**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 10 02:59:57 2009 Sep 10 06:38:38 Is there anyway to do right click in shr? Sep 10 06:39:22 johnsu01: there're different tricks Sep 10 06:39:44 johnsu01: are you running x.org there? Then you can try my temporary remapping with xmodmap trick. Sep 10 06:39:57 johnsu01: also if you're interested in generic solution i have a few pointers. Sep 10 06:40:23 PaulFertser: claws-mail generally needs right click to work Sep 10 06:40:40 johnsu01: libgtkstylus trick is limited to gtk obviously. Also there's some tslib trick iirc. Sep 10 06:40:55 johnsu01: why not mutt? Sep 10 06:41:54 hm, well, emacs is here, I guess I can do gnus Sep 10 06:43:03 johnsu01: sure, if you're comfortable with gnus support for the regular mail. Somehow (i don't remember exact reasons) i still prefer mutt for my gmail account, though i'm using gnus regularly for the newsgroups (gmane nntp) and tried it for my mail account too. Sep 10 06:43:30 PaulFertser: Yeah, I use gnus everywhere else for email Sep 10 06:44:26 johnsu01: if you like an idea of using a small widget looking like mouse with an active button highlighted (and to change it you press the widget itself), you can take a look at xmonobut. It's a bit outdated but i think it can be made to work. Sep 10 06:45:02 PaulFertser: Thanks, I'll check it out. I used a widget like that when I first got my FR and I thought it worked well. Sep 10 06:45:45 johnsu01: btw, i spent quite some time trying to cross-compile emacs only to find out that it's not possible in a clear and convenient way. Nevertheless i'm sure we need ready-to-use emacs23 packages for FR or else fso.el wouldn't get enough attention and bugfixes. Sep 10 06:46:16 PaulFertser: Yeah, maybe I can have a look at that this weekend... Sep 10 06:46:34 johnsu01: are you interested in the details? Sep 10 06:46:43 johnsu01: the main problem is emacs building process itself... Sep 10 06:47:14 PaulFertser: Yes, but I think I'm going to sleep before wrestling with anything further Sep 10 06:47:35 johnsu01: first of all, it uses two compiled programs on host during the compilation, one to check "integrity" of the code (useless obviously), the other to generate some docs (not very useful too). Sep 10 06:48:33 johnsu01: the second issue is bootstrapping. I almost got there by substituting a host emacs23 in place of first-stage bootstrap emacs23 and got almost everything needed for it to work, but Sep 10 06:49:52 johnsu01: the final stage should be performed on an ARM device because it's basically "temacs" executable loading into the memory the core lisp code and then "dumping" itself becoming an "emacs" executable. So this step needs to be outsourced to qemu/FR, other than that i almost got decent Debian packages. Sep 10 06:51:16 johnsu01: alternatively, you can build emacs23 on FR itself and it should take less than 12 hours provided you use distcc to outsource all C compiling to crosscompiler. Sep 10 06:52:09 PaulFertser: Hm, I compiled it just fine previously with distcc in just a couple hours Sep 10 06:52:11 right click: tslib has a right click support patch Sep 10 06:52:29 johnsu01: 4-5 hours is less than 12. Sep 10 06:53:01 johnsu01: to sum up, count me in, i'd like to see up-to-date emacs23 packages readily available from somewhere. Sep 10 06:53:04 you need to inject that option using hal policy when using hal or in xorg.conf when statically configured Sep 10 06:53:50 PaulFertser: Okay, I will see what I can do, I'm interested in getting it working again Sep 10 06:53:54 cz_jc: i personally like xmonobut approach more than "hold it for 2 sec" right-click. Sep 10 06:54:20 PaulFertser, the 'hold it' approach is a bit rusty.. for example it doesn't know when you're actually trying to drag Sep 10 06:55:09 cz_jc: proves my point :) Sep 10 06:56:05 PaulFertser, well I think thats a point to improve it, not to throw it away :) Sep 10 06:56:22 there could be something like movement threshold implemented Sep 10 06:56:24 cz_jc: what's wrong with xmonobut way? Sep 10 06:56:34 AFAIK, the patch wasn't even sent to tslib maintainers, thats bad imo Sep 10 06:56:40 its work of debian folklore Sep 10 06:56:59 PaulFertser, I used that a lot on the DS and I hated it.. Sep 10 06:57:07 PaulFertser, I just prefer the hold way :) Sep 10 06:59:31 in Gentoo, we just copied it into our tree and patch it anyway, theres no upstream tracking bug open for it Sep 10 06:59:46 does anyone here know tslib devs by chance ? Sep 10 09:21:13 hi Sep 10 09:23:22 hey Sep 10 09:55:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r9828afec5b68 10/ (tests/testeina.vala vapi/elm.vapi): elm.vapi: add Index object as per upstream SVN rev 42379 Sep 10 14:39:47 hello. Sep 10 14:40:46 has anyone had trouble setting up swap on their SD card ... using shr unstable Sep 10 14:43:36 swapon keeps failing ... it says "can't stat.../foo/bar/swapfile: location does not exist" Sep 10 14:43:54 but /foo/bar/swapfile is there Sep 10 14:46:25 stongo, whay do you use a swapfile? Sep 10 14:49:05 probably because he as only as much ram as I do in his freerunner, which is a good reason to use one Sep 10 14:50:04 swapfile on embedded device Sep 10 14:50:07 is not so common Sep 10 14:50:11 I never used it Sep 10 14:51:58 you need ne when running apps like OOo on it ;) Sep 10 14:54:06 panicking: for running upgrade Sep 10 14:54:10 ,37 Sep 10 14:54:12 it freezes on me Sep 10 14:54:33 can you stop Sep 10 14:54:39 the xserver Sep 10 14:54:45 ? Sep 10 14:54:53 when it freezes? Sep 10 14:56:18 I think it's handy to be able to setup a swapfile.. I just don't get why it's failing on swapon Sep 10 14:56:42 The update in the fso Sep 10 14:56:44 is done using Sep 10 14:56:50 apt-get o ipkg Sep 10 14:56:50 ? Sep 10 14:56:58 Is it a shell command Sep 10 14:56:59 ? Sep 10 14:58:13 first mkswap /foo/bar/swapfile Sep 10 14:58:23 and then swapon /foo/bar/swapfile Sep 10 14:58:51 but it keeps failing. my friend has done it with no problem, running the exact same commands, so i'm very confused right now Sep 10 14:59:30 i'm setting it at /media/card/tmp/swapfile ... same location as my friend Sep 10 15:02:26 not even Mr. Google has been able to help me. can't even find anyone who's had the same problem. Sep 10 15:05:14 wait a minute Sep 10 15:05:55 what is the error Sep 10 15:05:56 ? Sep 10 15:06:25 here's the instructin i'm following: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#SwapSpace Sep 10 15:06:31 you can't swap on jffs Sep 10 15:06:55 you can't mmap Sep 10 15:06:59 on a jffs2 Sep 10 15:07:02 swapon: cannot stat /media/card/tmp/swapfile: No such file or directory Sep 10 15:08:17 so that's the problem? I can't setup a swap on a jffs2 image I've flashed? Sep 10 15:08:25 HI all I have got my NEO toda Sep 10 15:09:39 congratulations uberneo :) Sep 10 15:09:52 to find which revision i have ..this is the outout i am getting /proc/cpuinfo --- Revision : 24420360 Sep 10 15:10:08 which one it will be Sep 10 15:10:59 You can never swap on any file on a jffs filesystem Sep 10 15:11:19 create a empty Sep 10 15:11:20 file Sep 10 15:11:23 using o loop Sep 10 15:11:28 jssf2 is the filesystem on the flash but the swapfile is located on the sd-card which doesn't use jffs2 so why shouldn't it work? i also have a swapfile for ma OS in flash Sep 10 15:11:31 and format as a partition Sep 10 15:11:33 ext3 Sep 10 15:11:38 use lopp device Sep 10 15:11:40 to mount it Sep 10 15:11:51 is it possible Sep 10 15:11:52 ? Sep 10 15:12:01 i don't think he want to add a swapfile on the flash Sep 10 15:12:21 os is installed in flash and swapfile is on sd-card works without problems Sep 10 15:13:11 but it would make no sense to add a swapfile on the flash build in the neo Sep 10 15:13:22 panicking: are you trying to find out if it's writable? I did "mv swapfile swapfilenew" to test if it was writable. it worked fine. Sep 10 15:14:09 the card is formatted as ext3 already Sep 10 15:14:26 i also tried formatting as vfat with same results Sep 10 15:14:38 sounds good. my sd card is also ext3 Sep 10 15:15:35 ls -l /media/card/tmp/swapfile Sep 10 15:16:18 don't know why these basic commands doesn't work for you. i only did dd for creating my swapfile and then mkswap and swapon with that file to activate it Sep 10 15:17:05 panicking: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 67108864 Sep 10 15:17:11 maybe the kernel.log or messages.log file has any more info why it doesn't work? Sep 10 15:17:33 fox: i did exactly that... dd, mkswap and swapon Sep 10 15:18:57 "No such file or directory" is quite a mysterious error message if the file exists :) Sep 10 15:19:17 another error I get when I don't include the path and run swapon from /media/card/tmp is : "swapon: /swapfile: Invalide Argument" Sep 10 15:19:35 *Invalid Sep 10 15:20:14 already tried in the ircnet channel #linux or #linux.de? there are real linux cracks :) Sep 10 15:20:33 -v Sep 10 15:20:35 please Sep 10 15:20:41 can you try with verbose info Sep 10 15:20:42 ? Sep 10 15:21:38 swapon -v Sep 10 15:22:47 -v is not a valid option Sep 10 15:23:04 fox: no I haven't.. I'll try there Sep 10 15:23:08 you have the busybox implemntetin Sep 10 15:23:21 panicking: yes Sep 10 15:23:30 first thing i did in shr-u was to replace all busybox tools ;) Sep 10 15:23:32 v1.13.2 Sep 10 15:23:52 hrm... could that be causing the problem? Sep 10 15:23:54 maybe this is the it... try to use the real tools Sep 10 15:24:13 how do I switch ? Sep 10 15:24:17 most busybox tools are restricted compared to the original tools Sep 10 15:24:34 just install the tools and they will replace the busybox tools Sep 10 15:25:42 ok, let me try that! Sep 10 15:25:47 thanks for everyone's time and help Sep 10 15:26:18 no problem Sep 10 15:26:56 util-linux should be the package which you need Sep 10 15:30:10 hi, which is the standard browser in shr-u, can't find anything in the repos? Sep 10 15:30:25 hw do i find the hardware version of my Neo Sep 10 15:36:51 found the problem with swapon Sep 10 15:36:53 "/bin/sh: stat: not found" Sep 10 15:37:22 is swapon and mkswap a bash script or why do you need sh for that to work? Sep 10 15:37:55 because swapon calls stat apparently Sep 10 15:38:08 ah okok, so "stat" is missing? :) Sep 10 15:38:37 yes, that is the problem Sep 10 15:38:46 but I have no idea why it's missing Sep 10 15:38:52 busybox? Sep 10 15:39:17 search for the package stat relates to and reinstall it Sep 10 15:40:15 busybox is a partial implementation Sep 10 15:40:21 of a series of command Sep 10 15:41:34 i'm just curious why no one using shr-u has had this problem.. maybe it was just the particular image I installed Sep 10 15:49:37 moo Sep 10 16:31:41 hi! Sep 10 16:32:16 considering my frameworkd.conf http://debian.pastebin.com/m771caf56 do you think it is normal i can't give a call even if i catch gsm network ? Sep 10 16:32:32 (i use SHR-unstable freshly upgraded) Sep 10 16:35:00 no idea ? Sep 10 16:45:04 I have no idea in what happen Sep 10 16:45:10 but can you describe Sep 10 16:45:10 ? Sep 10 16:45:20 Because I have a quite similar layer Sep 10 16:45:23 in android system Sep 10 17:02:47 Hi, can anyone help me with debian install problem? Sep 10 17:31:25 DocScrutinizer: Are you there? Sep 10 17:36:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc20384fdb657 10/fsodeviced/src/lib/resource.vala: fsodeviced: remove debugging code Sep 10 18:16:34 can someone explain to me how to install (updated) android on my freerunner? Sep 10 18:16:48 openmoko.org guide is terrible Sep 10 18:17:32 i have freerunner-cupcake-snapshot-v15.jffs2 Sep 10 18:17:43 but i cann't mount it Sep 10 18:18:25 CooL_SPoT: how are you trying to install? flash? Sep 10 18:18:35 SD Sep 10 18:18:49 where's the trouble so far? Sep 10 18:18:55 i downloaded Mntjffs.sh Sep 10 18:19:02 but it give me errors Sep 10 18:19:21 the trouble is trying to mount the file system to copy it Sep 10 18:19:36 ahh...have you read any of the mount jffs2 stuff on the wiki? Sep 10 18:20:00 one second Sep 10 18:20:03 i will have a look Sep 10 18:20:22 do you have a link to that script? Sep 10 18:20:42 one second Sep 10 18:20:46 i will try the manual Sep 10 18:20:50 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jffs2 Sep 10 18:21:33 what's your distro? Sep 10 18:21:44 okk, worked :) Sep 10 18:21:48 mandriva Sep 10 18:22:10 now i will copy the files Sep 10 18:22:14 should be OK then...let me know if you get it running...i got as far as kernel running, then it panicked on the file system Sep 10 18:22:33 what kernel did you used? Sep 10 18:22:38 http://www.vg.no/teknologi/artikkel.php?artid=578201 Sep 10 18:23:21 the one from panicking site Sep 10 18:24:01 uImage-v24.bin? Sep 10 18:24:09 sounds right...hang on Sep 10 18:24:43 yeah...24 Sep 10 18:25:20 i think i tried a couple of the others, but couldn't boot the fs Sep 10 18:27:13 amm Sep 10 18:27:24 something wired Sep 10 18:27:37 the "data" directory on the image is empty Sep 10 18:30:04 i believe that is as it should be...gets filled with your stuff Sep 10 18:30:11 music, photos and such Sep 10 18:30:39 the typical install put the "data" directory on a fat partition Sep 10 18:30:48 :) ok Sep 10 18:32:20 installed Sep 10 18:32:24 now lets try it Sep 10 18:41:47 and? Sep 10 18:42:03 CooL_SPoT: any luck? Sep 10 18:42:18 didn't got t Sep 10 18:42:28 didn't got the part it boots :) Sep 10 18:42:34 ? Sep 10 18:42:42 it booted to the flash Sep 10 18:42:43 it does boot? Sep 10 18:42:54 you mean NAND? Sep 10 18:42:58 yes Sep 10 18:43:00 to the NAND Sep 10 18:43:06 you're using qi? Sep 10 18:43:15 yep Sep 10 18:43:23 did you rename the kernel? Sep 10 18:43:28 i did something wrong Sep 10 18:43:59 you have to have a /boot directory and kernel has to have a specific name for qi to recognize it Sep 10 18:44:00 does it need to boot from FAT partition? Sep 10 18:44:03 no Sep 10 18:44:08 it didn't for me... Sep 10 18:44:16 its ext3 Sep 10 18:44:35 should be fine...did you put kernel in /boot directory? and rename it for qi? Sep 10 18:44:44 wired :| Sep 10 18:44:48 you are right Sep 10 18:44:53 the file isn't in the right place Sep 10 18:45:13 is it named correctly? Sep 10 18:45:26 yep Sep 10 18:45:29 UndrWater: heh, you're doing good ;) Sep 10 18:45:30 i will try to boot again Sep 10 18:45:47 PaulFertser: not bad for a social worker? Sep 10 18:46:02 UndrWater: indeed Sep 10 18:46:12 ok Sep 10 18:46:16 now i see it boots Sep 10 18:46:22 and yes Sep 10 18:46:25 a kernel panic Sep 10 18:46:26 :) Sep 10 18:46:41 "no init found" Sep 10 18:46:54 i couldn't get past that point...there are some init scripts at the download site thet probably will help... Sep 10 18:47:07 i haven't had time to play with them though Sep 10 18:47:14 what was the panic Sep 10 18:48:39 such as the init.rc-cupcake Sep 10 18:48:54 but the kernel has to reconize the fs first Sep 10 18:49:29 on the wiki i see Sep 10 18:49:31 "wget http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/android/init.rc" Sep 10 18:49:37 to the root directory Sep 10 18:50:18 CooL_SPoT: also look at http://www.fragcom.de/android/ Sep 10 18:50:29 there's a kernel specific to ext3...just saw that one Sep 10 18:55:23 CooL_SPoT: let me know how it goes Sep 10 18:55:35 np Sep 10 19:37:43 anyone else here, using shr-unstable, and noticed that the sketch app doesn't work? i receive about 4 or 4 messages informingme of missing .png files and then it reports an application error. Sep 10 19:40:42 djp`: iirc it worked for me...but i never really liked it...i prefer xournal (may be heavier though) Sep 10 19:45:30 UndrWater. thanks. i've just been checking out the install. just wondered if it was a default install issue, but probably not if you've had it working. maybe my install went weird when that app was being downloaded? Sep 10 20:12:33 djp`: nah, it's borked in current upgrade level Sep 10 20:16:16 I'm looking for the site that was logging cellphone mast IDs Sep 10 20:16:22 can anyone remind me of the name? Sep 10 20:16:30 I'm currently trying to get my 3G dongle workin Sep 10 20:16:31 g Sep 10 20:30:12 djp`: opkg install gpe-icons Sep 10 20:32:26 djp`: missing dependency in gpe-sketch Sep 10 20:37:10 brolin: hey Sep 10 20:38:22 brolin: (speaking of purism) your message is not conformant to 80-columns traditional terminal width ;) Sep 10 20:44:20 someone PLEASE create a simple installation for android for freerunner Sep 10 20:44:23 :| Sep 10 20:45:11 brolin: (women) i'm also surprised to realise there's almost no female "advanced" users and even less developers in our (and other free software) communities. :-/ I know 3 girls who use Gentoo but they're still not nearly as nerdy as e.g. me. Sep 10 20:45:39 CooL_SPoT: android sucks -- semi-open end-user targeted shit ;) Sep 10 20:46:22 it may be sucks Sep 10 20:46:36 but no other os on freerunner have as much as applications Sep 10 20:46:42 CooL_SPoT: lol Sep 10 20:46:48 CooL_SPoT: debian has more i bet Sep 10 20:47:00 debian applications are desktop applications Sep 10 20:47:06 not mobile ones Sep 10 20:47:45 for a mobile device applications need to be easier to use Sep 10 20:47:56 CooL_SPoT: android applications are mostly proprietary end-user targeted "mobile"/useless apps. AFAIK Sep 10 20:48:08 did you try use debian on freerunner ? Sep 10 20:48:17 its so slooooooowww Sep 10 20:48:18 CooL_SPoT: yeah desktop apllications like xskat or gpe-calendar won't work on freerunner Sep 10 20:48:20 CooL_SPoT: i use it as my only cellphone since November. Sep 10 20:49:07 Defiant: try to use abiword Sep 10 20:49:12 its nearly impossible Sep 10 20:49:31 CooL_SPoT: why would I want to do that? Sep 10 20:49:48 amm Sep 10 20:49:51 I don't want to use WYSIWIG shit even on desktop ;) Sep 10 20:50:00 ^ Sep 10 20:51:12 did you manage to make debian work at normal speed under freerunner? Sep 10 20:51:35 what is normal for you? Sep 10 20:51:51 Let's better discuss gals! Sep 10 20:51:59 normal is that you don't need to wait a long time before things work Sep 10 20:52:28 you clikc on icon, and don't wait long time before it works Sep 10 20:52:37 *click Sep 10 20:54:55 CooL_SPoT: like you always wait 30s until xterm starts? Sep 10 20:55:35 PaulFertser: take them under your wing Sep 10 20:55:40 30s? Sep 10 20:55:49 thirty seconds Sep 10 20:55:49 its a long time Sep 10 20:56:24 i have now om2008 Sep 10 20:57:59 more like 5-10, but i agree it takes too long Sep 10 20:58:14 i think the overall feel would be improved a LOT if we could find a way to make things open quicker Sep 10 20:58:16 UndrWater: Do you mean them==gals==girls? Sep 10 20:58:28 correct Sep 10 20:59:50 Weiss: I don't really think thats a good idea. The only way I could think of is by loading apps into ram - and 128MB is really not much Sep 10 21:00:19 UndrWater: wouldn't "taking under a wing" be against general notion of equality? Sep 10 21:00:42 Weiss: but xterm really needs 10s for you? Sep 10 21:01:10 DocScrutinizer-8: hi there. :) thanks. so by installing the gpe-icons, it will fix the missing pixmaps and allow the app to run? Sep 10 21:01:27 yes Sep 10 21:01:37 CooL_SPoT: let me tell you, for me xterm started in 9 seconds (and that is slow xterm, not fast urxvtc, and slow bash, not fast dash). Sep 10 21:02:03 PaulFertser: not in my view...while the "them" in current conversation == gals, it could be any kind of student being taught, led, encouraged by a teacher Sep 10 21:02:35 if teacher / student relationship is viewed as unequal, then maybe Sep 10 21:03:49 UndrWater: most of my students don't want to feel equal, they say: "you're uber-smart and we're not, do not demand anything from us". Sep 10 21:05:27 PaulFertser: i can't stand that kind of thinking...but in my country US, we seem to encourage it Sep 10 21:06:06 UndrWater: i'm not sure but probably here it's even worse. We have several factors. Sep 10 21:06:44 UndrWater: first is the fact it's easy to get anything provided you have enough money. Can't pass the test -- just give somebody some money. Sep 10 21:07:07 UndrWater: second is that there's no well-defined exam tests, all exam results are highly subjective. Sep 10 21:07:12 PaulFertser: sounds kind of familiar Sep 10 21:07:23 that's different Sep 10 21:08:23 UndrWater: third is we still have mandatory military service and boys who go to universities get delay from it for the time of education (during that they can collect enough money to somehow avoid the military service or they can "contunue" education and get a degree with which the military service is not mandatory). Sep 10 21:08:33 hmm xterm starts in much less then 10s here Sep 10 21:09:12 UndrWater: as to the girls -- some of them clearly don't have any idea why they came to the university, so they lack not only skills but also a motivation :-/ Sep 10 21:09:23 PaulFertser: sounds like "mandatory" military service then Sep 10 21:09:46 UndrWater: yeah, very true Sep 10 21:09:53 PaulFertser: we have "community colleges" where women come to find husbands Sep 10 21:10:37 UndrWater: oh, i was told several times that it's one of the main factors for women to "study" but i could never really believe it. Sep 10 21:11:21 PaulFertser: i think women are still a bit socialized not to study too hard, or go into traditionally male dominated fieds Sep 10 21:11:24 *fields Sep 10 21:12:38 PaulFertser: pay scale for women is still discriminatory here as well, so that must be a bit demotivating Sep 10 21:13:16 UndrWater: OTOH i can hardly imagine how that "a bit" can lead to the situation where i know of no free software project where leading role was taken by a woman. Neither do i know anything about "great female hackers" or the like. It's hardly explainable only by "improper breeding" and the like. Sep 10 21:14:23 PaulFertser: so maybe "a bit" is an underestimation...or something else is going on Sep 10 21:15:14 UndrWater: my impression was that in both Europe and USA women are pretty much emancipated for quite some time already. Sep 10 21:16:46 PaulFertser: depends on what you mean by "emancipation" ;) things are way better than they were 40 years ago...but "official" reality is way different that "social" reality Sep 10 21:17:33 UndrWater: i guess the same can be applied also to "race equality" Sep 10 21:18:24 * Chocky dances on all your heads Sep 10 21:18:41 Chocky: please refrain from OT ;) Sep 10 21:18:50 * Chocky dances on all your FRs Sep 10 21:19:03 :P Sep 10 21:19:07 Man, you're kinky Sep 10 21:19:08 PaulFertser: indeed Sep 10 21:19:57 "Erotic is using a feather; Kinky is using the whole chicken" Sep 10 21:22:24 how about just using the chicken foot Sep 10 21:23:04 umm...i hope no one needing help is being derailed by this convo? Sep 10 21:24:13 I hope some android apologets are. :P Sep 10 21:24:30 apologists? Sep 10 21:25:32 is a fso-cli image my best choice if i want a low battery drain, and only use the gps for logging? Sep 10 21:26:23 Chocky: yeah, sure Sep 10 21:44:01 anybody here use (k)ubuntu 9.04 with a reliable way to establish usb networking? Sep 10 21:46:42 ajvogel: what makes your way unreliable? Sep 10 21:47:40 ajvogel: and be aware it differs with the distro you're using on the phone Sep 10 21:48:16 UndrWater: It seems ad hoc, I have to try several times to get a connection. When I do get a connection and ssh in to the FR, sometimes it freezes after a few minutes Sep 10 21:48:42 what distro? Sep 10 21:48:50 SHR-U Sep 10 21:48:58 latest update? Sep 10 21:49:55 updated about a week ago. Got the connection working now. So gonna try and upgrade to the latest while I have the connection Sep 10 21:50:14 btw...is it usb0 or ethx? Sep 10 21:50:22 ehtx Sep 10 21:50:56 it freezed again halfway through opkg update Sep 10 21:51:38 are you sure ubuntu is the problem? Sep 10 21:51:49 can you update via wifi using the terminal without usb? Sep 10 21:54:21 afraid, haven`t got wifi sorted out yet. Figured it was ubuntu since i`ve had similar results with different versions of SHR-U and Om2009 Sep 10 21:56:08 its just really getting annoying now since im trying to sort out the other stuff on my FR, but it takes ages to get a connection. Sep 10 22:04:06 does fso milestone 5.5 implement all that 5.1 implements (only faster), or is it a comple rewrite from scratch ? Sep 10 22:07:55 impelment all that 5.1 but have less bugs and couple new features Sep 10 22:11:21 thanks Sep 10 22:11:40 it does however not look like 5.5 has a console-image, only zhone-images Sep 10 22:12:24 and i think i want the console-one Sep 10 22:14:16 fso milestone 5.5 itself is a software framework Sep 10 22:14:27 not disto, not some packages, not anything except this Sep 10 22:17:14 aha Sep 10 22:17:20 i see Sep 10 22:23:03 but they thiss appear to have zhone-images. Sep 10 22:23:23 I donæt feel like kompiling my own kernel :-? and "installing" fso there Sep 10 22:23:43 you can take shr-unstable and use fso5.5 Sep 10 22:27:20 (never tried shr) - it delivered w. graphics and preinstalled programs, right? Sep 10 22:29:07 yes Sep 10 22:29:28 that's what i dont want :) Sep 10 22:29:51 so install, and remove unneed Sep 10 22:30:02 or take your favorite distro Sep 10 22:43:26 well, if anyone can point me in the direction of something that feels like a fso5.5-console-image, i'll be happy Sep 10 22:43:30 god night Sep 10 22:46:31 Kagee: install SHR-U, then do "opkg remove -force-depends X" and you're pretty much done ;-) Sep 10 22:47:14 that was quick Sep 10 22:47:24 Will that remove x aswell ? Sep 10 22:48:01 well the idea is to remove X-server and all that depends on it Sep 10 22:48:28 thanks - i'll try that tomorrow Sep 10 22:48:29 maybe you need to remove xglamo, or xorg. Not sure about that Sep 10 22:49:39 just check what packages are installed - with opkg Sep 10 22:49:59 I'm sure you'll figure easily Sep 10 23:12:49 openmoko: 03werner * r5625 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (Makefile components/INFO): Sep 10 23:12:49 openmoko: - top-level "make gen" and "make upload" now also visit expanded/ and modules/ Sep 10 23:12:49 openmoko: - components/INFO rt9702 vs. rt9013 mixup (patch by Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Sep 10 23:28:40 moo Sep 10 23:37:08 mootoo Sep 10 23:40:07 openmoko: 03werner * r5626 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (7 files): Sep 10 23:40:07 openmoko: - bare pads are now drawn in orange, so that one can see if a pad has a special Sep 10 23:40:07 openmoko: solder mask pattern Sep 10 23:40:07 openmoko: - postscript.c: don't scale fonts down to nothing to make measurement text fit Sep 10 23:40:07 openmoko: (in progress) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 11 03:00:00 2009