**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 16 02:59:57 2009
Oct 16 03:05:27 <slaxxer> that wikireader  makes an ebook reader also?
Oct 16 03:11:14 <ndnihil> not by default
Oct 16 03:11:33 <ndnihil> stick your own dataset in it and it should suffice
Oct 16 03:32:56 <slaxxer> is a tomtom hackable?
Oct 16 03:42:45 <ndnihil> haven't poked at it much
Oct 16 03:42:56 <ndnihil> did verify that the tomtom mapping wont run on the gta02 though
Oct 16 04:07:24 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03werner * r5693 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/lib/meter.py: 
Oct 16 04:07:24 <CIA-44> openmoko: - lib/meter.py: added front/rear and scanner channel selection for Picotest
Oct 16 04:07:24 <CIA-44> openmoko:  M3500A
Oct 16 06:55:06 <beer> morning
Oct 16 09:46:44 <ftn> Hi there. Is it possible to not have my phone profile reseted to default whenever I restart the Fr? pls
Oct 16 09:57:08 <peppino55> hi
Oct 16 10:08:21 <DocScrutinizer-8> ftn: ask dos1 when he gets online. There probably should be a mdbus call to shr-settings that changes profile settings, you could call that somewhere in xsession init 
Oct 16 10:08:50 <DocScrutinizer-8> ftn: if you are on SHR anyway
Oct 16 10:09:04 <ftn> sure, Thanks!
Oct 16 10:27:39 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2d2d9aa56d8d 10/libfsotransport/ (fsotransport/commandqueue.vala tests/testcommandqueue.vala): 
Oct 16 10:27:39 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: libfsotransport: revert using a generic argument as CommandQueue command,
Oct 16 10:27:39 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: we require commands to be derived from CommandQueueCommand instead.
Oct 16 10:44:09 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf6e8dbc7958f 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/commandqueue.vala: libfsotransport: slight interface signature change
Oct 16 10:44:45 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf8f2047234c4 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (5 files): fsogsmd: catch up with changes in libfsotransport
Oct 16 10:51:00 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re3b11ed48264 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/commandqueue.vala: libfsotransport: commandqueue: ask commandqueuecommand for prefix/postfix/is_valid_prefix
Oct 16 14:12:39 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r06ab116b6445 10/fsogsmd/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.ListCalls() done
Oct 16 14:39:35 <thegreen4me> is there an svg editor in the shr repositories?
Oct 16 14:44:20 <Sharwin_F>  via urbana y travesia
Oct 16 15:30:00 <PBeck> hi
Oct 16 15:36:46 <brian_> how
Oct 16 15:38:53 <brian_> hackable1 worked for a day
Oct 16 15:38:55 <TeLLuS> hi
Oct 16 15:39:25 <brian_> now i cant recieve a call
Oct 16 15:39:39 <brian_> might be at&t though
Oct 16 15:45:25 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r22225488aea4 10/fsogsmd/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: more callhandler work
Oct 16 15:48:19 <brian_> might be at&t though
Oct 16 15:48:46 <brian_> is therte a reason that duke3D   an doom   dont work?
Oct 16 15:49:07 <brian_> ?
Oct 16 16:24:25 <Tanuva> where does shr's today screen get it's missed calls count from and how can I reset that?
Oct 16 16:25:21 <johnsu01> I really wish clicking on that notifier opened the messages app for incoming messages 
Oct 16 16:25:43 <johnsu01> (also that new messages appeared without having to close and re-open messages)
Oct 16 16:28:47 <Tanuva> I really wish shr-today would show that there actually is a new sms and not the notifier I can only see when unlocking the screen (= closing shr-today)
Oct 16 16:29:33 <Tanuva> shr's wiki doesn't have a page about shr-today, some docs around here?
Oct 16 16:31:08 <tschaka> Tanuva i guess shr today will be able to do this as soon as opimd is implemented
Oct 16 16:31:40 <Tanuva> hmm... so I need to buy some chocolate for the opimd guys :)
Oct 16 16:41:54 <DocScrutinizer-8> opimd *is* implemented (though really needs major rework)
Oct 16 17:07:21 <tschaka> DocScrutinizer but it isnt in the latest shr unstable, i guess, right? i am sure tanuva was reffering to this. :)
Oct 16 17:20:23 <Tanuva> tschaka: yep,I was. btw, any status update about shr feed updates?
Oct 16 17:21:55 <DocScrutinizer-8> tschaka: opkg update; opkg install opimd-utils
Oct 16 17:26:08 <Tanuva> I'm getting loads of "opkg: fork failed" while installing opimd-utils...
Oct 16 17:31:21 <UndrWater> Tanuva: recent flash?
Oct 16 17:31:25 <DocScrutinizer-8> missing ram, check wiki - stop processes (like X) or add swap
Oct 16 17:32:02 <Tanuva> ah, okay
Oct 16 17:32:02 <UndrWater> missing ram...how often does that happen?
Oct 16 19:09:11 <thrashold> Fuck me.
Oct 16 19:09:13 <thrashold> It sucks when your desktop PC has slower HD access than your FreeRunner
Oct 16 19:09:18 <thrashold> My RAID is currently resyncing with 300 KB/s
Oct 16 19:09:29 <thrashold> And my IRC client took 7 minutes to start :(
Oct 16 19:57:37 <Think-Free> Hi !
Oct 16 19:58:18 <Zorkman> llo
Oct 16 19:58:34 <Think-Free> I can find the persistent file for the gps .. I have to delete it
Oct 16 19:58:41 <Think-Free> Any ideas ?
Oct 16 19:59:02 <PaulFertser> Think-Free: uhm? Delete it?
Oct 16 19:59:21 <Zorkman> Think-Free free: what do you mean and what distro are you using?
Oct 16 19:59:31 <Think-Free> yes, the file with persitant position
Oct 16 19:59:36 <Think-Free> debian
Oct 16 19:59:53 <PaulFertser> Think-Free: so? You have to delete it, you delete it, what's the problem?
Oct 16 20:00:22 <Think-Free> I can get a fix anymore, I've not used the gps for one month
Oct 16 20:00:40 <Think-Free> No, I've not deleted it
Oct 16 20:00:50 <Think-Free> I can't find it >_<
Oct 16 20:01:02 <PaulFertser> < Think-Free> I can find the persistent file
Oct 16 20:01:18 <Think-Free> sorry, *can't
Oct 16 20:01:58 <PaulFertser> Think-Free: /etc/freesmartphone/persist/ogpsd.pickle
Oct 16 20:02:11 <Think-Free> Thanks ;)
Oct 16 20:03:19 <PaulFertser> Think-Free: if you haven't turned on it for a month, the stale data shouldn't have any ill effect on getting a fix. In theory.
Oct 16 20:03:23 <Think-Free> I've not the folder 'persist' :/
Oct 16 20:03:38 <Think-Free> Sure ?
Oct 16 20:03:50 <PaulFertser> Think-Free: i do have that folder and that file
Oct 16 20:03:53 <Think-Free> Well, so I wonder why I can't
Oct 16 20:05:03 <Think-Free> I left it switched on for about an hour and I've got any fix
Oct 16 20:06:42 <Think-Free> PaulFertser : Thanks, I'll look at it !
Oct 16 20:06:54 <PaulFertser> Think-Free: welcome
Oct 16 20:07:11 <PaulFertser> Think-Free: probably your reception conditions are suboptimal.
Oct 16 20:07:32 <PaulFertser> Think-Free: you better try it outside
Oct 16 20:08:10 <Think-Free> I was outside :/
Oct 16 20:08:40 <PaulFertser> Think-Free: probably you have a case of "mysterious gps malfunction that cures itself". You can ask dos1 about it.
Oct 16 20:09:26 <dos1> Think-Free: does gps see some satelittes?
Oct 16 20:09:27 <Think-Free> Ok ! Thanks very much !
Oct 16 20:09:35 <Think-Free> no, any
Oct 16 20:09:44 <dos1> Think-Free: i mean "see", no "connect to"
Oct 16 20:09:46 <dos1> Think-Free: so SHR Settings displays something like "0/12"
Oct 16 20:09:56 <dos1> or just "unknown" or "0/0"?
Oct 16 20:10:13 <Think-Free> Tangogps display 0/12
Oct 16 20:10:15 <dos1> if unknown or 0/0, then probably that's problem which i had ;)
Oct 16 20:10:21 <Think-Free> zhone, anythink
Oct 16 20:10:25 <dos1> 0/12 is ok, then you probably have just weak signal
Oct 16 20:11:13 <Think-Free> Well, I'll wait more time ...
Oct 16 20:11:36 <PaulFertser> dos1: if it's 0/0 it looks like fso can't communicate with the gps chip at all, right?
Oct 16 20:11:37 <Think-Free> I'm in the city so with buildings it may cause the weak signal
Oct 16 20:11:54 <dos1> PaulFertser: well, it depends
Oct 16 20:12:04 <PaulFertser> Think-Free: waiting more than 1 hour in the same place not changing anything is impractical i'd say.
Oct 16 20:12:31 <Think-Free> I was walking in the street with the gps turned on ...
Oct 16 20:13:01 <dos1> when walking it can have problems with getting fix
Oct 16 20:14:06 <Think-Free> ok !
Oct 16 20:16:21 <Think-Free> Thanks very much, I'll try it more
Oct 16 20:20:40 <Nebukadneza> heho
Oct 16 20:21:23 <PaulFertser> OMFG i just tried to listen to the music on a FR that is not bass-fixed.
Oct 16 20:21:48 <PaulFertser> It's just unbearable really
Oct 16 20:22:00 <PaulFertser> I can't imagine why people use intone and the like ever.
Oct 16 20:22:42 <PaulFertser> Switch my fixed FR in place and the difference is huge.
Oct 16 20:23:20 <Nebukadneza> what is the distribution / part of moko that one would like to have on a "as stable as possible" neo currently?
Oct 16 20:23:33 <Nebukadneza> i just lend myself a neo from a friend to play with and feel a bit lost ATM
Oct 16 20:23:41 <PaulFertser> Nebukadneza: shr unstable
Oct 16 20:24:09 <Nebukadneza> okay
Oct 16 20:24:52 <Nebukadneza> so for a gta02 i'd need this: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.tar.gz and http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119844+a3587e4ed77974adfb057af261aaeea4022018e8-r3.5-om-gta02.bin
Oct 16 20:24:56 <Nebukadneza> right?
Oct 16 20:26:57 <PaulFertser> Nebukadneza: right
Oct 16 20:27:00 <Nebukadneza> yay :)
Oct 16 20:27:26 <Nebukadneza> is flashing as straight forward as the manual makes it look like?
Oct 16 20:27:37 <PaulFertser> Nebukadneza: it is
Oct 16 20:27:51 <Nebukadneza> nice
Oct 16 20:29:51 <Nebukadneza> oh tbw
Oct 16 20:29:53 <Nebukadneza> *btw
Oct 16 20:30:00 <Nebukadneza> is nand flash or uSD recommended?
Oct 16 20:30:05 <Nebukadneza> (and for what reason)
Oct 16 20:32:14 <PaulFertser> Nebukadneza: i'd flash SHR on NAND to always have it in case my SD is not working.
Oct 16 20:32:28 <Nebukadneza> ok
Oct 16 20:32:34 <PaulFertser> Nebukadneza: but i use debian on SD actually
Oct 16 20:32:50 <Nebukadneza> *g
Oct 16 20:32:54 <PaulFertser> Nebukadneza: and my NAND still has om2007 which i start only to fix some config issues that prevent me from booting sd :)
Oct 16 20:32:54 <Nebukadneza> so to realy be sure:
Oct 16 20:33:25 <Nebukadneza> i'll download the .jffs image and the uImage and simply issue the dfu-util commands on the shr user manual page on my PC to which the freerunner is connected
Oct 16 20:34:19 <PaulFertser> Nebukadneza: during that you should ensure the bootloader is active on the device.
Oct 16 20:34:33 <Nebukadneza> how do i ensure that?
Oct 16 20:34:42 <PaulFertser> Nebukadneza: also take care to not discharge the battery completely, it's problematic to recharge it sometimes.
Oct 16 20:34:43 <Nebukadneza> (and: won't dfu-util not work if its not active?)
Oct 16 20:35:05 <Nebukadneza> sure, as normal for LiIon
Oct 16 20:35:46 <PaulFertser> Nebukadneza: it's not normal that i had to use a lab power supply to actually boot my FR and charge my FR :(
Oct 16 20:38:15 <Nebukadneza> ourghs
Oct 16 20:38:17 <Nebukadneza> right
Oct 16 20:38:22 <Nebukadneza> thats not normal
Oct 16 20:42:44 <Nebukadneza> mhmm
Oct 16 20:43:07 <Nebukadneza> dfu tells me that no DFU capable usb device was found
Oct 16 20:43:54 <Nebukadneza> also the howto lists 0x1d50:0x5119   for the usb dev id, but i have 1457:5122
Oct 16 20:43:59 <Nebukadneza> (not connected via a hub)
Oct 16 20:45:42 <PaulFertser> Nebukadneza: probably you're not in the bootloader then
Oct 16 20:46:11 <Nebukadneza> ah, i need to get into uboot
Oct 16 20:46:21 <Nebukadneza> powerup + holding aux (the button at the top of the phone), right?
Oct 16 20:47:11 <PaulFertser> Nebukadneza: if you hold aux first and then poweron (by whatever means, plugging usb in or pressing power button), you'll get in NOR u-boot.
Oct 16 20:47:38 <Nebukadneza> ah
Oct 16 20:47:39 <Nebukadneza> kay
Oct 16 20:47:41 <Nebukadneza> i'm there
Oct 16 20:47:42 <PaulFertser> Nebukadneza: and it's good for uploading images to device but can't download from device (not useful anyway).
Oct 16 20:48:14 <Nebukadneza> mhmmm
Oct 16 20:48:19 <Nebukadneza> No such Alternate Setting: "rootfs"
Oct 16 20:48:19 <Nebukadneza> :/
Oct 16 20:49:24 <PaulFertser> Nebukadneza: try again/reboot uboot
Oct 16 20:49:51 <Nebukadneza> ok
Oct 16 20:50:54 <Nebukadneza> ah
Oct 16 20:51:14 <Nebukadneza> http://nopaste.com/p/aVMJ4nEseb
Oct 16 20:51:16 <Nebukadneza> different error
Oct 16 20:57:39 <Nebukadneza> nops
Oct 16 20:57:42 <Nebukadneza> can't get it to flash ;/
Oct 16 20:58:16 <Nebukadneza> i get the -71 error in dmesg too: [76880.318705] usb 7-2: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd dfu-util rqt 33 rq 1 len 4096 ret -71
Oct 16 21:02:07 <Nebukadneza> PaulFertser: no idea? :/
Oct 16 21:06:41 <brian_> try flashing   3 times before giving up
Oct 16 21:07:45 <Nebukadneza> i tried flashing a heck lot more times
Oct 16 21:07:49 <Nebukadneza> always with reboots in between
Oct 16 21:07:55 <Nebukadneza> or shall i leave out the reboots?
Oct 16 21:09:45 <Nebukadneza> uh
Oct 16 21:09:46 <Nebukadneza> works on my desktop
Oct 16 21:09:49 <Nebukadneza> bad usb cable?
Oct 16 21:11:22 <Nebukadneza> oh btw
Oct 16 21:11:32 <Nebukadneza> what about that qt extended improved?
Oct 16 21:15:21 <brian_> leave out the reboot
Oct 16 21:15:57 <Nebukadneza> well, was a bad usb cable, seems to flash at first try now
Oct 16 21:16:16 <brian_>    it was just a charge cable prollty
Oct 16 21:16:31 <brian_> 2 wires instead of 4
Oct 16 21:17:15 <brian_> i used the 172 meg hackable1 today
Oct 16 21:17:26 <brian_> too huge
Oct 16 21:17:39 <brian_> then gsm quit working
Oct 16 21:18:00 <brian_> using mrmoku latest image now
Oct 16 21:19:18 <linuxxr> is it shr?
Oct 16 21:19:29 <linuxxr> debian?
Oct 16 21:20:36 <linuxxr> if shr be sure to reboot after getting booted the first time sos usb-networking will work
Oct 16 21:21:12 <Nebukadneza> 172meg hackable1?
Oct 16 21:21:25 <linuxxr> its big
Oct 16 21:21:36 <linuxxr> too big
Oct 16 21:21:51 <Nebukadneza> and ... what is it?
Oct 16 21:22:06 <Nebukadneza> i mean
Oct 16 21:22:21 <linuxxr> http://download.hackable1.org/
Oct 16 21:22:22 <Nebukadneza> simply another moko image with like ... support for basic things like phoning?
Oct 16 21:22:26 <linuxxr> debian
Oct 16 21:22:38 <linuxxr> yup
Oct 16 21:22:57 <Nebukadneza> okay
Oct 16 21:23:00 <Nebukadneza> hows the usability?
Oct 16 21:23:08 <linuxxr> i suggest shr
Oct 16 21:23:20 <Nebukadneza> oh, ok
Oct 16 21:23:39 <Nebukadneza> and that mrmoku?
Oct 16 21:23:51 <Nebukadneza> any better than shr? (Oo not having run shr yet)
Oct 16 21:23:59 <linuxxr> hackable1 looks similar to 2007.2
Oct 16 21:24:11 <linuxxr> no
Oct 16 21:24:17 <linuxxr>   it is shr also
Oct 16 21:24:26 <Nebukadneza> ah
Oct 16 21:24:28 <Nebukadneza> whats the difference?
Oct 16 21:24:47 <linuxxr> 4-5 days shr will have a new image for us
Oct 16 21:25:27 <linuxxr> mrmoku  made some newer images  but they    may not work
Oct 16 21:25:38 <linuxxr> they were shr also
Oct 16 21:25:57 <Nebukadneza> so mrmoku are just "trunk" images of shr?
Oct 16 21:26:13 <linuxxr> http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/
Oct 16 21:27:34 <linuxxr> they have a newer date
Oct 16 21:28:02 <Zorkman> linuxxr: the mrmoku images are experimental
Oct 16 21:28:10 <Zorkman> there is a lot of xorg stuff going on
Oct 16 21:28:21 <Zorkman> and they want to get it all right before syncing the unstable branch
Oct 16 21:28:32 <Zorkman> you can aks mrmoku himself in #openmoko-cdevel
Oct 16 21:29:18 <linuxxr> so we figure 12212010?
Oct 16 21:29:20 <Nebukadneza> :)
Oct 16 21:29:29 <Nebukadneza> its nice to see development for moko going on
Oct 16 21:30:01 <linuxxr> i used 1 for 1 day
Oct 16 21:30:44 <linuxxr> im on my second freerunner
Oct 16 21:31:36 <linuxxr> i had it in my pocket while working  an hit it with a branch an cracked the screen
Oct 16 21:31:50 <linuxxr> so i replaced the screen
Oct 16 21:32:17 <linuxxr> with a defective freerunner i bought for 75 bucks
Oct 16 21:34:29 <SpeedEvil> what was wrong with the brokenmoko?
Oct 16 21:34:49 <linuxxr> the replacement?
Oct 16 21:34:54 <linuxxr> gps
Oct 16 21:35:11 <SpeedEvil> ah
Oct 16 21:35:21 <linuxxr> i think it is the antennae module i think
Oct 16 21:35:30 <Nebukadneza> mh
Oct 16 21:36:02 <Nebukadneza> can't press the next button on hte select application menu
Oct 16 21:36:07 <Nebukadneza> (system default is entered there)
Oct 16 21:36:24 <linuxxr> select an option first
Oct 16 21:36:29 <Nebukadneza> did
Oct 16 21:36:45 <linuxxr> press for 2 seconds
Oct 16 21:37:13 <linuxxr> no?
Oct 16 21:37:16 <Nebukadneza> no
Oct 16 21:37:19 <linuxxr> hmm
Oct 16 21:37:48 <linuxxr> i know it dont sound good   but reboot
Oct 16 21:37:57 <Nebukadneza> doing that
Oct 16 21:38:15 <linuxxr> which shr did u use?
Oct 16 21:38:26 <linuxxr> 0906?
Oct 16 21:38:37 <linuxxr> shr-unstable?
Oct 16 21:38:37 <Nebukadneza> Prof. Brinkschulte leitet den Forschungsbereich "Mikrorechnertechnologien für die Automatisierung" am Institut für Prozessrechentechnik, Automation und Robotik der Universität Karlsruhe. Sein Arbeitsschwerpunkt liegt im Bereich Middleware für verteilte eingebettete Echtzeitsysteme, sowie Hard- und Software für rekonfigurierbare, verteilte Systeme. Er ist Mitinitiator der "Organic Computing Initiative" (O
Oct 16 21:38:44 <Nebukadneza> waaa
Oct 16 21:38:45 <linuxxr> :)
Oct 16 21:38:46 <Nebukadneza> sorry
Oct 16 21:38:49 <Nebukadneza> wrong paste
Oct 16 21:38:54 <Nebukadneza> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2   and http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119844+a3587e4ed77974adfb057af261aaeea4022018e8-r3.5-om-gta02.bin
Oct 16 21:39:28 <SeligArkin> Red flashy AUX = kernel panic, yes?
Oct 16 21:39:37 <linuxxr> yup
Oct 16 21:39:45 <SeligArkin> Hmm, wonder what caused the panic
Oct 16 21:39:58 <linuxxr> openmocow?/
Oct 16 21:40:14 <linuxxr> i dont know
Oct 16 21:40:27 <linuxxr> i reboot once a day
Oct 16 21:40:32 <Nebukadneza> ah
Oct 16 21:40:35 <Nebukadneza> works now
Oct 16 21:40:40 <linuxxr> yup
Oct 16 21:41:01 <linuxxr> gsm takes about 1 minute
Oct 16 21:41:22 <linuxxr>  what desktop  do u use?
Oct 16 21:41:36 <linuxxr> gentoo ubuntu, debian?
Oct 16 23:23:38 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r91e18e31adad 10/fsogsmd/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: more work on callhandler
Oct 17 01:36:57 <slaxxer> apt-get upgrade working?
Oct 17 01:37:03 <slaxxer> lindi?
Oct 17 01:37:17 <slaxxer> i want to install Doom
Oct 17 02:41:28 <slaxxer> better let go of thhat beer can  cause its gonna hurt your wittle heads
Oct 17 02:50:42 <luke-jr> does GTA01 have all the problems I hear GTA02 has? if not, is it still available for purchase?
Oct 17 02:55:04 <mwester> The GTA01 has some of the same problems, but mostly it has its own wonderful unique set of problems.  :) 
Oct 17 02:55:28 <mwester> And it's not available for purchase -- except perhaps on eBay.
Oct 17 02:58:27 <slaxxer> if u can find an A7  it prolly be best
Oct 17 02:59:11 <luke-jr> slaxxer: I hear even the A7 has major issues
Oct 17 02:59:32 <KenYoung> The GTA01 does have better graphics performance than the GTA02, at least.
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