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Sep 23 03:24:06 * SpeedEvil reads up on MRI scanners, and discovers that some put 35KW pulses of RF into the body.
Sep 23 03:27:07 <ndnihil> scary isn't it? I've been under half a dozen of those in the past couple years
Sep 23 03:27:38 <ndnihil> watched a thing last night where this guy flew a radio controlled helicopter with energy beamed to it from a hacked up microwave oven
Sep 23 03:27:46 <ndnihil> 1000W
Sep 23 03:28:11 <ndnihil> Bang\ Goes\ the\ Theory\ -\ S01E08
Sep 23 03:28:20 <ndnihil> s/\\//g
Sep 23 03:29:19 <ndnihil> ooh, and they discuss gathering energy via IR antennae
Sep 23 03:29:41 <ndnihil> only two of the prototype receivers in existence at the moment
Sep 23 03:30:58 <SpeedEvil> Solar+laser is actually plausible.
Sep 23 03:31:18 <ndnihil> this gets it straight from the sun
Sep 23 03:31:26 <SpeedEvil> Visible laser/near-visible solid state lasers are getting not _too_ expensive
Sep 23 03:31:28 <ndnihil> the IR thing
Sep 23 03:31:48 <Chocky> uh oh, cosmology discussion ;-)
Sep 23 03:31:56 * Chocky brings in that Japanese guy
Sep 23 03:32:09 <Chocky> actually, he's a physicist
Sep 23 03:32:10 <ndnihil> michio kaku?
Sep 23 03:32:17 <ndnihil> or whatever his name is
Sep 23 03:32:21 <Chocky> need what's hisotherface
Sep 23 03:32:24 <ndnihil> professor at NYU I htink he is
Sep 23 03:33:03 <Chocky> Neil DeGrasse Tyson
Sep 23 03:33:18 <Chocky> and Stephen Hawking, for good luck
Sep 23 04:03:02 <ndnihil> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=628_1253661419
Sep 23 04:04:44 <ndnihil> that's 15 text messages per minute, 24 hours a day, for 30 days
Sep 23 04:06:23 * SpeedEvil calls bullshit
Sep 23 04:06:28 <SpeedEvil> err
Sep 23 04:06:36 <SpeedEvil> one a second for 7 days
Sep 23 04:06:36 <Chocky> :o
Sep 23 04:06:36 <ndnihil> well, it could be an automated thing
Sep 23 04:06:48 * Chocky hands SE the bingo cards
Sep 23 04:06:50 <ndnihil> I'm betting it's automated
Sep 23 04:06:51 <SpeedEvil> so one per 4 seconds
Sep 23 04:06:51 <SpeedEvil> oh
Sep 23 04:06:53 <SpeedEvil> right
Sep 23 04:07:04 <ndnihil> there's no other reasonable explanation
Sep 23 04:07:09 <ndnihil> if those numbers are legit
Sep 23 04:07:09 <SpeedEvil> misread what you said there.
Sep 23 04:07:16 <Chocky> you expect people to be reasonable?
Sep 23 07:03:49 <panicking> larsc, Hi
Sep 23 07:04:05 <panicking> I have fixed all the warning related to the gpio request
Sep 23 07:04:28 <panicking> I have two big trouble now. I'm using basically your patches
Sep 23 07:04:36 <panicking> I fix some issue in the accelerometer
Sep 23 07:06:21 <panicking> Ok I find the display problem
Sep 23 07:06:22 <panicking> :)
Sep 23 07:16:14 <skamster___> hello all, i just want to ask if the repos had changed.. because there is nothing new since 5 days, but in the shr-devel-mailinglist are always new things
Sep 23 07:16:26 <skamster___> that's strange for me
Sep 23 07:30:21 <vegyraupe> hey hi @all
Sep 23 07:35:56 <Heinervdm> skamster___: the builhost works like that: there is a buildenviorment in one dir and if the build and test was successfull everything from that dir is synced to the repo
Sep 23 07:36:44 <Heinervdm> currently they try to get Xorg into shr-unstable and before that isn't running properly they can't sync the directories
Sep 23 07:38:34 <Heinervdm> skamster___: btw. did you try the blueman package?
Sep 23 07:58:00 <skamster___> is it into packages yet?
Sep 23 07:58:06 <skamster___> may i didn't see it..
Sep 23 07:58:33 <skamster___> but anyway thx for pack it :)
Sep 23 07:59:09 <skamster___> Heinervdm: i didn't found it..
Sep 23 08:00:30 <Heinervdm> Ob it's not build... but you can try to download from my buildhost for testing
Sep 23 08:04:19 <skamster___> could you gave me the adress?
Sep 23 08:04:27 <skamster___> i'm interessted :)
Sep 23 08:04:30 <Heinervdm> skamster___: i need to build it first :)
Sep 23 08:04:47 <skamster___> ok :D
Sep 23 08:04:49 <Heinervdm> i deleted all packages last week ;)
Sep 23 08:05:01 <skamster___> hope it works for a stable bluetooth
Sep 23 08:05:27 <skamster___> on ubuntu it does..
Sep 23 08:05:32 <skamster___> ;)
Sep 23 08:05:35 <Heinervdm> the runtimedepencies are not fullfilled, but i hope it's just for the gui
Sep 23 08:06:22 <skamster___> mh, just try.. :)
Sep 23 08:15:21 <Heinervdm> skamster___: http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/blueman_1.10-r0_armv4t.ipk
Sep 23 08:22:59 <radekp> is it possible to have XIP (execute in place) on Freerunner?
Sep 23 08:23:45 <skamster___> :(
Sep 23 08:23:46 <skamster___> ImportError: libstartup-notification-1.so.0:
Sep 23 08:23:55 <radekp> IIRC my old Siemens SX allowed this so i wonder about openmoko
Sep 23 08:24:01 <lindi-> radekp: check the cpu datasheet?
Sep 23 08:24:20 <skamster___> libstartup-notification it's realy required.. :s
Sep 23 08:24:43 <radekp> lindi-: oki, i can try to have a look at it
Sep 23 08:25:13 <mjr> somewhere I read that nand flash wouldn't support xip
Sep 23 08:26:16 <mjr> don't have intimate knowledge of the matter though
Sep 23 08:26:28 <Heinervdm> skamster___: libstartup-notification is in my feed too
Sep 23 08:26:39 <lindi-> mjr: nand flash does not support xip yes without a special hardware buffer
Sep 23 08:26:46 <mjr> (also, you'd need to use a filesystem that allows this and stores [some] executables uncompressed)
Sep 23 08:26:50 <skamster___> ah, ok.. great
Sep 23 08:29:11 <Heinervdm> hmm but where, it's probably gone too ;)
Sep 23 08:44:32 <Heinervdm> skamster___: http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/blueman_1.10-r1_armv4t.ipk http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/obex-data-server_0.4.4-r0_armv4t.ipk http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/libstartup-notification-1-0_0.9-r0_armv4t.ipk http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/python-notify_0.1.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
Sep 23 08:44:57 <skamster___> wow, a next version? :)
Sep 23 08:45:27 <skamster___> i must wait a moment, navit is update (this takes a long time :/)
Sep 23 08:45:43 <Heinervdm> skamster___: i added obex-data-server to the runtimedepencies and compiled it :)
Sep 23 08:46:16 <skamster___> could you wrote a tutorial which shows how to make a package?
Sep 23 08:46:39 <skamster___> would be nice, then i could also pack something up..
Sep 23 08:46:41 <skamster___> :)
Sep 23 08:46:41 <Heinervdm> skamster___: i write .bb files and compile them :)
Sep 23 08:47:09 <skamster___> compiling of .bb-files makes a .ipkg-file? :o
Sep 23 08:47:10 <Heinervdm> It's not so esay to discribe that, but i can try
Sep 23 08:47:18 <skamster___> would be nice
Sep 23 08:47:20 <skamster___> :)
Sep 23 08:48:57 <skamster___> at least the compile-command for a finished .bb-file.. and a link which descripes the .bb-format, then i could try to fix some packages in the repo
Sep 23 08:49:36 <Heinervdm> if you have the OE env installaled
Sep 23 08:50:15 <Heinervdm> then it's just: make update; cd shr-unstable; . ./setup-env; bitbake name-without-bb
Sep 23 08:50:48 <Heinervdm> but be carefull with make update, it removes all changes :D
Sep 23 08:57:29 <Heinervdm> skamster___: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/BitBake_recipe there exists a basic description
Sep 23 08:58:32 <skamster___> ah, ok, nice.. i never see that
Sep 23 09:11:41 <skamster___> Skipping plugin Gconf
Sep 23 09:11:41 <skamster___> No module named gconf
Sep 23 09:11:50 <skamster___> i think, that could also be a problem
Sep 23 09:19:46 <Heinervdm> skamster___: gconf should be in shr repo
Sep 23 09:22:18 <skamster___> mmh, there is gconf-dbus, but not plain gconf.. and also not python-gconf.. i think, this is necessary, because it want to load the gconf-module in python
Sep 23 10:59:58 <pbaxter> hello all
Sep 23 12:11:38 <DocScrutinizer-8> !botsnack
Sep 23 12:11:38 * cdbot2 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer-8
Sep 23 14:05:10 <panicking> larsc, Hi
Sep 23 14:05:15 <panicking> hope that you have time
Sep 23 14:12:28 <larsc> panicking: yep
Sep 23 14:13:39 <panicking> larsc, ok i'm near the end
Sep 23 14:13:46 <panicking> I have only a panic during mount
Sep 23 14:13:47 <larsc> panicking: you talked about changes in the fiq code that would be necessary. what changes are taht?
Sep 23 14:14:01 <larsc> panicking: where?
Sep 23 14:14:16 <panicking> Maybe I miss somenthing
Sep 23 14:14:20 <panicking> but I have no idea
Sep 23 14:14:27 <panicking> I put in debug jffs2
Sep 23 14:14:30 <panicking> and seem ok
Sep 23 14:14:47 <panicking> kernel panic - not syncing adept to kill init
Sep 23 14:15:05 <panicking> during mount
Sep 23 14:15:12 <panicking> on jffs2
Sep 23 14:15:13 <panicking> nand
Sep 23 14:15:27 <panicking> The other one problem is the jack on the soc-jack
Sep 23 14:15:32 <panicking> do you have a panic there?
Sep 23 14:15:48 <larsc> depends
Sep 23 14:16:54 <larsc> do you have https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/target/linux/generic-2.6/patches-2.6.31/780-fix-race-in-snd_soc_jack_add_gpios.patch
Sep 23 14:17:30 <panicking> thanks
Sep 23 14:17:32 <panicking> :)
Sep 23 14:22:10 <panicking> larsc, do you have any idea in why I can't mount the rootfs
Sep 23 14:22:19 <panicking> I have downloaded one on the shr website
Sep 23 14:25:21 <larsc> no idea. but i guess it's for a similar reason why i can mount mine
Sep 23 14:27:19 <panicking> can you send me your config with nand and jffs2 activated?
Sep 23 14:27:44 <larsc> oh, actually i can now
Sep 23 14:28:03 <larsc> sure
Sep 23 14:28:17 <panicking> then I can update you with my stuff
Sep 23 14:28:20 <panicking> if you want
Sep 23 14:28:44 <larsc> sure
Sep 23 14:29:06 <larsc> i started pushing things to git.openmoko.org
Sep 23 14:32:08 <larsc> panicking: http://metafoo.de/gta02-config
Sep 23 14:43:46 <panicking> larsc, How can I help?
Sep 23 14:46:02 <larsc> tell me about the changes you had to do to the fiq handler and lis302 driver
Sep 23 14:48:39 <panicking> For the lis302
Sep 23 14:48:58 <panicking> I find just a compilation error because the work struct was not defined
Sep 23 14:49:01 <panicking> in the data
Sep 23 14:49:35 <panicking> I'm trying to cleanup the fiq code, I never changed nothing at all
Sep 23 14:49:45 <panicking> With you config
Sep 23 14:49:46 <panicking> boot
Sep 23 14:50:38 <larsc> good
Sep 23 14:53:04 <panicking> I change a little bit
Sep 23 14:53:07 <panicking> to start android
Sep 23 15:50:20 <panicking> larsc, ok I boot android with the latest kernel
Sep 23 15:53:18 <slaxxer> and how is it?
Sep 23 16:02:50 <grav> how to access F1-F10 keys in SHR default screen keyboard ??
Sep 23 16:14:24 <panicking> I don't know, because I don read the partition table
Sep 23 16:14:32 <PBeck> hi
Sep 23 17:04:06 <panicking> larsc, Do you test the sdcard?
Sep 23 17:04:11 <panicking> What driver do you use?
Sep 23 17:04:25 <panicking> I have trouble to check partition
Sep 23 17:04:38 <panicking> the sdcard is recongnized by the system
Sep 23 17:29:53 <larsc> panicking: there might be still some problems with the sd card driver
Sep 23 17:48:51 <panicking>  cmd->data->error = res;
Sep 23 17:48:52 <panicking> +                       cmd->data->error = -EIO;
Sep 23 17:48:55 <panicking> check this patch
Sep 23 17:48:59 <panicking> because is wrong
Sep 23 17:52:28 <panicking> -
Sep 23 17:52:29 <panicking> +
Sep 23 17:52:41 <panicking> can be some sense that now I don't understand
Sep 23 17:52:48 <panicking> but two assigment
Sep 23 17:52:53 <panicking> are too much
Sep 23 18:03:19 <DocScrutinizer-8> panicking: that sounds reasonable concern
Sep 23 18:04:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> panicking: anyway... pointer please, to source. Otherwise nobody can duplicate your findings
Sep 23 18:13:50 <panicking> larsc, DocScrutinizer it's a duplication of the pending patches of larsc for 2.6.31
Sep 23 18:24:44 <larsc> panicking: you are looking at the wrong driver
Sep 23 18:25:11 <larsc> gta02 uses the glamo to do it's mmc access
Sep 23 18:25:44 <panicking> I only looking on the you reposiotry patches
Sep 23 18:25:50 <panicking> and try to understand the change
Sep 23 18:28:45 <larsc> you were looking at the s3c mmc driver
Sep 23 18:29:00 <panicking> yes, because I apply the patch
Sep 23 18:29:03 <panicking> and try to reduce
Sep 23 18:29:06 <panicking> the difference
Sep 23 18:29:09 <panicking> from the online kernel
Sep 23 18:29:12 <panicking> and the patchset
Sep 23 18:29:17 <panicking> so for eache patch
Sep 23 18:29:24 <panicking> I would like to know what happen
Sep 23 18:29:29 <panicking> and why it was written
Sep 23 18:30:43 <larsc> the changes to s3c-mci are from andy-tracking
Sep 23 18:32:33 <panicking> ok, so we can drop  on the mainline?
Sep 23 18:34:38 <panicking> larsc, do you done some rework around mci driver?
Sep 23 18:35:25 <larsc> i modified the glamo mci driver, but i didn't touch the s3c mci driver.
Sep 23 18:41:52 <panicking> Do you have the link to the new version
Sep 23 18:41:55 <panicking> I'm rewrite it
Sep 23 18:42:00 <panicking> ing it
Sep 23 18:43:17 <PaulFertser> panicking: he spent quite some time rewriting glamo-mci and his patches were included in openwrt .30 kernel
Sep 23 18:43:38 <PaulFertser> panicking: now i guess they're included in .31 files/patches too.
Sep 23 18:43:49 <panicking> ok
Sep 23 18:43:53 <panicking> I take a look to the diff
Sep 23 19:04:09 <Andre613> Hello gang. I have a question regarding microSD. It seems that my FreeRunner suddenly can't read any of my microSD cards anymore. At first, I thought it was a distro problem (I was using SHR), but now, I'm trying to upgrade the GSM firmware, and when I try booting into the SD card (using the NOR boot loader) it loads the kernel, but then panics with I/O errors
Sep 23 19:04:34 <Andre613> I guess my question would be: Is this a known issue?
Sep 23 19:11:36 <lindi-> Andre613: what I/O errors are they?
Sep 23 19:24:07 <Andre613> lindi: I coudln't remember. However, a suggestion from a colleague to clean the contacts on the uSD slot seemed to have fixed the problem ;)
Sep 23 19:35:01 <FredWP> How does one remove an inserted memory card from the Neo FreeRunner?
Sep 23 19:35:09 <FredWP> I got it in with a lot of sweating.
Sep 23 19:35:14 <FredWP> But I can't open the lock again.
Sep 23 19:35:22 <FredWP> I'm afraid of breaking it with screw driver or so.
Sep 23 19:38:15 <FredWP> Nobody?
Sep 23 19:38:28 <tg> i usually remove it with a small screwdriver
Sep 23 19:38:50 <FredWP> Never mind.
Sep 23 19:38:53 <FredWP> Nail did it!
Sep 23 19:39:01 <tg> yeah that's the other option ;)
Sep 23 19:43:57 <PaulFertser> FredWP: you can attach a small piece of adhesive tape inside the holder to make it easier in the future (c) DocScrutinizer 
Sep 23 19:44:42 <FredWP> I don't think I'll be removing it a lot.
Sep 23 19:44:49 <FredWP> I just wanted to test the SD card reader on my Yeeloong.
Sep 23 19:45:04 <FredWP> But thanks anyway for the tip. :)
Sep 23 20:34:28 <grav> How to rotate screen in Illume (SHR) ?
Sep 23 20:37:08 <max_posedon> if you use xglamo... don't do it
Sep 23 20:40:14 <grav> do i have alternative for xglamo ?
Sep 23 20:41:52 <max_posedon> Xorg-video-glamo
Sep 23 20:41:58 <max_posedon> if it avaible right now
Sep 23 20:42:07 <max_posedon> shr-U team working on getting it work
Sep 23 20:43:06 <grav> good to hear that :)
Sep 23 20:43:08 <PaulFertser> grav: xrandr -o 1
Sep 23 20:43:41 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, after 2nd xrandr or after suspend neo dead
Sep 23 20:43:44 <grav> thx, but is there a finger-friendly option to do that ?
Sep 23 20:43:54 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: oh
Sep 23 20:44:02 <max_posedon> xglamo, you know
Sep 23 20:44:11 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: my FR emits high-pitch noise loud enough to be intolerable.
Sep 23 20:45:21 <grav> I've just rotated Xglamo few times.. without problems (except the one second noise) 
Sep 23 20:46:12 <max_posedon> lucky man
Sep 23 20:47:26 <grav> just the touchscreen seems to be .. innacurate.. and onscreen keyboard dont appear
Sep 23 20:56:19 <grav> I've found fix for that 
Sep 23 20:57:10 <grav> make a change on desktop (add/del icon) to force refresh.. then the keyboard and touchpanel is fixed
Sep 23 20:57:30 <grav> till next rotation..
Sep 23 22:43:48 <Chocky> moo!
Sep 24 02:48:11 <Cristianpark> hy guys, I reported this error yesterday
Sep 24 02:48:19 <Cristianpark> and stills bothering me
Sep 24 02:49:28 <Cristianpark> http://tinypaste.com/a7a29. It occurs when I try to upgrade SHR-U Time Stamp: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:34:21 +0200 and Kernel: 2.6.29-rc3
Sep 24 02:50:57 <Cristianpark> I'm getting this since I installed SHR on the NAND Memory last sunday
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