**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 28 02:59:57 2009 Sep 28 05:34:06 I'm sad. Sep 28 05:35:48 mr. wiki warned me that if I add a -m flag to nandwrite that I'd get an entire partition of blocks marked as bad, and mr. wiki was correct. Sep 28 05:35:59 * root_demon pouts Sep 28 05:47:11 so begins another 45 minutes of wiki reading. does anyone have positive things to say about android? my goal is to play with it on nand. Sep 28 05:47:11 DocScrutinizer: Ah, so you preferred plain illume to niebiee. Ok, np, i'll get a version today's evening. Sep 28 05:47:47 root_demon: android is not for hackers, that's what android devs say themselves. Sep 28 05:48:05 root_demon: also -m is not a problem unless you have forgotten to do flasherase_all beforehand. Sep 28 06:04:56 I just used flash_erase on mtd6, then I decided to try -m with nandwrite. the whole partition is now marked bad. I'm gonna have to reflash everything, included u-boot, hah? Sep 28 06:05:12 *including Sep 28 06:07:32 root_demon: you flasherase or flasherase_all? Sep 28 06:07:45 flasherase. Sep 28 06:08:25 root_demon: did you mistyped or read somewhere this harmful advice? Sep 28 06:08:37 it's actually on the wiki. Sep 28 06:08:54 root_demon: please pass me a link, it should be fixed immediately. Sep 28 06:09:20 root_demon: have you already found the guide to do "nand scrub" etc? Sep 28 06:09:30 actually, nevermind. it is flash_eraseall. Sep 28 06:09:39 the wiki page with minicom? Sep 28 06:09:51 root_demon: aha, so you mistyped Sep 28 06:10:30 root_demon: you can use any terminal emulator you like to give commands to NOR u-boot. Sep 28 06:10:44 root_demon: and yes, you'll have to reflash everything on NAND. Sep 28 06:11:26 the first time I did this (yesterday) I must have used flash_eraseall. I probably used the wrong one this time. do i have to use minicom or can I reflash everything (including uboot) with flasherase/nandwrite? Sep 28 06:11:56 root_demon: the problem is that blocks are already marked bad, so flasherase will do nothing about it. Sep 28 06:12:13 well, that bastard.... Sep 28 06:12:40 root_demon: you can take Werner's badnand utility (that shows information about bad blocks) and somehow alter it to support clearing BBT and OOB data about bad blocks. Sep 28 06:12:50 root_demon: or use NOR u-boot to "scrub" nand. Sep 28 06:13:42 root_demon: or just use your SD and boot everything you need from it. Sep 28 06:14:29 I read the wiki on minicom/neocon and I don't quiet get it. I don't have a /dev/ttyACM0. is it better to use neocon to avoid kernel/module compilation? Sep 28 06:15:37 well, I have to use the SD card. the motherboard on my laptop is about gone. the usb ports no longer work. it's looking more and more like a technology graveyard in here. the freerunner will be next on the list when i end up bricking it. Sep 28 06:36:41 would you happen to have a wiki link to that? Sep 28 06:44:41 root_demon: about what? Sep 28 06:44:53 root_demon: using SD? Sep 28 06:45:49 root_demon: just untar the latest SHR unstable on SD. But i'm not sure what your u-boot configuration looks like so i can't tell for sure how to make it boot. Sep 28 06:59:51 I'm running on SD right now. I had to install it on SD while running off NAND though, seeing as I can't use usb for anything. minicom will let me reflash with running off my card? Sep 28 07:00:07 also, has anyone noticed that the battery contains two typos? Sep 28 07:04:08 root_demon: the battery? Sep 28 07:04:47 root_demon: minicom can connect to your device via cdc_acm (using usb) when u-boot is running. And u-boot doesn't run from SD. Sep 28 07:06:45 so minicom mus be used on a computer connected to the phone via usb? Sep 28 07:09:26 root_demon: not necessarily minicom Sep 28 07:10:14 is there any way to do it without the use of a computer? reflashing uboot/bbt on nand while running off of sd? Sep 28 07:12:03 root_demon: why not just use nandwrite? Sep 28 07:13:16 *chuckle* cool. that's pretty much what I was asking. if I nandwrite a new uboot to mtd2, is that going to reset the bbt? Sep 28 07:13:26 root_demon: bbt? Sep 28 07:13:46 the bad block table. aka my mtd6 partition. Sep 28 07:14:34 root_demon: i don't know about bad block tables. Sep 28 07:15:17 I added a -m flag to nandwrite and the while root partition ended up being marked as bad. Sep 28 07:15:49 Hello Every, I am using FDOM on Neofree Runner, But The phone doesnt detect my SIM card Sep 28 07:15:58 root_demon: who marks it as bad? Sep 28 07:16:07 Any one knows What could be the problem Sep 28 07:16:46 lindi: who? Sep 28 07:18:39 root_demon: "ened up being marked as bad"? Sep 28 07:35:25 root_demon: no, reflashing u-boot can't clear bbt Sep 28 07:35:30 root_demon: obviously Sep 28 07:35:52 root_demon: i've already told you that your only chance is to modify Werner's badnand utility or to find some usb host finally. Sep 28 07:37:59 root_demon: also don't forget that on FR bad block information is also stored in OOB data :-/ Sep 28 07:39:19 PaulFertser: re-read the wiki. so, the bbt is at the very end of flash. I get it now. if i were to 0xFF (or does a 0 bit represent clear?) the last two blocks, would that be enough? that wouldn't help with oob though. i see that your name is on that wiki page for clearing the bbt. Sep 28 07:40:57 I'm just not going to be able to accept that as an answer. I'm gonna find a way to clear that table without a host computer. Sep 28 07:41:22 root_demon: i have to admit i've already forgot all the details but i can say you think in right direction. But please make sure you verify every step you're going to perform. I really recommend you to at least read werner's badnand.c to understand more about BBT. Sep 28 07:42:06 root_demon: also i'm not sure anymore if linux NAND code uses only BBT or OOB too. Sep 28 07:42:17 root_demon: and not sure about u-boot. Sep 28 07:42:35 root_demon: btw, nandwrite allows you to alter OOB data too if you use some proper switches. Sep 28 07:42:43 now where is badnand.c again? is that part of the nand utils stuff's source? Sep 28 07:43:17 root_demon: no, it's Werner's utility: http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/badnand/ Sep 28 07:44:13 root_demon: btw, i recommend you to search openmoko kernel ML archives, there was some discussion about all that stuff (badnand was written as a result of that), i think you'll get more understanding if you find it. Sep 28 07:45:40 m'kay, will do. I'm sure somebody else out there must have been in the same predicament. Sep 28 07:47:31 root_demon: not really, having an access to a usb-host equipped device is quite common. Also not many people tried using nandwrite, even less of those used wrong command for erasing the flash and moreover they didn't risk using -m i guess. Sep 28 07:48:16 well, maybe I'll add a wiki page after all this - a 'what not to do' page. Sep 28 07:52:17 root_demon: there's already a warning on the wiki about -m Sep 28 07:53:46 root_demon: btw, i think i was probably the first to do the stupid thing and to mess my nand using -m. I'm not sure anymore but probably i solved that overwriting the relevant nand partition (including OOB) with 0xff but i didn't touch BBT. Sep 28 07:57:44 Can GTA1 charge GTA2 batteries? Sep 28 07:58:03 thrashold: well, sort of Sep 28 07:58:28 I'm still wondering if my gta01 is dead, or it was just the battery Sep 28 07:58:40 thrashold: when it's running, it can charge but in theory it can not reach more than 200mA and that needs tweaking of one PMU register Sep 28 07:58:42 I diagnosed it dead after it didn't charge the gta02 battery Sep 28 07:59:01 thrashold: you better fully charge gta02 battery in gta02 and then try it in your gta01. Sep 28 07:59:41 thrashold: because in practice those 200mA seem to be split between charging and powering the device so in the best case (after manually tweaking PMU register) you'll have ~50mA charging. Sep 28 08:00:05 thrashold: but if you fully booted and then did "poweroff" then PMU will start charging with 500mA limit. Sep 28 08:00:19 I don't have explanation but this stuff i say currently i've seen myself. Sep 28 08:00:24 I see Sep 28 08:00:56 thrashold: why do you think your gta01 is dead? Sep 28 08:01:00 Well Sep 28 08:02:11 Its battery had swollen, and it wasn't charging, and I bought a gta02 battery, thinking it was the battery Sep 28 08:02:19 The new battery still didn't charge Sep 28 08:02:41 And due to the fact that I've heard the scream of death several times Sep 28 08:02:52 I thought that the device was dead Sep 28 08:03:00 at least the charging Sep 28 08:03:11 thrashold: oh, scream of death. :( why didn't you avoid it? Sep 28 08:03:19 I didn't know about it :) Sep 28 08:03:37 thrashold: can you probably get access to any nokia bl-5c charger or cellphone with charged battery? Sep 28 08:04:12 I have charged GTA02 batteries, the phone works with them Sep 28 08:04:18 It just doesn't charge anything Sep 28 08:04:19 :) Sep 28 08:04:23 thrashold: btw, if you're handy with soldering iron you can carefully disassemble the battery and insert 10k between id pin and ground, it will allow gta01 to charge it. Sep 28 08:04:33 thrashold: aha, so it's not dead, lucky you! Sep 28 08:05:01 So it is possible that even the charging is OK? Sep 28 08:05:05 thrashold: so to say yes, gta01 has difficulties charging non-native batteries. There're three possible fixes: Sep 28 08:05:17 (I can't check the damanged battery, because I heard that gta02 wouldn't charge it) Sep 28 08:05:51 thrashold: fully boot with the battery you want to charge (it should have enough juice for that) and then do 'poweroff'. Do not disconnect from USB! It will charge with 500mA. Sep 28 08:06:06 thrashold: second is to take any compatible battery and use 10k there. Sep 28 08:06:39 thrashold: third (and best imho) is to change 10k inside gta01 to 70k that will allow to charge any nokia bl-[456]c battery. Sep 28 08:08:49 thrashold: (70k) that's basically an 'educated guess' i suggest you measure the resistance on your particular nokia battery while it's at about room temperature and use something close to that. Sep 28 08:09:17 thrashold: (gta02 charging foreign battery) gta02 never had any problems charging _any_ battery. Sep 28 08:09:31 thrashold: but i'd not recommend to try to use a "swallen" one anyway. Sep 28 08:09:45 I tried, and it didn't charge it. So I assume it's the battery Sep 28 08:09:46 ? Sep 28 08:10:02 swollen/puffed lith = internal short Sep 28 08:10:06 not to be used Sep 28 08:10:14 and can catch fire if not handled/treated properly Sep 28 08:10:26 ndnihil++ Sep 28 08:10:30 :) Sep 28 08:10:34 :) Sep 28 08:11:20 I usually dispose of them by placing them in a bucket of salt water, then stabbing through the casing Sep 28 08:11:33 salt water neutralizes the electrolyte Sep 28 08:13:16 PaulFertser: If I want my gta01 to charge gta02 batteries, what should I do? Sep 28 08:15:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCWdnjLqVWw Sep 28 08:29:28 What is the best way to make it do that? :P Sep 28 08:30:20 to make it swell/vent/catch fire? Sep 28 08:30:29 yes Sep 28 08:30:34 overcurrent conditions Sep 28 08:30:41 short it Sep 28 08:30:45 overcharge it Sep 28 08:30:48 etc.. Sep 28 08:31:40 Will overheating it suffice? Sep 28 08:31:56 I'd imagine so Sep 28 08:32:35 thrashold: (charge gta02 batteries in gta01) hm, read backlog? Sep 28 08:32:40 not sure how hot you'd have to make it for the internal structure break down though Sep 28 08:34:01 PaulFertser: This one: thrashold: third (and best imho) is to change 10k inside gta01 to 70k that will allow to charge any nokia bl-[456]c battery. Sep 28 08:34:02 ? Sep 28 08:34:35 thrashold: what's unclear about it? ;) Sep 28 08:35:00 It mentions nokia batteries :) Sep 28 08:37:04 So I assume I can use this for a gta02 battery, too. OK. I'm currently testing the first suggestion :O) Sep 28 08:39:36 thanks Sep 28 08:39:59 thrashold: nope, to charge gta02 battery like it's native you'll need to disassemble the battery and to connect 10k there between id pin and gnd. Sep 28 08:40:17 thrashold: because gta02 batteries have a special bq27000 chip that uses HDQ over that ID pin normally. Sep 28 08:40:39 No way to do this by modyfing the phone? Sep 28 08:40:52 thrashold: alternatively, you can make some hardware tweak to gta01 to disable temperature control altogether. Sep 28 08:41:10 thrashold: that way it'll work like gta02 charging any battery. Sep 28 09:41:31 CM: gtug på torsdag? :) Sep 28 09:43:33 * PaulFertser wonders if the world would become better or worse if all the people suddenly became a little bit stoned (not too much) for a month. Sep 28 09:53:42 PaulFertser: start with yourself ;-P Sep 28 09:55:47 from my experience the effect of each psychoactive substance is so individual you can't really tell what was the resulting average result Sep 28 09:56:21 s/experience/observation (to make clear;)/ Sep 28 09:57:13 DocScrutinizer-8: i've never heard about cases where stoned people became more aggressive or evil comparing to their normal state. Sep 28 09:57:39 DocScrutinizer-8: so what theme do you want me to (crudely) alter to almost remove the keyboard topbar? Sep 28 09:58:08 default? Sep 28 09:58:25 DocScrutinizer-8: np, i'll try to do it today's evening if i won't be too sleepy. Sep 28 09:58:30 aka illume-shr? Sep 28 09:59:53 PaulFertser: missing agressivity might result in a real evil world -- you never know Sep 28 10:00:33 not immediately, but long term anyway Sep 28 10:00:42 if accomplished by way of becoming stoned, it'll result in a very lazy planet who can't be arsed to do much of anything Sep 28 10:00:42 DocScrutinizer-8: (never know) that's exactly why i'm asking other opinions. Sep 28 10:01:57 ndnihil: i'm not sure it's much worse than it is now (when people are not lazy enough to refrain from wars e.g. :( ) Sep 28 10:02:41 probably without agressive mastering his environment, man never even made it to have fire or survive predators Sep 28 10:03:21 But probably we've already passed the point and now agressivity is redudant? Sep 28 10:04:39 If I was SVN master of the sourcecode, I really had to ponder if you get commit access ;-) Sep 28 10:05:05 live is a *very* complex app Sep 28 10:05:35 time for a reboot Sep 28 10:06:54 cannibinoids are effective for a lot of things (I use it for nausea), but the long term effects for behavioral modification use can backfire I'm sure Sep 28 10:07:25 PaulFertser: for good reason I prefer the bonmots version like that: "live would be so easy if only I could *read* the sourcecode" Sep 28 10:07:43 The negative effects on some of prolonged use - especially when young are fairly solid. Sep 28 10:08:04 s/live/life/ Sep 28 10:08:04 DocScrutinizer-8 meant: PaulFertser: for good reason I prefer the bonmots version like that: "life would be so easy if only I could *read* the sourcecode" Sep 28 10:08:10 morning Sep 28 10:08:11 yeah, I'd say 21+ before people start smoking Sep 28 10:08:43 31+ for alcohol ;) Sep 28 10:09:29 41+ for driving? :) Sep 28 10:09:46 driving is freedom Sep 28 10:09:47 And what about age of "consent"? Sep 28 10:09:51 nobody should be denied that at any age Sep 28 10:09:52 yeah. Look at me! would you want your children to become the same? ;-P Sep 28 10:11:08 what about pregnancy? there's enough examples of people who shouldn't be parents on daytime tv :p Sep 28 10:14:20 Meomer: and that's just the presenters. Sep 28 10:16:29 * SpeedEvil sighs. Sep 28 10:16:32 http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/2897782/Review-Rubiks-TouchCube Sep 28 10:16:41 saw that Sep 28 10:16:41 Electronic is not always better Sep 28 10:16:45 I'd stick with the original Sep 28 10:16:45 * DocScrutinizer-8 shudders Sep 28 10:23:41 ok, now that we got a coalition for govmnt of one individual that thinks SMS is startrek tricorder, and a party that sends SPAM for election adverts... We really need to think about new way to sneak around the chinesefication of german internet Sep 28 10:28:05 you know, I'm surprised there aren't bluetooth headsets modeled after the communicator boomerang shaped things they had on their shirts Sep 28 10:28:16 (original series) Sep 28 10:29:23 what's the use of a headset pinned to your shirt? ;-P Sep 28 10:30:12 to look (only slightly) like less of a dipshit than people who walk around with BT headsets on their ears all day? Sep 28 10:30:27 we call them "blue-tools" here Sep 28 10:30:35 ndnihil: paramount would get all pissy about that. Sep 28 10:30:48 ndnihil: I am really surprised though that they haven't licensed one. Sep 28 10:30:48 with "tool" being slang for cock/penis/dipshit/dumbass/etc... Sep 28 10:31:07 (not sure if you have the same slang on that side of the pond) Sep 28 10:31:24 never heqrd Sep 28 10:31:30 heard Sep 28 10:31:42 glad I clarified then :) Sep 28 10:32:02 kinda like "bellend" in the UK Sep 28 10:32:06 (paramount) SpeedEvil how do you know they didn't Sep 28 10:32:42 I'm sure the chinese don't care much about licensing issues Sep 28 10:32:58 and they make dual-sim phones that looks like mickey mouses head Sep 28 10:33:06 (seriously) Sep 28 10:33:54 DocScrutinizer: I'm sure it would have been slashdoted. Sep 28 10:33:54 * DocScrutinizer-8 ponders to make big money with dedicated VPN proxy bulk hosting somewhere in shanghai or maybe russia Sep 28 10:34:21 I'd avoid doing it in china Sep 28 10:34:22 I would be somewhat interested in VPN terminating in russia. Sep 28 10:34:38 SpeedEvil: ok, I'm not on /. regularly Sep 28 10:34:39 they seem to be pretty strict about the great firewall Sep 28 10:34:51 The UK government is increasingly taking the view 'logging stuff is cool!' Sep 28 10:35:02 I want VPN terminating in the UK, so I can watch BBC's iplayer thing Sep 28 10:35:14 SpeedEvil: (russia) so let's call that a business model Sep 28 10:35:44 ndnihil: I can offer this service at the low, low price of one Freerunner or n900 per month for 128k VPN. Sep 28 10:35:53 heheh Sep 28 10:36:35 I should have some bandwidth there soon enough Sep 28 10:36:40 ndnihil: that should be possible with openproxy even Sep 28 10:36:49 our london office is growing Sep 28 10:37:15 doc: on the rare occasion open proxies work, they're jumpy and unusable for streaming video Sep 28 10:37:21 at least the ones I've tried Sep 28 10:37:26 you don't need streaming Sep 28 10:37:30 get_iplayer Sep 28 10:37:31 k, granted Sep 28 10:37:41 err admittedly Sep 28 10:43:05 hrm, can't find the mickey mouse phone, but they have plenty of: iFone, SciPhone, NOKLA, SAMSUHG, HiPhone, etc.. Sep 28 10:43:43 Does the koolu SD-card installer also format the SD ? Sep 28 10:44:28 ndnihil: huh? Sep 28 10:44:40 dealextreme.com Sep 28 10:44:40 think-geek.com? Sep 28 10:44:43 check out their phones Sep 28 10:44:59 they've got pretty good prices on laser bits too Sep 28 10:45:28 * DocScrutinizer-8 wants a 1500mW green laser Sep 28 10:45:50 I want a slightly higher wattach CO2 laser Sep 28 10:45:54 er Sep 28 10:45:56 wattage Sep 28 10:46:14 bah, co2 is IR Sep 28 10:46:30 dont care if I can see it, I want to make a CNC laser cutter Sep 28 10:46:39 and CO2 is the best bang for the buck in cutting lasers Sep 28 10:46:48 hmm, yes. that might be nice Sep 28 10:47:13 CO2 laser cutters are available relatively inexpensively on ebay. Sep 28 10:47:19 As are replacement tubes Sep 28 10:47:26 really? Sep 28 10:47:27 1000e Sep 28 10:47:32 (for the whole cutter) Sep 28 10:47:38 watts? Sep 28 10:47:42 * ndnihil has never once, -ever- made an ebay transaction Sep 28 10:47:48 no - 25-40W IIRC Sep 28 10:47:52 I need to disable pin on a sim card before installing Android, how would i do thiss on a SHR-flashed phone? Sep 28 10:47:53 1000 euro Sep 28 10:48:01 * SpeedEvil has done about 400 Sep 28 10:48:06 (ebay transactions) Sep 28 10:48:34 * SpeedEvil is sitting on a sofa from ebay, typing on a laptop from ebay, listening to a radio from ebay. Sep 28 10:48:35 I've browsed ebay, and been awfully tempted on some things, but nothing Sep 28 10:48:41 ndnihil: (ebay) same here Sep 28 10:49:01 I get a lot of stuff from craigslist though Sep 28 10:49:10 craigslist doesn't exist here. Sep 28 10:49:13 but it's local, and I can inspect them before purchase Sep 28 10:49:16 sure they do Sep 28 10:49:24 No, they don't functionally. Sep 28 10:49:43 http://london.craigslist.co.uk/ Sep 28 10:49:58 dundee.craigslist.co.uk Sep 28 10:50:03 haven't checked out any of the non-US craigslist sites except tokyo Sep 28 10:50:05 Look at the massive choice! Sep 28 10:50:27 oh wow Sep 28 10:50:35 one post in cars/trucks Sep 28 10:50:50 SpeedEvil: fun starts at 200W Sep 28 10:50:54 cheap rover metro Sep 28 10:51:39 DocScrutinizer: it depends - 40W is just fine for cutting thin stuff. Multiple passes can even cut somewhat thicker. Sep 28 10:51:53 SpeedEvil: ouch Sep 28 10:52:04 I'm surprised it hasn't taken off in other places like it has here Sep 28 10:52:33 ndnihil: ebay got there first Sep 28 10:53:03 yeah, but this is free, -local-, and community moderated Sep 28 10:53:04 ndnihil: And once you've got ebay with - say - 10 cars for sale - very few people will list it on craigslist, with 1. Sep 28 10:53:12 ebay is local too. Sep 28 10:53:16 'within 5 miles' Sep 28 10:53:20 ah Sep 28 10:53:23 * DocScrutinizer-8 dreams of H-F laser of a suitcase or gun formfactor Sep 28 10:53:46 doc: wait until supercapacitors are more readily available Sep 28 10:53:49 it'll happen :) Sep 28 10:54:12 H-F is a chemical laser. No electronics at all Sep 28 10:54:27 er, needs stimulation somehow no? Sep 28 10:54:36 or is it all chem? Sep 28 10:54:39 fill chamber with H2 and F2, and ignite Sep 28 10:54:42 this came up elsewhere; has there been further confirmation or disproval of the speculation that sdxc cards could perhaps be readable by current sdhc controllers if you get to bang them yourself and not eg. through a usb mass storage abstraction? Sep 28 10:55:28 mjr: no to my knowledge Sep 28 10:55:55 mjr: as jury still out on final xc specs Sep 28 10:56:06 righto Sep 28 10:58:04 ndnihil: with two pressurized containers you probably can even have a continuous "laser fire" Sep 28 11:00:16 ndnihil: don't use glass to build the reaction chamber ;-) Sep 28 11:00:33 no doubt Sep 28 11:01:26 I'm still holding out for something electrical Sep 28 11:01:31 easier to recharge Sep 28 11:01:55 not really, for mobile usage Sep 28 11:02:29 you need a whole backpack of capacitors Sep 28 11:02:48 not the new virus grown caps (I hope) Sep 28 11:02:57 or was it bacteria Sep 28 11:03:14 and another one to carry the small 2stroke generator for electrical power Sep 28 11:05:31 yeah, but where are you going to refill the raw material for a chem laser? Sep 28 11:06:17 at Linde tech. gases (R) ;-P Sep 28 11:06:22 heheh Sep 28 11:07:04 the problem is, where do you get rid of all the HF acid ;) Sep 28 11:07:24 easy, add a small pump and use it for close-quarters combat Sep 28 11:07:49 laser blast the zombies from a distance, melt them up close Sep 28 11:08:12 * DocScrutinizer-8 should apply for a designer job at halliburton Sep 28 11:08:23 or whatever they are called Sep 28 11:09:31 * ndnihil is now known as Q Sep 28 11:12:20 another one I've been wanting to make is rail-type gun Sep 28 11:12:28 Is SDXC in fact a total rewrite of the protocol, or is it simply a couple more status bits, and a sucky filesystem? Sep 28 11:12:53 SpeedEvil: good question Sep 28 11:13:42 SpeedEvil: might even be a total redefine of PHY Sep 28 11:14:33 yeah Sep 28 11:14:50 for some things, if it supports te base SPI mode that might be just fine Sep 28 11:15:44 honestly I doubt you want >32GB for FR anyway Sep 28 11:16:02 * ndnihil does Sep 28 11:16:14 but I'm just going to use USB disk Sep 28 11:16:18 More generally asking- as some embedded people hang out here Sep 28 11:16:32 I have some other stuff I might want to put it in Sep 28 11:17:53 SpeedEvil: I'd very much expect they do a multilevel PHY, or a multi-serial Sep 28 11:18:43 both absolutely incompatible to SDHC driver hw Sep 28 11:20:08 yes - 104 megabytes/second would be a real challenge to push over 4 pins Sep 28 11:21:25 with digital logic yes Sep 28 11:22:20 (yeah I'm also more interested in the potential compatibility on other devices, but this had been speculated on here as well) Sep 28 11:22:32 there'd be the Touchbook, and well, even OLPC XO ;P Sep 28 11:22:49 plus my generic interest in such matters Sep 28 11:23:13 basically what SE said about base SPI mode _would_ be fine for some things Sep 28 11:23:46 104M/s over 4 pins isn't that unrealistic (ethernet cable anyone?), just need some -really- fast memory Sep 28 11:24:17 though perhaps not very optimal for a device's root file system, but I forget how fast/slow it is Sep 28 11:24:29 and a -really- fast controller on the other end Sep 28 11:24:36 ndnihil: it's not that that's the problem. Sep 28 11:24:43 ndnihil: the SD connector is poorly specified Sep 28 11:24:55 ndnihil: in terms of impedences and stuff. Sep 28 11:25:11 ndnihil: ever checked PHY of GB-ethernet? Sep 28 11:25:21 ndnihil: ethernet also uses very, very, very complex encodings Sep 28 11:25:37 yep Sep 28 11:25:42 ndnihil: current SDHC - 3.3V = '1', 0V = '0' Sep 28 11:26:03 The ethernet spec for the basic GE protocol spans tens of pages. Sep 28 11:26:07 that won't stay Sep 28 11:26:25 (current SDHC) Sep 28 11:26:34 for XC Sep 28 11:26:46 no - however for the immediate future at least it would probably be a useful low-power mode Sep 28 11:28:17 depending on the one "reserved" bit in SDHC prot existing or not, they for sure will specify a backward compatibility mode for XC Sep 28 11:29:28 honestly I have no idea if adress space of HC is used up with 32G Sep 28 11:29:54 assuming they are sane. Sep 28 11:30:19 address space of HC goes up to wasit 2 or 4 terabytes Sep 28 11:30:24 the cap is artificial Sep 28 11:30:24 Releasing a 32G limited standard when 4G cards were coming out is not the act of a sane standardsmaking body Sep 28 11:31:08 my guess is sane and greedy Sep 28 11:31:09 And the cap being artificial doesn't really ensure that everyone would implement a - say - 128G SDHC card sanely Sep 28 11:31:19 no it doesn't Sep 28 11:31:34 but hey, at least they'll get to sell all-new readers now Sep 28 11:34:03 well, Nokia states in their N900 specs "external SD storage: 16G (for now)" Sep 28 11:34:31 OWTTE Sep 28 11:34:51 ie. "haven't bothered to test 32G SDHC cards" Sep 28 11:35:22 hehe, you'll have a hard time to test a 32G uSD right now Sep 28 11:38:16 n900 was micro? okay then Sep 28 13:18:17 hello all.. i want to use the offline-shr-manager, but i've got already a keypair on my host.. and this should use the phasphrase.. Sep 28 13:18:43 does someone know how i could say ssh "use this key for the moko, the other otherwhise"? Sep 28 13:24:26 skamster_: man ssh Sep 28 13:28:08 mmh, yes, the documentation is good for a one-time-config, i could define there another key, but in a whole application? Sep 28 13:43:23 skamster_: there's a config file for .ssh and there you can specify per-host configuration, including the place to find your secret key iirc. Sep 28 13:56:04 ah, cool.. :) thx :) Sep 28 13:58:42 * ndnihil can't wait for the adapter harness to get here Sep 28 13:58:53 I'll be able to install the FR in the car Sep 28 14:37:56 hi Sep 28 15:16:23 for us users Gta02-core should update the wiki Sep 28 15:16:36 ? Sep 28 15:16:39 Why? Sep 28 15:17:19 documentation? Sep 28 15:17:40 process info Sep 28 15:17:53 timeline Sep 28 15:18:17 its been more than"a few days" Sep 28 15:18:52 i realize the list is handy Sep 28 15:20:19 we need a new device that works an we can purchase Sep 28 15:20:41 or a board that will replace this thing in my phone Sep 28 15:21:41 that hole where the externel gps ant. is could be the place for a cam Sep 28 15:23:52 You do know that to get a production run kicked off will take a fair slice of $100k? Sep 28 15:24:20 hehehehe Sep 28 15:24:22 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/448f5f9cfad119bba40586bac626dc21.png Sep 28 15:38:12 so u recieved a call before booting? Sep 28 15:51:03 ehm, does someone know when the next shr-update will be? Sep 28 15:51:09 is the server defect? Sep 28 15:51:24 (at least the upload?) Sep 28 15:52:00 it's strange to see so many packages which should be ready for update but aren't on the server.. Sep 28 15:55:11 its being discussed in dev channel right now, seems to be imminent, like in the next day or earlier Sep 28 16:01:01 slaxxer: no, that's dwm running instead of illume :) Sep 28 16:01:34 btw, anyone else seeing launcher crashes with "type array 97 not a basic type"? Sep 28 16:02:01 pabs3: that's great Sep 28 16:03:37 ic Sep 28 16:14:22 hey i just got this really nice effect while boot shr.. the text was being rendered over the shr logo, looked really cool! Sep 28 16:19:38 maybe a new .jffs2 file will appear Sep 28 16:19:43 for shr Sep 28 16:20:43 or better yet a testing image:) Sep 28 16:22:07 leth is that an older image? Sep 28 16:22:57 slaxxer: it's pretty new, perhaps not the latest, but not far from it if it isn't.. Sep 28 16:23:35 leth: that means your loglevel on the kernel parameter is too high Sep 28 16:23:57 blindcoder: what do you mean too high.. it's a nice feature! Sep 28 16:25:25 leth: icky more like Sep 28 16:25:59 i thought it looked cool. Sep 28 16:26:06 looks matters you know.. :) Sep 28 16:28:13 yea it covers up that shr logo Sep 28 16:28:57 is it the 080809 shr-unstable? Sep 28 18:19:42 ~logs Sep 28 18:19:42 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Sep 28 18:19:54 :-) Sep 28 18:23:10 ~help Sep 28 18:23:17 Nice :) Sep 28 18:47:27 i tried to change theme in shr settings but it's totally broken now. how to change back the theme if the interface is now totally broken? Sep 28 18:48:31 uhsf: you may try rm -rf ~/.e, restart x Sep 28 18:51:22 uhsf: no Sep 28 18:51:28 uhsf: just edit /etc/profile.d/elementary Sep 28 18:51:35 as that's file which shr-settings modifies Sep 28 18:51:44 or run shr-settings with that command: Sep 28 18:51:56 ELM_THEME=default ELM_FINGER_SIZE=70 shr-settings Sep 28 18:52:08 i can't get the keyboard for the terminal. i'll try connecting with usb Sep 28 19:02:42 now it won't connect with usb. iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24, sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1, ip addr add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 Sep 28 19:02:53 what am i missing? Sep 28 19:17:20 i haven't come here for about 10 months now i guess things have changed for the freerunner since that time Sep 28 19:17:55 if you've flashed it to a recent dist, use ethN where N is the next available eth device Sep 28 19:18:05 usbN has been deprecated Sep 28 19:21:29 eth2 here Sep 28 19:21:46 here too Sep 28 19:22:44 ndnihil: it's just a name anyway :) Sep 28 19:22:49