**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 02 02:59:57 2009 Aug 02 03:17:16 http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=arm Aug 02 03:25:00 woo Aug 02 04:42:10 ... Aug 02 04:42:28 anyone wanna buy a freerunner? 100$'s Aug 02 04:42:33 lolz. Aug 02 04:42:48 that is just the starting bid, silly. Aug 02 04:42:59 altho no one has bid on it yet. Aug 02 05:17:44 openmoko: 03werner * r5365 10/developers/werner/fped/ (TODO gui_icons.c gui_inst.c inst.c inst.h): (log message trimmed) Aug 02 05:17:44 openmoko: - implemented radio buttons for icon bar, but don't like them Aug 02 05:17:44 openmoko: - removed excessive paranoia in inst_get_bbox Aug 02 05:17:44 openmoko: - instances are now stacked by drawing/selection priority Aug 02 05:17:44 openmoko: - struct inst_ops is only used inside inst.c, moved it there Aug 02 05:17:48 openmoko: - no longer need "magic" VEC_EYE_R in gui_inst.c to give vectors selection Aug 02 05:17:50 openmoko: priority Aug 02 05:36:24 openmoko: 03werner * r5366 10/developers/werner/fped/ (TODO gui_inst.c gui_inst.h inst.c): Aug 02 05:36:24 openmoko: - the stem of a vector can now also be selected, but at low priority Aug 02 05:36:24 openmoko: - active elements are drawn above inactive ones Aug 02 05:36:24 openmoko: - the selected element is always drawn on top Aug 02 05:55:20 xhr17, that's it? no more? Aug 02 06:23:36 how does it go with gta02-core, gta03 and plan B? Aug 02 06:43:17 arg, dates is segging with the latest shr unstable image Aug 02 06:47:57 but only when I preselect the time from the calendar graphic interface Aug 02 07:22:37 * azaghal just discovered the tap the bottom on FBReader... And is _very_ happy about it :D Aug 02 08:54:26 PaulFertser: so far it is working great Aug 02 08:54:49 (battery graph) Aug 02 09:22:29 Psi: did you try the full discharge? Aug 02 09:23:00 Psi: the graph is modelled after bq27000 idea of battery charge left. Aug 02 09:36:35 ya, i ran it till it died Aug 02 09:36:51 how low is the level supposed to get before the phone shuts off Aug 02 09:38:36 Psi: it's not as easy to tell. Aug 02 09:38:54 Psi: GSM modem turns off first but there're still some capacity to run the system left. Aug 02 09:39:07 when the phone died the icon was red, and the low batt popup had triggered. but id say the level inside the battery icon was 25% (red) Aug 02 09:39:52 Psi: do you tell it by looking at the icon or by placing the mouse pointer over it and reading the values? Aug 02 09:40:12 Psi: have you kept the log of discharge (/sys/class/power_supply/battery/uevent) Aug 02 09:40:25 hm.. didnt know you could click on it Aug 02 09:41:01 Psi: not click, just hover. Aug 02 09:41:03 i was going to set cron to take a screen shot every 10 min but i could find a binary of gpe-scap Aug 02 09:41:33 could=couldnt Aug 02 09:42:06 Psi: screenshot instead of "cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/uevent"? Aug 02 09:42:30 ya, didnt know about uevent Aug 02 09:43:41 Psi: there're other self-descriptive nodes in there. Aug 02 09:44:36 ah, i see Aug 02 09:44:53 ok, i ill repeat and make you a log Aug 02 09:45:31 Psi: i don't really need it. Aug 02 09:45:32 my battery might be a little stuffed, its been fully discharged maybe 6 times Aug 02 09:46:00 Psi: if end-users are happy enough with the guessimation curve, let it be it. Aug 02 09:46:14 yeah, im very happy with it Aug 02 09:46:35 good work Aug 02 09:46:46 Psi: say thanks to SpeedEvil when you see him next time :) Aug 02 09:47:00 will do Aug 02 09:48:47 the curve can always be tweaked in the future if needed Aug 02 09:56:44 funky. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD starts at partition 1 on SD, my uboot seems to start at 0. Aug 02 09:58:25 Kero: are you the one who asked about power management on gta01? Aug 02 09:59:24 asked about duration of battery & diff between FSO 5.5 and SHR, as I get 8h on Neo for 5.5 and DOc gets 2d on SHR Aug 02 09:59:42 so i'm installing shr now. Aug 02 09:59:48 Kero: are you on gta01? Aug 02 09:59:55 yes Aug 02 10:00:40 Kero: suspend time on gta01 with uSD removed should be ~48hrs. Aug 02 10:01:06 and what the diff between suspend and standby is. Aug 02 10:01:17 Kero: what's standby? Aug 02 10:01:38 I don't know Aug 02 10:02:04 doc used the term. Aug 02 10:02:27 Kero: which doc? Aug 02 10:02:40 DocScrutinizer Aug 02 10:02:51 huh? Aug 02 10:03:02 moin paul btw :) Aug 02 10:03:13 DocScrutinizer: i can't believe you used "standby" to describe a gta01 state ;) Aug 02 10:03:36 DocScrutinizer: Hehe, you see finally someone is happy with discharge curve :) Aug 02 10:03:48 sorry, even me has a silly 5min every once in a few weeks Aug 02 10:04:27 Kero: with gta01 you'll have about 4-5 hours running and ~40 hrs suspend. Aug 02 10:04:57 ok Aug 02 10:04:58 Kero: that's definetely can be improved but those who can do that (have skills) lack either time or hardware. Aug 02 10:05:07 PaulFertser: ( finally someone is happy) please elaborate, don't see it Aug 02 10:05:11 Kero: i for once lack hardware. Aug 02 10:05:29 DocScrutinizer: Psi tested improved battery driver on gta01 and says he's ok with the capacity readings. Aug 02 10:05:39 great :) Aug 02 10:06:10 hm. as it seems my single Neo1973 works now (whee!) you're not going to get mine, sorry :) Aug 02 10:06:22 hrhrrrhrrr Aug 02 10:06:45 Kero: you reminded me that i've one important task waiting: fix SD power management on gta01 which is fubared atm. Aug 02 10:07:06 PaulFertser: seems I have to lend out my only 01-device to you Aug 02 10:07:34 Kero: and btw FSO 5.5 still uses 2.6.24 while SHR uses 2.6.29 which can (and most probably still has) some regressions due to lack of testing. Aug 02 10:07:51 DocScrutinizer: i don't think that's needed, i still hope that guy from the ML will give me his. Aug 02 10:08:01 DocScrutinizer: probably it's the time i remind him of my existence. Aug 02 10:08:02 k Aug 02 10:08:39 high time to do so Aug 02 10:19:48 DocScrutinizer: if all decent LiIon batteries have an internal overtemperature protection, why do nokia phones care about thermistor presence? Aug 02 10:20:44 to reduce charging current to avoid overtemp or bat damage on charging high-I on too *low* temp Aug 02 10:22:20 DocScrutinizer: i'm trying to understand how mandotory that is. Aug 02 10:22:50 a nice-to-have Aug 02 10:23:11 U usually don't fastcharge at -30°C Aug 02 10:23:49 DocScrutinizer: because we can't control temp of a dumb battery on gta02 without hardware mods. And i think we don't pay any attention to the temperature while charging bq27k-enabled battery too. And i'm not sure current PMU setup on gta01 takes temperature into account. Aug 02 10:23:51 and bat shouldn't overheat on chage anyway. IF it does, bat internal emergency cutout kicks in Aug 02 10:24:38 PaulFertser: nevermind Aug 02 10:24:44 DocScrutinizer: ok. Aug 02 10:34:36 who knows, maybe this time next year well be able to buy an eestor capacitor to replace the gta01/02 battery :) Aug 02 10:37:49 very unlikely, as operating volage range for Neo is 3.5V..4.2V. For a capacitor with a linear capacity/voltage characteristic that would mean you can't use most of the energy the capacitor has stored Aug 02 10:38:17 The real reason is that you absolutely never want to charge a lithium battery that's hot - or bad stuff can happen. Aug 02 10:38:18 it would need a built in dc/dc Aug 02 10:38:27 3500V -> 4V Aug 02 10:38:41 I hope eestor manages to produce product cheaply. Aug 02 10:38:49 me too Aug 02 10:38:56 have you been following the news lately Aug 02 10:38:59 On the order of a tenth of the cost of current bats. Aug 02 10:39:00 nope Aug 02 10:39:08 an interview was leaked Aug 02 10:39:11 last looked at about 3 months ago Aug 02 10:39:52 they are supposedly close to going public Aug 02 10:42:05 Yeah - well there is public - and there is public as nanosolar is Aug 02 10:43:08 from memory, they said a prototype will be sent to Zenn october Aug 02 10:43:09 For example - they contract with a power company to supply them with 200GWh of storage - which soaks up the first several years of product. Aug 02 10:44:19 there was some info about the production lines required and apparently the gear is quite easy to get Aug 02 10:44:28 so scaling up production should be quite easy Aug 02 10:44:38 and is just a matter of adding more lines Aug 02 10:45:14 As I've said about lots of this stuff - I'll believe it when I can order it from digikey et al. Aug 02 10:45:21 hehe yeah Aug 02 10:46:42 SpeedEvil: do you know more precisely what "hot" means? Aug 02 10:47:39 SpeedEvil: here is the leaked info if you wann have a read http://theeestory.com/topics/2529 Aug 02 10:48:42 PaulFertser: no - it's something over 50C Aug 02 10:48:46 on charge Aug 02 10:49:01 PaulFertser: which can easily be gotten if you plug it in in a hot car Aug 02 10:49:05 there is also this patent which has an interesting circuit diagram for high voltage to low voltage http://theeestory.com/topics/2556 Aug 02 10:49:25 SpeedEvil: DocScrutinizer says all decent LiIon batteries have internal protection so we shouldn't worry. Aug 02 10:52:04 Psi: that looks like a pretty standard converter. Aug 02 10:53:13 i thought it was quite a nice design Aug 02 10:53:20 but yeah, i know its not new or anything Aug 02 10:53:51 just interesting that there are patents connecting to the eestor dcdc circuits too Aug 02 10:54:24 Oh - it's just series connecting to increase the Vds Aug 02 10:54:39 ya Aug 02 10:54:40 That should absolutely not be patentable IMO. Aug 02 10:54:56 99% of patents shouldnt be patentable :P Aug 02 10:55:02 yes. Aug 02 10:55:10 I'm going to patent the concept of patents Aug 02 10:55:14 heh Aug 02 10:55:39 * SpeedEvil has had a usenet post mentioned in a patent. Aug 02 10:55:45 * SpeedEvil is part of the problem. Aug 02 11:00:40 PaulFertser: yes - I at the moment have my head in stuff which is using raw cells - so I'm not thinking about protected cells. Aug 02 11:14:06 there we go, on reboot SHR does not ask for PIN :( Aug 02 11:16:48 Kero: it does, just stay patient and don't interfere with bootup early phase by user interaction Aug 02 11:20:49 how patient? first time it was quick enough. trying again... Aug 02 11:22:21 Kero: depends, I usually see pin dialog after a few minutes (<2 from X start) Aug 02 11:23:12 i'll wait 10 minutes, then I'l look at the debug log I'm making. Aug 02 11:24:22 Kero: another possibility is to go to SHR-settings Phone, and powercycle GSM-modem Aug 02 11:25:06 on recent versions of SHR/FSO this reliably triggers pin query (on gta02) Aug 02 11:25:17 i'll try that, too Aug 02 11:25:48 Kero: do I remeber correctly you're testing on a 1973? Aug 02 11:25:54 yes Aug 02 11:26:34 hmm, power management for gsm-modem differs from 02 to 01. I'm not that convinced it is bug-free on 01 Aug 02 11:27:24 got SHR of 7/3on SD now, can boot 5.5 still. Aug 02 11:28:21 this SHR on SD seems much more stable than anything I put on main flash ever. All Settings pop up fast, for instance. Aug 02 11:28:31 shr73 and fso55 shouldn't be a big diff for middleware. fso has older kernel AIUI Aug 02 11:28:40 yes Aug 02 11:29:07 gps/gllin does not seem to work at all. Still have to try calls and messages. Aug 02 11:30:26 well I guess mickeyl and PaulFertser are the right guys to nag with this class of bugs Aug 02 11:37:41 whole series of 2009.08.02 15:35:26.940 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR could not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds Aug 02 11:38:51 phone settings do not show up either. ?? Aug 02 11:49:27 cold boot worked (removing battery). Aug 02 11:54:30 Kero: that would be a really exciting news if it were different ;-P Aug 02 11:55:33 "" Neo Freerunner in unstoppable endless loop. Removing bat can't stop "" Aug 02 11:56:33 :) but would sure be nice if we can improve on warm reboots. Aug 02 11:56:48 I'd immediately start investigating how to even charge bat and power a second device from energy extracted somewhere near CPU-core voltage Aug 02 11:57:17 can we use the vibrating thingy to harvest energy? Aug 02 11:57:44 errrrrrrrrrrrr....................yes Aug 02 11:58:56 if we apply circular vibration of correct axis and freq and sufficient amplitude to device, and do a few hacks to GPIO and PMU management Aug 02 12:00:47 lol Aug 02 12:01:49 RSI? yes, I had to charge my phone. Aug 02 12:02:50 hm. hand crank charger. Aug 02 12:05:50 on warm reboot, can't access gsm; should I not reboot by typing halt in ssh? Aug 02 12:07:53 Kero: reboot doesn't reset gsm. Aug 02 12:08:22 on 01 gsm has "uninteruptiple power source" directly from bat Aug 02 12:09:34 mm, so gsm figures OS is still running and won't "accept" a new OS ? Aug 02 12:09:41 afaik only two ways to power down gsm are: remove bat, or send "AT@POFF" to modem *successfully* Aug 02 12:10:07 * SpeedEvil holds up his soldering iron, and axe. Aug 02 12:10:16 hehehe Aug 02 12:11:25 Kero: modem doesn't figure anything. it's hooked up to system via "dumb" tty and a "pushbutton" to start _only_ Aug 02 12:11:43 so startup sequence should be AT AT@POFF AT@PON ? (or does @POFF prevent @PON?) Aug 02 12:11:57 if @PON exists at all. Aug 02 12:12:05 Kero: doesn't Aug 02 12:13:06 and yes, probably on system boot we should take care to make sure modem is off. That's *rather* tricky though Aug 02 12:13:14 so how would you power up gsm after issuing AT@POFF ? Aug 02 12:13:46 as we don't want to force-powerup modem for a single purpose to send AT@POFF Aug 02 12:14:17 (powerup) aforementioned "pushbutton" (GPIO) Aug 02 12:18:08 Kero: refer to wikipage gsm-flashing. The generic method is based in gta01 powerswitching idiosyncrasies Aug 02 12:19:06 the "echo 1 >foo; sleep 1; echo 0 >foo" part Aug 02 12:20:05 myeah. Aug 02 12:22:06 a good bet is to send "AAT@POFF\n" to modem's tty twice Aug 02 12:27:36 the nasty detail is you never know if you don't get an "OK" answer via tty because of modem being actually off, or simply because tty locked up Aug 02 12:32:49 right. I think I revived gsm with power_on/gpio Aug 02 12:34:15 antenna remains off, tho. Aug 02 12:38:32 Kero: please don't get me started about "antenna". The most puzzling and braindead naming I ever seen Aug 02 12:39:43 I even thought this notorious "antenna" was gone in SHR long time ago Aug 02 12:39:43 restarting frameworkd, restart ophonekitd Aug 02 12:39:47 and it's working. Aug 02 12:41:26 Kero: please dicuss the details with mickeyl. I guess it's a problem of FSO (or maybe kernel, in which case PaulFertser is the one to talk to) Aug 02 12:42:37 the modem_power sysfs node seen a semantics change recently. Maybe this had side effects on GTA01 Aug 02 12:43:09 that is, after passing PIN I have access to the SIM, but it stoppe working again. Aug 02 12:43:12 gah. Aug 02 12:44:08 ophonekit died; and gsm is unresponsive again. I'll stick with cold reboots, I think :( Aug 02 12:44:10 hmm, so at least you can trace it down now to the very moment it stops, right? Aug 02 12:45:16 I'm sure mickey is interested in this. You should safe all relevant info (how-to-reproduce, logs, etc) Aug 02 12:46:17 I see the symptoms. Not sure I know the moment it stops. Aug 02 12:46:50 but I can change to DEBUG logging once more. Aug 02 12:47:23 so the AT commands are visible, and we may learn a bit more Aug 02 12:58:29 Kero: cool Aug 02 13:00:33 I just remember, with FSO 5.5 I have no problems with this. perhaps it's enough to trigger the right people :) Aug 02 13:03:45 hi Aug 02 13:04:35 Kero: are you using the latest gsm firmware? Aug 02 13:05:29 Kero: the kernel difference between FSO 5.5 demo image and SHR unstable means a lot, but it doesn't really explain odd behaviour. Aug 02 13:06:02 Kero: first of all, latest gsm firmware. Aug 02 13:06:10 yes, moko11 Aug 02 13:07:21 Kero: second, switch ogsmd to DEBUG, ensure you cold boot and harvest the logs. Aug 02 13:07:37 should (and can) I try SHR with 2.6.24 ? Aug 02 13:07:47 ok, can do. Aug 02 13:08:06 Kero: you can try SHR with 2.6.24 but i don't think it can help us moving forward. Aug 02 13:08:19 cold boot works, so I assume you want a warm boot log after that? Aug 02 13:08:42 ok Aug 02 13:09:19 Kero: ah, cold boot always works but what happens when it fails? Aug 02 13:09:51 Kero: or it fails only after reboot? Aug 02 13:10:16 Kero: in that case i'd say that it's FSO's fault, it doesn't send AT@POFF (but will soon). Aug 02 13:10:44 PaulFertser: my suspicion Aug 02 13:10:47 SHR fails only (and always) on reboot; FSO works 5.5 Aug 02 13:10:59 Kero: so you shouldn't reboot :D Aug 02 13:11:06 of course :) Aug 02 13:11:25 Kero: but the problem is lack of AT@POFF command. Please ask mickeyl to add it back. Aug 02 13:11:29 o you want FSO -> SHR and SHR -> FSO reboot sequences ? Aug 02 13:13:01 Kero: no Aug 02 13:13:16 Kero: AT@POFF must be there. It's still not afaik and that's a bug. Aug 02 13:13:26 should I try most recent SHR ? using 07/03 now. Aug 02 13:14:04 Kero: hm, not sure. Some of shr guys knows the answer better than me. Aug 02 13:14:20 Kero: you can do a trick to workaround the issue. Aug 02 13:14:47 what's the trick? Aug 02 13:15:04 what I tried so far was not satisfactory :) Aug 02 13:15:12 Kero: _after_ you turned off gsm (by killing ophonekitd) do "echo -ne AT@POFF\\rAT@POFF\\r > /dev/ttySAC0" Aug 02 13:16:43 that's after the warm reboot, I assume (just making sure) Aug 02 13:16:59 Kero: no Aug 02 13:17:26 Kero: you add this workaround to an appropriate script so this echo thing gets executed before turning the device off / rebooting. Aug 02 13:17:32 aha. Aug 02 13:17:42 Kero: but after killing ophonekitd and probably frameworkd. Aug 02 13:17:50 well, let me try that now. Aug 02 13:17:55 Kero: then you do cold boot so everything is working. Then you try to reboot. Aug 02 13:29:06 attempt one failed. Aug 02 13:29:33 but after warm reboot I managed to receive an incoming call with a bunch of commands, including that AT@POFF Aug 02 13:29:48 so the trick may indeed be "appropriate script" Aug 02 13:30:04 trying again... Aug 02 13:32:27 Kero: but you understand the issue and the idea, right? Aug 02 13:33:09 Kero: and it should still be fixed in frameworkd of course as it should be able to turn off the modem. Aug 02 13:34:15 yup. Aug 02 13:50:48 Psi: also - be very wary of believing 'leaked' stuff - that would tend to manipulate a companies stock price. Aug 02 13:53:19 duing boot I see udevzcat: no space left on device Aug 02 13:53:24 is that bad? Aug 02 14:06:11 can't get a warm reboot to work, still. Aug 02 14:26:37 *grin* GSM 6.10 wav files not played by SHR ? Aug 02 14:57:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r46139366f8ea 10/libfsobasics/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Aug 02 14:57:35 freesmartphone.org: libfsobasics: logger: new API Logger.createFromKeyFile( SmartKeyFile smk, string domain) to create a logger Aug 02 14:57:35 freesmartphone.org: from an entry in a configuration file Aug 02 15:02:44 does SHR need gllin? or is fso-gpsd sufficient? Aug 02 15:04:36 needless to say, gllin 1.1 won't work (segfaults, I think ldlinux.so.3 vs ldlinux.so.2 is not cooperative) Aug 02 15:10:09 Kero: gllin is mandatory for gps on gta01 :( Aug 02 15:17:20 and how do I get it running on SHR? or do I need to wait for anoher release of this proprietry package? Aug 02 15:18:24 Kero: no chance to get a new version of proprietary package. And anyway you need OABI userspace to run it, so just run in chroot, i think SHR guys package it exactly like that. Aug 02 15:21:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r02db0e7d61c4 10/libfsoframework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libfsoframework: catch up with libfsobasics API addition Aug 02 15:23:57 they packaged it? where? Aug 02 15:26:40 Kero: i think it should be in the feeds. Aug 02 15:28:35 gpsd says I should install gllin from 3rdparty.downloads, even when it is already installed. Aug 02 15:29:03 Kero: gpsd? Aug 02 15:29:07 Kero: or fso-gpsd? Aug 02 15:29:13 Kero: where does it say that? Aug 02 15:29:48 gps-hardware called by gpsd script Aug 02 15:30:01 it wants gllin 1.0 Aug 02 15:32:52 looking in /home/root, where 1.0 is, but 1.1 is installed in / I don't believe that's going to help one bit. Aug 02 15:33:02 Kero: what's gpsd script? Why do you use it? Aug 02 15:33:54 wiki page suggesting so Aug 02 15:34:08 Kero: it's most probably wrong Aug 02 15:34:18 Kero: or inaccurate Aug 02 15:36:16 either way, gllin seems only packaged in 3rdparty.downloads, and neither 1.0 nor 1.1 runs. Aug 02 15:36:28 if you know of another place where it's packaged, please tell me. Aug 02 15:36:51 Kero: ok, wait a moment Aug 02 15:47:49 Kero: hm, right, it looks like SHR doesn't package it. Aug 02 15:48:11 Kero: but i know for sure there exists some sane packaging that is SHR-compatible. Aug 02 15:48:31 Kero: have you checked shr-wiki? Aug 02 15:49:09 it's getting worse,, om.py that should do some things, mentions GTA02Device only. Aug 02 15:49:15 i'll check that wiki, too. Aug 02 15:49:20 google does not really help. Aug 02 15:52:55 very cryptic: http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/268 Aug 02 15:54:30 SpeedEvil: can you please review this: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/battery_q_and_a.txt Aug 02 15:54:34 Others are welcome too! Aug 02 15:55:42 k Aug 02 15:56:22 Kero: you're not interested in gpsd Aug 02 15:56:47 Kero: you want gllin work with ogpsd Aug 02 15:59:49 A: LiIon batteries don't like to be kept fully charged, so the charger stops as soon as charging current becomes less than threshold. This does not mean the battery is being discharged - simply not charged anymore. Aug 02 15:59:59 Kero: http://totalueberwachung.de/blog/2008/10/10/gps-on-gta01 Aug 02 16:00:39 PaulFertser: I can't see any obvious stupid errors Aug 02 16:03:29 PaulFertser: that should really be put to kernel Documentation directory :) Aug 02 16:04:01 SpeedEvil: ok i'll add a note that it will be discharged if GSM is on. Aug 02 16:04:19 SpeedEvil: thanks for the review. :D Aug 02 16:04:33 lindi-: hehe :) Aug 02 16:08:27 Added another question: Aug 02 16:08:27 Q: I have several compatible batteries. What are the storage Aug 02 16:08:27 requirements for them? Aug 02 16:08:27 A: Keep in a dry cool place charged to no more than 75%. Aug 02 16:09:14 PaulFertser: erm. that states it should just work. it doesn't. I can't get /dev/ttySAC1 to produce a single byte of info. Aug 02 16:09:48 Kero: why do you think that cat /dev/ttySAC1 should work with gllin? Aug 02 16:10:09 tango does not see anything either. Aug 02 16:10:48 probably because I have such a /dev entry? Aug 02 16:11:05 Kero: tango needs fso-gpsd emulation which will communicate with ogpsd. I recommend to use ogpsd directly, i think some SHR app can do that. Aug 02 16:12:02 Kero: and to look at frameworkd logs. Aug 02 16:12:04 and still, I can not get `ps ax | grep gllin` to show any gllin running. Aug 02 16:14:51 Kero: do you understand any programming language? Aug 02 16:15:02 Kero: if yes, you just read ogpsd source which is python. Aug 02 16:18:49 should be able to read that. Aug 02 16:23:29 Kero: i'm a c programmer but i easily understand frameworkd sources, so go ahead. Probably it's the fastest way to get everthing working. Aug 02 16:31:33 gllinchannel tries to start /etc/init.d/gllin. which I have in gllin 1.1 package, but segfaults. Aug 02 16:32:43 i'll have to see that that's actually the channel used. Aug 02 16:35:14 openmoko: 03werner * r5367 10/developers/werner/fped/ (14 files): (log message trimmed) Aug 02 16:35:14 openmoko: - the current frame is now drawn on top of the current items, to emphasize Aug 02 16:35:14 openmoko: access to the frame's origin Aug 02 16:35:14 openmoko: - measurement text is now scaled to the size of the arrow Aug 02 16:35:14 openmoko: - pad names are now shown on canvas Aug 02 16:35:15 openmoko: - added eval_unit for the various distance expressions in obj.c Aug 02 16:35:19 openmoko: - silk screen items now have an optional width Aug 02 17:24:26 hi. my freerunner with om2008 became somewhat reluctant with showing up (in dmesg) as a usb device when connecting it to my desktop. (it only sometimes shows up and needs quite some time at that.) anyone any idea for a workaround or how to find the exact fault? Aug 02 17:25:27 Amorphous: what did you change? Aug 02 17:25:49 Amorphous: does it show up immediately when u-boot is running? Aug 02 17:27:07 lindi-, i think a) desktop debian oldstable->stable distry upgrade + 2.6.30 kernel b) om2008 upgrade but i'm not really sure if any of those are at fault, because i only recently noticed it Aug 02 17:27:25 Amorphous: got backups? Aug 02 17:27:38 also i already could observe the same problem on other desktops Aug 02 17:28:37 lindi-, what use would a backup be in this case? Aug 02 17:28:56 * Amorphous is trying with u-boot Aug 02 17:29:34 Amorphous: you could test with old version to verify it is a regression Aug 02 17:30:48 no i don't think i have a recent enough backup of the full system. Aug 02 17:31:59 Amorphous: any old backup will do Aug 02 17:32:49 lindi-, the nor u-boot has the same problem Aug 02 17:33:06 it should connect directly after starting, right? Aug 02 17:33:14 without me needing to select anything? Aug 02 17:33:44 (it's too long since i last flashed my neo, so i forgot...) Aug 02 17:36:11 do you know where I can find a flashable NOR image for FR A5 Aug 02 17:36:29 You have a debug board? Aug 02 17:36:58 no, but I'll either buy one or hack my FR's board Aug 02 17:37:28 short the NOR WP pin to ground Aug 02 17:37:28 Amorphous: it should Aug 02 17:37:33 Amorphous: broken cable? Aug 02 17:37:43 mh... Aug 02 17:37:55 Amorphous: broken desktop configuration? Aug 02 17:38:02 Amorphous: those are pretty much the only options Aug 02 17:38:04 or broken freerunner hw Aug 02 17:38:22 zfiwhy: Aug 02 17:39:27 broken desktop would mean that the problem also exists in ubuntu lts, debian stable and over at least 2 different kernel versions Aug 02 17:39:46 * Amorphous wonders how to check if this cable is broken Aug 02 17:39:50 hammer Aug 02 17:41:37 lindi-, the interesting thing is that it reliably starts charging from usb Aug 02 17:42:00 my NOR came blank so I need an image to flash it Aug 02 17:43:44 zlfita: still can't find the image? Aug 02 17:44:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r74528d0cdab7 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/ (fsobasics-2.0.vapi logger.vala smartkeyfile.vala): libfsobasics: logger: add missing reprdelegate for syslog logger Aug 02 17:45:17 PaulFertser: everything points back to the wiki page with the broken link Aug 02 17:45:41 zlfita: hm, let me try... Aug 02 17:45:48 myabe some helpful lad can dd /dev/nor > img for me Aug 02 17:46:27 zlfita: ha, it's fairly easy then Aug 02 17:48:44 zlfita: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/gta02/nor-uboot.img Aug 02 17:50:01 PaulFertser: thanks pal, I'll try ass soon as possible Aug 02 17:50:22 oops, typo Aug 02 17:50:24 zlfita: hehe Aug 02 17:50:28 I'd not recommend trying ass Aug 02 17:50:32 Though... Aug 02 17:50:38 Probably you'll like it, who knows. Aug 02 17:50:47 zlfita: do you have a dboard? Aug 02 17:51:03 no, I might buy one Aug 02 17:51:17 zlfita: there's no need to buy a dboard if you want to simply flash NOR. Aug 02 17:51:34 I know, we talked on mailig list Aug 02 17:51:48 zlfita: so that was you :) Aug 02 17:51:51 zlfita: nice to meet you Aug 02 17:52:07 zlfita: why are you still considering buying a devboard? To debug other arm stuff? Aug 02 17:52:29 zlfita: beware, more and more arm boards use lower voltage, and our dboard is 3.3V only iirc. Aug 02 17:53:01 PaulFertser: nice to meet you too. I'm planning to start playing some embedded devices Aug 02 17:53:27 PaulFertser: an OM dboard seems like a good generel purpose device Aug 02 17:53:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r56106d5728ce 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): require libfsobasics and start converting all debug output to FSO logger Aug 02 17:54:05 zlfita: hm, it's simply a double USB<->UART/GPIO converter Aug 02 17:54:16 PaulFertser: like my mighty-easy-to-brick gp2x Aug 02 17:55:04 PaulFertser: I know, but I also need to falsh my nor. now if I can succesfully hack my board, I won't probably buy it Aug 02 17:55:06 zlfita: you can buy FT232RQ for $5 and solder it yourself. You'll get 8 GPIO lines controllable over usb. Or a real UART port if you want it. Aug 02 17:56:25 PaulFertser: thanks again for the tip, now I'll look for a suitable gnd point and try to solder a wire without screwing anything up Aug 02 17:56:40 not now but as soon as I have time and access to the lab Aug 02 17:57:13 zlfita: do not overheat the TP :) Aug 02 17:58:00 PaulFertser: I usually suck at soldering so will try to be extremely careful Aug 02 17:58:16 or throw €300 to garbage Aug 02 17:59:08 zlfita: hehe. When you want to try to solder FT232R it'll be even harder, ~0.7mm between pins ;) Aug 02 18:00:36 PaulFertser: damn, but anyway, I need to learn this sh*t, even with my DEX score of 3 Aug 02 18:05:49 zlfita: what's dex score? Aug 02 18:06:30 PaulFertser: sorry, just a reference to roleplaying games, dex for dexterity Aug 02 18:10:12 http://b3ta.com/questions/mobiles/post494464 genius Aug 02 18:11:16 SpeedEvil: rofl Aug 02 18:12:25 SpeedEvil: every single of them deserved it, hehe Aug 02 18:14:21 zlfita: i once managed to switch random mp3 player i borrowed from my chinese classmate to english. Wasn't that hard :) Aug 02 18:15:19 idiots. it's written in the hoax itself how to reset the language, isn't it? just do the steps more slowly until you reach a list to select whatever lang you like Aug 02 18:16:16 PaulFertser: no, I actually I used to use my old cell in Spanish(I'm turkish) just to freak others out Aug 02 18:16:16 DocScrutinizer: do you read community? Wolfgang asks whether they should go for CC in the next model of their nanonote or whatever it called. Aug 02 18:16:51 hmm, don't get it. Aug 02 18:17:16 DocScrutinizer: they're currently using a dumb battery Aug 02 18:17:32 DocScrutinizer: but they consider adding a CC in the next revision. He asks whether it worth it. Aug 02 18:18:38 hah, I'm not particualrly interested in that, as long as Wolfgang isn't interested in my contribution Aug 02 18:19:24 DocScrutinizer: yeah, i perfectly understand that. Aug 02 18:20:11 DocScrutinizer: i think they should just contact you in PM and make an offer. Aug 02 18:20:22 So yes, i not only understand but also agree. Aug 02 18:20:55 I offered contribution on a regular formal basis yesterday, unpaid for now as Wolf claimed there's no money. No reaction til now Aug 02 18:24:15 PaulFertser: and Freerunner was fun in the beginning, so I got myself involved on ML. Nanonote is rather boring to me Aug 02 18:25:25 DocScrutinizer: do not they plan on seriously evolving hardware? Aug 02 18:26:11 dunno Aug 02 18:26:33 Well, let's see how it turns out... Aug 02 18:27:26 I personally don't see the benefit of charge metering for something that's rarely getting its battery changed. Aug 02 18:27:52 Do it in software - and save the $1/battery or so Aug 02 18:28:37 SpeedEvil: but all advanced device have advanced hardware battery meters. Aug 02 18:30:03 Sure. Aug 02 18:30:43 It makes the battery driver writing lots easier. Aug 02 18:31:19 do that in mainboard hw anyway. As there's more benefit in a widely common bat formfactor than in a smart introspective proprietary bat Aug 02 18:32:17 SpeedEvil's first comment was to the point Aug 02 18:34:29 Though there is the alternate option of designing it so you can install a charge meter, or leave it out, and if the software meter is OK - or develops OK - you leave it out. Aug 02 18:34:37 hi, i'm trying to use gllin with milestone 5.5 image for gta01... when probably isn't found some libraries because gllin application go to segfault Aug 02 18:35:01 with strace i see this: writev(2, [{"/usr/share/gllin/bin/gllin", 26}, {": ", 2}, {"error while loading shared libraries", 36}, {": ", 2}, {"/usr/share/gllin/bin/gllin", 26}, {": ", 2}, {"cannot open shared object file", 30}, {": ", 2}, {"Error 4", 7}, {"\n", 1}], 10) = 2 Aug 02 18:35:43 but i haven't ldd and i can't see what is library lost, any idea? Aug 02 18:36:14 back in the mists of time, gllin used to be loaded in a chroot I think. Aug 02 18:36:26 maybe tha'td work. Aug 02 18:43:48 geaaru: strange, I get that on SHR, but it works for me on FSO 5.5 (yes, gta01) Aug 02 18:45:09 the "library" is /usr/share/gllin/bin/gllin itself Aug 02 18:48:32 $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./lib ldd bin/gllin Aug 02 18:48:33 /bin/sh: relocation error: /bin/sh: symbol __gnu_Unwind_Find_exidx, version GLIBC_2.4 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference Aug 02 18:49:15 that's the first useful debug output that I see. Aug 02 18:54:16 MUUUHAAHAAAAAA, iPhone 3GS now with COPY&PASTE Aug 02 18:54:39 increeeeeeeeeeeedible Aug 02 18:57:31 http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/holy_shit_iphone2.gif Aug 02 19:02:19 ah, no. that's for ldd itself :( Aug 02 19:42:27 openmoko: 03werner * r5368 10/developers/werner/fped/ (coord.c fpd.y inst.c obj.c obj.h): Aug 02 19:42:27 openmoko: - widths can now be edited Aug 02 19:42:27 openmoko: - when selecting a measurement, the offset is now shown in the name field Aug 02 19:42:27 openmoko: - fixed integer overflow in dist_line_xy Aug 02 19:43:04 the nokia n97 doesn't look half bad Aug 02 19:45:07 here i come... i haven't ldd Aug 02 19:45:15 once you nix symbian and install something normal on it Aug 02 19:46:32 Kero: could be a problem with kernel? because i use kernel 2.6.29 with fso 5.5 because 2.6.24 doesn't start from sd Aug 02 19:46:54 where i can found a ipkg for ldd to install manually ? Aug 02 19:46:58 is there? Aug 02 19:54:50 geaaru: could be. 2.6.29-rc3 on SHR for me. Aug 02 19:55:48 ah k, thanks.. it's strange Aug 02 19:55:57 I should be able to boot 2.6.24 on SHR in order to confirm Aug 02 19:56:35 Kero: can you do "zgrep OABI /proc/config.gz" Aug 02 19:56:38 Kero: please Aug 02 19:57:21 geaaru: or you Aug 02 19:57:38 There was a problem with SHR that the kernels had OABI compatibility disabled. Aug 02 19:58:02 i haven't zgrep ... with grep instead no matching Aug 02 19:58:41 geaaru: grep is not ok. You need zcat /proc/config.gz | grep OABI Aug 02 19:59:01 geaaru: and if you lack zcat, you need to gzip -dc /proc/config.gz | grep OABI iirc. Aug 02 19:59:06 zcat /proc/config.gz | grep OABI Aug 02 19:59:06 # CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT is not set Aug 02 19:59:17 ldd - 2.6.1-r16 - glibc: print shared library dependencies Aug 02 19:59:25 `opkg install ldd` Aug 02 19:59:32 should do it no? Aug 02 19:59:49 geaaru: that sucks :( Aug 02 19:59:59 :'( Aug 02 20:00:14 geaaru: wait, i'll ask shr guys ;) Aug 02 20:00:28 thanks Aug 02 20:00:41 geaaru: have you run opkg update/upgrade since you installed the image? Aug 02 20:01:10 ndnihil: can you supply me repository url? i have installed default milestone5 url from rootfs image Aug 02 20:01:19 zgrep? Aug 02 20:01:26 ah, this is from shr-unstable repo Aug 02 20:01:33 DocScrutinizer: yes, there's a tool to grep in gzipped images ;) Aug 02 20:01:47 geaaru: you mean that you use FSO5.5? Aug 02 20:01:51 yes Aug 02 20:01:51 geaaru: demo image? Aug 02 20:01:57 geaaru: hm, no support for that one Aug 02 20:02:04 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ Aug 02 20:02:11 geaaru: also it uses 2.6.24 for gta01 which is not supported too. Aug 02 20:02:16 better than zcat|grep maybe ;) Aug 02 20:02:51 Kero: the result of the command with .29 is still worth obtaining. Aug 02 20:02:53 yes, i know, in fact i use kernel 2.6.29 from shr image, because 2.6.24 doesn't support boot from sd Aug 02 20:03:00 geaaru: ah Aug 02 20:03:04 geaaru: i'll bug shr guys then Aug 02 20:03:21 uname -a Aug 02 20:03:21 Linux om-gta01 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jul 3 17:49:20 CEST 2009 armv4tl unknown Aug 02 20:03:55 did you install the matching modules? Aug 02 20:04:07 ndnihil: he lacks OABI, modules can't help here Aug 02 20:04:11 oh Aug 02 20:04:16 sorry, I just woke up :) Aug 02 20:05:35 another thing, on my gta01 i have a bad bad bug, when i use gsm and before i called normal shutdown function gsm doesn't work Aug 02 20:06:03 it's work only when i open my gta01 and removed battery before restart Aug 02 20:06:04 PaulFertser: will try later Aug 02 20:06:40 geaaru: 3 Jul? Aug 02 20:06:47 geaaru: try the today's kernel Aug 02 20:07:27 geaaru: (gsm) frameworkd bug, will be fixed soon. Aug 02 20:07:53 frameworkd bug from shr image? or fso? Aug 02 20:08:35 geaaru: doesn't matter, SHR uses fso. Aug 02 20:09:24 confirmed, with kernel 2.6.24 gllin works. Aug 02 20:09:46 ah k, but i can't update my fso image or i can't... i haven't repository url set correctly with fso 5.5 Aug 02 20:10:18 Kero: just update the kernel to the latest unstable (today's) Aug 02 20:10:40 Kero: 12.7. mrmoku sent the mail that its fixed Aug 02 20:10:56 Kero: so it is fixed, you just lack a modern enough kernel Aug 02 20:11:10 geaaru: you better use SHR, fso image is _demo_. Aug 02 20:11:18 aha. so I just need a more recent 2.6.29 kernel. Aug 02 20:12:06 been trying too many strace, ldd and whatever incantations that showed nothing, turns out I need another kernel. What's the bug or at least what's the fix? Aug 02 20:12:15 k, i will go to shr image... thank you very much for support... can i update kernel to flash from gta01 shell? how can i do that? Aug 02 20:12:36 oabi iguess Aug 02 20:12:39 Kero: the fix is to enable OABI in kernel config... It got disabled by misfortune. Aug 02 20:12:53 is there a pyqt package for fso anywhere? I'm trying to install auimd on top of fso-console, and I want to know if it's possible... Aug 02 20:13:24 geaaru: yes, you can Aug 02 20:13:36 geaaru: but you can as well fuck up your u-boot if you use the wrong mtd partition ;) Aug 02 20:14:26 k, i will use standard dfu-util mode :) Aug 02 20:14:53 what is the difference between A7 and A6+Buzz fix? Aug 02 20:15:21 it would be better for me to buy the A7 or the A6+Buzz fix? Aug 02 20:15:53 I know a7 has the buzzfix, so just get a7 if they're the same price Aug 02 20:16:21 they're not Aug 02 20:16:31 A7 is 100$ more Aug 02 20:16:51 wow, I dunno what the difference is Aug 02 20:17:12 I have a5+buzzfix and it works fine Aug 02 20:17:56 Ddorda: no difference Aug 02 20:18:09 PaulFertser: not at all? Aug 02 20:18:52 Ddorda: there might be some slight irrelevant differences. Aug 02 20:19:03 yeah, I doubt it's worth $100 Aug 02 20:19:30 Ddorda: e.g. my A6 doesn't have useless caps in the earpiece path and all A7s do have them. Aug 02 20:19:41 PaulFertser: which mail, or which feed is that kernel in? ipkg upgrade gives me the kernel I already have (md5sum matches) Aug 02 20:19:49 Kero: are you on unstable? Aug 02 20:20:01 useless caps in the earpiece path? Aug 02 20:20:10 PaulFertser: yeah Aug 02 20:20:39 Kero: take a look here: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01/ Aug 02 20:20:54 Ddorda: yes, unneed caps that just lower the sound volume. Aug 02 20:21:43 PaulFertser: okay, thanks! Aug 02 20:24:01 kernel upgraded :) Aug 02 20:24:03 zcat /proc/config.gz | grep OABI Aug 02 20:24:04 CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT=y Aug 02 20:24:52 geaaru: kewl Aug 02 20:25:28 it is normal? gllin: early exit(3) in halInit()/681 Aug 02 20:26:01 geaaru: hm, i don't remember, that sounds like some known issue... Probably even harmless. Aug 02 20:26:14 PaulFertser: too obvious a place :) Aug 02 20:26:20 geaaru: yeah, does that for me too Aug 02 20:26:21 IIRC rerunning it again will make it work - gllin Aug 02 20:27:27 Kero: geaaru: you'd listen to SpeedEvil, he's the guy who actually used gllin, unlike me. ;) Aug 02 20:27:29 SpeedEvil: gllin 1.0 ran twice, indeed. don't think 1.1 does that, but despite the exit, it keeps going? Aug 02 20:27:46 Kero: k Aug 02 20:28:51 Kero: got Ur mail. Could you attach complete logs for both cases please - the problem might start much earlier with framework possibly doing different init for the 2 SIMs Aug 02 20:28:56 i rerunning /etc/init.d/gllin script but no changes...only changes on test_cmd_receive_count counter Aug 02 20:29:37 off we go, Settings window Manual + On and I see stuff. Aug 02 20:29:40 Kero: I.E. some config command may fail on one of the SIMs Aug 02 20:29:50 geaaru: it should run in the background, then you just use GPS Aug 02 20:31:10 DocScrutinizer: original mail to om.org bounced, that's why you only got it today, sorry. I actually have both logs still. Aug 02 20:32:01 yes, i'm on zhone interface... but i haven't fix Aug 02 20:32:09 whoa, I have GPS fix indoors! I had huge trouble getting 3 satellites with FSO 5.5 today, in the park. You'd wonder if something else got fixed with kernel 24->29 Aug 02 20:32:51 i try to go out... be right back Aug 02 20:32:53 :) Aug 02 20:33:26 Kero: unlikely, probably it's just that chip new almanac already from your previous attempts. Aug 02 20:33:33 knew Aug 02 20:35:39 possibly. I'm slightly sceptic about that, as I haven't been outside since I list tried FSO5.5 when it hardly had 2 sats on my balcony, and now I have 5 inside. Aug 02 20:36:16 Kero: do you have percentages in your battery gadget? Aug 02 20:36:19 but I don't care. it works now. and I even understand why (though I'd love to have nicer error messages from ld-linux) Aug 02 20:36:33 so be happy. Sats don't lie ;-) Aug 02 20:36:37 PaulFertser: nope no /sys/class/sthing/bat/capacity Aug 02 20:36:38 Kero: btw, since you upgraded the kernel, don't forget to update the modules from the tarball! Aug 02 20:36:54 or actally. new kernel. Aug 02 20:37:05 Kero: new kernel, exactly Aug 02 20:37:14 it does. 100% should be correct. Aug 02 20:37:14 Kero: should include my patches :) Aug 02 20:37:19 been charging all day. Aug 02 20:37:42 oh, charge_full Aug 02 20:37:56 and charge_now Aug 02 20:37:57 Kero: i needed to add that to make E batget happy :( Aug 02 20:38:17 battery does not provide it? Aug 02 20:38:37 Kero: charge_full is fake constant (corresponding to old models of bl-5c). Aug 02 20:38:43 * Kero does not know enough about what vlues batteries provide these days. Aug 02 20:38:44 bat doesn't provide anything except energy for 01 Aug 02 20:38:59 Kero: please see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers Aug 02 20:39:09 only done a mapping of A/D converted voltage to a percentage on iPaq, loooong time ago Aug 02 20:39:13 *grin* Aug 02 20:39:28 * PaulFertser was waiting for this time where he can easily pass a link without answering the same questions again and again :D Aug 02 20:39:46 hehe Aug 02 20:40:29 that looong time, when /proc/apm was the only availble thing. says -1% on my Neo, tsk :) Aug 02 20:40:34 * DocScrutinizer considering a "links" section on wiki/user:joerg Aug 02 20:40:36 Now shower and then writing a page about FSO resources. Aug 02 20:40:47 coooooooooool Aug 02 20:41:35 please don't miss to request lsar (ls-allocated-resources) tool ;-) Aug 02 20:41:50 * DocScrutinizer shower as well Aug 02 20:51:50 DocScrutinizer: you got the logs. Aug 02 20:53:19 what means (from dmesg): rxerr: port=1 ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000e ? Aug 02 20:56:05 frame/parity error on port1 tty, I'd guess Aug 02 20:57:12 or, more likely, break detected as ch=0 (wild guessing) Aug 02 21:02:16 break condition is commonly triggered on peripheral device powered down (data pulled low for extended period) Aug 02 21:04:41 it really starts gllin automatically. nice! Aug 02 21:12:54 Kero: yup, it does :-) Aug 02 21:13:59 Kero: What are you using? Aug 02 21:14:27 alphaone: SHR unstable Aug 02 21:14:54 alphaone: what about fixing that little bug with ogsmd not sending AT@POFF on closing? ;) Aug 02 21:15:00 alphaone: gta01 really needs that. Aug 02 21:19:04 alphaone: all 3 lines PaulFertser just said! Aug 02 21:19:32 I've been harassing him and DocScrutinizer for the entire weekend :) but making good progress thanks to them. Aug 02 21:21:42 Kero: fyi alphaone is the guy whose blog you read. Aug 02 21:22:26 Hi all. Is this the right place to ask for help about installing android on my freerunner? Aug 02 21:22:53 feugan3333: no, you'll got laughed at and publically humilated. Aug 02 21:22:55 right, but #freerunner-android much better Aug 02 21:23:08 (or #android-freerunner) Aug 02 21:23:09 Ah, ok thanks Aug 02 21:23:21 feugan3333: The other way around we'd help you :-) Aug 02 21:23:34 Installing SHR on the HTC Dream Aug 02 21:23:56 Ah :) Wish I had one of those. Aug 02 21:24:09 alphaone: is there any progress to get at least GSM calls working? Aug 02 21:24:22 feugan3333: you wished you had that shit? OMFG Aug 02 21:25:00 alphaone: i've read sound driver sources and it seems that a little kernel calls tracing while android is running is pretty much enough to get at least sound going. Aug 02 21:25:16 PaulFertser: I read that as well Aug 02 21:25:32 PaulFertser, What's wrong with it? Aug 02 21:25:44 Haven't really done anything beyond putting a gta02 image on the dream yet, though Aug 02 21:25:53 Tomorrow some hacking with stefan Aug 02 21:28:05 feugan3333: with wanting to have a fucked up closed on purpose requiring proprietary binaries device? Nothing, really. Aug 02 21:28:53 PaulFertser: the entry that is entirely correct now that I have a kernel with oabi, you mean ;) Aug 02 21:29:17 Kero: yeah Aug 02 21:29:57 PaulFertser, but the device can run Android which is mostly open. Is it not? Aug 02 21:30:31 feugan3333: it is mostly open but needs some very closed parts to be actually usable on HTC Dream. Aug 02 21:30:48 feugan3333: also you need quite some dirty tricks to become root. Aug 02 21:31:05 PaulFertser, Ok, I see Aug 02 21:31:28 PaulFertser, It's a bit evil of google :) Aug 02 21:32:19 feugan3333: and of telecom companies too. Aug 02 21:32:51 PaulFertser, Agreed Aug 02 21:46:50 alphaone: earlier today I could read your blog. Now I have DNS troubles. totalueberwachung.de, right? Aug 02 21:47:18 Kero: Yeah, I'm just noticing it as well Aug 02 21:48:32 Kero: Should work again Aug 02 21:49:10 indeed. Aug 02 22:00:14 Kero: " earlier today I could read your blog. Now I have DNS troubles." <-- looks like an accustation ;) Aug 02 22:02:12 Now everyone who asks "omg i installed SHR it's so cool but where my eth0 disappered, how to enable wifi?" will be sent to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources Aug 02 22:02:37 ;D Aug 02 22:05:32 that will be 3 or more times a day Aug 02 22:05:33 :) Aug 02 22:05:56 Any suggestions on what I'd need to alter to have Mer running using multiple partitions (got one for /boot, one for /, one for /home, and one for swap) Aug 02 22:06:20 I've edited /etc/fstab so far, made adjustments so qi can see the kernel in /boot as well. Aug 02 22:06:44 azaghal: why so many partitions? Aug 02 22:07:10 Well, basically, I want data seprated from installation. Aug 02 22:07:19 As for /boot, thought it was a good idea at the time. Aug 02 22:07:36 That's on an 8GB uSD card too, so it has plenty of space. Aug 02 22:07:38 azaghal: and swap? Aug 02 22:07:52 tobii_: i hope you'll help me Aug 02 22:08:04 Just in case :) Aug 02 22:08:17 azaghal: i mean you can have swap file too Aug 02 22:08:19 And for possible hibernate. Aug 02 22:08:33 I'm used to having swap on separate partition, to be honest. Aug 02 22:08:44 has anybody ever done hibernate on freerunner btw? ;) Aug 02 22:09:16 there might be some bugs lurking around Aug 02 22:09:51 No idea, but I might try it at some point. Using the shr on flash image as a phone, and testing the uSD (I'll probably settle for Debian with LXDE on it in the end) Aug 02 22:10:19 Ddorda: e.g. my A6 doesn't have useless caps in the earpiece path and all A7s do have them. Aug 02 22:10:36 PaulFertser, when you wrote caps you meant capacitors, right? Aug 02 22:10:43 TAsn: yes Aug 02 22:10:58 was just making sure. Aug 02 22:11:37 Ah... Might need the root= kernel :P Aug 02 22:11:39 I forgot. Aug 02 22:12:01 PaulFertser, so there's no such thing as buzz fix? Aug 02 22:13:03 TAsn: caps in the earpiece path are completely unrelated to the buzzfix. They were in some A5 models, then disapperead for some A6, then reappeared for some A7 :-/ Aug 02 22:13:17 lol ;\ Aug 02 22:13:19 lol Aug 02 22:13:33 How's that 48h -> 148h patch going, btw? Aug 02 22:13:37 TAsn: to answer your question: no, there's such a thing as buzzfix, ultimately useful. A7 has it factory-made. Aug 02 22:13:50 azaghal: please clarify Aug 02 22:14:05 The hardware fix which is supposed to solve the deep sleep issues of GSM? Aug 02 22:14:23 azaghal: it's fine. 100% successful reports with that. Aug 02 22:14:56 Great. Good thing we've got some skillful people in company I work at to apply it :) Aug 02 22:15:24 azaghal: be careful dismounting the can. Aug 02 22:15:33 Can? Aug 02 22:15:40 azaghal: shield Aug 02 22:15:53 azaghal: and find some nice 22uF 0805 ceramic capacitor. Aug 02 22:16:02 Thanks Aug 02 22:16:07 Will do Aug 02 22:16:16 PaulFertser: You got it applied on yours as well? Aug 02 22:16:45 azaghal: yes, actually alphaone did the soldering. Aug 02 22:16:52 PaulFertser, thanks. Aug 02 22:17:23 PaulFertser: So what's your standby time and working time now? Aug 02 22:17:38 If I got it correctly deep sleep will save power even when device is normally working? Aug 02 22:17:45 azaghal: i've never measured, that's my only cellphone. Aug 02 22:17:50 Ah :) Aug 02 22:18:10 azaghal: when device is working the benefits of deep sleep are neglegible. Aug 02 22:18:23 I see. Aug 02 22:21:16 Hm... I like Mer's setup-on-first-boot thing. Aug 02 22:25:23 openmoko: 03daveb * r5369 10/trunk/gta02-core/io.sch: more vibrator cleanup Aug 02 22:34:27 hur hur, cleaning the vibrator...what'd you use it for? Aug 02 23:07:10 Hi, I have installed newest testing, and I am experiencing that my /media/card is mounted as read-only is this normal? Aug 02 23:23:23 SpeedEvil: re : leaked info. yeah Aug 02 23:23:58 i have pondered getting some stock but its pretty annoying what you have to go through when outside the usa Aug 02 23:29:34 yeah Aug 02 23:30:47 Also - hte prices they're claiming (not costs) - $100/KWh - at that price - I'd be buying 4KWh - and load-shifting using cheap night-rate electricity. Aug 02 23:31:09 Which'd also give a pretty good UPS :) Aug 03 00:01:28 No one got a clue why I get /media/card and /home/root mounted as a read-only file system on om2009 testing? Aug 03 00:02:03 I have tried to google to see if anyone else got the same problems. But I cannot seem to find any. Aug 03 00:02:24 I haven't done anything to my image except flashing it Aug 03 00:17:23 I seemed to be able to fix it by manually editing the fstab. Aug 03 01:45:51 what do I do when tar says I can't mknod file when I try to extract it to the sd card? I'm extracting as root straight from the tar.gz to the sd card Aug 03 01:48:04 onto what format filesystm Aug 03 01:48:20 ext3 Aug 03 02:39:54 DocScrutinizer: I just wanted to say thanks for answering all those questions the other day my freerunner is on the way and I can't wait **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 03 02:59:57 2009