**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 01 02:59:58 2009 Aug 01 03:11:35 Guys I installed android (beta 7) and messed up the original bootloader. I want to go back to my previous OS, but I need to restore the bootloader (which android erased) , how can I do that? any help appreciated Aug 01 03:12:15 daniel32708: Assuming you have a Freerunner, check the Flashing your Freerunner page on teh wiki Aug 01 03:12:29 There should be a section about flashing uboot Aug 01 03:12:30 yeah i have a frerunner Aug 01 03:12:38 thx i will check Aug 01 03:16:01 the flashing the frerunner wiki only talks about reflashing the bootloader in order to update it, but it needs to be inside the bootloader first... i cant do that cause i dont even have it Aug 01 03:16:21 daniel32708: there are two bootloaders Aug 01 03:16:32 uboot i think is the original one Aug 01 03:16:33 The "safety" is the one in the NOR backup Aug 01 03:16:36 the one it came with Aug 01 03:16:59 If you press and hold AUX and then press power, you will get into the backup bootloader. Aug 01 03:17:14 Now, you can connect your USB cable and flash the normal bootloader to your phone. Aug 01 03:21:16 that is if i could get into the aux+power meny Aug 01 03:21:17 menu Aug 01 03:21:20 i cant Aug 01 03:21:25 cause android deleted it Aug 01 03:23:13 (pasting 4 lines) Aug 01 03:23:17 Boot your Neo FreeRunner into the NOR uBoot menu for flashing. Aug 01 03:23:19  Aug 01 03:23:21 1. Press and hold AUX button Aug 01 03:23:23 2. Press the Power button until the boot menu comes up Aug 01 03:23:25 3. This menu is labelled *** BOOT MENU (NOR) *** Aug 01 03:23:59 If that's not coming up then your NOR flash chip is bad... That has been reported in a very small number of freerunners from what I can tell. Aug 01 03:56:25 hi all, i was on about 14 hours ago, tryign to resolve a power problem with my phone, i worked it out... Aug 01 03:57:12 i have 2 usb cables that ocnnect from my pc to my phone, it only works with 1 of them Aug 01 03:57:46 i didnt know there were different types of usb ->openmoko cables, i thought they were all straight connections Aug 01 03:58:32 bug1: some cables don't have the right gauge to work Aug 01 03:58:45 too me a week trying to work it out... Aug 01 03:59:00 you need to stick with standard cables\ Aug 01 03:59:04 hmm, you mean they cant handle the current ? Aug 01 03:59:10 nothing like those that come with the crappy usb car charger kit Aug 01 03:59:40 the one that didnt work looks like the one that does work, onyl difference is its shorter, no special markings or anything Aug 01 04:00:50 hmm Aug 01 04:00:52 that's odd Aug 01 04:00:57 maybe there is a break inside? Aug 01 04:01:16 plug it into your machine and run dmesg Aug 01 04:01:26 (you're on linux, right?) Aug 01 04:01:43 maybe, i also wondered if they had added some resistance to make it do something with the id or fast charging or whatever they do Aug 01 04:01:55 yes, linux, one sec Aug 01 04:02:12 you should at least see something Aug 01 04:02:22 specifically it should take about the device not being a modem Aug 01 04:02:56 *talk Aug 01 04:03:06 if not then the cable itself might not be any good Aug 01 04:03:11 you mean when i use the broken cable ? Aug 01 04:03:21 yes Aug 01 04:03:58 i lied Aug 01 04:04:04 it should talk about cdc_ether Aug 01 04:04:56 now i cant find the bad one, give me a few mins Aug 01 04:05:32 rooly: are you using your phone daily? Aug 01 04:05:42 i am Aug 01 04:05:44 but i'm crazy Aug 01 04:05:47 :D Aug 01 04:05:48 shr-unstable Aug 01 04:05:57 it's so damn close Aug 01 04:06:09 i can't stand the separate phone modules tho Aug 01 04:06:32 hmm, cant ssh to it with the bad cable Aug 01 04:06:37 i'm about to start writing my own phonegui using the framebuffer Aug 01 04:06:39 bad cable Aug 01 04:06:47 why fb? Aug 01 04:07:06 cause it'll be faster with less memory usage than trying to use x and some toolkit Aug 01 04:07:12 maybe in gtk with fb Aug 01 04:07:39 i remember you had started working with 3d a while back...what ever happened with that? Aug 01 04:07:44 well Aug 01 04:07:55 it shows that its charging via the bad cable, but cant connect or ping Aug 01 04:08:01 it was a preferred rendering engine of mine Aug 01 04:08:07 with a software renderer Aug 01 04:08:25 the fastest i got it was about 16fps running at 240x320 Aug 01 04:08:37 using a rabid culling software rasterizer Aug 01 04:08:41 you've read raster's comments? Aug 01 04:08:52 where? Aug 01 04:09:04 he's made a few on the mailing list Aug 01 04:09:11 about what Aug 01 04:09:19 * rooly should subscribe to it Aug 01 04:09:25 about the limitations of the glamo Aug 01 04:09:29 oh yeah Aug 01 04:09:31 glamo is a pos Aug 01 04:09:40 i'm not interested in glamo Aug 01 04:09:50 specifically where the bottleneck is Aug 01 04:13:07 is glamo good enough to play movies ? Aug 01 04:13:17 0721 shr-unstable? Aug 01 04:13:19 The fundamental limit is that the link to the GPU is about a 7 megabyte/second bus. Aug 01 04:13:24 Slaxxer: yeah Aug 01 04:13:28 And at 3.5M - you're using 50% CPU Aug 01 04:13:43 As it contends with the CPU Aug 01 04:13:43 i got the replacement screen Aug 01 04:13:55 Slaxxer: is it just me, or did the 0721 shr-unstable break the neo theme Aug 01 04:14:15 well i have been out for a month Aug 01 04:14:38 neo-theme? Aug 01 04:15:35 yeah Aug 01 04:15:38 green & black Aug 01 04:15:40 it's sexy Aug 01 04:15:43 all matrixy Aug 01 04:15:48 runs UBER fast Aug 01 04:15:53 not seen it i guess Aug 01 04:16:06 its in the community updates section Aug 01 04:16:12 pervious jffs2 file? Aug 01 04:16:28 ? Aug 01 04:17:22 link me Aug 01 04:19:16 i dont see it Aug 01 04:20:01 im blind Aug 01 04:20:27 but i did get a working freerunner for 80 bucks Aug 01 04:21:54 http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.5/ Aug 01 04:22:01 is that it? Aug 01 04:22:13 ? for neo-theme? Aug 01 04:22:16 no Aug 01 04:22:20 hold on, sorry Aug 01 04:22:23 i was looking elsewhere Aug 01 04:22:50 http://www.opkg.org/package_249.html Aug 01 04:24:10 did u reinstall? Aug 01 04:24:15 the theme? Aug 01 04:24:45 nah, not yet Aug 01 04:24:47 i'm about to try Aug 01 04:24:54 they just updated it with a gtk theme Aug 01 04:24:58 which is sexy awesome Aug 01 04:26:41 I tried that theme Aug 01 04:26:49 the whole neo set of themes Aug 01 04:26:53 never got them to work Aug 01 04:27:18 i got them to work on the shr-unstable 0717 Aug 01 04:27:39 I'm on 0703 Aug 01 04:28:05 newer than 09 i believe it takes Aug 01 04:28:41 **REQUIRES SHR UNSTABLE newer than june 15th*** Aug 01 04:28:53 but i haven't managed to get it working on 0719 Aug 01 04:28:56 or 0721 Aug 01 04:29:02 I'm later than 0615 Aug 01 04:52:50 Stuart Winter needs a freerunner Aug 01 05:03:16 does the default handset.state file in shr-unstable work for most ppl? Aug 01 05:03:27 or are folks changing it? Aug 01 05:04:41 works for me Aug 01 05:04:44 and it's loud enough Aug 01 05:05:12 mine is really quiet Aug 01 05:05:20 everything else is good... Aug 01 05:05:26 other party hears me really clearly Aug 01 05:05:43 speaker works well for me, but other party hears echo Aug 01 05:12:49 does anyone else have an empty /usr/share/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/messages.edj ? Aug 01 05:28:41 my problem is that I currently have the Qi bootloader (after installing android). I want to go back to the original Uboot bootloader. Qi doesnt even have a menu (the power+aux menu that comes up when you turn on the cell).... anyways, do any of you know how to flash Uboot back? Aug 01 05:28:57 daniel32708: Aug 01 05:28:58 yeah Aug 01 05:29:07 hold down aux and then press your power button Aug 01 05:29:50 and then? Aug 01 05:30:00 and then uboot should come up Aug 01 05:30:12 unless you have a neo 973 Aug 01 05:30:15 *1973 Aug 01 05:30:22 then you're screwed without a debug board Aug 01 05:30:40 no dude Aug 01 05:30:45 i have the neofrerunner Aug 01 05:30:50 okay Aug 01 05:30:54 the problem is that uboot is gone Aug 01 05:30:59 now i have Qi Aug 01 05:31:03 you have 2 bootloaders in your phone Aug 01 05:31:06 nor and nand Aug 01 05:31:25 (i don't remember which is which but) one of the bootloaders is only accessible to a debug board Aug 01 05:31:37 that is the one that comes up when you hold down aux and then press power Aug 01 05:31:49 ok Aug 01 05:31:52 thanks man Aug 01 05:31:53 then u see a menu Aug 01 05:31:56 yes Aug 01 05:31:57 i managed to get the boot menu now Aug 01 05:32:05 thanx! Aug 01 05:32:11 flash u-boot Aug 01 05:32:19 how? Aug 01 05:32:35 did u flash qi on there? Aug 01 05:32:42 sudo dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a u-boot -R -D /path/to/uboot.bin Aug 01 05:32:48 it automatically did when i installed android Aug 01 05:33:05 really? Aug 01 05:33:17 yep Aug 01 05:33:22 android is currently doing that Aug 01 05:33:22 automagic Aug 01 05:33:22 Slaxxer: that's been a feature for android for a little while now Aug 01 05:33:25 Isnt' that just vile? Aug 01 05:33:30 there is even a warning saying that on their wiki Aug 01 05:33:32 what a horrible feature. Aug 01 05:33:39 i hate it... Aug 01 05:33:49 well Aug 01 05:33:56 Especially since Android provides no instructions, much less a tool, to put the original bootloader back. Aug 01 05:34:05 Foul, evil, vile... Aug 01 05:34:05 mwester: the idea is for people who don't know how to use this device to be able to ...use the device... Aug 01 05:34:16 rooly, that's a terrible justification. Aug 01 05:34:27 WARNING: This install process overwrites *everything* on the NAND in the phone, including the bootloader. If this is not what you would like to do, please use the manual installation instructions (next section) instead. Aug 01 05:34:33 If they really belive that, then they would also provide a tool to put uboot back. Aug 01 05:34:33 mwester: the iphone is a smartphone for people who don't know how to use a smartphone Aug 01 05:34:43 loolol Aug 01 05:35:01 rooly, the iphone has nothing whatever to do with this. Aug 01 05:35:05 right Aug 01 05:35:09 but the justification is the same Aug 01 05:35:11 lol Aug 01 05:35:17 No Aug 01 05:35:23 do something for people who can't Aug 01 05:36:04 The iphone was always closed, and an iphone. The FR was not -- it originally could run a standard uboot or qi, it is android that replaces that with a custom bootloader, with no docs to return it to original state. Aug 01 05:36:40 * rooly thinks his message was misinterpreted Aug 01 05:36:45 Android's installer does stuff to an open phone that makes it very difficult to recover it -- that's why daniel32708 is here. I rest my case. Aug 01 05:36:54 Anyway, not going to argue. Aug 01 05:36:58 later! Aug 01 05:37:00 byez Aug 01 05:37:23 btw, does anyone else not find android suitable as an 'everyday' phone like the koolu people claim? Aug 01 05:37:25 bye Aug 01 05:37:34 no way Aug 01 05:37:36 android sux Aug 01 05:37:40 good Aug 01 05:37:46 didn't think i was alone here Aug 01 05:37:49 no suspend Aug 01 05:37:51 no volume Aug 01 05:37:51 wifi and bluetooth are far far far from stable Aug 01 05:37:53 no wifi Aug 01 05:37:55 no bluetooth Aug 01 05:37:57 no sms Aug 01 05:38:02 no sms Aug 01 05:38:04 no speaker Aug 01 05:38:12 barely able to connect Aug 01 05:38:26 and it doesnt even register you on the network, you gotta do it manually and many times cause it keeps giving errors Aug 01 05:39:05 its practactically trash Aug 01 05:40:44 its trash Aug 01 05:40:45 lol Aug 01 05:40:49 how is FDOM? Aug 01 05:41:20 iunno Aug 01 05:41:26 haven't heard anything about it in months Aug 01 05:41:32 last i used it, it was trash too Aug 01 05:42:26 which distro are u using? Aug 01 05:42:58 shr-unstable 0721 Aug 01 05:43:16 is bluetooth and wifi working well? Aug 01 05:43:27 ...wifi works for the most part Aug 01 05:43:32 bluetooth...well...it turns ON Aug 01 05:43:40 but it's not like there is any control software Aug 01 05:43:49 FDOM is unbearable Aug 01 05:44:12 I've done BT with shr-unstable Aug 01 05:44:20 obex file transfer and whatnot Aug 01 05:44:20 fdom apparentl doesnt not initialize well after suspending Aug 01 05:44:42 it's ok, the battery will be dead by the time it finishes booting anyway Aug 01 05:45:34 oh yeah thats also true for android Aug 01 05:45:35 * rooly snnickers Aug 01 05:45:39 drains ur battery really fast Aug 01 05:45:48 the fastest booting device thus far is shr Aug 01 05:46:03 how about om2009? Aug 01 05:46:09 is it a good distro? Aug 01 05:46:11 beats om2009, qtmoko, and fdom by minutes Aug 01 05:46:20 om2009...well it works about as well as shr Aug 01 05:46:24 crashes just as often Aug 01 05:46:28 but the boot time is unbearable Aug 01 05:46:28 neovento wasnt too bad on boot time if I remember right Aug 01 05:47:10 qtmoko works well for the most part too Aug 01 05:47:18 except the crashes require reboot Aug 01 05:47:23 qtmoko still has wsod Aug 01 05:47:31 qt extended u mean? Aug 01 05:47:35 no, qtmoko Aug 01 05:47:41 that's the name of the distro Aug 01 05:47:54 is qtmoko better than qt extended? Aug 01 05:47:57 yesh Aug 01 05:48:17 imho, the most stable and capable dist ever available was qtopia 4.3.2 Aug 01 05:49:02 but then again, it crashed on internet, and when you had weird power schemes Aug 01 05:49:18 has anyone tried debian? Aug 01 05:49:50 i somehow doubt debian is optimized enough for this device's particular...nuances Aug 01 05:50:44 same with gentoo i guess Aug 01 06:11:57 neovento Aug 01 06:12:12 +Qi Aug 01 06:12:39 i want some Slack Aug 01 06:13:17 just a few more Distros An then we can move on Aug 01 06:14:53 once we get Turbo Linux an Mandriva then all will be well in linux land Aug 01 06:17:07 mwester: especially given that android's Qi is incompatible as it uses another NAND partition layout. Aug 01 06:17:53 wait, doesn't slack already exist on the FR? Aug 01 06:19:57 not to my knowledge Aug 01 06:20:11 it needs some help Aug 01 06:20:25 please help Slack Aug 01 06:20:52 fastest thing on x86 Aug 01 06:21:27 * rooly would give slack some love if it didn't suffocate itself with kde Aug 01 06:21:55 R&R Aug 01 06:28:06 does slackarm even have kde? Aug 01 06:28:16 prolly not Aug 01 06:28:25 kde is too broken even for slack to distribute Aug 01 06:28:49 where?/ Aug 01 06:31:52 i apologize. that's biased and shameful bashing on my end Aug 01 06:32:08 i had a bad experience with kde4 completely ruining my desktop a few times Aug 01 06:50:04 u installed slack64? Aug 01 06:50:21 it is a big change Aug 01 06:50:37 nah Aug 01 06:50:40 this was a long time ago Aug 01 06:50:43 o Aug 01 06:50:55 so anyway Aug 01 06:50:59 Slaxxer: guess what Aug 01 06:51:02 i installed slack63 last week Aug 01 06:51:13 *64 Aug 01 06:51:23 what? Aug 01 06:51:36 is Aug 01 06:51:39 it Aug 01 06:51:44 apparently, the gsm chip sees a gprs incoming packet the same way it sees an sms or phone call, and reactivates the phone Aug 01 06:51:46 from suspend Aug 01 06:51:52 you know what that means? Aug 01 06:52:21 wake on gprs? Aug 01 06:52:24 yeah Aug 01 06:52:27 but more specifically Aug 01 06:52:37 instant messenger protocols Aug 01 06:52:42 oic Aug 01 06:53:02 if the whole suspend thing could ever get worked out... Aug 01 06:53:30 but just write a messenger for the phone using efl or etk and libpurple Aug 01 06:53:41 link it to dbus Aug 01 06:53:49 modify notifier a little Aug 01 06:53:53 wake up suspend wake up suspend wake up .... Aug 01 06:54:01 oh well yeah Aug 01 06:54:08 but the battery life isn't affected that much Aug 01 06:54:58 useful Aug 01 06:55:28 that also means voip Aug 01 06:55:34 incoming phone calls and messages Aug 01 06:55:40 with no trouble Aug 01 06:56:26 IE google voice anybody? Aug 01 06:56:39 i want some Aug 01 06:56:40 minor issue with that Aug 01 06:56:44 make it so Aug 01 06:56:51 voip wont wake the phone up if suspended Aug 01 06:57:15 ndnihil: will voip send an ip packet? Aug 01 06:57:28 it should, that's part of its name Aug 01 06:57:38 then why wouldn't it activate the interrupt Aug 01 06:57:48 because the interface itself would not be available to receive that packet Aug 01 06:57:56 if the phone is suspended Aug 01 06:58:18 see, that's what i'm saying Aug 01 06:58:26 gprs Aug 01 06:58:31 the gsm chip so far seems to be waking on gprs Aug 01 06:58:37 gprs incoming Aug 01 06:58:50 er, you're not going to get voip over gprs Aug 01 06:58:52 too slow Aug 01 06:59:00 package delivered Aug 01 06:59:44 maybe just the 1 package to wake Aug 01 07:00:20 ndnihil: speed of connection is not the issue at hand Aug 01 07:00:31 what is? Aug 01 07:00:39 that the phone wakes on gprs packet Aug 01 07:00:51 oh, I thought it was voip specific Aug 01 07:00:53 sorry Aug 01 07:01:09 np Aug 01 07:01:16 you can probably toggle that in the gsm modem firmware Aug 01 07:01:18 i seem to be misinterpreted alot today Aug 01 07:01:30 at command to turn the wake on packet off Aug 01 07:01:50 that's how my telit module handles it Aug 01 07:02:59 well it's even better if it's configureable Aug 01 07:03:04 unrooly Aug 01 07:03:14 yo yo Aug 01 07:03:17 speak Aug 01 07:03:21 i be get tired Aug 01 07:03:24 :) Aug 01 07:04:00 :) != :V Aug 01 07:04:16 sleep Aug 01 07:04:25 i should Aug 01 07:20:12 hrm, just had someone at work complain about buzz.... Aug 01 07:20:29 guess its buzzfux time for me Aug 01 08:43:55 hi Aug 01 08:44:30 what kind of dictionary do I need for use with the illume keyboard? Aug 01 08:52:29 Darkas: text Aug 01 08:52:34 name Aug 01 08:52:37 name2 Aug 01 08:52:47 sorted in case-insenstive alphabetical order Aug 01 08:53:02 numebr is optional. it represents relative frequency of usage Aug 01 08:53:04 eg Aug 01 08:53:08 and 100 Aug 01 08:53:15 antilope 2 Aug 01 08:53:50 raster, so there's a special format? Aug 01 08:54:27 or can I also copy them from somewhere? Aug 01 08:54:38 its almost dict format Aug 01 08:54:44 in fact its compatible with dict format Aug 01 08:54:48 ie unix dict Aug 01 08:55:00 ok, that's good, thanks Aug 01 08:55:03 whcih is just that - alphbetical (case insensitve) sorted text newline delimited Aug 01 08:55:08 i added the thing Aug 01 08:55:29 use any tool (awk, perl whatevrer) to produce the files and add 's in if u want Aug 01 08:55:44 i hunted aroudn the net for work frequency corpus data to generate one for english Aug 01 08:55:53 and merged it with standard linux dict files Aug 01 08:55:58 ok Aug 01 09:08:58 raster, where can I get any .dict dictionary? I didn't find anything on the web... Aug 01 09:09:54 unix/linux edicts Aug 01 09:09:56 dicts Aug 01 09:10:04 the ones shipping for/linux/unix Aug 01 09:10:10 ispell/aspell etc. etc. etc. Aug 01 09:10:18 they have no format or extension Aug 01 09:10:21 there isnt a format Aug 01 09:10:25 its a text file Aug 01 10:02:26 raster, I copied the keyboards to the other ones but they aren't there... Aug 01 10:05:05 ok, got it, wrong directory ;) Aug 01 10:08:02 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5358 10/trunk/eda/lib/ (11 files in 3 dirs): Initial import of Kicad perl library Aug 01 10:12:23 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5359 10/trunk/eda/scripts/ (3 files): Add some useful scripts Aug 01 10:15:49 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5360 10/trunk/eda/scripts/list_netlist_components_by_value.pl: Fix netlist path Aug 01 10:52:06 hm, on milestone 5.5 receiving SMS with one SIM remains silent, with another works as I'd expect. Aug 01 10:52:39 i.e. zhone.log says "new message!" and all on the latter case and lists nothing whatsoever in the former. Aug 01 10:53:19 now how to distill the difference between the two SIMs so I can file a bugreport? and to whom? might be firmware issue. Aug 01 10:55:41 neo1973; working SIM is not UMTS (I think) Aug 01 10:56:01 moko11 gsm firmware? Aug 01 10:56:07 yes Aug 01 10:56:19 installed that months ago. Aug 01 11:07:12 the messages do arrive, as e.g. after reboot, they are read from the messagebook. Aug 01 11:14:35 Kero: duh, gsm-fw bug would mean the notification doesn't occur, or the very simple communication to read out sms-storage from sim stalls/fails. I would like to see a protocol of tty data to calypso prior to assuming this to be true Aug 01 11:16:12 anyway, it's probably Dieter and me you should address such bug report to (if it clearly shows it's a gsm-fw bug) Aug 01 11:18:18 best you send CC to joerg@om.org otherwise I might even miss ;) Aug 01 11:18:51 DocScrutinizer: sure. How do I produce such a tty data log? Aug 01 11:20:47 duh, no idea. Abyss / gsm0710muxd should be able to produce a complete log. And mwester had a special kernel-patch to monitor arbitrary ttys (the name of I can't remember ATM). mickeyl should know better advice Aug 01 11:21:54 mickeyl: can you help out? Aug 01 11:22:33 i recommend first trying to find the right layer Aug 01 11:22:37 start with inspecting fso log Aug 01 11:22:45 only after that go deeper Aug 01 11:22:49 (if necessary) Aug 01 11:22:56 ack Aug 01 11:24:21 might be some race where sim is busy doing "other things" while someone tries to read out sms storage Aug 01 11:24:44 this may explain diffs between particular sims Aug 01 11:26:38 Kero: was reception of sms during suspend state? Aug 01 11:30:38 I suppose so. goes into suspend rather quickly, after all. Aug 01 11:31:29 I have a zhone log, how to get an fso log... Aug 01 11:31:47 check openmokoframework page on the wiki for debug log info Aug 01 11:32:06 need to move these pages eventually Aug 01 11:32:09 (to the fso wiki) Aug 01 11:38:14 ok. exchanging SIMs. let's see what we get. Aug 01 11:40:18 (even that darn WinCE based HTC boots faster than my Neo...) Aug 01 11:42:55 yikes? WARNING Out-of-spec GSM number type seen: 161. Please report. Aug 01 11:42:57 it's not the Neo's fault Aug 01 11:43:03 it's the software Aug 01 11:43:15 one of my next pet projects will be 'fsoboot' Aug 01 11:43:27 I know, I know. in theory phone needs to boot once anyway. Aug 01 11:43:52 but when debugging, it's noticeable :) Aug 01 11:44:04 It should be supplied booted from the factory in suspend! Aug 01 11:44:06 i want 30 seconds to the first phone call, i still believe we can do it Aug 01 11:44:06 :) Aug 01 11:44:30 DocScrutinizer: no, ws not in suspend. I'm confusing it with dark screen in idle mode, sorry. Aug 01 11:45:36 ogsmd.channel DEBUG : got 14 bytes: '\r\n%CPR Aug 01 11:45:40 I: 1,2\r\n' Aug 01 11:45:42 ? Aug 01 11:46:43 SpeedEvil: suspend to disk :-D Aug 01 11:47:15 honestly I pondered if this was a viable way to speed up "boot" Aug 01 11:48:26 DocScrutinizery: what I meant Aug 01 11:48:45 DocScrutinizer: though with the rather slow SD/flash... Aug 01 11:53:26 so, CPRI and CSQ are about gsm suspend and signal strength. that's the only thing in the log (DEBUG level) I can find close after sending the text message. Aug 01 11:53:42 hi Aug 01 11:53:59 some CREG and COPS stuff later on, regular "alive" stuff, I think. Aug 01 11:54:57 any easy way to force reading the message book? zhone works from memory... Aug 01 11:55:42 Kero: make sure there's free storage space for sms on both sims Aug 01 11:56:10 less than 10 on both sides. Aug 01 11:56:59 only mickey knows how to read fso logs ;-) Aug 01 11:57:08 hehe Aug 01 11:58:00 :D Aug 01 11:58:07 Kero: anyway a diff between two logs should show where things differ Aug 01 11:58:29 "manual" diff Aug 01 11:58:45 a diff! well, I'll be curious how reveiving SMS looks like. Aug 01 11:59:27 bbl Aug 01 11:59:56 I'll reboot neo check the SMS is there or not (message book is read after PIN is accepted), then I'll make the second diff. Aug 01 12:00:03 *second log, for a diff Aug 01 12:15:08 sure, message is in book after reboot. exchanging SIM's once more. Aug 01 12:19:50 on working SIM, immediately after that CPRI thing, there is Aug 01 12:19:51 ogsmd.channel DEBUG : got 17 bytes: '\r\n+CMTI: "SM",3\r\n' Aug 01 12:20:23 and the SMS is received Aug 01 12:28:50 anyone electronics guys awake, have a question (not about the neo) Aug 01 12:29:06 ? Aug 01 12:29:15 also - ##electronigs Aug 01 12:29:42 yeah, i asked in #elecronics on efnet but they hardly talk about electronics in there :P Aug 01 12:29:52 Hmm. I just did some tests - and my GPRS is only half the speed of my broadband. Aug 01 12:29:56 on freenode Aug 01 12:30:05 OTOH - my broadband is at 128K ATM. Aug 01 12:30:06 heh Aug 01 12:30:08 * SpeedEvil stabs. Aug 01 12:30:49 rootkits, FPGAs, throwies have been topics in the last hour Aug 01 12:31:38 openmoko: 03werner * r5361 10/developers/werner/fped/ (12 files): Aug 01 12:31:38 openmoko: - renamed is_id to is_id_char and renamed validate_id to is_id Aug 01 12:31:38 openmoko: string Aug 01 12:31:38 openmoko: - entering an unchanged frame or variable name wasn't accepted Aug 01 12:31:38 openmoko: - added vector name editor Aug 01 12:31:38 openmoko: - fped: don't crash when invoked without a file name Aug 01 12:32:15 i was just wondering if anyone knew if max232 chips can feedback power from their inputs to their VCC line Aug 01 12:32:39 having an odd issue where the carpc's mcu is running and trying to talk to my pc inside even tho the carpc has no power Aug 01 12:33:37 In general - all ( well - 99.999%) of chips will feed back power into their vcc when input exceeds vcc by 0.6V or so Aug 01 12:34:03 ok, so thats probably whats happening then Aug 01 12:34:06 The 232 case is complicated, but I'd say it's quite possible. I'd need to actually look at the internal block diagram to confirm. Aug 01 12:34:14 the 12V from my pc's rs232 port is running the mcus Aug 01 12:34:37 yeah Aug 01 12:35:04 The other issue is it's probably not specced to do that. Aug 01 12:35:08 And may not be regulated. Aug 01 12:35:44 well its been like that for a while, if it was going to damage something it would have by now Aug 01 12:36:03 * Psi wonders how to stop that from happening Aug 01 12:36:10 cant exactly put a diode in the line Aug 01 12:38:14 is it simply connected to the 232 - or is there anything else connected to the rx? Aug 01 12:39:09 how do you mean? Aug 01 12:40:36 the pc serial port goes directly into the rs232 input of the max232 Aug 01 12:42:37 well, through a resistor Aug 01 12:44:18 in any case, now i know what to look at, thanks SpeedEvil :) Aug 01 12:44:52 np Aug 01 13:06:21 hi Aug 01 13:06:48 is it possible to let the screen of my moko be on my notebook too? Aug 01 13:08:50 yes, via usbnet (or other network connection); install x11vnc (or similar) on the neo and share its display via VNC to the notebook Aug 01 13:09:04 I've done a couple of presentations in the past, demoing in this manner Aug 01 13:10:03 damn Aug 01 13:10:17 I don't think, that vnc exist for android Aug 01 13:10:44 oh, android Aug 01 13:10:53 well, that's another kettle of fish then Aug 01 13:20:53 NeatX perhaps? Aug 01 13:44:10 how usable to an end user is the openmoko with the android operating system on it? I am looking into getting one and returning my iphone but I want to make sure I will be able to use it first. Aug 01 13:45:02 drascus321: not really. Aug 01 13:45:47 ah so it would be a bad idea to switch out an iphone for a freerunner with android Aug 01 13:47:15 is there anyway I can help support your project beyond buying a phone? Aug 01 13:47:54 because I do eventually want a Free phone Aug 01 13:48:08 mail about SMS sent. Aug 01 13:48:28 drascus321: check SHR, forget Android Aug 01 13:48:47 good thing is, the SIM that works will supersede the one that does not work in w few weeks, so my Neo should be ready for day-to-day use, then. Finally. Aug 01 13:49:32 drascus321: as Android isn't a truely free system either. And you'll find very few support at least here in this channel Aug 01 13:49:39 drascus321: just install SHR. it is usable. Aug 01 13:50:10 so with SHR the freerunner could be used as an everyday phone? Aug 01 13:50:24 Q-Master: though not in a "swap iPhone for it" sense ;-D Aug 01 13:50:46 drascus321: depending on your needs, basically yes Aug 01 13:50:51 DocScrutinizer: 8)) I will, if I'll have an iphone Aug 01 13:51:04 * Q-Master don't really like apple Aug 01 13:51:35 drascus321: that's what I'm actually doing: eating my own dogfood ;) Aug 01 13:51:37 I don't like apple either which is kind of why I am looking into it. it's just that apple had the capabilities I was looking for Aug 01 13:51:51 heh Aug 01 13:52:37 FR + SHR in daily use for ~3months here now Aug 01 13:52:56 drascus321: I am using SHR and Neo as a second phone for now. It lacks PIM support now. That's the worse thing for me Aug 01 13:53:15 cool and you can text, send e-mails, get online fairly effortlessly? Aug 01 13:53:31 yup Aug 01 13:53:32 SHR + Neo has not worke for me. milestone 5.5 fares better Aug 01 13:53:57 not as cute and smart as with e.g. iPhone, but yes it works Aug 01 13:54:20 drascus321: online with WIFI works very well. GPRS seems also working. I never sent an e-mails from it, but smses and phonecalls are perfect. Aug 01 13:54:24 Kero: please rephrase Aug 01 13:54:26 Q-Master what was your setup time like for that? how long did it take you to work out the bugs? Aug 01 13:54:44 DocScrutinizer: how are you dealing with e-mails? Aug 01 13:55:01 no emails on phone here Aug 01 13:55:06 drascus321: just installed and voila. 8) Aug 01 13:55:15 wow I am pretty impressed Aug 01 13:55:28 you could use web-frontend mailer anyway for now Aug 01 13:55:34 they don't call you Q-master for nothing ;) Aug 01 13:55:51 bragger ;-P Aug 01 13:55:54 DocScrutinizer: ? SHR has not worked on my Neo. i.e not asking for PIN at start-up and things like that. Aug 01 13:56:02 drascus321: it is nick from zx-spectrum days Aug 01 13:56:21 and so you just flashed it with that OS and it all worked. now on Wifi is there a GUI front end or is it all command line Aug 01 13:56:23 Kero: strange... very strange Aug 01 13:56:29 SHR-U20090703 works here Aug 01 13:56:37 DocScrutinizer: milestone 5.5 (fso, right?) does do that consistently and apart from the SMS on one SIM, seems to work for the basic stuff Aug 01 13:57:15 drascus321: some primitive GUI. but there's better gui but it is in development and not properly working for me yet. Aug 01 13:57:21 Kero: SHR is built on FSO5.5 Aug 01 13:57:27 drascus321: but it might work for you. Aug 01 13:58:11 DocScrutinizer: which SHR? 5.5 is out only a few days... Aug 01 13:58:14 Kero: FSO isn't even meant to be a productive distro. Zhone is a mere test environment for framework Aug 01 13:58:18 and what network do you use Q-MAster Aug 01 13:58:30 drascus321: ? Aug 01 13:58:33 sorry for all the questions by the way I appreciate your input Aug 01 13:58:48 ok, there is one of Jul 29 that could be. Aug 01 13:58:58 mobile network? verizon, At&t, etc...? Aug 01 13:59:38 Kero: SHR-U draws from fso-branch AIUI, so it's always newest version of FSO which SHR bases on Aug 01 14:00:27 well, perhaps I should try again. at least I know I shoul use 2.6.24 not the series of 2.6.29 images that do not even fit on my partition... Aug 01 14:00:35 drascus321: I am russian, so Beeline. Aug 01 14:00:41 and btw: "fso_the_distri" is EOL. FSO-team will merge framework into SHR as I got it Aug 01 14:00:59 so for Wifi I suppose if the GUI doesn't work their is some kind of tutorial out there for connecting on command line? Aug 01 14:01:06 Kero: 1973 ?? Aug 01 14:01:13 yeah Aug 01 14:01:26 and I know FSO is EOL Aug 01 14:01:35 huh? Aug 01 14:01:40 end of line? Aug 01 14:01:46 oh I see does anyone have experiance with this thing on AT&T Aug 01 14:01:47 ? Aug 01 14:01:49 Oh, that's a different story. uSD rootfs strongly recommended Aug 01 14:02:15 serdar: end of life Aug 01 14:02:42 huh why, they are really onto it Aug 01 14:03:05 fso is not meant as a distro, never was. Aug 01 14:03:06 drascus321: it works but it is too simple for me. Aug 01 14:03:20 meant as showcase. Aug 01 14:03:22 serdar: I told, they merge into SHR. Means they don't publish any more separate images Aug 01 14:03:50 I see Aug 01 14:04:03 I couldn't try the latest release of them Aug 01 14:04:05 serdar: ->zhone might die, fso will live on Aug 01 14:04:20 it ended in a login Aug 01 14:04:51 DocScrutinizer: kernel, not rootfs. it'd be nice to know which kernel is needed for which rootfs in the long list on http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01/ Aug 01 14:04:53 DocScrutinizer, ah. Aug 01 14:05:25 Kero: probably always files of same date match Aug 01 14:06:42 DocScrutinizer: so why does 5.5 ship 2.6.24 when that's an old file for SHR :) Aug 01 14:06:45 kerm|t: pester mrmoku on #*-devel about that! Aug 01 14:07:13 Kero: ^ Aug 01 14:07:17 oh sorry my battery died Aug 01 14:07:20 kerm|t: sorry Aug 01 14:07:25 :) Aug 01 14:07:55 drascus321: sounds like you got a Neo already ;-D Aug 01 14:08:14 lol really battery life is that bad ouch Aug 01 14:08:39 I thought they had resolved those problems Aug 01 14:08:52 actually Neo bat life is rather decent meanwhile Aug 01 14:09:47 6~8h active (with 30% backlight), >2days standby Aug 01 14:10:11 I guess the killer to the iphone for me would be a) can i plug it into my GNU/Linux computer and do file transfers to it? will it play my ogg vorbis collection Aug 01 14:10:27 alphaone even has reached standby times of ~140h Aug 01 14:10:31 DocScrutinizer: don't know what battery you have, but mine lasts 8h in suspend... Aug 01 14:10:36 that is what tends to annoy me with just about every device I come into contact with Aug 01 14:10:36 True Aug 01 14:10:48 Though he's full of crap as you know ;-) Aug 01 14:10:56 Kero: that's NOT standby Aug 01 14:11:08 DocScrutinizer: BTW, I'm using my #1024 fixed phone as my regular one now Aug 01 14:11:12 that's full active, maybe dim backlit Aug 01 14:11:32 alphaone: flawlessly I assume Aug 01 14:11:40 DocScrutinizer: Depends Aug 01 14:11:57 It seems I'm able to crash fso-usage from time to time Aug 01 14:12:05 DocScrutinizer: then what is stand-by? does it ring on incoming calls with that? Aug 01 14:12:15 nd how do I get it in stand-by? Aug 01 14:12:20 Kero: SURE lol Aug 01 14:12:39 Which results in suspend not suspending any resources (i.e. configuring GSM for suspend) which in turn wakes the phone up pretty often Aug 01 14:13:10 Kero: in SHR you can push powerbutton and select "standby" from menu. or config auto-standby after arbitrary time Aug 01 14:14:00 alphaone: strange. bug in fsousaged? Aug 01 14:14:12 probably. Aug 01 14:14:21 Haven't looked into it yet, though :-( Aug 01 14:14:27 so go fix it, damn! ;-P Aug 01 14:14:35 Hehe Aug 01 14:14:37 I am watching a video in dailymotion I am actually surprised SHR looks pretty snappy Aug 01 14:14:38 in comparison, power-button in FSO does what? certainly more than dim screen. Aug 01 14:15:20 dunno, never used FSO image for daily use Aug 01 14:15:57 as I told, it's not intended for that after all. It's a testbed Aug 01 14:16:30 for fso-framework Aug 01 14:16:36 middleware Aug 01 14:17:03 the gUI is rudimentary, as are details like suspend Aug 01 14:17:26 alphaone: correct me if I'm wrong Aug 01 14:17:58 I know, I have to start somewhere; first image that works well enough for the basic stuff. but 2 days vs 8h is quite a big difference. Aug 01 14:18:20 sure Aug 01 14:18:40 test shr-unstable from 20090703 Aug 01 14:19:07 and somehow, if SHR is based upon FSO, I'm curious how they achieve that. there's more difference than zhone vs apps then. Aug 01 14:19:41 how is the on screen keyboard can it be touch typed or do you need stylus? Aug 01 14:19:43 Kero: btw power management on GTA01 is quite a different story still Aug 01 14:20:43 drascus321: there's some 4..7 different keyboards, some of them rather fingerfriendly. I prefer stylus and the small complete terminal-kbd Aug 01 14:21:14 can you plug a usb keyboard into it? Aug 01 14:21:20 alphaone: seems a good thing you plan to stop shipping own distro/rootfs Aug 01 14:21:37 drascus321: yup, without any problem Aug 01 14:21:43 I have neo/gta01. what can I expect, 8h or 2 days? :) I'll certainly try shr unstable. Aug 01 14:21:47 Ooo now your turning me on Aug 01 14:21:51 lol Aug 01 14:22:12 Kero: I have >2d al the time on my everyday Neo Aug 01 14:22:18 drascus321: http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=openmoko%20usb%20keyboard&meta= lists the problems Aug 01 14:22:35 1973 power management is still somewhat flaky afaik Aug 01 14:22:42 ask PaulFertser for that Aug 01 14:22:58 actually I have a bluetooth keyboard shouldn't I be able to use that? Aug 01 14:23:31 DocScrutinizer: ok, will do Aug 01 14:23:53 right now, I'm going into the park and play with GPS a bit. pretty sure that works, though. Aug 01 14:24:00 drascus321: depends. If you can manage to make it work over BT on a regular desktop distri, it should work as well on Neo and SHR Aug 01 14:24:41 yes I can actually it works quite flawlessly in Ubuntu Aug 01 14:24:55 alphaone: (good) see confusion here about FSO-MS5.5 vs SHR Aug 01 14:24:55 I am using it right now Aug 01 14:25:35 so it should be possible to proceed exactly same way on Freerunner, using same tools and commands Aug 01 14:25:53 basically Aug 01 14:27:27 well in ubuntu they have a bluetooth setup wizard so it will probably be a little different Aug 01 14:27:52 unless I could possible install the setup wizard on the freerunner Aug 01 14:28:27 by they way can you use external storage to run apps or is it only what is in the flash memory? Aug 01 14:29:50 you can run stuff from a multi-terabyte RAID in a suitcase connected to the USB port if you want :) Aug 01 14:31:16 hehehehehe lol Aug 01 14:31:25 lol Aug 01 14:31:26 SpeedEvil: o/ Aug 01 14:31:40 I tested a 16GB uSD yesterday Aug 01 14:32:00 sounds like enough of satorage for apps and a few mp3 Aug 01 14:32:53 SpeedEvil: I'd consider using a Y-cable not to suck FR's bat THAT fast then ;-P Aug 01 14:34:28 drascus321: you can *easily* setup a multiboot system with 2, 3, or even 8 or more separate rootfs Aug 01 14:35:23 one on NAND internal storage, the others on uSD, external usb-RAID, NFS remote mount, whatever you like Aug 01 14:35:44 Even NFS-GPRS if you're barking mad. Aug 01 14:36:00 well, you could even (try to) setup 2 systems on NAND, but that's a little small then Aug 01 14:36:22 yes I do like the prospect of hacking the thing like crazy Aug 01 14:36:48 could be a good learning experience. Aug 01 14:37:05 you bet Aug 01 14:37:30 I guess I could always put it on my resume lol Aug 01 14:37:51 if that's your approach, then Freerunner is the device for you, and iPhone SUCKS Aug 01 14:38:35 kind of reminds me when I first switched to ubuntu back in the dapper days when nothing worked Aug 01 14:39:08 hopefully openmoko goes the same route and ends up kick ass Aug 01 14:39:36 it's up to you Aug 01 14:40:20 each support appreciated Aug 01 14:43:12 well I am staring at a checkout screen right now with my other hand on a credit card so I think I am leaning in that directin Aug 01 14:44:42 drascus321: try to get an A7 or buzzfixed A6 Aug 01 14:45:04 prolly you need to ask to make sure Aug 01 14:45:05 http://sdgsystems.com/estore/cart.php?target=cart Aug 01 14:45:15 thats the one I am going for Aug 01 14:45:22 does that look right? Aug 01 14:45:53 ""Your shopping cart is empty."" Aug 01 14:46:46 right I haven't gone through checkout yet Aug 01 14:47:47 so that's the right one though with the buzzfix and all? Aug 01 14:48:36 drascus321: beware you're entering a world of sleepless nights and social isolation Aug 01 14:48:49 huh? Aug 01 14:48:50 s/beware/beware,/ Aug 01 14:48:50 plekter meant: drascus321: beware, you're entering a world of sleepless nights and social isolation Aug 01 14:49:15 apt? Aug 01 14:49:27 apt: help Aug 01 14:49:28 drascus321: yah, this gadget consumes time! Aug 01 14:49:40 mighty fun tho. Aug 01 14:49:41 sleepless nights because I will be having so much fun? or because I will be knocking my head against a wall? Aug 01 14:50:00 uh, both i suppose Aug 01 14:50:10 I already barely sleep so sounds normal to me Aug 01 14:50:17 ok, go ahead then Aug 01 14:50:38 uh oh ok now I am back on the fence Aug 01 14:50:43 drascus321: still no idea about your cart Aug 01 14:50:50 drascus321: i think you have fun while knocking your head against a wall :P Aug 01 14:50:53 so sorry, no advice from here Aug 01 14:50:57 lol Aug 01 14:51:01 it's ok Aug 01 14:51:09 drascus321: it's cheaper than a freerunner and much more fun :) Aug 01 14:51:26 I will figure it all out later I have things I have to get done today Aug 01 14:51:32 but thanks for the help all Aug 01 14:51:49 hum :) Aug 01 14:52:12 drascus321: yeah, I used search and yes looks like it. check for correct GSM-band!! Aug 01 14:52:53 drascus321: where U r? Aug 01 14:53:12 US, Eurpe? Aug 01 14:59:35 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r6dd6a3e550c9 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: Queries: implement (Contact|Message|Call)Added signal Aug 01 15:15:49 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rd562347894fc 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking Aug 01 15:20:42 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r6c8ebc1ffa48 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: GenericDomain: implement EntryAdded signal in queries Aug 01 15:39:20 damn, mayday! autosuspend sticky on off. How to fix (except reboot)? Aug 01 16:03:45 is there something in tangogps that allows foe setting the correct time zone on the internel clock? Aug 01 16:04:04 Slaxxer: that surely is not the task of tangogps? Aug 01 16:04:36 ok Aug 01 16:05:04 so why does my time zone not set correctlt in shr? Aug 01 16:05:39 Slaxxer: how did you configure it? Aug 01 16:05:50 i guess i havent Aug 01 16:06:32 its set to sunday this is saterday Aug 01 16:06:41 well Aug 01 16:07:19 i need to set the time zone Aug 01 16:08:30 simply Aug 01 16:22:29 gps sight is what i need Aug 01 16:44:34 tangogps is downloading maps even though the knosole connection was exited Aug 01 16:54:22 hey people Aug 01 16:54:34 anyone know if fribidi is availible for shr? Aug 01 16:55:24 and otherwise, I heard that there is Hebrew locale support but can't find the ipk link Aug 01 17:00:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * r4eafbb127b92 10/ (.gitignore configure.ac): check for vala version; use AC_GNU_SOURCE Aug 01 17:33:17 openmoko: 03werner * r5362 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (docs/ecn/ecn0001.txt gta02-core.sch memory.sch): Aug 01 17:33:17 openmoko: Added preservation of R1801 to ECN0001 and modified memory.sch and the Aug 01 17:33:17 openmoko: reference on gta02-core.sch accordingly. Aug 01 18:09:47 has anyone tried Neovento as a distro on the freerunner? Aug 01 18:47:21 Hi! Is there any nautical/sea charts/maps for tangogps? Aug 01 18:49:51 There was talk... Aug 01 18:50:26 http://openseamap.org/ Aug 01 18:51:05 I have no idea what state the project is at. Aug 01 18:56:31 hmm... It does not look like it is it useable for my purpose :S And it seems a bit unfinished Aug 01 18:57:48 well... that was stupid Aug 01 18:57:59 on my PC, my FR comes up as eth2 Aug 01 18:58:19 I accidentally tried to set it up as eth1 Aug 01 18:58:46 so... I made my PC try to route its internets through... itself Aug 01 18:59:40 cue "No route to host" error fun time! Aug 01 19:00:22 Is it possible to use commercial maps for tangogps? Or maybe for navit? Aug 01 19:01:57 TeNoVi: generally not Aug 01 19:02:12 TeNoVi: you can use google maps in principle, but not legally, and they may ban you Aug 01 19:03:08 SpeedEvil: Do you know if I can buy for example maps for garmin devices and use those? Aug 01 19:04:01 I'm unsure Aug 01 19:04:19 Generally that doesn't work so well because of DRM issues Aug 01 19:05:16 http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Garmin_maps Aug 01 19:08:36 SpeedEvil: Hmm... Thanks. Aug 01 19:09:14 TeNoVi: nothing is impossible lol Aug 01 19:19:39 SpeedEvil: (commercial maps). AIUI a friend of mine is using TOP50 Aug 01 19:20:05 with tango Aug 01 19:21:03 TeNoVi: (TOP50 is the government supported "official" topologic-1:50.000 cards) Aug 01 19:27:35 daniel32708: (neovento) yes I heard sth, but afaik neovento is a one-man-performance, and the guy is complaining about kernel/framework/whatever isn't working the way he thought it should be. Otoh he refuses to discuss why the fso architecture is better the way it's now than the way he feels is mandatory. So I'm not very interested in neovento after all Aug 01 19:28:43 i see Aug 01 19:28:57 daniel32708: and in the end I could be totally wrong on all that Aug 01 20:13:07 openmoko: 03werner * r5363 10/developers/werner/fped/ (17 files in 2 dirs): Aug 01 20:13:07 openmoko: - README: added motivation Aug 01 20:13:07 openmoko: - added icon bar for object creation (doesn't do anything yet) Aug 01 20:13:07 openmoko: - tables now have thin black lines as separators, instead of the default grey Aug 01 20:59:13 Kero: hey Aug 01 22:56:59 should I expect SHR to work out-of-the-box with a usb wifi adapter? Aug 01 22:58:31 hmm... You should put your moko to Host mode Aug 01 22:58:37 and it depends on what wifi adapter Aug 01 22:58:59 if it works with another linux machine, it should work with SHR Aug 01 22:59:03 I believe Aug 01 22:59:53 so in short: you'll know if you try ;) Aug 01 23:12:33 openmoko: 03werner * r5364 10/developers/werner/fped/ (15 files): Aug 01 23:12:33 openmoko: - added text renderer Aug 01 23:12:33 openmoko: - non-filled arrows are now open Aug 01 23:12:33 openmoko: - added measurements (syntax: meas ) Aug 01 23:12:34 openmoko: - we now draw frame titles Aug 01 23:18:02 Guys I have a freerunner running QTmoko, I see the "turn wifi on and turn wifi off" in the menu, but is there a way to see the wireless networks and connect to one? thru GUI? Aug 01 23:18:14 or does it have to be installed? Aug 01 23:18:17 help pls! Aug 01 23:21:36 maybe more chance at #qtmoko channel ? Aug 01 23:22:15 lol i didnt know there was one Aug 01 23:22:19 thx! Aug 01 23:26:24 daniel327081: through terminal it's easy though Aug 01 23:26:44 daniel327081: check $iwlist -scan Aug 01 23:26:44 is there a wiki? Aug 01 23:26:52 and connect like this: Aug 01 23:26:52 cool Aug 01 23:27:01 iwconfig essid "your ap name" Aug 01 23:27:40 what do u mean by your ap name? Aug 01 23:27:46 access point name Aug 01 23:27:52 ok Aug 01 23:27:53 name of your router Aug 01 23:27:55 ssid Aug 01 23:28:04 yeah Aug 01 23:28:05 ok Aug 01 23:29:04 pieterc: I did try, but the wifi adapter didn't even light. Guess I should try through a powered usb hub Aug 01 23:29:36 bove: that might be indeed... You put your moko in host mode? Aug 01 23:29:46 yep Aug 01 23:30:20 I guess FR can give a limited amount of mA Aug 01 23:30:22 using the shr gui. Plugged in a mouse, and that lit Aug 01 23:30:40 a powered usb hub should do the trick i think Aug 01 23:31:01 yes, just have to find a cable... Aug 01 23:31:07 should be able to give 500mA Aug 01 23:31:32 mjr: a wifi hub might need more tough :) Aug 01 23:31:43 note that logical host mode is separate from the power supply setting, or was last I checked Aug 01 23:32:44 daniel327081: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi Aug 01 23:33:07 should make your dream come true ;) Aug 01 23:33:22 wow thanx pieterc! Aug 01 23:34:30 might, though not very usb compliant... Aug 01 23:34:36 daniel327081: sometimes textual interfaces are way more useful than the graphical ones ;) Aug 01 23:34:53 lol yeas thats true Aug 01 23:39:01 pieterc: The freerunner seems to establish usb0 network connection each time I plug in a device. Could this be the problem? Aug 01 23:39:34 nope Aug 01 23:39:47 i don't think so Aug 01 23:40:22 hm Aug 01 23:40:40 any Ideas on how to find out if the connected mouse actually works? Aug 01 23:43:15 yes, on there is some help on the wiki on that Aug 01 23:43:34 I think you should alter your xorg.conf to show the mouse pointer Aug 01 23:43:36 bove: you could probaly active the mouse..icon, Aug 01 23:44:02 Oh dear... eth0 seems to have disappeared from existance on my freerunner [shr] Aug 01 23:44:16 removing and adding the ar6000 module doesn't help? Aug 01 23:44:18 .* Aug 01 23:55:25 pieterc: hexdump /dev/input/mice shows the mouse is working Aug 01 23:56:12 bove: good one :) Should've come up with that Aug 01 23:57:19 good luck! I'm going to sleep Aug 01 23:57:49 bye Aug 02 00:27:54 :< Aug 02 00:55:30 :D Aug 02 01:00:11 doc|home: heya, didn't know you were in this chan Aug 02 01:00:29 * mamont hugs open source mobileness Aug 02 01:01:46 mamont: now you're just outright lying. You've talked to me, and accused me of stuff before in this channel. Aug 02 01:02:09 oh? Probably wasn't paying attention Aug 02 01:02:17 what'd I accuse you of? Was it something to do with a sexual act? :) Aug 02 01:02:32 mamont: you're a very broken person and I have no interest in talking to you. Aug 02 01:02:40 so why are you :D Aug 02 01:02:58 I'm probably your only friend, don't push me away :D Aug 02 01:10:15 doc|home: it's so hard to make fun of you because you're so inactive in all your channels Aug 02 01:35:54 doc|home: it's okay, I still lubses you Aug 02 01:35:55 catch you later **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 02 02:59:57 2009