**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 13 02:59:56 2009 Sep 13 04:18:10 so wats up with the shr-unstable images? Sep 13 04:19:48 are they just 6 days late or ? Sep 13 09:58:34 openmoko: 03werner * r5634 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (11 files): (log message trimmed) Sep 13 09:58:34 openmoko: - the set of layers of a pad is now maintained in the instance, so that we can Sep 13 09:58:34 openmoko: make adjustments when removing layers provided by specialized pads Sep 13 09:58:34 openmoko: - gui_inst.c: moved gc construction from gui_draw_pad and gui_draw_rpad to Sep 13 09:58:35 openmoko: shared pad_gc Sep 13 09:58:37 openmoko: - layer.h: new home of all definitions related to pads and layers Sep 13 09:58:39 openmoko: - layer.c: Sep 13 10:31:16 Hi, I have a little problem by receiving new short messages. I get message and moko said that. If I open messages but only the old ones are shown. Where is the new message? Sep 13 10:45:27 hi Sep 13 10:45:44 I've a problem with android on my neo Sep 13 10:45:57 it doesn't recoginize my micro sd card Sep 13 10:46:16 I've read the stuff on the wiki but that doesn't help Sep 13 10:49:30 check with fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Sep 13 10:52:03 Which sd card do you use? Size, model, .. Sep 13 10:59:47 CosmicDuck: i'd suggest to first check dmesg output, because if it doesn't recognise the card, it means it shows some errors there. Sep 13 11:00:06 CosmicDuck: then i'd suggest to try with increased drive strength and/or reduced max clock frequency. Sep 13 11:11:08 openmoko: 03werner * r5635 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) Sep 13 11:11:08 openmoko: - inst.c: cleanup_inst leaked memory when using special pads Sep 13 11:11:08 openmoko: - changed pad classification in instances from bare/other to copper/special Sep 13 11:11:08 openmoko: - moved LAYER_* definitions from layer.h to layer.c Sep 13 11:11:08 openmoko: - after instantiation, we perform sanity checks on pads and remove layers from Sep 13 11:11:11 openmoko: coppery pads that are handled by a special layer Sep 13 11:11:13 openmoko: - fped.y: the line number in objects was never set Sep 13 11:17:35 CosmicDuck, I don't have any terminal access with android, how do I get it? Sep 13 11:42:57 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rb9a9cfe8556e 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: GenericDomain: move new get_full_content function out of comment ;x Sep 13 12:33:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r24f52e8e00d0 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: Sep 13 12:33:39 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: fix SMS timezone being parsed incorrectly for places where GMT<0 Sep 13 12:33:39 freesmartphone.org: Fixes FSO #476. Patch courtesy "dkogan", thanks a lot! Sep 13 12:52:45 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r664e9533c5c9 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimb_sim_messages_fso.py pimd_generic.py): Merge commit 'origin/dos/opimd-tracking' into dos/opimd-tracking Sep 13 13:04:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r6a6bdd50b19c 10/ (48 files in 2 dirs): regenerate Sep 13 13:04:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rcdb5e999fb15 10/org.freesmartphone.Device/org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock: new signal org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock.Alarm(i) Sep 13 13:07:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r7608c8d98bb6 10/src/ (6 files): regen Sep 13 13:13:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r27c6d79ffc87 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_rtc/plugin.vala: Sep 13 13:13:21 freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kernel26_rtc: send new dbus signals Sep 13 13:13:21 freesmartphone.org: * org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock.WakeupTimeChanged(i) when the wakeup time has been changed Sep 13 13:13:21 freesmartphone.org: * org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock.Alarm(i) when the wakeup time has been reached Sep 13 13:16:41 openmoko: 03werner * r5636 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (Makefile README gui.html manual/concept-inst.fig): Sep 13 13:16:41 openmoko: - README: added link to the GUI manual Sep 13 13:16:41 openmoko: - added a conceptual explanation of instantiation (with picture) Sep 13 13:20:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb47d0fede191 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_rtc/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_rtc: throw dbus error, if requested wakeup time is not in the future Sep 13 13:28:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4ec6d36e4928 10/fsonetworkd/src/plugins/sharing/sharing.vapi: fsonetworkd: sharing.vapi no longer necessary, we do it all in vala now Sep 13 13:31:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r82b066330325 10/fsonetworkd/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsonetworkd: ship dbus configuration and system activation files Sep 13 13:37:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1c8a2a60317f 10/fsonetworkd/src/bin/main.vala: fsonetworkd: shut down can't load any plugins Sep 13 13:37:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r069d9895894e 10/fsousaged/src/ (bin/main.vala plugins/controller/plugin.vala): fsousaged: shut down if can't load any plugins Sep 13 13:39:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rda6f138b21d9 10/fsodeviced/src/bin/main.vala: fsodeviced: shut down if can't load any plugins Sep 13 13:42:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9adf9a0e06d0 10/fsogsmd/src/bin/main.vala: fsogsmd: don't start if can't load any plugins Sep 13 13:43:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1e42fdcad51a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: on closing, drop out of muxing mode and power off the modem (AT@POFF) Sep 13 13:54:35 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r7ff2214374fb 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking Sep 13 14:01:48 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * red29786dacec 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: comment out not-really-well-thought (read as: why the hell is it there?) code Sep 13 15:27:08 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07phonesim * r20c231f304a4 10/lib/ (63 files in 6 dirs): remove .svn files Sep 13 15:43:53 does anybody else see navit-svn segfault on latest shr? Sep 13 17:03:53 SHR reports -xxxmA, is that because it is charging? Sep 13 17:05:02 Kagee: yes Sep 13 17:21:49 does anyone know if the problem with 3g sim cards is hardware or software related? Sep 13 17:22:31 andrew2325: do you have gsm firmware upgraded? that problem should be already fixed Sep 13 17:22:58 dos1 how do i go about upgrading the gsm firmware? Sep 13 17:23:14 andrew2325: it was explained everywhere possible :/ Sep 13 17:23:22 andrew2325: start with http://wiki.openmoko.org/ Sep 13 17:26:40 thanks. i quit using the freerunner for a long time when i got a 3g simcard. Sep 13 17:26:47 i didn't know the problem had been resolved Sep 13 17:27:57 PaulFertser: do you remember what was the fix for GSM+GPS trashing the uSD Sep 13 17:27:58 ? Sep 13 17:32:21 Q-Master, the GSM fix trashes the microsd card? Sep 13 17:34:07 andrew2325: nop. GPS enabled while calling someone trashes some big uSD cards. I have this issue on my 8Gb Kingston uSD card Sep 13 17:34:09 8( Sep 13 17:34:29 dang Sep 13 17:35:18 q-master, are you using SHR? Sep 13 17:35:30 yep Sep 13 17:35:39 yikes Sep 13 17:35:41 it is not distro-dependent Sep 13 17:35:56 it is a bug of freerunner itself Sep 13 17:36:02 i never use gps anyway Sep 13 17:36:46 Q-Master: another hardware bug? Sep 13 17:37:01 why "another"? Sep 13 17:37:08 it's old Sep 13 17:38:26 another becouse there are some eka, buzz and problem with bass ets Sep 13 17:47:22 wow, SHR has come up in the world. Sep 13 17:50:57 any gta01 users in the room? Sep 13 18:00:07 any gta01 + shr users in the room? Sep 13 18:00:21 no more than when you asked a few mins ago :p Sep 13 18:01:03 Q-Master: the fix?.. changing a card i'm afraid. Sep 13 18:01:19 srj: i'm one of those. Sep 13 18:02:58 PaulFertser: i'm having problems with running gllin, it segfaults. Sep 13 18:03:13 srj: oh Sep 13 18:03:18 srj: whan version are you using? Sep 13 18:04:05 PaulFertser: gllin is 1.1 , kernel is 2.6.29-rc3 Sep 13 18:04:37 srj: can you please "zgrep OABI /proc/config.gz" ? Sep 13 18:05:24 zgrep is not installed Sep 13 18:05:40 zcat /proc/config.gz | grep OABI Sep 13 18:06:04 OABI badness Sep 13 18:06:23 PaulFertser:# CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT is not set Sep 13 18:06:38 srj: are you surely running the latest kernel from the SHR repos? Sep 13 18:06:44 andi: # CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT is not set Sep 13 18:07:02 srj: iirc shr scripts do not update the kernel in NAND, you have to flash it yourself (you can do it from userland). Sep 13 18:07:15 PaulFertser: i am not sure, which one is the latest kernel? Sep 13 18:07:36 srj: a35blablabla Sep 13 18:08:23 ~seen dave Sep 13 18:08:25 dave was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 94d 23h 7m 49s ago, saying: ' are you using Windows?, Dave'. Sep 13 18:08:28 PaulFertser: i guess i can dfu-util the new kernel, and leave the rootfs untouched.. right? Sep 13 18:08:34 PaulFertser: uhm the last time I tested shr upgrade it did write some kernel stuff to nand Sep 13 18:08:47 srj: not exactly. You want to have all the corresponding modules installed too. Sep 13 18:09:23 Defiant: ok, i'm not sure of that part, especially for gta01. But thanks for the info anyway. Sep 13 18:10:07 PaulFertser: no idea about GTA01, but gta02 it did Sep 13 18:10:43 PaulFertser: hmm, so how am i supposed to upgrade the latest kernel? Sep 13 18:10:56 srj: "opkg update && opkg upgrade" Sep 13 18:11:50 PaulFertser: ok. will try. thanks. any more advice? Sep 13 18:13:28 srj: until you run a kernel with OABI support, no. Sep 13 18:14:12 srj: if you use GSM the advice is to always "cold-boot" (remove the battery before booting) for now, this will be fixed tomorrow or the day after. Sep 13 18:28:57 PaulFertser: I've seen some fix for that. changing card is not a solution Sep 13 18:30:56 Q-Master: one guy said he shielded his card somehow iirc. Sep 13 18:31:11 Q-Master: btw, have you tried using drive strength 1 or more? Sep 13 18:31:25 PaulFertser: ? Sep 13 18:32:52 Q-Master: sd drive strength, changeable even runtime through /sys/modules/glamo_mci/... Sep 13 18:33:16 PaulFertser: give me a hint plz Sep 13 18:33:41 echo 1 > /sys/modules/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive or something very much like that Sep 13 18:34:16 PaulFertser: what will be the benefit? Sep 13 18:34:36 BTW /sys/module/glamo_mci/.... Sep 13 18:34:53 Q-Master: increased drive strength should improve reliability of communication with SD Sep 13 18:35:54 PaulFertser: what is the best number? Sep 13 18:36:49 Q-Master: the more the strength, the more you harm GPS reception. 0 is the lowest and usually it works fine with most cards. 1 seemingly doesn't harm GPS reception at all, so probably 1 is the best. 0 is the default currently. Sep 13 18:37:24 default seems to trash my uSD Sep 13 18:37:51 Then try one or even 2. Sep 13 18:38:10 Also you can specify it with kernel command line, "glamo_mci.sd_drive=1" iirc Sep 13 18:39:19 thnx Sep 13 18:40:31 there is a note about the Kingston 4gb cards in the wiki Sep 13 18:40:36 that there are problems Sep 13 18:40:48 what? I have a kingston 8gb Sep 13 18:41:21 I have access to three freerunners with kingston 4gb cards in them Sep 13 18:41:33 all have problems Sep 13 18:41:54 sometimes /etc/init.d/rcS cannot be found Sep 13 18:41:56 PaulFertser: I put my drive back to 0 because I think it may have been causing gsm buzz... Sep 13 18:42:13 and the sd card works with just the clock adjustment Sep 13 18:42:26 so might glamo_mcd.sd_drive=something also a solution there? Sep 13 18:42:35 johnsu01: nah, sd_drive can't cause gsm buzz obviously Sep 13 18:42:42 I changed one of them with a sandisk card Sep 13 18:42:52 and the problems disappeared Sep 13 18:42:54 PaulFertser: No? Because after I changed that, I had buzzing complaints in low reception again Sep 13 18:43:25 johnsu01: do you have buzz fix applied? Sep 13 18:43:51 yes Sep 13 18:44:41 johnsu01: hm... I just can't see how sd_drive can affect that... Are you sure the buzzfix wire didn't get loose or smth? Sep 13 18:44:52 PaulFertser: i issued opkg upgrade, but it segfaulted in the middle saying "fork failed". am i doing anything wrong? Sep 13 18:45:32 srj: had the problem also, a reboot helped Sep 13 18:45:53 in theory there are too many processes Sep 13 18:46:08 but I have seen that error also without that Sep 13 18:46:17 srj: you can stop X and everything else not needed for upgrade. Sep 13 18:46:21 srj: opkg is buggy shit Sep 13 18:46:43 PaulFertser: I'll have to test again to be surer Sep 13 18:47:32 PaulFertser: just for info: loglevel 4 doesn't add anything here, too Sep 13 18:47:49 Defiant: thanks for confirming. Sep 13 18:48:03 loglevel 4 is ok for me Sep 13 18:48:21 Defiant: i specifically did some tests and sent patches to ensure that most of the time loglevel=4 doesn't print anything on LCM., Sep 13 18:48:38 I boot with 8 and set level 4 after boot Sep 13 18:48:54 PaulFertser: nice Sep 13 18:49:02 Defiant: that's why i very much disliked a stupid idea to patch Qi instead of fixing the odd messages that might be still present with inappropriate loglevel. Sep 13 18:49:06 so let me state my humble opinion loglevel=1 is deprecated then Sep 13 18:49:34 DocScrutinizer-8: :) Sep 13 18:59:12 there once was a partially stupid OS that used to start every process with prio=1. It was quite annoying when we nneded to have some higher prioritized processes, which simply wasn't possible Sep 13 19:01:18 back in the old days we used to number lines of sourcecode in 10s increments, so we had a way to insert lines later on, without renumbering the whole stack (of punchcards :-P ) Sep 13 19:02:18 I have just got hold of a freerunner. how can I get it to list visible WiFi networks? ifconfig doesn't even show wlan0 Sep 13 19:02:49 wifi is eth0 Sep 13 19:02:58 iwlist eth0 scan Sep 13 19:05:22 this is going to get very tiresome typing into this device... can I shell into it from my laptop? or something...? I don't have the right connectors to plug a keyboard in Sep 13 19:05:58 Spdz: get them. They are very useful. You will need them very often Sep 13 19:06:20 Spdz: read FSO_Resources wikipage Sep 13 19:06:26 Spdz: for wifi Sep 13 19:06:42 Spdz: for keyboard you can use bluetooth keyboard or any usb keyboard. Sep 13 19:06:48 you should prolly advise him to reflash the os first ;) Sep 13 19:07:05 Spdz: and yes, you basically must ssh in from your laptop or something Sep 13 19:07:10 Spdz: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking Sep 13 19:07:12 still the 2007 Image default? Sep 13 19:07:18 is there much point in that tschaka^ ? Sep 13 19:07:43 Haha, what a fun, answering simple questions is so simple, it's not even joyful anymore. Sep 13 19:07:50 sorry, hopefully the other guys can help ya. got an impatient girlfriend here :| Sep 13 19:07:51 :P Sep 13 19:08:08 :) Sep 13 19:13:01 Spdz: you probably want a rather current kernel and rootfs, rather than the default image FR is shipped with Sep 13 19:14:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r315389465450 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/ (fsobasics-2.0.vapi logger.vala): fsobasics: don't assert_not_reached() on logger.critical; exit(FAILURE) instead and dump a message Sep 13 19:14:08 Spdz: a whole lot of issues (esp wifi among others) was fixed durent the very last few months Sep 13 19:14:40 s/durent/during/ Sep 13 19:14:40 DocScrutinizer-8 meant: Spdz: a whole lot of issues (esp wifi among others) was fixed during the very last few months Sep 13 19:14:42 tzz Sep 13 19:15:44 apt Is the channel bot? neat Sep 13 19:16:31 I'm running XP on my laptop -- what is a good terminal program to Sep 13 19:16:43 Shellin from? Sep 13 19:16:45 putty Sep 13 19:17:30 debian Sep 13 19:17:33 If you were successful in setting up a ssh connection Sep 13 19:17:56 Spdz: nevertheless support for tcp-over-usb is rather ... err, suboptimal in windows. At least that's what I've been told Sep 13 19:18:41 DocScrutinizer-8: still true for "the last time I checked" Sep 13 19:19:10 well, PaulFertser knows detail about some patch Sep 13 19:19:13 PaulFertser: hi again. just completed opkg upgrade, same result with gllin still Sep 13 19:19:31 $ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep OABI Sep 13 19:19:31 # CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT is not set Sep 13 19:19:40 at least more detail than I do Sep 13 19:20:51 srj, sorry, why you want old, outdated, useless, deprecated OABI ?! Sep 13 19:22:14 DocScrutinizer-8: not really, it "just works" with the latest kernel. Sep 13 19:22:22 max_posedon: apparently OABI is required to run gllin Sep 13 19:22:37 srj: uname -a Sep 13 19:22:47 max_posedon: yes, he's right :( Sep 13 19:22:47 PaulFertser: whats latest in this case? Sep 13 19:22:54 PaulFertser: I thought about that "maddog" patch Sep 13 19:22:58 DocScrutinizer-8: andy-tracking HEAD Sep 13 19:23:01 PaulFertser: Linux om-gta01 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jul 3 17:49:20 CEST 2009 armv4tl unknown Sep 13 19:23:13 srj: "Jul 3" Sep 13 19:23:21 DocScrutinizer-8: it's in Sep 13 19:23:32 DocScrutinizer-8: i tried windows networking at work, it worked. Sep 13 19:23:46 isn't it some fix you need apply to windoof side? Sep 13 19:23:48 srj: looks like you need to flash the kernel manually. Sep 13 19:23:53 DocScrutinizer-8: not that i know of Sep 13 19:23:56 sorry, I don't know what is gllin, is it smth that can'be recompiled for eabi? Sep 13 19:24:02 aah, ok Sep 13 19:24:54 aah, now my sluggish memory tends to reveal a few more details... yes you're right Sep 13 19:25:16 max_posedon: it is something that we can't recompile because those fucking morons don't give us the sources. Sep 13 19:25:25 max_posedon: required for gps on gta01. Sep 13 19:25:28 Could somebody link for the XP driver for the free runner? Sep 13 19:25:42 Spdz: read the wiki Sep 13 19:25:50 PaulFertser: will try. Sep 13 19:25:50 can you please point me to the latest kernel Sep 13 19:25:51 Spdz: there's no need for the driver, just an inf file Sep 13 19:25:56 Spdz: search wiki for windows Sep 13 19:26:04 srj: what is "ls -la /boot" for you? Sep 13 19:26:53 Spdz: wiki is a good start. though horribly scattered info al over the site Sep 13 19:27:37 PaulFertser: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26 Jul 3 16:11 append-GTA02 Sep 13 19:27:37 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 4 04:00 uImage -> uImage-2.6.29-rc3 Sep 13 19:27:37 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1944008 Sep 6 16:33 uImage-2.6.29-rc3 Sep 13 19:27:37 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Aug 4 04:00 uImage-GTA01.bin -> uImage Sep 13 19:28:02 srj: flash that one Sep 13 19:29:32 Spdz: sorry the response to windows related questions is a little thin here ;-) Sep 13 19:30:04 DocScrutinizer-8: in fact as about everything that can be readily obtained from the wiki. Sep 13 19:30:11 Spdz: most of use probably not even have any working windows system Sep 13 19:30:42 PaulFertser: yep Sep 13 19:30:48 yar I can understand there doesn't seem much point in using an open source phone with Windows -- unfortunately I have to use Windows because Linux doesn't yet have continuous speech recognition Sep 13 19:31:29 maybe I would do better to run virtual box with ubuntu guest Sep 13 19:31:50 a rather good idea Sep 13 19:32:26 though especially for usb networking I'm not sure how smooth that would work Sep 13 19:32:35 This is going to require a cup of tea Sep 13 19:32:49 * Spdz puts the kettle on Sep 13 19:33:01 PaulFertser: i am going to flash latest UImage from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01/ that should work, i hope Sep 13 19:33:59 oh is anyone in London by the way? I would totally be up for paying someone to tutor me Sep 13 19:35:01 srj: well... Sep 13 19:35:09 srj: it will work, yes Sep 13 19:36:14 Spdz: if you like to pay the ticket from/to germany, plus a few pint ;-) Sep 13 19:37:37 Spdz: nah, just kidding Sep 13 19:37:54 rofl Sep 13 19:38:46 Spdz, linux is kinda sex, sometimes its better try it without friends help. Sep 13 19:38:56 so, don't ask, just try Sep 13 19:39:04 virtualbox is great for any experements Sep 13 19:39:05 Spdz: do UK authorities require some humilating procedure for the foreigners wishing to visit it, like e.g. taking fingerprints? Sep 13 19:40:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * radffd6f1fe59 10/fsogsmd/src/ (lib/modem.vala plugins/gsm_device/plugin.vala): fsogsmd: remove assert; use logger.critical instead Sep 13 19:43:29 PaulFertser: I believe it is now compulsory for foreigners to strip naked and sing rule Britannia at passport control. Sep 13 19:43:42 PaulFertser: not for Germans ;-) Dunno how that's for Russians Sep 13 19:44:18 ha, PaulFertser is it worring you? Sep 13 19:44:54 Spdz: (fingerprints) USA assholes require that, that's why i'm concerned, UK seems to be too supportive of the usa iniatives lately. Sep 13 19:44:54 lol, not me Sep 13 19:45:08 max_posedon: a lot, really Sep 13 19:45:54 PaulFertser, if you know, in Belarus, goverment collected fingerprint of near 30% of people Sep 13 19:46:27 after one attack to president 2 years ago Sep 13 19:47:15 most near 90% of people who live in Minsk visited, police to do that... Sep 13 19:47:15 max_posedon: here in Germany they collected fingerprints of >80% now, for biometric id card and passport Sep 13 19:47:53 its ok for me too, but I'm interested in PaulFertser's reaction) Sep 13 19:48:06 I'm sure he didn't know this fact about country near him) Sep 13 19:48:17 max_posedon: luckily i'm not in Belarus, i'm happy we don't have that kind of shit here (probably yet). Sep 13 19:48:20 really. Sep 13 19:48:20 PaulFertser: it is getting very minority report. Driving around London you find yourself looking into a lot of fancy looking cameras. the government is using some really underhand techniques to collect People's DNA-- like making deals with hospitals, or even arresting people for no reason and profiling them ( which happened to a very harmless Japanese boy I know ) Sep 13 19:48:25 DocScrutinizer-8: 80% where you got that number from? Sep 13 19:48:29 PaulFertser: good news! no seg fault with gllin.. bad news: gllin says no /tmp/nmeaNP file or dir Sep 13 19:48:41 Defiant: a guess Sep 13 19:48:50 srj: hehe Sep 13 19:48:56 srj: are you running gllin by hand? Sep 13 19:49:05 PaulFertser: yes. Sep 13 19:49:16 srj: you should left that to FSO, it runs it on its own. Sep 13 19:49:26 Spdz: :((( Sep 13 19:50:09 PaulFertser: so i am to understand that all i need to do now is to run tango-gps ? Sep 13 19:50:28 Spdz: it's a common joke here to assume americans are stupid... I really hoped UK people won't be influenced by them _that_ much. Sep 13 19:50:43 srj: i hope so Sep 13 19:50:54 we're smarter than you think Sep 13 19:50:57 we just put the stupid ones on tv Sep 13 19:51:04 :))) Sep 13 19:51:24 PaulFertser, I think they have similar joke about russians ) Sep 13 19:53:59 ndnihil: i know that "all americans are stupid" is just a bad joke, but oh man, voting for Bush was such a sign :-/ Sep 13 19:54:21 heh, joke is on you. -ALL- politicians are crooked and stupid Sep 13 19:54:37 the facade they portray to the media varies, but they're all evil Sep 13 19:55:04 ndnihil: no doubt. But i can't see how it can justify voting for a retard. Sep 13 19:55:24 the "dumb texan" game was just that, a game Sep 13 19:55:36 the dumber people thing you are, the more you can get away with Sep 13 19:55:40 s/thing/think/ Sep 13 19:55:41 ndnihil meant: the dumber people think you are, the more you can get away with Sep 13 19:58:17 PaulFertser: unfortunately it is a reflection of the way people think -- a lot of people were attracted to his reactionary fighting talk and cowboy persona. I think he got a lot of votes from the centre of the country, where it is less multicultural <&cough*! > Inbreeding Sep 13 19:58:23 manipulation of the proletariat is an art Sep 13 19:59:16 how much time does tango-gps take to get a fix? Sep 13 19:59:32 srj: depends Sep 13 19:59:37 Spdz: i can hardly imagine how "fighting" "terrorists" can be seen as attractive. Sep 13 19:59:40 srj: in my faraday cage of a house, about 3-5 minutes Sep 13 19:59:49 Has anyone looked at playing around with HTC Dream? it looks like that has an open source operating system Sep 13 20:00:19 ps ax | grep gllin shows nothing Sep 13 20:00:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r039e54425350 10/fsogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: depend on libfso-glib, add skeleton for implementing org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.* Sep 13 20:00:50 PaulFertser: it offers excitement, right against wrong, good against evil, a viable alternative to Jerry Springer & the shopping channel Sep 13 20:03:05 PaulFertser: it seems that gpsd is running but tango gps shows no fix. am i doing something wrong? Sep 13 20:03:15 srj: indoor? Sep 13 20:03:21 Defiant: yes Sep 13 20:03:50 srj: get outside. gps doesn't work inside a building unless you watch csi Sep 13 20:03:57 srj: lol, forget it Sep 13 20:04:06 Defiant: :) Sep 13 20:04:17 * srj will be back shortly Sep 13 20:12:04 where is the keyboard in QTMoko Sep 13 20:33:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r96b3570957a1 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/gsm_device/plugin.vala: fsogsmd: add preliminary interface Sep 13 20:37:19 I am following this guide: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_and_Windows trying to ssh from XP into my free runner. I have managed to ping it, but putty won't connect. What port should I be using? putty defaults to 22, I have been using that. But maybe the problem is that I need to start some software on the free runner. Anyone? Sep 13 20:37:50 * srj is back......dissapointed Sep 13 20:38:57 Spdz: which distri? for all I know there should be a dropbear ssh server running on port22 on all distris Sep 13 20:39:11 //etc/init.d/gllin/ Sep 13 20:39:19 says early exit(3) Sep 13 20:39:34 srj: hm... that is some known problem... Sep 13 20:39:48 srj: somehow easily solvable, but i don't remember Sep 13 20:40:58 srj: or probably it's even harmless ;) Sep 13 20:42:12 * DocScrutinizer-8 seems to remember a remark of wpwrak about gllin running in a chroot environment Sep 13 20:42:16 so what's up with the sms timestamps? Sep 13 20:42:33 DocScrutinizer-8: how can I find out? I have done 'uname -r' to get the kernel version which is 2.6.24 Sep 13 20:42:41 DocScrutinizer-8: yes, it does Sep 13 20:43:02 Spdz: you're supposed to flash something decent from the beginning, .24 is mad old. Sep 13 20:44:30 PaulFertser: oh! ok I was hoping to start with shelling in so that I could flash something decent. I'm not quite sure which order to do things in. Sep 13 20:44:44 Spdz: you can flash it with dfu-util, no need to ssh in. Sep 13 20:45:31 so how is gps really supposed to work on neo1973? i mean should just starting the phone up and running tangogps work ? Sep 13 20:45:44 yeah, but dfu-util from windoof is another terra incognita at least to me Sep 13 20:45:49 srj: yes, and it worked for others. Try real cold boot, just in case. Sep 13 20:46:01 ok I will rummage for a guide Sep 13 20:46:02 srj: do not start gllin manually. Just place your device near the window. Sep 13 20:46:19 Spdz: take a look at SHR user manual. It sucks but it's better than nothing. Sep 13 20:47:14 Spdz: and maybe consider to use any live-CD of a linux of your choice ;-) Sep 13 20:47:47 Spdz: will save you a lot of headache probably Sep 13 20:50:15 it is not my head that aches -- it is my poor fingers. But I see that I should be working from Linux... Sep 13 20:53:44 Spdz: for now: did you correctly specify root@192.168.0.202 for ssh'ing to FR? Sep 13 20:56:01 Spdz: and did you set your host's IP to something sensible (192.168.0.200 is recommended). Sep 13 20:58:36 The guide seems to have a typo -- it seems to sometimes use 202 as the last byte of the IP, where it should be 200. Sep 13 20:59:17 no, that's exactly correct to have 200 for laptop and 202 for FR Sep 13 21:00:01 dunno if there are typos though Sep 13 21:00:43 PaulFertser: I'm not sure what you mean by my host's IP. doesn't every interface on my host have a separate IP? So which IP do you mean? Sep 13 21:01:17 and actually that's the top of FAQ: people try to ssh to their own laptop (200) instead of FR (202) Sep 13 21:02:06 * Spdz Looks at the FAQ Sep 13 21:02:08 Spdz: FR==device, the thing you connect it to == host Sep 13 21:03:01 PaulFertser: still no luck. Sep 13 21:03:05 Which to be confusing, might also be another freerunner. Sep 13 21:03:09 (but not usually) Sep 13 21:04:06 srj: :( Sep 13 21:22:20 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rbbb08f7e462f 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Listen on NameLost instead of NameOwnerChanged Sep 13 21:22:21 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r6c1ada012a95 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Listen on NameAqcuired instead of NameOwnerChanged Sep 13 21:22:22 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r470097b67b65 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Add workaround for Vala Bug with construct properties Sep 13 21:46:24 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1407a59e2250 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/gsm_device/plugin.vala: fsogsmd: gsm_device: register dbus object Sep 13 21:46:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc9724c50cedd 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/interfaces.vala: fsoframework: interfaces: add well-known paths for GSM object Sep 13 22:28:34 If my moko is set to send power to the usb port, for host most, but nothing is connected, it won't be wasteing power, will it? Sep 13 22:34:51 yes Sep 13 22:34:58 SeligArkin: Sep 13 22:35:14 All regulators have some quiescant current - the amount it takes to activate it. Sep 13 22:35:24 I'd expect it to be of the order of a milliamp or two Sep 13 22:45:52 Random: Does anyone know how to force USB1 speed on a USB2 device? Sep 13 22:46:03 My 3G modem is somewhat unstable on a 10m cable. Sep 13 22:46:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra84200925708 10/fsogsmd/ (12 files in 7 dirs): fsogsmd: convert to using Gee, add typefactory for mediators in Modem class Sep 13 22:46:45 openmoko: 03daveb * r5637 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Sep 13 22:46:45 openmoko: - new IO2V8 power net for Telit GSM modem Sep 13 22:46:45 openmoko: - new component NTDG1100L Sep 13 22:46:45 openmoko: - Reinstate GSM power switch, using the NTDG1100L Sep 13 22:46:49 openmoko: - Remove duplicate test points (Doh!) Sep 13 22:46:51 openmoko: - yes 33R probably was to small! :-) Sep 13 22:48:31 used to be you could disable hi-speed by rmmoding some ehci module, but at least I don't seem to have one currently here Sep 13 22:49:00 otoh, I don't necessarily have high-speed usb devices currently attached Sep 13 22:49:45 at least my huawei e169 is not a high-speed device anyway, are you sure yours is? Sep 13 22:50:11 10m usb cable _is_ kinda pushing it... Sep 13 22:52:33 SpeedEvil, I just suggest by shorted cable with ferrit Sep 13 22:56:48 It says USB2 Sep 13 22:56:53 err Sep 13 22:57:42 S: Product=HUAWEI Mobile Sep 13 22:57:46 T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=04 Cnt=01 Dev#= 70 Spd=480 MxCh= 0 Sep 13 22:57:47 I mean Sep 13 22:58:03 in /proc/bus/usb/devices Sep 13 22:58:55 openmoko: 03daveb * r5638 10/trunk/gta02-core/cpu.sch: Sep 13 22:58:55 openmoko: -PWR_IRQ, +nPWR_IRQ. It's active low. Sep 13 22:58:55 openmoko: Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Sep 13 23:00:01 It's on a couple of long bits of bamboo above my roof currently - hence the long cable :) Sep 13 23:02:22 (though ferrite bead is a sensible suggestion Sep 13 23:09:13 how about something called an external antenna :] Sep 13 23:10:04 will all 3g simcards work with the firmware update? Sep 13 23:15:04 Is anyone still awake? Sep 13 23:17:06 I am wondering -- is it possible to soft code a SIM? ie so that no physical SIM is needed? It would be neat to be able to switch between my work phone and my home phone without having to replace the SIM Sep 13 23:18:10 In principle yes. Sep 13 23:18:15 In practice, no. Sep 13 23:18:43 In principle would be if you had a trusted computing environment, and could convince the network to give you the SIM data. Sep 13 23:18:51 In practice - you can't. Sep 13 23:20:03 What do you mean by trusted computer environment? Sep 13 23:21:08 (I'm now following it up more to learn something about the way mobile phones operate than to try stupidly hard hacks) Sep 13 23:21:24 The SIM runs a little crypto application. Sep 13 23:21:35 It has a secret inside that the network queries. Sep 13 23:22:18 If you can make a trusted environment that you can guarantee - to the networks satisfaction - that the user can never get to that secret - they might let you make a copy - if you pay them _lots_ Sep 13 23:26:08 I didn't realise there was so much cunningness inside a little SIM Sep 13 23:27:18 :/ Sep 13 23:27:31 It makes some of the neat things you might like to do lots harder Sep 13 23:31:55 http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/Bluetooth_SIM_Access_Profile_standard_on_S60_3rd_Edition.php Sep 13 23:32:01 i think some people did copy sim cards? slashdot always has this kind of news Sep 13 23:32:05 i never read them :p Sep 13 23:32:27 you wouldn't need to copy the card though, you would only need to produce two identical SIMs Sep 13 23:32:43 do you know any more details about the exchange between the network and the phone? Like when you turn on your phone, What happens? Somehow the phone has to tell the network it exists, and the network has to validate it is genuine (by this SIM crypto app). But where does IMEI come into this? That is something that identifies the phone not the card, right? Sep 13 23:33:13 IMEI is the phone, yes Sep 13 23:33:45