**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 06 02:59:58 2009
Oct 06 03:08:18 <slaxxer> hows opkg upgrade in shr-u?
Oct 06 03:24:49 <Undrwater> worked today...
Oct 06 03:25:01 <Undrwater> nothing upgraded tho
Oct 06 04:25:51 <Kraft8181> would "opkg upgrade" give any error msg's if not the FR is online?
Oct 06 04:28:37 <DocScrutinizer-8> seems no
Oct 06 04:29:50 <DocScrutinizer-8> though I didn't do a update prior to test, so maybe there was<ät anything to upgrade at all during that tewt
Oct 06 04:32:09 <Kraft8181> Ok, so when I do a opkg upgrade, with what apears to be no connection, nothing is installed, it just goes on on some predestined path of upgrading?
Oct 06 06:17:03 <AlexC> Hi, My FR running SHR has stopped recieving sms messages
Oct 06 06:17:38 <AlexC> It says that it has no room for more messages, but doesn't display any messages when i go into the messages app
Oct 06 06:29:01 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03werner * r5674 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch docs/ecn/ecn0027.txt wlan.sch): 
Oct 06 06:29:01 <CIA-44> openmoko: - WLAN_SS is CPU -> WLAN, not WLAN -> CPU
Oct 06 06:29:01 <CIA-44> openmoko: - added more endpoints to ECN0027 (on-going)
Oct 06 06:30:42 <PaulFertser> AlexC: probably you have outgoing messages stored on sim
Oct 06 06:30:58 <PaulFertser> AlexC: check with zhone or with mdbus call.
Oct 06 06:32:13 <AlexC> okay
Oct 06 08:35:52 <feitingen> i've tried all my proxies now, and it seems openmoko.com is down?
Oct 06 08:42:42 <soul9> openmoko as a company isn't anymore, is it?
Oct 06 08:42:54 <soul9> .org is down too :(
Oct 06 08:44:30 <frankS2> its been down for... 6months soul9 
Oct 06 08:44:31 <frankS2> :P
Oct 06 08:45:15 <soul9> openmoko.org?
Oct 06 08:45:18 <soul9> no it hasn't
Oct 06 08:45:44 <frankS2> as a company
Oct 06 08:45:46 <frankS2> development
Oct 06 08:45:51 <soul9> oh, that, yeah
Oct 06 08:45:56 <soul9> i know.
Oct 06 08:57:31 <feitingen> bummer
Oct 06 10:00:33 <feitingen> is there any openmoko hardware guys left?
Oct 06 10:19:37 <lindi-> feitingen: on irc?
Oct 06 10:21:37 <feitingen> anywhere, i have some questions about the bluetooth module and the camera interface
Oct 06 10:22:11 <feitingen> but it seems they spent the camera interface on something else :(
Oct 06 10:23:25 <lindi-> feitingen: mailing list works better
Oct 06 10:23:31 <roh> either way its bga and inaccessible afiak
Oct 06 10:23:51 <roh> the bt is connected via usb
Oct 06 10:24:11 <DocScrutinizer-8> roh: what's up with servers? ;-)
Oct 06 10:24:42 <roh> Doc will check.. seems chandra sucks around and needs a reboot. need to get to my real computer for details
Oct 06 10:24:56 <DocScrutinizer-8> k
Oct 06 10:25:25 <DocScrutinizer-8> feitingen: the he guy needs a coffee first ;-D
Oct 06 10:25:40 <feitingen> DocScrutinizer-8: know the feeling :)
Oct 06 10:25:49 <roh> eeepc at my bed.... too small keys and no ssh keys
Oct 06 10:26:06 <roh> the latter on purpose.
Oct 06 10:26:30 <DocScrutinizer-8> hehe
Oct 06 10:27:15 <DocScrutinizer-8> roh: I'd spank you hard on dumping all your keys on a eeepc in a pub ;-)
Oct 06 10:27:52 <DocScrutinizer-8> best without mantra
Oct 06 10:28:35 <roh> nah.. its also ubuntu.. but its purpose is fun only.. means playing music, watchin p0rn with my gf.. etc. not work. i cannot even display thunderbird on there properly
Oct 06 10:32:11 <roh> up to the indian guy having my bf
Oct 06 10:47:56 <Ddorda> hey. is it possible to download maps for tango before using them?
Oct 06 10:49:48 <DocScrutinizer> Ddorda: even inside tango
Oct 06 10:50:51 <Ddorda> DocScrutinizer: but i don't know how zooomed i'll be, i want to download al the maps of an area..
Oct 06 10:50:51 <DocScrutinizer> it's called "download maps" in the context menu iirc ;-P
Oct 06 10:51:44 <Ddorda> the context menu iirc?
Oct 06 10:52:02 <DocScrutinizer> so zoom out until all the area is on the screen, open the context menu, select "download maps", and select "+7 zoom levels" or the like
Oct 06 10:52:25 <Ddorda> i see
Oct 06 10:52:27 <Ddorda> thanks
Oct 06 10:52:32 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Oct 06 10:55:24 <DocScrutinizer-8> Ddorda: you should make sure you store tha maps on a uSD, as it's rather much for the NAND
Oct 06 10:57:26 <Ddorda> DocScrutinizer-8: how do i make sure, and how do i know if it downloads?
Oct 06 10:58:52 <Ddorda> or anyone..?
Oct 06 10:59:30 <DocScrutinizer-8> Ddorda: As the setting in tango always segfaulted for me, I simply created a symlink from the maps dir in ~ to a dir on /media/card
Oct 06 11:00:11 <DocScrutinizer-8> Ddorda: (know) the actual download and scheduled are shown left lower side of tango
Oct 06 11:00:39 <DocScrutinizer-8> the blue "D16" and next value iirc
Oct 06 11:01:46 <Ddorda> how do i make a symlink?
Oct 06 11:02:31 <DocScrutinizer-8> Ddorda: that's honestly beyond this channel ;-). Try "man ln"
Oct 06 11:04:44 <Ddorda> DocScrutinizer-8: thanks
Oct 06 11:05:01 <DocScrutinizer-8> ln -s 
Oct 06 11:05:41 <DocScrutinizer-8> or ln --help
Oct 06 11:08:21 <Ddorda> okay, thanks
Oct 06 11:09:40 <Ddorda> how do i know the downloading status?
Oct 06 11:10:11 <DocScrutinizer-8> see above
Oct 06 11:10:47 <DocScrutinizer-8> there's sth like "D9 - 14321" left bottom corner of tango
Oct 06 11:10:54 <Ddorda> i see
Oct 06 11:10:55 <Ddorda> thanks
Oct 06 11:11:13 <DocScrutinizer-8> this means "9 in progress, 14321 left"
Oct 06 11:11:56 <Ddorda> okay, thanks
Oct 06 11:12:00 <Ddorda> have to go
Oct 06 11:12:01 <Ddorda> cya
Oct 06 11:12:12 <DocScrutinizer-8> bye
Oct 06 11:19:25 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.google.de/search?q=how+do+I+make+a+symlink%3F&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Oct 06 11:19:45 <DocScrutinizer>  1.270.000 hits ;-P
Oct 06 11:36:43 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbf6f9e39ce59 10/fsogsmd/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
Oct 06 11:36:43 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock.*
Oct 06 11:36:43 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: This is the same RTC API as the device's RTC uses.
Oct 06 11:36:44 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8721c90e2660 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (mediators.vala modem.vala): fsogsmd: honor clearing alarm
Oct 06 12:57:57 <badcloud> anyone know if there's a way do dig up deleted sms in shr (from the sim card)?
Oct 06 12:59:10 <DocScrutinizer-8> badcloud: I guess deleted is deleted. you could start a uneraser-project operating on SIM's fs which you can access via AT+CSIM
Oct 06 13:00:22 <badcloud> good idea
Oct 06 13:00:29 <badcloud> wish I had the ability
Oct 06 13:03:44 <DocScrutinizer-8> badcloud: depending on settings of opimd-backends (and probably on version of opimd itself) you *might* find a copy in sqlite database
Oct 06 13:04:15 <badcloud> hmmm I'll look for it
Oct 06 13:05:01 <DocScrutinizer-8> a strings opimd.db-or-whatever|less might help
Oct 06 13:05:08 <badcloud> '/var/db is empty
Oct 06 13:05:19 <badcloud> so I guess the settings were not in my favor
Oct 06 13:05:46 <DocScrutinizer-8> probably
Oct 06 13:05:52 <badcloud> thanks though
Oct 06 13:06:24 <DocScrutinizer-8> default settings sim is default backend, which means sms are handled directly on sim, afaik
Oct 06 13:07:13 <badcloud> how do I manipulate those settings?
Oct 06 13:07:24 <DocScrutinizer-8> shr-settings
Oct 06 13:08:16 <DocScrutinizer-8> others, domains, messages
Oct 06 13:09:33 <DocScrutinizer-8> still opimd only works with opimd-utils, not with standard messages app
Oct 06 13:09:51 <DocScrutinizer-8> afaik
Oct 06 13:10:44 <badcloud> wow, shr-settings has been developed beautifully
Oct 06 13:10:58 <badcloud> *beautifully developed
Oct 06 13:17:47 <accu4> Hi all
Oct 06 13:17:51 <SpeedEvil> hi
Oct 06 13:18:11 <accu4> I'm having problems using disabled_set and disabled_get in elementary
Oct 06 13:18:19 <accu4> are these methods removed?
Oct 06 13:18:44 <accu4> I'm using the python bindings
Oct 06 13:20:31 <accu4> I see them defined in elementary SVN, but no go on the phone
Oct 06 13:20:38 <DocScrutinizer-8> accu4: there are more python coders in #openmoko-cdevel
Oct 06 13:20:44 <accu4> ack, thanks
Oct 06 13:23:04 <xperia> hello to all ! i have a question about the open moko running on the htc magic !
Oct 06 13:24:05 <xperia> can somebody tell me where to find more information about this ? would like to try how it works on my phone too.
Oct 06 13:24:59 <SpeedEvil> Essentially the only 'supported' platforms are the openmoko ones
Oct 06 13:25:11 <SpeedEvil> you are going to have to find someone that's done it before.
Oct 06 13:25:27 <SpeedEvil> and unless they are still interested, it will involve substantial work updating it
Oct 06 13:25:50 <SpeedEvil> First findout if there is a project to run linux on your phone. If there is not, first do that.
Oct 06 13:26:26 <CVirus> xperia: #htc-linux
Oct 06 13:27:03 <xperia> hmmm i think i have readed on the official page of openmoko that the htcmagic phone works with open moko
Oct 06 13:28:12 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7de26e16c3cb 10/libfsoresource/tests/ (Makefile.am testresource.vala): libfsoresource: comment out tests for now
Oct 06 13:28:26 <xperia> okay think have found what i need !
Oct 06 13:28:28 <xperia> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_on_HTC-Dream
Oct 06 13:28:41 <radekp> i think i read about htc dream
Oct 06 13:28:53 <radekp> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_on_HTC-Dream
Oct 06 13:31:07 <radekp> if you make it working, please let us (me) know
Oct 06 13:33:03 <cz_jc> radekp, hi, fellow czech ;P
Oct 06 13:33:34 <xperia> okay will tak a look closer if i can get it to run ! As i know levethian, a swiss ccc member and technical engineer is the man how is doing this. hoped to see him here inthe chanell.
Oct 06 13:34:10 <radekp> cz_jc: hia
Oct 06 13:43:13 <cz_jc> xperia, radekp, maybe you can find him on #htc-linux
Oct 06 13:43:50 <cz_jc> some people from there stopped by #gentoo-openmoko before some time and said their kernels basically work, etc but software sucks
Oct 06 13:53:10 <fenfir> http://www.htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Dream#Status
Oct 06 13:57:32 <xperia> okay thanks for the help. dont know really if open moko fits my needs as a full linux distro on a pocket pc but think from all availbe distros for pocket pc it is one that for sure is a worth to try.
Oct 06 13:58:03 <xperia> till later bye.
Oct 06 14:03:39 <xxtjaxx> in SHR Is it reall important to be ROOT?
Oct 06 14:06:09 <DocScrutinizer-8> no
Oct 06 14:07:03 <DocScrutinizer-8> actually I thought dos1 is about to implement decent conservative user 
Oct 06 14:07:38 <DocScrutinizer-8> means running xsessions as johndoe instead of root
Oct 06 14:07:46 <dos1> it isn't hard to do
Oct 06 14:08:52 <DocScrutinizer-8> dos1: you did 90% already. Go ahead publish it, before I spank you again ;-P
Oct 06 14:09:25 <dos1> well, i didn't do anything at all
Oct 06 14:09:34 <dos1> i only ran X from user from my neo
Oct 06 14:09:42 <dos1> s/r from/r on/
Oct 06 14:09:42 <apt> dos1 meant: i only ran X from user on my neo
Oct 06 14:09:57 <dos1> that thing everyone can do :P
Oct 06 14:10:19 <dos1> i have note on my desktop with things to fix
Oct 06 14:14:57 <xxtjaxx> dos1 apt so just wait till some reasonable usermanagement is there?
Oct 06 14:15:15 <DocScrutinizer-8> dos1: I explained to you why it's important we move to default non-root user for the development "branch" sooner rather than later. So "everybody can do it on their own" isn't exactly helpful
Oct 06 14:15:46 <dos1> DocScrutinizer-8: but i don't know what to do to get development "branch" non-root by default
Oct 06 14:15:54 <dos1> DocScrutinizer-8: and i already explained it to you too ;P
Oct 06 14:16:09 <DocScrutinizer-8> hmm, so we need someone who knows
Oct 06 14:18:54 <xxtjaxx> means u need a unix expert?
Oct 06 14:19:42 <dos1> xxtjaxx: openembedded expert
Oct 06 14:20:16 <xxtjaxx> for usermanagement?
Oct 06 14:20:56 <xxtjaxx> basic things seeem to be there accordingto my knowledge of user management o unix
Oct 06 14:22:14 <dos1> xxtjaxx: we need to have user management by default in image generated by bitbake
Oct 06 14:23:39 <xxtjaxx> dos1 but code _that_ generates it is there right?
Oct 06 14:23:59 <dos1> well, i don't know openembedded so well
Oct 06 14:24:06 <dos1> i only can edit few recipes sometimes :P
Oct 06 14:24:43 <xxtjaxx> dos1: what are you making the images from then?
Oct 06 14:26:33 <xxtjaxx> hmmmmy image doesnt work quite that well cuz images were forgotten -.-
Oct 06 14:27:35 <xxtjaxx> second images are referring to pictures like in /usr/share/pixmaps
Oct 06 14:30:58 <xxtjaxx> hmm server robinson went down
Oct 06 14:32:56 <xxtjaxx> dos1: how do you actually "bake" your images? And from which ingredients?
Oct 06 14:33:03 <dos1> bitbake, openembedded
Oct 06 14:33:55 <xxtjaxx> dos1: I was more thinking like git@github/SHR/shr.git
Oct 06 14:34:09 <dos1> xxtjaxx: cgit.openembedded.org
Oct 06 14:34:13 <dos1> shr/import branch
Oct 06 14:34:30 <spydon> does anyone know how long the batterytime is for the community android?
Oct 06 14:34:38 <xxtjaxx> and there is all the stuff that comes with it?
Oct 06 14:35:12 <xxtjaxx> spydon:  mean FR + Android OS4embed?
Oct 06 14:35:27 <spydon> yeah
Oct 06 14:37:54 <xxtjaxx> spydon go ahead just try should be quite good I think unless you expect the and to bring badd ass performance 
Oct 06 14:38:33 <spydon> well the earlier androif releases haven't even lasted a day so that was why I wondered :P
Oct 06 14:38:45 <spydon> android*
Oct 06 14:39:03 <spydon> so if I will need to charge it everyday I'm keeping the SHR
Oct 06 14:45:05 <Wonka> http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-gps-error.html FAIL
Oct 06 14:54:24 <xxtjaxx> Wonka: SHIT HAPPENS
Oct 06 14:55:09 <xxtjaxx> hmm why does distro/experimentan on downloads openmoko have a kernel but no roootfs image?