**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 05 02:59:56 2009
Aug 05 05:21:39 <rooly> so
Aug 05 05:21:45 <rooly> i've decided to make my own distro
Aug 05 05:21:48 <rooly> based on fso
Aug 05 05:21:55 <rooly> gonna call it MoPho
Aug 05 05:22:01 <rooly> byez
Aug 05 05:36:14 <frankS2> haha
Aug 05 05:36:20 <frankS2> yea
Aug 05 05:36:23 <frankS2> thats what openmoko needs
Aug 05 05:36:25 <frankS2> another distro
Aug 05 05:36:29 <frankS2> that wont work
Aug 05 05:38:34 <rooly> yeah
Aug 05 05:38:39 <rooly> its not really for openmoko
Aug 05 05:38:43 <rooly> 's more for me
Aug 05 05:38:50 <frankS2> really
Aug 05 05:38:55 <rooly> mmhmm
Aug 05 05:39:02 <frankS2> is 2009 working?
Aug 05 05:39:25 <rooly> i'm not interested in x or e or accel or qt or any of that jazz
Aug 05 05:40:04 <rooly> i am interested in things like decent number-to-contact resolution tho
Aug 05 05:40:22 <rooly> and integrating pim again
Aug 05 05:41:53 <rooly> and, oh, my favorite one
Aug 05 05:42:03 <rooly> running fast
Aug 05 05:43:15 <rooly> so screw interoperability. no x, no e, no qt, just a plain fso distro running a single program at boot
Aug 05 05:43:21 <rooly> okay, 2 programs
Aug 05 05:43:27 <rooly> anywho
Aug 05 05:43:30 <rooly> byez for real
Aug 05 06:31:09 <panicking> mickey|zzZZzz, Hi Mickey
Aug 05 06:33:48 <panicking> Android use the AT+CRSM= command to read the address and sms on the sim card
Aug 05 06:34:00 <panicking> but the calypso seems to don't support them
Aug 05 07:08:36 <badcloud_> anyone know how to open 'dates' as a smaller window? there's cutoff in shr testing
Aug 05 07:40:15 <methril|work> good morning
Aug 05 08:32:30 <badcloud_> anyone here know how to specify window size in a gtk+ prog?
Aug 05 08:37:28 <DocScrutinizer> badcloud_: #openmoko-cdevel ?
Aug 05 08:37:59 <badcloud_> I'll try, thanks
Aug 05 08:59:57 <Kero> mha! spontaneous wake-up of Neo? turns out, it's out of battery. it lived for maybe 30 seconds after that wakeup.
Aug 05 09:00:13 <lindi-> Kero: what's resume_reason?
Aug 05 09:01:42 <PaulFertser> Kero: it's supposed to wake up on low battery, yes. Not supposed to live only for 30 sec after that :)
Aug 05 09:02:22 <Kero> well, 2.6.24 kernel to check for those white screens I have with 2.6.29. 
Aug 05 09:02:58 <Kero> but you'll have to tell me if HW generates the signal for wakeup (should be?) and how much variation there is from battery to battery.
Aug 05 09:03:21 <PaulFertser> Kero: it should generate the signal to wakeup based on battery voltage.
Aug 05 09:04:39 <Kero> myeah. and then I launched an app, draining battery, i.e. lowering voltage. my battery is at least two years old, though iirc older/degrading batteries loose voltage range at the top, not the bottom.
Aug 05 09:05:05 <Kero> anyway, I don't really care about those 30 seconds.
Aug 05 09:06:02 <PaulFertser> Kero: are you interested in using BL-5C/6C?
Aug 05 09:06:08 <Kero> what I do care about is that 2.6.24 does not do the WS, but 2.6.29 has nice battery read-out :) Haven't measured if that 2.6.24 kernel reaches 2d of stand-by. More than the 8h I had with the same kernel on FSO5.5, at the very least.
Aug 05 09:06:31 <Kero> heh, I have a BL-5C from a Nokia phone I bought in the states.
Aug 05 09:07:03 <PaulFertser> Kero: gta01 currently refuses to charge it afaik, but it's a software limitation. Have you read the battery Q&A?
Aug 05 09:07:39 <Kero> and my battery might be old, but if your capacity calculation is OK, after 25 hours I was at 48% capacity. 
Aug 05 09:07:44 <Kero> I read the Q&A
Aug 05 09:08:24 <PaulFertser> Kero: who knows, i've checked that guessimation curve only with my battery which is a bit more than half a year old.
Aug 05 09:08:31 <Kero> It would be nice if Neo can charge BL-5C, 'coz otherwise I have to carry a US phone, charger and socket convertor.
Aug 05 09:10:06 <Kero> I can make graphs like that, see what we get. voltage as well as capacity, over time. With both Neo battery and BL-5C.
Aug 05 09:10:20 <Kero> I have 13 days before Neo becomes my main phone :)
Aug 05 09:11:46 <PaulFertser> Kero: but how do you know actual capacity? ;)
Aug 05 09:11:57 <PaulFertser> Kero: for me it was bq27000 integrated in the battery ;)
Aug 05 09:12:44 <PaulFertser> Kero: and i assume you can't provide reliable current measurements, can you? With that we could produce meaningful graphs.
Aug 05 09:18:06 <Kero> no, I don't have hardware to measure current. logging capacity would primarily be for visualization, for verification of the computation.
Aug 05 09:18:50 <Kero> I'd prefer a graph over a RMS :)
Aug 05 09:20:31 <PaulFertser> Kero: you don't have a DMM?
Aug 05 09:21:21 <Kero> what is that?
Aug 05 09:21:29 <PaulFertser> Kero: Digital MultiMeter
Aug 05 09:21:43 <Kero> got an AMM :)
Aug 05 09:22:00 <PaulFertser> Kero: so you can use it to measure current
Aug 05 09:22:00 <Kero> google was not helpful, the ads were.
Aug 05 09:22:30 <Kero> yeah, if I can get it to stick to the Neo&battery contacts.
Aug 05 09:23:46 <PaulFertser> Kero: sticking to contacts is not hard.
Aug 05 09:24:03 <PaulFertser> Kero: sticking to battery is also possible with some tape.
Aug 05 09:38:19 <Kero> sure, I can do that. Can you send me an email or something to explain what I should measure? i.e. run an application, write down measured current as well as a series of values from /sys/class/power/battery/. On an intuitive level I know that voltage and actual current can be combined to tune capacity computation, but I'm not sure on the details; also, you may have other ideas that require additional numbers.
Aug 05 09:40:53 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2d37fcadbe5a 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): gitignore++
Aug 05 10:06:19 <vanous123> Heinervdm: thank you :)
Aug 05 10:06:31 <Heinervdm> :)
Aug 05 10:21:14 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rff8bb278cf38 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/ (4 files): libfsotransport: convert to using the libfsobasics logger
Aug 05 10:28:27 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbff7837fac95 10/ (README libfsobasics/README libfsoframework/README): README cleanup
Aug 05 10:30:13 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rad72961b3a8d 10/README: README: add build order
Aug 05 10:35:51 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03werner * r5388 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (Makefile TODO delete.h dump.c dump.h fped.c gui.c gui.h): 
Aug 05 10:35:51 <CIA-52> openmoko: - started functions to dump .fpd files (automatic labeling doesn't quite work
Aug 05 10:35:51 <CIA-52> openmoko:  yet)
Aug 05 10:35:51 <CIA-52> openmoko: - don't pass argc, argv to gui_main. They've been harvested before.
Aug 05 12:30:57 <[Rui]> I'm starting to suspect my nand is dying
Aug 05 12:31:26 <[Rui]> suddenly I couldn't make calls.
Aug 05 12:32:15 <[Rui]> powered off cleanly then on boot... problems with FAT: unknown number of boot sectors or something like it
Aug 05 12:32:47 <[Rui]> if I'm using Qi, is there some page helping me install SHR into an µ-sd card?
Aug 05 12:33:26 <[Rui]> or is it just so simple as to make one bootable partition in the card?
Aug 05 12:36:51 <[Rui]> dos1: ping?
Aug 05 12:37:33 <larsc> [Rui]: its as easy as creating a partition (and copy some files to it)
Aug 05 12:37:44 <[Rui]> larsc: Qi will find it without any problem?
Aug 05 12:37:56 <[Rui]> larsc: this is because the freerunner is m y phone, so I really need it working :(
Aug 05 12:38:19 <[Rui]> worse... I'm expecting a call this afternoon from someone I don't know the phone number to call beforehand :(
Aug 05 12:38:29 <[Rui]> larsc: thanks
Aug 05 12:38:41 <dos1> [Rui]: pong?
Aug 05 12:38:57 <[Rui]> dos1: remember that FAT problem? it just happened with a normal shutdown
Aug 05 12:39:06 <[Rui]> dos1: I suspect my nand may be dieing
Aug 05 12:39:18 <[Rui]> either that or it's some problem with SHR
Aug 05 12:39:26 <dos1> [Rui]: you have FAT on NAND? WTF?
Aug 05 12:39:37 <[Rui]> dos1: jffs I suspect
Aug 05 12:39:44 <[Rui]> dos1: but it's a FAT error that happens
Aug 05 12:40:08 <[Rui]> dos1: but the error message is FAT: bla...
Aug 05 12:41:05 * [Rui] is so stressed out... now I'm fuly addicted on the freerunner I wouldn't like to have to buy a new one just because it can't boot :(
Aug 05 13:33:02 <[Rui]> does Qi try µ-sd first rathern than nand?
Aug 05 13:33:48 <[Rui]> yes... it seems so
Aug 05 13:33:51 <[Rui]> huzza!
Aug 05 13:40:55 <gabriel> yes [Rui] 
Aug 05 13:55:28 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r360781002ad8 10/libfsobasics/ (MAINTAINERS fsobasics/logger.vala): libfsobasics: fill in MAINTAINERS
Aug 05 13:56:12 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r95860e5cb97f 10/libfsobasics/configure.ac: libfsobasics: post-release version bump
Aug 05 13:57:25 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r151664622151 10/libfsotransport/configure.ac: libfsotransport: require libfsobasics 0.8.1.0
Aug 05 13:58:59 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3c3e1b862cdd 10/libfsotransport/configure.ac: libfsotransport: post-release version bump
Aug 05 14:00:49 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r47edc43c9bca 10/configure.ac: require libfsobasics 0.8.1.0 and libfsotransport 0.9.3
Aug 05 14:02:33 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r6ea2787d49f2 10/configure.ac: post-release version bump
Aug 05 14:04:29 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r449f09a597e3 10/ (configure.ac src/consts.vala): require libgsm0710mux 0.3.5
Aug 05 14:05:20 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r008485b24ab0 10/configure.ac: post-release version bump
Aug 05 14:32:29 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r8e3e7533b286 10/gsm0710mux/ (channel.vala consts.vala multiplexer.vala): better align hex debug output
Aug 05 14:44:39 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03werner * r5389 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (11 files in 2 dirs): - GUI: added creation and moving of vectors, measurements, and frame references
Aug 05 18:32:00 <serdar_> hi
Aug 05 18:32:10 <tobii_> hi
Aug 05 18:32:23 <serdar_> I was looking for the command line to find out which firmware I have moko11 or less
Aug 05 18:32:42 <serdar_> but I can't find that
Aug 05 18:32:56 <Meomer> isn't that in the upgrade guide?
Aug 05 18:33:10 <Meomer> i think it has it in there to confirm you did the upgrade at the end
Aug 05 18:33:16 <lindi-> look at the source code.. wait it doesn't exist
Aug 05 18:43:04 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03werner * r5390 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (9 files): 
Aug 05 18:43:04 <CIA-52> openmoko: - revamped delete logic: delete now always works. If there are references, we
Aug 05 18:43:04 <CIA-52> openmoko:  remove them as well. (In progress.)
Aug 05 18:43:04 <CIA-52> openmoko: - added frame deletion
Aug 05 18:43:04 <CIA-52> openmoko: - gui_status.c:add_label added vertical padding to keep the input area from
Aug 05 18:43:04 <CIA-52> openmoko:  bouncing (by Alvaro Lopes)
Aug 05 19:55:51 <tig|> I don't suppose anyone else is having problems trying to turn on GSM on SHR-Unstable ?
Aug 05 19:57:36 <ndnihil> gsm comes up automatically
Aug 05 19:57:42 <ndnihil> when the sim is inserted
Aug 05 19:57:58 <tig|> ndnihil:  not here I am having all sorts of problems
Aug 05 19:58:04 <ndnihil> rather, when a -valid- sim is in there
Aug 05 19:58:12 <ndnihil> sure you arent talking about GPRS?
Aug 05 19:58:21 <tig|> I assume either frameworkd,  ophoekitd or dbus is screwed here
Aug 05 19:58:21 <ndnihil> I dont think there is a user controllable toggle for GSM
Aug 05 19:58:30 <tig|> yes there is in SHR settings 
Aug 05 19:58:54 <tig|> and at the command line but ophonekit still thinks GSM is not available
Aug 05 19:59:09 <ndnihil> looking
Aug 05 19:59:57 <ndnihil> ah, you talking about the gsm antenna slider?
Aug 05 20:00:02 <tig|> yeah
Aug 05 20:00:07 <ndnihil> mine stays on
Aug 05 20:00:11 <jaj> tig|: have you upgraded your gsm firmware?
Aug 05 20:00:19 <tig|> jaj yes 
Aug 05 20:00:21 <ndnihil> just turned it off without issue
Aug 05 20:01:00 <jaj> tig|: does your SIM work with another distro?
Aug 05 20:01:16 <tig|> basically the phone registers I get the operator name in the top corner but all phone functions are messed up,  i restart frameworkd,  ophonekitd and dbus and still nothing works
Aug 05 20:01:17 <ndnihil> turned it back on
Aug 05 20:01:20 <ndnihil> without any errors
Aug 05 20:01:34 <tig|> it was all working fine here until the other day when it randomly stopped
Aug 05 20:01:42 <ndnihil> <-- using shr-unstable from early last month
Aug 05 20:01:46 <tig|> tried upgrading today 
Aug 05 20:02:02 <tig|> don't really want to reflash but it is looking that way :(
Aug 05 20:02:41 <Slaxxer> doit
Aug 05 20:05:39 <tig|> well I have spent a couple of hours on it now and still no joy so it is going to be a reflash,  I am a bit annoyed I can't fix it though
Aug 05 20:05:47 <jaj> I would try gsm manually to see if it works
Aug 05 21:57:33 <jaj> I'm wondering, wouldn't it be a good idea to not suspend when gpsd is active?
Aug 05 22:54:38 <tim_abell> does anyone know off the top of their head what makes the difference between showing as usb0 and eth1? Is it uboot vs that new one? Just adding some notes to a wiki page
Aug 05 22:56:54 <Weiss> it's "uBoot or old version of Qi" vs "new version of Qi"
Aug 05 22:57:05 <tim_abell> nice one, thanks
Aug 05 23:04:23 <tim_abell> udev rocks
Aug 05 23:04:34 <tim_abell> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Using_network-manager_on_systems_using_udev
Aug 05 23:04:54 <tim_abell> just figured out and added new udev rules for qi version
Aug 05 23:05:57 <tim_abell> once again i can plug in the usb cable, and instantly gain net access on the phone through the host pc. yay! :D
Aug 05 23:06:21 <jjwc> No wifi here either :(
Aug 05 23:06:25 <tim_abell> i love being able to add the results of my learnings to a wiki
Aug 05 23:06:45 <tim_abell> i've got the wifi working. sometimes :s
Aug 05 23:06:55 <tim_abell> depends is shr is behaving
Aug 05 23:07:01 <tim_abell> right, bed
Aug 05 23:07:04 <tim_abell> laters
Aug 05 23:07:05 <jjwc> What kind of wireless setup do you have?
Aug 05 23:07:17 <jjwc> gah, nvm...  good night
Aug 05 23:07:21 <tim_abell> you mean the access point?
Aug 05 23:07:30 <jjwc> Yeah, encryption, hidden ssid, etc.
Aug 05 23:07:39 <tim_abell> wpa, not hidden
Aug 05 23:07:47 <tim_abell> possibly wpa2 not sure
Aug 05 23:07:53 <jjwc> Hmm, maybe I should try unhiding
Aug 05 23:08:23 <tim_abell> wpa-psk according to my bebox
Aug 05 23:08:34 <tim_abell> aka thomson tg585v7
Aug 05 23:09:01 <tim_abell> Security
Aug 05 23:09:01 <tim_abell>     Broadcast Network Name:Yes  Allow New Devices:New stations are allowed (automatically)  Security Mode:WPA-PSK  WPA-PSK Preshared Key:landenox8  WPA-PSK Encryption:TKIP+AES   WPA-PSK Version:WPA+WPA2
Aug 05 23:09:07 <tim_abell> oops
Aug 05 23:09:11 <tim_abell> time for a new key!
Aug 05 23:09:15 <jjwc> ...
Aug 05 23:09:19 <jjwc> Too much info :)
Aug 05 23:09:29 <tim_abell> oh hell, you  lot will never come to my house anyway
Aug 05 23:09:39 <tim_abell> and if you did you are welcome to my internets :D
Aug 05 23:10:14 <jjwc> hahaha...  I think I'll play around with my router a bit.  Did you use Mokonnect or manually setup the cxn?
Aug 05 23:10:26 <tim_abell> mokonnect
Aug 05 23:10:41 <tim_abell> good luck jjwc
Aug 05 23:10:48 <jjwc> Thanks, I'll play around some more.
Aug 05 23:10:51 <jjwc> good night, tim_abell 
Aug 05 23:11:02 <tim_abell> night :)
Aug 06 01:15:41 <Mortak> hi
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