the foot by creating a Python 2.6 app, putting it on my phone and realising that it's Python 2.6-only when I needed it Jul 31 09:38:48 s,shoot,shot, Jul 31 09:39:20 Because Debian unstable installed 2.5 by default, and I compiled EFL python bindings against Python 2.5 Jul 31 09:39:28 Python 3.1 is unusable as much as 3.0 :) Jul 31 09:39:34 thrashold: you should ask this in #*-devel Jul 31 09:39:47 (3.1) sure :-) Jul 31 09:41:09 Am i the only one who doesn't understand LKML web-interface? I can't find a reliable way to read all the message related to the thread. Jul 31 09:41:34 I got confused by it yesterday Jul 31 09:42:36 damn, LKML. I refuse to read more than 30 posts / day ;-> Jul 31 10:12:37 flashing a .ubifs image is the same like a .jffs2, right? Jul 31 10:13:30 vinicius: if you mean flashing with dfu-util then everything you want to flash should have a DFU footer. Jul 31 10:17:12 PaulFertser: how do I check for that? Jul 31 10:21:08 should I grep for 0xff,0xff,0xff,0xff,0xac,0x05,0x00,0x01,0x55,0x46,0x44,0x10 ? =P Jul 31 10:24:23 vinicius: no idea, i think if you know your build system you know the answer. Jul 31 10:25:00 actually downloaded shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090721-om-gta02.ubifs.img Jul 31 10:26:50 well burning finished, and i'm seeing a lot of empty flash messages scrolling, I guess it's not supposed to be flashed. Jul 31 10:26:58 *flashing Jul 31 10:38:42 vinicius: if dfu-util accepts it it means it's dfu-tranferable. Jul 31 10:38:58 vinicius: but you obviously need kernel support for ubifs. Jul 31 10:39:27 vinicius: and probably some trick to switch from jffs2, i'm not sure. Jul 31 10:43:18 Upgrading debian to python2.6 looks like an almost impossible task :/ Jul 31 10:45:03 thrashold: harder then cross-compiling emacs? Jul 31 10:45:35 If cross-compiling emacs is possible, probably yes Jul 31 10:45:49 thrashold: how can it be impossible? Jul 31 10:46:02 There seems to be no way to do it :) Jul 31 10:46:30 Whatever you do, python is still symlink to python2.5 Jul 31 10:47:10 how do I send messages through console in SHR? Jul 31 10:47:35 talk? :P Jul 31 10:47:42 so that I can send message by SSHing into the phone Jul 31 10:48:00 message means SMS Jul 31 10:48:13 rss, read the wiki on manually using SMS, or read about the framework API and use the dbus interface :) Jul 31 10:48:21 ok Jul 31 10:48:35 I tried exporting display Jul 31 10:48:57 and thought if there are any gui apps, that can be run on X on the desktop Jul 31 10:49:06 I can copy and paste and send Jul 31 10:50:36 shr-messages ? :) Jul 31 10:52:02 oh cool Jul 31 10:53:05 rss: you can use mdbus Jul 31 10:53:15 rss: to call ogsmd Jul 31 10:54:42 Hm, has somebody ported Ubuntu to the FR? :D They have Python 2.6 as default there :D Jul 31 10:55:12 Why would you port an operating system even more bloated than Debian? :P Jul 31 10:59:20 OK, I gave up :) Jul 31 10:59:47 thrashold: openwrt has python 2.6 as default also Jul 31 11:00:09 Everyone is ahead of Debian :) Jul 31 11:00:13 rss: i sent smses emacs23 ;) Jul 31 11:04:48 PaulFertser: emacs is ahead of every damn OS :P Jul 31 11:05:27 * jjwc fears starting a vim-emacs war Jul 31 11:13:54 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device Jul 31 11:13:54 org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.SendMessage 'u"thenumber"' 'u"the message"' Jul 31 11:13:54 '{}' Jul 31 11:13:56 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device Jul 31 11:13:56 org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.SendMessage 'u"thenumber"' 'u"the message"' Jul 31 11:13:58 '{}' Jul 31 11:14:19 that is deprecated Jul 31 11:17:20 it worked Jul 31 11:29:24 jc: hi :) Is openmoko-kernel ML safe to CC when i e.g. write an email to some upstream folks? Jul 31 12:23:00 hi Jul 31 12:40:12 PaulFertser: why not? Jul 31 12:40:43 PaulFertser: (if you can cope with the "reply-to:" ;-D ) Jul 31 12:41:21 DocScrutinizer: the problem with openmoko-kernel is that it used to not allow mails from unsubscribed. Jul 31 12:41:38 that's still true I guess Jul 31 12:41:44 DocScrutinizer: that still sucks :( Jul 31 12:41:55 to be precise those are held for confirmation Jul 31 12:42:10 which might never happen Jul 31 12:42:41 DocScrutinizer: and some stupid "moderation approval" sent back. Jul 31 12:42:50 yup Jul 31 12:43:20 well, maybe crossposting isn't the way to do ;) Jul 31 12:44:08 ive spent a week trying to boot my phone :( Jul 31 12:44:11 no matter how hard you try, you never get a synced 2 parallel threads Jul 31 12:44:32 bug1: duh????????? what's wrong? Jul 31 12:44:58 PaulFertser: it seems to work Jul 31 12:45:06 can anyone recommend a way to buy a replacment battery that doesnt have big shipping costs ? Jul 31 12:45:36 bug1: go to a nokia store, get a BL-5C Jul 31 12:45:47 bug1: yes Jul 31 12:45:53 ive not had the time to fully discharge but the battery level pic does seem to fall after i unpluged it for a while Jul 31 12:45:57 bug1: and very soon it will be (almost) fully supported on FR. Jul 31 12:46:00 bug1: lacks smart Coloumb-Counter, but generally works Jul 31 12:46:19 DocScrutinizer: i barely know where to start.... its a power problem, battery is only 3.0 volts, left it overnight and it only got to 3.05 Jul 31 12:46:35 hmm, Jul 31 12:46:50 bug1: try to fully turn off FR, take out the battery for 10 seconds. Jul 31 12:46:56 i have booted from usb cable and no battery before, but cant do it now Jul 31 12:47:16 * Psi -> sleep Jul 31 12:47:22 have read the wiki and tried to boot it about 100 times by now... Jul 31 12:47:22 Psi: good night Jul 31 12:47:32 bug1: did you hook up FR to wallcharger, boot to uBoot menu (hold AUX button), then from boot menu select "power down" ? Jul 31 12:47:38 bug1: some hosts allow booting without battery, some not. Jul 31 12:48:01 bug1: the best bet is to boot to NOR with wallcharger. Jul 31 12:48:16 wasn't that what I told ;-) Jul 31 12:48:28 i did manage to get it to boot using usb power and battery when it i got it to about 3.1, i got the uboot menu and sleected power off because a wiki entry sugggest it might help charge the bat faster Jul 31 12:48:30 DocScrutinizer: i just wanted to confirm Jul 31 12:48:59 Hm, 3.1 should be ok to boot, it's nowhere near deep discharge. Jul 31 12:49:21 i cant boot from wall, have 2 different usb chargers (1 official one), i have 0 volts on the battery terminal Jul 31 12:49:28 bug1: so let device charge in this state for 2 hours (after you selected "power down") and bat should be charged Jul 31 12:49:51 sometimes when i power it up it has 1v on battery terminals which discharges the battery Jul 31 12:49:56 bug1: do you have a5 or a6? Jul 31 12:50:15 umm... a6 i think Jul 31 12:50:23 bug1: try to boot without any battery from NOR and wall charger. Jul 31 12:50:29 bug1: can you boot to NOR Jul 31 12:50:31 ? Jul 31 12:50:35 no Jul 31 12:50:39 why? Jul 31 12:50:52 what's wrong? Jul 31 12:51:23 the wall charger and dboard give me no response, and i have 0v on the battery terminals Jul 31 12:51:26 bug1: hook up to OM-wallcharger, hold AUX, press power, release AUX Jul 31 12:51:46 bug1: don't use debug board for now! Jul 31 12:52:31 bug1: hook up to OM-wallcharger, hold AUX, press power, release AUX. You should get to "u-Boot menu (NOR)" Jul 31 12:52:37 Docscrutinizer: just tried that, nothing Jul 31 12:52:49 bug1: hold power longer Jul 31 12:53:04 PaulFertser: (not for NOR) Jul 31 12:53:27 last thing i did wit hit is flash the new 2009 image (i forget its name) and i installed the qi bootloader... i wonder if that has anything to do with it Jul 31 12:53:39 PaulFertser: (usually, dunno which wacky NOR uBoot he has) Jul 31 12:53:41 DocScrutinizer: no, really, <1sec of holding power is not enough Jul 31 12:53:50 DocScrutinizer: for my device which has stock u-boot. Jul 31 12:53:52 bug Jul 31 12:54:01 bug1: possible Jul 31 12:54:58 just held it down for 20 sec or so, still no response Jul 31 12:55:06 bug1: insert battery, hook up to OM-wallcharger, press & hold AUX, press power for >4sec, release AUX. You should get to "u-Boot menu (NOR)" Jul 31 12:55:10 bug1: no, 1-2 should be enough Jul 31 12:55:21 DocScrutinizer: exactly Jul 31 12:55:55 but i suspect my wallcharger is broken actually... i have had more luck from usb on my laptop Jul 31 12:56:06 bug1: no response at all? no flashing AUX LED, no scratching sound from device, no flashing screen? Jul 31 12:56:37 somtimes i just get the aux button flashign red 5 or 6 times, is thast some special message, or just indicates low bat ? Jul 31 12:56:37 bug1: seems your wallcharger is borked, or mains outlet is 0V AC Jul 31 12:57:05 bug1: indicates low bat with NAND uBoot Jul 31 12:57:35 i tried subscribing to the support channel, when i posted this issue i got a response saying i wasnt authorised to post :( Jul 31 12:57:36 bug1: fix walcharger Jul 31 12:58:12 bug1: (support) starnge. maybe you didn't confirm or sth? Jul 31 12:58:18 i have a usb wallcharge for a mot phone, it gives me the same problem Jul 31 12:58:23 motorola Jul 31 12:58:50 bug1: motorola wallcharger is diferent. Has no magic resistor which FR needs to detect charger Jul 31 12:59:06 so... fix OM-wallcharger Jul 31 12:59:20 you'll need it anyway every now and then Jul 31 12:59:27 actually, i know the chargers arent totally sutffed as the led's light up on the dboard when i use them as a power source Jul 31 12:59:51 k Jul 31 13:00:42 bug1: I'm concerned you messed NOR uBoot with debug board Jul 31 13:01:27 i havent used my dboard for anything other than power Jul 31 13:01:34 bug1: alas it's hard to learn how to boot FR if you didn't manage to handle debug board correctly and NOR is borked Jul 31 13:02:01 bug1: aah, ok then. No chance you messed NIOR then prolly Jul 31 13:02:24 i did pull the phone appart a while ago and broke the usb socket off, but had it fixed by someone who does smt soldering, and had no problems untill recently Jul 31 13:02:37 bug1: make sure your aux button does a sensible click when pressing Jul 31 13:02:55 hmmmmm Jul 31 13:02:59 ouch Jul 31 13:03:20 so this opens a plethora of error-modes Jul 31 13:03:21 i guess i will just try and recharge the bat again as much as i can and retry it Jul 31 13:03:54 bug1: you got an old Nokia charger? with barrel connector Jul 31 13:04:01 no Jul 31 13:04:05 :-/ Jul 31 13:05:15 bug1: go to a cellphone store and get yourself a second source nokia-bat (BL-5C) charger Jul 31 13:05:36 k Jul 31 13:05:56 ask to test the charge in store with your GTA02-bat Jul 31 13:06:07 DocScrutinizer: what about using two AA batteries to boot FR and then to hotswap? Jul 31 13:06:28 might work, but honestly §V is too low probably Jul 31 13:06:32 3V Jul 31 13:06:36 DocScrutinizer: 3 batteries then Jul 31 13:06:48 i can get the batteyr i have to 3 volts Jul 31 13:06:55 3 cells NiCad would be better Jul 31 13:07:28 well, maybe i should just buy a bl-5c battery instead of a charger ? Jul 31 13:07:45 how to charge this bat then? ;) Jul 31 13:08:22 assuming it doesn't necesarily come with 100% capacity Jul 31 13:08:30 if it does boot with it then wouldnt the om charge it ? Jul 31 13:08:52 IFFF it boots then yes Jul 31 13:10:07 bug1: I suspect you got a broken pin on your USB receptacle Jul 31 13:10:17 bug1: probably ID-pin Jul 31 13:10:27 hmm Jul 31 13:10:35 bug1: the one needed to detect magic Resistor Jul 31 13:10:43 thats the middle one ? Jul 31 13:10:49 hum Jul 31 13:10:59 i have a multimeter i migth be able to test it Jul 31 13:11:03 I think it's one of the outer pins Jul 31 13:11:23 please check with schematics, I have to run now Jul 31 13:11:30 bug1: not in the middle, let me show you Jul 31 13:11:54 bug1: http://pinouts.ru/connectors/mini-usb_male.gif Jul 31 13:12:01 bug1: the one marked "X" Jul 31 13:12:20 i have 26kohms between the two pins closest to the middle of the phone Jul 31 13:12:39 bug1: the resistor is in the charger, not in the phone Jul 31 13:12:40 * DocScrutinizer leaving bridge, PaulFertser please take over Jul 31 13:12:44 DocScrutinizer: :D Jul 31 13:12:48 I'll manage it ;) Jul 31 13:12:53 oh Jul 31 13:13:34 a bit hard to get to that to test it Jul 31 13:15:36 bug1: disasseble FR, plug n Wallcharger (unpowered!), use slderpoints of USB-receptacle to probe resistance from ID to GND. Inspect solder points of USB-recepacle *carefully* Jul 31 13:16:33 bug1: TAKE CARE you never use a cheap meter with a prbe vltage >1.5V! Jul 31 13:17:24 DocScrutinizer: imho it'd be easier to somehow boot first. And then he'll just know from software if ID detection works or not. Jul 31 13:18:07 yup, but seems hard to boot. Anyway, a valid aproach as well (not *my* approach, U know EE speaking ;) ) Jul 31 13:18:26 * DocScrutinizer away Jul 31 13:18:50 reclaim money for borked uSD Jul 31 13:21:06 i managed to read 26kohms on the wall charger between the x and each adjacent one, got to using the dboard connector Jul 31 13:21:26 47k Jul 31 13:21:36 hmm Jul 31 13:23:19 well, i might leave it at that and get a new 5c charger (a maybe battery as well) so at least i can have a proper battery charge Jul 31 13:24:36 thanks for the advice, im going to go and try and find a distraction from it now.... Jul 31 13:25:26 i will check in tommorow and let you know how i went Jul 31 13:25:37 bug1: http://om.quatrox.org/om/ Jul 31 13:26:17 bug1: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode_.28aka_Y-Cable.29 Jul 31 13:26:33 bug1: nokia phones don't charge gta02 battery btw Jul 31 13:36:32 night Jul 31 13:36:38 grrr...put SHR on FR, but can't get usb0 to show up on laptop (even though it did before) Jul 31 13:37:34 running Ubuntu 9.04, with recent kernel update from Ubuntu. ifconfig doesnt even show usb0 Jul 31 13:37:34 Infoport: isn't it now eth2 on the laptop end Jul 31 13:37:58 (assuming you don't already have an eth2) Jul 31 13:38:18 how would that have changed? I don't show eth2 either though Jul 31 13:38:33 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#So_is_it_.22usb0.22_or_is_it_.22eth1.22.3F Jul 31 13:40:40 hmm! I re-read that earlier, but missed the last line saying Android and SHR act differently now Jul 31 13:43:28 maybe another power cycle (and closer attention to MAC addresses in Network Tools)... Jul 31 13:46:31 tig -- Eureka! ifconfig -a shows eth1, with the MAC address from the FR. Now I just need to un the commands setting up forwarding, etc Jul 31 13:47:40 I had gotten out my notepad with MAC addresses, computer partitions, etc, but it had a diff MAC address for the usb connection (I guess a randomly generated one) Jul 31 13:55:49 tig: thank you!! I couldn't figure out why SHR wasn't even SEEN (FSO 2009, OpenWRT different) Jul 31 13:57:47 No problem :) Jul 31 13:59:06 Infoport: wasn't idea to look at your host's dmesg obvious? Jul 31 14:01:14 probably. I saw eth1 in Network Tools earlier, but MAC address didn't match notepad. Also, usb0 had worked for me so many times, and I didn't realize that the phone-OS could change how that was seen Jul 31 14:04:14 the OpenWRT distro was driving me nuts-- every time I brought out the phone, it had some long string in the dialer, waiting to call in my pocket (no screen LOCK) Jul 31 14:05:07 I still want to play with OpenWRT, but I needed another distro on here (other than old one's, broken) Jul 31 14:07:44 I discounted the eth1 that was in Network Tools, along with "pan0" (still not sure what that is for) Jul 31 14:08:15 and my host tends to not get usb0 after plug/unplug, unless you reboot host Jul 31 14:16:37 now I just wish SHR was on NVRAM and OpenWRT on SD card, work for later Jul 31 14:17:52 hmm, opkg doesn't complain of unsigned files now Jul 31 14:18:19 Infoport: yeah they swapped it not long ago for one that does not check the GPG keys Jul 31 14:20:26 tig\ lol, guess that is ONE way to stop the error msgs Jul 31 14:21:48 http://www.theonion.com/content/news/apple_claims_new_iphone_only Jul 31 14:21:50 genius Jul 31 14:23:06 SpeedEvil: LOL Jul 31 14:23:47 * SpeedEvil starts an ebay listing for GTA04. Jul 31 14:25:15 oooh, I hope the GTA04 is as pretty as the iPhone 3Gi Jul 31 14:26:21 SpeedEvil: what do usually smart people say when they see a link like that? "LOL" seems to be too vurglar. Jul 31 14:26:23 It has an FPGA - _And_ a V12 that runs on tears. Jul 31 14:26:50 maybe that could be a new flashmob gathering (og new iPhone 3Gi users) Jul 31 14:27:17 embrace the TLA! Jul 31 14:28:01 Rosebud... Jul 31 14:34:31 hehe, got the last one :-)) http://www.kkcomputer.de/Default.aspx?tabid=34&txtSearch=17278&List=0&SortField=0&ProductID=11667&Pics=1 Jul 31 14:34:32 theOnion should have had coverage of Microsoft contributing code to the Linux kernel Jul 31 14:35:47 12V & 110/220V IN! USB-5V out & 12V..25V out Jul 31 14:35:57 smart little device :-> Jul 31 14:36:27 what does the LCD of that power device display? Jul 31 14:36:50 12, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 22, 24 Jul 31 14:36:57 or sth like that Jul 31 14:37:38 set output voltage with pushbutton, no longer than 30sec after plug in to mains (locks after 30sec - cute) Jul 31 14:38:59 non-volatile as well (aka sticky setting - makes sense) Jul 31 14:39:32 probably I couldn't have designed it better Jul 31 14:42:00 Well, I'd include the agic 47k to ID pin of USB->miniUSB5 adapter accessory ;-) Jul 31 14:43:09 I have one of those with a non-volatile voltage storage, and safety interlock. Jul 31 14:43:12 DocScrutinizer: what about current limiting? Jul 31 14:43:19 Well - OK - it's duct tape on the switch. Jul 31 14:43:38 says "short protect, 3A75 max Jul 31 14:43:54 SpeedEvil: lol Jul 31 14:44:11 DocScrutinizer: to me current limiting is an essential functionality for a lab PSU. Jul 31 14:44:30 PaulFertser: that's no lab PSU Jul 31 14:44:31 * PaulFertser away, sorry Jul 31 14:44:31 I use an iGo charger when traveling (and inside once I'm there) and found that one mini-USB tip charged at 100mA (unless forced) but a diff mini-USB tip always goes to 1000mA Jul 31 14:44:38 it's a tracvel adapter Jul 31 14:45:43 now if only there were a way to charge my FIC batteries OUTSIDE the phone Jul 31 14:45:48 anyway going to torture my Nokia 16GB uSD now ;-D Jul 31 14:46:19 Infoport: use 2nd source Nokia charger Jul 31 14:47:23 DocScrutinizer: do you have a name of one that works? Jul 31 14:49:24 Infoport: sorry nope Jul 31 14:49:57 every non-Nokia-brand charger that claims to charge BL-5C should work Jul 31 14:52:09 for charging FIC in a Nokia phone you could place a single-sided contact foil over the middle contact and connect the conductive surface to GND via ~10K Jul 31 14:52:43 err, mompl. need to check if that's been 10k or 80k for BL-5C Jul 31 14:53:46 FSCK!!! sorry my meter batteries run flat :-( Jul 31 14:57:14 don't have a Nokia phone, so I guess I'll just source a charger (and a power cord apparently! that's how they get it so cheap) Jul 31 15:02:05 hmm, some at DealExtreme, same place I bought my GPS antenna (hard to find with right plug) Jul 31 15:07:09 DocScrutinizer: remove meter battery, leave out for 5 minutes, replace, then plug into a motherboard USB port. :) Jul 31 15:07:33 *sigh* the DealExtreme charger seems nice, until you read a review that says it gets hot enough it might catch fire Jul 31 15:08:48 the nokia 16GB SD yields a vfat write bandwidth of 3.8MB/s (on dd bs=100M) Jul 31 15:08:57 on laptop Jul 31 15:09:09 :-/ Jul 31 15:09:33 * SpeedEvil has a 4G that does 12. Jul 31 15:09:51 on vfat? Jul 31 15:09:57 on dd Jul 31 15:10:01 err Jul 31 15:10:04 write Jul 31 15:10:11 I'm sceptic as dd maxes out my 2 cores with IO Jul 31 15:10:12 I'm not sure about write on reflection Jul 31 15:10:47 dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/disk-2/xxx bs=100M count=120 Jul 31 15:12:47 22+0 records in Jul 31 15:12:49 22+0 records out Jul 31 15:12:50 2306867200 bytes (2.3 GB) copied, 662.985 s, 3.5 MB/s Jul 31 15:14:19 well maybe that's all I may expect via USB-stick. At least no IO-errors yet Jul 31 15:14:58 yay... HOT Jul 31 15:15:07 ;-P Jul 31 15:15:58 * DocScrutinizer wonders if those uSD have some sort of thermal throttling Jul 31 15:16:36 ...or whether it lets escape magic smoke soonish Jul 31 15:18:30 2936012800 bytes (2.9 GB) copied, 1001.01 s, 2.9 MB/s Jul 31 15:18:31 What's read? Jul 31 15:18:48 still busy writing ;) Jul 31 15:19:16 might consider to abort prematurely Jul 31 15:21:09 still sceptic: load average: 10.57, 9.63, 6.81 Jul 31 15:21:53 Odd. Jul 31 15:22:16 yupp. USB prot overhead? Jul 31 15:22:19 Though I was surprised last night to get 90% load on dd reading my USB hard drive at 30M/s Jul 31 15:24:09 3565158400 bytes (3.6 GB) copied, 1350.59 s, 2.6 MB/s Jul 31 15:24:20 :-/ ???? Jul 31 15:24:32 Maybe try watercooling it. Jul 31 15:24:56 maybe actually thermal throttling Jul 31 15:25:22 heh :-) Jul 31 15:25:42 got better means Jul 31 15:26:02 I wonder if it's the flash taking longer to program at elevate temperature Jul 31 15:26:28 we'll get to know ;) Jul 31 15:26:45 "cools down to -52°C" Jul 31 15:27:50 I note that one group I'm involved peripheraly with has been doing that. Jul 31 15:28:24 Flying commodity POS cameras up to 30Km on latex balloons. Jul 31 15:28:28 -52C outside. Jul 31 15:28:59 http://www.ukhas.org.uk/ Jul 31 15:29:15 37+0 records out Jul 31 15:29:17 3879731200 bytes (3.9 GB) copied, 1583.11 s, 2.5 MB/s Jul 31 15:29:24 38+0 records out Jul 31 15:29:25 3984588800 bytes (4.0 GB) copied, 1658.33 s, 2.4 MB/s Jul 31 15:29:29 :-(( Jul 31 15:29:41