**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 15 02:59:59 2009 Aug 15 04:45:06 whatisit Aug 15 05:22:59 the freerunner has a usb port right, so i could easily plug in a keyboard..? Aug 15 05:23:46 it's a mini-usb - so you'd need adapters Aug 15 05:24:15 and it's not typically in "Host" mode - IIRC Aug 15 05:46:26 Hi Aug 15 06:02:48 I've got two days ago my second Neo. The gsm ist not working properly. Neo cannot connect to it. I've flashed the whole Neo now to 2009 with qi and moko11 firmware, but the problem still exit (used uSD update procedure). The Mickeyterm is working but only simple at command returns an "OK". All others answers with an "ERROR" incl. ati. My first Neo did not have these problem with the same... Aug 15 06:02:49 ...firm/software-release and the sims I've tested. Aug 15 06:12:24 ok, AT+CGMR gives now the same result on my both neos. But sim registration is not working. Get Errors at startup: Aug 15 06:12:26 "can't init service GSM: TimeOut" Aug 15 06:12:27 "can't init service Gprs: waiting for service GSM failed" Aug 15 06:12:29 "can't init service TopBar: waiting for service Gprs failed" Aug 15 06:12:30 "can't init service Audio: waiting for service GSM failed" Aug 15 06:12:32 "can't init service SIM: waiting for service GSM failed" Aug 15 06:12:34 "can't init service SMS: waiting for service GSM failed" Aug 15 06:12:36 Any idea? Possible I got an broken Neo? Aug 15 06:12:48 tried re-seating the sim card? Aug 15 06:13:06 I had to stick a layer or two of tape on the back of mine to add thickness Aug 15 06:18:50 i guess u are switching the sim back a forth to test correct? Aug 15 06:29:51 I've used both sims before in my other neo without an problem Aug 15 06:29:53 I will check twice. Aug 15 06:48:05 Both sims are working on my first neo. On the second (the new one) they won't work. Looks like a problem to find a sim. Any what now? Aug 15 06:48:32 sounds like a bad phone Aug 15 06:49:15 Guys, I have a freerunner with SHR, I am trying to make a script which prints a message in the terminal ( vala-terminal ) whenever the terminal is started. In ubuntu and other distros , the script would have to be added in the file /home/user/.bashrc do you know where the equivalent file in SHR is? Aug 15 06:49:51 a list of serial #,s of defective phones would be a smart thing to do Aug 15 06:51:09 8a8906439 Aug 15 06:51:13 daniel32708: /etc/profile Aug 15 06:53:01 I must go to my horse for 2 hours. I will come back. Aug 15 06:53:22 thx ndnihil Aug 15 06:55:14 in SHR which is the standard editor? like vim, gedit, etc ? Aug 15 06:55:24 nano? Aug 15 06:55:43 vi Aug 15 06:55:48 vim is optional Aug 15 06:57:01 nano is there Aug 15 06:57:25 thx Aug 15 07:21:33 http://resources.zdnet.co.uk/articles/comment/0,1000002985,39714325,00.htm Aug 15 07:22:27 wifi wiz Aug 15 07:31:56 CosmicDuck: gsm firmware version? Aug 15 07:32:20 CosmicDuck: ah, sorry, read the backlog... Aug 15 07:48:09 "Make sure your battery never discharges completely." is this issue still a problem? Aug 15 07:48:37 why was that an issue? what happened if it discharged completely? Aug 15 07:50:23 ...because the internal charging circuitry cannot be turned on until the FreeRunner has booted, and booting through USB power alone does not work on A5 and early A6 devices Aug 15 07:51:00 so what did one do in such a case? Aug 15 07:51:34 i dont know Aug 15 08:03:24 is the gps performance problem hardware fixed in the current version of OM? Aug 15 08:14:26 blan: gps performance problem was fixed looong time ago Aug 15 08:14:27 blan: and capacitor on clock line was factory-installed on all A6s. Aug 15 08:14:57 which reminds me, I still need to aquire one of those caps. Aug 15 08:15:16 daniel32708: and yes, A5 couldn't be booted from usb power alone. Moreover current kernel won't boot on any device on usb power anyway. Aug 15 08:15:39 Kamping_Kaiser: are you sure? There's no hard evidence they're required since we have enough workarounds in kernel. Aug 15 08:16:26 PaulFertser: would be nice to have both freerunners in the same hardware configuration (iirc ones a5, one a6) Aug 15 08:16:38 PaulFertser, thanks - are there any problems that could prevent me from buying OM? Aug 15 08:17:18 blan: if you're hacker, no. If you're "end-user", then the FR is not for you. Aug 15 08:18:27 PaulFertser, i want to use it for OSM (GPS) and little Linux-Smartphone Aug 15 08:18:32 blan: of course you're aware that it doesn't support EDGE (plain old gprs), wifi is not 100% compatible with all APs out there, the headset output lacks bass completely, A5, A6 revisions require buzz-fixing, etc. Aug 15 08:20:03 hm okay Aug 15 08:21:29 blan: and that you won't get more than ~70hrs suspend time with GSM on (until you apply #1024 hardware fix) and that in reality it comes down to ~2 days of actually using it. Battery lasts for ~8hrs of GPS mapping. Aug 15 08:21:44 i love my freerunner Aug 15 08:21:56 i have an a6 but it didnt requiere any buzz fix Aug 15 08:22:02 daniel32708: that's a lie Aug 15 08:22:06 buzz fix = ? Aug 15 08:22:20 i am not a lier Aug 15 08:22:24 so dont call me that Aug 15 08:22:32 and yes, i didnt need any Aug 15 08:22:33 daniel32708: the fact you don't have issues with buzz yet means only that you're lucky to not be in a place where it surface. Aug 15 08:22:41 daniel32708: i didn't call you a lier! Aug 15 08:22:42 yes Aug 15 08:22:55 and hence i dont need any buz fix Aug 15 08:22:58 daniel32708: you said your FR didn't require any buzz fix, not you, but your FR. Aug 15 08:23:29 daniel32708: while my experience tells me that any FR (prior to A7) requires buzz fix. The fact _you_ don't need it proves nothing. Aug 15 08:23:50 so i can buy A7? Aug 15 08:23:55 daniel32708: well, s/lie/inaccurate information/, ok? ;) Aug 15 08:24:19 blan: yes, you can. But wired headset will still have buzz, so it's not directly usable for GSM. Aug 15 08:25:01 i think i dont need GSM :) Aug 15 08:25:20 To any who is concerned: I live in Costa Rica, central america, in San Jose (capital city), my provider is the state-owned ICE, is a 1800Mhz.... i have an A6 and it reports no buzz. Other people with A6 here also do not report any buzz. Aug 15 08:25:21 blan: "and little Linux-Smartphone" Aug 15 08:25:46 okay lets tell it a little linux-device Aug 15 08:25:47 :) Aug 15 08:26:00 daniel32708: i hope you know who actually can hear the buzz when it appears, don't you? Aug 15 08:26:42 daniel32708: also you might travel somewhere and then when it appears out-of-nowhere you'll be unpleasantly surprised. Aug 15 08:27:04 We have done: A6 to homephone, A6 to cellphone, A6 to A6, A6 to A7, and viceversa, no one hears any buzz Aug 15 08:27:42 daniel32708: ok, you'le lucky to be in a place like that then. That means _you_ don't need buzz-fix unless you're going to travel. Aug 15 08:27:43 I have also gone to places far from the city, in the country side, and also no buzz reported by the other person Aug 15 08:28:23 yes, my country rules Aug 15 08:30:18 daniel32708: please take no offence. I occasionally call "inaccurate information" to be a "lie" but that doesn't implies that the person saying is a lier. E.g. i tell you some news i saw on TV, that'd be obviously lies but it doesn't make me a lier. Aug 15 08:31:38 dont worry man, its all right Aug 15 08:33:28 am I the only one who has reported that? Aug 15 08:35:49 daniel32708: tbh i don't remember other reports about Costa Rica. OTOH i might have forgotten because i think that every FR that is used as a phone should be buzz-fixed just in case, unless its owner really knows that he won't have troubles with buzz because he won't move/travel somewhere where the buzz always appears. Aug 15 08:36:01 hrm i am indecisive Aug 15 08:38:49 blan: are you comfortable with *nix command line? Aug 15 08:38:58 PaulFertser, yes Aug 15 08:39:30 blan: then i guess you'll like FR. Despite hardware problems and software immaturity, it's still GNU/Linux in your pocket. Aug 15 08:39:40 but I mean reports from other countries Aug 15 08:40:26 PaulFertser, are there really big hardware problems? Aug 15 08:41:41 i wouldnt say there are any real big hardware problems, only the a6 buzz Aug 15 08:41:44 a5 aand a6 Aug 15 08:41:48 blan: i've just told about all i know. I don't consider them big. I have buzz fix, bass fix and #1024 fix applied. If you have someone who can solder you'll apply those too when you need it. Aug 15 08:41:56 but that can be fixed if u have that problem Aug 15 08:42:29 how i have to fix buzz and bass? Aug 15 08:42:46 there is a wiki explaining how Aug 15 08:42:54 blan: bass fix is quite experimental, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Aug 15 08:43:29 blan: for buzz fix there's cool PDF document with description and photos, http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Aug 15 08:44:14 blan: for #1024 i can provide all information needed (if it's not obvious) on request, there's no wikipage about it (yet). Aug 15 08:44:28 what is #1024? Aug 15 08:46:11 BOOO Aug 15 08:46:23 blan: roughly speaking you can't put gsm modem to deep sleep because it looses network when wakes up. This lowers suspend time from ~140 to ~70hrs. Aug 15 08:46:52 hrm Aug 15 08:46:57 okay Aug 15 08:47:22 so and if i dont use gsm? Aug 15 08:47:30 blan: but if you don't use GSM, it doesn't matter. Aug 15 08:47:38 PaulFertser: how's lifw, bro? Aug 15 08:48:22 DocScrutinizer: heh, ok, nothing unusually good or bad :) How's yours? Aug 15 08:48:39 sleepy ;-) Aug 15 08:49:33 I wanted to get up at 9-30am today, in fact left bed at ~12am :) So i'm almost not sleepy already :D Aug 15 08:50:22 hmm so you're gmt+3? Aug 15 08:50:51 PaulFertser, how can i find out which version of OM i buy? Aug 15 08:50:59 DocScrutinizer: indeed gmt+3, UTC+4 currently (DST) Aug 15 08:51:09 blan: your distributor must tell you. Aug 15 08:51:59 blan: most easy: disassemble device (front lid) and look at silk screen print next mic Aug 15 08:52:40 DocScrutinizer, disassemble? i dont own it i want to buy it only Aug 15 08:53:11 You'll also want a torx screwdriver to disassemble. Aug 15 08:53:16 then specify what you want to buy, or ask what reseller is offering Aug 15 08:54:38 yes Aug 15 08:57:31 blan: btw, a short nomenclatura: OM the inc. produces hardware in 2 flavours. both are called Neo, firstname (asian style ;-) FreeRunner and 1973. Both run OM the distro for OS, among debian, android, and others Aug 15 08:58:53 okay, thanks. important for me is debian / gentoo, gps and wifi Aug 15 08:59:24 is the touchscreen comfortable with xfce or gnome? Aug 15 08:59:58 so you might want to buy a neo FR from OM, and replace OM2007 with gentoo ;-) Aug 15 09:00:56 buy a 1973 lol Aug 15 09:01:09 why a 1973? Aug 15 09:01:16 just kidding hehe Aug 15 09:01:22 its old Aug 15 09:01:26 not being sold anymore Aug 15 09:01:35 daniel32708: PaulFertser would like to do that. Seems incredibly difficult to find any Aug 15 09:01:45 u can buy an A6 from openmoko for $250 Aug 15 09:01:59 neo freerunner a6 Aug 15 09:02:25 if u buy 3 , then they will cost 220 and they will give u a free dbord Aug 15 09:02:42 if u buy 5, they will cost 200 each and give u 2 dboards Aug 15 09:03:18 * DocScrutinizer hugs his gta01 Aug 15 09:03:57 * DocScrutinizer hugs his sony scoopman Aug 15 09:04:14 "PCB Revision A7 solves Buzz issue right from factory" Aug 15 09:04:18 http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner Aug 15 09:04:30 why does PaulFertser want to buy an 1973? Aug 15 09:05:12 blan where are u from? Aug 15 09:05:20 Germany Aug 15 09:05:40 i wonder if OM ships there Aug 15 09:06:15 blan: duh, we got the best resellers in the world here in good o'Germany Aug 15 09:06:38 goldelico, pulster, trisoft Aug 15 09:06:45 daniel32708: to be able to fix hardware and software problems. Aug 15 09:07:01 FR from pulster for 199EUR... Aug 15 09:07:39 A6 that is Aug 15 09:07:50 with buzzfix Aug 15 09:08:20 PaulFertser how about ebay? Aug 15 09:09:03 daniel32708: pointer? Aug 15 09:09:16 I got my FR from http://handheld-linux.com/ Aug 15 09:09:28 not now, but if u check constantly u might find it Aug 15 09:09:42 they're sitting in oberhaching near munich Aug 15 09:10:24 blindcoder: that's pulster, no? Aug 15 09:10:38 DocScrutinizer: don't think so Aug 15 09:11:02 DocScrutinizer: pulster.de Aug 15 09:11:14 then goldelico, or trisoft Aug 15 09:11:20 DocScrutinizer: handheld-linux.com is a company called golden delicious Aug 15 09:11:30 I bought from them because my employer is also in oberhaching ;) Aug 15 09:12:10 * Wonka works 20m away from getdigital.de Aug 15 09:12:35 Wonka: I live 20m from a getdigital reseller ;) Aug 15 09:12:46 hrm.. what can i do if the battery is completly discharged? Aug 15 09:12:51 so I just call him and tell him to brign over some stuff ;) Aug 15 09:13:23 blan: (bat) please check very comprehensive wiki for that Aug 15 09:13:48 blindcoder: i can order on getdigitaal.de for takeaway and be there 5min later Aug 15 09:14:06 -a Aug 15 09:14:35 good nite people Aug 15 09:15:08 DocScrutinizer, "On more recent FreeRunners, this problem has been fixed and nothing special need be done." Aug 15 09:15:29 so the A7 can handle it? Aug 15 09:15:43 Wonka: also nice ;) Aug 15 09:16:11 blan: A6 and A7 are the same wrt booting with flat battery. Aug 15 09:16:48 but right now i'd like a ui toolkit in python for X11 that's actually available on debian amd64 and SHR Aug 15 09:16:55 PaulFertser, okay so i dont care about it? Aug 15 09:16:58 Wonka: gtk? Aug 15 09:17:43 blan: yes Aug 15 09:17:46 I'm still getting used to gtk and python. new language, new ui toolkit, and a big app to write :/ Aug 15 09:17:56 elementary at least is not available on debian... Aug 15 09:17:56 bli might work... Aug 15 09:18:06 anyone got a gtk tutorial somewhere? Aug 15 09:18:09 <- lazy Aug 15 09:18:22 blindcoder: what are you writing? Aug 15 09:18:24 Wonka: frag tante google :P Aug 15 09:18:39 Wonka: an offline application for the hackers diet Aug 15 09:18:52 oh, hf Aug 15 09:18:56 thanks :) Aug 15 09:19:06 * Wonka will^Wwants to try to write some GPS app Aug 15 09:19:37 tangogps and omgps both lack some things Aug 15 09:19:49 PaulFertser: blan: (A6 / A7) nope, on A7 we have 100uF for vsys-buffer -> boot always. A6 has 47uF iirc which mostly boots on flat bat, but not always Aug 15 09:19:59 omgp's satellite display is competely bogus... Aug 15 09:20:19 DocScrutinizer, okay thanks Aug 15 09:20:31 DocScrutinizer: ah, i thought A6 had that fixed for sure... Aug 15 09:20:57 DocScrutinizer: anyway that doesn't matter until we have kernel booting in 100mA which we don't yet. Aug 15 09:21:45 PaulFertser: for charging flat bat from wallcharher you bet it matters Aug 15 09:22:25 DocScrutinizer: i'm sorry but i don't understand how to do that exactly Aug 15 09:24:18 PaulFertser: wake up, man! ;-) plug A7 to wallcharger, watch it autoboot and start charging flat bat Aug 15 09:24:30 try to do that with A5 Aug 15 09:25:14 DocScrutinizer: autoboot with u-boot? Does u-boot detect charger? Aug 15 09:25:24 sure Aug 15 09:26:34 one day... i have to do some of the fixes on my FR too... Aug 15 09:26:36 or at least it doesn't care to set usb_curlim to 100mA Aug 15 09:27:08 hi Aug 15 09:28:01 PaulFertser: ATM the whole 100mA thing is so fubar it actually makes FR charge at 500mA from whatever source of power you hook to USB :-P Aug 15 09:30:19 PaulFertser: andy, werner, balaj and others tweaked uBoot and MBC driver so much (without ever testing) so now it all is "broken to a fixed state" Aug 15 09:30:23 almost Aug 15 09:30:56 DocScrutinizer: i don't much care about u-boot, you know ;) As to the in-kernel drivers, they seem to work as expected currently. If not, that's a bug to fix. Aug 15 09:49:14 is the fso documentation outdated? Aug 15 09:49:37 I mean I don't have a namespace like org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP Aug 15 10:16:26 openmoko: 03werner * r5450 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0014/ ecn0014/U4905-circuit.png ecn0014.txt): Aug 15 10:16:26 openmoko: - ECN0014: added motivation and replacement part number Aug 15 10:16:26 openmoko: - ECN0014: added Joerg's BQ24314DSG design Aug 15 10:33:59 openmoko: 03werner * r5451 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0028.txt): - ECN0028: cancelled as too risky Aug 15 10:51:09 PaulFertser: I'm back before I will go to holiday. Old was moko-8, I mean now it's moko-11. Aug 15 10:59:06 openmoko: 03werner * r5452 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ecn0014.txt: - ecn0014: clean up VBAT and discuss naming of nUSB_OC net Aug 15 11:06:27 at+cgmr Aug 15 11:06:29 +CGMR: "GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11" Aug 15 11:06:40 Any idea how i can check more? Aug 15 11:11:31 CosmicDuck: what do you want to check? Aug 15 11:11:58 Ok, possible someone has not seen my description in my backlock. I will repeat: Aug 15 11:14:14 I've got two days ago my second Neo. The gsm ist not working properly. Neo cannot connect to it. I've flashed the whole Neo now to 2009 with qi and moko11 firmware, but the problem still exit (used uSD update procedure). Aug 15 11:14:16 Errors at startup: Aug 15 11:14:18 "can't init service GSM: TimeOut" Aug 15 11:14:20 "can't init service Gprs: waiting for service GSM failed" Aug 15 11:14:21 "can't init service TopBar: waiting for service Gprs failed" Aug 15 11:14:23 "can't init service Audio: waiting for service GSM failed" Aug 15 11:14:25 "can't init service SIM: waiting for service GSM failed" Aug 15 11:14:27 "can't init service SMS: waiting for service GSM failed" Aug 15 11:14:28 I've checked with sims from medion mobile (eplus) and t-online and are working on my first neo. On the second (the new one) they won't work. Looks like a problem to find a sim? Aug 15 11:14:57 Any idea whats could be checked or should I send it back to my dealer for another phone? Aug 15 11:15:18 dejavu Aug 15 11:15:39 ndnihil: You've the same problem? Aug 15 11:15:51 no, but I was here when you pasted the same thing earlier Aug 15 11:16:08 I suggested re-seating the sim Aug 15 11:16:23 but it seems your phone is broken Aug 15 11:17:08 yes it's some hours ago and the only answer was, possible broken. Re-seatting I've tried a couple of times now (by changing the sim with my other neo) Aug 15 11:17:37 is the sim carrier on the new one "loose" compared to the old one? Aug 15 11:19:01 I't is looks like the same. The sim and the carrier looks like non-switched Aug 15 11:19:29 with the pcb Aug 15 11:28:32 CosmicDuck: check bug http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2257 - some things to try and narrow it down Aug 15 11:38:08 thanks. will do this. Aug 15 11:51:09 cosmic gone... bah Aug 15 11:51:44 well, so /me -> brunch and enjoy sun Aug 15 11:52:23 tell cosmic he should probably contact his dealer, if ever he returns to this #chan Aug 15 11:53:19 moko8 - won't that be neo1973 - therefore probably not from dealer? Aug 15 11:53:53 * DocScrutinizer wonders how and why people don't test the device original ootb state for function prior to flashing Qi Aug 15 11:54:21 SpeedEvil: huh? Aug 15 11:54:36 oh Aug 15 11:54:42 I diddn't read all of the scroll Aug 15 11:54:47 ignore me Aug 15 11:54:54 k :-) Aug 15 11:55:02 /ignore SpeedEvil Aug 15 11:55:09 :-P Aug 15 11:56:45 * DocScrutinizer wonders what "The sim and the carrier looks like non-switched" might mean Aug 15 11:57:22 eh, what? Aug 15 11:57:48 CosmicDuck: I't is looks like the same. The sim and the carrier looks like non-switched Aug 15 11:57:48 CosmicDuck: with the pcb Aug 15 11:58:13 ~seen cosmicduck Aug 15 11:58:16 cosmicduck was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 20m 8s ago, saying: 'thanks. will do this.'. Aug 15 11:59:06 oops, /ignore didn't work XD Aug 15 12:00:00 PEBKAC Aug 15 12:00:14 or hw DOA Aug 15 12:00:28 so still PEBKAC Aug 15 12:01:01 as he didn't check with original bl and /, it seems Aug 15 12:02:06 ./proc10;./proctowel Aug 15 12:02:13 argh Aug 15 12:03:05 ./proctowel sounds good, somewhat like Doug Addams Aug 15 12:06:19 I'm trying to get my ISP to sort out my DSL finally - both connections are going fown some 30-60 minutes/day at midnightish. Aug 15 12:06:42 And the above are the logfile processor scripts that I was typing blind because my eyes are tired. Aug 15 12:08:18 ~lart SpeedEvil's ISP Aug 15 12:08:18 * apt decapitates SpeedEvil's ISP conan the destroyer style Aug 15 12:12:35 * SpeedEvil has left the room. (Ping timeout) Aug 15 12:12:38 ls Aug 15 12:12:42 oops :S Aug 15 12:13:40 cat /etc/shadow Aug 15 12:14:17 |xchat Aug 15 12:14:29 ;-P Aug 15 12:16:02 * DocScrutinizer thinks many IrC users seem to have a auto_toFront/setfocus configured on their clients Aug 15 12:17:42 Naah. I have a trackpoint. And very occasionally bang it - clicking to raise while typing Aug 15 12:32:10 * DocScrutinizer has disabled the fsckng trackpad Aug 15 12:32:42 trackpoint. Aug 15 12:32:50 no touchpad Aug 15 12:33:09 It'd be ideal - I just want a way to disable it if I've been typing in the last 100ms. Aug 15 12:33:13 (the click) Aug 15 12:35:45 hmm, the synaptics-tool doesn't work anymore (obslete or sth). so I did (in KHotKeys): Ctrl-Alt-Q: synclient -l|grep "TouchpadOff.*=.*0" && synclient TouchpadOff=1 || synclient TouchpadOff=0 Aug 15 12:37:50 SpeedEvil: dunno if you find anything useful for your trackpoint issue in that Aug 15 12:38:14 bbl Aug 15 12:55:53 SpeedEvil: write daemon for that :D Aug 15 13:06:24 I need to understand first the new input structure of X. Aug 15 13:06:30 They changed it while I wasn't looking. Aug 15 13:15:51 using SHR 20090808, i can't turn bluetooth thru shr-settings (BT section is empty), hcitool dev replies "Devices: " Aug 15 13:16:31 is there a knwon issue / can I turn it on through console ? Aug 15 13:17:14 hcitool will not know unless you've turned on the USB device Aug 15 13:17:24 the bluetooth is not powered Aug 15 13:17:51 SpeedEvil: i think so, how can I turn it on ? Aug 15 13:18:47 I don't know the proper way - echo 1 > /sys/wherever used to be the right way - but that's not really what you want. Aug 15 13:19:04 It should as I understand it be turn-onnable Aug 15 13:19:12 thought hte interface Aug 15 13:19:34 you can turn it on is shr-settings Aug 15 13:20:13 jaj: i can't, in SHR settings the BT section is empty Aug 15 13:21:16 will try to reboot maybe Aug 15 13:22:52 have you upgraded recently? Aug 15 13:24:31 i've flashed SHR 20090808 yesterday and done some modifications this morning, maybe it comes from that Aug 15 13:24:40 it's rebooting Aug 15 13:29:17 great, the BT option is now available! Aug 15 13:29:50 "BT" option"? Aug 15 13:34:42 bluetooth Aug 15 13:43:19 laotseu: hey Aug 15 13:43:23 laotseu: i know the proper method Aug 15 13:43:35 laotseu: please read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources Aug 15 13:43:38 laotseu: twice ;) Aug 15 13:45:13 PaulFertser: :) it works now, i'm just trying to pair my beautiful (http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/8928/) headset :) Aug 15 13:45:39 laotseu: it doesn't matter. I still strongly advice to read that page. Aug 15 13:45:56 laotseu: it is really important to understand thet concept of resources. Aug 15 13:46:11 i'm reading it :) Aug 15 13:49:18 laotseu: do you really have that mad awesome stuff? :O Cool! Aug 15 13:49:38 PaulFertser: yeah, just received it today Aug 15 13:50:13 will send them a "customer action shot" to promote the freerunner ;) Aug 15 13:50:42 laotseu: btw, freerunner can charge the headest as it has a usb host :) Aug 15 13:51:00 yes that's great ! Aug 15 13:51:39 It's also cheap. Aug 15 13:51:50 But they could have put a bigger battery in! Aug 15 13:52:35 laotseu: but using bluetooth headset for gsm is not quite ready yet, it's a bit too difficult (requires writing some script to restart frameworkd and ophonekitd) to switch between handset and bluetooth modes. Also you need to do a special trick after resume to "reassociate" with the headset. Aug 15 14:03:56 in the 2.6.24 kernel sources for jbt6k74: /* FIXME: deep standby causes WSOD on certain devices. We use sleep as workaround */ Aug 15 14:04:47 * Kero thinks he should patch 2.6.29 and try whether that makes a difference... Aug 15 14:15:41 http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/80ce/detail/ love it Aug 15 14:16:16 * SpeedEvil wants a 0-4MHz one. Aug 15 14:16:20 alas it doesn't contain a simple WiFi AP/client functions as it seems Aug 15 14:16:42 SpeedEvil: 0MHz?? o.O Aug 15 14:16:47 I suspect it's probably a reflashed ordinary dongle. Aug 15 14:17:03 To find the cause of my DSL problems. Aug 15 14:17:11 yeah, and they earn treasures on it at 99bucks/1 Aug 15 14:17:13 I suspect it's an external RF source of some sort. Aug 15 14:17:20 but still they deserve it Aug 15 14:17:25 they earn it Aug 15 14:18:18 SpeedEvil: (DSL) very common problem are shortwave broadcast, and ground-loops Aug 15 14:18:41 poweline Aug 15 14:19:07 yea Aug 15 14:19:28 which is eating up the whole shortwave spectrum and drives your radio amateur neighbour mad Aug 15 14:20:15 not powerline DSL Aug 15 14:20:45 nah, you can buy those idiotic network-powerline adapters Aug 15 14:22:05 http://hantzundpartner.com/corinex/index.html#modems Aug 15 14:23:23 your friendly HW-consultant strongly deprecates to ever use that shit Aug 15 14:24:10 or prepare for riots against you by your upset neighbours Aug 15 14:33:16 DocScrutinizer: as a hardware/radio idiot, why is powerline stuff bad? Aug 15 14:35:19 blindcoder: it's a spread-spectrum technology, which means it will emmit RF noise in a range from 100KHz to several MHz, and it uses your complete mains cabling for a very effective antenna to boost out that bulls^H^H^H^H noise Aug 15 14:36:40 blindcoder: don't think about enjoying shortwave broadcast if you or your neighbour operate one of those Aug 15 14:37:28 And AM radio too Aug 15 14:37:55 thanks, that's the word I missed so badly Aug 15 14:45:10 hi Aug 15 14:49:22 DocScrutinizer: I see... ouch :( Aug 15 15:04:09 hi Aug 15 15:04:28 does anyone use matchbox under debian with the fr? Aug 15 15:06:17 ask your problem ;) Aug 15 15:10:37 well, the problem is that the screen goes off after a few seconds, and the only thing I can do to turn it on is to press the power button, force a suspend, and then press it again to bring it back. Pressing the Aux button turns the screen on, but the little lock in the top bar has a red key Aug 15 15:10:53 so it does not respond to touching the screen Aug 15 15:11:09 so: how do I unlock the screen when locked Aug 15 15:11:26 or: is there anything I can do from command line when this happens? Aug 15 15:13:25 in shr unlocking is done by pressing the aux key Aug 15 15:13:32 dunno about debian Aug 15 15:17:22 damkor: how do you lock the screen? Aug 15 15:17:48 not on purpose, just because I do not touch anything for a minute or so Aug 15 15:18:04 damkor: yep but what program do you use for that? Aug 15 15:18:28 I do not know how to answer that Aug 15 15:18:51 what program could I be using for that? Aug 15 15:18:57 damkor: zhone? Aug 15 15:19:12 well, zhone seems to have it's own locking mechanism Aug 15 15:19:20 the whole 1234 panel thing Aug 15 15:19:28 damkor: yes Aug 15 15:19:35 damkor: how could I know you were not talking about that? ;) Aug 15 15:19:47 you couldn't :) Aug 15 15:20:10 yeap, that part works ok, I don't know, but does zhone make the screen go off at some point? Aug 15 15:20:18 like black off? Aug 15 15:20:49 damkor: that'd frameworkd probably Aug 15 15:21:32 I tried disabling using the info in the wiki Aug 15 15:21:49 like setting the idle_ keywords to 0 Aug 15 15:21:59 and setting disabled to 1 in that module Aug 15 15:22:20 to my own surprise, that didn't help Aug 15 15:22:31 which wiki, which module? Aug 15 15:22:53 openmoko's wiki, in the debian page, the suspend section Aug 15 15:24:19 damkor: ok, does it do that if you don't run frameworkd? Aug 15 15:24:45 hmm, I haven't tried that Aug 15 15:25:22 but I did try sending a SIGCONT to frameworkd, and that seemed to help (I can't be sure of this, I sent the SIGCONT to other processes as well) Aug 15 15:27:44 I'll be back later with some answers, thanks for your help Aug 15 15:32:06 * Tanuva definitely needs a better place for his wlan router... Aug 15 15:45:33 DocScrutinizer: i think i've read a story how our ham-radio guys forced some stupid powerline-isp to shutdown by means of proving to our "fcc" they make bad things to ham-radio freq range. Aug 15 15:46:20 cooool. ham radio for the winners Aug 15 15:46:57 powerline ISP is the most stupid thing I can think of Aug 15 15:48:37 that's because the HAMs were the primary user of that freq range... Aug 15 15:48:52 laotseu: so, have you managed to use your headset? Don't forget to add it to the list. Aug 15 15:49:28 PaulFertser: i can't manage to have it paired Aug 15 15:49:36 if the frequency usage plan is changed, they might have to take it Aug 15 15:49:42 laotseu: hm, how do you do that? Aug 15 15:49:56 tried using hcitool Aug 15 15:51:10 laotseu: wrong Aug 15 15:51:19 laotseu: what are you using as a reference? Aug 15 15:51:42 laotseu: the correct instructions are: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner Aug 15 15:52:04 various docs find describing usage of bluetooth headset with linux Aug 15 15:52:18 laotseu: almost all docs are old and bluez3-specific. Aug 15 15:52:33 laotseu: our wiki has some that are uptodate and blue4-compatible. Aug 15 15:53:06 laotseu: and it sounds funny but i'm some kind of bluez4-expert here, so feel free to ping me with problems after you read the wiki. Aug 15 15:54:20 thanks ! Aug 15 16:00:27 jc: ping Aug 15 16:08:04 I've a (simple) question about OE: I have my image recipe with some "things" inside that compile (in my case drivers for xserver). when I comment some of these insode and rerun bitbake continue to include the driver!!! --- How I can to rerun the package for remake the list in the image? Aug 15 16:52:42 Hey, anyone has problems using bluetooth keyboard/mouse with FR? Can you check updated instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#HID_.28Human_Input_Device.29 ? Aug 15 16:53:41 I'm a bit uncertain when exactly uinput should be modprobed. Is it enough to modprobe it anytime or it should be done before connecting to the device or it should be done before even starting bluetoothd. Aug 15 18:25:45 hello all Aug 15 18:31:29 why the shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 not have the opkg? Aug 15 18:34:03 fruct: do you know what jffs2 is? Aug 15 18:34:17 fruct: and do you know what software package is? Aug 15 18:35:01 it SHR package Aug 15 18:37:59 fruct: what is the opkg? Aug 15 18:38:15