**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 13 02:59:58 2009 Aug 13 04:04:31 Doc Aug 13 04:33:19 is there anyone here installed fedora on the phone?! is it possible? Aug 13 04:41:38 did anyone use a usb wireless card on the phone?! Aug 13 04:46:42 thanks Aug 13 06:53:50 morning Aug 13 07:09:08 PaulFertser: Are you finished with your draculetta movies yet? Aug 13 07:28:45 Daramarak: it weren't movies Aug 13 07:29:16 Daramarak: and not Draculette. I was reading this old book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula Aug 13 07:29:57 Daramarak: That was not what DocScrutinizer told me ;) Aug 13 07:30:13 He joked. Aug 13 07:31:48 PaulFerster: You are kidding, old bram stoker instead of pale babes... ;) Aug 13 07:39:30 Daramarak: so what is your question? Aug 13 07:40:07 pale babes ftw Aug 13 07:53:38 PaulFertser: Sorry, meeting :) Aug 13 07:55:06 PaulFertser: You wanted to know the git revision number. (Remember the RNDIS problem?). I found it yesterday. The kernel image is from the file uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r3-om-gta02.bin Aug 13 07:57:54 Daramarak: Thu Feb 26 13:53:15 2009 ??? Aug 13 07:59:07 Daramarak: well, that'd explain why it doesn't work. I've already told you the date the latest crude hack was committed that was necessary for some win machines. Aug 13 07:59:22 Daramarak: get the kernel from SHR unstable. Aug 13 08:07:47 Daramarak: don't forget to untar the corresponding modules to your rootfs! Aug 13 08:09:18 PaulFertser: But isn't this the same uimage that lies in the om2009 testing folder? Aug 13 08:09:39 Daramarak: SHR unstable always uses andy-tracking HEAD Aug 13 08:09:53 Daramarak: so it is up-to-date. You say you're using Feb 26 kernel. Aug 13 08:12:29 PaulFertser: I say that I used the file from http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ you say this is an old kernel? and that I should use a newer one (from SHR unstable) Aug 13 08:12:45 hi Aug 13 08:14:54 Daramarak: the git hash you gave me refers to the commit made on Thu Feb 26 13:53:15 2009 Aug 13 08:15:23 Daramarak: and yes if it's really the kernel you use it's mad old and you're supposed to use the newest kernel, you can get one from shr unstable. Aug 13 08:17:24 PaulFertser: But this is the kernel from http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ isn't it? Or am I completly lost here? Aug 13 08:18:27 Daramarak: i've no idea what you have installed and i've no idea what exactly nytowl (Angus) puts in that directory. A good guess would be that the git hash you gave me is the latest commit included. Aug 13 08:21:35 PaulFertser: I think it is strange if Testing is using a very old kernel, but perhaps the file name points to the wrong git revision. Anyway, ill try to use the shr one. But what is this about untar'ing the modules. So i'll have to upgrade after flashing also? Aug 13 08:24:00 Daramarak: what? First, download and untar (to /) the modules Aug 13 08:24:09 Daramarak: then switch to the new kernel. Aug 13 08:24:16 Daramarak: you want SHR Unstable, not testing. Aug 13 08:27:03 PaulFertser: Ah, ok I misunderstood. I flashed a tar'ed image once, ill not do it again. Unstable, not Testing, ill remember that. Thank you very much, appreciate that you took the time. Aug 13 08:28:05 Daramarak: you're welcome Aug 13 08:28:29 To start hacking instead of messing with windows networking Aug 13 08:28:30 ;) Aug 13 08:45:27 PaulFertser: I know, have been in linux heaven the whole vacation, now I am back to windows hell! And that is not only the networking... Aug 13 08:47:58 Daramarak: i know :( i even know some windows api :( and i think i know more about windows ACLs than almost any windows admin :( Aug 13 08:50:38 PaulFertser: Yeah, the apis I know too well. But I have forgotten everything about the ACL and security descriptors at all. Aug 13 08:51:01 PaulFerster: I am so done with managing win networks. Aug 13 08:57:48 Daramarak: in fact that SD stuff is not that bad, just overcomplicated. What sucks is that to really understand that shit i had to go through numerous msdn pages (for developers, not even administrators!), the information is too sparse... Aug 13 09:05:52 PaulFertser: Just thinking about it makes it all come back to me. Stop it please :D I luckly had some books when I needed it. Aug 13 09:07:16 Daramarak: i just can't understand why the hell there's no user/admin documentation for such a common task. Also the gui permissions editor "fakes" some ACEs (by showing a "combined" ACE). Aug 13 09:07:27 Daramarak: ok, i stop, sorry. Aug 13 09:11:44 PaulFertser: I almost started to rant my self, but I got busy reading the ML GPS NMEA sentences over serial port. Entertaining :) Aug 13 09:12:47 Daramarak: you mean that weird conversation at devel ML? I can't understand how a programmer can be so strange :-/ Aug 13 09:13:22 Daramarak: PaulFertser: odd question: is it possible to use GPS to detect if we are outside or in a cellar where there is no GPS coverage? I don't get signal strength indicators until there is fix (which I never get in a cellar!) Aug 13 09:14:05 lindi-: can't you assume you're in a cellar when there's no fix? Aug 13 09:16:15 to detect on the phone, or to detect remotely? Aug 13 09:19:17 PaulFertser: but I can not do that deduction without having to wait for a long time Aug 13 09:19:20 PaulFertser: I mean just that conversation yes :) Aug 13 09:20:17 lindi: What about counting satelites, got 0, are in the cellar, got more than zero but no fix, you are outside. Aug 13 09:21:55 Daramarak: the latest mail he sent directly to me where he continues with insanity and now says that: "I think I need to use two USB to serial converter (one for the laptop and one for the FR)" I'm out of ideas what to say him... Aug 13 09:22:27 lindi: considered installing a passive repeater in the basement? Aug 13 09:23:01 not sure how well it would work for GPS, but it works for CDMA/GSM Aug 13 09:23:37 one of my offices has a server room in the basement, and we stuck a passive repeater in there so techs would get signal Aug 13 09:26:02 PaulFertser: :D It looks like he is determined to do this in a very complicated way. I wouldn't count on that you manage to change his mind. Aug 13 09:28:33 Daramarak: counting satellites could work yes Aug 13 09:28:34 when somebody want to do something complicated and don't listen to easy solution then propose even more complicated solutions Aug 13 09:30:21 openmoko: 03werner * r5432 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (9 files): Aug 13 09:30:21 openmoko: - added the usual COLOR_ prefix also to TOOL_SELECTED/TOOL_UNSELECTED Aug 13 09:30:21 openmoko: - instantiate_meas if a mesurements has no samples, do the next one, don't stop Aug 13 09:30:21 openmoko: completely Aug 13 09:30:21 openmoko: - when instantiation fails, the corresponding vector, object, or loop is now Aug 13 09:30:22 openmoko: marked red in the variables/items list. Aug 13 09:30:51 nullix: Sounds like a good way. Either he gets the point, or you get the entertainment :) Aug 13 09:38:32 Daramarak: well, i replied to his mail ;) Aug 13 09:42:23 PaulFertser: :D Aug 13 09:54:50 :c Aug 13 10:07:24 is there a seperate shr channel ? Aug 13 10:07:36 no Aug 13 10:08:49 neither separate either desesperate. Aug 13 10:09:55 I'm running shr-u lite-om-gta02.jffs downloaded yesterday (mainly because the full failed to boot) and now I cannot do opkg get not found Aug 13 10:11:04 ignore "get" above, phantom typist Aug 13 10:12:27 hipitihop: opkg-cl Aug 13 10:12:31 I haven't used opkg for a while but getting "-sh: opkg: not found" am I doing something stupid ? Aug 13 10:12:39 hipitihop: the symlink was lost due to an error Aug 13 10:12:53 hipitihop: opkg-cl update; opkg-cl upgrade should solve that Aug 13 10:13:19 hi, how do I import POI from tangogps in JOSM? Aug 13 10:13:21 Be prepared to break the thing partially throgh because even with some swap space, you'll get "fork failed" errors Aug 13 10:13:41 PaulFertser: I see thanks... is it safe with above image ? I notice topic says don't do upgrade Aug 13 10:13:56 hipitihop: afaik now it is safe to upgrade Aug 13 10:14:08 * jjwc upgraded last night and his phone is working. Aug 13 10:14:13 hipitihop: yes jjwc is right, turn off X before doing Aug 13 10:14:20 hipitihop: and frameworkd Aug 13 10:14:24 hipitihop: to free more mem Aug 13 10:15:23 Someone on the lists actually suggested sending an interrupt after a while and then running the upgrade process again, too. Aug 13 10:17:49 ok have to show I only know enough to be dangerous.. can you give me command or point me somewhere to tun off x and frameworkd ? Aug 13 10:18:17 hipitihop: /etc/init.d/frameworkd stop , etc.. Aug 13 10:18:24 frameworkd is just a daemon, you'll find its control script in /etc/init.d Aug 13 10:18:29 Bah.. Aug 13 10:19:28 hipitihop: ah, X stop is nodm stop Aug 13 10:21:12 PaulFertser: frameworkd now stopped. can't find nodm though Aug 13 10:23:02 PaulFertser: ahh xserver-nodm Aug 13 10:25:09 openmoko: 03werner * r5433 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/fix-eeschema-libs.patch: This one also made it into mainline. Aug 13 10:28:10 * hipitihop upgrading Aug 13 10:31:05 * hipitihop notices opkg link coming through in upgrade Aug 13 10:31:29 :) Aug 13 10:32:01 upgrade completed without a hitch, maybe because I'm on lite not full Aug 13 10:32:38 I guess now I just restart those services or better to complete restart ? Aug 13 10:34:07 restart Aug 13 10:34:10 And hope. :) Aug 13 10:34:28 hipitihop: yes, if you're unsure, reboot Aug 13 10:36:22 while I wait, is there a shr page which lists the diffs between lite and full ? Aug 13 10:37:23 hipitihop: yes, I know there is one... Don't remember where. Aug 13 10:37:34 I think it's a click or two away from the homepage. Aug 13 10:37:45 * hipitihop does the old wiki search Aug 13 10:39:39 well reboot worked fine so all seems good, I see date/time gets lost still Aug 13 10:40:06 hipitihop: does gsm work? Aug 13 10:42:01 Guys, can someone explain arne arka from community ML that FSO_Resources wiki page is actually understandable and useful and that he just doesn't get it? I'm so tired of all that useless talks :-/ Aug 13 10:43:14 Hi! When will be the expected/estimated release of OpenMoko OM 2009? Aug 13 10:43:31 Mathias2: who cares Aug 13 10:43:40 * Mathias2 cares. Aug 13 10:44:08 Mathias2: why? Aug 13 10:44:29 I would really like to use my freerunner finally. Aug 13 10:44:41 Mathias2: you don't need a release for that Aug 13 10:44:55 What do you suggest? Aug 13 10:45:34 Mathias2: shr unstable Aug 13 10:45:38 ok, thx Aug 13 10:45:39 Mathias2: or OM2009 unstable Aug 13 10:45:49 Mathias2: or you can get shr unstable and install Paroli there. Aug 13 10:46:22 Mathias2: anyway om2009 is now very low on manpower and i don't understand Angus's plans. So i bet on SHR. Or Debian ;) Aug 13 10:46:24 PaulFertser: seems to.. dialed another mobile and it rang Aug 13 10:46:30 hipitihop: kewl Aug 13 10:47:15 PaulFertser: It seems like I have to check out all of these, at least SHR and Debian. Aug 13 10:49:01 SHR not only feels fairly stable (well, unless it breaks), but it also uses bleeding edge software. Aug 13 10:49:21 I've tested out lots of distributions and keep coming back to that. Hopefully, I can get involved with development there. Aug 13 10:49:51 As much as I like what panicking is dong with Android, there are a lot of showstopper bugs that make it somewhat unusable. Aug 13 10:50:07 PaulFertser: morning Aug 13 10:50:08 PaulFertser: What is it you don't understand with plans of om2009? Aug 13 10:50:34 DocScrutinizer: good afternoon :) Aug 13 10:50:56 Daramarak: i don't understand a thing about om2009 ;) I just can't see what Angus is after. Aug 13 10:51:14 afternoon is no valid time-value ;-) Aug 13 10:51:52 at least here and today Aug 13 10:52:01 :D Aug 13 10:52:07 "at" agrees Aug 13 10:52:20 lol Aug 13 10:52:53 PaulFertser: Ok, because I have been running om200x all the way, and I am very interested in its future. Aug 13 10:53:21 Daramarak: ask nytowl when you see him next time. It looks like he's the only one maintaining it. Aug 13 10:53:39 Daramarak: and i fail to see why doesn't he want to join SHR and maintain Paroli there instead. Aug 13 10:54:21 PaulFertser: Ok, I can see that point if the distro has so poor support. Aug 13 10:54:55 OM - corporate - is basically doing nothing related to the OM software? Aug 13 10:56:07 PaulFertser: teatime is, for at. iirc. ;D bloody britains Aug 13 10:57:41 openmoko: 03werner * r5434 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (gui_frame.c inst.c inst.h): Aug 13 10:57:41 openmoko: - objects selected via the item view can now be edited directly, even if no Aug 13 10:57:41 openmoko: instance is found. This allows recovery from mistakes where a failing item Aug 13 10:57:41 openmoko: never gets instantiated. Aug 13 11:06:54 io um q -> q any good twitter clients for twitter Aug 13 11:10:53 d-b: i think there's elmdentica for identi.ca Aug 13 11:11:20 PaulFertser: twitter... Aug 13 11:11:42 d-b: it sucks afaik ;) Aug 13 11:11:45 * d-b is not in a coding mood atm Aug 13 11:11:50 cu Aug 13 11:14:53 what anout tweetmoko? Aug 13 11:15:12 twittermoko* Aug 13 11:32:41 the shr post install script on the wiki sets vLANGUAGE="de" that German afaik what's the default english ? Aug 13 12:07:30 jc: ping Aug 13 12:07:51 PaulFertser: pong Aug 13 12:08:36 jc: so, what about stopping to forge Reply-To header on the community ML? I'm still quite frustrated because of that :-/ Now you can do whatever you want i guess, since you're not employed by OM, right? Aug 13 12:09:47 jc: users should be educated, sooner or later. I'm quite tired of all those who can't understand a thing... Aug 13 12:10:15 jc: if you're still unconvinced please read http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html ;) Aug 13 12:10:16 PaulFertser: what is it you've been riled up about? Aug 13 12:10:28 ndnihil: read the link and you'll see ;) Aug 13 12:10:41 been glancing over every so often while coding/watching planet of the apes cartoon Aug 13 12:11:13 reading Aug 13 12:11:38 ndnihil: btw, i'm the kind of guy who usually finds reasons to be riled no matter what... :( Aug 13 12:12:09 that'll give you ulcers Aug 13 12:12:16 I learned that lesson the hard way Aug 13 12:13:00 ndnihil: ohh :( Aug 13 12:14:34 ndnihil: i usually don't get nervous, just depressed, so probably my faith is some other illness ;) Aug 13 12:15:17 your link to the definition of munge is broken Aug 13 12:15:22 can't find the server at www.fwi.uva.nl. Aug 13 12:16:41 ndnihil: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html ? this one Aug 13 12:16:50 yep Aug 13 12:17:36 Ah, the link on the page. It's not my page anyway. Community list just adds reply-to header pointing to itself to every mail it sends. Aug 13 12:17:42 ah Aug 13 12:18:28 PaulFertser: you simply won't put up with this? ;-D Aug 13 12:18:50 guy, you won't change the world Aug 13 12:19:01 DocScrutinizer: i just can't see a reason to continue doing the wrong thing. Also some users keep PMing me without any decent reason. Aug 13 12:19:28 hehehehe Aug 13 12:20:27 they wouldn't if you would not post to community anyway. I can tell by real experience ;) Aug 13 12:22:34 PaulFertser: the small incorrect part in your statement is: nobody is doing anything, it's a static situation. that's probably the point why neither you nor anybody else will change it anytime soon :) Aug 13 12:26:49 DocScrutinizer: the mailing list software is doing that nasty thing. Aug 13 12:27:35 the sw is immune to agruments of any kind ;-) Aug 13 12:27:56 it can be a minor annoyance, but I don't see it as that big a deal Aug 13 12:28:59 it's not *right* and that makes it a big thing to Paul. I can understand that notion Aug 13 12:29:12 certainly Aug 13 12:29:39 anybody knows how to dump contacts from sim card? Aug 13 12:30:13 mdbus -s foo bar Aug 13 12:30:21 no idea here Aug 13 12:30:31 I'm pretty particular about following the RFC's myself (I run public facing mail servers), but I see it more as the same type of annoyance that differences in forum software have Aug 13 12:30:55 I prefer using some types of forum software than others Aug 13 12:31:32 but unless I were heavily involved, I probably wouldn't bother arguing the change Aug 13 12:32:04 more of a user experience thing than a necessary functionality Aug 13 12:36:57 i've found a page a few weeks ago showing how to open the freerunner to apply a screen protector, but I can't find it now, does somebody knows one ? Aug 13 12:38:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Jerjozwik#Scripts_Used Aug 13 12:38:12 sim contacts backup, btw Aug 13 12:49:18 I notice the SHRpostinstalation.sh install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/841/pisi_0.3_armv4t.ipk I thought pisi 0.4 was out Aug 13 13:04:59 any one familar with midpath? Aug 13 13:47:17 What I'm getting from the ML discussions is that Wifi will work fine as long as you completely powercycle the module between sessions. Is this correct? Aug 13 13:48:52 Right now, the first time I use it, Wifi works great. After that, it kernel panics. Aug 13 13:51:18 Digital_Pioneer: good, panics should be easy Aug 13 13:51:36 Digital_Pioneer: what kernel, what message? file bug Aug 13 13:52:11 message on panic? Aug 13 13:52:35 yep Aug 13 13:52:58 lindi-: No idea what message, it panics before I can get one. Aug 13 13:53:10 still no ramconsole enabled by default :-/ Aug 13 13:53:14 Kernel is 2.6.29 from SHR-U Aug 13 13:53:19 Digital_Pioneer: use ramconsole patch i wrote Aug 13 13:53:47 Digital_Pioneer: is it the case (panic) even if you use wifi the way i propose? Aug 13 13:54:35 PaulFertser: If you're referring to the discussion on the ML, my question is confirming the proposal for using Wifi. :P Aug 13 13:55:01 It sounds like Wifi should work OK as long as you completely power down the module between sessions. Is this correct? Aug 13 13:55:10 Digital_Pioneer: i mean use exactly like i suggest "fsoraw ... wpa_supplicant ..." Do you get kernel panics that way? Aug 13 13:55:21 Digital_Pioneer: there're other gotchas :( Aug 13 13:55:32 Haven't tried it yet, I'm just trying to make sure I know what to try. :D Aug 13 13:56:38 I use Nwa to connect, not wpa_supplicant. Shouldn't make a difference, as long as I keep nwa running during my session... Aug 13 13:57:27 Digital_Pioneer: it might! Aug 13 13:57:31 I was highly impressed with nwa. I launched it the first time, it scanned and connected to my network completely automatically. :D Aug 13 13:57:53 It's an open network, so it could do that. Not my choice. :P Aug 13 13:59:08 So using fsoraw should turn on the wifi chip, then turn it off when I'm done, correct? Aug 13 13:59:28 Digital_Pioneer: the point is that if you power on, start wpa_supplicant, then when you don't need it anymore, kill supplicant and it powers off then everything usually works. But nwa can do more than that. Aug 13 14:00:28 PaulFertser: Indeed. Aug 13 14:01:02 PaulFertser: But we won't know until I try! :) Aug 13 14:03:07 PaulFertser: lindi: could we get a default-ramconcole eventually? Aug 13 14:04:29 i am not sure wht else i could do to it actually Aug 13 14:06:30 lindi-: i'd like to integrate it btw. Probably i even will. Aug 13 14:09:16 !! Holy crap... Nwa actually just connected to my university's encrypted network... Aug 13 14:09:27 NOTHING can connect to the encrypted network... :P Aug 13 14:09:36 (My laptop can, but that's about it) Aug 13 14:10:02 Pretty much everyone on campus knows vista is incapable of it, it's a nightmare in XP.... And my phone can do it. Hahahah Aug 13 14:10:13 Digital_Pioneer: what's so special about it? Aug 13 14:10:27 is there an automatic screen rotation program that works for SHR I tried accel-rotate but it does nothing Aug 13 14:11:59 PaulFertser: Something along the lines of WPA2 enterprise using PEAP with GTC. Aug 13 14:12:38 It uses a username/password login instead of a passkey. That alone throws a lot of devices off. Aug 13 14:13:30 Digital_Pioneer: i thought wpa_supplicant has no problems with stuff like that. Aug 13 14:13:59 PaulFertser: It doesn't, so long as wicd writes the config. Aug 13 14:14:02 :P Aug 13 14:14:10 I can't write a wpa_supp config if my life depends on it. Aug 13 14:14:17 Digital_Pioneer: :-o Aug 13 14:14:51 Digital_Pioneer: i've never used anything except vim and wpa_passphrase to get me a working wpa_supplicant.conf Aug 13 14:19:55 PaulFertser: Well I've tried that, but never got it working. :( Aug 13 14:20:09 PaulFertser: wicd does it quite nicely though. Aug 13 14:22:32 PaulFertser: I can't seem to power down the wifi module after finishing with it. Aug 13 14:35:24 Digital_Pioneer: ? Aug 13 14:35:44 Digital_Pioneer: as soon as fsoraw exits, frameworkd unbinds the driver and that powers off the module. Aug 13 14:38:54 PaulFertser: Right, that's the idea. But in shr-settings, wifi is on and I can't turn it off. Aug 13 14:40:03 PaulFertser: Any console commands I can run to get an idea what's going on? Aug 13 14:40:08 Digital_Pioneer: do not turn it on ever with shr-settings then Aug 13 14:40:21 Digital_Pioneer: yes, i've some ;) Aug 13 14:40:28 PaulFertser: I didn't. I turned it on with fsoraw Aug 13 14:40:44 Digital_Pioneer: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/raw-attachment/ticket/461/lsfsor.py Aug 13 14:40:49 PaulFertser: shr-settings merely reflects that it is indeed on, but it won't turn off. Aug 13 14:45:03 Digital_Pioneer: so, what lsfsor.py gives? Aug 13 15:03:17 Digital_Pioneer: if something else tuned wifi on then shr-settings won't be able to turn it off Aug 13 15:06:29 nwa beats the shit out of mofi, that's for sure Aug 13 15:06:46 * ndnihil tests with his AP that nothing on the FR has worked with yet Aug 13 15:38:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re2d9ce1b8baa 10/fsousaged/ (10 files in 6 dirs): fsousaged: add skeleton for lowlevel plugins implementing suspend/resume handling Aug 13 15:51:42 dos1: Ahhhhh. Aug 13 15:52:00 ndnihil: Yeah, nwa is freaking awesome. :P Aug 13 15:52:16 still wont connect to my AP here Aug 13 15:52:27 Sad. Aug 13 15:52:35 ndnihil: some APs are just not usable with ar6001 it seems :( Aug 13 15:52:46 It connects to my university's encrypted network, so it passes the ultimate test. LOL Aug 13 15:52:57 ndnihil: i've seen one of those. It can be scaned but never associates. Aug 13 15:52:58 this is an atheros card with hostapd in an embedded machine Aug 13 15:53:03 works great with my laptop Aug 13 15:53:11 running debian etch Aug 13 15:53:13 Unfortunately, nwa _did_ have its own dark theme, but that's gone now. :( Aug 13 15:53:20 It's just default Qt. Aug 13 15:53:24 Doesn't look as good. Aug 13 15:53:57 its dark on mine Aug 13 15:54:05 when I run it via ssh it's light and ugly Aug 13 15:54:11 Ahhhhhh. Aug 13 15:54:12 but when I use the desktop icon it's dark Aug 13 15:54:16 That must be it. Aug 13 15:54:31 Strange. My phone is running, but I can't start anything. Aug 13 15:54:41 And I can't SSH in, though it returns pings. Aug 13 15:55:28 hmmm i have build a rootfs with buildroot, i have installed openssh (via make menuconfig) but when i boot on the SD, i can't connect with SSH on the FreeRunner :/, do we need to configure or do something ? Aug 13 15:56:20 * Digital_Pioneer gives up, performs cold reset. Aug 13 15:56:47 gabriel: g_ether kernel module missing? Aug 13 15:57:44 gabriel: also you're supposed to set usb0 ip somewhere (/etc/network/interfaces ?) Aug 13 15:58:00 PaulFertser, i can ping the FR, i have configured /etc/nework/interfaces Aug 13 15:58:21 but when i want ssh root@ip -> connection refused Aug 13 15:58:30 root or defaut Aug 13 15:58:39 gabriel: probably it binds only to some interfaces, not including usb0 Aug 13 15:59:14 if i can ping my FreeRunner, it's mean that is ok for usb0 no ? Aug 13 15:59:41 gabriel: it means that usb0 is up and running, yes. But it doesn't mean openssh listens on that interface. Aug 13 16:00:04 yes, but how can i do to check if openssh is listening ? Aug 13 16:00:14 gabriel: netstat -a ? Aug 13 16:00:23 but i can't connect to the freerunner Aug 13 16:00:50 gabriel: add to some bootscript after the openssh invocation and see result on LCD. Aug 13 16:00:51 via /etc/init.d ? Aug 13 16:01:52 i think, all script in /etc/init.d are not executed Aug 13 16:02:22 i tried to echo "test" >> /home/test.log in a script, but after the boot, nothing in /home/ Aug 13 16:02:24 OK. I need a GMail client for my FR. :) Aug 13 16:02:38 Digital_Pioneer: that's mutt ;) Aug 13 16:02:43 Web browser is OK, but it's going to have to be able to remember passwords. Aug 13 16:02:47 claws, gmail does imap or pop Aug 13 16:02:54 PaulFertser: mutt is CLI, no? Aug 13 16:04:21 Also, what's the best web browser for FR? I use midori now, but it takes forever to start. Aug 13 16:04:43 Digital_Pioneer: no, it's console full screen app. Aug 13 16:04:45 dillo is nice and quick Aug 13 16:04:56 but it doesn't do javascript Aug 13 16:05:41 ndnihil: Need my Javascript. Aug 13 16:08:16 OK, after nwa exits, wifi stays on because eth0 stays up. Aug 13 16:08:30 If I run `ifconfig eth0 down` it segfaults. Aug 13 16:08:38 Next time I run ifconfig, it locks. Aug 13 16:08:50 yeah, I get quirky behavior like that too Aug 13 16:09:00 stopped after checking the scan_ssid box for that AP Aug 13 16:09:14 still wont connect though Aug 13 16:09:15 Entire phone gets shot. GUI still works (huh?) and I can click icons, it says "loading" and all, but then times out and the app never starts. Aug 13 16:09:28 yep, and a shutdown/reboot hangs Aug 13 16:09:33 and you have to pop the battery out? Aug 13 16:09:35 Yup Aug 13 16:09:47 Well, no, I hold the power button for 8 secs and it shuts off. Aug 13 16:10:02 yeah, been getting that almost every time I try getting it to connect to this one AP Aug 13 16:10:08 open AP's are no problem at all Aug 13 16:10:09 Odd. Aug 13 16:10:36 ah, laptop back from warranty service, hope its more stable now and don't die all the time Aug 13 16:13:58 ndnihil: Yeah, look at the command in /usr/share/applications/nwa.desktop -- it has a bunch of theme-setting stuff. Aug 13 16:16:34 Yup. It's fine to connect to wireless ONCE, but as soon as you close nwa, you better not open it again until having rebooted. Aug 13 16:17:21 Strangely enough, you can do whatever the heck you want during that first NWA session. But close it, and you need to reboot before reconnecting. Aug 13 16:17:30 Workaround: just don't close nwa. Aug 13 16:17:44 It can suspend, resume, change APs, no problem. Aug 13 16:17:51 Just don't close nwa. Aug 13 16:27:15 Digital_Pioneer: probably when you close nwa it does ifconfig down and _that_ triggers the kernel bug. Aug 13 16:28:00 PaulFertser: Could be. If I do it myself, it segfaults once, then the next time it bricks out most everything. Aug 13 16:36:15 Digital_Pioneer: it would be nice to get feedback on plain fsoraw+wpa_supplicant method Aug 13 16:36:58 PaulFertser: :| I need a conf for that. Aug 13 16:37:00 hmmmm inittab isn't parse by busybox, strange Aug 13 16:37:14 ...I should be able to use my laptop's wpa_supp conf, no? Aug 13 16:37:31 Digital_Pioneer: sure Aug 13 16:42:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r74faa2ad19a0 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/object.vala: libfsoframework: object: show name of logger domain on debug Aug 13 16:42:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7322a9dae3b0 10/fsousaged/src/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Aug 13 16:42:42 freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: controller: infrastructure for lowlevel plugin done. To add a certain plugin as lowlevel suspend/resume plugin, you have to do the following: Aug 13 16:42:42 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Make it loaded at all by adding its name to the conf file, e.g. [fsousage.lowlevel_kernel26] or [fsousage.lowlevel_openmoko] Aug 13 16:42:44 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Chose which plugin to use for suspend/resume in [fsousaged] by adding (e.g.) Aug 13 16:42:46 freesmartphone.org: lowlevel_type = kernel26 Aug 13 16:42:48 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: kernel26 is the default, if the lowlevel_type entry is not present. Aug 13 16:42:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7da7a6749aa3 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala: fsousaged: controller: use DBus constants as defined in fsoframework-2.0.vapi Aug 13 17:22:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r41f9525fd241 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/lowlevel_openmoko/plugin.vala: fsousaged: lowlevel_openmoko: detect reason and subreason from sysfs Aug 13 17:38:40 hi Aug 13 17:38:59 anyone knows how to select gsm network manually in Om2008.12? Aug 13 18:39:45 Hi does onyaone know if the greenphone headset works on a freerunner too ? Aug 13 19:16:18 la la la Aug 13 19:17:03 singin your song? Aug 13 19:27:25 is there a way to have the top led blinking/turned on when there is an unread message/missing call ? Aug 13 19:35:24 in shr? Maybe you can extended notifier to do that.... should be fairly easy Aug 13 19:37:00 yes in SHR Aug 13 19:37:49 Zeroedout: i don't know extended notifier ... what is it ? Aug 13 19:39:19 if you're using SHR, notifier is that app that shows you a call of message has been missed. I think it's written in python, by extend, i meant add a line of code to make the LED blink Aug 13 19:39:29 *call or message Aug 13 19:39:44 Zeroedout: i've understand too late Aug 13 19:39:47 :) Aug 13 19:39:55 will see, thanks Aug 13 19:40:19 on a completely unrelated note, I gave up trying to work around the current Debian installer's issues and am now restoring a backup to my SD card of a previous debian install. fun :) Aug 13 19:41:41 ghetto. are they using the new version of frameworkd? Aug 13 19:49:30 I don't think so, not yet. I'm thinking of starting to run the fso tools directly from git Aug 13 19:49:38 openmoko: 03werner * r5435 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (6 files): Update for KiCad revision 1923, by Nathael Pajani. Aug 13 19:50:43 hrm, how can i select a specific gsm network with ophonekitd? Aug 13 19:54:04 not too sure, but if it's not ovious, I would appreciate having the answer put on the wiki.... or if you're feeling lazy, pm it to me and I can add it later :) Aug 13 20:15:35 Wonka: shr-settings -> Phone Aug 13 20:15:53 :) Aug 13 20:16:18 Zeroedout, laotseu: when using opimd making LED blinking on missed events is as simple as adding ~3 lines to rules.yaml Aug 13 20:17:00 but default SHR apps don't use opimd yet :( Aug 13 20:17:20 (but we want to rewrite soon, with proper design and opimd support) Aug 13 20:19:48 Interesting that it's so much 'cleaner' to rotate the screen 180° than 90°. Aug 13 20:27:37 dos1: thanks for this information Aug 13 20:36:11 dos1: hm, I do not find anything there Aug 13 20:41:06 dos1: "gsm antenna" slider is on "off" although illume shows a signal strength Aug 13 20:41:28 Wonka: that's ok, illume don't care about turning off gsm atm Aug 13 20:41:48 which reminds me... there was some work about new gsm signal meter Aug 13 20:41:54 i have to ask what happened with that Aug 13 20:42:16 still, i dont see any way to select other networks Aug 13 20:43:48 Wonka: hmm? i though it's obvious... Aug 13 20:43:54 Wonka: "Operators" button Aug 13 20:44:03 s/though/thought/ Aug 13 20:45:23 dos1: there is none... Aug 13 20:45:38 Wonka: if you turned gsm off then there is none ;P Aug 13 20:45:40 i hope it's not because i ran ophonekitd from debian in a chroot... Aug 13 20:45:51 i didn't Aug 13 20:45:54 oh Aug 13 20:45:58 yup, chroot can cause that Aug 13 20:46:07 you need to run shr-settings from chroot too then Aug 13 20:46:11 i just turned it on before Aug 13 20:46:17 i did Aug 13 20:46:45 last try was killing ophonekitd, running shr-settings Aug 13 20:47:54 it asked if it should start ophonekit, i acked thar, it did - started phonemodule after enteringpin Aug 13 20:48:07 still no operators button Aug 13 20:48:24 maybe reboot to real shr? Aug 13 20:48:51 is this the place to ask about shr functionality? Aug 13 20:52:19 elopio: hmmm Aug 13 20:52:22 among others Aug 13 20:52:24 try there :-) Aug 13 20:52:39 received exception org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.NotReady: Antenna powered off or SIM not unlocked yet Aug 13 20:52:46 mh. why? Aug 13 20:54:23 Wonka: that's probably problem with your chroot configuration Aug 13 20:54:43 Wonka: selecting networks was one of first features implemented in shr-settings ;D Aug 13 21:23:25 hi, i installed gvsig but when i try to start application i have this error: ava.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-gtk-3448 or swt-gtk in swt.library.path, java.library.path or the jar file Aug 13 21:23:35 any idea for resolve this problem? Aug 13 21:25:37 latest opkg upgrade seems to solve the problems related to non-talkative gsm in shr Aug 13 21:25:48 perhaps the topic should be updated? Aug 13 21:28:36 i have image released of 29 July Aug 13 21:29:31 my fault , i forgetten to install libswt3.4-gtk-jni package :) Aug 13 21:29:39 geaaru: you need to install some package with gtk support for java, yes :) Aug 13 21:41:46 but for gvsig there are maps to load? Aug 13 21:44:31 did an update and upgrade yesterday, but I can't get shr-settings up, and phone isn't registering http://www.pastebin.org/8867 Aug 13 21:45:19 sorry [SHR] Aug 13 21:46:03