**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 07 02:59:57 2009 Sep 07 03:53:07 wassup Sep 07 05:23:00 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r32928fa5a562 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_tasks.py: opimd: Tasks: fix Update Sep 07 07:30:37 http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-179907/ibm-says-software-patents-drive-oss-development omfg Sep 07 08:04:25 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5612 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/STATUS: Update ECN status Sep 07 09:20:13 9/c Sep 07 09:50:24 hi Sep 07 10:32:57 PaulFertser: btw the sheevaplug costs about 190$ with shipping to europe ;) Sep 07 10:33:20 naeg: you can invent alternative means of shipping. Sep 07 10:33:57 naeg: like asking some fellow hacker to bring it for you, there's always somebody flying somewhere. Sep 07 10:35:12 build a drone out of sheevaplug ;-) then self-delivery Sep 07 10:35:42 DocScrutinizer: ROFL Sep 07 10:36:34 PaulFertser: well, i actually don't know one who is flying from US to austria these months Sep 07 10:36:52 and i don't trust everyone ;) Sep 07 14:09:03 Anyone got any experience with Paroli on SHR yet, or do I have to be the Pioneer? Sep 07 14:19:54 dos1: thanks for the full img :p Sep 07 14:21:05 dos1: there used to be a lite img only for gta01 Sep 07 14:37:28 PaulFertser: _phil managed to ubiattach, -O 2048 was missing as parameter Sep 07 14:37:43 but the error output is kinda...less Sep 07 14:39:24 Daramarak: khiraly at #openmoko-cdevel did a lot of testing afaik Sep 07 14:40:01 DocScrutinizer: Ok, thanks Sep 07 14:40:22 Daramarak: I only installed, started, uninstalled, and fixed the mess. I think the "mess" issue is fixed by now ;-) Sep 07 14:44:05 DocScrutinizer: Thats good :) Sep 07 14:45:03 Daramarak: nevertheless I recommend a backup prior to installing paroli Sep 07 14:45:47 just in case it isn't all that fixed yet Sep 07 14:46:36 DocScrutinizer: So it was that bad? Sep 07 14:47:03 nah, I simply didn't feel like using it Sep 07 14:47:25 DocScrutinizer: No I mean the mess it made. Sep 07 14:47:39 messed up yaml rules etc Sep 07 14:50:53 DocScrutinizer: I see. Sep 07 15:24:02 hi Sep 07 15:24:28 i have a fresh updaed version of SHR but i can't have suspnd/resume working ? Sep 07 15:24:53 and thats quite annoying Sep 07 15:25:41 could someone give me some clue to get back a functionnal resume/suspending phone please Sep 07 15:33:13 cichlid: testing or unstable? Sep 07 15:34:17 naeg: unstable Sep 07 15:34:34 i just figure out my frameworkd.conf may be in charge Sep 07 15:34:48 cichlid: seldom...i made the experience that in testing suspend didn't work Sep 07 15:37:44 tag8tag: is it working correctly? Sep 07 15:39:17 dos1: i'll tell u in 5min Sep 07 15:40:07 i get it OK Sep 07 15:43:01 naeg: one step at a time, yes? :) Sep 07 15:43:18 naeg: have you tried to flash a "ubinized" image and attach to that? Sep 07 15:46:02 PaulFertser: i am just flashing a ubi image, then i will boot from sd and try to mount it, if that works i will try to but a ubi image from NAND Sep 07 15:46:21 s/but/boot Sep 07 16:09:38 hi all Sep 07 16:10:03 what is the name of the freerunner processor more then ARM? Sep 07 16:10:26 any one have doc for Ril ? Sep 07 16:11:10 what's RIL? Sep 07 16:11:31 (hint: see #android for android-centric discussion) Sep 07 16:12:47 Radio interface layer Sep 07 16:13:16 spydon_: s3c2442b Sep 07 16:13:34 okay, does it have gazelle? Sep 07 16:13:35 or api for Gsm Sep 07 16:13:54 Reactor16: if you're into standard unix stuff, use FSO Sep 07 16:13:58 spydon_: Jazelle, no Sep 07 16:14:16 Reactor16: if you're into stupid android, go to their channel and ask there about ril ;) Sep 07 16:14:27 hehe Sep 07 16:15:27 i'm using wing linux on my htc i just want to take look on gsm api on openmoko Sep 07 16:15:58 openmoko is a pretty much overloaded subject Sep 07 16:16:04 but you might want to check docs.freesmartphone.org Sep 07 16:16:18 in case you run an FSO-based distribution Sep 07 16:16:25 * [Rui] is daring an okpg upgrade on shr-u Sep 07 16:16:39 our "RIL" is dbus-based Sep 07 16:18:51 i seen in wing rild process Sep 07 16:19:30 Reactor16: what exactly are you interested in? Sep 07 16:19:54 nothing last question Sep 07 16:19:58 Reactor16: to see end-user API for FSO? Sep 07 16:20:17 any one tried to emulate sim ? Sep 07 16:20:21 Reactor16: porting FSO to any target is encouraged and actively helped. Sep 07 16:20:23 simcard Sep 07 16:29:06 ah, now i see what you're talking about Sep 07 16:29:08 "We aim to bring Linux and Google's Android operating systems to the T-Mobile Wing, HTC Herald / Atlas platforms and many other OMAP850-based devices. " Sep 07 16:53:41 how much price of freerunner Sep 07 16:56:56 <[Rui]> Reactor16: a new A7 model is just under 300€ Sep 07 17:05:48 anyone know how to make good asourd.conf for android? Sep 07 17:06:10 PaulFertser: flashing the ubi image with dfu-util seems not to work, at least i don't know how to mount it because i don't know hot the ubi volume is called, rootfs isn't true Sep 07 17:06:32 i'll do it with dd for now Sep 07 17:06:35 naeg: you need to attach it first? Sep 07 17:06:54 naeg: wait, dfu-util is the way to go Sep 07 17:06:58 naeg: dfu-util for ubinized image Sep 07 17:07:05 naeg: how exactly doesn't it work? Sep 07 17:07:31 Is it possible to make the buzz fix by myself ? or is it to complicated ? Sep 07 17:07:36 PaulFertser: to mount i need a ubi volume Sep 07 17:08:06 PaulFertser: i don't know if and how i could tell dfu-util to put it on a ubi volume Sep 07 17:08:08 transylvania: do you solder stuff usually? Sep 07 17:08:27 naeg: no, you just flash "ubinized" image Sep 07 17:08:46 naeg: it's like an image of harddisk, with partition table embedded. Sep 07 17:08:55 PaulFertser: not usually, I made a lot when I was younger Sep 07 17:09:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc0ae955a0497 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: kernel26: do not bail out, if we can't query the RTC Sep 07 17:09:30 transylvania: the most complex part in buzzfix is to desolder 0402 R (it's 1x.5mm) if you can do that, you're fine to go. Sep 07 17:10:01 PaulFertser: I think I can do that Sep 07 17:10:10 where can I find the howto ? Sep 07 17:11:07 transylvania: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Sep 07 17:11:25 PaulFertser: i flashed image, but what should i tell mount as ubi volume? i didn't specify one, and rootfs isnt true Sep 07 17:11:40 naeg: yes, you need to "attach" it first. Sep 07 17:13:25 ok thanks Sep 07 17:18:43 PaulFertser: what's with the kernel? do i have to create a ubi volume called kernel too? Sep 07 17:18:58 naeg: no Sep 07 17:19:03 naeg: the kernel stays the same Sep 07 17:28:43 Poll: What distro you run on your Openmoko phone Sep 07 17:28:44 :) Sep 07 17:28:47 what is this? Sep 07 17:28:50 heh Sep 07 17:29:12 FSO for now. Andriod when I tried it 1-2 months ago still was a bit frustring for me. Sep 07 17:29:20 frustrating. Sep 07 17:30:06 android is cool but the sound is too looooow :) Sep 07 17:30:16 how can it be fixed? Sep 07 17:30:30 I change pcm mixer volume but nothin Sep 07 17:30:45 oh, sorry. s/FSO/SHR. Sep 07 17:30:58 I try fso Sep 07 17:31:07 1 month ago Sep 07 17:31:10 what is the status Sep 07 17:31:14 ? Sep 07 17:31:18 to the wikimobile! Sep 07 17:31:45 dunno, whatever the last community news says about it, I suppose Sep 07 17:32:10 The sound of music Sep 07 17:32:12 panicking: fso is now officially provided by SHR distro. And SHR unstable is quite stable fast and fancy... Proper pim management is coming. Sep 07 17:32:19 the hill are alive with them. Sep 07 17:32:36 :) Sep 07 17:32:48 dammit, that was on TV last night Sep 07 17:32:52 I will try Sep 07 17:32:55 the last time Sep 07 17:33:00 give me strange message Sep 07 17:33:02 without sim Sep 07 17:33:04 :) Sep 07 17:33:10 * Chocky beats panicking for reminding him Sep 07 17:33:54 Android is not perfect, I must fix mms Sep 07 17:33:56 part Sep 07 17:37:25 GPRS works? Sep 07 17:37:37 panicking: mms is marketing shit :( Sep 07 17:39:20 http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/blog/ << thank for this Sep 07 17:45:14 Yes, miss the data/ppp creation Sep 07 17:45:16 I have used Sep 07 17:45:19 in italy Sep 07 17:45:23 with the brawser Sep 07 17:56:30 Hi Sep 07 18:28:13 <_naeg> PaulFertser: after attaching it creates a ubi0_0 node, but i can't mount it Sep 07 18:29:10 naeg: but it definitely looks like a step forward. Sep 07 18:29:19 naeg: how do you mount it? Sep 07 18:29:28 mount -t ubifs ubi0_0 /mnt/ubifs Sep 07 18:29:54 PaulFertser: like described here: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/ubifs.html#L_ubifs_extract Sep 07 18:30:16 it looked to me what we do, but instead of dd we use dfu-util Sep 07 18:31:17 i'll try it with dd now Sep 07 18:31:57 naeg: i wonder what error message in dmesg is Sep 07 18:32:06 naeg: dd is not the write way to flash nand anyway. Sep 07 18:32:23 PaulFertser: like we had before "ubifs_get_sb: cannot open "/dev/ubi0_0", error -22 Sep 07 18:32:25 naeg: the right way is: "flasherase_all /dev/mtd6; nandwrite -p " Sep 07 18:32:49 nandwrite, ok Sep 07 18:33:56 naeg: is ubi0_0 present ? Sep 07 18:34:21 naeg: i mean file /dev/ubi0_0 Sep 07 18:34:51 PaulFertser: yes, as i said ;) Sep 07 18:35:17 naeg: what does ubinfo print? Sep 07 18:35:30 i already did flasherase_all :/ Sep 07 18:35:40 cat /sys/class/ubi/ubi0_0/dev Sep 07 18:35:40 and Sep 07 18:35:40 ls -l /dev/ubi0_0 Sep 07 18:36:48 PaulFertser: i did already flasherase_all Sep 07 18:37:27 naeg: i guess after using nandwrite the result will be exactly the same as after dfu-util, so it doesn't matter. Sep 07 18:38:43 PaulFertser: so dfu-util uses nandwrite? Sep 07 18:38:49 naeg: nah Sep 07 18:38:55 naeg: but the result is the same in the end Sep 07 18:39:18 Well, there're slight differences but they shouldn't matter. Sep 07 18:45:15 PaulFertser: 251:1 and crw-rw---- 1 root root 251, 1 Jan 1 07:50 /dev/ubi0_0 Sep 07 18:45:28 (dont note that date) Sep 07 18:46:05 naeg: looks consistent Sep 07 18:49:51 PaulFertser: it's frustrating me... Sep 07 18:50:11 naeg: well, who promised it'd be easy? ;) Sep 07 18:51:12 PaulFertser: nobody, but i didn't thought it would be so hard...well do you know what i could do now? Sep 07 18:52:00 naeg: i'd read the source code of kernel. -22 means -EINVAL. Probably i'd enable debug in ubifs to make it clear where it fails etc. Sep 07 18:52:06 That's what i'd do. Sep 07 18:53:31 ok great, will do that...tomorrow :) somehow lazy again..should sleep more Sep 07 19:02:43 cu all Sep 07 19:05:37 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * r4ff25fe92212 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock: add WakeupTimeChanged signal Sep 07 19:06:14 Not sure if this is the right room or not to ask this, but I was wondering what the status of the touchscreen filter drivers is with respect to upstream submission? Sep 07 19:06:41 We're working on a project to port Android to OMAP850 based devices (http://wing-linux.sf.net), and we'd be very interested in using the filters for our work Sep 07 19:08:04 Would #openmoko-cdevel be a better place to ask? Sep 07 19:17:41 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8e33c15a3bba 10/fsodeviced/ (5 files in 3 dirs): fsodeviced: add build skeleton for accelerometer devices and plugins Sep 07 19:23:30 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r0c4b12c4df42 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: implement WakeupTimeChanged signal in RTC Sep 07 19:27:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rb840fdddff70 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation (tentative, please don't use yet) Sep 07 19:33:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r28df51280ca9 10/html/index.html: link to new orientation API Sep 07 19:38:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1e814417cae6 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi interfaces.vala): fsoframework: add service path prefix for org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation Sep 07 20:17:36 Hi, is just did an opkg update/upgrade on my SHR unstable. But I still have a problem connecting with my wifi. The access point I am connecting to is a router protected with wep. I can consistently use mokonnect, scan and find my accesspoint, but when I try to apply the settings, the whole phone hangs. If I press the power button to switch off it goes in to kernel panic with a blinking red light from the aux button. Does any one know Sep 07 20:17:36 what the problem is, or know how I can get enough debug information to file a proper bugreport? Sep 07 20:24:03 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * raf8adcff4154 10/fsodeviced/src/ (7 files in 6 dirs): fsodeviced: accelerometer: instanciate accelerometer plugin Sep 07 20:26:34 Daramarak check NWA http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NWA it works pretty well here (didnt test WEP tho) Sep 07 20:26:42 would be worth a try at least i guess. Sep 07 20:30:16 tschaka: Ok, i'll have a look. Sep 07 20:57:14 tschaka: Well it connected to another open network in the neighbourhood out of the box. That is not bad. Sep 07 20:57:24 tshadow: First impression is very good. Sep 07 21:52:03 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r1541ea8a3bce 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: Sep 07 21:52:03 freesmartphone.org: opimd: Messages: implement AddIncoming dbus method Sep 07 21:52:03 freesmartphone.org: It can be used by apps to "deliver" message to user, without writing special Sep 07 21:52:03 freesmartphone.org: opimd backend/handler for that. Sep 07 21:52:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8cee554efe49 10/fsodeviced/ (configure.ac data/Makefile.am): fsodeviced: install dbus configuration file Sep 07 22:28:01 openmoko: 03werner * r5613 10/developers/werner/cncmap/ (14 files in 3 dirs): CNC tools for prototype development, first batch of them. Sep 07 22:54:47 in the Messages app, all my incoming SMS are listed with the time "31.12.1969 20:00" Sep 07 22:55:09 which is 1.1.1970 0:00 UTC for me Sep 07 22:55:21 I'm running SHR 20090602 Sep 07 22:55:41 is this a known bug? Sep 07 23:14:49 running SHR 20090602 is a very rare but known bug for sure ;-P Sep 07 23:16:26 ossguy: honestly, this topic is currently discussed in *-devel. I seen similar issues but not for all my SMS Sep 07 23:16:37 DocScrutinizer: what do you mean? Sep 07 23:16:43 should I be using a newer version? Sep 07 23:16:55 so it's still broken in the latest version in some cases? Sep 07 23:17:00 ossguy: read chan topic Sep 07 23:18:00 this or #openmoko-cdevel? Sep 07 23:18:06 this Sep 07 23:18:34 there's even an image of yesterday, but jury is still out on that one Sep 07 23:19:03 ossguy: "" Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* "" Sep 07 23:19:28 I see Sep 07 23:19:33 so you figure that will fix it? Sep 07 23:19:35 [2009-09-07 22:24:04] *** Das Kanalthema lautet: "Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.*". Sep 07 23:19:36 [2009-09-07 22:24:04] *** Das Thema wurde am 05.09.2009 15:56:03 von DocScrutinizer gesetzt. Sep 07 23:20:53 ossguy: (fix) not sure. As I said, it's currently discussed in devel Sep 07 23:21:02 cdevel even Sep 07 23:21:17 I see Sep 07 23:21:43 is there an upgrade path to 20090808 that doesn't involve re-imaging? (ie. "opkg dist-upgrade" or something) Sep 07 23:22:10 ossguy: not recommended Sep 07 23:22:18 fair enough Sep 07 23:22:19 reflash is much safer Sep 07 23:22:37 are contacts and address book stored on the SIM? Sep 07 23:22:46 I mean saved SMS and address book Sep 07 23:22:49 update&upgrade from there to today is supposedly safe ATM Sep 07 23:22:53 and call log I guess Sep 07 23:23:03 ossguy: (sim) yes Sep 07 23:23:13 call-log no Sep 07 23:23:19 afaik Sep 07 23:23:20 where is that stored? Sep 07 23:23:26 dunno Sep 07 23:23:48 ok Sep 07 23:24:05 so "opkg update; opkg upgrade" should get me to something new that works? Sep 07 23:24:12 I'll backup my current image just to be safe Sep 07 23:24:22 ossguy: make a call and check which file has recent mtime ;-) Sep 07 23:24:32 with find? Sep 07 23:24:37 ossguy: (backup) fair enough Sep 07 23:24:56 ossguy: find a good tool for that, yes Sep 07 23:25:58 ossguy: flash 0808, then do update&upgrade Sep 07 23:26:15 need help Sep 07 23:26:17 :P Sep 07 23:26:22 me too Sep 07 23:26:31 heheh Sep 07 23:26:35 whats ur os? Sep 07 23:26:39 DocScrutinizer: not update/upgrade from 0602? Sep 07 23:26:45 linux? Sep 07 23:26:50 what distro Sep 07 23:26:56 i got to run qtopia Sep 07 23:26:58 ossguy: not recommended as I said Sep 07 23:27:03 ok Sep 07 23:27:26 ossguy need internet connection to install application update Sep 07 23:27:47 rvs1st: I have one of those ;) Sep 07 23:28:12 can u help me laptop is windowz already got access on the ssh .202 Sep 07 23:28:22 hard to play with the ICS Sep 07 23:29:00 can I haz windows help? Sep 07 23:29:01 sorry no idea abot windoze here Sep 07 23:29:07 lolz. Sep 07 23:29:31 hmmm Sep 07 23:29:38 if i switch to debianz Sep 07 23:29:41 or ubuntu Sep 07 23:29:45 can u help me Sep 07 23:29:46 then you uber geekz! Sep 07 23:30:05 i need a xterm for my qtopia waaaah Sep 07 23:30:18 lol Sep 07 23:30:19 maybe. I wrote most of the networking page on the wiki. Sep 07 23:30:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7c6af6e6afa4 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsodeviced: accelerometer_lis302: read and parse values, call delegate for further processing Sep 07 23:30:20 no terminal means its junk Sep 07 23:30:28 but I gotta go. Sep 07 23:30:35 waaaaah Sep 07 23:30:44 just read the USB networkng? Sep 07 23:30:48 waaaaaaah Sep 07 23:30:50 dont go men Sep 07 23:30:54 qte considered junk no matter what they do to help it Sep 07 23:31:31 soo its freaking junk?! tryng to install debian Sep 07 23:31:47 but i don get the part of getting to run it... Sep 07 23:32:09 rvs1st: honestly you'll find few help here for neither windoof nor android and a little more only for qte Sep 07 23:32:12 have to install some freaking appz before running it...it stop cuz of the networkng Sep 07 23:32:35 so what help do i get from theze channel? Sep 07 23:32:38 rvs1st: for debian you may get all the help you need Sep 07 23:32:52 ok im cool with debian.... Sep 07 23:33:02 only of you remove "Z"-key from your keyboard ;-) Sep 07 23:33:21 already partition vfat =8mb reamaining < 1gb is for the rest Sep 07 23:34:00 then i was trying to get the install.sh but i read that there was a problem on the script Sep 07 23:34:22 so any help would do.... i got interested on the qtmoko since it came from the debian os.... Sep 07 23:34:38 I never tried debian, but I know of a bunch of very cute guys who use it for their every day FR purposes since >1/2 year Sep 07 23:34:48 i tried to follow the instruction from qtopia sd isntallation but it just flickers when i tried to boot it nor boot Sep 07 23:34:58 really Sep 07 23:35:05 so what does ur fr runs on? Sep 07 23:35:12 SHR0808 Sep 07 23:35:18 with updates Sep 07 23:35:29 got exterm on it? and wifi and pdf? Sep 07 23:36:15 well, if you know how to "opkg install" it and how to use it, it's at least as good as any of the crap you mentioned before Sep 07 23:36:41 xterm (nah valaterm) of course is default Sep 07 23:37:13 dunno sorry .... Sep 07 23:37:37 wifi is as much a piece of crap still as it is on any other distro Sep 07 23:37:40 would you point me to any resources for debian isntallation?! Sep 07 23:37:50 ping PaulFertser Sep 07 23:38:08 but it's darkest night in his TZ Sep 07 23:38:17 ping PaulFerseter Sep 07 23:38:53 what time he up Sep 07 23:39:02 t+8h Sep 07 23:39:02 sleepin aotm Sep 07 23:39:23 hmm anyone else in mind? Sep 07 23:39:36 not really here and now Sep 07 23:42:40 so wats review for SHR Sep 07 23:45:03 review? Sep 07 23:45:17 minority report? Sep 07 23:48:48 rvs1st: simply download tarball of rootfs as recommended in #chan topic, untar to your uSD ext2/3 partition, copy kernel to vfat partition (rename accordingly, i think uBoot.bin is the name), and there you are. Give it a try, then decide for yourself Sep 07 23:49:47 DocScrutinizer: call logs are stored in /etc/freesmartphone/opim/sqlite-calls.db Sep 07 23:49:52 rvs1st: assuming ""[2009-09-08 01:33:21] already partition vfat =8mb reamaining < 1gb is for the rest"" Sep 07 23:49:53 just in case you wanted to know Sep 07 23:50:07 on SHR 20090602 at least Sep 07 23:50:46 ossguy: I think taht didn't change (though table structure of that db actually might have) Sep 07 23:51:06 ok, I will just use the new images in any case Sep 07 23:51:17 do you know if there are some simple tools to use to grab data from the SIM? Sep 07 23:51:30 ie. a way to get a CSV of the contact list/saved SMS Sep 07 23:51:34 there are mdbus calls Sep 07 23:51:44 documented somewhere? Sep 07 23:52:06 there are scripts to do these dbus calls and convert to CSV even Sep 07 23:52:18 oh yeah? where might I find them? Sep 07 23:52:37 hmm, search wiki. should give some hits Sep 07 23:55:20 ossguy: also opimd-utils has a CSV backend. You'll find in shr-settings Sep 07 23:56:01 but I think it doesn't know how to copy between different backends yet. Sep 07 23:56:52 nevertheless "opimd co list" or sth should give a complete list of all contacts on sim Sep 07 23:57:23 likewise "opimd-cli sm list2 a complete list of sms Sep 07 23:57:40 s/2/"/ Sep 07 23:58:16 opkf install opimd-utils Sep 07 23:58:29 ok, cool; I'll try that Sep 07 23:58:56 and, as dos likes to post then, regularly Sep 07 23:59:04 ~opimd-utils Sep 07 23:59:23 hmm, seems that's been another channel XD Sep 07 23:59:52 [2009-09-08 01:59:40] ~opimd-utils Sep 07 23:59:54 [2009-09-08 01:59:41] well, opimd-utils is not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE*. Sep 08 00:03:29 ~opimd-utils is not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE* Sep 08 00:03:54 APT!! Sep 08 00:04:01 ~botsnack Sep 08 00:05:41 dman, where's apt? o.O Sep 08 00:06:44 !seen apt Sep 08 00:06:46 apt (i=ibot@rikers.org) was last seen quitting from #openslug 3 hours, 49 minutes ago stating (SendQ exceeded). Sep 08 00:07:56 hmpf services fubar Sep 08 00:14:58 roh: ping Sep 08 00:22:06 http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10316812-245.html - GSM easy to crack. Sep 08 00:23:35 A) yes - it is easy to crack. Sep 08 00:23:51 B) Is dropping the barrier to entry by so much a good idea? Sep 08 00:57:17 SpeedEvil: err, seems following the link is mandatory prior to any comment Sep 08 01:00:30 hmm - true. Sep 08 01:00:40 Short answer - someones making rainbow tables for GSM Sep 08 01:04:25 yeah the boring old rainbow story. Thought they had finished it months ago Sep 08 01:04:39 roh knows details Sep 08 01:05:27 * SpeedEvil wonders if this exposes the SIM secret. Sep 08 01:05:50 still you have a hard time getting the raw OTA data anyway Sep 08 01:06:30 yeah Sep 08 01:06:32 (sim) nah, I think that's a true PK Sep 08 01:06:58 time of flight issues and TDMA - and the problems with the radio Sep 08 01:07:10 gnuradio isn't very cheap - but it's not very expensive either Sep 08 01:07:37 bs11 is even cheaper Sep 08 01:07:59 though Harald bought all of them ;-P Sep 08 01:08:26 * SpeedEvil needs to work out how to do 0-2MHz software radio. Sep 08 01:08:36 To track down the miscreant interfering with my DSL. Sep 08 01:09:00 use a AM radio Sep 08 01:09:34 diddn't find anything Sep 08 01:09:51 What I really want is gnudsl :) Sep 08 01:10:16 duh? any "world receiver does 100k..20M afaik Sep 08 01:10:54 yes - I mean I can't seem to find any interference doing that Sep 08 01:11:03 It may not be wideband Sep 08 01:11:32 it may be simple 50Hz hum Sep 08 01:12:03 or crosstalk to your neighbours DSL Sep 08 01:12:46 you should kick-ass the provider and their service dude Sep 08 01:13:46 pfft, analog subscriber lines are the new thing! Sep 08 01:14:18 aah? Sep 08 01:14:24 file: zomg, A/S/L? ;) Sep 08 01:14:29 :D Sep 08 01:16:01 DocScrut: Oh if only it was that simple. Sep 08 01:16:21 please use "doc:" Sep 08 01:16:34 what's the problem? Sep 08 01:17:06 DocScrutinizer: I pay Plusnet for my DSL. They contract with BT Wholesale to connect to my local exchange card. OpenReach then actually come out and play with wires. Sep 08 01:17:35 doc: And I can't actually talk to the people manning the exchange, or the engineers - as they are seperate companies that won't ever talk to end-users. Sep 08 01:18:06 Writing of A/S/L, I actually went on a "date" (she wanted me to call it a meeting) yesterday. I am lonely again today, though. :( Sep 08 01:18:13 so stop to pay until the fix it ;-) Sep 08 01:18:21 doc: It's something wierd - it acts like a heater or something coming on at 11PM-1AM for 0.5-2h. Sep 08 01:18:31 Doc: and then my DSL goes away. Sep 08 01:19:02 Oh - and for added fun - if they don't find a fault - they have the right to charge a 165 quid callout fee. Sep 08 01:19:37 ($300 - not sure what it is in roubles) Sep 08 01:20:35 SpeedEvil: if you can document the failure/downtime, then they need to find the fault. They just can resort to that § of you're a dumbass who forgot to plug in the cable Sep 08 01:21:27 for the time schedule. That actually might be neighbours ADSL modem switched on each night ;-) Sep 08 01:22:36 doc: It causes both my DSL lines to drop by some 20dB - which usually causes them to drop out unless I force an artificially low target SNR. (I can then maintain connection - sometimes - at 256K) Sep 08 01:23:12 cod: meh. And yes - they'd have to do that in a rational society. But in practice - they don't have engineers that work when the fault is occurring. Sep 08 01:23:33 this kind of crosstalk failuremode is actually very common Sep 08 01:24:17 usually they move your wires in the multicore to another pair, and you're happy again Sep 08 01:24:42 What actually annoys me more is the DSLAM/ISP setting my maximum stable rate then to 350K Sep 08 01:24:55 When other than that little bit of the day - it's stable at 1800 Sep 08 01:24:58 ouch Sep 08 01:25:09 yes also a common reaction Sep 08 01:25:39 And of course - there is absolutely no way to turn it back up. Sep 08 01:25:59 SpeedEvil: get a second phoneline with ADSL, then cancel the first Sep 08 01:26:18 only way out of that mess Sep 08 01:26:30 Doc: I did that. Sep 08 01:26:37 doc: the fault affects both lines. Sep 08 01:26:39 duh!?! Sep 08 01:26:45 WTF Sep 08 01:26:50 Indeed. Sep 08 01:30:27 get a good ensurance and shredder the breakout box next to you with your car ;-D Sep 08 01:31:35 or get FDDI ;-) or whatever they call that glass fibre thing Sep 08 01:32:27 both tends to be more expensive than a move to new flat in the end Sep 08 01:33:20 As far as I'm aware I'd need to get cable trenched in to get Sep 08 01:33:23