**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 05 02:59:57 2009 Oct 05 03:21:42 anybody used the debian installer latyly? Oct 05 03:21:51 for sdcard Oct 05 08:27:39 hello all, does someone know, why the sh-build-server is offline? Oct 05 08:41:32 skamster, should be back now Oct 05 09:25:57 hi um is shr working ok in the latest image Oct 05 12:10:55 the shr lock screen (is that the one called "today"?) always tells me there are 6 missed calls, but I cannot seem to find a possibility in pyphonelog to mark them as seen... Oct 05 12:10:59 any hints? Oct 05 13:16:34 "# Do not try to install remoko on SHR-unstable at the moment!! " "# It will brake your hole D-Bus System - no phone-stack anymore!! (09/19/2009) " Oct 05 13:16:39 is this still the current state? Oct 05 15:18:03 Hi everybody Oct 05 15:19:04 I'm a complete lamer on the moko just got and did a dump thing I changed the networks settings via ssh the wrong way now I cant connect to it any idea how to reset? Oct 05 15:23:14 hello ruoso Oct 05 15:25:26 Would be nice to figure out how to handle these sms that come in every time I call my voicemail Oct 05 15:25:35 the content is always just "129" Oct 05 15:26:11 johnsu01: Hi i have a problem I cant connect to my moko any help you can give me? Oct 05 15:26:59 xxtjaxx: what do you mean you changed them the wrong way, and what did you change? Oct 05 15:26:59 xxtjaxx: i can tell you you should go read the wiki. Oct 05 15:27:55 i did read the network page but was dumb enough not to remember the ip i gve it Oct 05 15:29:38 nmap on the host is your friend Oct 05 15:29:56 or the terminal on the neo. simpler. Oct 05 15:30:17 yeah well unfortunately it didnt come with the terminal Oct 05 15:30:31 or is there a key combo to do that Oct 05 15:30:53 none that I'm aware of Oct 05 15:31:38 provided the usb network on the neo isn't down, you could try Oct 05 15:31:56 nmap -sP 192.168.0.0/24 Oct 05 15:31:58 to find the neo Oct 05 15:32:09 i think it's easier to reflash... Oct 05 15:32:27 I guess he has to reflash anyway at some point Oct 05 15:32:56 Tanuva: how is your recipe goining? Oct 05 15:33:42 Heinervdm: gtk+ build hangs because of a dash/bash bug, waiting for a new login after changing the default shell Oct 05 15:34:14 Tanuva: go to tmp/work/arm.../gtk+ Oct 05 15:34:39 open configure and look for line containing -version-script Oct 05 15:34:53 and just remove that -version-script Oct 05 15:35:46 or change shebang of configure script to #!/bin/bash Oct 05 15:36:10 Tanuva: yeah but when I changed the ip so that it isnt in 192.178.0.* Oct 05 15:37:18 xxtjaxx: Do you know what you have running on the neo atm? Maybe it's not bad to reflash a recent shr-u anyway like Heinervdm suggested Oct 05 15:38:10 Tanuva: its a qtopia Oct 05 15:39:14 so you would reflash that Oct 05 15:39:20 U-Boot neo1973 Bootloader 1.3.2-mko12 Oct 05 15:39:31 Build Host Barby Oct 05 15:39:36 tutorial on wiki? Oct 05 15:39:46 Heinervdm: seems to work, thanks :) Oct 05 15:40:12 xxtjaxx: yes, look for something like "getting started with your freerunner" Oct 05 15:40:13 Tanuva: i know, i'm having the same problem every time ;) Oct 05 15:40:18 :D Oct 05 15:44:50 shitshitshit I opnly seee my self onnmap Oct 05 15:50:47 Tanuva: ok on the bottom of teh shippping box i can see DateCode 20090324 and Model GTA02 Oct 05 15:52:30 so and what now with that? Oct 05 15:55:23 I don't know, what directions are you following? Oct 05 16:02:16 xxtjaxx: if you don't want to learn how to use gnu/linux systems and to read the wiki, FR is not for you i'm afraid. Oct 05 16:04:57 Its not thats its just that i hadnt muchfood today feel abit beside me and am affraid that I bricked the phone . Which makes me nervous Oct 05 16:05:29 you didn't brick it just because of misconfiguring network. a reflash fixes that for sure ;) Oct 05 16:05:32 You cannot brick the phone without the debug board Oct 05 16:05:36 It is impossible. Oct 05 16:05:39 so now Ihope to find some food rest somehow and will then go back to this issue . Besides I actually love GNU/Linux and dont use anything else Oct 05 16:05:52 (well, impractical unless you reflash the boot sector >1000 times) Oct 05 16:06:02 Paul did u recomend to use uboot instead of qi when using debian on sdcard? Oct 05 16:06:13 also my normal net connection felt a bit squishy the last few days Oct 05 16:08:02 re y'all Oct 05 16:09:23 i did the debian installer an i cant boot the sdcard,,,,, Oct 05 16:13:03 what would you guys recommend as distro for my Dad? Oct 05 16:13:05 ☺ Oct 05 16:13:17 i plan on making him a nice setup and giving him the openmoko Oct 05 16:13:19 ☺ Oct 05 16:13:52 I almost said sidux + KDE 4.3 but the moko in the question vanisshed me Oct 05 16:14:09 :D Oct 05 16:14:18 I wouldn't recommend sidux to users who just want to use it Oct 05 16:14:31 Sidux? Oct 05 16:14:50 Tanuva: are we talking about the same debian based distro? Oct 05 16:14:56 xxtjaxx: yes Oct 05 16:16:16 I think for the general userus userus the opensuse is a good pick everything gui from installer to configurere and mmakes a hell of a hard head for the geek Oct 05 16:17:17 you were the one who proposed sidux... Oct 05 16:17:33 for beginners I'd say *buntu or suse, yes Oct 05 16:17:38 while I prefer debian-roots Oct 05 16:18:00 Well ok I dont feel that alone anymore Oct 05 16:19:06 I had debian on the neo, too, but having zhone and no illume there wasn't that funny Oct 05 16:19:35 lags behind development quite a bit Oct 05 16:20:16 debian/*buntu is teh sux, they ship broken compilers with releases more often than not Oct 05 16:20:47 bah Oct 05 16:21:29 luckily there are no "releases" in debian sid :> Oct 05 16:21:30 i guess slackware would be too hard? Oct 05 16:21:52 this is the openmoko we're taling about right? Oct 05 16:22:09 yeah, i would like a package manager, i don't have that much time to set it up Oct 05 16:22:12 ~1 week Oct 05 16:23:12 hallo all Oct 05 16:23:13 :) Oct 05 16:23:22 i succeeded in downclocking openmoko Oct 05 16:23:50 i was just wondering why i keep compiling so huge kernels (>2 mb) Oct 05 16:25:07 ok I found the instructions from the getting started guide where they say you need a image.bin and jffs but in the 2008.12 directory there is a tar.gz of the rootfs and jffs2 I think i pick the jffs2 one and the uimage.bin is that right? or is one of the gta02v*.bin needed frombelow README? Oct 05 16:27:03 Guest90384: why you wanna _down_clock your moko too fast? or is it too hot when normal? Oct 05 16:28:49 ah ok I have it read the read me Oct 05 16:32:07 slaxxer: i prefer qi in general unless you have really special requirements. Oct 05 16:32:07 openmoko: 03werner * r5671 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0002.txt): - ECN0002: added software impact and promoted to "Discuss" Oct 05 16:33:03 TAsn: ubuntu sucks. They take away good (but not all good) things from debian and add some of their shit to make life "easier" (actually worse). Oct 05 16:33:32 xxtjaxx: you do not want to flash 2008.x anyway. Oct 05 16:33:36 PaulFertser, huh? Oct 05 16:33:37 xxtjaxx: it's old deprecated Oct 05 16:33:58 TAsn: sorry, meant Tanuva but he's left so completion gave you :) Oct 05 16:35:30 PaulFertser: I'm first time user/Purchaser of suich a sweeet sweeet device and want to get in contact with it in a good way so as I read that 2009 is unstable I rather pick 2008* or is there a better way? Oct 05 16:37:02 xxtjaxx: SHR Unstable is the best currently. At least for the first try. Oct 05 16:37:18 xxtjaxx: 2008.x is completely different software stack (which was always shit btw). Oct 05 16:38:27 ok I didnt see a link to shr which is why I would like you to tell me Oct 05 16:38:51 0oh there hmm "work in progress"+ Oct 05 16:40:03 xxtjaxx: unfortunately if you want something stable and solid you're out of luck, freerunner is still WiP. Oct 05 16:40:13 thanks Paul an i agree,, if u want ubuntu,,u need debian Oct 05 16:40:20 ok+ Oct 05 16:40:24 lenny Oct 05 16:40:33 I take SHR it is community driven after all Oct 05 16:40:44 very good Oct 05 16:43:06 uhm modules-2.6.29-oe11 or oe09? Btw 2.6.29 ssheesh thats a hell of a new kernel for a cellphone Oct 05 16:44:07 also I picked the full-om-gta02.jffs2 so which is best? Oct 05 16:46:47 xxtjaxx: everything is community driven now Oct 05 16:46:56 xxtjaxx: OM doesn't participate anymore. Oct 05 16:47:22 xxtjaxx: take full, yes. And the latest kernel from there. Oct 05 16:50:03 Quite sad that the hardware provider goes to cover the big embedded device marked :'( Oct 05 16:54:05 I had seen several previews of this good peace of technology some with a grey black orange interfce is that SHR opr the older 2008* OS's? Oct 05 16:57:12 can I get a good on moko terminal with SHR? Oct 05 16:57:43 such that I am actually able to correct things I did with ssh? Oct 05 17:02:15 xxtjaxx: sure Oct 05 17:02:22 xxtjaxx: shr has vala-term and it's good enough. Oct 05 17:05:37 PaulFertser: Uhm ValaTerm = Terminal EMulator written in vala or a new not known to me valash using the "vala-scripting"-language? 0.0 Oct 05 17:16:41 xxtjaxx: terminal emulator written in vala, yes. Oct 05 17:18:59 openmoko: 03werner * r5672 10/trunk/gta02-core/io.sch: Oct 05 17:18:59 openmoko: - CONSOLE_RXD and CONSOLE_TXD connect to pins 2 and 3 of the debug connector, Oct 05 17:18:59 openmoko: not 1 and 2. Oct 05 17:21:42 thank god Oct 05 18:05:02 hi Oct 05 18:34:28 hiho everybody I'm back and have good news my neo is flashing the current state is Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode while dfu was state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present Oct 05 18:40:29 i had the thing flashing now the last thing in neotool in the output was "Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode" and the screen is off does that mean i have to reboot it with tap on the start button? Oct 05 18:42:41 xxtjaxx: yes Oct 05 18:45:13 witg usb pluged in? Oct 05 18:47:31 xxtjaxx: do as you feel Oct 05 18:47:43 dammn rthat looks sexy Oct 05 18:48:38 can I write qt software on it? Oct 05 19:02:59 I love the terminal Oct 05 19:10:12 im trying to flash the SHR distro in my neo1973, but looks like the kernel is bigger than the partition size Oct 05 19:10:17 how can i resolve this issue? Oct 05 19:12:54 pancake: use uSD Oct 05 19:13:16 pancake: but SHR unstable should fit to NAND anyway, have you tried it? Oct 05 19:14:18 yep but it says that the kernel is bigger than the partition Oct 05 19:14:27 Starting download: [############################################dfu_download error -110 Oct 05 19:14:59 upgrading the bootloader will fix this? Oct 05 19:15:51 the kernel is 2.3MB and the partition is 2MB Oct 05 19:15:53 Can i use the applicatioons that are advertised on the site of openmoko with SHR? Oct 05 19:16:56 anyone knows the mechanical size of C1767? Oct 05 19:18:17 pancake: the kernel? Oct 05 19:18:22 pancake: you're flashing wrong kernel then Oct 05 19:18:33 xxtjaxx: on which site? Oct 05 19:18:42 andi: do you know there's full BOM released? Oct 05 19:18:52 no Oct 05 19:19:07 I'll search the wiki Oct 05 19:19:14 PaulFertser: the openmoko wiki at the applications page Oct 05 19:19:21 andi: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/BOM/ Oct 05 19:19:52 big thanks Oct 05 19:19:59 xxtjaxx: good application writes submit recipies to the SHR team and the apps get integrated there. So, some apps are indeed available. Oct 05 19:20:28 andi: you know whom to thank for the BOM and it's not me ;) Oct 05 19:20:40 the Doc Oct 05 19:20:48 PaulFertser: its uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr9a690f4a8733bbeeba62ff28ae38ff7f869e4b05-r4-om-gta01.bin the testing for gta01 (neo1973) Oct 05 19:20:53 and this is 2.3MB Oct 05 19:21:07 pancake: do not use testing, use SHR unstable. Oct 05 19:21:34 ok Oct 05 19:21:45 testing word looks more safe than unstable :) Oct 05 19:23:11 pancake: it's not actually Oct 05 19:23:34 pancake: "SHR testing is unsupported, but unstable is? And the latter even more stable than testing? You SHR folks are strange..." Oct 05 19:23:55 hehe Oct 05 19:23:59 good to know Oct 05 19:26:05 pancake: there's probably still some gotcha: gsm works only after fully cold boot (after replugging the battery). It'd be nice if you tested but i'm afraid it wasn't fixed yet. Oct 05 19:26:43 ok i will try Oct 05 19:26:48 its not my main phone Oct 05 19:27:37 pancake: small powersaving hint: fully disable the amp in alsamixer before suspending. I think i'll try to fix it soon but for the moment it's a good workaround. Oct 05 19:28:18 pancake: do not forget to report lowlevel stuff issues to me or to OM trac, component System Software. Oct 05 19:29:02 ok Oct 05 19:35:43 in the BOM there is no C1767, but at least C1764 is in, so I can see that 1206 should be ok Oct 05 19:39:25 freesmartphone.org: 03aapo.rantalainen 07vala-terminal * r523f40937c64 10/src/terminal.vala: fixed: can't cast size_t to long Oct 05 19:54:09 Ok now that I can log into my device using (1) the shell installed on it and (2) ssh again I have the problem that when i login the device the normal network of mine collapses somehow an eth1 is introducerd and suddenly i cant get into irc or anyting why? Oct 05 19:57:58 xxtjaxx: probably network manager or some other questionable soft messes your host config Oct 05 19:58:12 xxtjaxx: eth1 is what is expected when you plug FR to usb, yes. Oct 05 19:58:28 xxtjaxx: to start terminal just press the icon on FR's desktop. Oct 05 19:59:19 uh shit my settings hung me Oct 05 20:03:43 dang couldnt resolve host name Oct 05 20:14:13 PaulFertser: it's not exactly "messing" when a device (FR) is plugged that claims it's a networking device Oct 05 20:15:24 DocScrutinizer-8: yes but nm shouldn't disrupt eth0 normal communication anyway. Oct 05 20:18:46 PaulFertser: I gues that's a question of setup. My suse11.1 doesn't tear down old network when enabling a new one like wifi or FR Oct 05 20:19:54 prev version did though Oct 05 20:20:23 not sure if that's been me who changed the config, or it's default now Oct 05 20:26:03 DocScrutinizer-8: ok. I'm not sure i hoped i gave the poor fella a good enough hint. I just don't understand how to properly answer all that questions. Oct 05 20:27:30 PaulFertser: it's been you who suggested to remove all hints regarding network from wiki, and rather recommend everybody learns how to admin his network ;-) Oct 05 20:28:51 anyway, time for brunch Oct 05 20:28:53 cya Oct 05 20:28:54 DocScrutinizer-8: yep, it was me. But i'm still unsure if it'd be a correct way. Oct 05 20:29:06 DocScrutinizer-8: and anyway nobody's removed all those stupid recipies. Oct 05 20:29:15 DocScrutinizer-8: enjoy your meal :) Oct 05 20:29:26 ack, & thanks Oct 05 20:29:27 The simple solution is to say 'post your ssh root password, and we'll do it' :) Oct 05 20:29:39 looool Oct 05 20:29:43 rotfl Oct 05 20:30:02 SpeedEvil: then we'd need to explain in details how the hell to open the port in firewall or DNAT it on his router etc etc. Oct 05 20:30:30 "but please tweak your router to forward ssh port first" :-P Oct 05 20:30:45 PaulFertser: exactly :-D Oct 05 20:31:10 how does SHR call the microdisks in /dev/* Oct 05 20:31:39 mmcblk0pX Oct 05 20:31:53 or what's microdisks? Oct 05 20:32:29 andreas_: if you mean mtd "partitions" do "cat /proc/mtd" Oct 05 20:32:45 o no I mean microsd sorry Oct 05 20:32:46 andreas_: if you mean uSD partitions, that's mmcblk0pX Oct 05 20:32:57 mmcblk0pX Oct 05 20:33:06 andreas_: and it's obivous from reading dmesg on device btw Oct 05 20:33:53 btw maxifloppy probably is simple mmcblk0 Oct 05 20:34:06 Exactly Oct 05 20:34:18 as it has no p(artitions) - afaik Oct 05 20:34:29 Yep but i'd deprecated this kind of uSD usage. Oct 05 20:34:40 bla, grammar :-/ Oct 05 20:34:55 nevertheless a true saying Oct 05 20:39:19 is it to set the usb settings on the FR better Host or device in case of updates? Oct 05 21:01:55 hm, scroll bar in the sms composition box obscures the rightmost column of text Oct 05 21:19:26 wasup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oct 05 23:08:52 flite is looking for /dev/dsp, which is no longer there...is there a workaround, or a newer version of flite? Oct 05 23:10:17 aoss wrapper Oct 05 23:17:02 ndnihil: is that an install? Oct 05 23:18:08 huh? Oct 05 23:18:16 yes, you have to install it before you use it Oct 05 23:24:08 hey there. is it a way to remove the mplayer icon from the desktop on shr? I looked in 7usr/share/applications/ but there's nothing related Oct 05 23:26:37 try ~/.local/share/applications/ Oct 05 23:28:36 ndnihil you're right, thxs! Oct 05 23:28:42 np Oct 06 01:01:58 openmoko: 03werner * r5673 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0011.txt): Oct 06 01:01:58 openmoko: - ECN0011: forgot to commit it. Now it's there, along with an explanation of Oct 06 01:01:58 openmoko: what it does. Oct 06 01:01:58 openmoko: - STATUS: moved ECN0011 from "Edit" to "Discuss" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 06 02:59:58 2009