**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 06 02:59:57 2009 Aug 06 03:44:45 question: in the SHR-unstable images which images do I want Aug 06 03:45:34 .jffs2 Aug 06 03:46:05 the . summary is nearly the same as the .jffs2 Aug 06 03:46:30 an then u need a .bin Aug 06 03:46:49 anyone tried the OM2009? Aug 06 03:46:52 how usable is it? Aug 06 03:47:00 if u are flashing a freerunner Aug 06 03:47:02 so should I just pick the latest ones? Aug 06 03:47:37 thats the question Aug 06 03:48:05 im using 0721 i think Aug 06 03:48:36 and 0721 is working for ya? Aug 06 03:48:57 mostly but my gps is broken Aug 06 03:49:08 its this phone Aug 06 03:49:15 not the os Aug 06 03:49:41 i purchased it for the screen only Aug 06 03:50:11 really? Aug 06 03:50:12 why Aug 06 03:50:29 fixing to take a razor blade to the 2 sided tape Aug 06 03:51:03 i broke my screen thats why Aug 06 03:51:07 ok Aug 06 03:51:33 im just using this one foe time being Aug 06 03:51:37 OK so I am downloading ubifs.img and .jffs2 and what .bin are you using? Aug 06 03:51:55 latest for me Aug 06 03:51:56 sorry for the questions i am a noob to the freerunner Aug 06 03:52:12 so your using latest.bin? Aug 06 03:52:18 i dont have a ubifs at all Aug 06 03:52:38 .jffs2 an .bin Aug 06 03:52:41 really? well I am changing over from android so I figured i would need it Aug 06 03:52:55 what does it do? Aug 06 03:53:25 :) Aug 06 03:54:06 i must be a very old noob Aug 06 03:55:55 I think it's the bootloader Aug 06 03:59:13 Qi Aug 06 04:00:24 but your right i might not need it Aug 06 04:12:59 so u need to try neovento maybe Aug 06 04:13:26 all these choices Aug 06 04:33:53 openmoko: 03werner * r5391 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) Aug 06 04:33:53 openmoko: - undelete after recursive delete now brings back everything deleted in that Aug 06 04:33:53 openmoko: operation, not just one object at a time Aug 06 04:33:53 openmoko: - vector reference counting is not needed now that we have recursive delete. Aug 06 04:33:53 openmoko: Removed it. Aug 06 04:33:57 openmoko: - completed recursive delete of vectors Aug 06 04:33:59 openmoko: - gridify: give new vectors a minimum length, so that we don't get a weird Aug 06 04:56:55 openmoko: 03werner * r5392 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (dump.c fped.c obj.h): Aug 06 04:56:55 openmoko: - dumping now labels all vectors, even those we only reference as . Aug 06 04:56:55 openmoko: - dump objects only after all the vectors they reference have been dumped Aug 06 04:56:55 openmoko: - instead of relying on clever algorithms to dump each object only once, just Aug 06 04:56:56 openmoko: mark them Aug 06 04:56:58 openmoko: - left "dump" enabled in "main", oops Aug 06 05:21:51 wow this thing is a little harder to flash then i though Aug 06 05:21:55 thought* Aug 06 05:30:48 what thing? Aug 06 05:31:21 neo Aug 06 05:35:05 drascus321: look for neotool Aug 06 05:35:08 makes it easier Aug 06 05:35:22 that is what I am using i Aug 06 05:35:26 oh Aug 06 05:35:28 heh Aug 06 05:35:36 it's just that last time i tried to flash it I got some sort of error Aug 06 05:35:38 then you're missing the worst part :) Aug 06 05:35:48 heh probably Aug 06 05:36:45 just hope I don't turn my new phone into a brick lol Aug 06 05:45:07 what kind of errors? Aug 06 05:45:31 i think I got it now Aug 06 05:46:10 for some reason it just didn't want to flash rootfs and the kernel at the same time when I flashed them seperate it seemed to work Aug 06 05:46:22 ... Aug 06 05:46:26 wait wait wait Aug 06 05:46:31 you tried what? Aug 06 05:47:03 heh, I think what he's talking about is when das uboot times out Aug 06 05:47:13 it doesnt let you do another flash unless you do it fairly quickly Aug 06 05:47:19 OH Aug 06 05:47:20 okay Aug 06 05:47:25 about to say Aug 06 05:47:48 faster than you can type the dfu-util +args, so keep it available for pasting :) Aug 06 05:47:55 hmm Aug 06 05:48:05 only if your using ksh Aug 06 05:48:11 ...with no tabbing Aug 06 05:48:21 ok well either way it's working now Aug 06 05:48:25 trial and error Aug 06 05:48:46 what's better illum or illum SHR Aug 06 05:48:55 sudo dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -D Desktop/OpenMoko/image_rootfs.jffs2 Aug 06 05:48:56 both are equally brutal :) Aug 06 05:49:00 lol Aug 06 05:49:03 lol Aug 06 05:49:15 drascus321: illumeshr gives you a digital clock in the top bar Aug 06 05:49:25 illume gives you a clock face Aug 06 05:49:30 main difference Aug 06 05:50:27 not quite on topic, but linux'y, zoneminder rocks Aug 06 05:50:36 does it now Aug 06 05:50:41 indeed it does Aug 06 05:50:46 does it mind the zones? Aug 06 05:50:50 it does! Aug 06 05:50:59 interesting Aug 06 05:51:11 http://www.zoneminder.com Aug 06 05:51:25 oh Aug 06 05:51:27 i see Aug 06 05:51:33 skynet Aug 06 05:52:35 ive got this 4 input video capture card in a micro-itx/embedded case Aug 06 05:52:50 its a cheap one, so with most apps you can only see one input at a time Aug 06 05:52:56 via channels 0-3 Aug 06 05:53:11 but not zoneminder Aug 06 05:53:21 zoneminder switches between them fast enough to give you an effective 3-4fps viewing all 4 inputs, via web interface Aug 06 05:53:28 and there's very little lag Aug 06 05:53:36 aside from low framerate jumpiness Aug 06 05:53:40 ic Aug 06 05:53:43 so it's a hack Aug 06 05:53:49 but a useful one Aug 06 05:53:53 yes, and a usefule one Aug 06 05:53:54 er Aug 06 05:53:55 useful Aug 06 05:53:56 :) Aug 06 05:54:21 I can watch the security cameras on my phone Aug 06 05:54:31 though midori sucks, and dillo doesnt do javascript Aug 06 06:00:35 wow SHR is quite nice I am very impressed Aug 06 06:01:14 * rooly is too Aug 06 06:01:23 it handles gprs well Aug 06 06:01:33 but the sms app sucks Aug 06 06:02:02 if only this thing were treated as an embedded device instead of a laptop... Aug 06 06:02:11 oh i haven't tried that yet Aug 06 06:02:19 ndnihil: qtmoko Aug 06 06:02:23 but it crashes too much Aug 06 06:02:37 I tried it Aug 06 06:02:46 too buggy Aug 06 06:03:06 i agree Aug 06 06:03:20 * rooly decided to write his own equivalent to qtmoko Aug 06 06:03:23 but using gtk Aug 06 06:03:51 I'm thinking a nice clean/light debian install, a single low-footprint daemon to handle phone comm (fuck dbus), a fast/light wm, and a simple perl+gtk gui for phone stuff Aug 06 06:04:16 leaving all those resources left over to play numptyphysics Aug 06 06:04:16 is it easy to install opkg stuff ? Aug 06 06:04:16 okay, well, close Aug 06 06:04:24 drascus321: for the most part, yeah Aug 06 06:04:32 however, you *might* want to stop x before you do Aug 06 06:04:54 ndnihil: i was actually thinking of dumping x all together Aug 06 06:05:10 eek, that would kinda suck for using other existing apps no? Aug 06 06:05:17 a little Aug 06 06:05:23 and porting raster's keyboard to wx Aug 06 06:05:43 or maybe writing my own keyboard like his Aug 06 06:05:54 dictionary lookup shouldn't be too difficult Aug 06 06:06:03 ndnihil: tangogps would still work Aug 06 06:06:06 mofi Aug 06 06:06:13 ugh, you actually like predictive txt? Aug 06 06:06:24 ndnihil: i text while i drive quite alot Aug 06 06:06:28 I abhor it Aug 06 06:06:43 and you shouldnt txt and drive Aug 06 06:06:49 when you're driving, you should be driving Aug 06 06:06:59 (sorry, I'm a car guy at heart) Aug 06 06:07:14 we can discuss the merits of my activities that won't change, or those of a keyboard that suits me Aug 06 06:07:45 the only kb I use is the terminal one Aug 06 06:07:56 besides, i have gigantic fingers... Aug 06 06:07:58 which I quite like Aug 06 06:08:04 i like it too Aug 06 06:08:07 me too, I use a stylus for everything Aug 06 06:08:10 for terminal and web operation Aug 06 06:08:26 I can do calls by finger Aug 06 06:08:31 and suspend/shutdown/etc... Aug 06 06:08:38 oh yes Aug 06 06:08:45 's why those buttons are sized as such Aug 06 06:09:21 ndnihil: i also plan on at least partial integration of google voice into the app Aug 06 06:09:32 havent tried google voice yet Aug 06 06:09:38 it rawks Aug 06 06:09:41 yeah? Aug 06 06:09:44 mmhmm Aug 06 06:10:00 you can do things like get your name in your number... Aug 06 06:10:13 mine is xxx-66-rooly Aug 06 06:10:18 not sharing the area code in here Aug 06 06:10:19 hah Aug 06 06:10:24 dont blame you Aug 06 06:10:34 logs of this channel get posted to the web Aug 06 06:10:38 i showed it to my mom today Aug 06 06:10:41 is there a setting to change layouts on this phone? Aug 06 06:10:53 you know from standard to landscape? Aug 06 06:10:59 drascus321: illume-settings Aug 06 06:11:02 googled for something OM related the other night and the third post down was me saying something in here :) Aug 06 06:11:03 press the top bar Aug 06 06:11:14 click the wrench Aug 06 06:11:23 go to 'screen' Aug 06 06:11:36 i'm sure you can get it from there Aug 06 06:12:05 and that bar scrolls left/right Aug 06 06:12:12 that seems to be a commonly missed thing Aug 06 06:12:35 ndnihil: 's only because people are non-observant Aug 06 06:12:37 I missed it on first shr install, and I've seen a few people asking about it Aug 06 06:13:11 rooly: it could also have something to do with the sluggish response of the scrolling Aug 06 06:13:20 yeah, that's true too Aug 06 06:13:24 it also misses scrolling input sometimes Aug 06 06:13:27 too many layers of software operating Aug 06 06:13:32 * rooly plans to reduce that... Aug 06 06:13:32 yeah Aug 06 06:14:10 particularly on the desktop, I sometimes have to try 3-4 times to get it to scroll/slide to see the icons at the other end of the desktop area Aug 06 06:14:20 currently, drawing has to go thru e/gtk -> x -> fb Aug 06 06:14:31 * rooly plans to cut out the slow middle man Aug 06 06:14:36 gtk -> fb Aug 06 06:14:36 good idea Aug 06 06:14:59 meaning i can prototype my app in python, and possibly leave it that way Aug 06 06:15:53 gonna combine sms/im (using libpurple)/email Aug 06 06:16:03 google sync Aug 06 06:16:06 google voice Aug 06 06:16:14 maybe even a facebook sync Aug 06 06:17:03 I'm all about using X+wm, but something lightweight like they used on neovento Aug 06 06:17:24 it actually responds pretty well Aug 06 06:17:44 i simply miss the old 2007 stack Aug 06 06:17:57 it is honestly the best one they've had Aug 06 06:18:30 this phone simply does not have the resources to be treated as a laptop Aug 06 06:19:54 meh, ndnihil, it's got most of the specs of a stock laptop from just 3 years ago Aug 06 06:20:06 i mean Aug 06 06:20:10 okay Aug 06 06:20:14 that's a lie Aug 06 06:20:26 heheh Aug 06 06:20:31 it's got the memory of a laptop from 5 years ago Aug 06 06:20:35 not -too- far from it though Aug 06 06:20:39 and that ran winxp way fine Aug 06 06:21:27 and risc cpu's can't be compared in horsepower to cisc Aug 06 06:22:51 ANYway Aug 06 06:22:55 i'm going to bed Aug 06 06:23:00 nn Aug 06 06:23:01 later Aug 06 06:35:53 ndnihil: prediciton and correction are 2 very distinctly different things Aug 06 06:35:55 :) Aug 06 06:36:20 moot point if it doesnt do either properly Aug 06 06:36:47 illume's kbd works wonderfully on english text. Aug 06 06:36:53 maybe it's just me, but I'm a lot faster without predictive input Aug 06 06:37:04 which if english is your lang - is the absolute lions share of your text entry work Aug 06 06:37:21 I'd rather type everything out than go back and fix 2 out of 3 words Aug 06 06:37:51 i dont like predictive - its even fuzzier in guessing. i like corrective. Aug 06 06:38:19 but i guess if your fingers are so accurate on a 2.2" screen u might not need it Aug 06 06:38:24 but somehow i doubt it. Aug 06 06:38:26 stylus Aug 06 06:38:34 cant use any of the keyboards without one Aug 06 06:38:35 well there's the problem Aug 06 06:38:45 corrective input was intended for fingers Aug 06 06:38:47 no stylus Aug 06 06:38:49 fuzzy input Aug 06 06:38:53 <-- large hands Aug 06 06:39:00 the gta02 has no stylus - thus its finger-based Aug 06 06:39:26 try android on a g1 - cupcake (1.5) Aug 06 06:39:50 it doesnt have corrective - but predictive. and its absymal. and it also is finger-based (no stylus... capacitive) Aug 06 06:39:53 span on my hand, from tip of thumb to tip of pinky is just shy of 260mm Aug 06 06:40:15 try the non-corrective kbds with your hand Aug 06 06:40:19 (just measured) Aug 06 06:40:25 drop the stylus - gta02 wasnt built for a stylus. Aug 06 06:40:27 try it. Aug 06 06:40:29 good luck. Aug 06 06:40:39 heh, I tried all the keyboards Aug 06 06:40:43 I need a stylus Aug 06 06:40:50 and it works fine for me with one Aug 06 06:40:54 ndnihil: all keyboards? Aug 06 06:41:11 well, the ones that come with shr Aug 06 06:41:14 and a couple from opkg.org Aug 06 06:41:18 ndnihil: but you can define your own layout Aug 06 06:41:21 all the ones I saw available Aug 06 06:41:29 my hands are average i'd say. i can actually type senctences if the kbd is corrective (qte kbd, illume kbd) Aug 06 06:41:31 ndnihil: with only the keys you need Aug 06 06:41:42 anything else is a waste of time as your error rate goes through the roof Aug 06 06:41:43 I reflash this thing too much to invest any significant time customising it Aug 06 06:42:00 ndnihil: i don't reflash ever :) Aug 06 06:42:37 btw, can I quote you on that? I think it summarises why images are always not very good idea for a distro Aug 06 06:42:43 I keep a shell script handy to install all the packages I typically use Aug 06 06:42:44 mind u - gta02 is a shining example of design errors (in hardware) Aug 06 06:42:46 s/always/often/ Aug 06 06:42:49 lindi- meant: btw, can I quote you on that? I think it summarises why images are often not very good idea for a distro Aug 06 06:42:52 quote away, its true Aug 06 06:42:57 so i am not sure it's wise to use it as a measuring pole for vkbds Aug 06 06:43:34 raster: even on my "normal" phones, I always end up disabling the predictive/corrective input Aug 06 06:44:08 i can't speak for other hpones Aug 06 06:44:22 some dont learn, some have fixed dictionaries that are sanitised (no swearwords and slang etc.) Aug 06 06:44:50 it's a useless example as the kbd code and data are untouchable Aug 06 06:45:08 hrm, I wonder if this sph-i700 does predictive Aug 06 06:45:22 stupid thing runs windows-something Aug 06 06:45:40 as i said - i think predictive is bad - it's wasteful as it pollutes the correction possibility field with too many options Aug 06 06:45:53 corrective is good as it has a more limited candidate field Aug 06 06:47:13 raster: i just intersection of words from IRC and words from debian word lists :) Aug 06 06:47:19 +used Aug 06 06:47:31 lindi-: makes a lot of sense. Aug 06 06:47:40 dicts are very personal things often Aug 06 06:48:01 you can try and do a universal one - but it will cover lots of language you dont use. it's a good idea to collect your words from your environment Aug 06 06:48:21 your own sent emails, sms's, irc (everything at least you have said - if not others) etc. etc. Aug 06 06:49:17 wow, kernel cant figure out what this thing is Aug 06 06:49:26 Aug 6 01:48:48 akui kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Handspring Visor / Palm OS Aug 06 06:49:35 Aug 6 01:48:48 akui kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Sony Clie 5.0 Aug 06 06:49:44 when it's actually a samsung i700 Aug 06 06:50:32 my dict can contain things like "centigram" ... but really... will i ever use it? Aug 06 06:50:39 raster Aug 06 06:51:02 rooly: boo! Aug 06 06:51:08 do you happen to run any usage scripts for your keyboard Aug 06 06:51:15 or do you just have a dictionary Aug 06 06:52:00 i mean, i realize your keyboard eventually learns Aug 06 06:52:13 's just kinda tiresome to have to re teach it each time i reflash Aug 06 06:52:19 anyway - a dict that is built from your own personal text stores (your sent email text, sms's, irc stuff you wrote etc. etc.) shoudl present a much more personal dict :) the problem is that peolpe expect it to work out of the box without any effort so you need to try provide a universal "everyone" dict which will always be sub-optimal for most ppl Aug 06 06:52:43 I dont expect it to work at all, I just expect to be able to disable it ;) Aug 06 06:52:43 rooly: i don't, but the illume kbd will learn from whats entered through it Aug 06 06:53:06 hmm Aug 06 06:53:12 you should backup ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic Aug 06 06:53:17 thats where it stores what it learns Aug 06 06:53:18 okay Aug 06 06:53:24 's what i was gonna ask you actually Aug 06 06:53:42 just back that up - put it back on after reflahs and it will be as it was before Aug 06 06:53:56 awesome Aug 06 06:54:45 openmoko: 03werner * r5393 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (11 files): Aug 06 06:54:45 openmoko: - added menu item "Save" to dump the footprint to stdout Aug 06 06:54:45 openmoko: - added temporary solution for having a part name Aug 06 06:54:45 openmoko: - added part name to FPD example files Aug 06 06:54:45 openmoko: - reduced area in which the frame delete button responds Aug 06 07:46:59 morning all Aug 06 09:13:25 hi, I have an A6, and the settings panel won't open Aug 06 09:16:28 Loading flashes up temporarily then disappears Aug 06 09:18:04 hi does someone do openstreetmap mapping here? Aug 06 09:18:21 is there any progrem that can note the road types for mapping Aug 06 09:18:25 for the freerunner Aug 06 09:28:38 VoltageX: no info on version -> no help. ÜLEASE read #chanel topic (esp wrt http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html) Aug 06 09:31:09 A6? Aug 06 09:31:12 err Aug 06 09:57:32 openmoko: 03stefan * r5394 10/trunk/src/target/AR6kSDK.build_sw.18/host/tools/wmiconfig/Makefile: Aug 06 09:57:32 openmoko: wmiconfig: Honor LDFLAGS. Aug 06 09:57:32 openmoko: We need the LDFLAGS in OE. Allowing wmiconfig to build with them. Aug 06 10:00:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_Openmoko_from_scratch#How_to_build Aug 06 10:00:32 ^is this still valid? Aug 06 10:01:37 I've crosscompiled stuff in the same manner I've done for avr8/avr32, but I am going to try the perl-tk module Aug 06 10:01:42 which is a bit more complicated Aug 06 10:02:20 and wtf is bitbake? Aug 06 10:02:30 ndnihil: it's Open Embedded tool Aug 06 10:03:24 any advice on a quick and dirty way to compile perl-tk for it? Aug 06 10:03:41 ndnihil: there're three popular methods used currently: native compiling (debian folks do it in qemu sometimes), OE (SHR and others), OpenWRT. Aug 06 10:04:02 native sounds proper Aug 06 10:04:19 ndnihil: set up a crosscompiler on your machine, use distcc and compile on your FR with the help from distcc (optional). Aug 06 10:04:27 will qemu load the same root image and kernel image I flashed to the FR? Aug 06 10:05:25 ndnihil: nah, they use some special kernel and debian packages there. And anyway qemu is actually slower in compiling than the device itself. Aug 06 10:08:02 hrm, bitbake looks like something I'd like to avoid Aug 06 10:09:33 ndnihil: OE is complete gentoo-like cross-compiling system. Aug 06 10:09:48 ndnihil: sometimes fucking tricky to get right. Aug 06 10:10:14 sometimes people overcomplicate things Aug 06 10:10:53 ndnihil: for me it seems it's justified. Aug 06 10:11:09 what are the benefits to it? Aug 06 10:12:41 ndnihil: cross-compiling? Aug 06 10:12:47 to bitbake Aug 06 10:12:54 cross compiling is obvious :) Aug 06 10:13:16 ndnihil: how to manage dependencies etc without a tool like gentoo's portage or bitbake? Aug 06 10:13:23 but why not just export a few vars like CC="gcc-avr" and hit the go button? Aug 06 10:13:33 ah, so it deals with deps Aug 06 10:13:57 ndnihil: just like Gentoo. OE is designed to cross-compile a complete distro. Aug 06 10:13:58 I usually do the "chase the error/missing piece" thing Aug 06 10:14:13 make; install what was missing; make; install what was missing; etc... Aug 06 10:14:25 ndnihil: it also supports fetching sources from various SCMs updating whenever a new rev is available. Aug 06 10:20:04 PaulFertser: just a note, debian does not currently allow packages that have been built under qemu Aug 06 10:20:34 lindi-: why? Aug 06 11:10:32 PaulFertser: i think it has something to do with qemu not being cycle accurate Aug 06 11:11:12 PaulFertser: so it's mostly to reduce the number of software components that can cause compilation bugs Aug 06 11:11:21 hi Aug 06 11:15:58 I have a problem when I try to flash GSM firmware on my freerunner following the instructions I find on the wiki Aug 06 11:16:56 I'm using this SD image: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz , it seems that using dd to write this image on my SD gives a corrupted partition table and I can't boot from the NOR Aug 06 11:17:32 is there any other doc I can read a part from that wiki section? Aug 06 11:17:45 Demind: probably you messed the dd process Aug 06 11:18:04 docs are in the tharball as well Aug 06 11:18:21 but wiki is comprehensive and correct Aug 06 11:18:26 I've read it Aug 06 11:18:28 ok Aug 06 11:18:33 a last question about it Aug 06 11:18:38 I get this error Aug 06 11:18:46 ** Unable to use mmc 1:1 for fatload ** Wrong Image Format for bootm command ERROR: can't get kernel image! Aug 06 11:18:58 make sure you dd to *physical* device, NOT to partition Aug 06 11:19:07 yeah i did it Aug 06 11:19:10 ok I try again Aug 06 11:19:30 no idea then, it's been tested hundered of times now Aug 06 11:19:45 ok I try again Aug 06 11:19:56 worked for me Aug 06 11:19:59 do you think I should completeley erase the SD before the next dd? Aug 06 11:20:13 dd should overwrite it Aug 06 11:20:17 ok Aug 06 11:20:24 I'm going to try again Aug 06 11:20:32 sorry to bother you with such a silly problem Aug 06 11:20:44 and like DocScrutinizer said, make sure you dd to the physical device, and not the partition Aug 06 11:22:28 also make sure you umount ALL partitons possibly (auto)mounted when you plugged in that uSD Aug 06 11:23:39 that's really important as otherwise your system will destroy the freshly written image by flushing buffers of a filesystem that is not existent on the uSD anymore Aug 06 11:24:04 well cat /etc/mtab gives me that I've two partitions automounted mmcblk0p1 and mmcblk0p2, I've unmounted them with a classic umount Aug 06 11:24:29 k, should suffice Aug 06 11:25:10 though I wonder which system U r using to prepare the uSD. FR? Aug 06 11:25:57 I can't understand your question...are you asking if I'm preparing it from the FR or from my PC? Aug 06 11:26:10 btw I'd prefer a mere 'mount' to any 'cat foo' Aug 06 11:26:21 yep Aug 06 11:26:31 ok I'm working with the PC Aug 06 11:26:40 k Aug 06 11:27:11 sono I've the Gnome automounter that automounts the stuff...that's why I used the 'cat foo' Aug 06 11:27:58 s/sono/[] lol Aug 06 11:28:31 teh result: Aug 06 11:28:31 dd if=flash-moko11-2.image of=/dev/mmcblk0 Aug 06 11:28:32 552960+0 records in Aug 06 11:28:32 552960+0 records out Aug 06 11:28:32 283115520 bytes (283 MB) copied, 288,572 s, 981 kB/s Aug 06 11:28:36 everything seems ok Aug 06 11:28:47 yup Aug 06 11:28:48 yep, that's the proper output Aug 06 11:28:53 now I can test again Aug 06 11:28:59 now flush Aug 06 11:29:17 err sync Aug 06 11:30:30 sync;sync; Aug 06 11:31:00 wait Aug 06 11:31:10 the both? Aug 06 11:31:15 sync;sync ? Aug 06 11:31:17 should be non-mandatory, but who knows Aug 06 11:32:15 well, back in the old days you needed two sync to make sure it really flushed all diskbuffers Aug 06 11:32:21 ok I gave sync;sync to be sure Aug 06 11:32:42 i'm not a very old user so I didn't know that sorry Aug 06 11:32:48 and thanks for the explanation ;) Aug 06 11:32:56 Ok now I out it on the FR Aug 06 11:33:01 s/out/put Aug 06 11:33:08 so now remove uSD and try again: boot to NOR menu and select "boot from uSDs Aug 06 11:34:00 ok it's working Aug 06 11:34:09 HEH, .-D Aug 06 11:34:22 I mean I see a black screen 'alive' Aug 06 11:34:28 I suppose its working lol Aug 06 11:34:44 you should see blue writing on FR screen in a few seconds Aug 06 11:35:01 well the first time I gave only one sync Aug 06 11:35:30 DocScrutinizer: are you sure write caching is used for non-mounted media? Aug 06 11:35:42 does it boot now? I.E. there's white on black console msgs? Aug 06 11:35:46 up to now no blue writing...weird... Aug 06 11:36:08 PaulFertser: I'm rather sure it isn't ;-) Aug 06 11:36:14 DocScrutinizer: what's the use of sync then? Aug 06 11:36:15 I've seen the classic boot messages like "kernel found" etc etc Aug 06 11:36:41 PaulFertser: exactly none. Just to make sure... ;-P Aug 06 11:37:03 and then a backlighted black screen..as I would see if I was booting with Qi to NAND if you get my example Aug 06 11:37:05 Demind: so writing turned to blue color now? Aug 06 11:37:15 not at all Aug 06 11:37:23 touch screen Aug 06 11:37:27 ;) Aug 06 11:38:12 I'm touching it but it hates me lol, still black Aug 06 11:38:22 duh Aug 06 11:39:38 aux led flashing? Aug 06 11:39:49 no Aug 06 11:40:34 fsck. no idea what might have gone wrong Aug 06 11:40:45 I'm very unlucky or maybe incapable Aug 06 11:41:05 should I force a shutdown and then retry? Aug 06 11:41:13 you booted from NOR (definitively)? Aug 06 11:42:10 yes, force shutdown (i.e. remove bat and unplug from usb) Aug 06 11:42:16 then retry Aug 06 11:42:38 make sure is says "boot menu (NOR)" Aug 06 11:42:41 DocScrutinizer: i've no idea how to find PID by "dbus unique name". Aug 06 11:43:27 as suggested by mickey to find ELF-name of a resorce-allocator? Aug 06 11:43:48 I didn't plug it to the USB, was it necessary?I supposed that booting from NOR was possibile using directly the FR Aug 06 11:43:49 DocScrutinizer: seen my script on the bugtracker already? Aug 06 11:43:58 Demind: it is Aug 06 11:44:06 Demind: read wiki "Booting Freerunner" Aug 06 11:44:48 Demind: you should hook device to wallcharger nevertheless for gsm-flashing, and make sure your bat isn't that down either Aug 06 11:45:09 PaulFertser: nope Aug 06 11:45:12 I'm sure the bat is charged enough Aug 06 11:45:16 ticket#? Aug 06 11:46:05 but why should I plug it to the USB port?to have some 'parachuteì if my bat drains up during the process? Aug 06 11:46:22 yep Aug 06 11:46:27 oki Aug 06 11:46:28 :) Aug 06 11:47:29 ok Aug 06 11:48:31 Demind: please touch screen frequently to stop blanking, and closely watch for last line written before anything stalls Aug 06 11:48:34 apparently the boot process needs a touch after the white screen Aug 06 11:48:40 DocScrutinizer: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/461 (you should have received notification anyway) Aug 06 11:48:42 the first white screen Aug 06 11:49:32 now I have the blue Aug 06 11:49:35 ouch WSOD?!??? fsck Aug 06 11:49:42 cool :-) Aug 06 11:50:04 so sit and wait until it turns green. you're done then Aug 06 11:50:30 thank you for using my uSD-flashing image ;-) Aug 06 11:51:24 thank you for your help...apparently it complains about the bluetooth^^ Aug 06 11:51:28 I suppose you know it Aug 06 11:51:37 nevermind Aug 06 11:51:47 green! Aug 06 11:51:52 I get a login prompt Aug 06 11:51:57 so I can shutdown Aug 06 11:51:57 done :-) Aug 06 11:51:59 :) Aug 06 11:52:01 yup Aug 06 11:52:08 brutal force? Aug 06 11:52:09 :D Aug 06 11:52:14 yup Aug 06 11:52:33 DocScrutinizer: ehe, i know how to do that Aug 06 11:54:28 DocScrutinizer: thank you again Aug 06 11:54:36 welcome Aug 06 12:02:38 I just installed current om2009 and tangogps ... and its kind of doing nothing (gpsd is running) Aug 06 12:02:54 is it some faq? Aug 06 12:03:42 xyzz: gpsd shouldn't be running Aug 06 12:04:04 xyzz: with that tangogps should use fso-gpsd that will automatically ask frameworkd for gps data. Aug 06 12:04:10 *fso-gpsd Aug 06 12:04:33 xyzz: depends on who you ask, i like gpsd :) Aug 06 12:04:50 lindi-: i wanted to tell him about "fso-recommended" way. Aug 06 12:06:27 ok, fso-gpsd is running, but tangogps doesnt seems to get any data Aug 06 12:06:54 xyzz: are you sure device is in appropriate place to get a fix? Aug 06 12:07:04 anybody know off hand what package ccache is in? Aug 06 12:07:27 openmoko: 03werner * r5395 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (TODO dump.c gui_canvas.c gui_inst.c gui_util.c): Aug 06 12:07:27 openmoko: Various bugfixes. Aug 06 12:07:27 openmoko: - also dump the part name Aug 06 12:07:27 openmoko: - if given a zero-length vector, draw_arrow now draws a vertical arrow instead Aug 06 12:07:27 openmoko: of overflowing Aug 06 12:07:28 openmoko: - fixed angle calculation when drawing and selecting arcs Aug 06 12:07:30 xyzz: strace ogpsd and see what data it reads from /dev/gps (symlink, i don't remember the real name by heart)? Aug 06 12:07:32 openmoko: - redraw the screen after deselecting when we begin dragging Aug 06 12:09:54 PaulFertser near the window, that shouldnt be problem .. or? Aug 06 12:10:14 xyzz: it depends. If this is the window you always get a fix near, it should be ok. Aug 06 12:12:36 PaulFertser never tried before, my om is one day old Aug 06 12:13:54 xyzz: i'm not sure if paroli has some cool diagnostic window for GPS. Both SHR and Zhone do. Aug 06 12:15:24 even commandline utility can help Aug 06 12:15:43 lindi- looking on it right now Aug 06 12:15:43 xyzz: hm, let me check Aug 06 12:16:28 xyzz: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogpsd /org/freedesktop/Gypsy org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Satellite.GetSatellites Aug 06 12:18:25 hmm "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy: GetSatellites failed: org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled" Aug 06 12:19:40 xyzz: means you don't have fso-gpsd running or tangogps running. Aug 06 12:20:10 PaulFertser root 2214 1 0 13:18 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -S localhost gpsd -P /var/run/fso-gpsd.pid Aug 06 12:20:22 tangogps is off Aug 06 12:20:30 xyzz: so no wonder you have no results Aug 06 12:20:40 xyzz: please read and understand http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources Aug 06 12:21:00 xyzz: fso-gpsd requests GPS resource IIF someone is connected to its gpsd-compatible interface. Aug 06 12:24:39 so, there need to be running fso-gpsd (obvious) and connected client (tangogps) for mdbus request to succeed? Aug 06 12:24:48 xyzz: sure Aug 06 12:24:49 mdbus result is now [] and some warnings Aug 06 12:26:43 xyzz: (warnings are irrelevant) http://paste.debian.net/43479/ Aug 06 12:29:42 xyzz: and of course my paste shows i don't have a fix, only one sat is actually seen. Aug 06 12:36:20 hmm, seems it got fixed to 12 satelites right now Aug 06 12:37:34 xyzz: org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.GetFixStatus Aug 06 12:40:51 xyzz: you might also want to see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus Aug 06 12:45:29 PaulFertser thanks for tips Aug 06 13:20:25 hey there! does anybody know where openmoko locations stores user points? Aug 06 13:26:04 can someone help me trouble shoot why the contacts and messages apps don't work on shr for me Aug 06 13:27:30 my guess is shr is updateing and they have upgraded part of the system and some apps have not been rebuilt Aug 06 13:29:03 well I just installed it last night Aug 06 13:29:18 locations -- which file with user saved points? please help Aug 06 13:29:23 I haven't run an update on it last night Aug 06 15:41:23 I just got my phone back from being debuzzed by SDG, and now nobody can hear me at all -- I can hear them, but they can't hear me. Aug 06 15:41:27 Any ideas? Aug 06 15:42:57 novalis_dt, ask sdg? Aug 06 15:43:06 ;) Aug 06 15:44:08 TAsn, yeah, that's my last resort, because they'll want me to send it back and then I'll be without a phone again for another three weeks. Aug 06 15:44:25 novalis_dt, just ask Aug 06 15:44:31 maybe you need another state file Aug 06 15:44:32 or something Aug 06 15:44:36 I dunno... Aug 06 15:44:43 TAsn, thanks Aug 06 15:44:51 really I have no idea, I couldn't part with my moko for a period this long Aug 06 15:44:55 (two weeks) Aug 06 15:45:04 :) Aug 06 15:45:09 and I already have another moko batter anyway :) Aug 06 15:45:28 maybe the microphone isn't contacting properly with the main PCB? (the microphone is built into the front cover) Aug 06 15:45:39 although i've taken my front cover off loads of times with no problems Aug 06 15:45:48 hmm actually ignore that, it's the speaker that's on the front cover Aug 06 15:46:12 I have never taken my front cover off -- justthe back cover Aug 06 15:53:18 novalis_dt: ugh :/ changes in mixer settings were necessary for me after the debuzz Aug 06 15:53:29 novalis_dt: but I didn't have anything that exrteme Aug 06 15:53:53 (my debuzz was done by a friend though, albeit following the same SOP) Aug 06 15:53:55 I can't even find the mixer. But perhaps this is juts stupidity. Aug 06 15:54:24 novalis_dt: state files in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios Aug 06 15:55:13 johnsu01, ah, I see these, and will I guess investigate them when I can find a mini-usb cable. Aug 06 15:55:45 johnsu01, not in shr they are not. Aug 06 15:56:07 TAsn, where are they in shr? Aug 06 15:56:13 /usr/share/shr/scenarii or something Aug 06 15:56:16 in general Aug 06 15:56:20 the exact path is stated in the Aug 06 15:56:24 /etc/frameworkd.conf file Aug 06 15:56:30 still called gsmhandset.state though, right? Aug 06 15:57:00 same names Aug 06 15:57:02 just different path Aug 06 15:58:28 is there an shr gui mixer app yet? Aug 06 15:58:47 johnsu01, not yet ;( Aug 06 16:18:27 I just read about the Buzz Fix program, but it seems to be over! Have I missed my chance? Aug 06 16:19:00 Infoport: where are you? Aug 06 16:19:01 Infoport: you can do that yourself ;> Aug 06 16:22:27 I am in the US, in NC. I don't think I have the skills to solder such a small connection. I have seen the rework, and it specifies soldering under a microscope and using tiny solder tips. Aug 06 16:24:35 I have a basic soldering iron, but have very basic skills along with it. Aug 06 16:29:07 Infoport, next time you're in New York, I would be glad to lend you a microscope... Aug 06 16:30:43 well actually I *do* have a monocular microscope, but since I am a novice at soldering I am hesitant to try on my FR Aug 06 16:31:48 my internal GPS antenna stopped working, and I tried to resolder a loose wire, but I can still only get GPS from external antenna now Aug 06 16:32:30 and that was an easy wire, not tiny or anything (I didnt break it, but it didnt get solved either) Aug 06 16:38:55 soltys: did you do the rework on your FR yourself? Aug 06 16:39:14 Infoport: i'm waiting for capacitor and rezistor ;) Aug 06 16:39:35 they should be here soon Aug 06 16:40:35 soltys: are you going to be using a soldering iron with adjustable temp, a microscope, etc? Aug 06 16:41:45 Infoport: nope, i have normal soldering iron and 'third hand' with magnifaing glass Aug 06 16:41:54 it should be ok.. Aug 06 16:41:57 will see ;) Aug 06 16:42:38 soltys: that is actually what I have. Maybe I should practice a while on circuits from a hard drive I took apart for magnets Aug 06 16:44:35 Infoport: ;> Aug 06 16:45:14 I wish I had noticed while the Buzz Fix program was in effect. :-( Aug 06 16:47:27 never saw it in the Community Updates, etc. A limited time thing like that should be in flashing text, maybe a popup saying You Are Already a Winner! Aug 06 16:47:37 :-P Aug 06 16:49:24 Infoport, this is probably why: Aug 06 16:49:25 http://xkcd.com/570/ Aug 06 16:49:33 (why they didn't put flashing popups{ Aug 06 16:51:56 very funny! Still, I was regularly visiting wiki, setting up USB networking on diff computers, flashing distros, trying software, but missed that Aug 06 16:52:27 Infoport: hte buzz-fix is easy Aug 06 16:52:31 Infoport: the GPS fix isn't Aug 06 16:52:50 I'm on mailing lists too, but I get SWAMPED by the volume, and usually only end up reading some of it Aug 06 16:52:54 Infoport: If you happen to be visiting scotland, I might be able to help you - otherwise - not really Aug 06 16:56:34 SpeedEvil: a GPS fix for the internal antenna, or the GPS-DS card issue? Isn't the latter fixed just as well by software? Aug 06 16:57:10 Infoport: the GPS fix does mor ethan the software alone. Aug 06 16:57:20 The software alone fix some find adequate Aug 06 17:00:29 hmm. once again, the fixes are to be found in Europe! For the GPS antenna issue, I did squeeze the connector, but I was afraid to try resoldering pins Aug 06 17:01:41 Is anybody in the US doing the fixes, other than the no-over program with SDG? Aug 06 17:01:59 Who does this fixes in europe? Aug 06 17:02:11 s/no-oever/now-over/g Aug 06 17:02:43 tedo well SpeedEvil seems to do the fixes, acc. to a wiki page Aug 06 17:03:18 I should take that down. Aug 06 17:03:39 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shop:Speedevil Aug 06 17:03:39 I currently am having problems with transport - so posting FRs back would be tricky Aug 06 17:03:44 yes, I know Aug 06 17:04:12 umm, yeah getting the FR back is very important IMHO Aug 06 17:04:18 :) Aug 06 17:04:51 i just missed the buzz fix program, too Aug 06 17:05:11 and i don't have the gps sd-card capacitor Aug 06 17:07:11 SpeedEvil says the buzz fix is "easy", but you might want to look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix Aug 06 17:07:44 the buzz fix is easy compared to the gps fix Aug 06 17:07:48 page says that the EU distributor Golden Delicious will keep doing the fixes privately (for pay I assume) Aug 06 17:08:27 currently it is not available in their shop Aug 06 17:08:30 I saw one person's writeup of doing the buzz fix, and they accidentally removed other components and then replaced them Aug 06 17:10:20 there MUST be other source for the capacitor (other than SpeedEvil, who needs a reliable VW so he can get to post office ;-) ) Aug 06 17:15:09 testing equipment is also needed for buzz fix or GPS fix right? Aug 06 17:16:51 *sigh* I guess I just need to learn how to solder well (and I thought that programming skills were all this phone would need!) Aug 06 17:20:10 SpeedEvil, the testing of resistor (for buzz fix) is just to verify right? If we know hardware revision, the resistor will be 0k correct? Aug 06 17:21:10 SpeedEvil, that is, if we know hardware revision is A5 or A6 Aug 06 17:27:19 As I understand it, yes Aug 06 17:29:04 good, I am afraid that my multimeters are cheap, and might give too much voltage Aug 06 17:29:39 I usually use them for my classic VWs, etc, not delicate electronics Aug 06 17:30:54 wow, the Freedom Slim keyboard looks promising! I am still trying to get hold of the rollup keyboard with a mini-USB Aug 06 17:32:16 Duraflex keyboard-- Oxford Univ was using FR with Duraflex, and had it made with mini-USB. They said they were going to sell extras but it never seemed to happen Aug 06 17:39:48 ouch! got a reply from SDG Systems, saying the program ended 7/31 -- that hurts even more! Aug 06 18:49:10 has anybody had success with SHR upgrades using the swapon instructions on wiki? I get an error when I try to do the swapon command Aug 06 18:49:57 swapon -a? Aug 06 18:51:11 no, I just entered swapon swapfile.swp, per this note in wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#opkg_upgrade_.22fork_failed.22 (I was getting the fork failed before) Aug 06 18:53:23 the command fails with error "swapon: swapfile.swp: Invalid argument" Aug 06 18:53:54 you are in the correct directory? Aug 06 18:54:06 Infoport: you've mkswapped the file? Aug 06 18:55:00 tedo and speedevil: yes and yes Aug 06 18:55:31 swapon -a shouldnt do it, since there is no fstab entry Aug 06 18:56:23 Infoport: i've done the dd and mkswap on my pc(faster). after that everything worked fine Aug 06 18:57:53 infoport: where do you have that swapfile? Aug 06 18:57:58 tedo but you did swapon, or somehow activated it as swap on the FR right? Aug 06 18:58:08 Infoport: on NAND or µSD? Aug 06 18:58:09 Infoport: yes Aug 06 18:58:13 dos1 on /media/card Aug 06 18:58:30 Infoport: so on µSD? Aug 06 18:58:49 Infoport: /media/card doesn't say anything for me, as it can be unmounted as well Aug 06 18:58:56 dos1 yes, first partition, ext2 in this card Aug 06 18:59:06 hmm Aug 06 18:59:17 strange thing then Aug 06 19:00:41 <[Rui]> hi Aug 06 19:00:59 hello Rui! Aug 06 19:01:48 issuing "swapon /media/card/swapfile.swp" doesnt seem to work either Aug 06 19:01:51 <[Rui]> I would really appreciate some hints on why elmdentica is looking like absolute crap on shr :) Aug 06 19:02:03 <[Rui]> if it's anything I can/should do, I would definitely do it Aug 06 19:02:08 tedo did you have to reboot or anything in between? Aug 06 19:02:22 <[Rui]> Infoport: that's not it Aug 06 19:02:30 Infoport: i rebooted after the fork error Aug 06 19:02:33 <[Rui]> Infoport: you should put your swap file in /etc/fstab Aug 06 19:02:47 <[Rui]> Infoport: did you do it? Aug 06 19:03:19 Rui no, I havent put any entry in for swap Aug 06 19:04:01 Infoport: but the fork error destroyed my rootfs, so i reflashed it after that, too Aug 06 19:04:35 <[Rui]> tedo: the opkg fork error? I'm getting that as well, is it a filesystem killer? Aug 06 19:05:05 [Rui]: i think so Aug 06 19:05:16 <[Rui]> Infoport: echo '/media/card/swapfile.swp none swap sw 0 0" ? Aug 06 19:05:24 <[Rui]> Infoport: echo '/media/card/swapfile.swp none swap sw 0 0" >> /etc/fstab Aug 06 19:05:29 <[Rui]> Infoport: then swap on -a Aug 06 19:05:30 yeah, I have had to reflash several times b/c of the fork error, then found the instructions for swap for upgrade (on SHR page in wiki) Aug 06 19:05:33 <[Rui]> swapon -a Aug 06 19:06:14 i didn't put the swapfile in fstab. it should work without it Aug 06 19:08:00 now "swapon -a" yields --> "swapon: /media/card/swapfile.swp: Invalid argument" Aug 06 19:08:13 <[Rui]> but what is the opkg fork error? what's causing it? Aug 06 19:08:40 Infoport: but "swapon --help" works? Aug 06 19:08:46 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#opkg_upgrade_.22fork_failed.22 Aug 06 19:09:16 tedo yes swapon --help works Aug 06 19:09:40 my guess is that it isn't recognizing the file as a device Aug 06 19:10:22 i would try to do the dd & mkswap on a pc Aug 06 19:10:41 maybe your swapfile is corrupt Aug 06 19:10:58 tedo those commands seemed to work correctly-- they gave output that seemed to make sense Aug 06 19:11:25 yes, but either your swapon is broken or your swapfile Aug 06 19:11:27 128000+0 records in Aug 06 19:11:27 128000+0 records out Aug 06 19:11:43 so new swapfile or reflash Aug 06 19:11:47 Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 131067904 bytes Aug 06 19:12:37 tedo I guess it is time to try swapfile again-- SHR isnt locked up, like fith failed fork Aug 06 19:12:54 like with failed fork Aug 06 19:15:23 I like the leather OM case selling at TuxBrain, except for it being leather Aug 06 19:15:39 Infoport, hehe. Aug 06 19:15:43 I have one. Aug 06 19:15:47 I don't like cases at all Aug 06 19:15:47 ;\ Aug 06 19:16:20 but I also don't like the fact it's leather Aug 06 19:16:33 <[Rui]> I have it Aug 06 19:16:38 <[Rui]> it's very useful in the summer Aug 06 19:16:56 <[Rui]> that way the freerunner isn't getting all the heat and humidity from my sweaty pockets :) Aug 06 19:17:02 I have the traveler's pouch, but it doesn't keep you from accidentally pressing the screen (and no screen lock on SHR and some others!) Aug 06 19:17:27 Infoport, sure there's a screen lock in shr Aug 06 19:17:31 just tap the aux button. Aug 06 19:17:33 Rui plus I don't need more STUFF in my pockets! Aug 06 19:18:24 TAsn hmm, OpenWRT then? It seems one of the distros I recently flashed didnt have a lock Aug 06 19:18:42 Infoport, huh? Aug 06 19:19:35 I pull out the phone, and there is a long string in the dialer, just waiting to call malaysia or somewhere expensive Aug 06 19:22:08 maybe that is just another thing I need to learn about those distros, but I still would like a firm case for FR Aug 06 19:25:56 <[Rui]> so opkg is having problems due to not enough memory? Aug 06 19:26:43 yeap Aug 06 19:27:25 weird, now I cant seem to see the first partition on uSD, in USB adapter in PC Aug 06 19:27:27 <[Rui]> even for simples installs? Aug 06 19:27:33 <[Rui]> I mean... I could understand for a complete upgrade Aug 06 19:27:36 <[Rui]> or a big one Aug 06 19:27:40 <[Rui]> but I had it installing mokomaze Aug 06 19:27:54 <[Rui]> now with the swap file I'm fixing the packages it brokinstalled Aug 06 19:27:54 Rui no I got it to upgrade dropbear, just not opkg upgrade (full) Aug 06 19:27:55 [Rui]: only in big upgrades afaik Aug 06 19:28:03 <[Rui]> definition of big may vary Aug 06 19:28:13 <[Rui]> I had it even with installing elmdentica Aug 06 19:28:17 <[Rui]> and that is very, very small Aug 06 19:28:40 [Rui]: and upgrading navit have probpems with 'opkg fork failed' afair.. Aug 06 19:28:53 it was on -community or shr-user ml Aug 06 19:30:45 does the swapfile need to be on a uSD partition with nothing else? Aug 06 19:31:12 it seems to have taken away the partition type label (viewing via parted) Aug 06 19:31:27 <[Rui]> what I would like is that someone helped me understand what THE FSCK is wrong with SHR and libelm Aug 06 19:31:34 correction-- filesystem type Aug 06 19:31:39 <[Rui]> elmdentica looks like crap and I found another weird problem Aug 06 19:31:49 <[Rui]> it's spending cpu like there's no tomorrow Aug 06 19:31:55 <[Rui]> constantly on 15% Aug 06 19:31:55 Infoport: no, i put it besides other files Aug 06 19:32:05 <[Rui]> now... elmdentica doesn't do things by itself Aug 06 19:32:12 <[Rui]> no autoload of timelines, etc... Aug 06 19:32:23 <[Rui]> so it's only libelm's loop that's working Aug 06 19:33:46 well parted says it cant detect a filesystem there now, so I must have messed up something Aug 06 19:35:25 guess I'll make ext2 partition again and try again Aug 06 19:38:23 just means I'll have to reload Maps onto uSD, plus uImage for distro on uSD Aug 06 19:40:37 good luck. i'm off now. bye Aug 06 19:44:04 does everybody use a tiny screwdriver to lift up the uSD clip, or just use their fingernail? I have to remove it SO OFTEN Aug 06 19:44:40 I usually use the edge of the sim or something, since it's handy at that point Aug 06 19:45:55 mjr good idea! the wiki says the clip will stop holding if you pull it up without releasing both sides, so I have been worried about using fingernail Aug 06 19:49:15 yea! doing dd and mkswap on PC, then replacing uSD in FR, seemed to do the trick! swapon swapfile.swp seems to work (at least no error afterward) Aug 06 19:50:04 now I just hope that the opkg upgrade doesn't fail! Aug 06 19:51:06 and "if at first you don't succeed, flash flash again" Aug 06 19:51:34 Infoport, about uSD card, I remember someone using a post-it paper to open it easily :) Aug 06 19:53:49 I think my brother has a stylus (for N770, or other PDA) which has a tiny screwdriver in the top. Would be nice for FR (it needs a small stylus and holder anyway) Aug 06 19:55:07 that is another thing I like about the leather OM case-- has/holds a small stylus! But I dont buy leather anymore Aug 06 20:16:20 Infoport: Heheh, my bro gave me one of his N770 styluses ;) (much better than that giant pen I got with FR) Aug 06 20:19:05 openmoko: 03werner * r5396 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (delete.c delete.h fpd.y gui.c gui_tools.c obj.h): Aug 06 20:19:05 openmoko: - when dragging the endpoint of an arc, show a helper line to visually connect Aug 06 20:19:05 openmoko: the point being dragged Aug 06 20:19:05 openmoko: - added pop-up menus for all frame and variable items (on-going) Aug 06 20:19:05 openmoko: - clickable items in the frame/var area now only respond to the left button, Aug 06 20:19:08 openmoko: unless they have a pop-up Aug 06 20:19:10 openmoko: - removed the frame delete icon - use pop-up instead Aug 06 20:59:14 well upgrade is still continuing successfully...had to confirm replacing configuration filesso it could go on, but no failed fork Aug 06 21:02:56 does the freerunner support 16GB microSDHC ? Aug 06 21:03:01 if anyone have tried... Aug 06 21:03:09 yes Aug 06 21:03:13 awesome Aug 06 21:03:18 DocScrutinizer did. It worked for him. Aug 06 21:03:26 I think DocScrutinizer was trying one yesterday Aug 06 21:03:43 yup Aug 06 21:04:58 also "should" work for 32 GB ones Aug 06 21:04:59 root@om-gta02 ~ $ df -h Aug 06 21:05:00 Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on Aug 06 21:05:02 /dev/root 252544 115024 137520 46% / Aug 06 21:05:03 none 60428 60 60368 0% /dev Aug 06 21:05:05 shmfs 60428 0 60428 0% /dev/shm Aug 06 21:05:06 /dev/mmcblk0p1 15654912 4194336 11460576 27% /media/card Aug 06 21:05:07 (when they'll come up with those) Aug 06 21:05:08 volatile 60428 1988 58440 3% /var/volatile Aug 06 21:05:48 incidentally, any confirmation yet if sdxc cards will work with older controllers if you get to bang the controller as we do? Aug 06 21:06:00 Nokia card (Transcend was borked) Aug 06 21:09:25 hmm, upgrade ended with a seg fault Aug 06 21:12:45 I wonder if I neglected to copy over kernel modules after reflash? That might be why so many kernel modules are in SHR upgrade Aug 06 21:57:21 openmoko: 03werner * r5397 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (delete.c expr.c expr.h fpd.y gui.c): Aug 06 21:57:21 openmoko: - tables no longer try to fill the available space in the variables area Aug 06 21:57:21 openmoko: - added string-valued expressions (on-going) Aug 06 21:57:21 openmoko: - loops, tables, and rows can now be deleted/undeleted (still need columns) Aug 06 22:24:49 hello all Aug 06 22:25:41 anyone around well familiar with ts_calibrate? Aug 06 22:51:37 ooh, i seem to have had my fr for a year now. yay! Aug 06 22:51:48 just found some old irc logs Aug 06 22:52:00 Congratulations! Aug 06 22:52:17 * SpeedEvil passes tim_abell a little birthday cake in the shape of a freerunner, with one candle. Aug 06 22:52:23 and i'm still excited :) Aug 06 22:52:32 and still up late trying to do stuff Aug 06 22:52:35 * SpeedEvil watches as the candle flickers, and goes out, and then emits a stream of flying monkeys. Aug 06 22:52:46 thanks SpeedEvil :) Aug 06 22:52:49 * tim_abell loves cake Aug 06 22:59:11 SpeedEvil, you could make good business if you were in posession of such candle Aug 06 23:08:01 Hi there. I'm connecting to my pc from the freerunner using vncserver, I can move and click with the mouse but the keyboard isn't working at all. What can i do_ pls Aug 07 00:48:09 openmoko: 03werner * r5398 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) Aug 07 00:48:09 openmoko: Finished deletion. Assorted bug fixes. Aug 07 00:48:09 openmoko: - columns can now be deleted/undeleted Aug 07 00:48:09 openmoko: - reset active row if deleting that row Aug 07 00:48:09 openmoko: - grammar now accepts an empty file Aug 07 00:48:10 openmoko: - when a non-canvas entry becomes editable, we set the focus to it Aug 07 00:48:14 openmoko: - when adding the first reference to a frame, make it active Aug 07 02:23:08 openmoko: 03werner * r5399 10/trunk/eda/fped/sc89.fpd: Experimental SC-89 footprint. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 07 02:59:57 2009