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Sep 20 08:05:42 <PaulFertser> Hey guys. :) How is this called: you're hanging on a pullup bar, do a partial pull up and at the same time leg raise so that legs go _over_ the bar and you rotate to the standing-on-the-hands position? And can you do that?
Sep 20 09:35:12 <mactschi> hi
Sep 20 10:57:32 <CosmicDuck> hi, is it possible that upgrade of libfso-glib0 is broken?  I cannot upgrade fsousaged today:root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg upgrade
Sep 20 10:57:32 <CosmicDuck> Upgrading fsousaged on root from 0.0.0.0+gitr439+5cad20bc5a6d9e11ac933ccaf62dc4effe5ab8bf-r6.0 to 0.9.0.1+gitr464+f07f80fffd61413d1d7143ad7f9999e3e6b95242-r0.0...
Sep 20 10:57:32 <CosmicDuck> Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/fsousaged_0.9.0.1+gitr464+f07f80fffd61413d1d7143ad7f9999e3e6b95242-r0.0_armv4t.ipk
Sep 20 10:57:32 <CosmicDuck> Collected errors:
Sep 20 10:57:33 <CosmicDuck>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for fsousaged:
Sep 20 10:57:35 <CosmicDuck>          *  libfso-glib0 (>= 0.2.1+gitr47+7608c8d98bb65bb5beca6621eb86920b71df1bc9) *
Sep 20 10:57:37 <CosmicDuck> root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg upgrade libfso-glib0
Sep 20 10:57:39 <CosmicDuck> root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list_installed|grep libfso-glib0
Sep 20 10:57:41 <CosmicDuck> libfso-glib0 - 0.2.0-gitrx45+90115e7b9fd6cf7037d002c6a666805ccd7b43cd-r0 -
Sep 20 10:57:43 <CosmicDuck> Any hints?
Sep 20 10:58:02 <CosmicDuck> All the other packages has been upgraded successfully.
Sep 20 11:00:05 <DocScrutinizer> ask in #*-cdevel
Sep 20 11:00:31 <DocScrutinizer> ask mrmoku, dos1
Sep 20 11:01:58 <DocScrutinizer> CosmicDuck: basically yu need a more recent libfso-glib, and probably you need to install that as well
Sep 20 11:03:01 <DocScrutinizer> CosmicDuck: as I got it, you downloaded the ipk, then installed from file. There's very little opkg can do to satisfy the dependency automatically
Sep 20 11:03:43 <CosmicDuck> DocScrutinizer-8: Yes I know. But where is it? Theres not listen in opkt list_upgradable. Should I wait?
Sep 20 11:04:56 <DocScrutinizer> no idea. probably you need to find the libfso-glib ipk with the same git-hash
Sep 20 11:05:31 <DocScrutinizer> ...as fsousaged has
Sep 20 11:06:36 <DocScrutinizer> probably /ipk/* and feeds not in sync
Sep 20 11:07:02 <DocScrutinizer-8> ask in *-cdevel
Sep 20 11:07:19 <FredWP> Hey guys.
Sep 20 11:07:38 <FredWP> I still have Om 2008 installed (which can't find the proper repositories), I was wondering, how do you put in spaces in your text messages?
Sep 20 11:09:10 <dos1> FredWP: a) om2008? why?
Sep 20 11:09:28 <dos1> FredWP: b) just by left-to-right gesture or by clicking on typed word...
Sep 20 11:10:25 <FredWP> dos1, that's how it got shipped. :)
Sep 20 11:10:41 <FredWP> I haven't taken the time to read the wiki properly and install another.
Sep 20 11:10:44 <dos1> FredWP: so? ;x
Sep 20 11:11:01 <dos1> FredWP: hmm... well, reading wiki is task to do *before* buying freerunner ;)
Sep 20 11:11:02 <FredWP> But I do plan to test as many as possible.
Sep 20 11:11:09 <DocScrutinizer-8> FredWP:  you're strongly suggested to upgrade to some recent distro
Sep 20 11:11:19 <FredWP> And I'll probably end up with Qt Extended Community Managed or SHR (or maybe another if it really impresses me).
Sep 20 11:11:26 <FredWP> I know! ^^
Sep 20 11:11:29 <FredWP> Probably this week.
Sep 20 11:12:18 <FredWP> You guys will surely find me around during the process if I have any newbie questions. :p
Sep 20 11:12:35 <FredWP> But let's hope the wiki articles will be sufficient help. ;)
Sep 20 11:12:44 <DocScrutinizer-8> FredWP: not much use in messing around too much with obsolete system ;-)
Sep 20 11:13:02 <FredWP> Thing is, when I plugin my Openmoko into my Lemote Yeeloong, I get kernel panic/failure and ethernet dies. :(
Sep 20 11:13:15 <DocScrutinizer-8> FredWP: not much use in messing around too much with obsolete system ;-)
Sep 20 11:13:28 <CosmicDuck> DocScrutinizer-8: Ok, they say in *-cdevel I should ignore it for now.
Sep 20 11:13:51 <DocScrutinizer-8> CosmicDuck: ok :-DD
Sep 20 11:16:43 <musicmaniac> can i get a rough estimate of how much time i can continuously play ogg on openmoko on a single battery on full charge?
Sep 20 11:17:05 <musicmaniac> with earphones
Sep 20 11:17:08 <DocScrutinizer> musicmaniac: at least 6h
Sep 20 11:17:21 <DocScrutinizer> quite possibly much more
Sep 20 11:17:40 <musicmaniac> cool thats enough..
Sep 20 11:18:12 <FredWP> Guys.
Sep 20 11:18:18 <DocScrutinizer> heh, first time I hear a "that's ok" instead of moaning and nagging
Sep 20 11:18:20 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Sep 20 11:18:25 <FredWP> I got told the NF is completely free except for the GSM firmware, right?
Sep 20 11:18:35 <FredWP> Will it ever get fixed in future revisions? Is that the only non-free thing?
Sep 20 11:18:39 <musicmaniac> ;-) well its a lott better than 3 hours working time !:)
Sep 20 11:18:45 <FredWP> It got me quite disappointed when I figured out about that after purchasing.
Sep 20 11:18:52 <KaZeR-mobi> hello there. has anyone tried the high precision mode for GPS?
Sep 20 11:19:17 <musicmaniac> FredWP: 
Sep 20 11:19:19 <DocScrutinizer> FredWP: WHAT?
Sep 20 11:19:30 <FredWP> ?
Sep 20 11:19:42 <FredWP> With free I mean libre.
Sep 20 11:19:45 <FredWP> Free software.
Sep 20 11:19:46 <musicmaniac> its due to the legal requirement of wireless communication authority on different countries that gsm firmware is kept non-free
Sep 20 11:19:50 <FredWP> Not priceless or something.
Sep 20 11:19:51 <DocScrutinizer> FredWP: if you want to mess with GSM-stack you need to start a job at TI
Sep 20 11:19:53 <CosmicDuck>  Another question. The internal speaker ist to noisy for phoning. I already changed the value for the internal speaker to maximum. It's better than before but it's still to noisy. No I've seen at phoning there is in alsamixer an gain of 87 of an maximum of 100 with the name speaker. I could bring it to 94, which is good for me. But if the call is ended it will go to 0 and at the next call will start again with 87. Any idea which setting i must change?
Sep 20 11:20:08 <FredWP> :(
Sep 20 11:20:25 <DocScrutinizer> FredWP: listen to musicmaniac 
Sep 20 11:20:26 <musicmaniac> DocScrutinizer: won't it also require some mess up with the legal authorities too?
Sep 20 11:20:37 <FredWP> We should get a hacker on the job, and reverse engineer that thing!
Sep 20 11:20:50 <musicmaniac> FredWP: 
Sep 20 11:21:01 <DocScrutinizer> FredWP: go ahead - LOL
Sep 20 11:21:07 <FredWP> I wish. :P
Sep 20 11:21:14 <musicmaniac> ops tab is becoming <RET> in this damnn client:)
Sep 20 11:21:21 <musicmaniac> sorry FredWP 
Sep 20 11:21:27 <DocScrutinizer> Nice to meet you when you close up with Dieter Spaar and me ;-)
Sep 20 11:21:29 <musicmaniac> argh again:) am quiting;-)
Sep 20 11:21:48 <FredWP> So.
Sep 20 11:21:54 <FredWP> GSM firmware is the only non-free thing?
Sep 20 11:21:59 <FredWP> In the whole bunch of freedom it provides?
Sep 20 11:22:15 <DocScrutinizer> FredWP: please refer to wiki
Sep 20 11:22:21 <CosmicDuck> FredWP: Im not shure glamo?
Sep 20 11:22:21 <FredWP> I believe I read something.
Sep 20 11:22:31 <FredWP> About the issues it had, including the mentioning of the non-free GSM firmware.
Sep 20 11:22:34 <FredWP> I couldn't find it again. :(
Sep 20 11:23:18 <musicmaniac> if you want it pefectly i guess may be a clean up of debian-arm will do that as is expected with gnewsense 3
Sep 20 11:23:20 <FredWP> Maybe one day, somebody will liberate us
Sep 20 11:23:21 <musicmaniac> ;-)
Sep 20 11:23:28 <DocScrutinizer> FredWP: do you have the firmware of the harddisk inside the PC you're using atm?
Sep 20 11:23:40 <FredWP> Most likely.
Sep 20 11:23:47 <DocScrutinizer> muhahaha
Sep 20 11:23:54 <FredWP> DocScrutinizer, before you start.
Sep 20 11:23:55 <DocScrutinizer> for sure
Sep 20 11:24:03 <FredWP> Saying stuff is not free.
Sep 20 11:24:06 <FredWP> www.lemote.com
Sep 20 11:24:11 <FredWP> I use Yeeloong because it's completely free.
Sep 20 11:24:15 <FredWP> Including BIOS (PMON2000).
Sep 20 11:24:23 <FredWP> ;)
Sep 20 11:24:46 <FredWP> I really mind my freedom. D;
Sep 20 11:24:57 <DocScrutinizer> nah, sorry. Been there too often. No mood for that discussion now
Sep 20 11:25:17 <FredWP> It's fine.
Sep 20 11:25:25 <FredWP> I don't try to contradict any of you.
Sep 20 11:25:32 <FredWP> I just wanted to educate myself a bit more.
Sep 20 11:25:51 <DocScrutinizer> maybe you want to talk to mister Stallman, even he wasn't concerned about GSM stack
Sep 20 11:25:52 <FredWP> I love my Openmoko for what it does.
Sep 20 11:26:19 <FredWP> I believe the Openmoko is the most free phone available.
Sep 20 11:26:24 <FredWP> I think it being the most free is sufficient.
Sep 20 11:26:30 <FredWP> Even with a bit of non-free stuff here and there.
Sep 20 11:26:45 <swathanthran> in the sense of freedom to hack on stuff openmoko is a whole new world than lemote
Sep 20 11:26:46 <lindi-> FredWP: indeed, you just need to be aware of the issues so that they can be fixed in the future
Sep 20 11:26:47 <FredWP> But that's fine as I said. :)
Sep 20 11:27:01 <FredWP> Exactly lindi-, hopefully we'll get there one day. ^^
Sep 20 11:27:23 <FredWP> I love Openmoko for what it did with the NF.
Sep 20 11:27:41 <FredWP> Open and free schematics, developer board, going further than just FLOSS.
Sep 20 11:28:00 <DocScrutinizer> and yes, there is even more "closed" firmware on FR: the code for the GSM-DSP is hardcoded to ROM, the firmware for WiFi AR6k isn't upgradeable (for now), and the processor in PMU also does some micro-program for sure, but we don't know how to tweak that. Same for BT
Sep 20 11:28:37 <FredWP> I see.
Sep 20 11:28:48 <FredWP> Be right back, diner, thanks for the heads up so far!
Sep 20 11:28:54 <lindi-> FredWP: not all manufacturing info is available though? we for example were not able to have searchable component placement diagram since the proprietary program used to generate it did not support that and we were not given access to the input file
Sep 20 11:29:09 <swathanthran> DocScrutinizer: does that mean the wifi driver having firmware or is it about the hardware stuff?
Sep 20 11:31:46 <DocScrutinizer-8> for now we got a linux system with not a single closed source driver running on the app-processor. We never claimed we will free every autonomous subsystem (like BT chip, harddisk you hook up to USB, etc) that usually is running its own little "OS" on a proprietary processor
Sep 20 11:44:00 <SpeedEvil> Also the glamo
Sep 20 11:44:08 <SpeedEvil> but...
Sep 20 12:45:21 <PBeck> hi
Sep 20 12:45:33 <tomcatek> ho
Sep 20 14:35:03 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r62a65b70ce9e 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala resource.vala): fsousaged: controller: split into two files
Sep 20 14:40:09 <mactschi> lindi-: it's hard to make _everything_ open source. what about the chip design?
Sep 20 14:40:19 <mactschi> what about the chip manufacturing process?
Sep 20 14:40:39 <mactschi> implementing a phone in an fpga just doesn't cut it ;-)
Sep 20 14:43:26 <DocScrutinizer-8> without chip design details (register functions etc) it's also useless to opensource the firmware
Sep 20 14:44:44 <DocScrutinizer-8> after all what's the use of an assembler sourcecode of a processor you don't undertsand the command set
Sep 20 14:46:32 <DocScrutinizer-8> even if the cpu core is wellknown and documented, you still don't learn anything from source if you don't have decent definitions of IO
Sep 20 14:55:01 <SpeedEvil> That's not quite true.
Sep 20 14:55:24 <SpeedEvil> You can reverse engineer the firmware somewhat if you know what the external protocol is, or you can watch it
Sep 20 14:59:47 <DocScrutinizer-8> SpeedEvil: you can always do that (if you can get a hold on the firmware at all). And that's really unrelated to topic of "free and open"
Sep 20 15:00:15 <DocScrutinizer-8> except for the final goal of whole effort
Sep 20 15:02:05 <SpeedEvil> indeed
Sep 20 15:02:12 <SpeedEvil> And not really even then.
Sep 20 15:02:28 <SpeedEvil> As the best it gets you is one - or a insight into a series - of chip(s) cracked
Sep 20 15:02:43 <SpeedEvil> Often with remaining bugs in your open firmware.
Sep 20 15:02:55 <DocScrutinizer-8> yep
Sep 20 15:04:21 <DocScrutinizer-8> see freemac effort. And that was about a free *soft*mac, not even a fullmac (aka hardmac aka "firmware")
Sep 20 15:06:59 <DocScrutinizer-8> so your system was welldefined for cpu etc, and sole problem was the register functions of prism wifi chipset
Sep 20 15:07:54 <DocScrutinizer-8> and there was a closed source windoof driver you easily could trace etc
Sep 20 15:12:14 <SpeedEvil> That - and the fact that it's a lot harder than say firefox or ... to hack.
Sep 20 15:12:50 <SpeedEvil> The numbers of people skilled in embedded programming is rather smaller that those that can do C++ or xul/xbl/js
Sep 20 15:13:06 <SpeedEvil> Especialyl embedded poorly documented
Sep 20 15:13:12 <lindi-> mactschi: what's your point?
Sep 20 15:18:32 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * rce3ac71ef30b 10/app/app.pro: CONFIG += static
Sep 20 15:18:34 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r25b9364003f6 10/lib/phonesim.cpp: lib: fix spec violation for unsolicited commands. Those commands have to be initiated with \r\n
Sep 20 15:32:40 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * rba5dcf68bbd1 10/modems/ (peers.xml ti_calypso.xml): add sane emulation of TI CALYPSO respecting actual format standards
Sep 20 15:54:34 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * rca7f5d98dc6d 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): data => modems
Sep 20 16:30:02 <noaXess> hello all
Sep 20 16:30:35 <noaXess> i trying to comile qt-embedded and get an error: error: no matching function for call to ‘operator new(unsigned int, QList<QScriptValue>::Node*)’
Sep 20 16:30:46 <noaXess> any iea, or place where a can get a solution?
Sep 20 16:43:16 <beer> http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page or qtmoko here in freenote
Sep 20 16:43:47 <beer> since they has build around qt they may know
Sep 20 17:21:47 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r1c86ed5cb55e 10/lib/phonesim.cpp: don't swallow \r\n when unknown command issues ERROR
Sep 20 17:24:43 <Mortak> hi
Sep 20 17:24:45 <Mortak> hi
Sep 20 18:36:37 <Kagee> Is there any way (script/tricks) to always have a shourtcut to the latest josm ?
Sep 20 18:50:45 <mojocafe> good evening everyone - does the A6 or any other openmoko device support Adobe Flash ?
Sep 20 18:50:56 <lindi-> mojocafe: that's not a hardware issue.
Sep 20 18:51:27 <lindi-> mojocafe: (and A6 is a hardware revision)
Sep 20 18:51:54 <mojocafe> lindi-, oops sorry. i am a total noob about the OS and its devices. excuse me!
Sep 20 18:52:38 <mojocafe> how many devices support the OS ?
Sep 20 18:52:38 <lindi-> mojocafe: well, gnash runs on debian but it's not very very fast
Sep 20 18:52:46 <lindi-> mojocafe: there are multiple distros
Sep 20 18:52:51 <lindi-> mojocafe: no single OS
Sep 20 18:53:16 <mojocafe> lindi-, ah ok. just like unix having ubuntu, kunbunt etc. ? am i understanding it right ?
Sep 20 18:54:46 <mojocafe> lindi-, do you own the neo freerunner ?
Sep 20 18:55:23 <lindi-> mojocafe: yes, i have been using freerunner for a year
Sep 20 18:56:12 <lindi-> mojocafe: something like that. I use debian myself mostly since I know how it works and what policies they have
Sep 20 18:57:16 <mojocafe> lindi-, mmmh. i am asking all this stuff as i would like to know if one of my projects works with it. but as i do not know anything about the performance of gnash, i think it's too early to try it on the device.
Sep 20 18:57:19 <lindi-> mojocafe: what do you use to run flash programs yourself?
Sep 20 18:57:56 <mojocafe> you mean about the project !?
Sep 20 18:58:09 <lindi-> mojocafe: hmm?
Sep 20 18:58:34 <PaulFertser> mojocafe: how flash is any better than native apps or than java apps?
Sep 20 18:59:13 <mojocafe> ah ok. well the problem is that i am just a very very very beginner scripter - i am coming from the design part as i mainly develop flash animations and programs. so that is why i am bound to flash :)+
Sep 20 18:59:20 <mojocafe> sorry for teh "+"
Sep 20 18:59:23 <mojocafe> teh = the
Sep 20 18:59:53 <lindi-> mojocafe: how do you run the flash programs?
Sep 20 19:00:13 <mojocafe> i tried hard for the last weeks to port my idea to maemo but i am realy too dumb. i installed over 8 gigs of SDKs the last weeks *sigh*
Sep 20 19:00:27 <mojocafe> lindi-, they do it through the browser.
Sep 20 19:00:42 <mojocafe> the project depends on flash lite on the mobile device and an internet connection.
Sep 20 19:00:52 <mojocafe> you can get a view at www.mojocafe.net
Sep 20 19:02:07 <lindi-> mojocafe: but what browser plugin?
Sep 20 19:02:12 <mojocafe> Flash lite.
Sep 20 19:02:47 <lindi-> mojocafe: sounds like proprietary software to me
Sep 20 19:02:57 <mojocafe> lindi-, yeah unfortunately yes :( *sigh*
Sep 20 19:03:13 <mojocafe> let me check if gnash starts SWF files.
Sep 20 19:03:35 <lindi-> mojocafe: then our priorities clearly differ :)
Sep 20 19:04:02 <mojocafe> lindi-, i know i know. I allready had that discussion with the maemo masters :)
Sep 20 19:04:24 <mojocafe> is gnash more like a plugin or a program ?
Sep 20 19:04:36 <mojocafe> ah, just checked it. sorry.
Sep 20 19:05:17 <mojocafe> lindi-, would you like to test out if the project works on the neo ?
Sep 20 19:05:55 <PaulFertser> mojocafe: i don't think it's any different comparing to any PC...
Sep 20 19:06:18 <PaulFertser> mojocafe: unless gnash has some issues on arm but i doubt that, i think it was one of the priorities from the beginning.
Sep 20 19:07:16 <mojocafe> wow, i just checked that the screen res of the neo is 480x640 ! that sounds neat !
Sep 20 19:08:36 <lindi-> mojocafe: you can just test it on your PC
Sep 20 19:08:53 <lindi-> mojocafe: there's nothing magical about the freerunner hardware that'd affect you except for the speed of gnash
Sep 20 19:11:01 <mojocafe> lindi-, that sounds great. it's just that the page to start the fullscreen widgets is http://m.mojocafe.net - that is a simple html redirecting the user depending on his/her screen resolution. and at the moment i do not offer 640x480 but maybe i could scale the 800x600 mojos down.
Sep 20 19:11:26 <mojocafe> is it possible to rotate the screen with the device ?
Sep 20 19:12:11 <PaulFertser> mojocafe: it is, but for some users the device starts to emit high-pitch sound :)
Sep 20 19:13:32 <mojocafe> PaulFertser, sorry for my bad english - did not catch up with the last sentence. what do you mean?
Sep 20 19:13:40 <lindi-> mojocafe: is the source for your flash program available somewhere?
Sep 20 19:14:49 <mojocafe> no. you want it ?
Sep 20 19:15:11 <lindi-> mojocafe: how can I know without seeing it first? ;)
Sep 20 19:16:18 <PaulFertser> mojocafe: it is possible to rotate the screen 
Sep 20 19:16:25 <mojocafe> lindi-, sorry i do not understand that :( ... the source itself is not so complex as it is just a simple "time" script taht you can find in several tutorials round the net.
Sep 20 19:16:39 <mojocafe> PaulFertser, you mean within the mojo / widget !?
Sep 20 19:17:04 <PaulFertser> mojocafe: no, i mean in hardware
Sep 20 19:17:45 <mojocafe> PaulFertser, i do not know as i do not own a neo or other openmoko device running openmoko.
Sep 20 19:18:50 <PaulFertser> mojocafe: i do know and i'm telling you that
Sep 20 19:19:04 <mojocafe> PaulFertser, ah sorry :D
Sep 20 19:20:12 <mojocafe> lindi-, could you try to call the url i mentioned above and tell me if you see the animation 1?
Sep 20 19:20:19 <mojocafe> 1? = !?
Sep 20 20:00:01 <djp`> hi all. do i have an issue with my headphone socket? if i plug my headphones jack fully it only plays out of one ear piece. if i don't push it in fully but find a certain position, it plays out of both ear pieces. is this a faulty headset socket or expected?
Sep 20 20:00:28 <lindi-> djp`: what headset?
Sep 20 20:01:18 <djp`> lindi, well i'm using a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter along with a pair of beyerdynamics headphones
Sep 20 20:01:27 <slaxxer> would that be the headset that came with the moko?
Sep 20 20:01:49 <djp`> slaxxer, nope. didn't get a headset with my moko
Sep 20 20:01:58 <lindi-> djp`: wrong pinout then
Sep 20 20:02:03 <PaulFertser> djp`: exactly
Sep 20 20:02:12 <PaulFertser> djp`: read about pinout on the wiki
Sep 20 20:02:14 <DocScrutinizer-8> lindi-: djp`  yep, exactly
Sep 20 20:02:32 <djp`> thanks all
Sep 20 20:02:36 <lindi-> i too would like to hear audio from both ears :)
Sep 20 20:02:40 <slaxxer> what brand adapter did u purchase?
Sep 20 20:03:04 <djp`> slaxxer, it was a cheapo from maplins
Sep 20 20:03:07 <lindi-> my user page lists it i think, some totally cheap
Sep 20 20:04:25 <djp`> it does work, but i can't insert it fully... anyway, off to read about pinout on the wiki as suggested by PaulFertser
Sep 20 20:15:27 <DocScrutinizer-8> djp`: if you think your hp *works* when not inserted completely, then you're probably wrong
Sep 20 20:15:54 <DocScrutinizer-8> chances are you get one mono channel on both sides of headset
Sep 20 20:23:12 <DocScrutinizer> djp`: first of all: is your speaker deactivated when you insert headsaet?
Sep 20 20:24:04 <DocScrutinizer> if not, you got problems with hs/speaker switching of your distro. An adapter won't help then, no matter which pinout
Sep 20 20:35:17 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: he's obviously doing a wrong thing, why do you bother so much? O_o
Sep 20 20:41:25 <messerting> Anyone here running Android?
Sep 20 20:41:58 <messerting> I've been thinking about using the Freerunner as a fancy remote control for MythTV, and see there is mythdroid available for that
Sep 20 20:42:31 <PaulFertser> messerting: there's a special channel for android on openmoko, you might have more luck there
Sep 20 20:43:27 <messerting> PaulFertser: ok, thanks
Sep 20 20:43:46 <mojocafe> ok. thanks a lot for your help guys. see you later.
Sep 20 20:43:59 <messerting> #freerunner-android, found it
Sep 20 20:45:46 <djp`> yep... i bought the wrong one. maplin sell a 2.5 4-pole plug to 3.5mm stereo socket smartphone headphone adaptor. that's what i should have bought. doh!
Sep 20 20:46:26 <djp`> (back to maplin tommorrow :))
Sep 20 20:48:22 <PaulFertser> djp`: how do you tell if the pinout of the other one is correct?
Sep 20 20:50:45 <djp`> PaulFertser: does the 4-pole mean it's 4-rings?
Sep 20 20:50:50 <PaulFertser> djp`: it does
Sep 20 20:50:58 <PaulFertser> djp`: but it says nothing about the pin-out!
Sep 20 20:51:01 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: (bother) to make sure I don't give wrong advice - his adapter might be correct but amp hp-switch not set correctly
Sep 20 20:51:48 <djp`> PaulFertser: hmm.
Sep 20 20:52:31 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: nobody's adapter is correct unless he knows proper pinout by heart ;)
Sep 20 20:53:07 <djp`> PaulFertser: i have no idea what the pinout is...
Sep 20 20:53:47 <DocScrutinizer-8> djp`: a for-pin-connector (paul: lol) has to let tip open, and connect 2.&3 contact to tip&2.contact of a 3-pin
Sep 20 20:54:13 <DocScrutinizer-8> gnd remains gnd (aka sleeve, base)
Sep 20 20:54:45 <Defiant-> djp`: I went to conrad and bought the parts I needed for that
Sep 20 20:55:59 <djp`> DocScrutinizer-8: thanks. i've taken a look at the diagram on the wiki also.
Sep 20 20:59:19 <PaulFertser> djp`: 4-pin connector: mic(tip), right, left, GND; regular 3-pin headphones: left(tip), right, GND. So don't forget to cross the wires or you'll get reversed stereo.
Sep 20 21:01:11 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: what's the problem? just rotate the headphone then ;-P
Sep 20 21:02:02 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: not all of them a symmetric, imagine a pair with the handle going over one's neck or back side of the head ;)
Sep 20 21:02:07 <DocScrutinizer-8> tbh I hardly ever knew anybody that noticed left/right swap on stereo
Sep 20 21:02:49 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: "" we are jORK, resistance is futile""
Sep 20 21:11:53 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=xGkGvQIMgFA   0:40
Sep 20 21:19:54 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: oh, had to view the second time to understand it's headphones, not some kind of futuristic soldier equipment :)
Sep 20 21:21:02 <DocScrutinizer> that's why he says "We are BROT, resistance is futile" (Wir sind Brot, Widerstand ist zwecklos)
Sep 20 21:21:56 <DocScrutinizer> (Brot == bread)
Sep 20 21:22:21 <PaulFertser> Ah, i didn't understand a word :)
Sep 20 21:28:41 <DocScrutinizer-8> Bernd the Bread is a very famous almost legendary character of German children TV. Always depressive and pessimistic. This particular movie is a pun on the usual night fake on private TV, and poor Bernd was pressed into a contract so he has to stand there and tell "DO NOT call!!". Quite funny
Sep 20 21:30:42 <PaulFertser> 222EUR/sec is nice price :D
Sep 20 21:31:55 <DocScrutinizer-8> every detail is a sarcastic pun on those call-in TV late nite fakes (dunno any better word for that)
Sep 20 21:34:41 <PaulFertser> It became popular on our tv channels like 2 years ago. I can't say about now since i'm not watching tv any more (at least at home).
Sep 20 23:03:36 <Infoport> have others had "No Service" using current SHR? I can't seem to get service anymore
Sep 20 23:08:42 <max_posedon> sometimes simple reboot helps
Sep 20 23:11:09 <Infoport> max_posedon I've tried a reboot many times already, but I haven't gotten service back
Sep 20 23:12:25 <max_posedon> so, try look at logs
Sep 20 23:12:32 <Infoport> although I *did* just opkg upgrade, so many it will work after *this* reboot
Sep 20 23:32:19 <fredrin> Infoport: sometimes you have too search for operators in the settings -> phone part 
Sep 20 23:32:30 <Infoport> haven't read thru dmesg all yet, but found an error in ophonekitd's log -- dbus not available
Sep 20 23:32:37 <fredrin> the gsm regestering takes too long and times out
Sep 20 23:32:39 <fredrin> my guess 
Sep 20 23:33:07 <fredrin> ad hoc version 
Sep 20 23:33:26 <fredrin> Black Sabbath FTW btw :) 
Sep 20 23:34:10 <Infoport> in settings -> phone gsm modem was not on, if I turn it on it goes back off when I re-enter, complains ophonekitd is not running. the log showed dbus not available
Sep 20 23:34:17 <max_posedon> not avaible dbus is really bad
Sep 20 23:35:15 <Infoport> yep. still don't have a solution, but I guess that puts some light on the problem
Sep 20 23:36:06 <Infoport> wow, it just tries over and over in the log
Sep 20 23:37:32 <max_posedon> check, does framework started?
Sep 20 23:39:21 <Infoport> max_posedon: check in dmesg? in processes?
Sep 20 23:39:55 <max_posedon> in processes
Sep 20 23:40:55 <Infoport> python /usr/bin/frameworkd
Sep 20 23:43:07 <Infoport> it also showed ophonekitd, but when I went into Settings->phone, again gsm antenna off, turn on and re-enter gives a msg that ophonekitd not running
Sep 20 23:43:45 <Infoport> now ophonekitd is definitely not in processes
Sep 20 23:45:33 <Infoport> I guess I could reflash, or flash in QTMoko, but that seems like acepting defeat
Sep 20 23:55:25 <Infoport> I seem to have dbus-daemon, dbus-launch, and dbus-daemon again all running
Sep 20 23:59:19 <Infoport> oh well, SHR fails for me for now. guess I'll try QTMoko until I can get back to this. gotta go rack some beer off into a keg
Sep 21 01:08:05 <rvs1st> hi cant access the http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.*
Sep 21 01:08:36 <rvs1st> whoops sorry
Sep 21 01:11:08 <rvs1st> any problem in following Installation option 3: alternative procedure to install Qtopia on a microSD card if im going to use
Sep 21 01:11:12 <rvs1st> SHR images
Sep 21 01:11:40 <rvs1st> i got the uImage bin for gta02 and the full image for shr rootfs.jffs2
Sep 21 01:11:56 <rvs1st> seem when i boot it just give a blank screen?
Sep 21 01:13:16 <rvs1st> anyone there?
Sep 21 01:14:16 <rvs1st> i just got this message last line says please compile everything with -g in your Cflags
Sep 21 01:18:51 <rvs1st> need stable image for SHR any advice
Sep 21 01:28:29 <slaxxer> MAYBE YOUR IMAGE IS BAD
Sep 21 01:28:54 <slaxxer> DIDNT HANG AROUND
Sep 21 01:29:00 <slaxxer> ok
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