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Sep 02 07:10:45 <CIA-7> openmoko: 03werner * r5601 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/ (INFO stdpass.fpd): 
Sep 02 07:10:45 <CIA-7> openmoko: - modules/stdpass.fpd: added over all length measurement
Sep 02 07:10:45 <CIA-7> openmoko: - modules/INFO: added pointer to AVX's version of footprints
Sep 02 07:50:15 <ecraven> hello ;) where can i find the sources of raster's illume keyboard?
Sep 02 08:12:15 <CIA-7> openmoko: 03werner * r5602 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/INFO: Replaced Panasonic reference with a more useful one.
Sep 02 08:32:49 <Wonka> http://www.intomobile.com/2008/07/02/make-your-iphone-virtual-keyboard-look-like-its-macbook-air.html hmmmm
Sep 02 08:42:53 <Graf_Ithaka> hi there :)
Sep 02 12:06:00 <CIA-7> openmoko: 03werner * r5603 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/GETTING-STARTED: 
Sep 02 12:06:00 <CIA-7> openmoko: - documented that we also need the KiCad component library. Based on a patch by
Sep 02 12:06:00 <CIA-7> openmoko:  Timo Juhani Lindfors <timo.lindfors@iki.fi>
Sep 02 12:10:17 <CIA-7> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r54da27bfb44a 10/libfsobasics/ (3 files in 3 dirs): libfsobasics: post-release version bump
Sep 02 12:10:18 <CIA-7> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf8ecb197c73c 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/kobjectnotifier.vala: libfsoframework: silence vala varnings and replace assert_not_reached() with critical()
Sep 02 12:10:43 <CIA-7> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2f8862ba0ee1 10/libfsoframework/configure.ac: libfsoframework: post-release version bump
Sep 02 12:11:35 <CIA-7> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4fbef899321d 10/fsousaged/ (configure.ac src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala): fsousaged: post-release version bump
Sep 02 12:14:26 <CIA-7> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r195c6973e539 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: catch up with libfsoframework; builds again
Sep 02 12:35:26 <fellow> how does one automatically start a application with SHR?
Sep 02 12:35:39 <fellow> (gui application)
Sep 02 12:36:50 <PaulFertser> fellow: add to ~/.xsession ?
Sep 02 12:37:08 <fellow> PaulFertser: i have done this but it has not worke
Sep 02 12:37:09 <fellow> d
Sep 02 12:37:30 <PaulFertser> fellow: ok, i'm not an SHR user (yet) so no clear idea.
Sep 02 12:37:37 <fellow> ok i understand
Sep 02 12:39:05 <fellow> hmm /etc/profile seems to be started in /etc/X11/X* files
Sep 02 12:39:29 <fellow> guess i can just add my own stuff to the Xinit file or one of them
Sep 02 12:39:35 <fellow> thanks anyways PaulFertser 
Sep 02 12:40:44 <PaulFertser> fellow: i'd say better use Xinit files.
Sep 02 13:49:24 <batti112> /quit
Sep 02 15:35:52 <stongo> hello
Sep 02 17:28:34 <ndnihil> shit shit shit
Sep 02 17:28:40 <Chocky> poo poo poo
Sep 02 17:28:56 <ndnihil> work is switching providers and sending me a brokeberry "tour"
Sep 02 17:29:15 <ndnihil> which means no more free unlimited data plan for the sim in the FR
Sep 02 17:29:30 <Chocky> "shitshitshitshit" to take a line from a book by Stephen Donaldson
Sep 02 17:31:21 <ndnihil> I did request that I get an N900 instead of the BB
Sep 02 17:31:26 <ndnihil> so maybe that'll go through :)
Sep 02 17:31:51 <Chocky> don't worry, coporate culture will beat you into the ground yet by denying that
Sep 02 17:32:04 <ndnihil> most likely
Sep 02 17:32:14 <ndnihil> but they've sent me some nice toys in the past
Sep 02 17:32:25 <ndnihil> half-height roll around dell rack
Sep 02 17:32:38 * Chocky finishes talking to switchvox
Sep 02 17:32:53 <ndnihil> the specific laptop I asked for
Sep 02 17:33:06 <ndnihil> and I've got high spec'd servers and workstations out the ass
Sep 02 17:33:25 <ndnihil> (I telecommute 24/7/365 so I need the hardware here)
Sep 02 17:34:12 <ndnihil> hrm, how does switchvox differ from asterisk?
Sep 02 17:34:34 <Chocky> they make hardware and a UI which makes asterisk easy to use
Sep 02 17:35:05 <ndnihil> ah
Sep 02 17:35:26 <ndnihil> making asterisk "easy to use" is indeed a feat :)
Sep 02 17:35:49 <Chocky> yes, I can imagine.  It's one of the few pieces of well-known OSS, I've not used
Sep 02 17:43:37 <ndnihil> doh
Sep 02 17:44:10 <ndnihil> I was just told that there was a specific reason they chose the Tour, it works internationally
Sep 02 17:44:26 <ndnihil> I should probably do something about a passport
Sep 02 17:44:49 <Chocky> hah
Sep 02 17:45:22 <Chocky> hence the dumbass name
Sep 02 17:45:27 <ndnihil> yeah
Sep 02 17:45:41 <ndnihil> wonder where they're going to send me
Sep 02 18:33:53 <rategain> Does sleep=4 results in recamping
Sep 02 19:00:08 <slaxxer> opkg upgrade safe    shr-u?
Sep 02 19:00:52 <Undrwater> so far, yes
Sep 02 19:00:57 <max_posedon> check moon-calendar
Sep 02 19:01:03 <Undrwater> hmm..haven't upgraded in about 2 hours
Sep 02 19:01:12 <Undrwater> so...as of 2 hours ago, yes :)
Sep 02 19:01:18 <slaxxer> cool
Sep 02 19:14:47 <slaxxer> well it looks as though shr  is great       hows openWRT     doinggg anybody using it?
Sep 02 19:18:56 <rategain> does recamping issue gets solved ..if we use the modem with sleep = 2 option
Sep 02 19:21:46 <Undrwater> what is recamping?
Sep 02 19:24:07 <rategain> recamping means the device constantly loses basestation and needs to reregister and you can't get inbound calls during that
Sep 02 19:30:51 <slaxxer> my device hasnt recamped in months
Sep 02 19:43:35 <Chocky> fightling with ARM Linux cross compilers here. takes ages :-(
Sep 02 19:44:22 <Chocky> hm, w/w
Sep 02 20:53:00 <Graf_Ithaka> I'd like to use WiFi on my freerunner but neither paroli nor mokonnect can find a wireless network, while iwlist finds one.. any ideas on that?
Sep 02 20:56:50 <max_posedon> what about poweron wifi before?
Sep 02 20:56:58 <max_posedon> ah.. sorry
Sep 02 20:57:06 <max_posedon> you can try connect via iwconfig)
Sep 02 20:59:55 <Graf_Ithaka> I actually can connect manually using iwlist, iwconfig, ifconfig
Sep 02 21:00:05 <Graf_Ithaka> but all GUIs fail finding the AP
Sep 02 21:00:28 <Graf_Ithaka> neither the paroli builtin utility nor mokonnect
Sep 02 21:24:15 <Graf_Ithaka> humm.. I've updated connman and all its plugins - now it works
Sep 02 21:25:23 <DocScrutinizer> Graf_Ithaka: Probably you're the very first to actually succeed :-P
Sep 02 21:27:25 <Graf_Ithaka> DocScrutinizer: well wifi already worked for me, then it stopped working, worked again.. its an up and down with it :D
Sep 02 21:29:19 <DocScrutinizer> never worked for me. But for now E/Illume borked and "F1: resume" gave me console with "Starting Xserver". Now I wonder if I even bother to login via ssh, or simply reboot :-((
Sep 02 21:30:03 <brian_> no ssh here
Sep 02 21:30:06 <brian_>  reboot
Sep 02 21:31:00 <DocScrutinizer> freakin GPRS disconnect bullshit
Sep 02 21:38:40 <brian_> wifi works with gui finally:)
Sep 02 21:40:54 <Wonka> when will that be in SHR?
Sep 02 21:41:57 <brian_> it is shr
Sep 02 21:42:10 <brian_>    but it died after suspend
Sep 02 21:42:22 <brian_> shr-unstable
Sep 02 21:42:33 <ndnihil> now the big question
Sep 02 21:42:36 <ndnihil> was it WPA/WPA2?
Sep 02 21:43:01 <brian_> nope
Sep 02 21:43:24 * ndnihil shakes his head and wanders off
Sep 02 21:44:42 <slaxxer> not tried that yet
Sep 02 21:45:03 <ndnihil> open APs are easy, but I've yet to get it to connect to a protected one
Sep 02 21:46:13 <ndnihil> either ar6000 or wpa_supplicant are broken
Sep 02 21:46:37 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: more likely ar6000. But the fact is it works with many APs out there.
Sep 02 21:47:06 <ndnihil> I've tried 3 now, and nothing
Sep 02 21:47:17 <ndnihil> thought it was just mine for a while, but then I tried the other two
Sep 02 21:47:22 <PaulFertser> slaxxer: there should be a new kernel built today in shr repos (or probably it'll be there tomorrow) with the nasty patch reverted that works almost reliably.
Sep 02 21:48:48 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: and to the best of my knowledge if ar6000 works with some AP without encryption, it will work with WPA/WPA2 too. 
Sep 02 21:49:23 <ndnihil> hrm, good to know. I'll try opening mine and see what happens
Sep 02 21:49:28 <PaulFertser> bb tomorrow, good luck.
Sep 02 21:49:35 <ndnihil> not like it goes anywhere without VPN anyway :)
Sep 02 22:06:02 <SeligArkin> Anybody know of an alternitive to frameworkd? Its starting to annoy me from little quirks and bugs, such as randomly turning off the wifi when I am using it.
Sep 02 22:06:46 <max_posedon> cornucopia is kinda next-generation frameworkd
Sep 02 22:06:55 <max_posedon> but not finished
Sep 02 22:09:18 <SeligArkin> Is it compiled? I am also rather un happy the amount of memory that gets eaten by frameworkd. >.>
Sep 02 22:44:19 <djp`> hi all. in the next few days (hopefully!) i'll be receiving an a7 freerunner. i just wanted to query something. do i need to install qi and moko 11? also which is the best distribution to install for mobile phone use?
Sep 02 22:46:05 <Graf_Ithaka> cu@all
Sep 02 22:46:33 <ndnihil> options, yes, and people seem to like shr-unstable
Sep 02 22:46:38 <ndnihil> s/options/optional/
Sep 02 22:51:10 <djp`> ndnihil, thanks
Sep 02 22:53:29 <ndnihil> actually
Sep 02 22:53:33 <ndnihil> that might not be true
Sep 02 22:53:43 <ndnihil> I dont know what gsm firmware ships with a7
Sep 02 22:53:54 <ndnihil> check it, and if its less than 11, yes
Sep 02 22:54:35 <djp`> ndnihil, thanks again. and if it's more than 11?
Sep 02 22:54:51 <ndnihil> then flashing back to 11 is probably a step in the wrong direction :)
Sep 02 22:55:22 <djp`> ndnihil, sure. :)
Sep 03 00:57:50 <DocScrutinizer> SeligArkin: talk to mickeyl 
Sep 03 01:00:15 <SeligArkin> DocScrutinizer: Regarding what? My memory is no good. >.>
Sep 03 01:01:48 <DocScrutinizer> djp: (away, loser) yes, you should update to moko11. No, you should use uBoot until you feel comfortable with tricky things like installing a new bootloader (I still don't see any point why Qi is so much better than uBoot. YMMV). Best distri ATM is SHR-U0808 with update/upgrade as of 2 days ago. Make sure upgrade is safe though, as that changes every few hours
Sep 03 01:03:15 <DocScrutinizer> SeligArkin: alternative to frameworkd (I don't think there is any, but you should rise your concerns to FSO leader mickeyl anyway)
Sep 03 01:03:58 <SeligArkin> DocScrutinizer: There is apparently one in work called cornucopia using Vala
Sep 03 01:04:12 <SeligArkin> Sadly it does not look usable yet
Sep 03 01:04:26 <DocScrutinizer> that's not exactly an alternative, rather the successor
Sep 03 01:04:40 <max_posedon> hm.. technikallu right now, we all use a mix
Sep 03 01:04:48 <SeligArkin> True
Sep 03 01:04:56 <max_posedon> some parts from framework, some from cornucopia
Sep 03 01:04:59 <DocScrutinizer> and it will silently obsolete python framework
Sep 03 01:05:06 <DocScrutinizer> step by step
Sep 03 01:05:43 <max_posedon> and with neo, you can't expect rock stable phone with any software anytime
Sep 03 01:06:25 <DocScrutinizer> ATM I'm rather pissed some vala new component results in frameworkd freezing completely on GPRS-disconnect
Sep 03 01:06:50 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: why?
Sep 03 01:07:21 <max_posedon> because its developed by many people
Sep 03 01:07:33 <max_posedon> and very fast)
Sep 03 01:07:41 <max_posedon> (its - different software parts)
Sep 03 01:07:58 <DocScrutinizer> duh, thats true for most of the sw I use, on any platform
Sep 03 01:08:06 <SeligArkin> max_posedon: You do realise thats how professional software is developed, right?
Sep 03 01:08:38 <max_posedon> yes
Sep 03 01:09:11 <DocScrutinizer> actually fso-team is doing an incredible job. but they are too *few* people
Sep 03 01:09:40 <SeligArkin> I have been poking the code a bit, but its structure hurts my brain. >.>
Sep 03 01:10:41 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Sep 03 01:11:01 <DocScrutinizer> rise that comment to mickey ;-P
Sep 03 01:11:49 <SeligArkin> I am sure if I did more than a quick skim through it would make more sense. >.>
Sep 03 01:12:03 <SeligArkin> Also, it helps to look in parts that are actualy implemented. <.<
Sep 03 01:12:15 <DocScrutinizer> that's also an all-time-truth
Sep 03 01:16:44 <DocScrutinizer> OMG, I hate babylon5. I can't stop watching it as it's a SF, but it's really such abysmal
Sep 03 01:17:45 <max_posedon> if you looking just 1st season... forget about next month of your life)
Sep 03 01:18:09 <max_posedon> 5 seasons + 2(or3?) films..
Sep 03 01:18:53 <DocScrutinizer> that's prolly season 5 here now
Sep 03 01:19:30 * DocScrutinizer starts to love vomiting
Sep 03 01:19:59 <SpeedEvil> max_posedon: Don't forget the spin-off series.
Sep 03 01:20:09 * SpeedEvil tries to forget the spin-off series.
Sep 03 01:20:18 * SpeedEvil forgets the name.
Sep 03 01:20:22 <SpeedEvil> Crusade?
Sep 03 01:20:43 <max_posedon> exactly
Sep 03 01:21:45 <SpeedEvil> It had hints that it might be interesting - but it needed a much longer run
Sep 03 01:22:45 <SpeedEvil> And had no easy hooks into it.
Sep 03 01:24:22 <DocScrutinizer> never heard of it - lucky me
Sep 03 01:28:19 <Chocky> B5 jumped the shark after season 4
Sep 03 01:29:01 <SpeedEvil> IIRC Crusade was trying to be a cross between Space Above And Beyond and Voyager.
Sep 03 01:29:09 <SpeedEvil> Which diddn't really work.
Sep 03 01:29:12 <Chocky> SAB was awful
Sep 03 01:29:20 <SpeedEvil> Chocky: pretty much
Sep 03 01:29:41 <Chocky> I forget why though, it was a long time ago
Sep 03 01:30:13 <Chocky> and I'm pretty sure I haven't thought of it since
Sep 03 01:45:48 <johnsu01> what happened to opkg in the lite image?
Sep 03 01:45:56 <johnsu01> (of shr)
Sep 03 01:48:34 <max_posedon> it depend on about what issue your speak
Sep 03 01:48:43 <max_posedon> may be memory, may be opkg-cl
Sep 03 01:49:30 <johnsu01> :| why is it opkg-cl now?
Sep 03 01:52:03 <max_posedon> now its opkg
Sep 03 01:52:11 <max_posedon> it was opkg-cl temporary
Sep 03 01:52:46 <johnsu01> I see
Sep 03 02:43:53 <johnsu01> ugh, this is a new one for me: " mmc0: host doesn't support card's voltages"
Sep 03 02:46:28 <johnsu01> but this is on a card that was used in the same fr previously
Sep 03 02:54:44 <johnsu01> looks like it was maybe just a problem with the card not being tight in the slot
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