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Oct 15 03:00:31 <raster> but cant ship to here :(
Oct 15 03:01:31 <KenYoung> raster, I'll send you one if you buy it in the US.
Oct 15 03:01:52 <raster> u ordering via amazon too?
Oct 15 03:01:58 <KenYoung> Yup.
Oct 15 03:01:58 <raster> or did u already?
Oct 15 03:02:07 <raster> u paid #583
Oct 15 03:02:10 <raster> $583
Oct 15 03:02:29 <KenYoung> Something like that.   I ordered fastest shipping, which bumped it up.
Oct 15 03:02:48 <KenYoung> I don't remember the exact price, but that's the ballpark.
Oct 15 03:06:23 <raster> i wonder if i can send to a non billing addr
Oct 15 03:06:36 <raster> $582.99
Oct 15 03:07:02 <KenYoung> I ship stuff to my relatives all the time.   But internationally that might now work.
Oct 15 03:07:12 <KenYoung> (from Amazon)
Oct 15 03:07:18 <raster> no - doesnt.
Oct 15 03:07:31 <raster> they dont allow it to be shipped
Oct 15 03:07:48 <KenYoung> raster, I can buy it for you, and you can send me a check.
Oct 15 03:08:02 <raster> i can just wire transfer to u
Oct 15 03:08:20 <KenYoung> raster, That's even better.
Oct 15 03:08:21 <raster> give me a bit. i need to set up my hsbc us accoutn so i can do free wire transfers
Oct 15 03:08:33 <raster> i go to the bank tomorrow anyway
Oct 15 03:09:38 <KenYoung> raster, I don;t think it's any big hurry, given the delays anounced.   I'll pre-order a second one now.   email me at orrery.moko@gmail.com if you want to go through with it.   I'll cancel in a while if I hear nothing.
Oct 15 03:10:28 <raster> sure - i'll let u know tomorrow if its easy or hard for me. i can wire xfer without ssetting up account. but its more costly
Oct 15 03:10:42 <raster> since  i get free intl accounts... mayaswell use it
Oct 15 03:15:32 <KenYoung> Goodnight!
Oct 15 03:16:05 <raster> nite!
Oct 15 03:29:59 <objorn> how much longer until the n900 dices its prices in half?
Oct 15 03:30:28 <raster> maybe 1-2 years
Oct 15 03:30:38 <raster> possibly 3
Oct 15 03:30:42 <raster> so 2 +-1
Oct 15 03:31:32 <mostly_useless> so 1 year?
Oct 15 03:31:47 <raster>  1-3 years
Oct 15 03:31:57 <raster> most phones come to half price in that range
Oct 15 03:32:04 <raster> depends on demand and supply etc. tho
Oct 15 03:32:08 <raster> and if maker has new phones yet
Oct 15 03:32:09 <raster> etc.
Oct 15 03:32:12 <mostly_useless> right. we're dealing with fuzzy math. (2 + -1) = 2-ish.
Oct 15 03:32:22 <raster> yes
Oct 15 03:32:32 <raster> 2 plus or minus 1 year
Oct 15 03:32:51 <mostly_useless> I know. just thought it was funny the way it came out typed. :-)
Oct 15 03:34:43 <raster> :)
Oct 15 05:13:28 <objorn> how smooth is the software? what works, what doesn't
Oct 15 05:13:38 <objorn> how does it compare to the n810?
Oct 15 05:36:25 <mostly_useless> the software is like a baby's bottom.
Oct 15 06:23:36 <beer> morning
Oct 15 06:26:15 <objorn> morning
Oct 15 06:26:18 <tomcatek> morning
Oct 15 06:26:35 <objorn> what about keyboard, i keep seeing complaints about the keyboard
Oct 15 06:26:39 <objorn> how's that coming along
Oct 15 06:26:52 <objorn> having the ability to rotate and use a large keyboard
Oct 15 06:27:07 <mostly_useless> beer: your name is pretty much the extent of my night.
Oct 15 06:27:29 <objorn> http://jmccloud.jm.funpic.de/ are really nice themes, good going
Oct 15 06:27:36 <lindi-> objorn: "the keyboard"?
Oct 15 06:27:41 <objorn> the touch keyboard
Oct 15 06:28:00 <objorn> ..software keyboard
Oct 15 06:28:07 <lindi-> objorn: there are many virtual keyboards.
Oct 15 06:28:30 * objorn would like to see
Oct 15 06:29:02 <objorn> how big?
Oct 15 06:29:18 <lindi-> objorn: you can resize
Oct 15 09:52:05 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4bad8f580c9e 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/fsotransport-2.0.deps: libfsotransport: add gee-1.0 to Vala dependencies
Oct 15 10:04:30 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc9c41564b48f 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/subsystem.vala: libfsoframework: document subsystem interface
Oct 15 10:17:47 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re7ab2659898f 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport-2.0.pc.in: libfsotransport: add dependencies also to pkgconfig file
Oct 15 10:19:14 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r90994bbf4942 10/libfsoresource/fsoresource-2.0.pc.in: libfsoresources: add dependencies to pkgconfig file
Oct 15 10:19:51 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb56631452794 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework-2.0.pc.in: libfsoframework: add dependencies to pkgconfig file
Oct 15 10:25:33 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rdbeaaee72643 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/parser.vala: 
Oct 15 10:25:33 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: libfsotransport: add NullParser, swallowing everything that gets fed
Oct 15 10:25:33 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: (yes, I have a couple of other catchy names for that in mind, but these
Oct 15 10:25:33 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: might be unsuitable to the casual code browser :D)
Oct 15 10:30:21 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r061acd44ea1b 10/fsogpsd/src/plugins/ (dbus_service/plugin.vala receiver_nmea/plugin.vala): fsogpsd: add enable/disable and open channel
Oct 15 11:18:20 <alabd> good day everyone , What is FR SAR ?
Oct 15 11:19:24 <SpeedEvil> SAR?
Oct 15 11:19:30 <SpeedEvil> you mean SRA?
Oct 15 11:21:59 <alabd> no sar solved , SpeedEvil also you have FR ? 
Oct 15 11:22:18 <SpeedEvil> no
Oct 15 11:25:27 <alabd> sar http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080902
Oct 15 11:25:33 <alabd> SAR
Oct 15 11:26:57 <alabd> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td833107
Oct 15 11:27:24 <SpeedEvil> Practically, I have questions that it's ever meaningfull.
Oct 15 11:30:32 <alabd> what ?
Oct 15 11:30:49 <SpeedEvil> SRA
Oct 15 11:31:25 <SpeedEvil> I've seen little evidence that it's actually an issue. Plus, if you're worried, you can go to bluetooth headsets
Oct 15 11:39:22 <alabd> or buying these http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6602_7-5020356-1.html?v
Oct 15 12:09:22 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9b39f6225838 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/ (commandqueue.vala parser.vala): libfsotransport: parser: add generic LineByLineParser for simple protocols
Oct 15 12:13:49 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb12fd1ea0f1f 10/fsogpsd/src/ (lib/receiver.vala plugins/receiver_nmea/plugin.vala): fsogpsd: receiver_nmea is now ready to parse and operate on NMEA datums
Oct 15 12:29:20 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r0822a2d5fcde 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: bind pager_set_style()
Oct 15 12:47:46 <badcloud> am I the only one not thrilled by the wikireader?
Oct 15 12:48:09 <PaulFertser> badcloud: no
Oct 15 12:49:01 <PaulFertser> badcloud: i think if they produced a decent e-book reader with ability to read wikipedia, it'd indeed cool and novel.
Oct 15 12:49:13 <lindi-> badcloud: if the price was $30 it'd be cool to program
Oct 15 12:50:02 <badcloud> I just think the possibilities with a cell phone are endless because virtually *everyone* has one
Oct 15 12:50:20 <lindi-> badcloud: i think the choice of not using linux was good, they should have built openmoko also with only microcontroller and no linux
Oct 15 12:50:44 <lindi-> badcloud: (to keep things simple, cheap, reliable and to consume less power)
Oct 15 12:51:37 <badcloud> sounds logical
Oct 15 12:52:10 <badcloud> it just seems like wikireader is there to "pay the bills"
Oct 15 12:52:25 <badcloud> it seems like a step in the wrong direction, development-wise
Oct 15 12:53:43 <badcloud> I have always thought of Sean as a visionary, from the way he talks and obviously what he says
Oct 15 12:54:24 <dcordes_> nobody will buy wikireader
Oct 15 12:54:46 <badcloud> I just don't get his motives. it seems like such a sellout
Oct 15 12:54:55 <dcordes_> everybody has a smartphone with internets. why would anybody want a wikireader?
Oct 15 12:55:12 <badcloud> I think nerdy rich kids will have their parents buy it for them
Oct 15 12:55:23 <dcordes_> I don't think so
Oct 15 12:56:02 <dcordes_> not even if apple would sell iWikireader
Oct 15 12:56:07 <PaulFertser> dcordes_: in fact i do not have 24h net access. And gprs is slow and cubersome anyway. I'm likely to postpone wikipedia reading if i'm on a road till i get home.
Oct 15 12:56:29 <badcloud> I'm with you guys
Oct 15 12:57:04 <badcloud> when has anyone been away from the internet thinking "I *need* to know the etymology of the word marriage"?
Oct 15 12:57:10 <PaulFertser> dcordes_: and btw i didn't have a smartphone before buying gta02 which is hardly usable anyway.
Oct 15 12:57:59 <badcloud> true
Oct 15 12:58:12 <badcloud> I'm still missing calls with shr-u latest because of the damn touchscreen
Oct 15 12:58:23 <dcordes_> badcloud, that example is nice :)
Oct 15 12:58:42 <badcloud> dcordes_, which example?
Oct 15 12:58:56 <dcordes_> the when has anyone been away from the internet thinking "I *need* to know the etymology of the word marriage"? one
Oct 15 12:58:58 <PaulFertser> badcloud: i do not exactly miss call but for gprs i sometimes have to restart frameworkd+muxer.
Oct 15 12:59:04 <badcloud> oh, thanks *blush*
Oct 15 12:59:44 <badcloud> I also don't get number-->contact recognition for incoming calls/sms/phonelog
Oct 15 13:01:37 <badcloud> oh well, it's like the Cohen bros
Oct 15 13:01:48 <badcloud> sometimes they make art flics
Oct 15 13:02:01 <badcloud> and sometimes they make shit with George Clooney to pay the bills
Oct 15 14:32:51 <beer> evening
Oct 15 14:58:25 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0205dcbb6b91 10/fsogsmd/src/ (lib/atparser.vala plugins/dbus_service/plugin.vala): fsogsmd: add skeleton for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call interface
Oct 15 15:07:48 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6b32307184bf 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (Makefile.am atcall.vala modem.vala): fsogsmd: add skeleton for call handlers
Oct 15 16:31:36 <DocScrutinizer> raster: ( tho they have removed the preorder option) http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=6958534&section_id=912&culture=de-DE
Oct 15 17:23:10 <Defiant-> hmm. Now I finally know which app I'm missing on the freerunner from the beginning: http://www.bigclock.de/#screenshots
Oct 15 17:27:31 <slaxxer> so have u built it yet?
Oct 15 17:28:01 <slaxxer> put it on   the applications page for us
Oct 15 17:28:24 <slaxxer> i like the black/grey  setup
Oct 15 17:29:14 <slaxxer> i wish i had shr-u with a black keyboard  with  white letters
Oct 15 17:29:29 <slaxxer> is there a theme like that
Oct 15 17:34:03 <Defiant-> slaxxer: this is a palm app
Oct 15 17:34:43 <Defiant-> slaxxer: But I intend to launch qtdesigner later this day
Oct 15 17:44:36 <slaxxer> will this be a clock app?
Oct 15 17:44:53 <slaxxer> designer for?
Oct 15 17:45:04 <lindi-> Defiant-: what's wrong with xclock? ;)
Oct 15 17:45:44 <slaxxer> is xclock on opkg?
Oct 15 17:45:58 <slaxxer> or the applications page?
Oct 15 17:46:18 <lindi-> slaxxer: no idea, xclock is a standard tool that is ages old
Oct 15 17:46:27 <slaxxer> i know
Oct 15 17:46:46 <slaxxer> an it still works well
Oct 15 17:47:19 <Defiant-> lindi-: Never liked xclock
Oct 15 17:47:51 <lindi-> Defiant-: why?
Oct 15 17:48:00 <slaxxer> not enough eye candy?
Oct 15 17:48:44 <slaxxer> no places to hide  bloat
Oct 15 17:48:44 <slaxxer> ?
Oct 15 17:49:47 <slaxxer> lindi   i have debian on my sdcard   but the gsm   fails
Oct 15 17:50:09 <slaxxer>       what can i do to fix it>?
Oct 15 17:50:21 <lindi-> enable logging, debug
Oct 15 17:51:16 <slaxxer> i guess its not a known problem lately?
Oct 15 17:51:25 <slaxxer> su
Oct 15 17:54:09 <slaxxer> :)
Oct 15 17:54:58 <Defiant-> lindi-: well I like the "big hour,minute", big day of month, but small rest
Oct 15 18:22:46 <PBeck> hi
Oct 15 18:27:43 <badcloud> hey there, PBeck
Oct 15 18:37:13 <keinanz> /nick
Oct 15 22:04:21 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r894c29a34f8c 10/fsogsmd/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: first bits of generic callhandler infrastructure
Oct 15 22:07:19 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3c517925c2a9 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/dbus_service/plugin.vala: fsogsmd: remove duplicated signal declarations which are now invalid in Vala
Oct 15 22:35:51 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r506356428e53 10/fsodeviced/ (9 files in 4 dirs): fsodeviced: use libfsoresource instead of own stuff; catch up with recent Vala sanity checks
Oct 15 22:39:37 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1c574f327f34 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/types.vala: libfsobasics: fix types namespace and add Pair<T1,T2>
Oct 15 22:39:38 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd921d41bb708 10/fsousaged/ (8 files in 4 dirs): 
Oct 15 22:39:38 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: rename controller to dbus_service.
Oct 15 22:39:38 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Sorry folks, but you need to adjust your configuration.
Oct 15 23:08:18 <slaxxer> i have the 101209 shr-u from mrmoku
Oct 15 23:09:51 <joerg_42> my condolations ;-)
Oct 15 23:13:45 <KenYoung> joerg_42, What's wrong with 101209 shr-u from mrmoku?
Oct 15 23:16:08 <joerg_42> dunno, but you can read ~20 scary reports every day, from the devs
Oct 15 23:17:06 <KenYoung> Yeah, I've got an SHR setup that works pretty well, and I've been too frightened to upgrade it for months.
Oct 15 23:17:48 <joerg_42> as long as they don't manage to merge that shit into unstable at least (not to mention the long-pending testing image), I won't give that a try (as KenYoung suggests)
Oct 15 23:18:13 <slaxxer> im brave
Oct 15 23:18:30 <joerg_42> KenYoung: the german nokia site still says 10/30
Oct 15 23:18:53 <joerg_42> slaxxer: nah, you probably don't need a phone
Oct 15 23:19:06 <slaxxer> are u done with the moko?
Oct 15 23:19:21 <joerg_42> slaxxer: almost
Oct 15 23:19:31 <KenYoung> joerg_42, Well, It's *possible* I can live that long without it, but if it slips into November, I'll probably climb up into a clock tower and start sniping.
Oct 15 23:19:37 <joerg_42> as it doesn't progress at all
Oct 15 23:19:58 <joerg_42> KenYoung: same here
Oct 15 23:19:59 <SpeedEvil> KenYoung: the uk nokia site says 'probably november'
Oct 15 23:20:51 <slaxxer> i can  make a call
Oct 15 23:21:14 <joerg_42> SpeedEvil: that sounds quite equal as "probably 10/30"
Oct 15 23:21:16 <slaxxer> not buzzing at the moment
Oct 15 23:22:13 <slaxxer> i want to see another shr testing since SHR stands forStable Hybrid release
Oct 15 23:22:26 <joerg_42> slaxxer: if I dial a number and it's busy, it takes me >60sec to "redial"
Oct 15 23:23:43 <joerg_42> but obviously migration to xorg is more exciting to devs than streamlining the basic apps
Oct 15 23:25:07 <joerg_42> the suggested feature freeze for a testing image also never seems to take place
Oct 15 23:26:32 <slaxxer> nobodys phonr rings busy here
Oct 15 23:26:39 <slaxxer> *e
Oct 15 23:44:37 <joerg_42> slaxxer: either I didn't get it - or I didn't get it.
Oct 15 23:45:56 <joerg_42> if that's been a pun, then sorry. otherwise... of corse the phone does not ring when I try to call someone and I get busy signal
Oct 16 02:17:35 <slaxxer> im sorry jeorg,, i meant that  my phone is working
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