**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 06 02:59:57 2009 Sep 06 03:47:22 DocScrutinizer: How can I search for the type of USB cables I need? "miniUSB-m--USB-A-f adapther" and a Y cable? I need a seller in Canada, such as ncix.com, a-power.com, acp.ca, tigerdirect.ca. Sep 06 03:48:31 NCIX does not appear to have the "miniUSB-m--USB-A-f adapther". Sep 06 04:41:52 tom-tom auto cable works for me Sep 06 04:42:13 tom-tom- one i think Sep 06 04:42:48 i no like adapters Sep 06 06:25:20 brolin: I got a usb-a-f--usb-a-f adapter and a usb-a-m--miniusb-m adapter Sep 06 06:25:34 brolin: couldn't find a miniusb-m--usb-a-f adapter anywhere Sep 06 07:36:15 Wireless Partial The GUI cannot do scan for wireless network. Writing exact essid or setting up wifi from command line works. QtMoko What is the best way ? Sep 06 08:46:50 freerunnerlive: hidden essid? Sep 06 09:00:27 DocScrutinizer: hi :D What'd you say about me planning to use PC AT PSU to get 3.3V from to emulate battery for gta01? Sep 06 09:14:08 :quatrox no it is a bug but i need to configure wlan. Like /etc/network/interfaces ? or iwconfig eth0 essid "Fritz.box" ? Sep 06 09:15:36 SpeedEvil: probably you have some experience with PC PSUs too, do you have any ideas? Sep 06 09:26:02 PaulFertser: It should work great but make sure the PSU already has a permanent load on 3V3 Sep 06 09:26:42 e.g. by adding a resistor Sep 06 09:27:40 quatrox: and if not? Do you think it can produce big (>5.5V) spikes? Sep 06 09:27:59 no Sep 06 09:28:04 but just to be sure Sep 06 09:28:51 but the 3v3 should never ever be able to give you 5V spikes Sep 06 09:29:13 PaulFertser: add a load to 5 V as well Sep 06 09:30:40 DocScrutinizer: how much load there and there? Really mandatory? I even lack clear idea yet how to connect to AT connector and i don't feel like cutting it... Sep 06 09:31:42 pinouts.ru gives the pinout Sep 06 09:31:50 quatrox: i'm not that stupid Sep 06 09:32:07 quatrox: i lack connector Sep 06 09:32:12 ahh Sep 06 09:32:50 quatrox: and would prefer to avoid "snap the wire in and hope it'll stay there tight" for this kind of task. Sep 06 09:33:09 PaulFertser: 1A should suffice. Unmantle wires and solder, without cutting copper Sep 06 09:36:18 DocScrutinizer: sounds good, it's just that i still have to find something to direct that 1A to... Actually i planned to use my dedicate 5V supply with 3.3 linear regulator but my local shop doesn't sell those on saturdays... Sep 06 09:36:43 And no, i do not care about gsm yet. Sep 06 09:37:42 an old hard drive should give enough load while spinning Sep 06 09:38:02 car 50W incandescent bulbs? Sep 06 09:39:20 as long as the bulbs work:) Sep 06 09:43:13 or 10pcs 33R 0.5 Sep 06 09:44:47 DocScrutinizer: i'm not EE, not enough junk here at home ;) but an old hard drive sounds most reasonable. Sep 06 09:45:02 DocScrutinizer: he wants to power his phone, not create a heaven with stars :D Sep 06 09:45:47 HD for 3V3? o.O Sep 06 09:45:58 HD for 5V Sep 06 09:48:10 just to give the PSU some load Sep 06 09:49:40 PaulFertser: add a load to 5 V as well Sep 06 09:50:06 please read carefully Sep 06 09:50:43 DocScrutinizer: i do, i hoped that HDD will add 5V load. Sep 06 09:51:13 but not to 3v3 Sep 06 09:51:58 DocScrutinizer: i understand... Sep 06 09:58:32 Booting the latest SHR with bare minimum (only udev, getty and dropbear) on gta01 from uSD takes 52s from PWR button press up to login prompt on LCD. Sep 06 09:59:15 that is a lot of time Sep 06 09:59:45 is that because of udev? Sep 06 10:00:54 PaulFertser: have you tried new dependency based boot sequence on debian? I'm afraid to try :) Sep 06 10:01:47 lindi-: no, not really interested yet Sep 06 10:02:38 PaulFertser: (3V3) you won't believe but often 3V3 isn't regulated at all Sep 06 10:04:42 DocScrutinizer: i can imagine that, especially given that there're power supplies for the most essential parts on MB itself. Sep 06 10:05:20 yep Sep 06 10:05:20 quatrox: for whatever reason timestamps in gta01 are not enabled, so no good idea. Sep 06 10:06:25 PaulFertser: did you use uboot or Qi? Sep 06 10:06:28 hehe, look at your bootscreen ;-P Sep 06 10:10:25 a stupid question: when is fso started in boot init? is it by any chance depending on X? Sep 06 10:13:23 and can't we get rid of udev for the most of non-volatile devices? Sep 06 10:18:03 DocScrutinizer: you mean frameworkd? Sep 06 10:19:36 yup Sep 06 10:19:44 of course Sep 06 10:19:56 quatrox: Qi Sep 06 10:19:59 just too long. I'm lazy ;-) Sep 06 10:20:08 DocScrutinizer: no Sep 06 10:20:24 DocScrutinizer: ophonekitd is started with X though Sep 06 10:20:32 yes Sep 06 10:20:49 but modem could start muuuuch earlier Sep 06 10:21:25 its a nuissance you have to wait even longer for pin query than for illume screen Sep 06 10:22:18 DocScrutinizer: request the GSM resource earlier in boot sequence and kill it some time after starting ophonekitd, probably will work. Sep 06 10:22:40 yes Sep 06 10:23:33 that's nearly what I thought as well Sep 06 10:25:13 my phone registers to gsm network even before i login through xdm Sep 06 10:25:21 so yes, it works Sep 06 10:26:29 lindi-: but you do it the other way, we're talking about fso-way here ;) Sep 06 10:33:49 well, time-to-illume: 2:20, time to pin-query: 3:20 Sep 06 10:36:12 that's really *bad*, as you have to keep standing on the pavement watching your screen for 3,5minutes, just to enter the pin and then stow away device Sep 06 10:37:02 I guess it could be reduced to 1:20 Sep 06 10:37:04 DocScrutinizer: i've never used pin, but probably you can't disable it with some carriers, idk. Sep 06 10:37:15 PaulFertser: you can always store the pin in the device Sep 06 10:37:36 lindi-: sure... Sep 06 10:37:43 yep Sep 06 10:39:37 rather implement a decent user account management, plus standard auth meassures Sep 06 10:39:38 need help on SHR Sep 06 10:39:45 i can not ssh Sep 06 10:39:52 it is not accepting password Sep 06 10:40:13 shrini: there's no pw by default Sep 06 10:40:38 DocScrutinizer: yes. but it is not acceptinb blank password too Sep 06 10:40:54 ssh -l root Sep 06 10:41:00 shrini: make sure you log in to 192.168.0.202 Sep 06 10:41:27 DocScrutinizer: yes Sep 06 10:41:35 and a root, like quatrox mentions Sep 06 10:41:39 DocScrutinizer: I do as ssh root@192.168.0.202 Sep 06 10:41:54 it is asking password Sep 06 10:41:58 i just give ENTER Sep 06 10:42:01 no use Sep 06 10:42:07 it is asking me 3 times Sep 06 10:42:11 and quits Sep 06 10:42:32 problems with the shell? Sep 06 10:42:38 no Sep 06 10:42:45 (on the fr) Sep 06 10:42:50 make sure 202 is actually FR, not your own host Sep 06 10:42:58 haha Sep 06 10:43:16 my ip address is 10.0.150.14 Sep 06 10:43:31 shrini: just *try* your hosts root-pw Sep 06 10:43:42 oh Sep 06 10:43:59 PaulFertser: should work OK. Check that the voltage is in fact correct first. Sep 06 10:45:22 shrini: try this script: people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh Sep 06 10:45:31 SpeedEvil: thanks for suggestion, but DocScrutinizer thinks that i need to put additional 1A load on 5V and 3.3V to be real safe and his reasoning sounds convincing to me. Sep 06 10:45:39 Probably i'll resort to sleeping instead :-/ Sep 06 10:45:50 DocScrutinizer: let me try Sep 06 10:46:06 PaulFertser: Not for all PSUs - some are fine with no load - if the 3.3V is accurate without - it is fine Sep 06 10:46:28 there is no usb0 here Sep 06 10:46:35 only eth2 Sep 06 10:46:54 shrini: so what? Sep 06 10:47:00 old interfacename is old. Sep 06 10:47:22 PaulFertser: in script: people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh, DEV=usb0 Sep 06 10:47:39 hi ! Sep 06 10:48:08 shrini: replace it with DEV=eth2 Sep 06 10:48:52 shrini: neo-ssh eth7 Sep 06 10:49:02 PaulFertser: is there any plans to fix the bug and use usb0 again? Sep 06 10:49:18 shrini: err, sudo neo-ssh ethX Sep 06 10:49:25 quatrox: it's not really a bug afaik Sep 06 10:49:43 quatrox: it not a bug!!! Sep 06 10:49:50 quatrox: don't suggest nonsense without reading source first ;-) Sep 06 10:49:54 lindi-: no? Isn't it an incorrect MAC? Sep 06 10:49:58 We discussed it hundreds of times! Sep 06 10:50:57 DocScrutinizer: Wow Sep 06 10:51:02 DocScrutinizer: It worked Sep 06 10:51:10 DocScrutinizer: Thanks a lot guys Sep 06 10:51:13 :-) Sep 06 10:51:43 shrini: so what. in script also checks for $1 Sep 06 10:51:53 quatrox: yes both sides seem to have the same mac Sep 06 10:52:24 you *may* edit DEV=, or you simply give dev as cmd parameter Sep 06 10:52:38 DocScrutinizer: that script worked for me Sep 06 10:52:48 lindi-: (same mac on both sides) it was fixed in Qi in May. Sep 06 10:52:50 DocScrutinizer: better just use udev to give persistent name to your device Sep 06 10:53:08 lindi-: hahahahaha Sep 06 10:53:52 lindi-: I consider using stickers to write the persistent undividual names to all devices Sep 06 10:54:26 PaulFertser: yeah but i don't want to risk breaking anything in my boot loader to fix this :) Sep 06 10:54:42 then do not Sep 06 10:56:05 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r6e08102520f2 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Message: fix deleting messages without MessageRead and Direction fields (most often messages from SIM backend) Sep 06 10:58:45 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r1a7ce1710876 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/docs/TODO: opimd: update TODO Sep 06 10:58:47 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r64cce4a79877 10framework/framework/subsystems/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'dos/opimd-tracking' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking Sep 06 10:58:49 PaulFertser: 'git clone http://git.openmoko.org/git/qi; git log' shows that the last change is 2008 -- has Qi been relocated somewhere? Sep 06 10:59:14 lindi-: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qi.git;a=summary Sep 06 11:00:35 PaulFertser: yeah that's what I read and tried to clone it with 'git clone http://git.openmoko.org/git/qi' Sep 06 11:01:14 lindi-: ah, git://git.openmoko.org/git/qi.git Sep 06 11:01:45 PaulFertser: that works, can you do something to http giving you older data? Sep 06 11:02:39 DocScrutinizer: need help Sep 06 11:02:49 DocScrutinizer: I logged into neo Sep 06 11:02:52 lindi-: yes, i can ask roh to add git-update-server-info to the commit hook and to run it manually once Sep 06 11:02:52 but Sep 06 11:02:56 anybody knows where i can find QtExtended 4.4.3 ? Sep 06 11:02:58 can not connect to internet Sep 06 11:03:13 shrini: stop trolling please Sep 06 11:03:28 PaulFertser: sorry Sep 06 11:03:30 shrini: you can read elsewhere about using your host as network bridge/NAT Sep 06 11:03:41 shrini: including OM wiki (though it sucks). Sep 06 11:03:49 PaulFertser: sure Sep 06 11:04:18 shrini: also where you found neo-ssh there are a few other scripts as well Sep 06 11:04:27 shrini: FR is nothing special, just a GNU/Linux box, regular methods apply... Sep 06 11:05:03 DocScrutinizer: where are the other scripts? Sep 06 11:11:07 shrini: http://pastebin.com/f5a49aa4 Sep 06 11:12:48 shrini: and you need to check with your firewall as well, not to have rules in there that explicitly block traffic to / from FR Sep 06 11:22:31 I think it was someone in here - but I forget who and I have no logs - that pointed me to a page detailing an effort on compressed swap - including merging identical pages - which I'd seen before - and creating binary diffs - for almost matching pages. Sep 06 11:22:52 shrini: the two last lines are for DNS and assume you have "nameserver 192.168.0.200" in your FR /etc/resolv.conf Sep 06 11:22:56 I don't seem to have bookmarked - and can't seem to find though. Sep 06 11:23:46 shrini: if you have /etc/resolv.conf with the (default) free DNS IP in there, you probably won't need those two PREROUTING lines Sep 06 11:24:27 DocScrutinizer: I have routing issues Sep 06 11:24:51 DocScrutinizer: I can ping my host, but not other websites Sep 06 11:26:20 shrini: check your /var/log/messages (or ./firewall, or whereever your FW logs to) for BLOCKED logs source:192.168.0.202 Sep 06 11:27:18 shrini: for *test* *temporaraily* disable your firewall on host, and give all lines from pastebin above once again (disabling FW probably will reset them) Sep 06 11:28:42 then, on host find IP of a wellknown site (host google.com), n FR try pinging that IP (*not* an URL) Sep 06 11:29:48 Or even telnet 64.71.163.206 Sep 06 11:29:50 or something Sep 06 14:16:32 hi all Sep 06 14:17:30 h Sep 06 15:44:31 someone wants to test new SHR images? Sep 06 15:53:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rf1c199da3a2a 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Sep 06 15:53:37 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio: remove GetSupportedFormats() Sep 06 15:53:37 freesmartphone.org: This info is available via GetInfo Sep 06 15:58:07 dos1: got an url ? Sep 06 15:59:29 tag8tag: http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02/ Sep 06 16:00:13 dos1: ../om-gta01/ available ? Sep 06 16:00:32 seems ok Sep 06 16:00:33 no, i built today only om-gta02 images Sep 06 16:00:54 ok, i try to convert the gra02 img Sep 06 16:00:59 tag8tag: do you want om-gta01 images? Sep 06 16:01:04 noo, don't play with converting Sep 06 16:01:09 i'll build gta01 images Sep 06 16:01:36 ok Sep 06 16:02:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r90115e7b9fd6 10/src/ (6 files): regen Sep 06 16:15:46 SpeedEvil: Psi: unmodified gta01 fully running up to tty1 prompt, nothing is supposed to be enabled, backlight maximum: 257, backlight off: 161, suspend to ram: 19 (removing uSD doesn't change it). Sep 06 16:20:17 DocScrutinizer: the good news: after "poweroff" it turns off fully, nothing consumed. Sep 06 16:21:07 nice to hear someone works on gta01 :) Sep 06 16:21:38 i don't have gta01, but that proves FLOSS power :D Sep 06 16:31:53 interesting Sep 06 16:32:03 PaulFertser: that's mW? Sep 06 16:32:15 heh dos1 didn't you know paul is greatest supporter of gta01 ever? he even fought a long tesious struggle to get one of those critters finaly Sep 06 16:32:39 DocScrutinizer: i know, but now finally he got it so he can do real things ;) Sep 06 16:32:43 s/real/more real/ Sep 06 16:32:43 dos1 meant: DocScrutinizer: i know, but now finally he got it so he can do more real things ;) Sep 06 16:33:00 yes Sep 06 16:33:55 PaulFertser: could you check with backlight off? Sep 06 16:34:01 SpeedEvil: i suppose mA Sep 06 16:34:08 DocScrutinizer: "backlight off: 161" Sep 06 16:35:02 ooh, where did I miss this? Sep 06 16:35:18 I ask as I recall 100mA or so as the minimum I got it to Sep 06 16:37:10 DocScrutinizer: with backlight off and LCM physically disconnected it's 133 Sep 06 16:37:17 SpeedEvil: sorry, mA Sep 06 16:37:26 Should have mentioned of course. Sep 06 16:37:40 PaulFertser: IIRC that was underclocked to 60MHz - and some parts undervolted - nothing disconnected Sep 06 16:38:35 SpeedEvil: yeah, i remember your results. Sep 06 16:38:50 SpeedEvil: i'm posting here just to make sure that my experiments are in line with what others saw. Sep 06 16:39:02 PaulFertser: that sounds really harsh compared to the 77mA I get on FR Sep 06 16:39:58 DocScrutinizer: yep, it does.. Sep 06 16:40:35 Also - what bat volts Sep 06 16:40:49 PaulFertser: could you power up gsm without sim, and check how much that changes things Sep 06 16:41:02 DocScrutinizer: sure Sep 06 16:41:23 I assume that's audio amp disabled - and GSM off? Sep 06 16:41:45 SpeedEvil: audio doesn't eat much Sep 06 16:42:01 IIRC 15mA for the amp Sep 06 16:42:06 SpeedEvil: well... that's why i say my results are very preliminar, i'm using battery and i didn't measure the voltage while running yet. I'm going to hook up a proper PSU pretty soon to have consistent readings. Sep 06 16:42:31 Or was it 30 - it's been a while Sep 06 16:43:32 SpeedEvil: stock andy-tracking booted, no idea about the amp (yet). Sep 06 16:44:45 It used to show up in alsamixer - turnon/off Sep 06 16:45:01 SpeedEvil: i know, and it's controlled over i2c. Sep 06 16:45:47 hey PaulFertser Sep 06 16:48:14 PaulFertser: you included my yesterdays readings on FR to your table? 77mA on all off, bl to 8% (next to illegibly dark). GPS = ~60mA on top of that Sep 06 16:49:56 gsm standby 8mA / 15mA is already a welknown value, regarding how frequently I quoted myself on that Sep 06 16:50:28 (that's on german O2 network) Sep 06 16:52:18 bbl, time for brunch+dinner Sep 06 16:55:55 SpeedEvil: excellent guess! Really! Sep 06 16:56:16 SpeedEvil: when i turned off the AMP, the current was down to 123 and suspend current to 6-7. Sep 06 16:56:38 SpeedEvil: also i saw that all my reported results are with BT on, for whatever reason i couldn't turn it off yet. Sep 06 16:56:38 heh Sep 06 16:56:58 rip it out Sep 06 16:57:08 ;-) Sep 06 16:57:09 DocScrutinizer: heh :) Sep 06 16:57:24 PaulFertser: u-boot supported booting in 60MHz mode - which was easy - I then simply undervolted using the _volt files Sep 06 16:57:27 kick that sh*t, we won't need it Sep 06 16:58:01 cya Sep 06 16:58:25 (to get to ~100mA) Sep 06 16:58:47 uSD? Sep 06 16:59:06 DocScrutinizer: i tried removing uSD during suspend -- no influence. Sep 06 16:59:12 nah, my measurements also were with SD Sep 06 16:59:38 DocScrutinizer: will try to power on the modem now Sep 06 16:59:52 so fix my values like 77mA by ""incl uSD"" Sep 06 17:00:19 PaulFertser: you try to make me die from starvation? Sep 06 17:00:57 * DocScrutinizer sits waiting, with shoes and coat on Sep 06 17:02:55 didamdidam.... Sep 06 17:04:14 DocScrutinizer: rise from 123 to 150 Sep 06 17:04:24 * DocScrutinizer grunts a duett with his stomach Sep 06 17:04:36 DocScrutinizer: go eat something, we'll have enough time for fun later :D Sep 06 17:04:50 ok, so at least no *lower* consumption ;-) Sep 06 17:05:00 cya, bbl Sep 06 17:05:47 SpeedEvil: the voltage as reported by the device itself is ~3.7V Sep 06 17:06:04 ah Sep 06 17:06:15 * SpeedEvil goes out to dig up more rocks. Sep 06 17:06:16 wave. Sep 06 17:13:08 * PaulFertser is stupid: he tried to disable GPS to reduce power consumption while it was BT turned on actually. Sep 06 19:10:54 roh: Do I remember correctly there's a big OM-users/devels meeting on this years' Chaos Communication Congress? Sep 06 19:14:29 PaulFertser: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/ Sep 06 19:14:39 DocScrutinizer: i know about CCC Sep 06 19:14:49 join? Sep 06 19:14:57 it's fun! Sep 06 19:16:51 DocScrutinizer: quite possibly Sep 06 19:18:12 all solutions of #1024 fix at www.neofundas.blogspot.com Sep 06 19:18:32 aha Sep 06 19:18:40 please correct me if something is wrong in this blog Sep 06 19:20:14 DocScrutinizer: but i'd need that stupid visa stuff again, and airplane ticket... well, airplane ticket is easy, visa shouldn't be too hard either... so, possibly. It'll be very cool to meet you and other cool folks in RL again. Sep 06 19:21:11 yes, definitely. Let me know if I can help on the visa stuff. But I think it went smoothly for you Sep 06 19:21:22 UberNeo: for gta02 wifi module should be disconnected before dismounting the can. Sep 06 19:21:45 DocScrutinizer: that time yes, thanks to an excellent fax from LinuxHotel. Sep 06 19:22:14 PaulFertser: I will manafe to get you a similar fax any time ;-) Sep 06 19:22:24 manage even Sep 06 19:22:31 DocScrutinizer: got a personal hotel? ;) Sep 06 19:22:41 I know a few Sep 06 19:22:55 also know some companies Sep 06 19:23:15 DocScrutinizer: well, visa is solvable, that is cool. :D Sep 06 19:24:32 PaulFertser: how longdoes visa hold valid? Sep 06 19:25:44 I once had a visa for USA which was valid infinitely Sep 06 19:26:03 (from a time Germans needed a visa for USA) Sep 06 19:26:09 DocScrutinizer: depends on particular visa. The last one that was given me by german embassy was valid only for that 9-10 days i was going to spend. I asked for 9 days, i got 9 days. Sep 06 19:26:41 DocScrutinizer: also visas can be multi-entry and single-entry. Sep 06 19:27:03 fsk, those meanies Sep 06 19:28:03 think we can get business invitation from FSO Sep 06 19:28:26 they are legal entity by now afaik Sep 06 19:29:33 also we might check with CCC directly. Think they seen this mess before ;-) Sep 06 19:31:27 DocScrutinizer: yes, i don't think it'll be a major problem anyway Sep 06 19:42:46 DocScrutinizer: btw, i've left gta01 suspended for ~2 hours and now i unsuspended it and it was white screen. Forcing blanking made it black, unblanking -- white again. Only suspending and resuming again helped. Probably jbt troubles, i hope they're all solved by larsc. Sep 06 19:44:36 surely jbt6k trouble. Nice to hear suspend recovers it. That idicates to me we finally got it right with PMU power sequencing Sep 06 19:44:45 DocScrutinizer: and while running even with the display blank it consumes about 25mA, disconnecting it makes it go away. Sep 06 19:45:18 sounds like jbt6k lockup Sep 06 19:45:35 spinning idle in some senseless loop Sep 06 19:45:39 DocScrutinizer: no, with the display working Sep 06 19:45:44 ooh Sep 06 19:45:50 DocScrutinizer: my last message not related to wsod. Sep 06 19:46:25 that damn too much I'd say Sep 06 19:46:33 DocScrutinizer: just that when everything is working and i turn off the backlight and/or blank the screen, it is still higher than when i physically disconnect the LCM. Sep 06 19:46:43 DocScrutinizer: just observations... Sep 06 19:46:48 sure there is no pullup/down collision? Sep 06 19:47:19 like a GPIO that should be input is actually output Sep 06 19:48:00 nah, wait. We also got ts there Sep 06 19:48:03 DocScrutinizer: luckily i'm equipped with Werner's gpio utility that works ok on 2410 and also his pmu utility that works on gta01 with minor modification. Sep 06 19:48:13 DocScrutinizer: yes, the TS is what i thought about already. Sep 06 19:48:37 Without looking at schematics tbh but yes. And it should remain functional obviously, even when the display is blanked. Sep 06 19:48:53 iirc we got some weird circuitry on 01-ts Sep 06 19:49:18 maybe can't use same driver as 02 Sep 06 19:49:50 look for some bipolar transistors Sep 06 19:50:14 tag8tag: images built Sep 06 19:50:26 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta01/ Sep 06 19:51:36 How to add startx -- vt1 to default runlevel Sep 06 19:52:20 tag8tag: for "ultimate" suspend performance on gta01 there's already a quick fix discovered: disable external amp with alsamixer or amixer before suspending. Sep 06 19:54:25 what is that low volume problem in A7 ..any description somewhere Sep 06 19:55:01 DocScrutinizer: i see, on gta02 they're connected directly. Sep 06 19:55:56 UberNeo: R3004 R3005 = 1uF in A7 Sep 06 19:57:03 DocScrutinizer : any detailed desc anywhere Sep 06 19:57:21 UberNeo: there was some on community ML i wrote Sep 06 19:57:30 UberNeo: search the community ML for those Rs Sep 06 19:57:31 UberNeo: that's a comprehensive description basically Sep 06 19:57:39 okays Sep 06 19:57:59 UberNeo: they should be 0R but are 1uF Sep 06 19:58:31 to "fix" simply short them. Use solder or silver varnish Sep 06 20:03:27 UberNeo: if you find black components in place of those R3004/5 then you have correct 0R. If you find yellowish components you probably have 1uF and might consider shorting their contacts from one end to other Sep 06 20:03:59 DocScrutinizer : Does A6 have this prob Sep 06 20:04:06 DocScrutinizer: so it looks like TS can consume current all the time, reasonable explanation, consistent with pnp/npn "weird" circuity i see on schem. Sep 06 20:04:23 UberNeo: nobody knows which do and which don't. My A6 doesn.t Sep 06 20:04:47 UberNeo: people with 0R report they may actually have "too loud" volume on earpiece. Those with 1uF complain about too low volume with max setting of mixer control Sep 06 20:05:34 ohh ..so its means it doesn't depend on Hardware version ..it only depends on luck Sep 06 20:05:36 UberNeo: (A6) not conclusive. Nobody can reconstruct the info Sep 06 20:06:13 UberNeo: so you need to check by listening to device, after adjusting your alsa mixer controls Sep 06 20:06:27 or by looking at he color of those buggers Sep 06 20:06:49 DocScrutinizer : may be once you told me that all A7 have Sep 06 20:06:56 that problem Sep 06 20:07:41 it's told there's no A7 been seen with 0R Sep 06 20:08:01 there are A6 both versions definitely Sep 06 20:13:14 Hm, official intel utility for flashing bios and other flashable parts in server motherboards has this curious line in readme: Sep 06 20:13:20 ``Drivers and Utilities are provided in ".zip" format (compatible with "tar").'' Sep 06 20:13:25 WTF? Sep 06 20:14:26 curious Sep 06 20:14:36 probably they're just clueless Sep 06 20:14:46 but I wonder if it might be possible to do just that Sep 06 20:15:18 PaulFertser: (ts) check GPG12..15 Sep 06 20:15:43 and don't feel confused by wrong offsheet symbols ;-) Sep 06 20:15:43 a tar which has a zip directory at the end pointing to the uncompressed data... well, I don't know enough details Sep 06 20:15:58 DocScrutinizer: i will, probably tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Sep 06 20:16:10 PaulFertser: they are just to document level of insight at TPE Sep 06 20:18:39 mjr: http://paste.debian.net/45880/ Sep 06 20:18:58 zip LOL Sep 06 20:19:48 PaulFertser, very well :] Sep 06 20:32:21 nice dos1 have build a full img for gta01 :) Sep 06 20:33:04 tag8tag: seen my suspend current hint? Sep 06 20:33:17 PaulFertser: since im under experiment with alsa, i'll not disable the amp, but thanks btw Sep 06 20:34:11 im stil using my old cellphone, gta01 is always on usb for now Sep 06 20:34:30 tag8tag: disable the amp just before suspend, reenable after. Sep 06 20:34:36 tag8tag: ah, i see Sep 06 20:38:26 PaulFertser: midi control is on good way, I've found a nice kernel module, usb-gadget-MIDI Sep 06 20:38:46 tag8tag: what are you going to control? Sep 06 20:39:17 tag8tag: btw, there're still some problems with gadgets, e.g. filestorage doesn't always work (surprisingly, it works only with my home desktop). Sep 06 20:39:48 control any music soft with midi support Sep 06 20:41:09 PaulFertser: haven't tried the gadget, maybe tomorrow Sep 06 20:42:27 tag8tag: i lack usecase for that but i still wish you good luck with it ;) Sep 06 20:44:12 PaulFertser: hehe, i've compiled portmidi and wanted to make a package since it wasnt on repositories Sep 06 20:44:28 PaulFertser: but who need a midi lib on openmoko ? :p Sep 06 22:37:06 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r3aa50a2d544d 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: fix dbus signature in GetMultipleResults Sep 06 22:37:07 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * re3ba43546004 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: fix possible traceback on deleting Sep 06 22:37:08 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r82f70de87ae3 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimd_tasks.py): opimd: Tasks: fix UnfinishedTasks Sep 06 22:37:09 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r4acbd906741f 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_tasks.py: opimd: Tasks: fix Update Sep 06 22:38:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r11e070ee17e9 10/ (examples/eina/eina.vala vapi/eina.vapi vapi/elm.vapi): eina.vapi: remove subsystem init/shutdown functions as per upstream SVN rev 42300 Sep 06 22:49:32 I either just made a very smart use of netcat to transfer files, or am royaly fraking up this directory. >.> Sep 06 22:49:48 moko: tar cz includes lib | nc -l -p 1234 Sep 06 22:50:06 lappy: nc 1234 | tar xz Sep 06 23:15:43 * SpeedEvil looks at HellDragon. Sep 06 23:18:12 http://www.slackware.com/changelog/stable.php?cpu=arm Sep 07 01:14:03 http://www2.b3ta.com/notepadinvaders/ trippy Sep 07 02:56:44 hello **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 07 02:59:57 2009