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Oct 21 04:52:32 <BillK> anyone know where I find some pics of the shr niebie theme?
Oct 21 05:59:10 * raster scrutinizes DocScrutinizer-8 
Oct 21 06:03:48 <slaxxer> http://scap.linuxtogo.org
Oct 21 06:04:19 <slaxxer> google man
Oct 21 06:05:46 <raster> ?
Oct 21 06:05:53 <raster> oooh
Oct 21 06:05:59 <raster> respondig to BillK 
Oct 21 06:14:15 <zeroedout> does anyone know where instructions are to open the freerunner up? 
Oct 21 06:14:32 <zeroedout> i've searched the wiki and nabble couldn't find anything :(
Oct 21 06:22:04 <DocScrutinizer-8> zeroedout: wiki; disassembling-Neo1973 
Oct 21 06:25:38 <DocScrutinizer-8> raster: moin
Oct 21 06:26:28 <raster> DocScrutinizer-8:  boo
Oct 21 07:18:19 <beer> morning
Oct 21 07:18:45 <tomcatek> morning
Oct 21 07:32:05 <Psi> are there any mapping apps that work under shr that use openstreetmap data?
Oct 21 07:35:00 <Heinervdm> tangogps?
Oct 21 07:35:13 <Psi> oh, didnt know that used openstreatmap
Oct 21 07:48:04 <Psi> right, time to get gta01 running on this new sd card, 512mb isnt going to be enough to store the map data i want
Oct 21 07:55:33 <dns53> depends on what country you are from
Oct 21 07:57:22 <Psi> was showing whole of Auckland (NZ's biggest city) and it was saying it would need 400MB to download everything down to lowest zoom level
Oct 21 08:06:16 <Defiant-> Psi: You probably don't need the lowest levels
Oct 21 08:06:33 <Psi> what sort of extra data do they provide?
Oct 21 08:07:26 <Defiant-> some streets here are not visible on the higher levels thats all I found.
Oct 21 08:07:47 <Defiant-> just check for yourself how many levels you need
Oct 21 08:07:54 <Psi> good idea
Oct 21 08:08:10 <Psi> do you know how to search for a streetname in tangogps
Oct 21 08:08:14 <Psi> i couldnt find the option
Oct 21 08:08:30 <Defiant-> don't think tangogps can do that. That would be a job for navit
Oct 21 08:09:49 <Psi> seems like a pretty fundamental feature of any mapping app
Oct 21 08:12:12 <Psi> does navit use openstreetmap data?
Oct 21 08:13:06 <Defiant-> yes
Oct 21 08:13:28 <Psi> will have a play with that too then :)
Oct 21 08:40:17 <Psi> can uboot read a uimage off a 2gb ext3 partition?
Oct 21 08:40:43 <Psi> uboot-1.3.2-moko12
Oct 21 09:18:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> Psi: afaik depends on inode size of ext2/3. uBoot can handle 128 only. mkfs.ext3 uses 256 by default. All this from memory, so no guarantees ;-)
Oct 21 09:18:58 <Psi> yeah, gave up and using a seperate parition instead
Oct 21 09:20:46 <DocScrutinizer-8> (alsao afaik) that's default uboot env config anyway, for bootmenu entry "boot from uSD (ext2)"
Oct 21 09:21:46 <DocScrutinizer-8> same here: vfat for uimage.bin, ext3 for rootfs
Oct 21 09:22:06 <Psi> yeah, i bricked my gta01 and had to restore all that, now it only has a few options i added back in 
Oct 21 09:23:49 <DocScrutinizer-8> my vfat partition is 15GB atm, for using the card in a usb-stick, to transfer data to/from windoof ;-)
Oct 21 09:24:46 <DocScrutinizer-8> (never actually ued that feature yet :-P )
Oct 21 09:26:02 <Psi> using a 16GB card?
Oct 21 09:32:18 <tig|> has there not been a new build of SHR for a long time now or am I looking in the wrong place?  Last one I saw was Sep 6th?
Oct 21 09:32:40 <Psi> afaik your correct
Oct 21 09:32:46 <Psi> hasnt been a new build in a while
Oct 21 09:33:30 <Psi> *you're
Oct 21 09:33:58 <tig|> odd, have they had buildhost problems and been working on code instead ?
Oct 21 09:34:35 <Psi> not sure
Oct 21 09:36:53 <DocScrutinizer> there's major changes pending
Oct 21 09:37:24 <DocScrutinizer> so seems they can't merge back to shr-u
Oct 21 09:38:17 <DocScrutinizer> currently development happens in http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02
Oct 21 09:38:36 <DocScrutinizer> but that seems to be hyper-unstable
Oct 21 09:38:41 <DocScrutinizer> yet
Oct 21 09:41:30 <tig|> thanks DocScrutinizer
Oct 21 09:48:03 <Psi> well ive told tangogps to grab the map data i want and it appears to be atleast, downloading something :)
Oct 21 09:49:50 <dns53> if you need to  get maps for tangogps download it on your pc, it's going to be faster
Oct 21 09:50:24 <dns53> there is also the other 2 renderings of openstreetmap to get 
Oct 21 09:51:24 <Psi> sounds complex
Oct 21 09:51:33 <Kamping_Kaiser> dns53: hey mate
Oct 21 09:51:42 <dns53> hey
Oct 21 09:52:25 <dns53> it's just a matter of entering a different url for openstreetmap, i have some scripts to download it again for the other 2 renders if you want
Oct 21 09:52:56 <SpeedEvil> However - download too uch, and you can get banned
Oct 21 09:53:07 <SpeedEvil> Try not to be silly.
Oct 21 09:54:10 <Psi> where does tangogps put its data?
Oct 21 09:54:23 <Psi> all i can find is /Maps/OSM and thats pngs, not map data
Oct 21 09:54:35 <Kamping_Kaiser> tango uses tiles
Oct 21 09:54:50 <dns53> if you want vector use navit
Oct 21 09:55:06 <Psi> thanks
Oct 21 09:56:14 <dns53> for maps for navit use cloudmade.com
Oct 21 09:56:59 <Psi> ok
Oct 21 10:05:31 <lindi-> Psi: downloading large number of map tiles is quite discouraged
Oct 21 10:06:38 <Psi> not like there is much choice on a non 3G phone
Oct 21 10:07:38 <lindi-> Psi: you can generate the tiles on your PC
Oct 21 10:07:52 <Psi> interesting
Oct 21 10:08:43 <lindi-> Psi: using the openstreetmap.org bandwidth that is paid by donations is not very nice if you attempt to download large areas
Oct 21 10:09:06 <Psi> what do you define as large?
Oct 21 10:09:31 <lindi-> Psi: well 20 megabytes?
Oct 21 10:09:45 <Kamping_Kaiser> so 2 layers :/
Oct 21 10:09:53 <lindi-> each tile is also a very small file so it'll generate a lot of load
Oct 21 10:10:12 <Psi> im only getting 3KB/s
Oct 21 10:10:17 <lindi-> which is again handled by cpu's paid by donations :)
Oct 21 10:10:23 <lindi-> s/cpu's/cpus/
Oct 21 10:10:24 <apt> lindi- meant: which is again handled by cpus paid by donations :)
Oct 21 10:10:46 <Kamping_Kaiser> s/paid/paid for/;)
Oct 21 10:12:58 <Psi> stopped the download, will have a look at navit
Oct 21 10:13:23 <lindi-> anyways, imho those tile*.openstreetmap.org servers should be reserved for interactive use and others should generate their maps locally
Oct 21 10:14:07 <lindi-> it only took me about four hours to setup last time i needed to generate my own map :)
Oct 21 10:21:58 <dns53> lindi- what did you need to do? i've got the planet downloaded what software do i need?
Oct 21 10:24:20 <dns53> Psi   i use the daily navit build, add this to your opkg sources:     src navit http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn
Oct 21 10:25:41 <Psi> yep, but got a gtk+-fastscaling dependency on that
Oct 21 10:26:29 <lindi-> dns53: i only downloaded finland.osm and used osmosis to select the area that I really needed
Oct 21 10:27:05 <lindi-> dns53: so only about 60M of downloading plus apt-get install osmosis mapnik osm2pgsql ...
Oct 21 10:31:20 <lindi-> dns53: oh and don't forget apt-get install osm2navit for creating navit files from those
Oct 21 10:33:24 <dns53> cool
Oct 21 13:58:27 <alessandro> hi
Oct 21 13:59:07 <alessandro> list
Oct 21 14:07:47 <slaxxer> maybe shr will soon have an updated rootfs
Oct 21 14:07:53 <slaxxer> {_
Oct 21 15:05:00 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03werner * r5699 10/trunk/eda/fped/gui_inst.c: 
Oct 21 15:05:00 <CIA-44> openmoko: - gui_inst.c (gui_draw_rpad): when drawing an outline instead of filling, use
Oct 21 15:05:00 <CIA-44> openmoko:  two lines instead of a rectangle
Oct 21 15:54:44 <PBeck> hi
Oct 21 15:58:46 <d1b> hi
Oct 21 16:10:09 <MattCampbell> Can the FreeRunner run Android 1.6 (Donut) yet?
Oct 21 16:11:32 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc9c0a9847a0d 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/basetransport.vala: libfsotransport: set watches to 0 if removing them
Oct 21 16:11:33 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re4e651b4239c 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/basetransport.vala: libfsotransport: basetransport: move some methods into the private API
Oct 21 16:11:34 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd6c91156e0b2 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/ (basetransport.vala transport.vala): libfsoframework: add writeAndRead to transport interface. implementation pending.
Oct 21 16:19:22 <\3TATUK> Hello..
Oct 21 16:19:56 <\3TATUK> Does the Freerunner's GPS work 'anywhere' (not only within 802.11 range)?
Oct 21 16:20:34 <\3TATUK> The main two reasons I'd get a freerunner is if it works with my t-mobile SIM card and has 'universal' GPS (without additional cost) ;]
Oct 21 16:20:56 <\3TATUK> any insight appriciated
Oct 21 16:21:44 <SpeedEvil> yes
Oct 21 16:21:58 <SpeedEvil> you don't need a network
Oct 21 16:22:33 <\3TATUK> terrific
Oct 21 16:22:45 <mwester> (of course, you need to download the map tiles, or all you'll get is the lat/long position...)
Oct 21 16:23:00 <\3TATUK> i mean 3G type stuff is a plus.. like a browser for wikipedia maybe IRC, etc
Oct 21 16:23:11 <\3TATUK> didn't spend too much time looking at freerunner feature lists
Oct 21 16:23:13 <\3TATUK> hah
Oct 21 16:24:28 <\3TATUK> but you'd say it's a reliable phone? (for anyone with person experience)
Oct 21 16:24:39 <\3TATUK> personal
Oct 21 16:24:50 <SpeedEvil> I have in the past used my neo1973 as my only phone.
Oct 21 16:24:58 <SpeedEvil> There are currently people here that are using it as their current phone.
Oct 21 16:25:33 <\3TATUK> GPS is the major lack in my current device .. i need driving directions occationally
Oct 21 16:25:43 <SpeedEvil> That's a slight problem.
Oct 21 16:25:54 <SpeedEvil> There is no driving directions package that works well.
Oct 21 16:25:58 <\3TATUK> those gps car mounts are cool but i dont want a separate electronic
Oct 21 16:26:01 <SpeedEvil> tangogps is a moving map thingy
Oct 21 16:26:07 <SpeedEvil> Where ar eyou?
Oct 21 16:26:19 <\3TATUK> near chicago
Oct 21 16:26:38 <\3TATUK> i mean even something where i can get directions without realtime updating is better than nothing
Oct 21 16:27:52 <\3TATUK> what, you want the geographic of my specific neighbourhood? :p
Oct 21 16:28:06 <SpeedEvil> The USA has moderately OK coverage for moving maps.
Oct 21 16:28:06 <\3TATUK> let's just say .. it's crowded heh
Oct 21 16:28:21 <SpeedEvil> The routing of some isn't very good.
Oct 21 16:28:47 <SpeedEvil> The openstreetmap data is based off the TIGER dataset from the US government. Whcih can have odd geometrical distortions for neighbourhoods.
Oct 21 16:28:49 <\3TATUK> no access to say google maps? or would that depend on my carrier package
Oct 21 16:29:15 <\3TATUK> i mean getting maps.google.com right on the phone
Oct 21 16:29:34 <SpeedEvil> yes, you can do that
Oct 21 16:29:56 <SpeedEvil> I assume - I haven't actually used a browser on the device.
Oct 21 16:30:07 <SpeedEvil> I'm still using an image >1 year old
Oct 21 16:30:20 <\3TATUK> okay but it's not extremely bare bones?
Oct 21 16:30:31 <\3TATUK> i mean the out-of-box UI is at least decent, i'd assume?
Oct 21 16:30:43 <\3TATUK> touch screen is fun ;D
Oct 21 16:30:46 <SpeedEvil> I don't know what the current state is.
Oct 21 16:30:57 <SpeedEvil> I'd say ask again in a couple of hours when more people might be around
Oct 21 16:31:11 <\3TATUK> eh thanks for input though
Oct 21 16:39:12 <tvmanukrishnan> hi.. I can't flash the neo1973. It always gives error
Oct 21 16:39:51 <tvmanukrishnan> I tried installing a new package and the device is now out of space. the GUI is not loading. what to do?
Oct 21 16:42:39 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rcff3aab330cd 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/basetransport.vala: libfsotransport: implement synchronous, blocking writeAndRead()
Oct 21 16:43:49 <\3TATUK> tvmanukrishnan: research the specific error
Oct 21 16:44:34 <tvmanukrishnan> \3TATUK: Starting download: [######Error during download get_status
Oct 21 16:44:54 <tvmanukrishnan> \3TATUK: and then dfu-util -l shows many devices
Oct 21 16:45:08 <tvmanukrishnan> \3TATUK: like: Found DFU: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=5, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED"
Oct 21 16:45:19 <tvmanukrishnan> Found DFU: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=5, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1, name="UNDEFINED"
Oct 21 16:45:19 <tvmanukrishnan> Found DFU: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=5, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name="UNDEFINED"
Oct 21 16:45:19 <tvmanukrishnan> Found DFU: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=5, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3, name="UNDEFINED"
Oct 21 16:45:19 <tvmanukrishnan> Found DFU: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=5, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=4, name="UNDEFINED"
Oct 21 16:45:19 <tvmanukrishnan> Found DFU: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=5, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5, name="UNDEFINED"
Oct 21 16:45:23 <\3TATUK> i don't have an openmoko phone, good luck
Oct 21 16:56:43 <JRolland> Does anyone know the AT commands to get network connection type?
Oct 21 16:57:17 <JRolland> Or how I can poll the GSM modem for signal strength data when it is in a connected state without disconnecting with "+++" ?
Oct 21 16:57:27 <jonkristian> TAsn: ping
Oct 21 17:02:38 <jokerfox> Hi, I Try to download the qt extended improved from this site but it just hangs. seems that link is down, anyone got another url that works ? http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/snapbuild/
Oct 21 17:03:52 <vanous123> jokerfox: don't want to go for latest qtmoko?
Oct 21 17:04:16 <vanous123> jokerfox: qtmoko.org
Oct 21 17:04:38 <jokerfox> as long as its just dfu dump into tlf. then I could do that :) 
Oct 21 17:05:53 <jokerfox> vanous123: it is built upon qt-extended like improved?
Oct 21 17:06:34 <vanous123> jokerfox: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/
Oct 21 17:06:43 <vanous123> jokerfox: yes
Oct 21 17:06:58 <jokerfox> thanks, ill look into it! :)
Oct 21 17:07:00 <vanous123> jokerfox: just check the website
Oct 21 17:14:22 <JRolland> no love for Polling a modem in a connected state ? Should I be using a debug tty ?
Oct 21 17:15:22 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra4e75c3cfabb 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (5 files): fsogsmd: move AtResponse codes into Constants namespace
Oct 21 17:49:26 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r79d24ae9aed2 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (consts.vala mediator.vala): fsogsmd: translate (some) +CME ERRORs into proper dbus errors
Oct 21 18:10:38 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ra41aec13e589 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): org.freesmartphone.GSM: add new dbus error 'org.freesmartphone.GSM.DeviceRequiresAuthorization'
Oct 21 18:27:19 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r757610166bf0 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): change error name
Oct 21 18:32:03 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * re519bc9eac44 10/src/freesmartphone-gsm.vala: regen
Oct 21 19:15:46 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r560adc497c9b 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/consts.vala: fsogsmd: add full set of known CME and CMS error constants
Oct 21 19:24:36 <slaxxer>  will android let shr run in the nand   can i reinstall shr   after installing android to my microsd i didnt backup\
Oct 21 19:41:37 <mostly_useless> slaxxer: wow.
Oct 21 19:44:03 <PaulFertser> slaxxer: some android versions use incompatible Qi.
Oct 21 20:11:19 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03werner * r5700 10/developers/werner/cncmap/ (README rect/rect.c zscan/ zscan/Makefile zscan/zscan.c): 
Oct 21 20:11:19 <CIA-44> openmoko: - README: explained what all this is about
Oct 21 20:11:19 <CIA-44> openmoko: - README, rect/rect.c: described "normalized" format used by "rect"
Oct 21 20:11:19 <CIA-44> openmoko: - zscan/: new utility - a surface scanner
Oct 21 20:50:29 <slaxxer> whats wow   ?
Oct 21 20:50:41 <slaxxer>   ok i should know this
Oct 21 20:51:51 <slaxxer> i require positive reinforcement occasionally
Oct 21 20:52:17 * SpeedEvil has no idea what it is.
Oct 21 22:08:16 <jokerfox> INFO : RCU detected cpu 0 stalled after installed qtmoko
Oct 21 22:08:42 <spydon> 0_o
Oct 21 22:34:19 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r06ddaa1d309f 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcommand.vala atmediators.vala mediator.vala): fsogsmd: move response checkers out of mediator interface; don't ignore error for reading phonebooks
Oct 21 22:44:11 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r937f877da7e3 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/ (basetransport.vala commandqueue.vala): libfsotransport: silence++
Oct 21 22:51:58 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r16ee4ca011d5 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/ (6 files): libfsotransport: debug output cosmetics
Oct 21 23:08:30 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r51c3bc075ca8 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/consts.vala: fsogsmd: prefer DC instead of LD; support 'unknown' phonebooks on SIM
Oct 21 23:37:40 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3e76bc8100a1 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/logger.vala: libfsobasics: enable colored output for logger 'stderr:colors'
Oct 22 00:00:10 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r15dcc8568ab4 10/fsogsmd/src/ (6 files in 6 dirs): 
Oct 22 00:00:10 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: prepare for channel-specific init sequences; overridable through config
Oct 22 00:00:10 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: (yes, that's for you DocScrutinizer :)
Oct 22 00:29:49 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra2fd97f6daf1 10/fsogsmd/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.{Get|Set}AuthCodeRequired done
Oct 22 00:42:42 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2e25b95c85c2 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcommands.vala atmediators.vala): fsogsmd: add facilities info in GetFeatures()
Oct 22 00:42:57 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r507b5903149f 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/logger.vala: libfsobasics: dim yellow
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