**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 03 02:59:57 2009
Aug 03 04:14:28 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03rehar * r5370 10/trunk/gta02-core/STATUS: review of BT/WLAN
Aug 03 06:38:38 <Kero> So I do have plenty of battery after one night in suspend... but also WSOD? nasty.
Aug 03 06:47:50 <PaulFertser> Kero: WSOD on gta01?
Aug 03 06:48:22 <PaulFertser> Kero: are you sure that's exactly WSOD? Do you able to connect via ssh?
Aug 03 07:00:16 <Kero> I'm barely awake; yes, looks like I can ssh. WS then, without OD.
Aug 03 07:24:44 <methril|work> morning
Aug 03 07:45:11 <badcloud> 'ning
Aug 03 08:21:03 <DocScrutinizer> mooooo
Aug 03 08:21:58 <tig|> DocScrutinizer:  quack
Aug 03 08:41:31 <ndnihil> damn anglophiles, no en_US dict for aspell?
Aug 03 09:15:51 <DocScrutinizer> ndnihil: you ought to consider lerning a correct English instead of looking for dictionary for that bloody slang. True, isn't it? ;-P 
Aug 03 09:17:16 <ndnihil> hah, I speak both brit and american
Aug 03 09:17:23 <ndnihil> and even a bit of aussie/kiwi
Aug 03 09:17:47 <ndnihil> I can even hold a conversation with canadians of the non-french variety :)
Aug 03 09:18:08 <DocScrutinizer> ndnihil: honestly I hardly can believe there's no en_US dict for aspell
Aug 03 09:18:21 <ndnihil> nope, just en-gb
Aug 03 09:18:27 <ndnihil> which is what I'm using for now
Aug 03 09:19:16 <ndnihil> even looked in the angstrom repos
Aug 03 09:19:19 <ndnihil> nada
Aug 03 09:19:30 <ndnihil> oh, tried shr-testing as well
Aug 03 09:19:35 <DocScrutinizer> aah, for OE. 
Aug 03 09:19:37 <ndnihil> currently running shr-unstable
Aug 03 09:19:38 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Aug 03 09:20:10 <DocScrutinizer> get dict from any arbitrary full-sized distro
Aug 03 09:20:28 <ndnihil> yeah that was the next step
Aug 03 09:20:37 <DocScrutinizer> s/for OE/from OE/
Aug 03 09:20:39 <ndnihil> but I'm doing the same for perls Tk module first :)
Aug 03 09:21:24 <DocScrutinizer> I did serious OE bashing some 20min ago ;-)
Aug 03 09:21:34 <ndnihil> anything fun come of it?
Aug 03 09:21:56 <DocScrutinizer> nnah, alas not really
Aug 03 09:22:28 <DocScrutinizer> just I never seen FR like an embedded device
Aug 03 09:22:40 <tig|> DocScrutinizer :  fair point on less in busybox not having find,  that one does annoy me
Aug 03 09:22:41 <ndnihil> sadly nor have I
Aug 03 09:22:43 <DocScrutinizer> it's a submin size desktop system
Aug 03 09:22:45 <ndnihil> neovento was kinda close
Aug 03 09:23:20 <ndnihil> if I get ambitious one day, I'm going to strip down a debian install, use the lightest wm I can find
Aug 03 09:23:33 <tig|> I think it still has to be treated as an embedded device though as you do have limited input and very limited resources
Aug 03 09:23:37 <ndnihil> and script up some front end magic
Aug 03 09:23:43 <ndnihil> if this perl-tk thing works 
Aug 03 09:24:08 <ndnihil> yeah, it's being treated as a laptop
Aug 03 09:24:14 <ndnihil> rather than a phone
Aug 03 09:24:25 <ndnihil> no offense to raster, but E is just too heavy for this thing
Aug 03 09:30:07 <ndnihil> damn shared objects
Aug 03 09:53:22 <ndnihil> /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl/5.8/auto/Tk/Event/Event.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Istack_sp_ptr
Aug 03 09:53:30 * ndnihil throws the FR across the room
Aug 03 09:53:49 <ndnihil> so much for the debian armel perl-tk package
Aug 03 09:58:20 <ndnihil> ah, perl 5.10
Aug 03 09:59:45 <ndnihil> and naturally archive.debian had one for 5.8, but not in armel
Aug 03 10:01:50 <lindi-> ndnihil: this is not the proper place to report it
Aug 03 10:02:05 <ndnihil> I'm not reporting anything
Aug 03 10:02:15 <ndnihil> just banging my head against the proverbial wall
Aug 03 10:02:26 <lindi-> ndnihil: please repotr
Aug 03 10:03:04 <ndnihil> there's nothing to report, as there is no reasonable expectation that a debian package for a higher version of perl doesn't work on shr-unstable from last month
Aug 03 10:03:18 <ndnihil> or rather, an expectation of it working
Aug 03 10:03:59 <ndnihil> just trying to get some sort of gui toolkit for perl on here
Aug 03 10:04:08 <lindi-> ndnihil: ah, shr
Aug 03 10:04:21 <lindi-> ndnihil: it sounded like a bug in debian :)
Aug 03 10:04:31 <ndnihil> nah, I'm sure it works fine in its native environment
Aug 03 10:04:44 <lindi-> ndnihil: we can't have those, need to freeze in 5 months :P
Aug 03 10:05:02 <ndnihil> ?
Aug 03 10:06:16 <lindi-> ndnihil: debian freezes in 5 months, after that only bug fixes are done until no release critical bugs exist and then Squeeze is released
Aug 03 10:06:27 <ndnihil> eesh
Aug 03 10:06:38 <ndnihil> debian has really upped the pace lately
Aug 03 10:07:15 <lindi-> ndnihil: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ is the page to watch
Aug 03 10:08:19 <ndnihil> so when it etch going to be EOL'd?
Aug 03 10:08:22 <ndnihil> s/it/is/
Aug 03 10:08:23 <apt> ndnihil meant: so when is etch going to be EOL'd?
Aug 03 10:08:26 * ndnihil stabs apt
Aug 03 10:08:43 <ndnihil> christ, I'm still using sarge on this machine
Aug 03 10:09:05 <ndnihil> and have 20+ etch hosts
Aug 03 10:09:15 <ndnihil> just upgraded a couple to lenny
Aug 03 10:09:22 <lindi-> ndnihil: one year after lenny was released i guess
Aug 03 10:09:37 <lindi-> ndnihil: that all depends on security team
Aug 03 10:10:20 <lindi-> ndnihil:  http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/  looks like a lot of work to do
Aug 03 10:11:55 <ndnihil> I guess I can leave the dom0's on etch
Aug 03 10:12:02 <ndnihil> they're solid for the most part
Aug 03 10:13:32 * ndnihil just doesn't want to brick something that's in a best case scenario 7 hours away (other side of the planet worst case)
Aug 03 10:14:23 <DocScrutinizer> ndnihil: no KVM?
Aug 03 10:14:44 <ndnihil> yeah, but not all are remotely accessible
Aug 03 10:15:01 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Aug 03 10:15:01 <ndnihil> I didn't pick them out
Aug 03 10:15:38 <ndnihil> even then, rebuilding all that shit would be a huge pain in the ass
Aug 03 10:15:46 <DocScrutinizer> so pick carefully the location and day/weather of the box to brick ;-P
Aug 03 10:16:27 <ndnihil> been thinking about making up an excuse to do some on-site work in the london or tokyo offices :)
Aug 03 10:16:37 <DocScrutinizer> ndnihil: and make sure your passport is valid
Aug 03 10:22:22 <ndnihil> I don't suppose anyone has cross-compiled perl modules before?
Aug 03 10:24:08 <DocScrutinizer> 8billion on earth? I guess the problem is to find the one who did ;-P
Aug 03 10:31:02 <ndnihil> you know, tcl+tk is actually running pretty damn smooth on this thing
Aug 03 10:33:20 <DocScrutinizer> I ony know SHR is fubar wrt buildprocess :-(
Aug 03 10:52:56 <pabs3> hmmm, on SHR I seem to have a problem where tons of fsousaged processes build up over time
Aug 03 10:52:56 <pabs3> anyone know if this is a known bug?
Aug 03 10:54:17 <dos1> pabs3: ...
Aug 03 10:54:34 <dos1> pabs3: RTF maillist, or RTF backlog...
Aug 03 10:54:48 <dos1> or just "opkg install -force-reinstall fsousaged libgee0"
Aug 03 10:55:11 <dos1> but pleaseeeeeee... asking the same question bilion times is soooo annoying :/
Aug 03 10:55:49 <pabs3> sorry, I only just joined
Aug 03 11:05:52 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rca2c19a7ee58 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] verify that we got a complete monitor response from the modem
Aug 03 11:32:24 <DocScrutinizer> dos1|away: where's the SHR-FAQ mentioning it? ;-)
Aug 03 13:53:50 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03werner * r5371 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0027.txt): ECN0027: Renamed some nets for clarity
Aug 03 13:58:11 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03werner * r5372 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (gps.sch memory.sch): Marked GPS_EXTINT with pointer to ECN0027.
Aug 03 14:21:02 <badcloud> anyone experience trouble reconnecting devices via bluetooth?
Aug 03 14:25:59 <badcloud> and incidently, there's a glitch in the 2.6.29-rc3 July 28th kernel when it comes to reinitiallizing bluetooth (shr unstable)
Aug 03 15:58:51 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r1099a55dc5b9 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (5 files): opimd: fix imports and move QueryMatcher class into query_manager.py
Aug 03 15:58:52 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * raa021ba78f6e 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking
Aug 03 15:58:53 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r59a37a54a40e 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (6 files): opimd: use GenericEntry in Contact class and refactor some opimd structures (experimental!)
Aug 03 16:01:55 <tig|> meoooooooooow
Aug 03 16:02:03 <Chocky> yes.
Aug 03 16:02:14 <tig|> apologies, wrong channel :/
Aug 03 16:02:21 <Chocky> not at all ;o
Aug 03 16:02:47 <tig|> actually slightly on topic,  has anyone got openmeowcat working on SHR-U  ?
Aug 03 16:03:59 <Chocky> Too many projects starting with "open".  It's like a kids show, where everything is called "(name of kids show) object".  So it's like a smurfcake, smurfcar, smurfdoor, smurfsleep, etc, etc.
Aug 03 16:05:11 <tig|> Chocky:   or iPhone, iPod, iLockIn,  iExplode  :) 
Aug 03 16:05:22 <Chocky> Exactly.
Aug 03 16:08:32 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03werner * r5373 10/developers/werner/fped/ (TODO expr.c fpd.y obj.c obj.h): 
Aug 03 16:08:32 <CIA-54> openmoko: - answered some of the questions in TODO
Aug 03 16:08:32 <CIA-54> openmoko: - added detection of recursive variable evaluation
Aug 03 16:08:32 <CIA-54> openmoko: - added detection of accesses to inactice loops
Aug 03 16:09:44 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * raec532c0ba24 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py pimb_sim_messages_fso.py): opimd: SIM-*-FSO: cast _backend_entry_id to int when deleting and updating
Aug 03 16:12:50 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03werner * r5374 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (65 files in 2 dirs): Moved fped over to /trunk/eda
Aug 03 16:15:15 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rd1a6e562781f 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py pimb_sim_messages_fso.py): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking
Aug 03 16:46:55 <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26366 - SmartDevices SmartQ 5 4.3" 800 x 480 Touchscreen Linux MID (667MHz ARM CPU/WiFi/Bluetooth/1G Flash)
Aug 03 16:47:45 <leinir> Q7 is even nicer :)
Aug 03 16:49:51 <SpeedEvil> q7?
Aug 03 16:50:16 <leinir> SmartDevices SmartQ 7 :)
Aug 03 17:58:36 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03werner * r5375 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (9 files): (log message trimmed)
Aug 03 17:58:36 <CIA-54> openmoko: - keyboard functions for the canvas: - zoom out, + or = zoom in, . center,
Aug 03 17:58:36 <CIA-54> openmoko:  * zoom and center to extents
Aug 03 17:58:36 <CIA-54> openmoko: - variables in tables weren't properly initialized, causing stray recursive
Aug 03 17:58:36 <CIA-54> openmoko:  evaluation errors
Aug 03 17:58:36 <CIA-54> openmoko: - replaced table->active index with table->active_row pointer
Aug 03 17:58:40 <CIA-54> openmoko: - added row selection
Aug 03 18:31:13 <Digital_Pioneer> I'm looking at giving Android a shot. How is its battery life these days?
Aug 03 18:33:05 <alephnull> Abysmal. It doesn't suspend, merely turns off the backlight.
Aug 03 18:33:17 <alephnull> (I'm talking of beta7)
Aug 03 18:33:30 <Digital_Pioneer> So probably about 5 or 6 hours per battery?
Aug 03 18:33:42 <alephnull> About.
Aug 03 18:33:57 <Digital_Pioneer> Yup. That won't do. I'll just have to keep waiting. :)
Aug 03 20:15:13 <leinir> .
Aug 03 20:18:06 <tae> hi im trying to get vixiecron working (default cron) i did, crontab -e and edited it like this; 16 21 * * * /root/mycommand and at 21:16 i hoped cron would run my command but it did not :(
Aug 03 20:18:49 <tae> i ran cron -x sch and i saw that cron does run but it does not mention my command
Aug 03 20:19:14 <tae> not sure how to troubleshoot it further since there are no logs etc. any help would be appriciated
Aug 03 20:19:30 <tae> (im running shr)
Aug 03 20:25:25 <tae> [6725] sleeping for 7 seconds
Aug 03 20:25:30 <tae> [6725] tick(25,21,2,7,1)
Aug 03 20:25:34 <tae> then it just starts over again :/
Aug 03 20:46:09 <tae> anybody running cron?
Aug 03 20:46:20 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03daveb * r5376 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Add symbol for Telit ge865 - potential 2G gsm modem.
Aug 03 20:46:27 <lindi-> tae: i run anacron
Aug 03 20:46:34 <tae> lindi-: what is anacron?
Aug 03 20:46:38 * tae googles
Aug 03 20:46:56 <tae> ah
Aug 03 20:47:06 <tae> this makes more sense
Aug 03 20:47:28 <tae> thanks lindi- 
Aug 03 20:47:58 <tae> never throught regular cron would not be enough for me :P
Aug 03 20:48:49 <tae> lindi-: what happends if the phone is suspended?
Aug 03 20:49:06 <lindi-> tae: nothing
Aug 03 20:49:27 <tae> nothing as in the scripts do not run?
Aug 03 20:49:46 <tae> lindi-: or nothing as in 'everything runs as normal' ?
Aug 03 20:51:59 <lindi-> tae: cpu does not execute instructions in suspend.
Aug 03 20:52:07 <lindi-> tae: => nothing can run
Aug 03 20:54:37 <tae> lindi-: there is no anacron for shr that ican find
Aug 03 20:54:59 * Weiss wonders if anything came of the magic which lets you carry on a phone call while suspended
Aug 03 20:55:46 <lindi-> tae: sorry about that, i don't really have time to maintain a complete distro just for openmoko so I use an existing one
Aug 03 20:56:35 <tae> lindi-: that makes sense
Aug 03 20:57:26 <tae> lindi-: well thanks for your help, i will try it from source, but may i ask you again about what happends in suspend? or rather what happends after. do the cronjobs run?
Aug 03 20:59:44 <lindi-> tae: they run after resume at some time yes
Aug 03 21:00:00 <tae> :) ok goodthanks
Aug 03 21:02:07 <SpeedEvil> man cron
Aug 03 21:02:12 <SpeedEvil> it explains time travel
Aug 03 21:04:45 <tae> bash: man: command not found
Aug 03 21:04:57 <tae> indeed, before man was invented
Aug 03 21:05:42 <SpeedEvil> google man cron 
Aug 03 21:05:43 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 03 21:10:53 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03werner * r5377 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (error.c fpd.y gui.c gui_style.h inst.c obj.c obj.h quad.fpd): (log message trimmed)
Aug 03 21:10:53 <CIA-54> openmoko: - combined frame and variable view into a single table
Aug 03 21:10:53 <CIA-54> openmoko: - make_var now sets up all back pointers, so we don't crash when deselecting a
Aug 03 21:10:53 <CIA-54> openmoko:  variable (this bug was uncovered by cleanup in the previous commit)
Aug 03 21:10:54 <CIA-54> openmoko: - report_parse_error didn't print a newline at the end of the message
Aug 03 21:10:56 <CIA-54> openmoko: - introduced frame reference selection and the data structures needed for it
Aug 03 21:10:58 <CIA-54> openmoko: - bounding box calculation of arcs used x for y
Aug 03 21:15:29 <[Rui]> argh opkg: error while loading shared libraries: libopkg.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Aug 03 21:15:32 <[Rui]> shr-u
Aug 03 21:15:53 <Wonka> wget, ar...
Aug 03 21:17:12 <[Rui]> Wonka: what should I get?
Aug 03 21:17:28 <Wonka> some .ipk with libopkg.so.0
Aug 03 21:18:27 <Wonka> *waiting for his grep*
Aug 03 21:18:40 <Wonka> /usr/lib/opkg/info$ grep libopkg *.list
Aug 03 21:18:40 <Wonka> libopkg0.list:/usr/lib/libopkg.so.0.0.0
Aug 03 21:18:40 <Wonka> libopkg0.list:/usr/lib/libopkg.so.0
Aug 03 21:18:47 <Wonka> HTH
Aug 03 21:28:44 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * r2f1df30eb2cc 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): add abyss to available transport methods
Aug 03 21:29:16 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * ra54a186761c9 10/.gitignore: gitignore++
Aug 03 21:30:39 <[Rui]> Wonka: where is that package? Not in all/
Aug 03 21:31:48 <Wonka> [Rui]: it contains .so files, so it cannot be in all/
Aug 03 21:32:58 <[Rui]> Wonka: that may seem obvious to you, sadly not to me
Aug 03 21:33:02 <Wonka> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/libopkg0_0.1.6+svnr204-r1_armv4t.ipk
Aug 03 21:33:56 <[Rui]> Wonka: yeah, I already found it :) but I don't know that if it contains .so files, so it cannot be in all/
Aug 03 21:35:19 <Wonka> [Rui]: the packages in all/ cannot contain architecture specific stuff like shared libraries
Aug 03 21:36:30 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r741c7dd59c7b 10/ (Makefile.am configure.ac src/consts.vala): cosmetics
Aug 03 21:37:44 <[Rui]> opkg recovered
Aug 03 21:46:01 <CIA-54> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * rbd0aa9283bcd 10/src/abysstransport.vala: catch dbus errors while creating AbyssTransport
Aug 03 21:52:24 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03werner * r5378 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (README gui_canvas.c gui_status.c inst.c inst.h): 
Aug 03 21:52:24 <CIA-54> openmoko: - don't crash when editing a NULL expression (e.g., default width)
Aug 03 21:52:24 <CIA-54> openmoko: - bounding boxes of silk objects now include the width
Aug 03 21:52:24 <CIA-54> openmoko: - # zooms and centers to currently active frame instance
Aug 03 22:57:37 * Kero wonders what changed from kernel gitr119826 to gitr119838 that can give white screen for the latter after suspend on gta01.
Aug 03 22:57:49 <Kero> where's te git repo? then I can clone and have a look
Aug 03 22:58:18 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03werner * r5379 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (gui.c gui_style.h obj.c obj.h): 
Aug 03 22:58:18 <CIA-54> openmoko: - moved building of an activator into new function add_activator
Aug 03 22:58:18 <CIA-54> openmoko: - added loop value selection (quick and dirty)
Aug 03 23:23:03 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03werner * r5380 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (gui.c gui_inst.c): 
Aug 03 23:23:03 <CIA-54> openmoko: - before changing the world, always deselect (reported by Dave Ball)
Aug 03 23:23:03 <CIA-54> openmoko: - gui_draw_pad: add 10% of slack so that pad names are upright unless we really
Aug 03 23:23:03 <CIA-54> openmoko:  need to rotate
Aug 04 00:23:13 <CIA-54> openmoko: 03werner * r5381 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (7 files): 
Aug 04 00:23:13 <CIA-54> openmoko: - fixed stupid realloc(..., len) error
Aug 04 00:23:13 <CIA-54> openmoko: - rearranged input area and added vector component edit capability
Aug 04 01:39:13 <drascus321> If you haven't already signed the petition asking Amazon to remove DRM from the Kindle please Consider joining in the fight: http://www.defectivebydesign.org/amazon1984
Aug 04 01:40:34 <SpeedEvil> I want the fuckers to sell me one.
Aug 04 01:40:45 <SpeedEvil> Oh - and to let me run openmoko on it.
Aug 04 01:41:17 <SpeedEvil> The deelting books that you've bought thing is evil
Aug 04 01:42:16 <drascus321> it's already running a version of GNU/Linux if they would just release the source under GPL for what they added and get rid of DRM I would have no problem with the thing
Aug 04 01:44:27 <raster> SpeedEvil: i'm waiting for epaper to not suck as much :)
Aug 04 01:44:52 <SpeedEvil> raster: in what way does it suck?
Aug 04 01:45:00 <SpeedEvil> Other than them not giving it to me?
Aug 04 01:45:24 <raster> not the kindel specifically - just e-ink/paper in general
Aug 04 01:45:31 <raster> update times are pretty bad still
Aug 04 01:45:33 <SpeedEvil> I mean - why does it suck
Aug 04 01:45:44 <SpeedEvil> Ah - right - I don't care much about that.
Aug 04 01:45:58 <SpeedEvil> I want it for stuff like 7 segment displays.
Aug 04 01:46:03 <raster> basically updating the screen involved "flip to black, flip to white, then flip to the pixels to show"
Aug 04 01:46:03 <SpeedEvil> And rewritable labels.
Aug 04 01:46:32 <SpeedEvil> For which I basically need the raw film - which they won't sell.
Aug 04 01:46:52 <SpeedEvil> And also for a silly little wand printer.
Aug 04 01:46:58 <raster> when you can just flip directly to the pixel values wanted - and do it in < 30ms, i'm finally happy :) wqell ok - not quite. want color! :)
Aug 04 01:47:01 <SpeedEvil> that you drag over a sheet of e-ink, and it prints it.
Aug 04 01:47:13 <SpeedEvil> colour - and reflectance >25% is _hard_
Aug 04 01:47:34 <raster> as i said... i'm waiting :)
Aug 04 01:47:41 <raster> i didn't say it's easy :)
Aug 04 01:47:55 <rooly> hey, does .NET have a garbage collector?
Aug 04 01:49:14 <drascus321> you can just buy a do it yourself e-reader kit and not just use the display included or you can by an ereader and take the display out if you want. 
Aug 04 01:49:29 <drascus321> the refresh times are not as bad as they once were they are pretty darn snappy now
Aug 04 01:49:39 <drascus321> and they are talking of offering color in the near future
Aug 04 01:51:18 <raster> drascus321: as i said. < 30ms :)
Aug 04 01:51:28 <raster> they are not anywhere near that yet
Aug 04 01:51:35 <raster> i have heard of the color ones
Aug 04 01:51:54 <raster> i dont know if they still require the cycle update (to black then to white then to value)
Aug 04 02:29:00 <Psi> is android usable on gta01 or does the lack of screen accel and accelerometers an issue?
Aug 04 02:29:13 <Psi> does=is
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